skysight-inc/HackerNews huggingface dataset:
Absolutely. It is borderline salacious. Honestly didn't feel too good watching so many people opine on matters they had no real data on and insult people; also the employees of openai announcing matters on twitter or wtv in tabloid style.

I hope people apologize to Ilya for jumping to conclusions.
They were using it to evade law enforcement while flouting regulations. It's highly unethical and almost certainly illegal.
So there's honor among thieves.
Oberon-2 was the first programming language that we learned in school, back in 2002. We used Pow! as IDE (http://www.fim.uni-linz.ac.at/pow/pow.htm). Good times, implementing sorting algorithms, Turing machines, and various backtracking algorithms.
And ofc playing GTA 2 when the teacher wasn't looking.
Not a chance. Nobody can drink that much Kool-Aid. That said, the mere fact that people can unironically come to this conclusion has driven some of my recent posting to HN, and here's another example.
Great summary.

We are very complicated creatures and things get out of control, both internally and externally. My armchair opinion is that they started to believe that all of it is so advanced and important, that they lost a bit of a grip on reality. Sutskever imagining planet covered with data centers and solar panels shows me that [0]. Every single person is limited in his/her view - I get a strange feeling when listening to him in this video. Also, they are not the only people left on this planet. Fortunately, this task of creating AI/AGI is not a task for a pack of ten, trying to save us from harm. Still, it may and probably will get rough. /rant

[0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9iqn1HhFJ6c
I'd be much more concerned about what this offer indicates regarding the new goodies that the shadow side of the US government has leveraged out of Binance.

In the long run, I'd wager the US government will be getting information and services worth a good deal more than USD4Billion out of Binance and ancillary organizations.

Still, if you can make as much money as Binance has allegedly been making, and sure, sell out a few of your customers, but now you can keep all that money free and clear legally? That's a pretty good trade assuming you're not some privacy nut or anything.

As a bonus, the shadow side of the US government will probably be pretty keen on protecting you from any of your less savory customers. Just so they can keep the whole thing rolling as long as possible.

This could be a good outcome for Binance.
I just had to download a 69 GB database to my laptop of CAD design files (mostly libraries). I'm glad I have 1 Gbit download speeds, but peers aren't so lucky. Granted, if IT saw remote employees downloading TBs of data it should really raise red flags.
That is one of the greatest risks, because while you may agree to give them your biometrics for air travel, you may not agree to do it for another purpose, but it's too late at the point where they already have it.

It effectively means that if I don't want them to potentially give it to LEOs, I have to opt out of any services they are gatekeeping behind it.

That's not a slippery slope argument, it's an argument that there is no way for me to review how the information they collect is actually being used.
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> Boosting this deeply nested interesting comment from @alephnerd to the top level

Please don't do this - for many reasons, including that it makes merging the comments a pain.

If you or anyone notices a comment that deserves to be at the top level (and doesn't lose context if moved), let us know at hn@ycombinator.com and we'll move it.
> Normal people don't burn a multi billion dollar company to the ground with a spontaneous decision either.

Has OpenAI been burnt to the ground?
I'm not aware of these things being well documented but I'd appreciate a link.

And I'm just trying to say what I've observed. I'm explicitly saying that this is black box probing. I'm not sure these are the causal variables making the changes but they seem to correlate. I've said there are other effects than VPN too, like clearing cache and changing browsers. It is definitely a weird feeling to open a page in multiple browsers and see different prices. You're right, I do not know what's going on but I'm not lying nor am I alone in seeing these things.
> lots of people want to select their seats, check their bags, buy food, etc. and are willing to pay for it

"willing to pay for it" is a odd way to phrase this. Of course people need to do all those things, but we are now forced to pay extra for these basics. All of which used to simply be part of the ticket price.
Why have people involved at all? Use computer simulations, and agree to follow the results of simulation.

See the Star Trek ToS episode "A Taste of Armageddon".

Those fighting are only the edge of a very long spear. Supply chain, food, paperwork, industry all play a role. Quoting Neal Stephenson from "Cryptonomicon":

"The United States Military (Waterhouse has decided) is first and foremost an unfathomable network of typists and file clerks, secondarily a stupendous mechanism For moving stuff from one part of the world to another, and last and least a fighting organization."

This proposal looks at only the least important part, fighting.

Norden was 40 years old when he started working on his eponymous bombsight, and 50 when he developed the Mark XV. The bombsight was a force multiplier of the young men of the bomber crews that would not be captured in a young-people-only game.

Games are designed for fun. One way is by designing for balance so the skill of the players can stand out. But wars are rarely against balanced sides. If you invade a country, the citizens of the country know the land better and have shorter supply chains. Neither the USSR nor US did that well in Afghanistan. The US did not do well in Vietnam.

Why would a country under threat of invasion give up that advantage by switching to an e-sport competition?
And these are the people who have great say over AI safety. Jesus. Whoever thought that egomaniacs and profiteers would guide us to a bright AI future?
Sue Sam for what? They fired him and he got amother job with another company. thats on them for firing him in a state with law prohibiting noncompete clauses
I’m pretty sure Clippy is AGI. Always has been.
All research that validates that you can't trust statistical models to generate controlled results is good research.

Using anthropomorphic language to frame that behavior, like "misalignment" and "deception" is just exhausting and needless.

Of course LLM's sometimes generate texts you don't want even when you instruct them otherwise, because they were trained on countless examples of texts where instructions were ignored or defied. Reproducing more texts that look like training data is what they're optimized to do.

But even with the crappy framing, it's good to have that pattern formally explored and documented!
If tips don't put you above minimum wage, does Doordash need to top you up? Or is that part of the appeal of being a contractor - that you can get paid below minimum wage legally?
More confusion - Emmett Shear is a close friend of Sam Altman. He was part of the original 2005 YCombinator class alongside Altman, part of the justin.tv mafia, and later a part-time partner at YCombinator. I don't think he has any such close ties to Dustin Moskovitz. Why would the Dustin-leaning OpenAI board install him as interim CEO?

This whole thing still seems to have the air of a pageant to me, where they're making a big stink for drama but it might be manufactured by all of the original board, with Sam, Ilya, Adam, and potentially others all on the same side.
the impression I got was that they started out with honest intentions and they were more or less infiltrated by Microsoft. this recent news fits that narrative
> There is no profit in AI safety

AI safety is barely even a tangible thing to measure like that. It's mostly just fears and a lose set of ideas for a hypothetical future AGI that we're not even close to.

So far OpenAI's "controls" it's just increasingly expanding the list of no-no things topics and some philosophy work around iRobot type rules. They also slow walked the release of GPT because of fears of misinformation, spam, and deepfakey stuff that never really materialized.

Most proposals for safety is just "slowing development" of mostly LLMs, calls for vague gov regulation, or hand wringing over commercialization. The commercialization thing is most controversial because OpenAI claimed to be open and non-profit. But even with that the correlation between less-commercialization == more safety is not clear, other than prioritizing what OpenAI's team spends their time doing. Which again is hard to tangibly measure what that realistically means for 'safety' in the near term.
Exploring macOS Private Frameworks
One of the most admirable things I've seen done in a loooong time.

If there is another board and Ilya is not on it, I mean... ffff it.
Most of OpenAI comp is in equity… which is worth much less now
> while he was very fast to welcome Ilya back

Was he? I must have missed that in all this chaos.
> a biometric is _both_ a username & password

It's just a username. As implemented the systems only require a username. It's also not even that, it's a temporal identifier, as faces change, sometimes in ways that we all expect and sometimes, not. To the extent that we've even performed facial transplants in response to some of these cases.

If biometrics were going to work, we'd be using fingerprints already. For all the same reasons we don't use fingerprints, we won't be able to use facial identification.
Always lovely to see new Tauri apps!
Rebalance the board and it’s important that Ilya stays. But Ilya goes as collateral damage to save face, they have to, by whatever means necessary, secure Geoffrey Hinton.

It may turn out that the unusual governance model is the only way to bring about a desired outcome here without fully selling out to MS.
IIRC there were some OpenAI docs that recommended doing exactly this, make n generations and use a smaller fine tuned model to select the best one
Isn't that textbook MoE?
Musk can fire anyone who stayed.
The benefit would be getting paid a second time, by extracting a second ransom.

It doesn't have to be the whole group; perhaps one guy decides to branch out on his own, and grabs the data on his way out the door.
Very cool, I've been thinking about the need for a service like this.

Does the 22% fee you're charging mean a 22% revenue share of what the customer pays? If so... that's very expensive.
> US people log in to Binance through VPNs and get scammed

Literally the entire point of this case. DoJ seems to want CZ, personally, and for Binance to promise to root out Americans using it through a VPN. If they comply, the company can continue operating in others' markets while using the U.S. financial system.
It's interesting how LLMs are prone to similar kinds of hallucinations
Who said they didn’t have enough fuel for an alternative route? Their intended destination was Bolivia from Moscow. Can’t do that without a refuel ~midway. The next day they did a refuel in Canary Islands (Spain).
Can we safely assume that Putin's on the "it's crazy" to rewind the clock side of this debate?
"The reality is the very rich are doing phenomenally well while dollar store clerks and Amazon delivery drivers make chickenfeed" is basically a tautology. If you compare the very rich and the near destitute, yea, it's a pretty big gulf, and it's always going to be that way, by the definition of the words.

But I don't think there was ever a time when unskilled retail workers and delivery men got paid well. Minimum wage jobs have always been basically survival level pay as long as I've been alive. O'Henry stories have a vivid portrayal of NYC in 1900, and all the retail workers there were young, single women living in shared housing. Before that the unskilled work was factory work, and before that the closest comparison I can think of was apprentices. All of the stories I've read that include those people describe a standard of living no better than minimum wage work, and sometimes worse.

(Note that the farther back you go, shopkeepers tended to be owners, not employees, which is obviously very different than modern minimum wage retail work. Some, but not all, of them are described as wealthy.)
Board members are supposed to exercise diligence and prudence in their decisions. They are supposed to take into account all of the results of their actions and they are supposed to ensure that there are no conflicts of interest where their decisions benefit them outside of their role as board members (if there are they should abstain from that particular vote, assuming they want to be on the board in the first place with a potential or actual conflict of interest). Board members are ultimately accountable to the court in the jurisdiction where the company is legally established.

The thing that doesn't exist is a board that is unaccountable for their actions and if there are a thousand people downstream from your decisions that diligence and prudence translates into a duty of care and if you waltz all over that you open yourself up to liability.

It's not that you can't do it, it's that you need to show your homework in case you get challenged and if you didn't do your homework there is the potential for backlash.

Note that the board has pointedly refused to go on the record as to why they fired Altman and that by itself is a very large indicator that they did this with insufficient forethought because if they had there would be an iron clad case to protect the board from the fall out of their decision.
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> you can do wrongs and then buy your way out of it

Did you miss the part where they're still wanting to criminally charge Zhao?
I was choosing seats via EasySabre in 1986. Granted, my employer paid for a Sabre service via compuserve, but I was able to pick my own seat for free.

And when I had to book with an agent on the phone, I was able to pick not only aisle or window, but front of cabin, middle, or rear. Also for free.

Let's not normalize bullshit fees that are clearly a money grab. Kinda bizarre how many people are dissing this article and supporting airlines. I'm wondering if that's a Gen Z thing since they're used to paying service fees without realizing there are free alternatives.
In my sibling comment, I do point out some sources for English language nastiness as well.

They may not explicitly embrace it, but one could argue their erratic enforcement of the vague "community standards" is itself insufficient, if not simple lip service.
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Should Italians feel offended that Japanese businessmen adopted the western (Italian-style) suit?
I interviewed at a travel company. One thing someone said they didn't like about working there was that they're customers are really the airline and hotel chains that pay them, and anything that closes the deal at a higher price is what they'd do. UX "improvements" tested with A/B testing for sales optimization.
Noob question - why is it must to load the whole model all at once in VRAM?

Why it can't be streamed from disk layer by layer, a sliding window of it, computed, temporary results held, offloaded it back and load the next window. Repeat till whole inference is done.

Also, if these are so much repetitive calculations in nature that you need CUDA cores to compute then why the inference can't be streamed and spread across a cluster of machines each having multiple commodity GPUs where one central "conductor/orchestrator" machines collects all the results from all the cluster participants?
> but weren’t submitted by regulated financial institutions

This was detailed on an Apple support page for an app submission:

Guideline 3.1.5 - Business - Payments - Cryptocurrencies

Your app facilitates the transmission of a virtual currency but was not submitted by a corresponding exchange or recognized financial institution.

Next Steps

To resolve this issue, please provide documentary evidence demonstrating you have the necessary licenses and permissions to distribute an app with cryptocurrency exchange features in all the locations where your app is currently available.
I needed a pretty PDF with headers and footers. Markdown was not expressive enough.
Its not uncommon. Instagram and Whatsapp had CEO's after purchase, as well as DeepMind and Youtube.
This guy is like that creepy ex that told friends to talk to you so you can get back together. Instead he should stay with his microsoft friends and go on his merry way. Let’s see what ai team can the crypto currency lead, when there’s no one else’s work to steal credit from, and let’s see how open microsoft is to sucking in copyrighted material to train their little bots. Perhaps they’ll start with microsoft windows’ source code - as an example of how not to code.
It's funny because the "trickle down" metaphor has been made up by a Democrat humorist [1]. On the same note, why would you think it was made up for Republicans?

1. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trickle-down_economics
It's connected to it directly - EA demands that if you can make huge money it's "altruistic" to do so, because then you could use that money to help more people. It's a set of mental processes that help the ultra-wealthy absolve themselves of the terrible guilt of being ultra-wealthy.
> They don't care about profits.

This isn't really true in general: intelligence agencies often want access to funds with less/no oversight from (or to skirt controls enacted by) other parts of the government. As an example, that was the dynamic at the basis of the Iran-Contra affair in the US.
Time to rewrite my resume using this. If anyone knows any similar tools, please share them.
That… doesn’t seem antisemetic. Rather, it seems to criticize western Jews for supporting lax immigration and cultural policies that are against their own interests.

Or are we now saying any criticism of Jews is antisemitism?
When I read it, I was saddened that most of the fundamental errors were still happening at my workplace decades after it was written.
I expect there will be dozens of documentaries on this - all generated by Microsoft's AI powered Azure Documentary Generator.
It may not have anything to do with conceit, it could just be that they have very different objectives. OpenAI set up this board as a check on everyone who has a financial incentive in the enterprise. To me the only strange thing is that it wasn't handled more diplomatically, but then I have no idea if the board was warning Altman for a long time and then just blew their top.
1000 sheets of paper weighs 10 lbs, the 747 weighs 910,000 lbs, so there were 91 million sheets of paper describing the 747? Does not seem accurate
> OAI employees have no equity.

OpenAI employees have no equity? Well, then where exactly is that $86B of "existing employees' shares" coming from?

> ChatGPT creator OpenAI is in talks to sell existing employees' shares at an $86 billion valuation, Bloomberg News reported on Wednesday, citing people with knowledge of the matter.

https://www.reuters.com/technology/openai-talks-sell-shares-...

https://www.reuters.com/technology/openais-86-bln-share-sale...

A random OpenAI eng job page clearly states: "Total compensation also includes generous equity and benefits."

https://openai.com/careers/software-engineer-leverage-engine...
> no way that this board decision...is going to survive absent a very clear and unambiguous reason that shows that their only remedy was to fire the CEO

The simplest explanation is Altman said he wasn't going to do something and then did it. At that point, even a corporate board would have cause for termination. Of course, the devil is in the details, and I doubt we'll have any of them this week. But more incredulous than the board's decision is the claim that it owes any duty to its for-profit subsidiary's employees, who aren't even shareholders, but some profit-sharing paper's holders.
A bit tongue in cheek, but perhaps titles should have time stamps so we know what is new vs old.
> It's all about diligence and prudence.

Diligience and prudence apply to the things to which they actually are obligated in the first place, which the employees’ livelihood beyond contracted pay and benefits for the time actually worked simply is not included in.
And not even a unique user name. Twins and other relatives can pass for each other.
Yeah, eh? MS just literally offered all OpenAI employees jobs. And most of them seem to want to follow Sam Altman regardless of whether it's at OpenAI or MS. Altman has already joined MS. I'm speechless.

Apologies.
Exactly. And, to be clear, this is a pretty minor violation of that principle of favoring re-use of elements, and it’s also not the case that violating it’s always a mistake. I just think it’s (along with some other cues) why a lot of people assumed it was the equatorial trench. We knew of one trench, and it hadn’t really served any trench-related purpose yet, so… why wouldn’t it be that one?
> The only question is whether to plan in advance to build a throwaway, or to promise to deliver the throwaway to customers. Seen this way, the answer is much clearer.

It's not that clear! Perhaps you will only learn the lessons of why the throwaway version sucked by delivering it to customers. And it might buy you a lot of time, perhaps multiples of the initial time to get the pilot working.

Brooks has a point, but it may have been more true in the days of shrink-wrap software than SaaS and continuous updates.

I'd argue that it's more important to build an institution capable of retaining knowledge. The worst results are when the pilot system sucks and a whole new team is brought in to build the second version. They'll inevitably start building their pilot version, which sucks, and repeat until management gets sick of funding new teams for the same project (I feel this happens disproportionately in banking for some reason). Instead, you need to keep substantially the same team around to fix their mistakes in the second version.
We watch H2fly in very carefully! They are a really impressive company and their recent flight with liquid hydrogen is inspirational, and really motivates us. I believe we have some different fuel cell technology but the main difference is that we plan to develop the SA-1 as a clean sheet air frame that will be optimised for this new fuel type and propulsion system. H2fly are aiming to sell propulsion systems, perhaps we could be partners one day if their system performs better than ours.
Also: https://thefederalist.com/2023/11/16/fbi-cdc-ignored-concern...

HN thread from July: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36931537
The computer gives you, the consumer, a lot of power. You can very easily comparison shop - not simply view the cost of flights from every other provider on the same day, but also a day or two earlier/later, and if you are flexible, a week or month later. You can mix airlines, or plan open jaws. You can see the price of a rental car for all or part of the trip. Before travel was sold online, you went to a travel agent and had far fewer options.
What kind of abuse are you imagining? Presumably with this system, the TSA agent's query is like: "Does this person's photo match the photo for the identity they are claiming to be?", and not do something like compare your face to every other person's face and return the most likely identity for your face.

So, in that instance, your evil twin could steal your ID and travel as you, but they could do that before this system was in place anyway.
Other signal will be fused in. Otherwise, you’re counting on the possession of your government credentials as the control. You could just as easily swap IDs.

Leakage is expected, leading to iteration on edge cases. Some leakage will always be inevitable, no system is perfect.

The legal system is the final recourse mechanism if malicious activity (identity fraud) is detected.
Sure!

https://www.mediamatters.org/twitter/pro-hitler-and-holocaus...

This seems like merely ineptitude rather than malice, but it happened.