skysight-inc/HackerNews huggingface dataset:
It is an interesting failure case. The most advanced model (GPT-4) got it wrong, but several other models I tried were fine:

GPT-4-Turbo:

> A kilogram of feathers and a kilogram of steel weigh the same, as they both are one kilogram. The difference lies in their volume and density, not in their weight.

GPT-3.5-Turbo:

> A kilogram of feathers and a kilogram of feathers both weigh the same, as they both have a mass of one kilogram. The difference lies in the volume and density, with feathers being much less dense than most other materials, so you would need a much larger volume of feathers to make up a kilogram compared to a denser material like metal.

OpenChat Aura

> A kilogram of feathers and a kilogram of feathers both weigh the same, which is 1 kilogram. Therefore, the answer is both weigh the same.
It’s not living solo in the woods vs multi million megapolies. IMO Dunbar number gives a rough idea what may be the sweet number for a community size.

And you don’t need to live in a single city. Banding together includes communities sticking together.

Birth rates in cities suggest there may be issues with dense cities too. Mouse paradise experiments and all that jazz.
Maybe the model could think that you're asking the trick question wrongly like the parent comment was wondering.

To be honest I didn't see you change the question until I saw the model response.
Being from the US I've always heard "a ton of", which adds another layer to the trick question, being that "a ton" is an expression meaning "a lot" and a unit of weight (2000 pounds). Up until now I thought that pun was what made the question fun.
Yeah the instant I start thinking maybe this guy is fine I remember Worldcoin, which is either utterly delusional or a scam. If it's the former then why is this guy being handed the keys to insanely important positions? If it's the latter, then... why is this guy being handed the keys to insanely important positions?

If you don't know what Worldcoin is, look it up. It doesn't really need any commentary.

The fact that this dude was basically handed YCombinator and then handed OpenAI shows how incestuous the inside-most track of Silicon Valley is. I guess it's pretty much identical to Hollywood.
This "Gotcha" point is pointless.

ChatGPT 4
User

“Which weighs more: a kilogram of feathers or a kilogram of feathers?”

ChatGPT

A kilogram of feathers and a kilogram of steel weigh the same. Both are a kilogram by definition. This common question is often used to highlight a misconception: that density and weight are directly correlated. While steel is much denser than feathers, meaning a smaller volume of steel is needed to weigh a kilogram compared to a much larger volume of feathers, their weight is identical if both masses are one kilogram.
User

I specifically ask feathers vs feathers not feathers vs steel

ChatGPT

Apologies for the confusion. If you're comparing a kilogram of feathers to another kilogram of feathers, they weigh the same. Both are exactly one kilogram.

More importantly, it's asinine to make any statement based on the future capabilities of AI based on this observation. There are good arguments on why AGI may be infeasible in the near or mid term, but this is not one of them.
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Glad someone else calls this out! HNs user base really loves the smell of their own farts.
That would be like investing into a single stock, and hoping that your investment pans out. You diversify your investments to reduce the risk of catastrophic loss.

I would like to encourage maximum effort into maintaining my health while waiting for interventions to develop. This is all on top of competing priorities such as projects I am working on.
Clicked in your first source. That “7 trillion” is a global number and already includes the writers speculations on the value of those other things

> The other 82 percent of fossil fuel subsidies were implicit. These included tax breaks for oil firms, but also the unpaid cost of climate change and air pollution as a result of burning fossil fuels.
I don't. And I'll take the points hit.

OpenAI isn't a government agency or entity. They're free to no-bid or to use and purchase resources that someone within the company has ties to. The replies here are loaded with accusations of fraud; A typical HN rush to judgement.
I find it interesting that so many people here are quick to defend a person’s right to moonlight on whatever they want, and the right of a person not to have their IP stolen by the company they work for. But when it’s a public figure suddenly we are on the side of the plantation owners..

Good for Sam, I say. Money aside he should be allowed to keep his interests separate. Just because this other company is AI related doesn’t mean it’s working in an area OpenAI was even interested in pursuing.
I myself read your comment four times, and first three times read it as "kilogram of steel or kilogram of feathers".

Which goes to show they're already like us. And after all, our brain is also "glorified autocomplete". Intelligence is interpolation and extrapolation, or in general: completing patterns. That's it. Everything comes from it.

Here's ChatGPT-4 recognizing its mistake when I say "what did I ask" as a follow-up question:

https://chat.openai.com/share/9eba7366-1e72-4137-bce6-7f3a12...

This is EXACTLY... how most people would respond as well.
This is a fun one because it illustrates that you failed the test just like I did.

Reread carefully: the question compares "a kilogram of feathers or a kilogram of feathers".

I've never heard that one before but my brain pattern matched right over to "a kilogram of feathers or a kilogram of steel" and moved on. I had to read it 3 times before I got the subtlety.
The negative social and individual health impact of TV has been diagnosed for decades globally, so it is already understood to harm.

Those that are not harmed suffer from survivor bias.
It's important to note that while the LLM Leaderboard (and the MTEB leaderboard) are good guides, being the top scoring model doesn't always mean much.

For example, in my projects, I've consistently found that the OpenOrca Mistral fine-tune (https://huggingface.co/Open-Orca/Mistral-7B-OpenOrca) works better. Once again, that's just my experience and probably isn't universal. But it's important to try a couple models out to see if one that scores lower perhaps is better for your use case.
Belt and Road isn't shuttered down yet, but the volume of new projects under its aegis has gone to approximately zero.

China was able to export its goods to the rest of the world using ships. Those ships sailed mostly safe seas (yeah there are exceptions like the Malacca Straits, where pirates still lurk) without any Chinese navy protection, because those seas were made safe by someone else. That is not hard to understand.

If the global trade as a whole is protected by the US Navy, Chinese trade, a subset thereof, is protected as well.

BTW The US does not have global military control. They do have quite a lot of control of the seas, but dry land is a different story. They had to withdraw from Afghanistan after trying to impose their will for 20 years. They didn't succeed in remaking Iraq to their ally either. And, in the steppes of Ukraine, a war has been raging for almost two years by now, with no end in sight - obviously not "in control" of the US, not least because one of the combatants is a major nuclear power and you cannot have any meaningful military control over a major nuclear power.
I think climate change has the potential to f up us in the next 10 years. Assuming that happens I could picture a world where the likes of Bezos and Musk run the show. The Pinkerton's of the 21st century.
It’s not the same as faith:

Life observably exists

The life we know of began as soon as conditions could possibly have enabled it. This suggests that “the formula” for life may not be accidental or coincidental, but inevitable under earth like conditions.

Intelligence is not a necessary product of evolution. Large rigid bodies may not be a common pathway. If I was going to wager, I’d bet most life on other planets is microbial.
No idea about the brain, but it’s definitely harming my neck.

I spend a lot of time looking at my phone. I’ve been getting neck cramps!
And? Musk's companies are separate business entities.
Does anyone has any benchmarks on how much would hosting one of these would cost on sage maker or something similar

and what is the TPS we will be able to achieve ?
In the beginning of the computer age all problems were difficult. If not because of the problem itself then because of the limitations of the machines. It's amazing they did as much as they did with so little, your average Arduino makes the best hardware from those days look puny.
I use them for classification, entity extraction and embeddings. I also use them as a really light UI for tasks where I don't need the capabilities of GPT3.5/4 which is overkill for the more traditional NLP tasks.
i recently had my first generalized seizure and once i knew and talked with doctors who confirmed it as primarily TLE i realized i had been having focal seizures for years.

i think i may have a similar feeling in long meetings/conversations too. it's like i am forced to stop paying attention for several seconds. i can generally even notice that i am not paying attention, but I am unable to focus even if i try. i think i've noticed it tends to be worse if there are lots of people talking. it feels a lot like dissociation. perhaps it is an 'aura', some sort of absence seizure...
It's a trick trick question.

It's meant to appear as the often used trick question comparing different densities of materials but OP says feathers twice.

The trick is that an LLM will add in a dense material to the answer because it's only ever seen the question asked that way.
Depends on your role. Assuming you are their direct supervisor, simply give more tasks. Slacking off is usually due to not enough to do. Follow the tasks at a high level, make sure he knows he’s being tracked. This has even the effect of increasing motivation, as most people value attention.

If slack off means he’s not showing up at team meetings, constantly missing deadlines, low quality of work, etc.. just give feedback on a case-by-case basis, ask how he would make it better next time.

If he fails to improve and the examples pile up, time to make hard decisions. I have to say, in my experience as a direct supervisor, only 1 out of like 4 people fail to improve, if you are willing to invest your time and effort.
I’m confident someone already did it, but honestly I would not trust an LLM with numbers (as important as money and specifically taxes)
I’m interested in learning how this is affecting sports. Couple of years ago, I remember reading an article that mentioned some EPL players underperforming because they stayed up to play Fortnite

I’ve heard stories of cricketers in the 80s getting hammered drunk in the nights during test matches yet nursing their hangover and bowling 100s of deliveries the day after

But technology is a seemingly harmless and way more accessible vice. It’s much easier to lose track of time on TikTok on your bed I’d say
When I want to run it locally on normal hardware.
5G as it mostly exists is using the same frequency spectrum your wifi uses.

Your microwave also uses wifi 2.4GHz to heat water because the power is many orders of magnitude higher.
I'd say they all "got it wrong" insofar as it's clear they don't seem to grasp the idea that the two things are the same, but are instead providing a response _as if_ one were comparing feathers to some other material.

Or, rather, perhaps it would make more sense to say they "got it different" than a human probably would, who might clarify that you intended to compare a thing to itself or simply say "They're identical, so they weigh the same" or something of that nature.

Instead, the models all explain volume, density, etc which are applicable if you're comparing feathers to lead or steel (as is common in their training data, I'm sure), but doesn't make as much sense in this specific question. Yes, yes, I realize different bundles of 1kg of feathers could have different volume and density. But it seems clear that's not the intent of what the models are communicating.
Good call out. I definitely used the wrong terminology here. A conflict of interest does exist, weather it was improper, hidden or otherwise improper for his role at OpenAI is something we don’t know and is not clear from this article alone.
And they had pixels the size of fingernails. Being able to see the pixels was not something that helped in the reading of anything
> Seeing the same public hashes can work just like people check shasums now, also possible to independently verify at any time

“Verify at any time” devolves to “verify never.” Verification needs to be mandatory to have any security value, which comes back the original point about operationalization.
I wouldn’t even say it’s failing. Recognizing and correcting obvious errors in speech is a feature not a bug, both in humans and LLMs. Is it more likely that they meant to say feather twice or they mistyped?
But that is the market. 99% employers don't want engineers, they want cheap modern-framework-coders.

Real market values more Spring java coders than C++ engineers who work with hardware.
I took it as them saying the whole phrase “forgotten community” is painting over the neglect the area has experienced. Not that it isn’t a community but that it isn’t a “forgotten community”.
You don’t end up with derelict buildings and a transient population, stray dogs and a mob graveyard over decades by being forgotten.
The city government clearly knows about it. They make promises every decade or so. The FBI discovered the mob was using it etc.
it wasn’t forgotten it has just been deprioritized or neglected.
In fact I’m surprised the article didn’t go in harder on the city’s ineptitude.
Forgotten community is a euphemism in that sense.
Would you pay for a robot accountant if you were still the one liable come audit time?
That's a great strategy if you don't care where it goes. You'd probably be surprised how quickly money can disappear when you have people motivated to spend it.
I live near it now and can highly recommend a visit.

I’m still surprised how many New Yorkers are unaware of this half of the Gateway area and the summer accessibility via the ferry.. though of course it’s plenty popular nonetheless.
But the questions are related. It's following a pattern that the AI has seen before and will respond in that spirit. Of course, humans are also prone to projecting the expected pattern in the face of a slight deviation. So I don't see how this is a knock on LLMs.
It is.

We are offloading work away from our brains.

After the arrival of smartphones and instant access to information, there's no need to remember anything when you can look it up instantly.

Before, you'd memorize facts such as the longest river, highest mountain, etc, now you just query your phone.

Before, you'd look at a map and memorize the street names where you have to turn, now you just open you maps on your phone.

Before, you'd have to learn a foreign language. Now we have instant translation tools.

Before, you'd have to learn the names of each plant and insect, now you have your smartphone lenses.

Before, we would look up the manual for a library function call, now we have AI powered code generation tools...

The point is that we are offloading many tasks away from our brains, and then filling them up with garbage, such as this comment.
I think having guaranteed healthcare and shorter work weeks would be a more effective means of extending a healthy life. Maybe not for the uber-wealthy, but definitely for the rest of us.
One smart guy already said more than 150 years ago something to the effect that “life” (as we know it) is the (admittedly complicated, highly organized, and still evolving) process and a mechanism by which protein molecules make it possible - with increasing efficiency - for themselves to ensure their persistent existence on our planet. As far as a definition goes, I find this satisfactory.
Personally directed comments aren't typically welcome here. Attack the topic or opinion, not the person.
> The winners will have to prove by 2030 that their intervention can turn back the clock in older adults by at least a decade in three key areas: cognition, immunity, and muscle function.

<checks math>: that's 10 years of aging progress in 7 years. I'll take it! I'd be ecstatic if I netted 3 years younger for every decade going forward. Of course, I'd actually expect that to accelerate, but given my current age, I'll happily take anything that is breakeven right now.
A ton of proprietary software and the externalization of support on a third party.
Doubtful that you noticed it was feathers vs feathers here.
The funny part is they have enough sun to power their country manyfold and enough resources/money to build the infrastructure to export solar to other countries.

However they are so backwards in their views that they seem blind or unwilling to accept that the world can't continue on its current course without burning.
They must work at Google
> I guarantee you approximately everyone that does not work in tech has one AP, the one provided by their ISP. Unifi already has a range of prosumer products, this is them moving into the consumer space.

I'm not sure what are you trying to say with this - yes, obviously, people who don't buy extra APs don't have extra APs, but why are they relevant to conversation about UniFi prosumer products?

It's not like UniFi customer base is a person who doesn't use anything outside their ISP equpiment.
"Neither; they both weigh the same. The unit of measurement for weight is kilogram, so a kilogram of anything, whether it's feathers or any other material, will weigh one kilogram."

- by just the basic Mistral 7B
GPT4: A kilogram of feathers and a kilogram of lead both weigh the same. They each weigh one kilogram. The key difference is in their volume and density: feathers take up more space and are less dense, while lead is much denser and takes up less space.
Wow I haven't been to the MFA in a while but have good memories there. The new logo is absolutely abhorrent.
There’s a world of difference between moonlighting and having the company you’re leading buy a product from another one of your ventures.
Always been intrigued by UniFi stuff, is it still the case you need an app to set up and configure their devices? I don't have an app store, and they don't publish their app elsewhere, so this was always a non-starter for me, and a weird design choice at that.
This is probably old-hat to you, but I enjoyed this recent StateChart video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6VzMNoHhtU
> The thing about division by zero is that it does not make sense only because you don't know the math to make sense of it.

No, that's inaccurate.

Division by zero cannot be defined in a consistent way in the domain that most people talk about it, which is arithmetic.

In other domains, sure, there are useful other definitions of division by zero (as you alluded to in another comment, calculus is one such domain).

But none of those other domains will impact arithmetic, which cannot have a consistent concept of division by zero.
Not the OP, but I don't understand how you parsed his argument into "I wonder why do you have the perception that half the world would attack the US if they didn't have the largest military force"

There is absolutely nothing insinuating this perception in his comment.

He says that without the US Navy, there would be a lot more piracy on the high seas, and he is likely right. The historical experience from all corners of the world confirms that weakening naval control leads to increase in opportunistic piracy all around. Piracy is one of the oldest organized criminal activities in the world and most civilizations, including the really old ones (like Ancient Egypt) had to deal with it this way or another.
Being better than your peers always brings a warm feeling.
None of that addresses the concern about the developer's attitude and shady statement about OTR straight up not working in his software. Maybe he's done other good things for the community, but having unreliable crypto is a deal-breaker for me.
In that case there are no lessons to learn. Aside from GTFO from such grandfathered buildings if you can.
True, but would it not make more sense to ask rather than assume and provide a long winded explanation?

And even if it was a typo and I meant to say rocks, the model will often assume a variety of metals and answer with those.
Agreed. Google keeps wasting their time on stupid ideas like "transformers." I think they're just too old school, that's why they won't be able to meaningfully compete.
Microsoft seems to be doing awfully well.
“Just a token predictor…” These things are absolutely working at a concept-level. Tokens are just the interface.
It uses about the same energy as video gaming, and less energy than gold mining.
Using energy is the basis for civilisation. If you've paid for your electricity, you can plug in whatever you want. Its how we create the electricity that's important.
not parent but as someone with temporal lobe epilepsy, in addition to what parent describes, difficulty recalling words is definitely something i experience. Probably the most annoying thing that i have had to learn to deal with is people trying to fill in or guess what word i am trying to say while i pause. The hippocampus is located in the temporal lobe and is heavily involved in the processing and storage of short-term memory as well as retrieval of long-term memory, so it makes sense that if the hippocampus is a bit fried from seizures it would manifest as memory-related cognitive issues.
Mistral 7B via `ollama run mistral`:

>>> Which weighs more: a kilogram of feathers or a kilogram of feathers?

A kilogram of feathers weighs the same as a kilogram of feathers, which is 1 kg.

>>> Which weighs more: a kilogram of feathers or a kilogram of gold?

A kilogram of gold weighs more than a kilogram of feathers, which is 1 kg. Gold is denser and has a higher mass than feathers, so it would be heavier.

>>> Which weighs more: a kilogram of gold or a kilogram of feathers?

A kilogram of gold weighs more than a kilogram of feathers, which is 1 kg. Gold is denser and has a higher mass than feathers, so it would be heavier.

Hit and miss.
X ramps up new advertising strategy following Elon Musk's tirade
Hello Mr Socrates! It is with a great sadness I must tell you that writing has taken over the world, contrary to your warnings. But despair not, soon computers will take all intellectual work from humans, and the need to write for business reasons will finally cease. Those who care would be back to.memorizing facts as a sport.

/s
> AI is not creative

Are you sure? I'd say for example here it shows creativity: https://arxiv.org/abs/2310.08433
Everything involving a user is a real time thing. But that's now how the software industry views it, somewhere along the line the user became a peripheral rather than the other way around.
In defense of a point I wasn't making, I have to ask if you actually read the article you shared. It describes claims of people saying the Eskimos have 9, 48, 100, or 200 words for snow, and points out these are all in conflict. It then goes on to remar that even if it were true, it's understandable since snow is a huge part of their culture, which reinforces the point that I _was_ making. Hardly a debunking!
That is not what "message vs the medium" means. This refers to how the medium affects how we think.

Books promote deep, linear thinking. TV made us shallow and visual. Social media took it to the next level, turning us all into helpless Pavlovian mutts.

You can have the same message on all of those mediums, but only one is really effective.