skysight-inc/HackerNews huggingface dataset:
They'd probably have some legal avenues they could pursue should this happen, but if it did happen, what exactly could M$ do about it? Once it's out in the world, that's it, it'll be everywhere and no amount of M$ lobbying is gonna be able to get rid of it.

A man can dream...
There is no safe way to access the environment, even if you mark this API unsafe, what are you going to do?
Cable TV started as a way to expand the reach of broadcast TV. Broadcast TV has commercials. Hence cable TV always had commercials.
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These are extremely safe conjectures.

84% of OpenAI employees have signed a statement that they will leave OpenAI if the board does not resign. The letter they signed states that Microsoft has made an open offer to any OpenAI employee. And Satya is almost certainly not going to spoil this moment with stingy packages. He is, after all, essentially acquiring a company that was valued at $90 billion, for nothing.
Just a thought.... Wouldn't one of the board members be like "If you screw with us any further we're releasing gpt to the public"

I'm wondering why that option hasn't been used yet.
nVidia is selling shovels, while MS is trying to dig gold.
You say that like any argentinian would walk around with money or any valuable after he abolishes the police.
This is why I tend to roll my eyes at this sort of Tolkien-level analysis of the story and universe. It's just not a high-quality enough thing to really stand up to that sort of scrutiny. It's like talking about Jelly beans the same way you'd talk about wine. There's just not much there, and so much of it is just inventing things in the murk of the story.
Greed is a form of malice, in my opinion.
That’s shortly after they acquired DoubleClick in 2008 – note in particular how they haven’t managed to introduce a good new product since that time. I think that’s because the torrent of ad revenue meant that nothing really affects the price of your stock so all of the executive types are busy playing politics without real fear that users won’t like what they’re shipping.
> The decrease in the number of people affected by hunger has happened in a period where the world population has increased by 2.2 billion - from 5,3 billion in 1990 to 7.5 billion in 2018. The share of undernourished people in the world has therefore fallen markedly in the past three decades. From 19% in 1990 to 10.8% in 2018.

https://www.theworldcounts.com/challenges/people-and-poverty...

Why don't you go ask the 189 million people that since 1990 have avoided hunger if they agree?
He takes every Friday off
Maybe some will come out of loyalty. But then again, when you look at the choice of becoming a MS employee vs. being poached by FAIR, Google Brain or Deepmind, it's no guarantee all 500 will come over to follow the sales guys.
Why not just peg your own currency to the dollar and make a constitutional amendment to prevent that ratio from ever being changed going forward?

Then you’d avoid all the nationalistic backlash, economic illiteracy, and sidestep (some) of the “dollar milkshake”.
> I stopped insulting Alexa so, just to be sure

Priceless. The modern version of Pascal's wager.
This deeply underestimates the messiness and chaos of real life.
A contractual mistake one makes only once is ensuring there's penalties for breach, or a breach would entail a clear monetary loss which is what's generally required by the courts. In this case I expect Microsoft would almost certainly have both, so I think the answer is 'no.'
> the other 20% would represent a pivot to an "open source" model like the name once implied

Or they would be triggering a billion-dollar lawsuit that would surely bankrupt the company.
oh, you mean, _selling_ the hardware to Amazon, Google, MS ...
The Game Boy also does stuff on both edges of the clock, so it's more like an 8-phase, 1 Mhz clock.

Source - I wrote GateBoy.
> Ilya may have been partially motivated by ego, Altman being the public face, he was left out of Time 100 AI leaders in favor of Greg, etc.

Do you mean [1]? Sam, Greg and Ilya are all in there, the first two under Leaders, and Ilya under Thinkers.

[1] https://time.com/collection/time100-ai/
It's hard to love your country when it steals your money right out of your pocket to spend it frivolously. On top of inflation, most of this year I've been paying income tax while I'm on a monthly salary of less than USD 1000 (equivalent).
There’s something massive brewing here that involves Microsoft. And it stinks.

One thing is for certain, Google is clearly a major loser here. They completely blew the lead in AI.
If I was going to do my own Job Queue, I'd implement it more like the GCP Tasks [0].

It is such a better model for the majority of queues. All you're doing is storing a message, hitting an HTTP endpoint and deleting the message on success. This makes it so much easier to scale, reason, and test task execution.

Update: since multiple people seem confused. I'm talking about the implementation of a job queue system, not suggesting that they use the GCP tasks product. That said, I would have just used GCP tasks too (assuming the usecase dictated it, fantastic and rock solid product.)

[0] https://cloud.google.com/tasks
Has anything changed since 2013? 2003? Windows XP/ME/etc/.../95 was basically the same as modern windows just with boxier window decorations, no windows-phone-tile thing and less spyware.
You'd do yourself a favor by not referring to them as "M$". It taints your entire message, true or not.
Even if these conspiracy theories proved true, we all know Firefox didn't stand a chance lol
> I don't really understanding why the workforce is swinging unambiguously behind Altman.

I have no inside information.
I don't know anyone at Open AI.
This is all purely speculation.

Now that that's out out the way,
here is my guess:
money.

These people never joined OpenAI
to "advance sciences and arts"
or to "change the world".
They joined OpenAI to earn money.
They think they can make more money
with Sam Altman in charge.

Once again,
this is completely all speculation.
I have not spoken to anyone at Open AI
or anyone at Microsoft
or anyone at all really.
Paris Hilton is a genius. Donald J Trump is a genius. Alex Jones tried it and so did Sam Bankman-Fried. Those two were not genius.
Click bait for all of you too young to have watched this originally in the theaters back in 1977.
EDIT: my comment is wrong because it confuses Data-Driven Design and Data-Oriented Design. Thanks @Narishma for the correction. DOD is pretty great, but I wouldn't push for DDD outside game engines.

---

I see DDD as a counter movement to OOP: expose your fields, don't bake behaviors into your data structures, and accept primitive types instead of instances of the internal class MyData.

To me it doesn't imply "convert your code into data", which seems to be OPs only gripe with it.
Just today, the /r/YouTube subreddit was discussing how Polymer adds an artificial 5 second delay based on user-agents other than Chrome.

1. https://www.reddit.com/r/youtube/comments/17z8hsz/youtube_ha...
I can assure you, none of the people at OpenAI are hurting for lack of employment opportunities.
That's besides your point but Tinder and Hinge are not competitors, they are both owned by Match Group.
Mozilla very much created Firefox, thank you very much.

Also, on all your other issues, see https://yoric.github.io/post/why-did-mozilla-remove-xul-addo...
Or, rather, it’s odd that you haven’t heard what Sam did wrong. There was a front page Bloomberg article that alleges what Sam did and it was briefly in the top of this site then disappeared.

It alleged that Sam funneled a lot of money to his AI chip company startup.
Some of it adds up. Here's how you can make sense of it:

Sam Altman crafts an elaborate non-profit structure but gets completely blindsided by the possibility of the board overthrowing them.

He didn’t create it alone and always included the possibility that it would push into profit activities somehow

Microsoft invests $10 billion but apparently has no checks in place to know what's happening with their investment.

They knew what was happening. Whether they announce it is a different story.

The board moves quickly to sack the CEO but then falls completely silent, thus almost intentionally losing the communication war.

Shock. They naively made a move they hadn’t thought through, and were unprepared for the tsunami of push back. Enter, deer in headlights.

Sam Altman says he wants to develop AI for the benefit of humanity yet at the first possible moment he sets up a deal that sells 49% of their endeavor to Microsoft.

Perhaps he believed that was the best available way to do that.

After getting kicked out of OpenAI, his first move is to start a brain drain campaign and move their operations under the wings of Microsoft.

He has been way more passive in what happened after he was fired. He’s riding the wave, not making it. Organic.

Ilya is never actually publicly blamed for the coup but is logically assumed to be at fault. He does not communicate at all… until posting a regretful apology for merely "participating" in the board's actions.

Hubris and ambition, a certain type of those, that when reality defies expectation, are met with cowardice and embarrassment in a certain type of person. Slinking off tail between legs apology as this is not what he wanted, but he now has no power.

The board is made up seemingly random selection of people, one of them leading a potential OpenAI competitor.

Not random. RAND corporation has a seat through Tasha. The UK-AU-China axis of interest / risk is represented and reported by Helen. Quora guy is there to figure out how to eventually get everyone to sign up before any answers are provided. Brockman was the brains (let’s face it tho, they all top notch brains), Altman was the make it happen guy and Ilya was the man who would be King (but, ah, "sadly" was not). So we have: MIC, Wonk (Intel & Security / Policy), Money, Tech, Ops and Hubris.
Argentina had strict lockdowns and in the height of a wave, a picture leaked of the President and his huge family all gathered together for a fancy dinner. My coworkers were furious.

Oh yeah, and Cristina and all her shenanigans.
It’s an interesting topic, but this article adds absolutely nothing to the discussion.
There is nothing to "improve" on the existing interface, really. From a C point of view ... a _hidden_ global lock is worse than no lock at all. Because in the latter case ... you, as the programmer, have a choice what to do. If you never call setenv(), no locks. If you only ever call setenv() in your startup code, no locks. If you only ever call setenv() after fork&co, no locks. And if you do believe you need to call it at runtime, but are singlethreaded ... still no locks. And if you really really really need to call it from a multithreaded process, concurrently with getenv(), then lock around both and make your getenv() "safe" wrapper create you an owned point-in-time copy - basically a getenv_r().

Note also that "global references" like getenv() returns and point-in-time owned snapshots don't behave the same way. Say, a library initializer code could retrieve a number of env var references by calling getenv(), and then use those at runtime. No more need/use for getenv() again after - and even perf-sensitive code could look at the env var. With a func that copies, the perf-sensitive code would need to do that each time (lock, lookup, copy). Not strongly desirable.

Also ... UNIX is rather flexible ... and if you so wish, you _can_ substitute _your own_ setenv()/getenv() by the magic of dynamic linking. To create a set that locks and returns you leaked copies (changes the semantics of getenv so that the caller must free the pointer to avoid a leak). It's all possible to do this.

I'm getting the impression from this that we see a "go tantrum" here. "I make my own standards but I wanna use that C/Unix standard thing as well but not how it is because it's not nice it should take go into account waaaahwaaah ...".

It is not _nice_ to modify your own env at runtime. Maybe, just maybe ... that's for reasons. Because not everything that can be done is also a great idea.
It's good art though?
I prefer books worth reading
"The board is made up seemingly random selection of people"

This is what happened. This is the entire explanation.

Why did this board exist? Inertia.
The world changes, my friend, and the cemetary is full of people who had the right-of-way. You either act like physics applies to you, or you run a significantly higher chance of getting meat-crayoned across the asphalt. I know which one I'd choose - look both ways, every time, and stop. playing. in. the. road. Roads are for cars. Parks, sidewalks, and green open spaces of all kinds are for humans.
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This is not "human monitor or the car crashes." This is "human monitor or the car might do a safe stop and block traffic."

A human driver can easily get away with the latter, and often do. A self-driving car can't, because people hold them to higher standards.
> Choosing the dollar isn't "stripping control" from the state

Until now, the government of Argentina has abused its currency monopoly by printing money, with devastating consequences. Inflation is approaching 150% per year. By "We'll abolish legal tender, stripping control from the state", GP means "We'll abolish legal tender, eliminating the government's currency monopoly and allowing the people to choose a sound currency." This is, by definition, "stripping control from the state", where "the state" obviously refers to the Argentine government.

> it's giving it to a sovereign state that doesn't have your interests in mind.

This would be true if the Argentine government was imposing the dollar as legal tender, but they're not. They're allowing the people their choice of currency. For now, that may well be the dollar. But if the US government begins to abuse the dollar (via inflationary policies, for example), dollars will lose favor and a more sound currency will take its place.

This also prevents the Argentine government from steering their economy with monetary policy, but Libertarians view this as a feature rather than a bug.
When I was 8 or 9, I wanted to be an assassin. I taught myself to walk silently on the balls of my feet everywhere I went, I learned to control my breathing and steady my hands (I would practice by doing something like running to the barn and back, and then monitoring my ability to remain steady). I would stand motionless in places, and try to remain invisible, just out of sight (which drove my mother crazy when she couldn't find me). I became a very good shot with the rifle, less so with pistols, but still decent. When I turned 11 or so, my mother told me that I couldn't be an actual assassin because it's illegal.

I became a librarian, so my devotion to moving silently has a purpose. I still enjoy seeing how close I can get to people before they notice I'm there.
When the biggest chunk of your compensation is in the form of PPUs (profit participation units) which might be worthless under the new direction of the company (or worth 1/10th of what you think they were), it might be actually much more of an easier jump than people think to get some fresh $MSFT stock options which can be cashed regardless.
Sell what to MS, now?

They have the license to the tech, now they have the tech leadership, soon perhaps the entire 500-person team ... for free
Following this bizarre mass hysteria caused by a salesman being let go from a tech shop I am now expecting this individual to become the next US president.
True, but Google has a conflict of interest here and they really need to be barred from doing this in categories where they also compete.
I have two brothers, one of which around 2019 fell down a couple YouTube rabbit holes and came out repeating things about flat earth, QAnon, and just about every other comorbid conspiracy theory circulating at that time. He honestly believes that there is some global cabal involving tens of thousands of people to hide the fact that the earth is flat. He especially makes the fundamental error of assuming that all of the "evidence" he has collected is ultimately attributable to a single source, and that there exist world-wide organizations that are eminently capable and efficient in keeping these things going and largely under wraps. My brother was in the military, and I have seen the inside of many large organizations, and this is just not anywhere in our experience. At best the world somehow runs along in a kind of controlled chaos, it is one enormous coordination problem and there are too many competing interests at work in any one area.
google is becoming (has already become IMHO) the old microsoft
Burn the state to the ground and salt the earth where it stood.
This usually works out well for the sites just never bothered to test for Firefox and threw up the banner but it can end up going pretty poorly/silently-and-annoyingly-start-failing-halfway-through for sites that threw up the banner because they knew they didn't do feature detection and assumed Chrome or Chrome's behavior. I.e. "better than nothing if you are dead set on never installing Chrome" but, outside that, worse off than just going to your copy of Chrome for all but your most regularly visited websites that throw the "only supported in" banner.
I imagine that is because Microsoft bends the knee and pays fines to Europe every few years and complies with its orders. The Microsoft software/services the USA see's is different to the Microsoft Software/Services the EU sees.
>Ilya and the safety contingent are the builders

Ilya, yes. But in what universe are the AI Safety people the builders?
With MS having access and perpetual rights to all IP that OpenAI has right now..?
maybe the workforce is not really behind the non-profit foundation and want shares to skyrocket, sell, and be well off for life.

at the end of the day, the people working there are not rich like the founders and money talks when you have to pay rent, eat and send your kids to a private college.
Wow, this is depressing to read. :(

5 years ago I was upset and posted a comment that was unfairly harsh to another commenter. I apologized at the time, and I meant it. I definitely should not have made the harsh comment that I did. It was wrong. There's no excuse for my having written it.

There are a lot of people working on Roc other than me. I'm not even the top committer anymore. [0] I hope you can find it in your heart to give their work some consideration, if not mine.

[0] https://github.com/roc-lang/roc/graphs/contributors
> the Fed only cares about the US

I presume by Fed you mean the not-government 'federal reserve' which is a contractor to Congress which tinkers with monetary policy and sets the price of money. Federal Reserve quietly provided bailouts to Europe in 2008.

New York Times article,

'“an open facility where European banks could come and get dollars.”
So began what would become the biggest United States government bailout that most people do not know anything about.'

https://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/24/business/feds-aid-in-2008...
"That’s an incredibly bold claim. When did he say that and what was the context?"

See Wikipedia:

"In a June 2022 interview, when asked about his stance on the sale of children, Milei initially said that "it depends"

But being a populist, apparently he took that back after some public outcry.

And when you want to abolish the whole state, then it is really not rational to use the state to enforce some radical ideology with the help of the state in my opinion. But I won't discuss forcing a 10 year old rape victim to carry a baby in the name of life here any further.
The international capital market salivates at the thought of privatizations.
says ">But conspiracies don't work because the world isn't that predictable.<"

Agreed but that doesn't prevent people from trying to instigate conspiracies. After all, Prometheus caused blind hopes to live in the hearts of men.

- Aeschylus, Prometheus Bound

http://classics.mit.edu/Aeschylus/prometheus.html

An extract seems appropriate here:

-------------------------------

PROMETHEUS: I took from man expectancy of death.

CHORUS: What medicine found'st thou for this malady?

PROMETHEUS: I planted blind hope in the heart of him.

CHORUS: A mighty boon thou gavest there to man.

PROMETHEUS: Moreover, I conferred the gift of fire.

CHORUS: And have frail mortals now the flame-bright fire?

PROMETHEUS: Yea, and shall master many arts thereby.

CHORUS: And Zeus with such misfeasance charging thee-

PROMETHEUS: Torments me with extremity of woe.

...
Which of the remaining board members could credibly make that threat?
correction:
Ilya was on Time 100 AI, along with folks like Hinton.
Is it too late? Satya already announced Sam and brock is joining.
Sam Altman is an experienced corporate leader.

There is absolutely no universe in which he is not surrounded by the finest lawyers that money can buy, who are charting every single millimeter of possible movement on every single possible deal.
I agree. This design is incredibly strange, and seems to throw away basically all distributed systems knowledge. I'm glad folks are playing with different ideas, but this one seems off.
Maybe Microsoft asked "GPT5" for an innovative way to takeover ; )
This affair has Musk's fingerprints all over it but he lost, again.
> They are exactly hiring everyone from OpenAI.

Do you mean offering to hire them? I haven't seen any source saying they've hired a lot of people from OpenAI, just a few senior ones.
It's a theory, but it's not like they refrained from badmouthing him and kept it all professional. That would have looked like "after careful deliberation, we have determined that OpenAI cannot meet its mission under current management, and..."

It's extremely strange to make it clear the firing is for cause, and to be vague about the cause, and then to issue statements that whatever the cause was it was not related to fiduciary issues or AI safety. It really does amount to "he did something really bad that created a crisis we had no choice but to respond to precipitously... but it wasn't all that bad and we don't want to talk about it" situation.

I think "incompetent seems likely" is the only reasonable conclusion here.
> If you're going to make a move, at least stand by it.

I see this is the popular opinion and that I'm going against it. But I've made decisions that I though were good at the time, and later I got more perspective and realize it was a terrible decision.

I think being able to admit you messed up, when you messed up is a great trait. Standing by your mistake isn't something I admire.
1. Don't buy key's AS a German

2. The people with the letter have to care. However dinosaurs could run, germany is a digital sloth.
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> If anything it's an exercise in tenacity, patience and faith it might be possible.

The problem I realized last time was that I didn't have any way to troubleshoot it that I could figure out. I now have an oscilloscope but I'm not sure if that will help.

> Another problem is the disappearance of high power AM transmitters

I'm about 10 miles away from a 50,000 watt station (850 KOA[1]) so that should work.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KOA_(AM) I used to listen to this station from other states at night.