skysight-inc/HackerNews huggingface dataset:
There's no evidence thus far in the Roc community thats it's anything like ELM's community.

Seems like the Author of Roc is cool now, that was 5 years ago and hasn't done the thing you fear he might do? people get testy, say things they regret.

I understand trust is earned, but it's been 5 years. and the Roc community thus far have been really nice, welcoming and collaborative. I get Elixir and Ruby community vibes from these contributors.

Pick your battles I guess?
https://www.wsj.com/articles/microsoft-and-openai-forge-awkw...

> Some researchers at Microsoft gripe about the restricted access to OpenAI’s technology. While a select few teams inside Microsoft get access to the model’s inner workings like its code base and model weights, the majority of the company’s teams don’t, said the people familiar with the matter.
Have you ever had a bad day? The consequences for people in power is about 1 million times bigger and more public.

Sutskever didn't get on the board by cunning politicking and schmoozing like most businesspeople with that sort of position. He's an outstanding engineer without upper management skills. Every meet one of those?
The most egregious thing the Boomers did is they watered down the anti-monopoly laws. That was Bill Clinton's regime. I could be wrong on that, maybe it was Ronald Reagan's regime. Either way it was the Boomers.

The enemy of the success of Capitalism is monopolies.
Unwritten social norm #251: it is wholly acceptable to lie under oath to the secret FISA intelligence court to get permission for surveillance on one's political enemies.
There are non-negligible chances that history will be written by Sam Altman and his GPT minions, so he'll probably be viewed favorably.
Not sure where I'd take my chances.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banana_republic

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congo_Free_State

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_India_Company_(disambigua...
Latent consistency models are a pretty radical game changer that came up recently. There are LoRAs [0] that you can just use alongside any SD or SDXL that just cut the number of inference steps you need to 2-8, rather than the usual ~25+. It's as close to magic as one could expect, and on ComfyUI my modest RX 5700XT spits out 512x512 images in probably around a second each, or a couple of seconds for a 4x batch. A more beefy GPU could certainly enable high res, very low latency interactive use.

For even better latency perception, you could hook into the generation steps and have TAESD [1] decoding intermediate latents.

[0] https://huggingface.co/collections/latent-consistency/latent...
[1] https://github.com/madebyollin/taesd
The amount of Argentines who live in Argentina who get paid in dollars is ridiculously small, so small that I'd bet it's statistically insignificant. You're talking about an edge case - developers and analysts, of those developers and analysts, ones that are skilled enough (in their trade and in the english language) to work abroad, and lucky enough to get sought-after remote positions. There's also a very small number of people who are paid in a cryptocurrency tethered to the US dollar.

However, remember that the vast majority of Argentines are paid in pesos. Even with salary adjustments, the vast majority of Argentine salaries cannot keep up with triple digit inflation. Bank accounts have a minimum of double digit interest rates and your money still loses value in relation to inflation. This is a large part of why the poverty rate has increased from a little under a third of the country to over 40% of the country.
> you now have to worry about the dollar-yuan rate, which is not under your control.

How is it under America's control?
how does this differ from a model “router” (e.g. withmartian.com)?
An AGI maybe. GPT-5 is it you?
This is wholly besides the point. The person I'm replying to is clearly saying the only people who believe "GPT is on the path to AGI" are non technical people who don't "truly understand". Blatantly false.

It's like an appeal to authority against an authority that isn't even saying what you're appealing for.
If I were a science fiction author, I would start plotting out a new novel immediately, based on this conjecture: these pairworlds are engineered.

The whole "the galaxy should be settled by now" question has an answer: the galaxy is settled, but the people living there don't care to live close to suns - they prefer to live in planetary binaries sailing through the interstellar void, using the gravitational energy of the orbit to keep the cores of the planets in flux, generating internal heat for energy.

My understanding from the article is that these are mostly gas-giant, Jupiter-like pairs - so maybe these creatures live in those types of planets' atmospheres, and have developed the technology to pair up gas giant worlds and go traveling.

Maybe that's how most sentient life does it! Maybe we're half a million years away from our local Gas Giant Natives packing up their shit (Jupiter & Saturn, Neptune & Uranus) and fucking off to join the greater galactic community, leaving us in the dust to be clobbered by asteroids and other orbital disasters.
Complaining about the level of compensation at Google and Apple (even as far back as 15 years ago) feels like a very, _very_ first world problem.
Adam D'Angelo was brought in as a friend because Sam Altman lead Quora's Series D around the time OpenAI was founded, and he is a board member on Dustin Moskovitz's Asana.

Dustin Moskovitz isn't on the board but gave OpenAI the $30M in funding via his non-profit Open Philantopy [0]

Tasha McCauley was probably brought in due to the Singularity University/Kurziwel types who were at OpenAI in the beginning. She was also in the Open Philanthropy space.

Helen Toner was probably brought in due to her past work at Open Philanthropy - a Dustin Moskovitz funded non-profit working on building OpenAI type initiatives, and was also close to Sam Altman. They also gave OpenAI the initial $30M [0]

Essentially, this is a Donor versus Investor battle. The donors aren't gunna make money of OpenAI's commercial endeavors that began in 2019.

It's similar to Elon Musk's annoyance at OpenAI going commercial even though he donated millions.

[0] - https://www.openphilanthropy.org/grants/openai-general-suppo...
The majority of that money is in the form of Azure credit.

It all pretty much hinges on how much talent you think Microsoft can obtain. I’m going to make a bet that Microsoft poaches between 30 and 70% of open AI key employees.

If they spent $10 billion to achieve this outcome, securing the loyalty of the two founders and attracting double digit percentage of the employees, then they will have conservatively gotten a 5 to 10x return overnight

Edit: I was too conservative, it's looking like 90%
If this was a TV show then it would turn out that Altman was a Microsoft plant from the very beginning
Yes, most likely in Q1 2024. It's trying to follow the DSA EU law
Report that the Mayor has decided not to allow it and will make a statement today: https://twitter.com/MarkKleinmanSky/status/17266150198011822...
from first glance, it looks similar to LiteLLM[0]. Are there any key differences?

Also, in light of this weekend's madness, are you reconsidering using the OpenAI API as the canonical interface? Do you think there could be changes in the future?

[0] https://github.com/BerriAI/litellm
I was paraphrasing what I remember of the blurb of the article. I probably should have used fundraising, though.
Clearly the function of means checking is not to reduce costs as the process is expensive and the ROI compared to combatting tax fraud.

Clearly the function of means checking is not to restrict access to only those in need as it often creates hoops to jump through that can be impenetrable for those who need it the most.

So maybe the function of means checking is to do what it succeeds at doing, which is creating an "us" vs "them" distinction, to give even those scarcely outside the eligibility someone to look down on and accuse of fraud and being "welfare queens" and to maintain a negative attitude toward those in need while strengthening association with those on "your" side even if their financial situation is a thousand lifetimes removed from yours and poverty is only a bad month or health issue away.
I worked (very part-time) a typesetting job for 10+ years. We were making a journal with (sometimes) pretty narrow columns. Microtype was surprisingly helpful, while remaining (almost) invisible to a layman's eye. (Once you know about it, you can spot the differences in letter widths sometimes.)

Interestingly, Guthenberg used very similar techniques with varying the shapes of letters so that the "blackness" of the page could be more uniform.
> what purpose is there in keeping OpenAI around?

Two projects rather than one. At a moderate price. Both serving MSFT. Less risk for MSFT.
I can see why you'd flag the other comments and I apologize for those, but 38327624 (the rootward one) was phrased to not be antagonistic.
This is wholly besides the point. The person I'm replying to is clearly saying the only people who believe "GPT is on the path to AGI" are non technical people who don't "truly understand". Blatantly false.
It's like an appeal to authority against an authority that isn't even saying what you're appealing for.
Seems like a pretty good list, but I think a lot depends on how much you weight each item and how many of the negatives were already "priced in" to the status quo ante when Microsoft was strategically linked to OpenAI without any formal control.
This is really an important topic. I wonder how humanity is going to stay on top of all of the problems in the space of commercialism right now. Its almost like we have a host of vital problems in the world and it feels hopeless to address even a small fraction of them.
For me: compared to C/C++ enforced memory safety and a sensible approach to async/await in a fast language.
I'd like to argue that it is possible to fight the balance game to an extent.

I've also fought a similar battle to you in a similar manner by "fix everything according to best practices."

When it comes to supplements and nutrition, it may be an impossible game, but what's important in finding the right approach is understanding at least the basic mechanism of action and knowing what you're targeting.

What I'm hearing you say is that you had an app with a performance issue, and you couldn't pinpoint whether it was CPU, Memory, Disk, Network, etc, so you solved it by doing a wholesale system upgrade by giving it all the basics that modern science says are the typical health best practices. Magnesium/Iron, exercise, gut biome, oral hygiene, etc to help. All the things you've listed are anti-inflammatory (of course there's other benefits) but generally, anti-inflammatory things are pretty good at making the body run better.

NAC on the other hand, is a precursor to glutathione, a significant anti-inflammatory molecule in the body, and usually the limiting reagent for glutathione synthesis. So it's also arguable that NAC had an anti-inflammatory effect on the body similar to the effects you received from your regimen.

Finding the right supplements are possible for sure. Usually what is needed though is a thorough analysis/observation of someone's diet and then working back the potential malnourishments that are most likely to occur and in alignment with the symptoms. But usually this takes months and years of learning and understanding to even know where to begin when it comes to suggesting a supplement.
Isn't the idea that the cost of the car would go down over time with economies of scale while providing a safer means of transport? Not saying that's the current reality, but that's the goal isn't it?
That's a pretty solid no-confidence vote in the board and their preferred direction.
Media thrive on negativity.

Posted here recently: “All news is bad news” because “People like bad news”

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38336339. (Zero comments)

https://www.slowboring.com/p/media-negativity

When people are “Mad as Hell,” ratings surge.

Network
I remember those days but not the actual costs because I wasn't paying the bills! There were a few occasional months where I was in pretty big trouble for dialing up long distance BBSs or being on the local BBS for too long and racking up exorbitant phone bills.
The bottom line doesn't lie or kiss ass.
ICYMI: Timeline of all the madness https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38351214
So, you threw up in your mouth twice.
The workforce prefers the commericialization/acceleration path, not the "muh safetyism" and over-emphasis on moralism of the non-profit contingent.

They want to develop powerful shit and do it at an accelerated pace, and make money in the process not be hamstrung by busy-bodies.

The "effective altruism" types give people the creeps. It's not confusing at all why they would oppose this faction.
I am surprised that there's less mention of Brook's proposed team organization, a team of 10 led by a surgeon. The team is supposed to work on a single project. Every org I have seen has much smaller teams with much more individual responsibility and attendant coordination problems.

I can see shaving 1-3 people off of Brook's ideal team (we don't need a secretary to type anymore, PM's that organize projects at the behest of a technical leader are effective).

What I have seen over and over is, whoever writes the most code tends to get the most power in an org. Whoever is delivering features quickly gets power. This kind of works, but these coders frequently leave poorly thought out architecture that is hard to extend.
> Still no one has really said what Sam is meant to have done wrong that would cause him to get fired!

From legal and career point of view - no one will say that, outside of a courthouse or memoirs published in like 15 years from now.
Looks interesting. I'm a huge fan of F# and think anything working in that hybridish space is the way to go. I'll have to dedicate some more time to this when I get a moment.
You can put it behind something like cloudflare and make the url something that can't be guessed, but yeah it is not the best. I really wish github would publish a list of IPs it calls from.
> “Syria was called ‘the most aggressive electronic warfare environment on the planet’ by the head of [U.S. Special Operations Command],” Humphreys told Motherboard.

I don't have anything witty to say, just that I found this interesting and also a possible (IMHO likely) explanation.
There's a path back from this disfunction but my sense before this new twist was that the drama had severely impacted OpenAI as an industry leader. The product and talent positioning seemed ahead by years only to get destroyed by unforced errors.

This instability can only mean the industry as a whole will move forward faster. Competitors see the weakness and will push harder.

OpenAI will have a harder time keeping secret sauces from leaking out, and just productivity must be in nose dive.

A terrible mess.
Ha, I moved to L.A. from Chicago and immediately noticed "the Southland" used in exactly the same way.

Another WTF is "the inland empire," also used for some nebulous part of the L.A. area by newscasters only, as far as I can tell.

But then CA absolutely loves meaningless names for stuff, like the perennial "red flag warnings." So... we're being menaced by red flags? Why do we fear them?

And "sigalert." Whatever, man.
> Can OpenAI now make their stuff open source?

Some kind of a leak a real possibility IMO
>create a permanent dynasty of rent seekers

Living off inherited wealth isn't rent seeking; your dynasty doesn't need to collect any rents if you've left a large enough sum of money to them in a trust. They're living entirely off the money you earned fair and square.
Most human beings are motivated by money.
He doesn't say that, but to me he does use a little weasel wording, the whole passive voice "regret my participation in", when to all accounts so far, it seems that he was one of the instigators, and quite possibly the actual instigator of all this.

"regret my participation" sounds much more like "going along with it".
While this is a coup for Microsoft, the problem is that this splits resources MS has to train models. They were already GPU constrained and I assume they have to honor their agreement w/ OpenAI so there is now N/2 GPUs to go around.

(an interesting fiction would be if all the AI companies agreed to combine their efforts to skip a level and advance the world to GPT-6, maybe through a mixture of experts model)
From this post it feels like they never even understood the original comment about going against the project’s goals. The drama created around this is much, much larger than the issue warranted. If Roc keeps this audience away, maybe that is good thing.

Note that they were never prevented from forking the project (how would you even do that), instead they chose to try and stronghand the project into accepting their view, which is also not healthy for OSS. Maybe their Elm fork would be mainstream by now if it really catered to developers’ needs.
Braintrust also provides eval, so nice tie in across both...
You would do a favor to yourself listening full interviews about what he says. Not about what others say that he says.

I do not mean it in a negative tone. But they called him or attribute him so much nonsense that I would not know even where to start...
People managed to navigate planes before GPS existed. I was under the impression they still covered the basics of those methods, at least, when training pilots.

the AM directional beacons planes also use to navigate are rarely well secured, and would be easy to spoof, too. Don't recall hearing any distress about that, and that system has been around for just a little less time than planes have.
"just" is doing a hell of a lot of work there.
In hindsight I agree, but I'm confused why only the comments on "one side" (which all seem to be equally substantive) are being flagged, and not all the participants in general.
Looking forward to ChatGPT exploiting my machine to install Candy Crush every 2 months...
Adam has to be behind this. It is very reminiscent of the situation with Quora and Charlie. https://x.com/gergelyorosz/status/1725741349574480047?s=46&t...
No kidding. It went from the most barebones "Under Construction, check back later" website possible to one of the best proglang homepages I've ever seen.
(I can't comment on the workforce question, but one thing below on bringing SamA back.)

Firstly, to give credit where its due: whatever his faults may be, Altman as the (now erstwhile) front-man of OpenAI, did help bring ChatGPT to the popular consciousness. I think it's reasonable to call it a "mini inflection point" in the greater AI revolution. We have to grant him that. (I've criticized Altman harsh enough two days ago[1]; just trying not to go overboard, and there's more below.)

That said, my (mildly-educated) speculation is that bringing Altman back won't help. Given his background and track record so far, his unstated goal might simply be the good old: "make loads of profit" (nothing wrong it when viewed with a certain lens). But as I've already stated[1], I don't trust him as a long-term steward, let alone for such important initiatives. Making a short-term splash with ChatGPT is one thing, but turning it into something more meaningful in the long-term is a whole another beast.

These sort of Silicon Valley top dogs don't think in terms of sustainability.

Lastly, I've just looked at the board[2], I'm now left wondering how come all these young folks (I'm their same age, approx) who don't have sufficiently in-depth "worldly experience" (sorry for the fuzzy term, it's hard to expand on) can be in such roles.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38312294

[2] https://news.ycombinator.com/edit?id=38350890
> B: So what? This LLM was trained on nothing but tax records from 1929!

I recon a sufficiently advanced AI could learn enough to do that from only that training data and some appropriate prompting.
Also, GOOG with no particularly relevant news today has gone up more than MSFT since the markets opened this morning.
> TigerBeetle detects and repairs disk corruption (3.45% per 32 months, per disk), detects and repairs misdirected writes where the disk firmware writes to the wrong sector (0.042% per 17 months, per disk)

I'm kind of speechless actually, both at the fact that it can do that and the fact that disk firmwares are actually so bad
Really? Could you point me to one of those sites?
Only the Groups discussion is contemporary and the actual content is a decade old. Making assumptions about dates is really fucking stupid. Mind bogglingly so. Even an abbreviated year like "'23" is better than nothing.
Notice that Andrej Karpathy didn't sign.
Source? Where did that money come from?
Probably closer to a sphere than this! "It will have a diameter of 120 metres, the same as the London Eye, and be 96 metres tall"
i thought the orders of magnitudes faster benchmarks were around lazy evaluation, and probably wouldn't apply here.
Sure, we can burn animals for energy, but the following process:

Nature -> Petroleum -> Refinery -> Power Plant -> Simulation -> R&D -> Production -> Testing -> Drug

is significantly less efficient than:

Nature -> Testing -> Drug

The argument is that we could likely be advancing biotech industries at an even faster rate.

The time energy that goes into designing something is valuable, and we lose access to that once we lose access to that species.

Put in Douglas Adams terms: "If you try to take a apart a cat to find out how it works, the first thing you have on your hands is a non-working cat."
LiteLLM is a great project. The key differences (from what I can tell) are that:

a) This is hosted
b) Supports caching and load balancing
c) Can manage multiple providers behind a single API key
d) Implemented in Typescript (vs. Python)

On the other hand, LiteLLM is a more mature project and supports significantly more model providers than we currently do!
I might very well make my kids "landed gentry" myself, given the chance, but I wouldn't go around pretending it was a virtuous choice on my part. Nor would I write as though somebody else were evil because they happened, for largely unrelated reasons, to disrupt my plans for doing it.

Whereas this toady is so bent on having an overclass that he's doing that on behalf of others.

... and the pledge thing is the same, really. In order to have some hypocritical desire to signal adherence to some ideal, you first have to believe it's an ideal. Those people have no need to "placate the masses" in the sense of there being an imminent risk of torches and pitchforks. They're doing it at most for prestige... and prestige only counts if it's among people whose opinions you actually care about.
Idea: CodeFeed
But they did so because the European owned banks were active in the US serving US customers (and solvent enough to repay) which is why they had the dollar obligations they needed to borrow to meet in the first place.

Argentina or Panama having a bit of an economic slowdown whilst the US is growing nicely isn't the Fed's problem: the monetary policy decisions will only take into account to the monetary policy needs of the US, and it's not particularly in the interests of the Fed to bail out Argentine bank reserve shortfalls unless the contagion is likely to hit the Us either.
Why should all trade contribute to climate change?

If I have a solar panel factory, and I sell you a panel, so you can make green electricity - isn't that good for you, me AND the planet?
My favorite feature of this package is how it expands/contracts letters so that hyphenation is almost entirely gone in a fully justified text. I personally hate the hyphenation of words: they sometimes create ambiguity (incidental hyphens at the end of a line vs hyphens in the original word) and the hyphenation points always seem unintuitive to me.