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We're dealing with the same laws, but not the same evidence.

There wasn't much evidence in the Apple case that Apple was explicitly taking action to disadvantage or harm third-parties, and there was even less evidence that Apple utilized their economic power to ensure their dominance.

If anything, the evidence in the Apple case showed that Apple treated all developers with relative parity.

The evidence in Google's case showed that leadership was so paranoid about a third-party store rising to prominence, since the platform technically allowed it, they were constantly wheeling and dealing to suppress competition.

Google essentially wanted to have their cake (side loading is fine! Android is open!) while eating it too (The Play Store dominates).

And they accomplished this by spending a lot of money, and giving certain developers better deals than others, etc.
Not really, if you consider Symbian pre-smartphone OS.
What? Where did I claim that?

You are the one asking if iMessage is “free” (as in beer) software.

It comes with iOS - the license of which is provided free of charge for each user to run on their respective device.

I never made any statement about Beeper - I was talking singularly and only about Apple.
QR codes provide the ability to have a relatively long URL (much longer than can be represented by the equivalent text and still being readable in the same area/space) and offers built in error correction.

The problem isn't URLs, it's misuse of QR codes where just showing a URL would be no more useful.
> short of putting them in jail and when they come out they're just going to be using drugs in public all over again.

The "Seattle is Dying" documentary describes a treatment program called the "MAT Program" (medically assisted treatment) that is used in Rhode Island prisons. They interview several people -- both leaders of the program and former addicts -- who speak positively about it: https://youtu.be/bpAi70WWBlw?si=ZkMQb3tb5P_Ztbvs&t=2645
I think the point is that those are "postal codes", not "ZIP codes."
I really meant before smartphones and the way software works on desktops/laptops.
No more than "Some language -> its native toolchain" already is or isn't.
> I would caveat that agreement with making sure other government policies are not causing undue inelasticity in demand for hydrocarbons that would make a carbon tax not work except for at crippling levels (i.e. North American zoning that basically makes a car a requirement would have to change to drastically increase density and make public transit/cycling/walking a viable alternative).

Define inelasticity?

In many places, and for many purposes, a car is effectively necessary, the distance driven is more or less fixed, and carpooling may not be an option. But there are multiple kinds of cars! EVs can emit very little carbon (and the tax would be built in to electricity pricing), and even among gas cars, there is huge variability in efficiency.

https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/best/bestworstNF.shtml#noEVs

That’s a factor of more than 3 within the midsize class.
I actually don't think we should decriminalize. Just legalize it and let people get pure product at dirt cheap prices.

There's no reason to fund crime (drug dealers/organized crime), maim and kill users, push users into poverty, and generate and push the externalizes of drug use onto the rest of society. This is the choice we have made and continue to make a society under a prohibitionist regime, decriminalization or not.
Google was really a victim of their own success. By making Android an open platform, they increased adoption by smartphone OEMs, but on the flip side it made them liable in this very specific case.
This is a good point. I think it's sort of an implementation detail, but it also implicates how you might design the interface (i.e. with inheritance or not). In any case, thanks for the link.
Downloading an APK from a website is just as easy as installing an exe on windows from some site, and millions of barely tech-literate people do that every day
You will never eliminate severe mental illness. You can, however, create systems that understand human incentives. If you can't even imagine options that don't involve systemic centralized planning, we are so far from moving towards peaceful solutions that my only incentive is to ship the antisocial people to your neighborhood.
Epic already lost the trial in the Apple case. Courts in the US and other countries have treated Google differently as an OS provider to OEMs than Apple as a single vendor.

Would they also make Sony, Nintendo and Microsoft open up their platforms?
Custom elements are supported, but custom attributes on existing elements are not—an asymmetry that the WHATWG proposal I linked to makes note of.
Absolutely fantastic news. Now extend it to Apple.
Thank you for the clarification. Is it used to keep manufacturers from wasting materials?
Here's a thought experiment: think about what you did at work in the last few weeks, but instead of you doing it, someone that doesn't know programming is given those tasks instead. They have state of the art LLMs to help them. How would they do?

In my particular case, they might make some progress on the React component I worked on. I did use ChatGPT myself to get some help with CSS (the part of my current stack that I'm least proficient in). They would make zero progress on our big Java service because it's simply too custom for an LLM to be of much help.

For the database stuff that I also did, it was mainly about reading official docs and testing assumptions and behaviour based on those, something that you would think an LLM would be great at, but the answers I got when I tried weren't really helpful. The issues were too specific to certain versions of dependencies and in some cases, the docs' recommendations were questionable. I then had to convince other devs that my findings were correct and that we could go ahead with the, potentially risky, change.

So no, I don't think programming is dead. Not yet anyway. Who knows what the future might bring.
Why is there this assumption that third party apps are going to be so unsafe?

We already run untrusted executable code in the form of JavaScript.

Why does the android system need to be different? Why can’t we say the OS needs sandboxing, api permissions, etc.

I really don’t want the only thing protecting my phone being the fact that a human sometimes reviews an app.
Does America have to solve it if America destroyed it?
The Era of Easy Money Is Over. That's a Good Thing
> I don't get it, so no company can provide a walled garden

You can provide a walled garden. But that's not Apple does.

Instead, Apple is a mafia that shakes down all the vendors for the right to sell in their semi-open market square.

If Apple iOS were a walled garden, it would have contained only Apple applications.
They also:

- Have extreme penalties for drug offenses.

- Have highly effective surveillance and law enforcement.

I guess we can all find what we want in Singapore: an effective police state winning the war on drugs, or an effective welfare state.
Faust: A functional programming language for audio synthesis and processing
Yes and they get viruses, malware, and ransomware from doing so.

My mom searched for a printer driver and ended up installing some third party crap wars on her computer
Yay, the gigantic mega corp I feel more aligned with won!
On a more serious note, I think that this is broadly a good thing for the consumer. Apple and Google have a monopoly over basically distribution of apps and so the vast majority of people interact with technology most of the time. Having some restrictions on their behaviour and how people can circumvent them being established in the courts is good imo but keen to hear other points of view.
And the fact Epic lost so handily against Apple for the same thing is pretty chilling for the future of open devices. Lock down your platform tight as a drum and you may employ all manners of anticompetitive practices because you legally forbid the existence of competitors and you're "curating your experience" but open yourself up to any competition and your behavior becomes anticompetitive.
I'm in Gen Z and I think I got it. The Tootsie pop commercial with the owl used to play all the time on Canadian TV.
AuroraStore is very close, using a ton of reverse engineered stuff from the play store

It should all totally be open though
I'm not convinced that pharma or bio patents are justified, either.

>Strategically, you don't want those drug people as enemies.

Oh, actually, yes, can we please ream the m*****f*****s already? To talk about a group of people like that, suggests that they wield far too much power. It gets worse when you learn about what they actually do. Enough already.

An "extremely powerful lobby" is not so scary when you outlaw the type of corporate lobbying they engage in. And the American people don't have to let you have a business.
> And remember - we did have a long experiment with legally prescribed opioids, and their widespread availability contributed to the current addiction crisis.

People couldn't just go to a store; trusted family advisors were overprescribing due to intentionally misleading advertising. The addiction crisis is what happens when insurance no longer covers the pills.
That wasn’t the point. Some of addicts in China are dying, but given the lack of a social safety net at all, most are just willing not to go there. Here in the USA, you can try fent with the local idea that mom, dad, or maybe society, will put you back together. In China, none of that will happen, your chances of ruining your life are obviously high, so doing drugs isn’t really an option.

But we can’t really go there as a western country, so we try to socially reduce the consequences of drug use: not only are we not going to throw you in jail, but we are going to make sure you don’t starve/freeze to death and we will even try to cure you (even if we are going to fail at that most of the time).

If we had drug treatment in prison that worked, we would be horribly stupid not to just lean in on that. I’m totally for “go to prison but get out of you get clean.” Who wouldn’t?
China has another headache now: It can't stem deflation
Homelessness skyrocketed in line with rents.

That could just be a coincidence though - that increasing the price of homes caused people to stop being able to afford them.
Plunging Lithium Prices Could Herald Cheaper EVs
> The root of Stealing is to deprive

Says who? Where did you get that definition? Your claim isn’t very well supported by either of the two dictionaries that I linked to, nor any searches on the etymology of steal that I can find. A valid definition is a valid definition. Common usage is common usage. It may be common to refer to something physical that is deprived, but it’s also extremely common and also completely correct to refer to things stolen that do not deprive. You can, in fact, steal ideas, according to the definition of the word steal.

> It may be used in that context in our society

Yes, and that makes it de-facto correct usage! Discussion of idea stealing has been commonplace in business, and academics, and literature, and among children, and …. You can find a never-ending supply of references to stolen ideas online and in print. It seems especially ironic for people on a startup forum to argue that ideas can’t be stolen when it happens and gets referred to regularly.
Does this mean you can set it to archive ONLY reddit porn?

Asking for a friend.
I find it astonishing that nobody has the common sense to consider that the nature of this epidemic is uniquely American, and thus learn from the plenty of developed nations that don't have this problem.

You will barely find any find meth or fentanyl in Western Europe. You won't have zombie blocks nor would they ever be tolerated at this scale. The absurd amount of deaths would trigger urgent and decisive actions.

Nor would frequent petty crimes be tolerated. In the Dutch city that I live, there were imminent threats of looting during the lockdown curfew days. Vast crowds of local men, including the local football hooligans, formed a spontaneous army awaiting the looters.

They would not allow their town to be trashed. Everybody stood for the integrity of their community: citizens, police, businesses. Public disorder is not tolerated, not at a large scale anyway.

The attitude to just let it spiral out of control is anything but "progressive". You have a right to public order, clean cities, consistency in applying justice, it's the basis of a functioning society.
One of the few people who could pull the three horseman of AI to provide book blurbs.

I'm about 10 feet from PRML right now, more than a decade after I got it.
> Would they also make Sony, Nintendo and Microsoft open up their platforms?

God I hope so.
"Portland did everything! They invested huge sums in shelters, treatment programs, counsellors, etc."

This is not even remotely true.

Everyone in the city, from the mayor [1] to the head of the largest services non-profit [2] has been yelling from the rooftops about the glacial slowness to effectively spend the allocated funding for drug treatment. Until just months ago, Multnomah County has been sitting on tens of millions of unspent funds,[3] and has been perpetually criticized for spending on harm reduction instead of treatment.[4] We actually closed the only local sobering center in 2020!

1. https://www.wweek.com/news/city/2023/03/20/wheeler-slams-mea...

2. https://www.wweek.com/news/2023/11/15/the-ceo-of-portlands-l...

3. https://katu.com/news/local/multnomah-county-chair-fast-trac...

4. https://www.kptv.com/2023/07/08/multnomah-county-implementin...
They must allow Epic to use their own in-app payment processing that bypasses the Goolag while also allowing them to distribute apps/games on the Play Store?
What does google play store have compared to third party stores?
Walled garden is fine. Charging exorbitant fees because you've strong armed any and all competition out of the game isn't.

A reasonable fee with 0 competition would be fine. No fee, while hiking the prices of the devices would be fine.
Honestly not much different to today.

a) Apple, Google etc could just refuse to host any apps that are being sold on other stores. This sort of exclusivity is common place and legal.

b) Larger developers who have their own agendas like Epic and their metaverse will run their own stores.

c) Everyone else will stay with Apple/Google. The costs of running a third party store are significant and ultimately developers or consumers will need to pay for it. So either end users or developers will end up having to pay more for an experience that is far worse than what they have today. And if a) ends up true then developers would lose their biggest distribution channel.
I get that. I disagree with the idea that to stop that we need Jesus.
And we have already seen what happens when third party companies go around the Google Play store.

You might have heard about this little company

https://www.forbes.com/sites/ryanwhitwam/2018/08/25/epic-gam...
Apple offers the same kinds of deals (see Netflix discussions) though there the rationales are different, which leads to sweatier "Apple has to offer deals because their value add is so bad, and having alternative app stores would help"-style arguments... I don't really know of a good legal argument there.
Not all recreational drug users are addicts.
Speed of Mixtral on llama.cpp and M2 Max is "beyond insane"
Can we agree on reducing fossil fuel consumption by 90%? I tend to agree that a literal total end to fossil fuel consumption is impractical (even though it is necessary, we need alternatives that we don't have at scale yet or else we will have deaths at a massive scale).

But a good first step is to make our consumption a tenth of what it is today.
When it comes to dangerous drugs, nothing "works". We have to choose the least-bad policies.

A lot of people, including me, thought the war on drugs was pretty much the worst policy position. Now I'm seeing that there are (perhaps) worse policies. We need to be quantitative and nuanced, not speak in sweeping characterizations.
Considering that alcohol is, by far, the most dangerous drug and it's completely legal, I think there's something to be said for your point.

I gotta say though, it's sort of complicated when you're talking about legalizing things that are already legal as prescription drugs (like opiates and benzos). Alcohol is different because it doesn't really have any medical use outside of disinfecting things (it's fairly terrible as an anesthetic or as a tranquilizer), but there's something kind of weird about having former prescription drugs just be legal over the counter. How many people might bypass their doctor and start using strong opiates for pain that might not need it and end up in a bad spot?

I don't think you can go so far as like w/ alcohol where you just show an ID and buy whatever you want, but it does seem like there needs to be some way to ensure the product is safe. Maybe a compromise might be some sort of free testing kits, or something like narcan on hand in a safe space.
So Google is punished because they made their platform more open.

Well, that certainly will bode well for the future.
Yes, that's right. And I used the original title (though it was way longer).
Were they ever caught? This seems like assault (and battery?) all already illegal.

Your problem doesn’t seem to be drugs but (probably) the defacto police work stoppage? That’s the problem in the Bay Area atleast [1]

https://missionlocal.org/2023/03/police-staffing-crisis-san-...
That'd be great for everyone. A citizen would be able to view and revoke tokens.
Illogical thinking
That means carbohydrate diet would keep us more alerted? I also heard the glucose makes us sleepier, but it's total anecdote that I never researched.
Your summary is right but is missing one key detail. In the period since iMessage was developed, every single direct messaging and group messaging app that got to scale has been x-platform across Android and iOS, and many of them have even been x-platform to web/browser clients and/or desktop apps across Windows, macOS, and Linux.

Namely: Telegram, Signal, LINE, WhatsApp, Discord, among others.

That is, all except one.

The one exception is, of course, Apple's iMessage.
No, they’re getting punished because they faced a jury instead of a judge.
In that case consoles from Microsoft, Sony, and Nintendo?

Why stop there? Smart TV manufacturers? Cars?
Wow. I remember participating in the RC5 challenge a loooong time ago. These days, a household of smartphones probably has more power, lol.

What are they working on?
There's also a matrix bridge and Github discussions if you'd prefer those options. It's difficult to choose a place to build a community - particularly ones that are non standard so Discord works for us right now. Have you got suggestions on other services that would work better for this sort of thing? Seeing examples of thriving developer communities in places other than Discord would help convince people that it's worth changing.
Of course its a good thing, but yeah its just one giant megacorp winning against the other for their own gain. But in this case Epic gain is also gain for consumers and devs of mobile apps/games.
Apple doesn’t license its OS to third parties
<input type="submit" value="Search"> is fine and is the most common solution. But <button>Search</button> is also completely fine, and if you want anything other than plain text as a button label (e.g. images, variable formatting), it’s the approach you have to use. (When used in a form, there’s an implied type="submit" on it. With type="button" it would lose the submitting functionality and become obviously unsuitable.)
> Who decides which platforms get support

The developer of the software supporting those platforms. In this case, Beeper.

I suppose if Apple wants to say certain users are not allowed to access iMessage unless they've bought an iPhone that's fair. (Maybe you could argue its anticompetitive to bundle services together like that, but I won't assert that point here.) But if that's all this was about then I ought to be able to buy an iPhone, import the access token from that into Beeper on my Android, stuff the iPhone in a drawer, and go about my business. The problem is that Apple wants to dictate not only who has access to iMessage servers, but also how they're allowed to access it. And that is unacceptable in my opinion.

"Security" is a poor excuse. If server side software has to rely on trusting the client then it was never secure in the first place. And if client side software wants to "secure" itself against the person who owns it... that's a form of "security" I could do without.
To be fair, that's literally called a video game console.
It would be terrible for consoles.

They would not be able to recover their costs early enough in the lifecycle. Which means that the time between console releases would be much longer than it already is.

It also would put Nintendo in an untenable situation since they rely on low price hardware as their differentiation.
A teaser rate? Good luck getting publisher or VC funding for something that is a bet on you going big. They will discount projections by the full 30.
Epic v. Apple did find some limitations to Apple's policies, but also found that Epic specifically didn't prove the abuse of monopoly power they wanted to.

https://www.theverge.com/2021/9/12/22667694/epic-v-apple-tri...
Yes. Given time. Take down all of these stupid walled gardens. People should own their devices and the manufacturer should have absolutely no say in what applications they install, from where they get those, or who they do business with, and should not have the ability to tax all usage of the device post-sale. You know, just like PCs.

Since you brought up the TV analogy - how would you feel about being forced to pay a Samsung tax every time you buy new groceries for your Smart Fridge? That's basically what Apple does. So they can, respectfully, get fucked.
First AirJet-equipped mini PC tested, Zotac's new ZBox is incredibly thin
I'm using Web Components for this stuff, and it works. If I need variant behaviour, I define a new tag and spec out the behaviour in JS. This removes the need for a vanilla JS routine that grabs the element with selectors and twiddles it. This feels like an improvement, even for a single tag :)

But I'm not doing anything massively complicated yet, so I don't know how it scales for complex UI interactions.
If you cluck the 3 bars and choose list itshows that
In the west, Qualcomm won. There's basically no one else even trying to make medium or high end chips. The patent encumbrance seems total.

Even the mega giant Apple is reportedly just giving up on trying. And at huge real world impact, as well as market drive. Apple designs tend to use a third or more of their phone motherboard's real estate supporting Qualcomm's forest of different parts required for cellular. It's been stubbornly hard to integrate well, forever.

The other IT field I'd cite is GPUs, where it's not at all a secret that companies would love to make more open hardware & stop using so many firmware blobs, but those blobs are the obfuscation layer that gets them legal protection, by making it unclear how the hardware works.

In these regards, it's just a miracle wifi and bluetooth and consumer GPUs exist. That anyone can build any chips, given our shitty onerous forsaken legal IP system, seems like a miracle. Qualcomm feels like the dark world hell nightmare we can never escape from but miraculously nightmare-shit-world is in only one key part of information technology, not all of IT. Somehow. Thank the stars.