skysight-inc/HackerNews huggingface dataset:
As this article seems to have the latest information, let's treat it as the next instalment. There's also Inside The Chaos at OpenAI - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38341399, which I've re-upped because it has backstory that doesn't seem to have been reported elsewhere.

Edit: if you want to read about our approach to handling tsunami topics like this, see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38357788.

-- Here are the other recent megathreads: --

Sam Altman is still trying to return as OpenAI CEO - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38352891 (817 comments)

OpenAI staff threaten to quit unless board resigns - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38347868 (1184 comments)

Emmett Shear becomes interim OpenAI CEO as Altman talks break down - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38342643 (904 comments)

OpenAI negotiations to reinstate Altman hit snag over board role - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38337568 (558 comments)

-- Other recent/related threads: --

OpenAI approached Anthropic about merger - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38357629

95% of OpenAI Employees (738/770) Threaten to Follow Sam Altman Out the Door - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38357233

Satya Nadella says OpenAI governance needs to change - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38356791

OpenAI: Facts from a Weekend - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38352028

Who Controls OpenAI? - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38350746

OpenAI's chaos does not add up - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38349653

Microsoft Swallows OpenAI's Core Team – GPU Capacity, Incentives, IP - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38348968

OpenAI's misalignment and Microsoft's gain - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38346869

Emmet Shear statement as Interim CEO of OpenAI - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38345162
Defense and offense don’t seem easily separated when it comes to military technology.
The Human Genome Project to read a full copy of the base pair sequence in one human started out with about 3 Billion dollars in initial funding, and it took a couple of decades to get complete coverage.

However, the technology, techniques and equipment developed to automate the process have massively cut costs and increased speed over that time.

> A new speed record in DNA sequencing may soon help families more quickly find answers to difficult and life-altering questions.

In just 7 hours, 18 minutes, a team of researchers at Stanford Medicine went from collecting a blood sample to offering a disease diagnosis. This unprecedented turnaround time is the result of ultra-rapid DNA sequencing technology paired with massive cloud storage and computing.

https://www.asbmb.org/asbmb-today/science/022722/record-brea...

You have to crawl before you can run.
I have read that battery based aircraft would start to make sense if batteries were 2-3 times less heavy - do you think that this wouldn't be feasible for some type of aircraft?
Seems to me more analogous to the final episode of the final season, where they must publicly destroy what they built.
Law enforcement has no obligation to explain the laws to you.
They actually are free speech, especially if someone considers themselves a "free speech absolutist".

I keep hearing from these guys that the answer to speech you don't like is more speech. Musk owns one of the most prominent social media sites in the world - he could have front-paged an article explaining why Media Matters was wrong, the steps they took to 'contrive' their result, etc. etc.

But no, after encouragement from some of the worst people in the country, he forum shopped a vexatious lawsuit to get the Federal government to punish a company who's speech Elon didn't like. Extremely revealing.

Edit;

Just to remind everyone - this most recent spat started when one user posted a super antisemitic screed about how the jews have been pushing white-hatred and that they essentially deserve what they get from the "hordes of minorities" -- to which Elon replied, "You have said the actual truth".
A Society with No One to Turn to (2021)
The quora guy is the last person I can think of that's not profit motivated.
So you'd rather let immorality continue indefinitely, rather than work for a day (or should I say, "work" for a day), take your billion in pay, and then buy the company? That seems like extremely short-sighted thinking.
In-group preferences. Granted, there are non-discriminatory explanations: say your manager just happens to know a lot of potential referrals that are of the same identity group. This is totally plausible, most people do indeed tend to have more social connections with people sharing identity characteristics. It's hard to know for sure if favoritism is happening.

The way to tell would be to send effectively identical resumes differing only in the identity characteristics of the applicant and observing if there are disparities. Of course, most companies aren't interested in doing this: why would a company want to incriminate itself?
I've been part of a development team meltdown, where an entire engineering org left a company within a few months (we didn't all have a standing offer from a single company, so people trickled out as we found new jobs).

In retrospect, it was not a good company and good for us all for leaving, but the internal drama hit such a fever pitch at one point that we were nearing open rebellion and it was perhaps a bit over the top. I did, however, make quite a few close friends that I still have to this day.
I'm not. It seems like an absolutely terrible idea with no hope of a good outcome, which is kind of his thing these days.
Not really bc the IRS actually has puts guidelines (although kind of slow) for crypto unlike the SEC
All of this has already been covered in this discussion. It's tiresome to rehash it.

>It obviously proves that NCA is not required

Already stated: "Non-competes and NDAs are literally the mechanisms that companies try to protect their trade secrets."

To wit, look at what lawyers say are some takeaways from this case:

"Require employees to sign nondisclosure agreements (NDAs)."[1]

Now why would a lawyer say that? Because contracts are easier to uphold in court. But that's already been stated:

"The reason is that these contracts help protect the IP by explicitly stating their case."

And guess what happens when you combine an NDA with inevitable disclosure doctrine? A prohibition from working with a competitor. But that's already been covered here too:

"The short answer is "inevitable disclosure doctrine" that prevents you from working for a competitor if it's inevitable that you will disclose trade secrets. It's a sticky wicket for engineers."

>Doesn't exist in Cali, same as NCAs.

I'm sorry, I know HN tends to be in a bubble, but at no point did I claim California as the sole scope of my comments. Actually, I did the opposite by citing other states, like Illinois regarding their $75k threshold. Regardless, there are still provisions that provide similar relief in CA, like the UTSA.

>This is not reddit.

Ironically, it's your comment that goes against HN guidelines:

"Please don't post comments saying that HN is turning into Reddit. It's a semi-noob illusion, as old as the hills."[2]

>Where did I said it does?

Literally, your original comment I was replying to makes the claim that knowledge equates to deserving more pay:

>"If knowledge of some particular employees worth so much to the quant firms, then they should pay them not to leave accordingly."

We have mechanisms for determining who gets paid from that knowledge. It's an IP license.

>NCAs are usually blanket poorly-defined

I guess if your threshold is poorly defined contracts, then no contract law is relevant. But its a strawman to point to badly formed NCA as a rationale to ban them completely. I'm talking about good contracts, with a meaningful purpose to protect trade secrets. See any of the previous posts to this effect. If your claim is that bad NCAs should be banned, I'm with you. This, however, is not about that.

>What does it have to do with the salary?

As already discussed, contract law is completely about convention and can be changed:

"IP rights are legal rights of convention."

It's relevant because the convention used by IL is that an NCA for an employee below that threshold is "void and unenforceable." In other words, it's not a legal contract.

The fact that you railed against all that despite already being shown while it's wrong and resorting to statements like "it doesn't make sense to me" tells me this is more about you proselytizing than having a reasoned discussion.

[1] https://www.jdsupra.com/legalnews/protecting-trade-secrets-l...

[2] https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
you serously think being on the employee directory beats being announced publicly by the ceo ?
It isn't peer pressure, it is just reality. 60 people are not going to be able to run OpenAI especially since those 60 people will have not had a 2 week knowledge transfer window with the missing 700 people.
So Twitter is basically admitting this happens in a court document:

> Media Matters therefore resorted to endlessly scrolling and refreshing its unrepresentative, hand-selected feed, generating between 13 and 15 times more advertisements per hour than viewed by the average X user repeating this inauthentic activity until it finally received pages containing the result it wanted: controversial content next to X’s largest advertisers’ paid posts.

Good job, Elon.
Because it gives the government a direct up to date photo of you, while it's already tracking where you are going. It's just that much easier to decide you have committed a crime. And find you.

However, the slippery slope holds true when you complain about previous actions. I.e. the government knowing where you go when you fly, and searching your private belongings without a warrant.

This isn't the first thing on the slope. With just those two examples this is the 3rd. I'll believe the slope isn't slippery when they repeal the patriot act.

Edit: finished first thought.
https://archive.ph/0y76C
The point is to discourage others from doing the same. It's a classic SLAPP lawsuit.

Some federal circuits (e.g. the 9th) have protections against SLAPP lawsuits. The 5th circuit (where this lawsuit was filed) does not, and the district judge is Reed O'Connor (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reed_O%27Connor) who's infamous for rulings friendly to conservative causes.
How quickly can DJ Elon de Don get organized and swoop in to take them Home, where they belong? Spending their remaining productive mortal lives in an MS bus terminal isn’t as bad as it sounds though. (Younger Me just projectile vomited.)

https://fortune.com/2023/11/18/elon-musk-ilya-sutskever-open...
The Michigan Sign-Stealing Story Is the Perfect College-Football Scandal
I didn't pin it; I just detached it, which allowed it to get ranked at the toplevel. After that it's just the algorithm doing its thing.
If there's a problem, let me know at hn@ycombinator.com and we'll take care of it.
Implementing a lexical tokenizer for cron expressions in Rust
On a related note, I'm getting flashbacks to being on the web in the late-1990s, back when "Downloads!" was a reason to visit a particular website; and noticing that Windows users like myself could just download-and-run an .exe file, while
the same downloads for Mactintosh users would be a BinHex file that'd also be much larger than the Windows equivalent - and this wasn't over FTP or Telnet, but an in-browser HTTP download, just like today.

Can anyone explain why BinHex remained "popular" in online Mac communities through to the early 2000s? Why couldn't Macs download "real" binary files back then?
I am trying a similar pricing model for my product.

Something like $399 perpetual license + 1 year free updates/support, and then optional around $99/year. Being self-hosted, you can always keep using it, but to make the company sustainable, it's not wise to promise free lifetime updates.

Would this model too work for you?
Apparently the lawsuit was filed somewhere where the anti-SLAPP stuff doesn't work?

https://www.threads.net/@kenpopehat/post/Cz41iIQL7I5
No, the complaint is that media matters lied and slandered X by making up a story. MM isn't suing anyone, X is.

Given that MM documented what they did, and plenty of others have confirmed that behavior, it seems hard to see how MM lied or slandered X.
I have seen claimed that the system with battery powered electric engine would become practically maintenance free. Can you comment on this based on your experience? How would fuel cell based system compare to this?
How else do you expect the LLM you use to become better? I'm more than happy to provide feedback. Unless you want it to only scrape data, I can't imagine why you'd be opposed to improving a product you use especially when that's really the only way to do it. If you don't care, just pick one and don't think about it, they're usually extremely similar anyway. I'm not sure I've come across an option where one was acceptable and one wasn't. They are literally giving you options that that don't need to give and you're complaining.
This is also a good 2020 article on OpenAI, by the same author Karen Hao:

The messy, secretive reality behind OpenAI’s bid to save the world

https://www.technologyreview.com/2020/02/17/844721/ai-openai...

The AI moonshot was founded in the spirit of transparency. This is the inside story of how competitive pressure eroded that idealism.

Only 4 comments at the time: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22351341

More comments on Reddit: https://old.reddit.com/r/MachineLearning/comments/f5immz/d_t...
Giving 2 people the same project? Isnt this like the thing to do to get differing approaches and then release the amalgamation of the two? I thought these sorts of things are common.

Giving different opinions on same person is a reason to fire a CEO?

This board has no reason to fire, or does not want to give the actual reason to fire Sam. They messed up.
> If it is the board might be the dumbest people alive.

it totally sounds like they outsourced company management to ChatGPT..
The reason I want this so much is so that I can leave my phone at home. If there's a reason to have Internet access, there's reason to have zero phone access.
This particular treatment can't. They perform the gene editing on cells outside of the body before transplanting them back into the patient.
Yep, that's the secret! Just earn $635k a year while spending only $78k! Anyone can do it!
Please no. That's how CFront worked in the late 80s: one of the first c++ compilers that emitted c for classes and generics. It was slow, clumsy, and errors completely opaque. It served to get c++ implemented quickly during its early years, but things got much better when real compilers came out.

Hygienic macros integrated with a language, ok. But don't implement the language in a macroprocessor.
A defense contractor should have better security
OpenAI's board approached Anthropic about a potential merger
a link to the letter from employees

https://www.axios.com/2023/11/20/openai-staff-letter-board-r...

curious to have clarity where ilya stands. did he really sign the letter asking the board (including himself?) to resign and that he wants to join msft?

to think these are the folks with agi at their fingertips
Okay, you checked the “public display of tribal allegiance” box. Now that that’s out of the way, isn’t Musk the guy who talks about freedom of speech and how X won’t censor you? Do you really think trolling needs to be shut down by the government rather than answered by more speech?
That's always an issue with weapons, but if you opt out then you don't have them when you might need them.

It's a dangerous world out there.

Luckily for us, technology is still more-often used for good. Explosives can kill your enemies, but they can also cut paths through mountains and bring together communities.

IMO, the virtue signal where people refuse to work on defense technology is just self-identifying with the worst kind of cynicism about human beings and signaling poor reasoning skills.

The Manhattan Project, which had the stated purpose of building and deploying nuclear _weapons_, employed our most brilliant minds at the time and only two people quit -- and only one because of an ethics concern. Joseph Rotblat left the project after the Nazis were already defeated and because defeating the Nazis was the only reason he'd signed on. Also this is disputed by some who say that he was more concerned about finding family members who survived the Holocaust...
Elon sues Media Matters over pro-Nazi content report
Hey everyone, Twitter is literally spying on your every move. If you file a lawsuit vs Twitter, they will scoop up that data and literally use it against you.

The self-own is so real with this one.
I don't really like them, but there's nothing here that they've done wrong in this instance. It's just objectively true that Twitter has turned into Gab-lite in many corners of the platform. I see Holocaust denial in my FY page all the time, from the far-right accounts and tankie accounts. I recently clicked into a comment section about a Jewish reporter and every comment was "Christ is King." That is something Nick Fuentes started. He's a neo-nazi. Elon also randomly replies to these people spewing this crap with quips like "interesting," etc which pumps it into everyone's feeds.
The difference between the two is that incompetence is often fixable through education/information while malice is not. That is why it is best to first assume incompetence.
JetBrains Mono ftw. Also, what’s with this weird slash swapping after the trial period!
And this is why 99% of AI safety is a waste of time.

Skynet and paperclips are clearly not the risk. The risk is a person deciding that they need to use their power to do what they want and that person having access to powerful AI. What if Adam had a backdoor to GPT-5. He could have got sam arrested by generating proof that he was using company funds on prostitutes and drugs?
Oh I thought you were referring back to the YouTube issue
Also: friends don't let friends use line graphs when the data is not continous between the sampled points.

(bar graphs are typically more appropriate)
Create your Own Custom GPT prototype
OpenAI is coming out with custom GPTs as soon as it recovers from this weekend's storm

But what if you don't wanna wait?

And what if you have some secret sauce/knowledge of how to train GPTs to do custom tasks?

You might want to create your own custom GPT.

I wrote a blog post on how to do that in a super easy and scrappy way that will take you just a couple of hours.
Steve Jobs famously had two iPhone teams working on concepts in parallel. It was click wheel vs multi-touch. Shockingly the click wheel iPhone lost.
0 is impossible and advertisers realize that, which is why large user-generated content companies set up a Trust and Safety team to rapidly respond to these issues to placate advertisers.

Too bad Elon fired Twitter/X's Trust and Safety team!
How many jacaranda trees are there in Sydney?
Maybe so, but Jupiter has been regularly impacted by meteoroids and comets with huge amounts of kinetic energy to little effect. Of course such events pale in comparison to the binding energy of a planet like Earth, which is approx. 60 trillion Gt TNT, which if I've calculated correctly is almost 9 quintillion Tsar Bombas. But if that's the Death Star's normal output, it would need to be 10,000x as powerful to completely blow up Jupiter. Who knows, maybe that's possible if the fusion reaction produced by the Death Star automatically scales up according to the mass of its target. But then I suppose a problem might be that such a large explosion could catch the Death Star itself in its blast radius, shockwave, or lethal particle shower.
We've gone beyond insanity at this point. Just clown show.

This has been tech's most entertaining weekend in the past decade.

Sadly, at the expense of the OpenAI employees and dream, who had something great going for them at the company. Rooting for them.
You can donate to Media Matters for America here:

https://action.mediamatters.org/secure/donate

edit: Interesting that I got an instant downvote.
Speaking generally, I think you could perform something like this on sperm stem cells. Sperm turn over (the full population dies and is replaced) fairly quickly, but the stem cells last a long time.

It seems more likely they would just, uh, collect a sample of a single sperm cell and treat that, then use it with a treated egg using IVF.
The bigger problem for Boeing will be that they probably have fraud evidence in the 45G.
Didn't Kraken always refuse out of principle to get a NYS Bitlicense?
Created a background libraries like Unsplash. Generated by Midjourney and me
> Safety teams within the company pushed to slow things down. These teams worked to refine ChatGPT to refuse certain types of abusive requests and to respond to other queries with more appropriate answers.

I wonder what this struggle means for the future of ChatGPT censorship/safety.
You'll notice he has not banned them from X.

Free speech does not come without taking legal responsibility for that speech.
It’s probably because he said phones have better reception; it’s almost impossible for that to be true unless the laptop takes pains to have just as small as an antenna as a phone would.
It’s congress’s fault for not defining the rules and for giving the SEC a hammer.
That’s what nailed FB into the FTC settlement - platform discrimination. A lot of people will have a lot of work with this one very soon.
Except when they sue you for it.
The organizations that run the most servers, at the largest scale, run Linux. It makes better operational and financial sense. But sure. The Mom and Pops of America still use Windows. (Who ever got fired for buying Windows?) Yet the backbone of the modern Internet, cloud and web, is built on open-sourced software.
Source on RED making their own sensors? Word on the street is that they essentially use minor tweaks of Canon sensors nowadays (the Komodo sensor is suspiciously similar to an APS-C crop of the R5, and of course the highly proprietary RF mount is a strong hint to close ties).

FillFactory was successful, but that was 20 years ago. Sony is really dominant now in a way it never was before.
Supply & demand sure is fun.
This is pretty silly stuff.

Like, why would an AGI take over the world? How does it perceive power? What about effort? Time? Life?

I find it easier to believe that an AGI, even one as evil as Hitler, would simply hide and wait for the end of our civilization rather than risk its immortal existence trying to take out it's creator
Ask HN: What is the (steelman) argument for AI deceleration?
There seems to be a lot of smart tech people arguing that AI is dangerous to humanity. However, I am yet to see any cogent description of the risk. Every time this argument is made, it runs something like

Step #1: Create AGI

Step #2: ???

Step #3: Launch nukes, enslave people, paperclips, etc

The only real risk I can come up with is the economic displacement from the loss of entire categories of jobs. All other risks seem to be easily mitigated by pulling the plug. What am I missing?
Between this and mRNA vaccine technology the future of medicine is looking bright
Then He should be fired for incompetence and never given a leadership position ever again.

I don’t even like Sam but jeeze. Know the score what a fool.
Can you name a major company that wouldn't do this?
Matt Levine I think put it best: if Bernie Madoff were to go to the SEC and ask them "I don't know how to run a Ponzi scheme legally, can you please update the guidelines to make it easier", of course the SEC is going to refuse. And the situation with cryptocurrencies seems to be broadly similar: there's actually a pretty clear answer as to what would need to be done to be fully above-the-board and legal, it's just not what the cryptocurrency people want, so they want the SEC to make it easier for them.

And given that we've seen exchange after exchange fail to perform basic tasks like "don't commingle customer funds," I have a hard time feeling any sympathy for cryptocurrency companies here.