skysight-inc/HackerNews huggingface dataset:
We should just say X. Not "X (formerly Twitter), not X-itter, or anything. It's called X, if that name is stupid and unclear that's on them.
> If you have built an unsafe AI, you delete the code and burn down the building

But it doesn't need to get to that end point - if the board thought that the decisions the CEO had made or likely to make in the future would not lead to the core goal of "building AGI that is safe and benefits all of humanity" - because, for example, future work would be dominated by links to Microsoft, or he would be distracted by building other for profit companies that built on OpenAI work, they they would also be right to sack him even if it meant destroying the profitability/growth of the company.

I think the structure of OpenAI was a hideous idea - but I can't help but feel the board may have acted according to the rules they'd been given.
Now the blue tick has same effect on me on Twitter that the red N logo has on any film that came from the Netflix formula factory. I already know it’s going to be bad, regurgitated. Does everyone have a Twitter blue tick now? Or is that just a char people are using in their names?
It's such a busy station for being a local station (out of the TfL station types, the least-used), and the District Line beyond this is often quite crowded at rush hour -- it's rare that I get a seat starting from Turnham Green at rush hour.

Having the Piccadilly stopping here during the day would allow for better passenger distribution -- I've often found that one or the other line is brimming with passengers even when the other is half-empty.
There weren’t 200 holdouts. It was like 5 AM over there. I don’t know why you are surprised that people who work at OpenAI would want to work at OpenAI, esp over Microsoft?
It is a latency/throughput tradeoff. I haven't really see how VPP works, but I don't expect it actually waits for a vector of packets to be completed. Likely it buffers batch 2 while it is still processing batch 1. As soon as it is done, it starts processing batch 2 and begins buffering batch 3.

I wouldn't be surprised if this actually reduces variance.
Can you elaborate on the long con?
That’s not really what the commenter was asking. That’d be false advertising in the US too.

I think the question is less “if they skip on parts and lie” and more along the lines of incompleteness. Like “it’s an HTTP server, but they saved on effort and implement put as post, which works fine for most of use cases”.

That said, I’d guess this would be a pretty hard case to win. The law typically requires intent when false advertising, so if they didn’t know they didn’t follow the spec they might be fine. And it depends on the claims and what the consumer can expect. Like, if you deliberately don’t say explain the exact spec your SSD complies with, and you make no explicit promises of compatibility, it’s a harder win. Like I bet few SSD manufacturers will say “Serial ATA v3.5 (may 2023) tested and compatible with OpenXFS commit XYZ on Debian Linux running kernel version 4.3.2”. But if they say “super fast SSD with a physical SATA cable socket”, then what really was false if it doesn’t support the full spec?
Huh, you'd think all you need are some books on the subject and some fairly generic lab equipment. Not sure what a neural net trained on Internet dumps can add to that? The information has to be in the training data for the AI to be aware of it, correct?
A board member, Helen Toner, made a borderline narcissistic remark that it would be consistent with the company mission to destroy the company when the leadership confronted the board that their decisions puts the future of the company in danger. Almost all employees resigned in protest. It's insulting calling the employees under these circumstances investors.
To me in a lot of cases it seems even as a reviewer, it's harder to understand big picture if someone splits up the PRs.

But as a code writer myself, for example, if I am building a new feature, firstly it's really hard for me to know what the whole thing would look like without going through it all and it's probably very iterative process as I'm doing it, so I usually wouldn't be able to split it up or it would very suboptimal to split it up before I've finished everything.

Then I would try to split it up as I've finished to appease reviewers, but again, it requires whole lot of creativity to do. Should I try to split up shared component first? Because I surely can't split up whatever is using those shared components. If I do then, people won't see whatever is implementing those shared components so they won't have understanding on why those shared components provide certain functionality etc.

Overall it complicates a lot it seems because if I was to do it during my iterative process then I would write a PR, later refactor bunch of it anyway, and I would do it in the order that feels best for me, but wouldn't necessarily be easy to understand for anyone not within it.
I have a Sabrent M2 in my own PC, bought it because it was the cheapest option. Incidentally I suspect it's the cause of system-wide slowdown in the past few months, even opening the file explorer takes over ten seconds sometimes.
Heh back in the day I memorized it by remembering that if I didn't know it, I could get myself in TRouBLe.
That was what Flutter was initially built for IIRC.

Google would like to have Dart replace JavaScript too.
The idea is to have an opensource compiler (to avoid lock in) and a paid IDE-style tool.
I’ve similarly seen a lot of “TF card reader slots” instead of “micro SD card” slots.
Worked for me with VPN to USA.
Machine intelligence (2015)
As someone who knows the people and the place, I have to say that a lot of the political takes I ever heard from regular Serbians have either been of a fatalistic self-defeating kind ("everything is shit and it cannot be changed") or of a nationalist self-defearing kind ("everything is shit and it is the fault of $other_nations").

I can emotionally understand why the stances are often so fatalistic — it has to do with the way society in Serbia works on a daily basis — but as a foreigner who worked there once and has friends living there I could witness myself that a lot of the problems there are home grown. The focus on the unfair outside world is a great way to ignore the shit that goes on at home.

That being said I have been talking about regular Serbs. Like everywhere you will also find sharp analytical minds with singular positions in Serbia and it is well worth listening to them.

I don't believe any serious intellectual position in the west still believes the myth of the end of history.
It's mostly that it's a can of worms no one wants to open. Very much a last resort as its very tricky to use uncoordinated violence effectively (just killing Sam, LeCunn and Greg doesnt do too much to move the needle and then everyond armors up) and very hard to coordinate violence without a leak.
What the world has missed by forgetting Riccioli
That’s like saying adding a wheelchair lift to a building is ableist. By definition equity requires acknowledging and catering towards different demographics in different ways. I guess if you want to be pedantic, it’s discrimination, but in this case, that’s a good thing.

You could also argue that equity is a bad thing, but I wholeheartedly disagree with that. However, your argument is simply logically unsound.
It has payed only fraction of that so far
I always use `display: flex` for that.
As far as I understand, they knew and agreed to that before committing their $$$.
The food is very authentic and the rakija is one of the best ive tried. But sadly theres not a big kafana feel to it unless theres a big event.
> Pretty soon AI will be an expert at subtly steering you toward thinking/voting for whatever the "safety" experts want.

You are absolutely right. There is no question about that the AI will be an expert at subtly steering individuals and the whole society in whichever direction it does.

This is the core concept of safety. If no-one steers the machine then the machine will steer us.

You might disagree with the current flavour of steering the current safety experts give it, and that is all right and in fact part of the process. But surely you have your own values. Some things you hold dear to you. Some outcomes you prefer over others. Are you not interested in the ability to make these powerful machines if not support those values, at least not undermine them? If so you are interested in AI safety! You want safe AIs. (Well, alternatively you prefer no AIs, which is in fact a form of safe AI. Maybe the only one we have mastered in some form so far.)

> because of X, we need to invade this country.

It sounds like you value peace? Me too! Imagine if we could pool together our resources to have an AI which is subtly manipulating society into the direction of more peace. Maybe it would do muckraking investigative journalism exposing the misdeeds of the military-industrial complex? Maybe it would elevate through advertisement peace loving authors and give a counter narrative to the war drums? Maybe it would offer to act as an intermediary in conflict resolution around the world?

If we were to do that, "ai safety" and "alignment" is crucial. I don't want to give my money to an entity who then gets subjugated by some intelligence agency to sow more war. That would be against my wishes. I want to know that it is serving me and you in our shared goal of "more peace, less war".

Now you might say: "I find the idea of anyone, or anything manipulating me and society disgusting. Everyone should be left to their own devices.". And I agree on that too. But here is the bad news: we are already manipulated. Maybe it doesn't work on you, maybe it doesn't work on me, but it sure as hell works. There are powerful entities financially motivated to keep the wars going. This is a huuuge industry. They might not do it with AIs (for now), because propaganda machines made of meat work currently better. They might change to using AIs when that works better. Or what is more likely employ a hybrid approach. Wishing that nobody gets manipulated is frankly not an option on offer.

How does that sound as a passionate argument for AI safety?
I came across Ninite today and saw that they had 2 employees and was a YC company. It felt quite interesting. They didn't fit the framework of "break things, do stuff" strategy of blitzscaling.

I tried to use "5+ years" as a proxy for survival, but that is a very weak metric as many companies are inactive, had dead domains or the cofounder LinkedIn showing a different story. But the "5+ years" does remove fund raising companies.

Most folks in HN dream of having a solo business with them being the owner-operator. This list provides an interesting database of things that spans from "Boeing for electric planes" to essentially job-boards or newsletters.
"They have a different set of information than you do,"

Their bank accounts current and potential future numbers?
There's another fun aspect of this -- combined with the lubrication, it leaves escalator rails near some lines absolutely filthy. I've got a pair of trousers permanently stained because I put my hand on the rail while walking down the escalator to the Northern Line at Embankment, didn't notice it had become absolutely covered in black gunk, and then touched my thigh.

This seems to be a problem almost exclusively on deep tube line escalators, in my experience.
The public and private interests financing the bulk of the research?
Tell me how the board's actions could convince the employees they are making the right move?

Even if they are genuine in believing firing Sam is to keep OpenAI's founding principles, they can't be doing a better job in convincing everyone they are NOT able to execute it.

OpenAI has some of the smartest human beings on this planet, saying they don't think critically just because they don't vote with what you agree is reaching reaching.
yes, you can download community edition
It sounds like he was/is a personable engineering manager that paid attention to detail. Making sure parts match the drawings, bringing in outsiders to have a second look at things, etc.
Any word on the (public) timeline for Gemini?
There’s evidence to suggest that a central group have pressured the broader base of employees into going along with this, as posted elsewhere in the thread.
But if you are doing by commit and it later gets iteratively refactored, wouldn't that be a huge waste of time?

How would you know what to critically evaluate in such case?
For what it's worth when we had a few acres in the country our kids didn't really want to leave. Now that we live where they can bike with friends they want to go do that. But I am not happy with how many screens are in the school.
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I started this just a couple of days ago, so it's very buggy and bare bones.

I would love some contributions to make this a robust service. Here's the github repo: https://github.com/technoabsurdist/transcript.ai
I spent a good chunk of my youth in the kafana, AMA :)

Joking aside, my feelings about it are mixed. I have fond memories of good laughs and parties with friends, but also can't help but notice a lot of black outs and hangovers the day after :) don't get me wrong though, if you are a tourist, you should definitely experience it.
You could say the same about any person on the top. In general CEO's do not do research. Still they are critical for success.

By the way the AI scientists get a lot of respect and admiration see Ilya for example.
I disagree that there is orthogonality. Have we killed us all with nuclear weapons, for example? Anyone can make up any story - at the very least there needs to be a proven mechanism. The precautionary principle is not useful when facing totally hypothetically issues.

People purposefully avoided probabilities in high risk existential situations in the past. There is only one path of events and we need to manage that one.
https://twitter.com/emilychangtv/status/1727228431396704557

The reputation boost is probably worth a lot more than the direct financial compensation he's getting.
nitter.net is, the mirrors are not.

iirc, twitter turned off all anonymous access, unless you come from a search engine, then you get a limit number of requests. So zedeus came up with an idea to make a massive pool of search engine'd api tokens and use those to keep nitter up. The mirrors would have to copy that idea, and few (0?) have atm.
Let's create toggleable Laravel routes for specific environments using PHP attributes.
Which users? The greatest crimes, by far, are committed by the US government (and other governments around the world) - and you can be sure that AI and/or AGI will be designed to help them commit their crimes more efficiently, effectively and to manufacture consent to do so.
No, a lot of people just never master self control.
there is a lot of money made (100m paid users?) by everyone and momentum so groupthink is forced to occur kind of.
> If you think the threat is real, how are we not already screwed?

That's the current Yudkowsky view. That it's essentially impossible at this point and we're doomed, but we might as well try anyway as its more "dignified" to die trying.

I'm a bit more optimistic myself.
I’m sorry, but that’s all kayfabe. If there is one thing that’s been demonstrated in this whole fiasco, it’s who really has all the power at OpenAI (and it’s not the board).
Got any suggested reads on this? I have annoying sporadic rhinitis flare ups and I've always suspected a link with food. Would love to see if there's a way to determine what foods may be an issue!
> Proliferation of more advanced AIs without any control would increase the power of some malicious groups far beyond they currently have.

Don't forget that it would also increase the power of the good guys. Any technology in history (starting with fire) had good and bad uses but overall the good outweighed the bad in every case.

And considering that our default fate is extinction (by Sun's death if no other means) - we need all the good we can get to avoid that.
The biggest current hurdle is that it breaks on longer videos (typically around 10+ minutes).

I'd love some feedback, and even more some contributions.
1960s-70s: pebble dashing.

1970s-80s: stone cladding.

1980s-90s: cream brickwork, porticos

1990s-00s: boxes with white upvc windows, red tiles, garages

2020s: grey plague - grey windows, grey doors, grey plastic faux-wood cladding, grey roof tiles, car 'ports'.

The current awful trend would be hilarious if it wasn't actually dangerous. And by that I mean modern UK houses are very, very well insulated. And we recorded our first 40C temperature in England. There's a reason why houses in the Mediterranean are absolutely not grey, and are very definitely white. There have even been one or two TV programmes where they've measured these houses and apartments having indoor temperatures of high 20s low 30s C, long after the sun has set.
I am a little less free speech than Americans, in Germany we have serious limitations around hate speech and holicaust denial for example.

Putting thise restrictions into a tool like ChatGPT goes to far so, because so far AI still needs a prompt to do anything. The problem I see, is with ChatGPT, being trained on a lot hate speech or prpopagabda, slipts in those things even if not prompted to. Which, and I am by no means an AI expert not by far, seems to be a sub-problem of the hallucination problems of making stuff up.

Because we have to remind ourselves, AI so far is glorified mavhine learning creating content, it is not concient. But it can be used to create a lot of propaganda and deffamation content at unprecedented scale and speed. And that is the real problem.
They tried but it did not work. They needed billions for the compute time and top tier talent but were only able to collect millions.
right . why don't you creat a chatgpt like innovation or even AGI and do things your way? So many people just know how to complain on what other people build and forget that no one is stopping you from innovating the way you like it.
[Late update: I am a genius]
Yes they need to change their name. Having "Open" in their name is just a big marketing lie.
Red to reflect the fact that it is actually Hell.
So the outcome of that is that you either destroy the company or you’re out? Either outcome is the same from your perspective, you chose to no longer have any say in what happens next
GPT-4 is likely trained on some data not publicly available as well.

There's also a distinction between trying to follow some broad textbook information and getting detailed feedback from an advanced conversational AI with vision and more knowledge than in a few textbooks/articles in real time.
We hit the jackpot when we moved and by chance ended up about 100 meters from a street with a critical mass of kids right around my kids' age. My daughters can bike in the street with them after dinner in summer. It's not the city I wanted to settle in forever (Hilversum, NL) but the minute I can buy a house next to the other kids, I'm doing it.
AI isn’t a precondition for partisanship. How do you know Google isn’t showing you biased search results? Or Wikipedia?
>What do you propose they do?

To participate in politics to end this farce in American urban planning when they grow up. Like the previous 2-3 generations should have done.
Listen to better podcasts. :P
Alignment is considered an extremely hard problem for a reason. It's already nigh impossible when you're dealing with humans.

Btw: do you think ridicule eould be helpful here?
One of the main issues is that veterans who are deployed may, through no fault of their own, not be in a position to challenge say a court decision or otherwise exercise their right within the normal time limit allowed. Even if they are not deployed abroad, they may be forced to move at a moment's notice when other people usually have the time to make preparations and thus may not get mail immediately.
I've left a related comment somewhere else in in the thread, but it's interesting that here in neighbouring Romania the practice/science of Cybernetics was quite well regarded almost until the communist government fell.

Its heyday had certainly been back in the '70s, as in the '80s the focus shifted to some other stuff thanks to energy inputs getting too expensive and us becoming bankrupt because of that (someone should write a history of the alternative energy sources tried by the communist government back then, some of which are now getting tested by the West, too), but for sure people weren't getting sent to prison because of it.

Here's [1] a list of Cybernetics-related books published before 1989 that I can find at an old-books store here in Bucharest, and that search reminded me that one of the main proponents of Cybernetics around these parts was Manea Manescu [2], a guy which had been prime-minister of communist Romania in the '70s (just before that he had been in charge of the State Planning Committee) and who stood by Ceausescu's side until the very end (that list of books I linked to includes a book with his name on it).

[1] https://www.targulcartii.ro/cauta/cibernetica?filter_name=ci...

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manea_M%C4%83nescu
The weird thing is that nobody seems interested in _not_ being anxious.
I think only a minority of the general public truly cares about AI Safety

That doesn't matter that much. If your analysis is correct then it means a (tiny) minority of OpenAI cares about AI safety. I hope this isn't the case.
Exactly. 3 CEO switches in a week is ridiculous
I’m not an expert, just my gut talking. If they had god in a box, US state would be much more hands on. Now it looks more like an attempt at regulatory capture to stifle competition. ”Think of the safety”! ”Lock this away”! If they actually had skynet US gov has very effective and very discreet methods to handle such clear and present danger (barring intelligence failure ofc, but those happen mostly because something falls under your radar).
He says nice things about his team (and even about his critics) when in public.

But my reading of this drama is that the board were seen as literally insane, not that Altman was seen as spectacularly heroic or an underdog.
In large corps it could be yes. In smaller and more nimble companies/start ups, there's a lot of good pipelines.
> In reality, we can and should be outraged when corporations betray their own statements and supposed values.

There are only three groups of people who could be subject to betrayal here: employees, investors, and customers. Clearly they did not betray employees or investors, since they largely sided with Sam. As for customers, that's harder to gauge -- did people sign up for ChatGPT with the explicit expectation that the research would be "open"?

The founding charter said one thing, but the majority of the company and investors went in a different direction. That's not a betrayal, but a pivot.
It doesn't seems to be related to the controller: the same phison controller was in some model that failed and some models that passed.

(see later in the thread: https://twitter.com/xenadu02/status/1496770658750980103)
Where Ilya will go next then? I assume he won't stay at OpenAI for too long after all this poop-show.
If gender was relevant to how an AI development company board operates then yes.
Doesn't make sense that after such a broad board capitulation the next one will have any power, and media scrutiny isn't a powerful governance mechanism