skysight-inc/HackerNews huggingface dataset:
Why is it "plainly obvious"? You criticize a self reported study, but offer up a self reported second hand anecdotal claim as the only alternative, without even stopping for a moment to consider other potential reasons, such as e.g. whether the causal link may go the other direction, or whether kids who get to have more screen time have less involved parents.

I don't know whether this study is right. What I do know is that my observation of the people who insist it is not in this thread suggests I can't trust their reasoning about what they claim to have observed, because it fairly consistently involves illogical leaps and unsuported assumptions of causality.
One of the more interesting aspects from this entire saga was that Helen Toner recently wrote a paper critical of OpenAI and praising Anthropic.

Yet where OpenAI’s attempt at signaling may have been drowned out by other, even more conspicuous actions taken by the company, Anthropic’s signal may have simply failed to cut through the noise. By burying the explanation of Claude’s delayed release in the middle of a long, detailed document posted to the company’s website, Anthropic appears to have ensured that this signal of its intentions around AI safety has gone largely unnoticed [1].

That is indeed quite the paper to write whilst on the board of OpenAI, to say the least.

[1] https://cset.georgetown.edu/publication/decoding-intentions/
Effective Altruism is dead
Replying to my own comment since I can't edit it anymore, but:

It looks like Helen Toner is out of the board.
Sam will then be untouchable. He could stand on the boardroom table and urinate on it and he wont be fired.
> I don’t understand why that’s not a conflict of interest?

It's not the conflict of interest it would be if it was the board of a for profit corporation that was basically identical to the existing for-profit LLC but without the lyaers above it ending with the nonprofit that the board actually runs, because OpenAI is not a normal company, and making profit is not its purpose, so the CEO of a company that happens to have a product in the same space as the LLC is not in a fundamental conflict of interest (there may be some specific decisions it would make sense for him to recuse from for conflict reasons, but there is a difference between "may have a conflict regarding certain decisions" and "has a fundamental conflict incompatible with sitting on the board".)

Its not a conflict for a nonprofit that raises money with craft faires to have someone who runs a for-profit periodic craft faire in the same market on its board. It is a conflict for a for profit corporation whose business is running such a craft faire to do so, though.
His side was also "700 regular employees support this", which is pretty unusual as most people don't care about their CEO at all. I am not related to OpenAI at all, but given the choice of "favorite of all employees" vs "fire people with no warning then refuse to give explanation why even under pressure" I know which side I root for.
Sam definitely discussed about ethics and stuff (at stratospheric level) but when it comes to actually implementing those ethic or when someone tried to implement it in product, he was instrumental in getting rid of respective scientists (whom inturn went on to create claude). And currently was trying to get rid off another director who is trying to voice out opinion in this regard. That is exactly what I am pointing out, he gave such impressions to the rest of the world.

Microsoft never intended or assumed OpenAI will turnout like this great. It just did a small hedge of $1B to a promising tech and will very much like to takeover OpenAI if given a chance and they can afford all the lawyers needed to keep up with govt regulations.

Anthropic was able to create a comparable product to openai with out all the fuss that sam has created. I agree Sam might have had some significant contributions but they are not as much as it seem to be. I am sure OpenAI will keep on progressing as it does now with or without Sam.

He won the first time and lost the second time.
What does Ilya have to say?
Why would society at large suffer from a major flaw in GPT-4, if it's even there? If GPT-4 spits out some nonsense to your customers, just put a filter on it, as you should anyway. We can't seriously expect OpenAI to babysit every company out there, can we? Why would we even want to?
Or, it did seem like a deal, but all of OAI did align that that to be more disastrous than whatever apocalypse that Altman as the CEO must entail.
Larry Summers mostly counts as a Microsoft seat. Summers will support commercial and private interest and not have a single thought about safety, just like during the financial crisis 15 years ago https://www.chronicle.com/article/larry-summers-and-the-subv...
Yeah, find these highly dubious. A heart transplant is quite a traumatic event, both physically and emotionally, who knows what side effects the patients were experiencing after the procedure.
I'll add this to my list of essential Windows apps that should be built-in, right alongside PowerToys, Process Explorer, and Chocolatey. I wish there was a mainstream competitor that could force MS to make a decent OS again (I already use Linux, but most people don't and it sure doesn't seem to be in a strong enough position to put any pressure on MS)
I believe you mean Startup News
I was just thinking about this again and here's an example (well, two) of why I would not recommend FreeBSD for a prod environment: third party software.

The ports tree has been an archaic mess for as long as I've been dicking around with FreeBSD (~2.2.2). Processors and disks have gotten fast enough that relying on make(1) isn't quite as painful as it was, but ok. To ease the pain, FreeBSD started offering binary packages a while ago via pkg(8).

Earlier this year I was evaluating upgrading 12 -> 13, so I fired up VirtualBox and installed 13.whatever. Out of the box pkg did not work. It started its bootstrap song and dance and fell flat on its face. Digging around on the forums came up with a work around to get everything bootstrapped and a working version of pkg installed, but still this was a known problem that made it out the door.

Meanwhile even with a working version of pkg, the FreeBSD mirrors are glacially slow. I've consistently gotten about 2Mbps max from them. Typically I'll get a few hundred kilobytes per second even on an un-throttled 10 Gbps connection with an Intel 825xx NIC.

So on the 12.x machine I set up varnish and pointed the jails at that. And all was well with the world. Until a few weeks ago when pkg again fell flat on its face. Turns out that somewhere along the way pkg went from "use SRV(!) records but fall back on CNAME/A" to "fail if there are no SRV records". Shame on me for not configuring pkg to ignore SRV records in the first place, but what the hell kind of breaking change is that in the middle of a product's lifecycle? That's 100% the kind of thing that should be synced up with the release of new major version of FreeBSD (e.g. 14), but doesn't because pkg straddles and blurs the boundaries between base system and 3rd party tools.

So. Yeah. FreeBSD's great for academic purposes. It's great if you want to push the limits of what's capable and you have staff who are competent kernel hackers. It's great if you can't use GPL licensed products. But for most things? It's a distraction.
But it's not exactly a company. It's a nonprofit structured in a way to wholly own a company. In that sense it's like Mozilla.
Demo confused me. So you add one by one text/url and then the codes are generated add images on a zip?
Prevails
???

Where did I say anything about a "superintelligence"?

The extant statistical inference engines aren't going to build killer androids. No, I'm terrified of what profit-motivated humans are going to do to each other using machines designed to match patterns and generate convincing bullshit.

Think less "Terminator", more like Cambridge Analytica, Russian-style firehose-of-falsehood, 2018 YouTube algorithmic radicalization, 2014 Facebook "emotional contagion" experiment, 2023 TikTok censorship, doctored videos/evidence, crossing an inflection point in declining trust in democratic institutions, fully automated fraud and identity theft in an arms race with increasingly invasive countermeasures, scientific atrophy, artistic and cultural homogenization, etc.

FFS, the SGA and WGA just wrapped up an unprecedented strike motivated in large part by the broadly anticipated destructive impact of ML on their industry. You wanna talk about jobs? Wikipedia says that cost 45,000, many of whom were barely getting by, while you whinge about 770 in-demand professionals who already have highly paying offers from at least two Fortune 500 companies. From what I've seen, the voice acting industry, although less able to advocate for itself, is in disarray too and already directly impacted by the spread of models trained unconsensually on actors' past work. Plus major publications like CNET have already been caught canning their staff and dishonestly publishing error-ridden drivel with a misguided faith in LLMs, Google and thus access to most textual information online is basically useless because of SEO blogspam already, etc.

Framing climate change as "we didn't move fast enough on AGI" is… Bizarre. Windmills ain't new tech, and neither are hydro dams, nuclear reactors, nor LRT. Framing disease as an "AGI" problem is… Delusional, as well. Some academics may certainly find domain-specific ML models useful, but were I a bit more vindictive, I'd pay good money to see you try to get ChatGPT to fold a novel protein correctly.

> It's all a game of "how can I justify doing heinous shit to people".
There is a reason why salads aren't a thing in warmer countries. The same reason applies to people only drinking tea, not cold water. If it's not cooked, it might be actually dangerous.
saying “to tweet” is definitely better than saying “to xeet”
> That paints a pretty bleak picture that isn't favorable to Altman. Two times he was challenged about OpenAIs safety and both times he worked to purge those who opposed him.

Or maybe(x) he is surrounded by doomers and AI activists who made a career of blabbering about the dangers of AI all the time.

I worked once on a team of Uncle Bob's cult followers who believed that Clean Architecture is the only way to write maintainable software and was accused that "I don't care, I'm irresponsible, and a terrible software engineer" weekly.

(x) and I meant the "maybe" part, I really don't know, but it is a possibility.
Fiascos like this display neither experience nor intelligence. This whole saga was a colossal failure on the part of the previous board.
By recognizing that it didn't "start" with Altman trying to push out another board member, it started when that board member published a paper trashing the company she's on the board of, without speaking to the CEO of that company first, or trying in any way to affect change first.
Who cares what he thinks, his money is gone and he has no control over it.

In fact the most positive outcome is if Altman and the rest of the staff went to MS and did their thing and OpenAI started from scratch with the $13B they've come into. That would double the chances of something useful emerging from the OpenAI work so far.

I personally think Altman is very much less than a genius (maybe at extracting financial advantage) so all OpenAI's eggs shouldn't be placed in that particular basket.
Same! We have an acre of trees, a hill, boulders, 2 sheds, trampoline, bikes, digging tools. Nope. Screens.
Fun fact, the GI bill is a revenue generating scam. Meaning, it makes more money than it pays out. I didnt know until bootcamp you have to PAY to get the gi bill and then they make it as complicated as possible to use so most people never end up using it. Under capitalism nothing happens unless someone's making money.
Depends on location. Underground costs more and is harder to repair.

So for earthquake prone areas, you will find above ground power pylons everywhere simply because that is safer and cheaper than the alternative.

Where disasters are unlikely, they tend to be underground.
On a side tangent, absolutely amazing how all this drama unfolded on Twitter/X. No Threads, no Mastodon, no Truth Social or Blue whatever.

Say what you want about Elon’s leadership but his instinct to buy Twitter was completely right. To me it seemed like any social network crap but he realized it was important.
the board didn’t have to tweet. their ridiculous actions spoke for itself.
Considering an idea is about taking everything into account. The part where it’s illegal or morally reprehensible is essential to the discussion. Also if not communicated like here it can be understood as an opinion.
> It's important that the board be relatively independent and able to fire the CEO if he attempts to deviate from the mission.

They did fire him, and it didn't work. Sam effectively became "too big to fire."

I'm sure it will be framed as a compromise, but how can this be anything but a collapse of the board's power over the commercial OpenAI arm? The threat of firing was the enforcement mechanism, and its been spent.
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Weird... Ilya decides one way then changes his mind. Helen and Tasha vote one way and had the votes to prevent any changes, but then for some reason agreed to leave the board. Adam votes one way then changes his mind. So many mysteries.
You could gain much more by coalescing repeated writes to the same address - database scenarios for example
How is Larry Summers a terrible person?

He did help shoot down the extra spending proposals that would have made inflation today even worse. Not sure how that caused suffering and death for anyone.

And he is an adult, which is a welcome change from the previous clowncar of a board.
24 hours later and the real life one was:

"We are encouraged by the changes to the OpenAI board. We believe this is a first essential step on a path to more stable, well-informed, and effective governance. Sam, Greg, and I have talked and agreed they have a key role to play along with the OAI leadership team in ensuring OAI continues to thrive and build on its mission. We look forward to building on our strong partnership and delivering the value of this next generation of AI to our customers and partners."
The most plausible explanation I've found is that the pro-safety faction and pro-accel factions were at odds which was why the board was stalemated at a small size.

Altman and Toner came into conflict over a mildly critical paper Toner wrote involving Open AI and Altman tried to have her removed from the board.

This is probably what precipitated this showdown. The pro safety/nonprofit charter faction was able to persuade someone (probably Ilya) to join with them and oust Sam.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/21/technology/openai-altman-...
Let's see, Sam Altman is an incredibly charismatic founding CEO, who some people consider manipulative, but is also beloved by many employees. He got kicked out by his board, but brought back when they realized their mistake.

It's true that this doesn't really pattern-match with the founding story of huge successful companies like Facebook, Amazon, Microsoft, or Google. But somehow, I think it's still possible that a huge company could be created by a person like this.

(And of course, more important than creating a huge company, is creating insanely great products.)
Larry Summers? He has no technical experience, torpedoed the stimulus plan in 2008, and had to resign the Harvard presidency following a messy set of statements about ‘differences’ between the sexes and their mental abilities.

Kind of a shocking choice.
Here's an easter egg in GTA that almost no-one has seen. I can't reveal its meaning. There were sacrifices :p

https://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/3ylmm4/comment/cyet...
The existence of any proteins in any fungus is not an automatic solution for anything - even more energy has to be expended to find it, purify it, test it, and notice any benefit for anything. There are likely a billion such proteins in nature right now that will never be discovered as useful for anything.

Targeted research is likely a shorter and less expensive route to "finding" breakthrough medicines, especially since technology evolves exponentially.
probably a heart emoji.
Related ongoing thread:

We have reached an agreement in principle for Sam to return to OpenAI as CEO - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38375239 - Nov 2023 (179 comments)
Seems a bit awkward to be working again with the people who tried to fire you
Over 75% of foreign money invested into Chinese stocks in 2023 has left
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Even takes an audible breath. I'm kind of annoyed at that actually, it's deceptive.
> must be nervous

I seriously doubt they care. They got away with it. No one should have believed them in the first place. I’m guessing they don’t have their real identity visible on their profile anywhere.
It's not very rare, it's just highly undiagnosed.

My kid got diagnosed with celiac and it's hereditary so me and my SO had to get tested. I didn't have it, they do. Undiagnosed for decades.

Switched to gluten-free diet and they feel SO much better now. But the thing is that humans are really adaptive, you don't know what "good" feels if you've been feeling bad all your life - that's your normal level.
This is supposed to be an explanation of why LLMs are just autocomplete, but you're describing the ability to make connections between ideas across languages semantically as an explanation for why answering questions is learned cross-language, and talking about it like it's not mindblowing by describing how the lookups work in a vector space of ideas and concepts.
These aren't things that everyone gets.

And for the record: I could only climb trees if I didn't get caught, really. If I climbed trees, I might fall and get injured. (I did get injured once: a twig got stuck in my wrist (was a fairly minor injury). Hide and seek only works if you have friends around to play with. I had that during some of elementary school, but we moved before my siblings were similar ages and there weren't other kids around the same age.
They didn’t tweet, but did they communicate in any other way?!
I enjoy learning new things, but my bar for "is this actually better?" seems to be unconsciously higher than it used to be.
Genuinely curious - what’s the comp package like for 72 hours of interim CEOing a 80b company?
Sam does believe in safety. He also knows that there is a first-mover advantage when it comes to setting societal expectations and that you can’t build safe AI by not building AI.
It’s great to see Matt Levine chime in, he often has an incredible well thought out and informed view that is also just incredibly funny to read. That said I am disappointed that he latched on the the entirely imagined idea that this was “profit va safety” which isn’t in any way supported by anything and is just baseless speculation cooked up by spectators.

It’s even directly contrary to the statements from the board and the new CEO, and there is no reason to believe they would lie and keep it hidden if this was in fact their reasoning.
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She's doing her job. This notion that somehow she's holding the fate of humanity in her hands is really drinking the OpenAI/AGI kool-aid in a really cringey way.
it was Monday morning and he didn’t want MSFT stock to crash
Sorry your genetic ancestral memory of the Balkans doesn’t stack up to actually studying the history/economics/politics, visiting and befriending people in all the republics, not just passively listening to a single perspective around the dinner table. But I’m not a racial essentialist so I probably have an easier time absorbing differing narratives without having to decide one is the real truth.

These five are a good start,
I can list some journal articles if you’re interested…

- Yugoslavia, Death of a Nation
- Tito: the story from the inside
- Socialist Unemployment: The Political Economy of Yugoslavia, 1945-1990
- Miss Ex-Yugoslavia
- Religion and The Politics of Identity in Kosovo

PS. Was I right about the educated professionals part, or were you a displaced person whose village was razed?
Personally, I like the elimination of staging and stashing. These always seemed like unnecessarily separate concepts.

But what I'm most interested in exploring is support for first-class conflicts. I hate the weird state of existing git conflict resolution.
This comment is so ridiculous and so orientalist, it has all the stereotypes.

And to add something more constructive, the Americans made a big strategic mistake in bombing out Serbia/Yugoslavia, as many of the people there were some of the most Westernised populace East of Dover. I'm from nearby Romania and somehow I got to listen to one of their national radio stations last week (Radio Belgrade 202 I think), and I have to say that the music there was profoundly Westernised, as in R.E.M. songs and the like in the middle of the day, and we're talking about a State-run radio station. We don't have that here in Romania, where half of the pop music (and more) is now local/Romanian.

Of course that dropping uranium enriched bombs on people's heads, as the US has done, might have changed the opinions of some of them.
Will Satya be accused of stock price manipulation? Any legal professional knows?
GPT-5 is kinda pointless until they make some type of improvement on the data and research side. From what I’ve read it’s not really what OpenAI has been pursuing it
maybe he really had an affirmative statement on this from Sam Altman but nobody signs an employment contract this quickly so it was all still up in the air
It will answer questions about images and/or videos; it's open-source and would compete with some of Chat-GPT 4's advanced features. It's extremely poorly explained on the Github page because it's trying to get interest from other AI researchers with ~256 buzzwords. Great if you already know what it is, extremely unhelpful if you don't.

It seems quite good, ironic that the Github landing page communicates the idea so poorly.
Why does this accusation keep coming up? Sam even confirmed he took the offer in one of the tweets above "when i decided to join msft on sun evening". Contracts are not handcuffs and he was free to change his mind.
Maybe the other two left if Adam would remain.
Compliance is a critical aspect of various industries and organizational structures, encompassing adherence to laws, regulations, and internal policies. It ensures that individuals and entities operate within the established guidelines, fostering ethical behavior, and minimizing risks. Whether in finance, healthcare, technology, or any other sector, compliance plays a pivotal role in maintaining integrity and accountability.
he also retweeted OpenAI's and Sam's announcements
Nothing maybe?
Exactly this. It also moved Microsoft’s share price. Is that not questionable practice?
Yeah the small enterprises that sell "AI detectors" that are not better than a coin toss and actively harm students or any "AI whatever crap" that is 10% call to OpenAI API 90% data collection for ads

Can't say I'm shedding a tear
Bragging rights, party invitations, and one hell of a story.
Sam Altman to return as OpenAI CEO with new board members
Also you won't climb very far if you're not willing to sacrifice at least some of your ethics.
A firm handshake. They had no time to ink a benefits package, my dude.
For reference: https://web.archive.org/web/20070713212949/http://news.ycomb...
What money? None of them had equity
Modern grains are really weird, especially when combined with industrial leavening agents.

I get _really_ bloated if I eat "industrial" wheat bread. Like beach balloon levels of ridiculously bloated.

Sourdough wheat bread: pretty much zero issues. Same with rye bread with no other leavening agents than yeast.

I think this is part of the reason why people feel better when they leave out gluten, it's not the gluten per se but all the other stuff that usually comes with glutinous grains.