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The problem with arguments like yours is that they're so full of handwaving and vagueness that there's no obvious connection back to the only question that matters: how does a business make money?

How does Amazon make money? I give them money, and then they ship me a book, or download me a book, or deliver me some groceries, or spin me up a server, or ship me a Mac, or handle my fulfillment if I'm selling stuff, or a million other things, most of them in sectors like retail and logistics that are proven cash cows.

How does Facebook make money? I give them money and they show targeted advertisements to people who mostly proceed to ignore them. What? How is that worth more? I'm not saying it's worthless, in fact the entire point of my argument is that even viable businesses like Facebook are overvalued. I'm just saying it is overvalued.

You say there's upside, but if you take all the upside in their current business model and make the entire world population Facebook users, it still doesn't add up. So then what? There's upside in expansion, perhaps, except that's limited because of brand perception and reputation--Facebook's reputation is comparable to that of cable providers and governments, which scuppers any expansion into mobile, for instance. But then you have to balance against downside, and current valuations seem to be ignoring that.
I guess some of it is simply opinion and personal preferences. In my opinion, good UI doesn't require users to go searching for documentation pages.
Hardware startups can be very risky..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CueCat
hmm. But his argument is he don't need Linux becuase he can do all the stuff he want in Mac.
If it isn't obvious, GPL is an attack against proprietary computers and against the corporations that have been trying repeatedly over decades to bottle-up and monopolize the computer revolution.
If the IRS had discovered the quadratic formula...
The thing is that they can track this over time ... so even if they registered all the dots in the area at the time, if they do this often enough a pattern will emerge where you are the only one with that specific radio ID that makes a certain purchase. So unless you can get your friends to come with you every single time they only need to get data from 3 visits or so...
Not only that, but iPhones will automatically connect to any open ATT wireless nodes, they are configured that way when you go purchase a device from ATT.
When you utterly own the search marketing space, yeah, you do run up against a hard wall unless you can either get that market to grow, or you can weasel into another market.

Android doesn't seem to have made much of an impact to their profits. Their other web properties, like Google+, make Apple's legendarily empty "eWorld" look like a boomtown. It seems like of all their acquisitions, only YouTube has really changed what Google is.

Still, better to take some projects out back and...bury them...than to Yahoo!-ize yourself with thousands of semi-popular things you have to maintain in perpetuity.
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>Note: Check out this redesign, which I think is quite effective, and is installable as a extra stylesheet on the current HN code: http://akhun.com/seo/skitch/Hacker_News-20120420-180413.png

That's really nice. It's not clear where the stylesheet is though. I'd love to use it, where might it be?
One of them: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3838087
Nice neat and clean article given..
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Tencent QQ boasts 721 million active accounts.

Numbers like that blows my mind. It's twice over the population of the US.
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From their newsletter which just went out, can't find a link online.

"Please make sure it's reasonably secure. Meteor security isn't as hard
as people think. Admittedly it doesn't yet have the delicious "candy
coating" that the database and DOM update stuff has, but we didn't,
like, forget to put any in. Here's what Made With does:

* Use Meteor.publish() and Meteor.subscribe() to control what clients
can see (remove the 'autopublish' package first). Actually you may not
need to do this for a blog.

* Use Meteor.methods() and Meteor.call() to define secure server
functions and call them from the client. Then lock down your app by
disabling the "training wheel" methods that let any client do any
write."

Also from a quick skim of the server code itself it looks like they are using connect, so you it's possible that you could roll something up using a connect middleware package like everyauth. [1]

That would mean hosting your own server though rather than using the simple meteor deploy.

[1] http://everyauth.com/
That's better but, a comments (46) link would be great on the second line.
Not sure what the point here is; this is all relative.

Sure, .14MB isn't a big deal but if you're uploading 2.14TB of data, I need to know about that .14.
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>Often, people wonder why I spend $50,000 a year going to design school, when I can learn how to make things that are just as shiny by reading psdtuts.com.

How is this relevant? Also, no one wonders that.
I thought that this article was about having a number type that supports significant figures and propagates them through all calculations appropriately. That would be pretty useful. Instead it is a complaint about benchmarks it seems, which is valid, but not obviously in the domain of all "computer scientists" but rather people that run micro-benchmarks and report results without care.
I don't know of any projects that do exactly this, but there are projects that are dual-licensed. You can either use the code under the GPL or buy a commercial license and use it in your proprietary code.

ExtJS is a great example of this sort of dual-licensing, and I've seen it on other projects as well.
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You could have a thousand examples of the copy->innovate->invent development cycle, but most Americans simply won't ever believe Chinese people can invent things until it happens. Nevermind that Chinese people invented all sorts of stuff - "what have you done for me lately?"

Just look at Japan - the thought that Toyota and Honda could ever make cars better than Detroit used to be completely outlandish... then it was Koreans. Now it's Chinese (a Chinese car? HA! WHAT A JOKE!)

It's just racism, plain and simple.

The public perception curve for developing Asian countries in America goes something like this:
Ridicule -> Dismissal -> Contempt -> Acceptance -> Reverence

Reflect upon where Japan, Taiwan, Korea, Singapore, China, all fall along this curve, and where they were 10, 20, 30 years ago.
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I believe wikipedia is not just a tech, rather it is about content.
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I recently read an article on HN about how the value of an idea comes from execution, not from just having it. That ideas bounce around a lot before they finally find a good home. It was such a romantic image that I now feel compelled to inspire you with some sort of nascent idea.

Unfortunately, I have nothing ready.

But, off the top of my head... I think the world is missing a lot of tutorial-ized scripts. That is, a lot of download-able programs, especially programming-related ones like languages (Ruby/Node/Python/etc) have install scripts that make changes to your system when you install.

I think it would be cool to have a "tutorial-ized" version where the installer explained why it was doing things as it did them.

Of course, that would require someone with know-how to augment the script. And it would be a nightmare to maintain. But perhaps a useful learning tool / way to disseminate knowledge.
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You don't even have to be a computer game to be Turing complete :P. You can actually simulate a TM in Magic[1] (a card game). Looke at

[1]: http://draw3cards.com/questions/2851/is-magic-turing-complet...
Why is this framework better than things like ember.js, especially if ember has something like this https://github.com/tchak/colors-demo
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>* Use Meteor.publish() and Meteor.subscribe() to control what clients can see (remove the 'autopublish' package first). Actually you may not need to do this for a blog.

Scoping isn't enough.

>* Use Meteor.methods() and Meteor.call() to define secure server functions and call them from the client. Then lock down your app by disabling the "training wheel" methods that let any client do any write."

So, I can't make a production-grade app unless I use 0% of the magic.
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There's one example: "ECPA is actually fairly strict. It would be both illegal and tortious for Google to, for example, share the entire contents of your Gmail archives with the MPAA, currently. But after CISPA passes, it would be neither illegal nor a tort."

I'm sorry, but CISPA erodes privacy of the people. Otherwise, what's the purpose of the bill then? tptacek doesn't even say except attack the anti-CISPA advocates saying that it's nothing new. There's an appropriate quote for that:

"A claim that is nonsense on its face. Even if you knew absolutely nothing about any of the issues involved, the claim that the government is busy making legislation that does nothing is nonsensical."
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> Open source IDEs are uh... ...let's just say they're an acquired taste, and leave it at that.

You say PyCharm is amazing. IntelliJ which it is based on is open source. Eclipse and Netbeans, which are generally considered to be in the same league, are also open source. The only IDE commonly considered to be in the same league as these three IDEs with regard to refactoring and feature count would probably be Visual Studio.
Git being fast is an important property of the problem it's solving.

I work daily in Python, but I wouldn't use it for a VCS or DVCS.
You speak of light table, but that specific project wouldn't have existed without clojure which uses the eclipse license; doesn't this make it a derivative of open source?

Furthermore, ibdknox open sources the majority of his projects...

How can you reconcile with this information? It seems to me that most of the interesting software coming out these days is a product of the open source movement, rather than an attempt to escape from it.
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Please not here though.

By all means fire up a new thread and I'm sure you guys will wrap this up in no time. But for the sake of the rest of us here to discuss the topic we're discussing, please don't drop a little religious war into the middle of it.
True. And it may not be the exact product or service, but the project opens my eyes to a larger market opportunity.
Programmable Web noticed this last year when Google started charging more for their older APIs. Why kill the API when you can make as much money as you want from its users?

> Google is also providing developers a reason to finally move their maps off of Google Maps V2. Overages for the old version of Google Maps costs $10 per 1,000 map views.

http://blog.programmableweb.com/2011/10/27/google-maps-usage...
Great article.

"Once I even ended up in a holding cell at the border crossing to Norway, because the customs officers just wouldn’t accept that someone would drive all over Europe simply to take photographs of traffic signs."

Would love to hear more about this :)
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Actually worked just fine on my iPad.
A lot of other styles for HN are at http://userstyles.org/styles/browse/ycombinator .

I personally am a fan of hckrnews.com though.

My current userstyle for HN is Readability[1]

[1]: http://userstyles.org/styles/16041/hacker-news-readability
1. Any business that scrapes many sites.

2. Who says it goes down? Might just have stale or incorrect data before the tweak is patched.
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Read the title as Haskell Musical, and thought the name was pretty clever. I'll just leave this here.
Not bad. I appreciate the fact that there are no numbered rankings, simply because I think it's unnecessary information that provides no value. Though I would probably flip the positions of the points and upvote buttons; there's an association formed between the title and voting, and you're essentially breaking or fragmenting that connection by moving the button away from the title.
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Just an idea I had, thought someone might find it interesting. I may clean it up and make it into a plugin if there's interest.

Note I've only tested in Chrome (osx).

edit: fixed bug http://jsfiddle.net/VtAAs/10/
An example comes to mind:

The Yelp API doesn't expose a given user's public bookmarks, reviews, etc., but they can be easily scraped from the user-facing website.

http://www.yelp.com/developers/documentation/v2/overview
Plagiarism, dammit, the word is plagiarism! (I know that it's that way in the original, but I don't feel like creating another fershlugginer account just to bitch about diction.)
Complexity depends a lot on the structure you would choose. It would be easy to handle a scenario like you mention by using both static page generation and client-side rendering.

Email me if you got any specific questions in using Punch for your requirement.
Hey, nice job!

It's a lot cleaner and more sleek.

I do have some feedback, though:

1. With your redesign, you've brought a submission's point total into the limelight. Instead of the way it is now where the two main actions are to read an article and upvote if you like it, you're throwing in a third factor. You're saying 'this is how many times this story has been upvoted, and you should take this into consideration when deciding whether to vote on this story. Oh, and if you decide to upvote, the button is to my right.' You sort of create a problematic association between point score and the decision to upvote.

2. Orange seems to be a highlight color, so using it for the story numbers doesn't make much sense. The number a submission is on the list is maybe the least valuable piece of information on the page.

3. The comment bubbles are a nice touch, but they're placed in a bad spot. Look at the current HN homepage now and you'll find that all the comment links stay relatively consistent along a vertical path. It's easy to scan down the page to find the story with the most active discussion. Now imagine viewing your redesign and having to dart your eyes to the end of submission titles of greatly variable lengths just to get to the comment number.

With that's said, I do like the direction you took it in. With a few tweaks, it may turn out to be a really effective design; so keep playing with it!
Personally, I use keyboard shortcuts whenever possible, making the mouse less necessary. I will now hit 'reply' using a keyboard shortcut
Randomly generated TLDs are a brilliant idea. You unexpectedly make some set of people very happy. The problems come in (a) determining where to host the root zone and (b) if that name is later needed for something else (a new country)

At the very least, you get 26 new url shortening companies, and a stack of people with cool email addresses...
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Hmm, Somewhat looking great.
But we can't vote and comment there ne?
If it is having a way to read comments, that would be nice at least.
Because most of time I refer Hacker News because of it is having a great community voice.
I think he's trying to explain that .14 on 300.14 is negligible where as on 2.14 it might mean a lot.

However, I do not fully agree with his statement either. If something takes 300.14ms the .14 is a pretty useless detail. But if I now do this operation in a loop of 1 million it suddenly adds up to a lot. Knowing 300.14 was definitely worth while.

I guess it's all about context.
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Indeed. Very risky. Scraping is not really a sustainable model when you need predictability. Too many variables.
they accomplish the same goal; If you are taking the flexibility out of IAAS (please don't say "cloud") through reserved instances, the biggest difference is that you need someone on call to physically handle hardware if you co-lo.

I mean, I agree that they are very different products, but IAAS and a vps are different products, too. (with a VPS, the customer expects me to preserve the data on disk. With IAAS, the customer expects to be able to spin up new nodes on demand.) If anything, co-lo is much more like VPS or dedicated servers, in that you generally use raid and expect the RAID to be fairly reliable.

But if you are running a webapp, just like most webapps that could run on a VPS can run on IAAS and vis-a-vis, most webapps that can run on a dedicated server or IAAS can also run on co-located hardware you run.

The cost difference is, well, dramatic. Of course, the stress difference, if you are notified that you made the front page of hacker news Thursday evening and have to come up with more servers same day on a friday, and your application can't run on IAAS? The stress difference can also be considerable. so I'm not saying colo is always the answer; I'm just saying that if you are looking at hosting options for your webapp, colo deserves a look.

Of course, if you do co-lo, don't forget redundancy. Good hardware you own with RAID is going to be significantly more reliable than a single IAAS instance, all things being equal, but you don't run something on IAAS without redundancy, and if downtime is expensive, you won't run it on hardware without redundancy. For some applications, it's enough to just have spares and carry a pager (of course, that's also a pain in the ass. I better be saving a lot of money to carry a pager) and for other applications? It's okay to just wait until Monday and get the people you bought the computer from to fix it. In those cases, I'd practice spinning up your app on IAAS so you have something, just in case.
We need a corollary to Godwin's law for references to Steve Jobs.

Together they would constitute the 'gambler's ruin' of online discussion forums.
Brilliant! Takes me back to the good ole days.
Numbered ranking is good but now with this UI, it get distracted for the reading.
I suggest a way to put the rank as just as it is now.
The design is neat to me.
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This is a critique I had with the other HN redesign: I don't think making a submission's point score front and center is a good idea. You're making it important, even more so than the actual story is by placing it on the same line to the left of the story title, and also by increasing its weight.
Sorry to take a tangent here:
Curious what you'd say about someone who is moving to NYC and thinking about what kind of work to find. Formerly worked for one of the big SV tech companies in a project management role. Would love to work for a smaller company now but there aren't as many tech startups in NYC so perhpas IBM is the best bet.

How do you like working there all in all? I understand hierarchy and bureaucracy are the name of the game back east, especially at big blue, but I suspect this will be nothing new... and that SV just claims to be more flat. But would love to hear your perspective and whether it's fulfilling in your org.
Sorry to take a tangent here but interesting to be able to ask two individuals for their experience:
Curious what you'd say about someone who is moving to NYC and thinking about what kind of work to find. Formerly worked for one of the big SV tech companies in a project management role. Would love to work for a smaller company now but there aren't as many tech startups in NYC so perhpas IBM is the best bet.

How do you like working there all in all? I understand hierarchy and bureaucracy are the name of the game back east, especially at big blue, but I suspect this will be nothing new... and that SV just claims to be more flat. But would love to hear your perspective and whether it's fulfilling in your org.
> Am I missing something? I don't see any noticeable difference between this and the current design.

The changes are subtle, but they are noticeable. Enough to be visually appealing, yet keep the practical design.
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This makes me think of the not-so-recent deprecation of Offline Access by Facebook.
I do not know whether it will be supported ad infinitum, but if not, it requires other completely-functional apps to be majorly rearchitected or break entirely.

There is rarely a good reason to actively destroy old API - section it off, keep it out of new code, maybe even kill the documentation so new developers don't use it, but it's bad business and downright disrespectful to the third-party developers who enrich your platform.
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