skysight-inc/HackerNews huggingface dataset:
As cold as it sounds what Israel should be optimizing for is minimizing the number of dead Israelis, now and in the future. Not "because it suits them". The number of Palestinian civilians killed and otherwise impacted is certainly a moral consideration.

If Israel stops now, and Hamas kills 2000 Israelis in 5 years, and then Israel kills 50,000 Palestinians because Hamas is much stronger and the war is much more complex and the population is denser, should we stop now? What is the probability of this outcome? What are the range of outcomes of stopping now, beyond the obvious of less people will die over the next week or 2 weeks, or month, until the next round flares up. We have had many rounds of violence.

How do we weigh the continuation of rocket fire into Israel from Gaza into the equation? What happens if Hamas figures out a technological solution to defeat the iron dome?

There are many many other factors.

How do we weigh the motivation/chances that Hezbollah would attack Israel from the north?

Clearly all the dead people are not coming back to live. All the damage that has been done is done. It's all extremely tragic. The question is where do we go from here. You're saying "we should make Israel stop". Assuming that's even an option (I don't think anyone can make Israel stop at this point) who is going to pay the price of that decision down the road? "we" or Israel?

I don't know. I don't have answers. My opinion is that stopping now will result in more deaths in the future. But I'm not sure. If I was convinced stopping now is the best option for peace I would certainly support it. I hope we are getting very close to the end of the war, at least the more intense phase of it.

I think knowing Israelis will give you some sense of what kind of people they are, and will let you relate to them as people. Something I think is missing from a lot of the discourse. I agree we're seeing horrors. By the way, you should also talk to some Palestinians and get to know them as well fwiw. I've had some pretty interesting discussions in the past with a Palestinian friend.
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Great writing. People seem to forget history, which they were probably never taught.
I don't know exactly how to interpret this video, but it seems the Cybertruck decelerates the passenger over about the same time and distance as electric F150:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLKor7Aven4
I've read similar thoughts before about AI art. When the process was still developing, you would see AI "artwork" that was the most inhumanly uncanny pictures. Things that twisted the physical forms that human artists perceive with the fundamental pixel format/denoising algorithms that the AI works with. It was just uniquely AI and not something a human being would be able to replicate. "There are no errors just happy accidents." In there you say there was a real art medium/genre with its own intrinsic worth.

After a few months AI developers refined the process to just replicate images so they looked like a human being made them, in effect killing what was the real AI art.
Thank goodness it's only consumers suffering, or market forces might have to bail someone out!
Cue an increase in the number of "I can't believe this new service is blocked in the EU!" comments, along with "pff, I don't like advanced new technology anyway" copium.
I know where you come from and I know where the people who are responding to you come from too.

Software has changed in the last 10 years, but a lot of it has changed superficially. A green software engineer most likely won't be able to tell the difference between a superficial change and a fundamental change.

It has a lot to do with the topic of this thread. "Quality Software" It's a loaded term. There's no formal definition, everyone has their own opinion on it and even then these people with "opinions" can't even directly pinpoint what it is. So the whole industry just builds abstraction after abstraction without knowing whether the current abstraction is actually close to "quality" then the previous abstraction. It all starts out with someone feeling annoyed, then they decide to make a new thingie or library and then they find out that this new thing has new annoyances and the whole thing moves in a great flat circle.

That's the story of the entire industry just endless horizontal progress without ever knowing if we're getting better. A lot of the times we've gotten worse.

That being said there have been fundamental changes. Machine learning. This change is fundamental. But most people aren't referring to that here.
>I think a lot of people get “turn the other cheek” wrong

Good thing I'm not one of them. The point is that the way to resist effectively is to not let yourself be drawn into a quagmire or an opportunity to show the world your ass (which is what Israel and the US have done). Responding with the intent to do good works (which you will admittedly fall short of, because you're human, landing you somewhere at least justifiable) is better than responding with the intent to wipe out the opposition, indiscriminately and by any means necessary, and accidentally committing a form of genocide. (Note: we (Americans) did that too. The fire next time, and I hate it.)
Why does only Israel have the right to defend itself and not Palestine? When Israeli settlers steal Palestine day by day why does Palestine not have a right to exist and only Israel does?

When Israel imprisons Palestinians for years without charging them with crimes and there is documented proof of them raping and torturing them [1] why doesn't Palestine have the right to defeat Israel to make sure that never happens again?

Why isn't everything Israel wants also allowed for Palestinians?

[1] https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20231205-resigned-us-state...
> Since I have no control over iMessage, I would not consider it safe.

Generally fair assumption. There's been some research (both positive and negative) around their E2EE claims, though AFAIK much of what's known about iMessage's E2EE guts has been learned through unofficial means. I think that for the vast majority of users, iMessage is probably safe enough.

As a user, you have the agency to choose a messenger app that better suits your privacy/convenience balance, though in fairness, I think even among users who care about privacy, many don't know how to judge privacy features and implementation details well.

Like others in this thread, I personally recommend Signal. It's widely available, easily usable, has been audited and researched a fair bit, and though it doesn't have a self-hosted option, it does have white papers out about its protocol which IMO are worth a read.
> from this technical investment

What technical investment? They bought an open-source project from a high-school student.

Beeper Mini is an app they would have built anyway. They simply implemented the bare minimum of iMessage functionality there. Which is a couple of days worth of work, maximum. Maybe a week. And some for testing.

I’m somewhat certain it cost them less than 5 figures. And if it did, what a great marketing campaign. I had no idea what Beeper even was before this whole fiasco.
given how many people and stages of development it must have gone through

That's exactly the problem. The bigger the team, the less motivation there is for each individual to care about the big picture. This phenomenon can be witnessed whereever bureaucracy exists.

More bluntly phrased, "shared responsibility is no responsibility".

That said, I think in this case it's just a matter of these protocols being designed for and intended to be used in a network with high trust.
If ads and email were the only vectors of attack, I'd have a much easier job.
95% time EvE is a spreadsheet grind while watching Netflix in a separate window, but the remaining 5% are so intense and full on adrenaline rush that keeps you coming back to the game again and again
rsync + btrfs works incredibly well IMHO.

I have three drives in different locations, and periodically rsync my home to each of them, then take btrfs snapshot.

rsync lets you exclude things in a finegrained way, similar to .gitignore. So I avoid saving huge binaries that can be recreated.

All this takes two lines of code. Rotating snapshots is also quite easy.
Of course it does if they have willingly chosen to participate in its ledger game and use its services.
Still not convinced training AI is theft, and I think copyright law is a cudgel used by powerful corpos to extract rent and smash innovation.
> when companies try to own a common word like Apple.

I wish there was a competitor called Banana, powered by minions
Only if you want to claim that words are more revealing of intentions than actions, which would discredit you.

The hospital they bombed had the parking lot damaged by a failed Hamas rocket. The "refugee camp" has been there for many years, not as huddled fleeing masses, but permanent structures from people who fled there long ago, the tunnel network is well known and there's video evidence, the aid was being supplied by Israel to begin with (including the water) and they were using the pipes to make weapons, etc.

So I'm not surprised to find that none of your other points make sense either.
I’m guessing Transfer of Information.
Awesome work! Congratulations on the launch. This reminds me a lot of https://depot.dev

I'm not officially affiliated with them at all. But I'm a big fan of their product.

It appears that one difference though is that Depot is more focused on just docker builds and y'all are more generalized runners Is that right?
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There is a value to the iphone users, not just the android users, but neither Apple nor most iphone users will ever acknowledge that.
I'll definitely admit to some bias here, I've been reading Scott's content for 7ish years and I've gone from loving his content to being increasingly skeptical about his writings.

Something I feel Scott (and rationalists in general) tend to do is obfuscate their points in large walls of text, that allude to their actual reasons for writing without directly stating it. Aside from the beginning and end of the post, he never mentions the context or specifics, and just talks about broad counterarguments against selection bias in general. He doesn't bring up relevant specifics like "Aella does polls about sex to an audience she cultivated by doing porn", which seems like an obvious source of bias to me. Instead he gets the best of both worlds, if someone criticizes internet surveys he can point them to the post, without including any specifics that can be easily argued against. It requires a similarly sized wall of text to respond, which most people won't bother with. I personally used to argue that's just how he writes and it's not intentional, but stuff like the email leaks made me change my mind on that [1].

I do wish I'd picked a better example though, what I'm really trying to say is that Scott is definitely capable of analyzing a topic in bad faith. He has his biases like the rest of us, and they get infused into his writing.

[1] https://imgur.com/a/gWeIK6c
I don't like grinding the historical axe--I think it's a dumb thing people do in this conflict. And I favor the right of your country to exist, largely on the basis that no country has any "right" to exist and so the country's continued existence in itself establishes any such alleged right. That being said, it is not like Israel was sitting there minding its own business, and its not like its own establishment was bloodless, and its not like its creation was a peaceful event for many of the Arabs it displaced.

Again, none of that, to me, vitiates the right of an Israeli person to live peacefully in Israel, but I don't take kindly to anyone's nationalist fantasy, and I find it absurd that people continue to trade in the kind of simplistic tribal patriotism that just regurgitates their ethnic narrative.
You might want to read the wikipedia article linked as a citation in my original comment.

The demographic numbers I cited came straight from that wikipedia article, and they do not agree with your "nearly-empty" claim.
I offer, again, my JetBrains GrammarKit counterpoint from the last time that assertion came up <https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38192427>

>>>

I consider the JetBrains parsing system to be world class and they seem to hand-write very few (instead building on this system: https://github.com/JetBrains/Grammar-Kit#readme )

- https://github.com/JetBrains/intellij-community/blob/idea/23... (the parser I'll concede, as they do seem to be hand-rolling that part)

- https://github.com/JetBrains/intellij-community/blob/idea/23... (same for its parser)

- https://github.com/JetBrains/intellij-community/blob/idea/23... and https://github.com/JetBrains/intellij-community/blob/idea/23...

- https://github.com/JetBrains/intellij-plugins/blob/idea/233.... and https://github.com/JetBrains/intellij-plugins/blob/idea/233....
It does seem a bit lacking additional guidance. I take it that the term "database" implies you can retrieve the scraped photos, like searching for real photos taken from CCTV footage or the internet using a photo of someone's face.

But building a model that can do facial recognition, and scraping a bunch of photos of faces to train that model I think would be fine.

I think the idea is so you cannot find someone from their face. Like if I have your photo, and I could find other photos/footage of say where you were last seen.

For example, I think you could still train face recognition models, and deploy them on Google Photos to find you and your friends amongst your own photos.
This is extremely false.
https://archive.is/VvrW6
Well why in the world would I trust iMessage and distrust Beeper Mini?
Solving sudoku is a pure exercise in proving what the solution is.

But most sudoku tend to be unsatisfying in that you're forced to use trial and error. The more formal term would be "proof by cases": once your fun proving has reached its limits, you've shown that a particular cell must contain either 5 or 7. If you show that that cell containing a 5 will lead to a contradiction, you've created an impeccable proof that the cell contains a 7.

The distinction you've stated would only come into play if the number of possible solutions to a puzzle differs from one; if there are no solutions, you have inconsistent premises and your proofs will be valid but not sound. If there are several solutions, then guessing and being right will, as you describe, create a proof that a solution exists, but it won't prove that that solution is unique or characterize what valid solutions are like, both of which are common mathematical goals.
There's definitely a similarity, but no, modern US would not behave like modern Israel is behaving. Our response to the 2020 riots was extremely hands-off relative to the level of violence of the rioters (who, in one instance, took cobtrol by force of a section of a major US city, declared secession, and held the area for several days [0]).

[0]: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitol_Hill_Occupied_Protes...
Forging a judicial order is trivial. There is no way Verizon or anyone else knows if there is a specific form used in one of the 1700+ counties that comprise the US. Federal subpoenae are even easier because they are uniform and are filed under seal. Verizon can't call the Clerk's office and ask, "did the grand jury really issue a subpoena?" The documents are written on simple copy paper and lack any kind of security features. Expect more of these as word gets out. Also, it's easy enough to file a small claims case and have a subpoena issued. Usually, there's no one to quash the subpoena. Civil subpoenas take a little longer than criminal ones and you have to pay to have them served, but so what?
There were a number of similar comments on HN when they announced. The real lesson? The internet is a shit show.
For all we know you're a lizard person trying to push humanity into a nuclear Holocaust so the lizard people can take earth over.
If you think about it, it's actually not even a technological requirement. It's plenty possible to use an Android system service which maintains a connection for Beeper Mini persistently from the phone. After all that's what GCM does too. Yes, it would require backgrounding permissions, but that is something pretty justifiable for a messaging app, and when using the right UI practices, you can explain this to the user before they grant it.

So yes, it's absolutely possible for this app to be 100% client side and I wish Beeper would've done that to start, if for no other reason than to dispel the misinformation around that BPNs is somehow required for the core operation of the app.

To be fair, they probably thought making this explicit in their How It Works article would be sufficient.
Under my plan, reconciliation and shared prosperity makes more instances of oct 7 terminally unworkable for any who would attempt them. There haven't been too many Pearl Harbor reduxes, if I'm not mistaken.
Israel is an Apartheid State long before killing 20 000 people in the past 2 months. Israel will never get the peace they seek with the oppression they inflict.

* Illegal Settlers living in Palestine can vote in Israel but not Palestinians; Israeli settlers all the rights of being a citizen of Apartheid Israel while the Palestinian neighbour doesn't have any. Apartheid South Africa did the same, they put the people in their own "country" and so couldn't vote. Israel doesn't want 2 states as that would mean millions more voting.

* There were 5,248,185 Palestinian refugees neighbouring countries in 2020; that's equal to half the population of Israel. Israel is committing genocide in trying to ethnically cleanse the land.

* Israel has ethnically cleansed and fragmented areas into [isolated cantons divided by Israeli settlements](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_enclaves), and implemented [lebensraum](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lebensraum) tactics. This was called [Bantustans](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bantustan) in South Africa.

* The Apartheid Separation wall - https://i.pinimg.com/originals/d0/73/81/d07381fffef632350bcb...

* The settlers killing in the West Bank, and burning homes to get rid of people and destroying olive tree groves.

* They control the water completely - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_supply_and_sanitation_in...

* They get 12 hours of electricity a day - https://www.ochaopt.org/page/gaza-strip-electricity-supply

* Palestinians didn't have 3G until 2018, their access is also spied on and restricted.

* Segregated road system - https://s3.amazonaws.com/VP2/visuals/en/4db97391fe7cb2462249...

* 50% of Palestinians are children.

As someone from South Africa, I've seen ethnic cleansing and Israel is doing worse. Israel is absolutely an Apartheid state. Various human rights organisations have already stated this.

Not to mention the Israeli government's rhetoric of calling Palestinians rats and that their lives are less important than an Israeli's. Hamas wouldn't exist if not for Apartheid Israel's actions, in the same way uMkhonto we Sizwe doesn't exist now that Apartheid has been disbanded in South Africa.

And it seems in the comments here and elsewhere on the interent, Zionism is conflated with antisemitism. Zionism is extreme nationalism (at the expense of innocent Palestinians), not anti-Jew.
Going back to the original claim:

> Apple claims iMessage is E2EE, do we have proof they aren't siphoning the messages from the client once it's been decrypted?

The answer here is no. Yes, making a wild claim afterwards is lazy, but the fact remains: there is no system in place to get anywhere close to "proof".

The best we have is researchers reporting trust violations when they find them, escalating those violations in the media, and sometimes forcing the company to change behavior. Relying on (ever more skilled!) unpaid volunteer work to verify the claims of the largest company in the world seems like an appeal to authority. It also doesn't scale as they make more claims and build more complex software.

Yes, breaking E2EE for everyone is so large that it would be impossible to do at scale without anyone noticing. Breaking it selectively to target individuals (the threat people are actually worried about!) is much harder to detect, no?
> finding the remaining jobs that computers _cannot_ do

Until a few years ago, this was "knowledge work". Creativity, empathy, imagination, communication, the work you do using your brain. Automation can replace human hands and muscles, you see, but not our minds. That's why education and upskilling is so important to dealing with the impact of automation on workers.

... Except now it's 2023 and AI has its crosshairs on both our minds and our hands. What else do human workers have to offer?
I worked at a telco next to the law enforcement liason team's office and overheard a lot of their calls and conversations. They were all ex-cops and extremely inclined to hand over anything requested, ever. They also weren't particularly sharp, shall we say.
> "antiProof: ..."

The standard terminology would be "counterexample".
I suspect this is a very common pirating story (well, not the email exchange, that’s unique and rad).
It's very different. The respective unions see their roles very differently, and fight for completely different things.
Forcibly expelled? Most immigrated because of the Zionist state that was formed. And some were expelled in exchange for Palestinian Arabs that were being displaced.

Why are you making such oversimplified, reductionist statements? Most Jews immigrated. There's so much history and back and forth between what happened. Like how Israel had Operation Ezra and Nehemiah which aimed to bring Jews from Iraq to Israel. And things like how there was rising tensions because of the illegal establishment of Israel and how that caused Jews to be killed in Arab nations like in Libya. And how there was reason to believe Jews were being guided by Zionists to be progressively aggressive. Then Israel helped Jews from Libya leave. Then in Egypt, there were anti-jews riots, but that was stopped by the Egyptian government in 1945. But 20K Egyptian Jews left in the 48' war betwee Israel and Egypt. Then some progressively left amid some more civil conflicts in Egypt. Then finally the largest chunk left when Israel invaded Egypt in '56. In Syria, the president allowed the immigration of Jews legally in 1949. In Yemen, Israel enacted Operation Magic Carpet to bring 44K jews. So I just gave a few examples which add more color to what actually happened rather than simple what you said "forcibly expelled" which is completely and utterly false. Again. Stop spreading bllsht. And back up your claims.
> The US has huge military presences in both countries, and if they really wanted to shut down funding to those institutions they could do it tomorrow.

How?
The product pics include one with a lot of ink names showing examples: https://static2.jetpens.com/images/a/000/073/73994.jpg?ba=mi...
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FWIW I agree personally. I find that stating a position too strongly sometimes leads to a debate about semantics rather than the merit of the explanation/justification.

My opinion is that inequality destroys people's ability to relate to one another. My worries now are completely different to those I had growing up, and the people who have staff to run their lives increasingly show themselves to have no concept of what life is like for the rest of us.

It feels like there's a fairly dangerous game being played in the UK at the minute, with frustrations around inequality are being exploited and redirected as anger towards out-groups.

The issue is that leaving the EU and attacking immigrants doesn't actually solve the underlying issue. The people behind it still benefit in the meantime but eventually it's going to blow up in someone's face. My sincerest hope is that it's theirs.
I wonder if there’s any chance we’ll get a properly-gooey VR version
Tesla has more Cybertruck articles on HN than it has Cybertrucks on the road.