skysight-inc/HackerNews huggingface dataset:
A technology in the R&D phase is almost never profitable until later matured, that's why engaging in that type of business is called an investment.

Once upon a time there was probably someone who said it was silly to spend a couple million dollars to do the job of a secretary making 50 cents per hour, but now here we are, typing these comments with computers.
What do folks here make of Ilya's comments about human intelligence, and Elon Musk's fear mongering? Could it be that they've had a breakthrough?
I think it's interesting to think about the biggest outliers in performance in the past. I was lucky enough to experience the Apple 2 and then later Amiga 1000 in their respective eras. Each of these were ~5 years earlier than similarly capable machines.

I had color games on my Apple 2 (Woz and his incredible NTSC/PAL coloring hacks) long before i had color video games on any other system, including the much later IBM PC era where CGA/EGA/VGA was an add-on feature. When the much later C64 came out the Apple 2 still played pretty much the same games, just without the audio.

The Amiga had hardware acceleration for graphics and sound as standard, long before other systems did the same thing and again was way ahead of contemporaries. Less Woz style cleverness in hardware and more "throw in every feature from the start" architecture. Still there's a reason this system is so popular in the demoscene today. This used to wow people with the graphics even in the Windows 95 era and i used to explain to people "we've had this computer since 1985" to much disbeleif.
Can you mine 13bn+ bitcoin with 13bn worth of Azure compute power?
Exactly this. I saw another commenter raise this point about Tasha (and Helen, if I remember correctly) noting that her LinkedIn profile is filled with SV-related jargon and indulge-the-wife thinktanks but without any real experience taking products to market or scaling up technology companies.

Given the pool of talent they could have chosen from their board makeup looks extremely poor.
I would think OpenAI is basically toast.
They arent coming back, these people will quit and this will end up in court.

Everyone just assumes AGI is inevetible but it is a non-zero chance we just passed the ai peak this weekend.
Well actually I'll have to eat my words on that one - I didn't catch that Annex K in C11 includes `getenv_s` (even if it is optional).
> There are private hospitals all over the world. I would daresay, they're more common than public ones, from a global perspective.

Outside of the US, private hospitals tend to be overtly for-profit. Price-gauging "non-profit" hospitals are mostly an American phenomenon.
Classic "You get promoted until you are incompetent" situation
Look at OS market and Text Editor market today. They aren't growth markets and haven't been since the 2000s at the latest. He made the fight call to ignore their core products in return for more concentration on Infra, B2B SaaS, Security, and (as you mentioned) Entertainment.

Customers are sticky and MSFT had a strong channel sales and enterprise sales org. Who cares if the product is shit if there are enough goodies to maintain inertia.

Spending billions on markets that will grow into 10s or 100s of Billions is a better bet than billions on a stagnant market.

> he was hands-off on existing products in a way that Bill Gates wasn't

Ballmer had an actual Business education, and was able to execute on scaling. I'm sure Bill loves him too now that Ballmer's protege almost 15Xed MSFT stock.
So what you've been doing actually? Asking bc DDD has a blurry meaning. The article itself does not expand it well
I don’t believe it was ever about principles for Ilya. It sure seems like it was always his ego and a power grab, even if he's not aware of that himself.

When a board is unhappy with a highly-performing CEO’s direction, you have many meetings about it and you work towards a resolution over many months. If you can’t resolve things you announce a transition period. You don’t fire them out of the blue.
"Elon Musk says" is a fine indicator that the rest of the sentence has a questionable relationship with verifiable reality.

https://elonmusk.today/
Is he trying to silence them, or is he reacting to fraudulent conspiracy to defame?

They still got a twitter account: https://twitter.com/mmfa

They have a post there saying they'll win the suit.

Compare to the actual censorship of Alex Berenson, for example.
I always assumed that a Death Star blast is rather expensive, so they only had the ability to do one at a time.
At the time, the law authorizing private bank contractor 'federal reserve' didn't authorize those European actions.
>Isn't the idea that ...

Sure, in the sense that's the idea behind lots of things. But there is an awful lot of handwaving about how to concretely get there.

The overall goal of using self-driving technology to reduce human deaths and injuries is clearly admirable. What's less clear is a) if it is technologically achievable and b) if any of the current efforts are scaled appropriately to get there over a decade or two.

The early self-driving hype was pretty depressing to behold. It was obviously an Apollo sized or bigger effort, and people were actually getting traction with the laughable idea that we'd "get there" in 2-3 years with a few 10k of engineers (or less, I'm estimating conservatively).
My iPad connects to the internet quite seamlessly via bluetooth tethering through my iPhone, so I could cheap out and get the Wi-Fi model (and not pay for an additional monthly mobile plan). They could make this even more transparent and seamless, easily, why stick a piece of hardware instead?

Because their investment in acquiring Intel's modem division is resulting in an uncompetitive product and they need an excuse to pretend to use it?
Serious question - does anti-competitive behavior even apply to open source? Also, it's the open source chromium, not necessarily the browser Chrome, that dominates the browser market. The largest players in the industry, except for Apple, have lined-up to support chromium. Firefox is going against the grain. Is it Google's job to help them with their mission? Loosely speaking, in anti-competitive scenarios you have to show how a significant faction of the consumers are being harmed. You're going to have a tough time with that one.
The market opportunity is many of orders of magnitude larger than taxi/rideshare programs.
I have no idea if you are genuinely arguing in favor of or against something here, or just playing devil's advocate.
The board committed it.
Nah I bet it leaks within a couple weeks. That information has, uh, wings. Given any way out it will find it.
There's a certain infini-grudge-holding, emotional, drama-stirring archetype of software developer that's best left out of the community, especially that of a new, fledgling one.

It's always the same story, too. Someone felt personally wronged by something actually quite minor like their their PR getting ignored/rejected with perhaps a tone too snappy for them, and now they have a personal vendetta until the end of time with no rock nor HN comment section left unturned from them lingering in the past.

Sometimes you need to leave the theater and let the rest of us enjoy the show.

Hopefully a mod sinks this entire thread so we can read interesting thoughts about Roc.
Argentina is mostly white, Christian and doesn't have any part in the internecine blood feuds that roil South Asia or the middle east. Lots of land, and well educated. No history of slavery (well at least not like its neighbor Brazil). So, yeah, it'd be a great addition to the USA. I'd take it.
Last week over the span of 2 days at least 106 private jets carrying 2-12 people each flew in to Las Vegas - rich folk heading in to watch F1.
I’d like to see Democrats ask their wealthy donors to give that up.
Every Thinkpad I've bought in the past 15 years has had an integrated modem option. I don't travel much so I've never bought it, but it seems to be a common option for business laptops. I've definitely seen others using them.
The problem is that the current govt wasn't taking its medicine. It continued spending more, subsidizing everything and supressing the exchange rates ARS-USD.

I'm from Argentina, and I didn't want either of the final options, but I knew that choosing the continuity of the current govt would bring us closer and closer to what's happening in Venezuela
Inversion founder here.

Most galleries do not provide production capital, and when they do, there become arguments about who owns the work produced. It's a very bad idea and the savviest artists we've worked with don't let their galleries pay for production.

We already have 7 artists we work with. They joined us because the language we use on our website is totally transparent about our plans and incentives. One of them is a Guggenheim Fellow who has had two institutional solo exhibitions just in the 6 months we have been working with them. One of them invented the NFT and has work in the Whitney collection. Another has works in the Smithsonian, the Guggenheim, LACMA, MoMA, and nearly every other major art museum.

Regarding 3 months being very short. We work with each artist for 5 years. It's only the residency that lasts 3 months.
God I hate screenshots of text. The meanest people on Mastondon always seem to express themselves this way because they know if they use words like "nazi" their posts will just disappear in people's keyword filters.

I wish I had a filter that attempted an OCR and blocks screenshots, image memes, and all that worthless crap.
There are plenty of laptops with an optional integrated modem. Most of them are top of the line models like Thinkpads, Elitebooks, etc.
RSS died (kinda) not because of Google Reader but because of Google Chrome. When Chrome came out and everyone jumped ship, all other browsers natively supported reading RSS which chrome still does not do to this date. Chrome still shows RSS as raw XML instead of making it readable.
I didn't flag that one I don't think, but I suspect the use of "cope" set some folks off.
Agreed, but these aren't "solved" issues for any social media company, yet it's X taking all the political heat. I get shoplifting videos on my instagram feed and half the comments are extremely racist, followed by an advertisement. I'm sure facebook is the same and god knows what goes on with Tiktok.
theoretically their concern is around AI safety - whatever it is in practice doing something like that would instantly signal to everyone that they are the bad guys and confirm everyone's belief that this was just a power grab

Edit: since it's being brought up in thread they claimed they closed sourced it because of safety. It was a big controversial thing and they stood by it so it's not exactly easy to backtrack
>Except that Microsoft nor Sam is responsible for the breaking of OpenAI.

How do you know?

We don't know the reasons for Altman's dismissal in the first place.

Maybe MS was involved and the board acted in panic mode to prevent an hostile takeover.

>ignoring warnings from 80% of employees

The warning came after the firing.
All these job queue implementations do the same thing right, SELECT ... FOR UPDATE SKIP LOCKED? Why does every programming language need its own variant?
To me, this sounds very similar to the type of over-hyped, exaggerated response when someone criticized cryptocurrencies by saying they don't do anything. The response would be:

-I'm literally drinking a coffee I bought with bit coin right now.

-I was able to send large sums of money to my grandma in another country while paying a fraction of the fees going through banks

-It's a stable store of value for people in volatile countries with unstable currency

-It's an investment available to the small timers, normally only the wealthy have these opportunities

-It lets me pay artists for their art directly and bypass the corrupt middlemen

this is a forum coding so i have no idea what any of that biology mumbo jumbo means, but everything you mentiond about chatgtp is conveniently missing a lot of details.

>write some code, it writes some pretty decent code.
Is it trivial code? Is it code that shows up on the first page of any search engine with the same terms?

>it gives me a summary.
Is it an accurate summary? Is it any better than just reading the first and last section of the report directly?
I've had a laptop with a cellular modem for almost 4 years now and there's zero chance I'm ever going back to a laptop without one. Maybe framework next time around, if my laptop had some GPIOs too!? Heaven.
I think some of the surface tablets have one, although they are technically not a laptop
But it does suggest a possibility of the appearance of a sudden motive:

Open AI implements and releases ChatGPTs (Poe competitor) but fails to tell D’Angelo ahead of time. Microsoft will have access to code (with restrictions, sure) for essentially a duplicate of D’Angelo’s Poe project.

Poe’s ability to fundraise craters. D’Angelo works the less seasoned members of the board to try to scuttle OpenAI and Microsoft’s efforts, banking that among them all he and Poe are relatively immune with access to Claude, Llama, etc.
Altman's bio is so typical. Got his first computer at 8. My parents finally opened the wallet for a cheap E-Machine when I went to college.

Altman - private school, Stanford, dropped out to f*ck around in tech. "Failed" startup acquired for $40M. The world is full of Sam Altmans who never won the birth lottery.

Could he have squandered his good fortune - absolutely, but his life is not exactly per ardua ad astra.
You could get 15GB for $20 on Mint, but I already don’t use up that data on my phone so
Um, equity isn't the only way to distribute profits...

edit: 'tho TBF, the other methods do require ethical management behavior down the road, which was just shown to be lacking in the last few days.
Clear to you. But in courts of law it may take a while to be clear.
- Github Purchase, Linkedin Purchase
- Aligned Microsoft towards "openness" culturally
- VS Code + Typescript
- Partnership with Open AI which might make bing actually be used

might be missing some more but Satya is like a S tier CEO, compared to Sundar who doesn't seem very good at his role.
If Tesla succeeds in their FSD ambitions (vision only), and they are actually correct that HW3/4 (current tesla hardware) is capable of full self driving, the economics will make sense, and we're a software update away from having millions of self driving taxis already on the roads

That's a lot of ifs, so I'm not at all saying its right around the corner, but it's within the set of possible outcomes. V12 is looking quite promising, but then again so was V11 and V10
Increasingly big tech sees users as prey rather than customers.

Google seems ambivalent in this respect, but there is no question where MS's heart lies.
Nobody seems to be considering the possibility, that ChatGPT will go offline soon. Because it's known to be losing money per query, and if the evil empire decides to stop those Azure credits...
Oops, that's a bug - just opened an issue for it: https://github.com/roc-lang/roc/issues/6027

Thanks for pointing it out!
> They're living entirely off the money you earned fair and square.

And who actually makes that money? Those who pay rent, either in actual rent if you invested into real estate, or in one or another kind of fees, that you(r kids) can set (almost) at will.

Getting to that point where you are a rent seeker is the core issue at heart of SV-style capitalism. Use and burn enormous amounts of VC to destroy entrenched industry by price dumping (and in some cases like taxis, actually providing a better service), then either acquire or destroy your competition, and finally you have complete control over the market in a way that it would require enormous amounts of money to even be anything close to a threat to you (and at that point, you acquire them). Additionally, use the income from your market stranglehold to pivot into new ventures, because you can do so with ease. The best examples for how that played out are Microsoft, Facebook, Amazon, Google and, to a bit, Apple. Utterly dominant in their respective fields, and all at the control of one or more money spigots. And this is why these companies were and are valued at the valuations they have... investors assess companies on their chance of getting to such a dominant position, to then reap the benefits of the money spigot.
Goodhart's law: “When a measure becomes a target, it ceases to be a good measure.”
Explaining how the gazelle is going to get eaten confidently jumping into the oasis isn't advocating for the crocodiles. See sibling comments.

Experience leads to pattern recognition, and this is the tech community equivalent of a David Attenborough production (with my profuse apologies to Sir Attenborough). Something about failing to learn history and repeating it should go here too.

If you can take away anything from observing this event unfold, learn from it. Consider how the sophisticated vs the unsophisticated act, how participants respond, and what success looks like. Also, slow is smooth, smooth is fast. Do not rush when the consequences of a misstep are substantial. You learning from this is cheaper than the cost for everyone involved. It is a natural experiment you get to observe for free.
It has to do with what the Census report is used for. Most people consider a small village 30 miles from the big town to be rural, but it has many services and supplies that an actual rural property won't.

Also remember when the Census was begun, the divide was much more stark between rural and urban as you couldn't travel quickly.
Imagine you are participating in car racing, and your car has a few tweak knobs. But you don't know what is what and can only make random perturbations and see what happens. Slowly you work out what is what, but you might still not be 100% sure.

That's how AI research and development works, I know, it is pretty weird. We don't really really understand, we know some basic stuff about how neurons and gradients work, and then we hand wave to "language model" "vision model" etc. It's all a black box, magic.

How we we make progress if we don't understand this beast? We prod and poke, and make little theories, and then test them on a few datasets. It's basically blind search.

Whenever someone finds anything useful, everyone copies it in like 2 weeks. So ML research is like a community thing, the main research happens in the community, not inside anyone's head. We stumble onto models like GPT4 then it takes us months to even have a vague understanding of what it is capable of.

Besides that there are issues with academic publishing, the volume, the quality, peer review, attribution, replicability... they all got out of hand. And we have another set of issues with benchmarks - what they mean, how much can we trust them, what metrics to use.

And yet somehow here we are with GPT-4V and others.
Especially after this weekend.

If I were one of their competitors, I would have called an emergency board meeting re:accelerating burn and proceeded in advance of board approval with sending senior researchers offers to hire them and their preferred 20 employees.
I sometimes wonder if the use of Firefox is under reported just because a lot of it's users are power users, installing extensions that spoof the user agent. I know I did for a long while, making my Firefox pretend it was Chrome on a Windows machine.
If you give poor people money and they still had problems, then what? More money? There lies the problem.

Children should not be poor, but how can you ensure accountability on the part of the parents?
It's a combination of that and the reality that wealth is power and power is relative.

Let's say you've got $100 million. You want to do whatever you want to do. It turns out what you want is to buy a certain beachfront property. Or perhaps curry the favor with a certain politician around a certain bill. Well, so do some folks with $200 million, and they can outbid you. So even though you have tons of money in absolute terms, when you are using your power in venues that happen to also be populated by other rich folks, you can still be relatively power-poor.

And all of those other rich folks know this is how the game works too, so they are all always scrambling to get to the top of the pile.
To expand on my previous point Argentina seems like one of America's most poorly governed states at the local level - New Jersey. High level of local corruption, etc. And NJ is full of Italians and so is Argentina. It'd be like admitting a giant-size NJ. I'll take it!
Yeah, it’s lame. Linters and static analyzers should probably warn in addition to updating as much living documentation as possible.

And, idk, suggest something like a method with a singleton mutex for getting/setting?
If you are concerned that MS gains to much power, be concerned.
Discount Rates in Venture Backed Startups
The "well-worn disaster" has the highest rate of English speakers, largest middle class, and largest industrial base of similar countries in Latin America.

This will simply regress Argentina to the mean of the poor, deinstruialized, primary resource exporting countries of the rest of Latam.
Why? That is a gigantic statement to make to provide no backing for.
I fall onto the side of the author. Google is an ad company that invests heavily into tech. Or a martech company, if you prefer.

Tech is certainly something Google puts a lot of investment into, but it isn't the company's primary focus or interest.
You are inflating cost of the car by at least 2x. GM had a plan to bring down the cost by manufacturing Origin, but recent events have put a stop to that.
>update: this post has been instantly demoted from #1 to #26 on HN front page :) Hmm.

Conspiracy theories and persecution complexes are always so much more fun than the banal realities.

There is no secret HN cabal trying to hide this post. The HN algorithm is designed to encourage good discussion and, critically, discourage conflict.

Posts that drive lots of upvote/downvote battles or other signals of conflict are always automatically pushed down in ranking, regardless of the topic.

This is not because the mods don't understand that sometime discussion leads to conflict, it's because the mods want HN to remain a place where people debate hard topics well.

Adding debates where commenters and voters behave poorly to the mix is viewed as poisoning the conversation well, and long-term conversation quality on a scale of months or years is more important to the mods than any particular topic, even the one that "you" (any particular "you") happen to feel is critically important.
>it's clear to me that the OpenAI board is solely responsible for the events that conspired.

Based on what?
US coins are not debt. Coins are minted and issued as fiat then sold at face value to 'federal reserve'. Modern US notes are debt, which is why the paper has the word 'note'. Compare that with earlier paper dollars which had the word 'certificate' as in Silver Certificate - they were backed by metals.
One can feign capability with scale and fool backers for x amount of time. Fake it til you make it or break it. Cruise isn't the first self driving company to fall to such a temptation.
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38351494
I feel he just wanted to scare the person standing at the edge of the cliff, but the board actually pushed the person.
Ecuador has not had significant economic growth in a decade and is currenlty a narco-state.
Everyone is confused.

It's impressively operatic. I don't think I've ever seen anything like it.
> Mind you, the risk of "AI" acting on its own is massively exaggerated. It's AI-wielding humans who are the real unalignable threat.

IMO depends where you draw the line between "AI acting on its own" and "person takes AI that shouldn't be left unsupervised, sets it going in an infinite loop, leaves it unsupervised, then it explodes" (so far mostly in small ways and in the face of the person who did it, which is basically fine, but still, where do you draw the line?)