skysight-inc/HackerNews huggingface dataset:
I think you'd be better served making moral arguments rooted in ethical principles that people adhere to in real life, not science fiction.

This is especially important when you consider how unethical the Prime Directive itself is as a principle, and how often Star Trek portrays violating it as the morally superior choice.

The position you're advancing here seems to infantilize people in rural areas and undeveloped nations, and aims to deny them the agency to make their own choices about how to fit modern technology into their lives and communities. It sounds like a modern variation on "noble savage" and "white man's burden" notions -- not exactly a good look.
They were very transparent that a purely non-profit structure wouldn't be able to pay for the amount of compute required. Their progress lately was a direct result of the restructuring and investment.
you have to show how a significant faction of the consumers are being harmed. You're going to have a tough time with that one.

I'm not a lawyer and can't speak to what qualifies as anti-competitive behavior in a legal sense. Qualitatively, Web Extensions Manifest v3 and Web Environment Integrity are clearly harmful to consumers in my opinion. The first significantly hinders ad blockers, and the second kicks down the ladder on building search engines and hinders competition in that space. Other browsers using Chromium as a base doesn't change the fact that Google almost unilaterally controls it, and Google has made it extraordinarily clear that they're interested in making decisions that prioritize their own best interests over those of their users. I don't see why Chromium being open source would absolve any responsibility here, especially when the open source project in question primarily exists to serve the interests of the profit center of a mega-corp. I deeply support open source software, and I'm glad that Chromium is open source, but being open source doesn't excuse behavior that is against the interests of users whether it qualifies as illegal or not.
An unnecessarily kind way to coat the dark pattern that fuzzes the BATNA.
It sounds like you're starting from preconcieved beliefs and then working backwards to determine how you'll interpret the validity of new information based on how they conform to your beliefs.
The LDS church has owned for-profit entities for decades. Check out the "City Creek Center.
Posted as a sneak preview (https://www.houstonmono.com) with a cheeky mockup graphic of

"ALTMAN & BROCKMAN CORPORATION

- a subsidiary of Microsoft Inc."
I believe a precondition for Sam and Greg returning to OpenAI is that the board gets restructured (decelerationists culled). That is probably good for MSFT.
The EIC doesn't exist because of some Randian ethos at the heart of American politics, and I believe most Democrats and some Republicans are in favor of reform, but you actually have to pass a law to get reform, and unfortunately that has resulted for the last 20+ years in a complete breakdown of our system.

I see our social safety net abused on a daily basis on my role, and I also am keenly aware that both parties use it as a campaigning tool, because single moms in the city working two jobs either receive too much, or too little government support, depending on who is campaigning for what.

We really need to start making goal-focused policy decisions in the US, especially when it comes to social support and education. When I read about the justification for the strong social safety net in many parts of Europe, it doesn't sound like a socialist hellscape to me, it sounds like common sense.
Waiting for the timeline where he both tries to return as CEO and take the job at MS.
>we are all going to work together some way or other, and i’m so excited.

I think this means Sam is pushing for OpenAI to be acquired by Microsoft officially now, instead of just unofficially poaching everyone.
In regards to

> Very few are talking about Adam D'Angelo's insane conflicts of interest

I think most of HN has been focusing on Ilya, but after he flipped, I think that leaves Adam as our prime suspect
This comes up a lot but I never get tired of answering it. There might not be anything about Rust that is interesting to you personally but generally the benefits are different depending on what language you're coming from:

If you're coming from C/C++/C# you get very good memory guarantees, a standard library that is very well fleshed out, a well supported package manager and a fairly robust (though a bit immature still) ecosystem.

If you're coming from Java or Golang, you have the benefit that now your code can be consumed by other languages. You also get the memory guarantees, better error handling ergonomics, and in the case of Java the ecosystem is much higher quality and safer (at least in my extensive experience).

From Java specifically (and any of its derived languages), you loose all the operational and memory problems that come with just starting the JVM.

If you're coming from Python, Ruby, JavaScript the biggest benefit is probably performance but you get all the benefits that Java and Golang do as these are also dead end languages.

There is a lot of quality of life, safety, security, and performance benefits but what matters the most to YOU is going to largely depend on where you're coming from, what you want to build in it, and what your priorities are. It legitimately isn't for everyone, but its a VERY good choice as a default language.
I couldn’t make up a more ridiculous plot even if I tried.

At this rate I wouldn’t be surprised if Musk got involved. It’s already ridiculous enough, why not.
OOOOO you just got 360 noscoped at the end, bow to me, your country is now mine!
Like the other comment said. There's also a time element. Who wants to take four flights, get stuck in an airport, and possible lost luggage when Spirit has a direct flight.
I don’t follow the logic.

How does climate change increase the need for AGI?
> - Tasha McCauley represents the Centre for the Governance of AI, which Dustin Moskovitz gave a $1M grant to via Open Philanthropy

Dustin Moskovitz is worth 13.5B. It seems like a $1M grant would be so inconsequential he might not have even realized it was given, and is probably within the range of what employees at Open Philanthropy could do with the most minor of sign-offs.

You make it sound like there is an inherent relationship or obligation there, and there just wouldn't be at those dollar ranges.

The overall ethical priorities of Tomer/McCauley/Moskovitz are clearly aligned, but that doesn't mean he would need to be behind the curtain pulling any strings.
Remaining curious how D’Angelo has escaped scrutiny over his apparent conflict of interests and as the “independent” board member with a clear commercial board background.
Münsterland - https://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/M%C3%BCnsterland#Q7920 - with Münster as the largest city.
So, is the pressure of 700/770 employees enough to crack the board? What a wild timeline.
It wasn't an ad hominem, it was illustrating how you're side-stepping the actual point being made to cry foul about something different.

To underscore it one more time, we both agree that there are other mechanisms like NDAs that protect IP. However, when used in conjunction with the inevitable disclosure doctrine, these prevent someone from being hired by a competitor. So they are doing the same thing as NCAs in the vein of the OP. If the end is the same (prevent hiring by a competitor to protect IP), your point is a pedantic distinction without a difference. If you disagree, you need to provide a rationale as to why an NDA + inevitable disclosure scenario shouldn't be allowed to prevent hiring by a competitor.

Levandowski's trial was settled before it concluded, so it doesn't really prove much in terms of legality, other than the term "trade secret" is nebulous and companies will use whatever is at their disposal to protect IP. One of the takeaways for many companies is that they need to rigorously pursue NDAs with their employees which, again, would have the same potential consequence as NCAs when inevitable disclose exists.

Your whole argument belies a misunderstanding of IP law.

"If an employee knows trade secrets, they should be paid not to move"

(except, knowledge doesn't equate to IP rights)

"Other mechanisms exist to protect IP"

(yes, except some of those mechanism also prevent being hired by competitors, so it doesn't really do much in terms of changing the outcome in the cases pertinent to this discussion)

"It's dumb to have McDonalds employees sign NCAs"

(smart legislators have already addressed this by refusing to enforce NCAs for lower-salaried employees who aren't at risk of exposing trade secrets)

Rinse and repeat, ad nauseum because you either aren't getting the distinction or don't want to understand it so you can 'stand by your words'.
Thank you for explaining that so well! I wasn't sure exactly how to phrase it.
truly a Win-Win-Win-Win-Win situation for MSFT
A bagger would be about the right relative proportions. We just need a couple on permanent standby near every major waterway.
Useless statistics displayed out of pure ignorance because you, like most people here, don't live there, haven't lived there and have no knowledge of the history or political context.

I wish you could do even a hint of research to spew this pathetic apologia.
Board members can remove other board members with a majority vote.

Sam, Greg, and Ilya were presumed guaranteed to be the same team, which meant they couldn't be removed (3/6 votes).

Ilya switched sides to align with all 3 of the non-founding board members, giving them 4/6 votes, which they used to remove Sam and Greg.

Now that they've been removed, there's 4 remaining board members: the non-founding 3 and Ilya. They'll need 3/4 votes to reorganize the board.
Integer arithmetic[1] is complex enough to suffer from either inconsistency or incompleteness and we're foolish enough to think we can have consistency and completeness with respect to a predicate logic for drugs?

It's insane that we keep duking it out because someone can't admit that they've inadvertently misidentified their subjective ontological reality for that of some external symbolic universe. See every other fight over definitions.

1. First order, finite number of axioms
I wanted to be a Disney imagineer or an inventor.

I guess it's similar-ish. On a good day. If you squint, with the lights off.
As my mother used to say, we'll see...
We already have driving tests, have them pass those, and if those tests aren't stringent enough then the tests need fixing, for humans and robots alike.
As of 10am PT, 700 of 770 employees have signed the call for board resignation. [1]

[1] https://twitter.com/joannejang/status/1726667504133808242
Galaxy S5 released in 2014[0]: Water proof, replaceable/removable battery, small, wireless charging, headphone socket, microSD card & sim card slot.

[0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samsung_Galaxy_S5
... in November of 2022.
Isn't what Mira and Ilya did was a classical "sitting on the fence" movement, which would be hated by both sides of any power struggle? It's kinda similar to Prigozhin stopped his coup right at the outskirt of Moscow.
How far into this timeline of promises do you get before coming to the realization that nobody is this stupid, so the only other option left is lying for profit?

https://motherfrunker.ca/fsd/
Sam and Greg are no longer on the board. They were removed with the support of Ilya. The board is now Ilya, the Quora CEO, and two other outsiders.
The XML comparison is stinging, considering XMLs modern popularity. Is it a case of what's new is old?
By pressuring them to resign.

The way things are looking, OpenAI won't exist next week if the board doesn't resign. Everyone will quit and join Sam.
They will lose employees and will have to offer more to the new ones.

The state will stop bleeding so much cash.
Now the 3 boardmembers can kick out Ilya too. So must be sorry.

Fill the rest of the board with spouses and grandparents and are set for life?
I thought the speculation was that McCauley was the government agent, not Toner?
Some carriers offer free additional SIM cards for devices such as laptops or tablets that draw from the same data allowance as the main SIM card.

Mine doesn't, and I only work in places that have good Wi-Fi, but I bet there's more than enough people that feel differently.

After all, somebody must be buying these iPads with mobile data modems, or Apple would have discontinued them.
The nice thing, is we won't have to wait that long to see how this comment ages.

My prediction, over the next 2 years: There are going to be some rough patches to iron out, just like Model X. Then things are going to improve going forward. Eventually, production will be in excess of 100k/year. Every Cybertruck built will be sold.

We'll see who gets it right.
Minor yet important typo.

"Crocodile icefish frequent brutally cold portions of the sea where the water temperature can plummet all the way down to 28.5 degrees Fahrenheit (1.9 degrees Celsius). That's below the point at which fresh water freezes."

28.5F is minus -1.94C
> are building AGI

Well, probably not anymore.
Part of the problem is you don't necessarily understand the problem domain very well when you're starting out. There are plenty of examples of microservice architecture failures due to incorrectly dividing services- either causing too much internal communication for performance acceptance criteria, or struggling with service coordination when performing changes that impact multiple relationships.

You may well end up throwing away some or many of your early microservices as you grow and the company better understands what it wants to build.

Or, you can take another approach (which i have witnessed first hand), throw it all away and go back to a regular, well designed monolith and getting very significant performance improvements by doing things like SQL joins and transactions instead of putting events in a message queue and paying network traffic penalties.
"You need to reboot your Microsoft AGI. Do you want to do it now or now?"
Which is a useless statement with dynamic pricing. It's ONLY there to put pressure on the visitor.
It seems like the deal would be more like probation where Binance would remain monitored after paying the fine:

"If Binance and the DOJ agree on a deferred-prosecution-agreement, the Justice Department would file a criminal complaint against the company. The US would not go forward with a prosecution as long as the company meets prescribed conditions, which usually include paying a substantial penalty and agreeing to a detailed statement of facts outlining its wrongdoing. A process would be set up to monitor the company’s compliance."

Also there might be personal criminal charges against CZ:

"Negotiations between the Justice Department and Binance include the possibility that its founder Changpeng Zhao would face criminal charges in the US under an agreement to resolve the probe into alleged money laundering, bank fraud and sanctions violations, according to people familiar with the discussions.

"Zhao, also known as “CZ,” is residing in the United Arab Emirates, which doesn’t have an extradition treaty with the US, but that doesn’t prevent him from coming voluntarily."

LOL at the "coming voluntarily" part though...
Tabloids are not waiting till the situation is clear.
Can you give me the exact dates and flight times so I can validate this?
I don't actually think (2) is part of the razor[1]. If it is, then it doesn't make sense because (1) is an absolute (i.e. "never") which is always evaluated boolean "true", therefore statement (2) is never actually executed and is dead code.

Nevertheless I agree with you and think (2) is wise to always keep in mind. I love Hanlon's Razor but people definitely should take it literally as written and/or as law.

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon%27s_razor
I would love such legislation to exist in the States. Netherlands has similar legislation. For a long time it’s why I used airbnb.com.au to search for listings.

It would also neatly solve the extremely annoying problem of tax not being included in the total listing.

I don’t care if it’s “hard” for sellers. There are already existing softwares like TaxJar that help with this. It should be a cost of doing business
WSG, Windows Subsystem for GPT
Three non-cubical applications of extension types
This sounds like a difference without a distinction assuming non apocalyptic scenarios.
Why does the volume of a hypersphere decrease in higher dimensions?
Scientists are easily blindsided by psychos dealing with enormous amounts of money and power. They also happen to suck at politics.
Ilya's latest tweet speaks for itself. Nothing about this was professional -

"I deeply regret my participation in the board's actions. I never intended to harm OpenAI. I love everything we've built together and I will do everything I can to reunite the company."

https://twitter.com/ilyasut/status/1726590052392956028?t=DjA...
How much money should be spent?
He could do both, like Jack Dorsey or Elon. It would be a bit different because of how stuff is going from OpenAI to Microsoft but that can of worms is already open.
> Being "out on the streets" because you don't have a job is hardly a "remote possibility". It's a virtual certainly unless you have a massive cash hoard built up.

It's not a virtual certainty. Not even close. The rate of homelessness in the US in 2022 was 0.18%. https://endhomelessness.org/homelessness-in-america/homeless...

Few people have a "massive cash hoard" built up, yet lots of people lose their jobs. And if you're willing to work "BS jobs for random spending money", as the OP said, then you probably won't remain unemployed for long.
not often that you get the same team competing over you this hard.

the excitement is palpable.
Longtermism strikes again! Somehow the future is considered more important to think about than the steps we need to take today to reach that future. Or any future, really.
Thank you for summarizing the facts.

It takes some self-discipline to avoid riding this wave.
It's unlikely that macros will be supported. Regarding editors, it's unlikely that effort on the advertised Roc editor will start in earnest some time soon. I actually recently merged an LSP implementation into the mainline compiler ([details on how to integrate here](https://roc.zulipchat.com/#narrow/stream/304902-show-and-tel...)), and that's likely to develop more in the near future, before a standalone Roc editor is available.
OAI is dead.

In the name of safety, the board has gifted OAI to MS. Even Ilya wants to jump ship now that the ship is sinking (I'll be real interesting if Sama even lets him on board the MS money train).

Calling this a win for AI safety is ludicrous. OAI is dead in all be name, MS basically now owns 100% of OAI (the models, the source, and now the team) for pennies on the dollar.
The thing that has always bothered me about the Death Star is what a lethal place it was to work. Wrong turn and you plunge down a vent to space. Open the wrong door and you’ll be fighting for your life in a garbage compactor.
What website or company was this exactly?
Even if Sam @ MSFT was a massive bluff, Satya is in a win-win-win scenario. OpenAI can't exactly continue doing anything without Azure Compute.

OpenAI implodes? Bought the talent for virtually nothing.

OpenAI 2.0 succeeds? Cool, still invested.

I think in reality, Sam @ MSFT is not an instant success. Even with the knowledge and know-how, this isn't just spinning up a new GPT-4-like model. At best, they're ~12 months behind Anthropic (but probably still 2 years ahead of Google).
I guess. I usually have a small enough one that I can squeeze under the seat. Even when I've had larger items that need to go overhead, the majority of the times it's within one row of where I'm sitting. The ones where I have to put it far away are the exception.
Hey I've seen this one, it's a rerun

https://www.theverge.com/2023/3/24/23654701/openai-elon-musk...

- "But by early 2018, says Semafor, Musk was worried the company was falling behind Google. He reportedly offered to take direct control of OpenAI and run it himself but was rejected by other OpenAI founders including Sam Altman, now the firm’s CEO, and Greg Brockman, now its president."
> a few miles of subway in the LA metro area, for example, costs on the order of double digit billions and takes a decade plus

Then don't build trains - busses work fine.

> In huge areas of the country where it's snowy in the winter, e-bikes are a non-starter

I live in Denver - it's fine.

I don't hear feasibility concerns in your arguments - I hear convenience concerns. How I interpret this is that you, and many other people in the world, prioritize convenience above all else.

I understand why, but we must come to the realization that we're taking the side of convenience over everything else: decrease in safety, increased electrical consumption, increased congestion, increased pollution, increased noise, etc.
Two reactions: on one hand, it's nice that I don't have to tether and waste my phone battery – it's a good use of Apple putting things on-die; on the other hand, I don't need another source of tracking. Perhaps I'd err on the side of caution and disconnect the antenna.
Good observation, they are not mentioned because those features are not implemented and there's no browser extension for the product.

At the moment product does one thing - VPN for whole system.
I love this letter posted in Wired along with the claim that it has 600 signatories without any links or screenshots. I also love that not a single OpenAI employee was interviewed for this article.

None of this is important because if we’ve learned anything over the past couple of days it’s that media outlets are taking painstaking care to accurately report on this company.
> Work in a transaction has other benefits too. Postgres’ NOTIFY respects transactions, so the moment a job is ready to work a job queue can wake a worker to work it, bringing the mean delay before work happens down to the sub-millisecond level.

Oban just went the opposite way, removing the use of database triggers for insert notifications and moving them into the application layer instead[1]. The prevalence of poolers like pgbouncer, which prevent NOTIFY ever triggering, and the extra db load of trigger handling wasn't worth it.

[1]: https://github.com/sorentwo/oban/commit/7688651446a76d766f39...
So there's a theory/program that will end poverty (because the brilliant minds in economics thought of/simulated/tested it?) but politicians won't allow it to be implemented? I'm not implying anything with that question, please answer directly.
You see no use case for LLMs? I've successfully used GPT4 to actually transcribe hundreds of pages of PDF documents with actual accuracy. That alone is worth something. Not to mention I can now literally ask questions from these pages and come up with cited, reasonable answers in a few seconds. This is amazing technology. How can you not see the use case?
Children cannot spend the money themselves. You will give the money to parents. How much are you willing to give?
"Three Strikes" and you deserve to starve? Seems a little harsh.
Because LLMs just mimic human communication based on massive amounts of human generated data and have 0 actual intelligence at all.

It could be a first step, sure, but we need many many more breakthroughs to actually get to AGI.
But probably better for Sam to stay with OpenAI right? More power leading your own firm than being an employee of MSFT
You nailed it. The real villain in this story is mutability. We're addicted to changing variables in place, which is inherently complex – especially so in multithreaded environments. Environment variables are clearly best treated as immutable. Rust, despite its advances in some areas, perpetuates our addiction to mutable variables.
Did they really make $80 billion from the alleged wrongdoings? Or is that just their total profit?
MySQL now has a stable release branch for 8.0
they were never any closer to building AGI than they were to inventing a perpetual motion machine