skysight-inc/HackerNews huggingface dataset:
That's about outcomes. But intent matters and I don't think Ilya had the intent of blowing up OpenAI though how he could not see that coming is something that I fail to understand. You don't pull a palace revolution like that without a plan on what you will do if it succeeds.
Around 0.0000005 species per year.
I simply purchased stocks on the free market so that I could become wealthy. Others were not so wise /s
I've seen plenty of similar dumb things happen at small, growing companies. Driven by personal problems, overconfidence, etc.

What's only surprising here is it blew up at a massive company. But then again, the board governance setup was the least aligned with the business for any org this size.
If you don't want to smear Sam in public you don't cite him not being candid as the reason he's leaving.

They certainly could have communicated better, but most of the actually good reasons are stuff you wouldn't expect a board to disclose, like "we told you not to do this large unannounced deal with a publicly listed company that we intend to totally renegotiate" or or "you lied about how much this tech sucks" or "you keep lying about this in-progress initiative we haven't announced yet and don't intend to launch in your departure notice"
> eager evaluation is a big improvement

Does it have any support for laziness?
E.g. could one define the list of all fibonacci numbers similarly to Haskell's

fib = let f a b = a : f b (a+b) in f 0 1
> Outside Amazon, Google and MS, who actually has the hardware, even if you have the money?

nVidia, and others as well. But they'd rather use it for something more worthwhile than a dumb hallucinating parrot.
Bats don't use their for penetration – so what's it for?
Is it safe to build with OpenAI API now thatAltman is gone?
Or will Azure OpenAI API be the one to get more future updates?

Ideally, I'd just transition to an open-source model like Llama, but the quality difference for my use case is staggering
I wouldn’t be surprised if we saw some leaks of weights
> it would take an extraordinary mind

They could've asked ChatGPT for hints.
Inversion's interests and the artist's interests aren't always aligned. Think of it as a founder using their VC's lawyer for everything. Not. Smart.
Gotta protect your ad revenue some how...
Re: Euros, I think that comes down to their trade being Brazil, China, and the United States:

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1331248/main-trade-partn...

Pegging to the yuan might be the more interesting option since that has considerable risk but also I’d imagine China would look very favorably on it.
> - Ilya may have been partially motivated by ego

Interesting comment, given this: https://twitter.com/ilyasut/status/1707752576077176907
Gotta protect that ad revenue some how...
Don't listen to him, he's an ignoramus.
With Azure, XBox, Github, Office, npm, Visual Studio Code, .NET, Java alone, and now OpenAI knowledge, everyone that thinks Windows matters is living in the past.

They could turn WSL into the return of Xenix, and their market position would hardly change.

Satya really did it, cloud and services.
Speaking as both a knower of French and also a knower of information networks, there are two answers...

1. If your proposed scenario includes bilingual data that contains, explicitly or implicitly, translatory relationships between parts of the two languages: the part of the graph that relates inputs to outputs, which is in english, is on the other side of the part of the graph that relates french to english from the part of the graph that takes in french input. So getting from the french input to some output passes through a kind of translation (this may not be a translation between languages but a translation between characteristics, which ends up accomplishing the same thing. see number 2 next).

2. Even if the scenario does _not_ include bilingual texts, French vocabulary is quite proximal to English vocabulary (you can get reasonably far in understanding french purely through strained cognate relationships to an english thesaurus), and the relationship between French questioning and answering grammar is similarly proximal to the relationship between English questioning and answering grammar. So again the same translatory connections can be found even purely by analog, just with some more input data. If you'd said two fundamentally dissimilar languages, like English and Chinese, then that could be different in this second case, but you didn't.

This feels kind of like asking why a pocket calculator is able to answer questions about decimal arithmetic when it only knows how to do binary math, when it also happens to encode relationships between binary and decimal numeric representation.
...except that in OpenAI case it's supernova kind of "burning platform"
College enrollment increased between 2000 and 2010, however it's been basically flat or slightly down since then.

If you look at the monthly stats, the labor force participation rates for the younger groups seems like it goes down sharply with recessions and doesn't recover much. https://fred.stlouisfed.org/graph/?g=1bBX7

The monthly data also makes it clear that this isn't a smooth trend over decades.
I doubt MS could've purposefully engineered this chaotic "debacle". There is just too many potentially hard to control risk involved. Of course it is actually safe to assume that once this happened they did everything to to gain as much from this as possible.

Since they are the most rational and capable actor in this whole situation it's not at all surprising that they ended up being in a better position than everyone else.
> The interesting question is that now that things are a little bit settled what should we expect.

I know you said “a little bit”, but I really don’t think things are settled at all. If the outcome of this is that Sam goes back to OpenAI and a new board is somehow assembled, that will mean very different things than the outcome where Sam, Greg and a majority of OpenAI’s staff migrate to Microsoft. And the actual outcome could be neither of those. We’re in a very weird situation, I don’t think we can really predict the future yet.
And then?

Imagine the headlines, "MS Guts OpenAI for Putting Ethics over Profit." That's how it would spin, eh?
Which is kind of funny in a way. I am no artist but I'm using Krita with a smallish Wacom tablet to manually refine illustrations generated by Stable Diffusion.

But again, some of the Krita team have had strong ideological positions on many themes. Luckily you can keep using the software whether you agree or not (and you can contribute, too).
Naive question: Isn't it made up move by Microsoft and Altman and others? Microsoft buying OpenAI would raise so many questions regarding the future of AI. Doing it this way it looks more like they had internal problems/differences and M$ came in to help? But what with the billions of M$ investments in OpenAI? If this company dies it means all investments are gone? Or am I missing some information here?
yes that's what they should do. best course for everyone except MSFT
A thought experiment to illustrate the incoherence of OpenAI's structure. Imagine a company called ProfitAI, a company without any limits on profit and returns, and thus able to raise much more money then OpenAI and using that money to license the base models from OpenAI. Microsoft played the role of ProfitAI here. The non-profit structure only served to ensure that someone else would make the profits.
Airlines will make $118B in extra fees
Abingdon is such a weird little place, having alternated for a few thousand years between “important place” and “shit hole”. Currently some amazing old ruins, a very impressive 17th century townhall, surrounded by some truly dreary suburbs and some properly urban hell shopping malls. Wouldn’t surprise me if it somehow managed to outlive nearby Oxford.
It feels like a weird divorce to me, where one side of the couple wants kids and the other side wants to party and go to Tahiti every couple months.

Before this, they were able to make things work - until someone said the quiet things out loud, and now they’re clearly going their separate ways while going ‘wtf just happened’.
Yea, I also haven't noticed any speed issues, but I do use noscript exclusively on Firefox.
As other companies, a petition by 500 of 100K employees is big news.
What baby?

I am not even a tiny bit convinced that Copyright is helping us reach that goal. I can, however, find a dozen ways it is doing the opposite.
> It’s Amazing how fast Satya acted

Do we know if they acted that fast, or is it not possible that they've already been negotiating for months to hire the key staff and that Sam got fired when the board found out?
If you're going to propose to rework the entirety of US fiscal policy, please actually recognize what you are proposing and treat it seriously.

National debt is a primary tool to support growth.
We can have a @depreciate decorator to make this easy. When that decorator is used on a function it will begin the annoyances.
It's _a_ server, a single-core one at that.

I get that HN takes pride in the amount of traffic that poor server can handle, but scaling out is long overdue. Every time there's a small surge of traffic like today, the site becomes unusable.
I think this is probably the right take -- that Sam was getting more credit than others felt he deserved, and because of that attention maybe was not treating everyone with the respect they felt they deserved -- but this struck me as odd: "So, Ilya .... decided to take him out. [T]hey gave us some EA reasoning about how "scared" they were about what Sam was pursuing..."

Did they? I never heard any "EA" reasoning, or any reasoning at all from the board beyond their statement that he was insufficiently candid.
Aren't/weren't the people running OpenAI ideologically opposed to "too capable" opensource LLM models due to various safety concerns?

> and its training data

I'm not sure you can opensource something you don't actually hold any copyright to..
>Instead, he proposed a “work bonus” plan that passed as the EITC in 1975, the first program to exclude the poorest Americans from government assistance by phasing in benefits alongside earned income.

EITC was not initially designed as welfare, rather it was "supposed to be a temporary refundable tax credit for lower-income workers to offset the Social Security payroll tax and rising food and energy prices."[0]

TFA misses the blindingly obvious "wrong way" of providing income to poverty-level residents, which is to implement it via the income tax system. This unfairly burdens the IRS with enforcement of rules that actually have little to do with income tax, and leads to such things as accusations of racist audits when in fact an EITC audit is a very different thing from, say, an audit of business income and expenses (an EITC audit usually has more to do with eligibility of, and who gets to claim, dependents).[1]

[0]https://www.epi.org/publication/ib370-earned-income-tax-cred...

[1]It is true that some taxpayers try to cheat on self-employment (business) income to maximize their EITC (either by over-reporting or under-reporting net profit), but does not apply to wage earners.
I don't think the countries using US currency bother moving coins worth less than $1 anyway. They mint them themselves.
Airbnb to Face New Curbs in Canada with Rental Tax Rule Change
You're right - wrong razor :-D
I don't care too much about Sam. He seems to me just a bloke that was at the right place at the right time. With the builders, though - I always felt so much contempt to the extremities of AI safety "they" seem to be pushing (and many, I knoq, feel the same) - that makes it rather hard to emphasise.
Which they still do in many, many cases.
Then the author doesn't really understand what's happening or isn't making much sense.

There isn't anything, as far as I can tell, structure specific that caused this ousting. If it was a normal for-profit structure with a board of directors this same event could have played out.

What is surprising to Sam, and any casual observer, is this looks to be a massive overstepping of the board. By all accounts it looks like Sam was excelling in his role, and to fire him for seemingly no reason with no real transition plan is incompetence and should be unexpected from any serious company.
What about the ramifications of not preventing extinction caused by human activity (or other causes)?
> I had a chance to learn SEO/content principles from people who are responsible for creating content strategy for some of the most successful startups. The main thing that I want to achieve with this tool is to allow teams of one to create highly valuable content with references to authoritative sources _and_ suggest how to link this content to the rest of the content on their websites. I think I can automate hours of work by combining LLMs with scraping.

Wait a minute - your product fit is to scrape info from as many websites as possible, feed it into an LLM, and have it all link to each other to boost its SEO power? Am I correct in saying that's what you are doing, or am I way off?
> This is what happens when free market capitalism and anti-competitive rules are absent from your system. Silicon Valley has prioritized the wrong incentives for A.I. to blossom organically in the 2020s.

How is this the conclusion? What free market and what capitalism? Neither exists and nor have they ever. This is similar to blaming the troubles of the Soviet Union on Communism. It never existed so how would it be Communism’s fault? The issue is more that inflationary and low interest policies incentivize the highest possible return “right now,” encourage debt accumulation, and invert the time order of markets. These pressures then align to encourage the most massive orgs possible because small margins don’t work in inflationary environments. Finally, when you get to the point that you have orgs larger than some countries you have those orgs start purchasing governments and pulling up those ladders. No where in this mess is there a free market, any kind of capitalism, or even any kind of socialism or communism. This is oligarchical fascism which has been the global order since the end of mercantilism.
I saw very many from near conception when they were applying for very first funding.

Don't get me wrong, regulation is a serious topic, but for startups outside of specific domains such as healthcare, it is not realy a thing that seems to stop people from entrepreneurship.

Part of that is certainly that startups just don't care that much and have a we'll worry about that once we are making our first 10 million arr attitude.
It's interesting how people here seem to think that concerns about shareholder value and the like should override every other concern. Many serious things are going wrong in the world, but when the cornucopia of cash is threatened it seems like 3x as many people come out of the woodwork to voice their disbelief and displeasure.
Hehe, I didn't see that twist at the end coming :)
If it was about selling to Microsoft, Ilya and the board could've just announced that's the reason. The thing is they didn't, and Emmett didn't say what it was even after being briefed before joining. I don't think as many as 500+ employees out of 700+ would be siding with Sam if Ilya announced this was about OpenAI v. Microsoft. So why did he never explain anything to the staff?
Classic distancing behavior, Ilya should be accompanied by friends who care and let OpenAI be OpenAI (or what's left of it) for a bit.
Even more perplexing is that there is a reference to $10M right above that one, with no scientific notation, as well as references to $50B/$80B that don't use it either. Who knows. It's funny at least, though.
> Separately this is generally not a great idea economically. You do kill inflation in Argentina (replaced with American inflation but that is extremely low and stable by Argentine standards). But you have no control over your monetary policy or your exchange rates. If your economy is export driven to (e.g.) China, you now have to worry about the dollar-yuan rate, which is not under your control.

I am not a economics person by any sort, but why does that matter? If China is buying say minerals at $4 a ton or something, versus 1415.41 Pesos how does that change. If US is strong and the Yuan dips, it now costs X% more to convert to $ then before, that just means you decrease price of export by X %? If we are speaking entirely on a 1 to 1 partner.

But on the plus side it also opens you up to buyers who trade in USD, they no longer need to trade to a bunch of Peso first. And since most export companies probably already accept USD for trades, I don't see what the negative is.
Post was deleted, possibly because it's simply not true.
Unlocking Idempotency with Retroactive Tombstones
How does Europe being left leaning matter? The exchange rate is basically as stable as USD... Or do you mean it's just because of the strong Milei's ideology?
Hallelujah, spot on. Whenever I see major clusters like this, and tons of folks online are so quick to go to outlandish "4D chess" conspiracy theories, I'm always reminded of that meme "People who believe in conspiracy theories have never been product managers."

We like to think that big execs and leaders are some super smart geniuses when we're not disparaging them (and they may be, but only in specific areas), but they're still just people, and they are afflicted with jealousy and envy and spite and lack of forethought just like the rest of us, and they make mistakes accordingly. They particularly make mistakes when you're trying to organize a big group of people.
Now I can track those fast moving microbes
“Do not only ..”, or “Do not immediately ..” are reasonable and wise.

But that absolutist “Do not” is neither wise nor reasonable. Malicious actors do exist.
It can be both, a hype and a danger. I don't worry much about AGI by now (I stopped insulting Alexa so, just to be sure).

The danger of generative AI is that it disrupts all kinds of things: arts, writers, journalism, propaganda... That threat already exists, the tech being no longer being hyped might allow us to properly adress that problem.
The dawn of the post-work age! C :
.. nearly everyone will become unemployed five years from now (when AGI / humanoid robots hit mainstream adoption). The economical paradigm will have to change inevitably. Now it's on us to nudge it towards a nice and chill open source economy with open access infrastructure and cybersyn-like global federated resource stream coordination instead of the competitive vortex of death, madness & despair we have now.
funny enough, my wife asked me this question and when i answered "almost daily" she was really confused.

she knew i read meditations a lot, but she never really tied it to the roman empire.
Hanlon's Razor is for idiots, even mischievous toddlers intuitively figure out the "oops" excuse.
I tested in Firefox (uBlock), LibreWolf (uBlock), Safari (AdGuard), and Chromium (no ad blocker), and the initial home page load takes a couple seconds, but I never witnessed a 5s delay. I would say it was actually fastest in Firefox for me, but that may have just been a result of some caching. I am a premium subscriber and have never seen a warning for using an ad blocker, so I'm not sure if premium subscribers get a pass.
Which is hilarious because they said at the dev day that the limits would be doubled, meanwhile decreased to 40...
Lyft's plan to take control of its maps – and its future
Agreed. I actually like Clojure and worked on a small project in it several years ago. But, the whole "Data Drive Design" idea literally just boils down to using general-purpose language primitives and data structures instead of defining specific classes/structs/whatever. That's it.

The idea is that if you just use dictionaries for objects instead of traditional, statically typed, classes, you get all of the dictionary APIs for free, so you can easily iterate over the keys, add more keys to the object as you're processing it (as opposed to defining a Foo class and a FooBuilder class, or similar), etc.

The pros and cons are obvious if you've worked in dynamically typed and statically typed languages.

That's not quite what this article is arguing against. This article is more arguing against a functional programming pattern, IMO.
what Poe is doing seems odd for such a company. I am doing the same with baarilliant.ai in my spare time.
I'm surprised more people haven't noted this is 2019 article is here now because of OpenAI.

Both Mozilla and OpenAI were for-profit companies fully owned by a non-profit of the same name, and dependent on a large corporation (Google/Microsoft) for a large majority of their finances.

And both times, the large company ended up competing directly (Chrome/whatever's happening here) due to being slowed down, while still being the main financier of the original company.
CMD and K for Spreadsheets
I was always a huge supporter of RSS and my disappointment was immeasurable when it almost completely died. I've kind of abandoned the hope that it would make a comeback though. The way I see it, there are two major problems:

* XML sucks. Bloated, unpleasant, annoying, slow. There should be a new standard which is slimmer, faster and more pleasant to work with.

* LLM's: they are becoming cheaper and feasible to use AND TRAIN on consumer grade hardware: The type of hardware many of us have at home - a good amount of memory, a large hard drive, a beefy CPU and a beefy GPU(or two). If RSS all of a sudden became widely available across the web, who knows how many people would start using and abusing the feeds and start building some insanely powerful LLM's in their basements. I'm not saying that would be bad, I am all for it. But most people I know would go ballistic if their data was used to build LLMs without their explicit consent. Personally, I'm a huge fan of the WTF license[1] but maybe I'm just weird.

[1] http://www.wtfpl.net/
Theory

Microsoft floated this offer to Altman for buku dollars before any of this takes place

Altman went to the board and requested a raise knowing he has a fantastic plan B.

Board says no because they're a non-profit.

Altman gets petulant (as people my age tend to do).

Old-school boomer "You Work for Me" elements of the board launch a bid to fire him. Their bid succeeds.

Altman goes and blabs about his new gig to his old co-workers (as people my age tend to do).

Microsoft says, "Okay, more talent for us" and extends offers for buku dollars to all OpenAI employees.

Revolution!
Amazon aims to provide free AI skills training to 2M people by 2025
Go on. Continue this line of reasoning. I think a couple steps down you will understand the comment you are replying to.
Google went from my most trusted tech company in 2010 to being just blatantly evil. I think it must be the new CEO.
Ontologies and their consequences.
For one, they didn't use React.
I don't really understanding why the workforce is swinging unambiguously behind Altman. The core of the narrative thus far is that the board fired Altman on the grounds that he was prioritising commercialisation over the not-for-profit mission of OpenAI written into the organisation's charter.[1] Given that Sam has since joined Microsoft, that seems plausible, on its face.

The board may have been incompetent and shortsighted. Perhaps they should even try and bring Altman back, and reform themselves out of existence. But why would the vast majority of the workforce back an open letter failing to signal where they stand on the crucial issue - on the purpose of OpenAI and their collective work? Given the stakes which the AI community likes to claim are at issue in the development of AGI, that strikes me as strange and concerning.

[1] https://openai.com/charter