skysight-inc/HackerNews huggingface dataset:
US companies don't need to be "in the hands of the government", we have rule of law.

And Helen Toner was already as much of a fed as you could want; she had exactly the resume a CIA agent would have. (Probably wasn't though.)
OpenAI success is unfortunately largely based on the one ruthless decision to ignore ethics and train the model on the work of millions of artists and authors. I don’t know if Sam himself was behind this decision. I doubt Aaron Schwartz would have done the same.
Pretty much e.g. all electric chargers do have a certification, yes
What's changed is a huge increase in cars and driving, and the size of the cars has made them more dangerous.
Oranges and bananas are out for me too, because of histamine intolerance, which correlates heavily with gut issues. Sharing to help others since I wish I had known sooner!
Comments moved to https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38375239.
I know that every time I would see my dad spend hours in the garden, basically doing a full workout cleaning it up and making it pretty, while I was inside programming, I feld really terrible.

I felt like a bum. This works. Set an example for your kids :)
Concerns about bias and racism in ChatGPT would feel more valid if ChatGPT were even one tenth as bias as anything else in life. Twitter, Facebook, the media, friends and family, etc. are all more bias and radicalized (though I mean "radicalized" in a mild sense) than ChatGPT. Talk to anyone on any side about the war in Gaza and you'll get a bunch of opinions that the opposite side will say are blatantly racist. ChatGPT will just say something inoffensive like it's a complex and sensitive issue and that it's not programmed to have political opinions.
those are 2 different camps. Alignment folks and ethics folks tend to disagree strongly about the main threat, with ethics e.g. Timnet Gebru insisting that crystalzing the current social order is the main threat, and alignment e.g. Paul Christiano insisting its machines run amok. So far the ethics folks are the only ones getting things implemented for the most part.
I don't think anybody had high expectations for him, but he really pulled through.
No, his predictions in 2021 were not accurate. He gave 33% chance of three different things happening, and then none of them happened!
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> They likely violated RICO

LOL

Nothing you have said is credible or honest.
A board still has a fiduciary duty to its shareholders. It’s materially irrelevant if those shareholders are of a public or private entity, or whether the company in question is a non-profit or for-profit. Laws mean something, and selective enforcement will only further the decay of the rule of law in the West.
I read the comments, most of them are superficial as if someone with no inside knowledge will post. His understanding of humans is also weak. Book deals and speeches as a motivator is hilarious.
His literal job is to manipulate the stock price up; nothing here comes close to illigal manipulation?
Sam Altman: Ousted OpenAI boss to return days after being sacked
If somebody wanted to do a biological attack, there is probably not much stopping them even now.
And reddit links with old reddit.
Now just integrate this with GPT-4
Pretty sure Apple never aimed to be an Apple.
when dalle2 was announced in 2021 the text to image models were pretty bad, and now we have models like midjourney that are almost indistinguishable from real images. If I've to bet I would expect the same progress from text to video models
They invented a whole theory of how if we had something called "AGI" it would kill everyone, and now they think LLMs can kill everyone because they're calling it "AGI", even though it doesn't work anything like their theory assumed.

This isn't about political correctness. It's far less reasonable than that.
> The world is not zero-sum.

No, but some parts of it very much are. The whole point of AI safety is keeping it away from those parts of the world.

How are Sam and Satya going to do that? It's not in Microsoft's DNA to do that.
The damage remains to be seen

They still have gpt4 and rumored gpt4.5 to offer, so people have no choice but to use them. The internet has such short an attention span, this news will get forgotten in 2 months
It is utterly mad that there's conflation between "let's make sure AI doesn't kill us all" and "let's make sure AI doesn't say anything that embarrasses corporate".

The head of every major AI research group except Metas believes that whenever we finally make AGI it's vital that it shares our goals and values at a deep even-out-of-training-domain level and that failing at this could lead to human extinction.

And yet "AI safety" is often bandied about to be "ensure GPT can't tell you anything about IQ distributions".
It's the same thing, really. Even if you want to shut down the company you need a CEO to shut it down! Like John Ray who is shutting down FTX.

There isn't just a big red button that says "destroy company" in the basement. There will be partnerships to handle, severance, facilities, legal issues, maybe lawsuits, at the very least a lot of people to communicate with. Companies don't just shut themselves down, at least not multi billion dollar companies.
… Eh? I think Apple’s last white computer was the short-lived plastic MacBook, which was replaced 15 years ago.
Exactly they aren’t. But they have some parallels in properties (fungible, less prone to inflation etc)

But gold or any other precious metals for that matter still has a flaw of having unlimited supply. Yes the supply is limited on earth but we are only couple of decades far from mining asteroids like 16 Psyche.

Flood the market with gold, it will drastically lose its value and this will indeed help its consumption like manufacturing of electronics etc but gold as an asset would be pointless.

This cannot happen in BTC, which is programmed to have finite supply.
Wait... unless I'm missing a lot here, the concrete parts of cybernetics became known as control theory (and the more wishy-washy parts are known as "systems thinking"), and in both cases, the primary idea behind it all is exactly to turn dynamic problems into "simply a matter of computing".

That's literally what the whole thing is about - you model a problem as a bunch of cybernetics/control theory equations (with or without helper diagrams of boxes and arrows), do some computing on it, and implement the result in the physical world. In many cases, the computational model is partially included in the result itself - the physical control system includes a computer (whether it's an analog or digital one) that keeps the physical system stable by means of computation, i.e. "simply a matter of computing".

(In general, I feel many people didn't get the memo: "computing" isn't something "techbros" do; computing is a fundamental part of how we understand the world works - up there with energy conservation, thermodynamics, etc.)
Is nitter.net still functional for you? The service was accessible earlier this year from my location but now it is all 403 Forbidden.
> I know it's easy to ridicule the sheer stupidity the board acted with (and justifiably so), but take a moment to think of the other side. If you truly believed that Superhuman AI was near, and it could act with malice, won't you try to slow things down a bit?

The real ”sheer stupidity” is this very belief.
> They likely violated RICO by essentially nuking the company's valuation and trying to sell to Anthropic.

Really. What is/are the predicate offense(s) for this alleged RICO violation?
No, in general AI safety/AI alignment ("we should prevent AI from nuking us") people are different from AI ethics ("we should prevent AI from being racist/sexist/etc.") people. There can of course be some overlap, but in most cases they oppose each other. For example Bender or Gebru are strong advocates of the AI ethics camp and they don't believe in any threat of AI doom at al.

If you Google for AI safety vs. AI ethics, or AI alignment vs. AI ethics, you can see both camps.
Please name the vendors that do this so I can avoid them.
Each Tesla charging station has anywhere between 10 and 30 ports, so you can charge around 200 cars at the same time, let's say each takes 30 minutes(rather on the high side, 15-20 is more likely) and we have 10 active drive hours.

That makes around 4k can be charged on route, more realistic it's above 10k already.. and that's only Tesla.

Growing pains happen, but I drove my M3 across EU multiple times.. and needed to wait for a charger once, for 3 minutes.
Say what you want about Summers specifically but I think it's a good idea getting some economists on the board. They are academics but focused on practical, important issues like loss of jobs and what that means for the economy and society. Up until now it seems like the board members have either been AI doomers with no practical experience or Silicon Valley types that inevitably have conflicts of interest, because everybody is starting their own AI venture now.
We had tons of stuff. First off, bikes. We biked, biked, biked everywhere all the time.

Model rockets. Water balloons. Oh yeah, if someone replaced their kitchen cabinets, there'd be cabinet doors in the alley to use as... a bike jump.

Soccer or kickball in the alley. Walkie-talkies. Cops & robbers. A swingset to jump off of.

Computers. We all had computers; my clique had Ataris. Also records. Movie theaters. Blockbuster.

The public pool. The beach.

Slot cars. I had a slot-car set, up in our attic.

And none of that stuff was expensive, except the computers.

Growing up in the '80s was great. And today, we have mastery of technology but weren't shackled to it as kids. Growing up today seems like a stressful, distracted, and rather empty affair.
Your argument is to not read the ideas of someone because he did something bad? What’s the reason? Are you that gullible that you can’t evaluate them with your own mind and conscience and will start shooting everyone the moment you finish his manifesto?
They wanted a new CEO and didn't expect Sam to take 95% of the company with him when he left.

Sam also played his hand extremely well; he's likely learned from watching hundreds of founder blowups over the years. He never really seemed angry publicly as he gained support from all the staff including Ilya & Mira. I had little doubt Emmett Shear would also welcome Sam's return since they were both in the first YC batch together.
Are the Microsoft job offers at the same compensation still on the table?
But every functioning government regulates electrical networks and devices in some way. People think it’s mostly reasonable since they don’t like being electrocuted or having things explode and catch on fire?
What's interesting to me is that during this time Meta and OpenAI have eliminated their AI ethics members/teams but are still preaching about how it matters. No one has given any details beyond grand statements about it's importance on what these ethical AIs do. Everyone has secured their payday though.
No, I mean that there is a proven way for the risk to materialise, not just some tall tale. Tall tales might(!) justify some caution, but they are a very different class of issue. Biological risks are perhaps in the latter category.

Also, as we don't know the probabilities, I don't think they are a useful metric. Made up numbers don't help there.

Edit: I would encourage people to study some classic cold war thinking, because that relied little on probabilities, but rather on trying to avoid situations where stability is lost, leading to nuclear war (a known existential risk).
This polarizing “certain class of people” and them vs. us narrative isn’t helpful.
Consider that your argument could also be used to advocate for safety of starting to use coal-fired steam engines (in 19th century UK): there's no immediate direct problem, but competitive pressures force everyone to use them and any externalities stemming from that are basically unavoidable.
Ah, thank you for putting words to describe why my gut feeling of morbid curiousity applies to HN like it does for air crash investigations.
https://archive.ph/AmNrn
> But what it's being interpreted as is more like "be excessively prudish and politically correct at all times" -- which I doubt was ever really anyone's main concern with AGI.

Fast forward 5-10 years, someone will say: "LLM were the worst thing we developed because they made us more stupid and permitted politicians to control even more the public opinion in a subtle way.

Just like tech/HN bubble started saying a few years ago about social networks (which were praised as revolutionary 15 years ago).
What worries me with AI is *garbage-in, garbage-out*.
As seen with current year chatbot responses skewered by programmer's politics.

If only Aaron would have succeeded liberating all medical knowledge already in the public domain; Then we could ensure AI's honesty.
It wasn't necessarily groupthink - there was profound pressure from team Sam to sign that petition. What's going to happen to your career when you were one of the 200 who held out initially?
Not quite billions of light-years, but here's another example:

>Modern astronomers now consider its distance from Earth to be about 7,200 light-years or 2,200 parsecs.

>SN 1006 lies well beyond 1 kiloparsec, and it did not appear to have significant effects on Earth. However, a signal of its outburst can be found in nitrate deposits in Antarctic ice.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SN_1006 (discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37783654)
This was fantastic, and very inspiring.

It's beautiful how the very computer sciency algorithm explanations (graphs, searches, seeds, etc) go hand in hand with the very concrete visualizations to make it very clear. There's a powerful feeling of "hey I could do that", which is great for an article like this.

It almost makes me remember how much fun game development can be. :) Thanks!
The USB trident logo doesn't need certification. The other, usually coloured, logos do need certification.

https://ftdichip.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/TN_114_USB-D...

https://www.usb.org/sites/default/files/usb-if_original_logo...
Apple has no by-laws committing itself to being an apple.

This line of argument is facile and destructive to conversation anyway.

It boils down to, "Pointing out corporate hypocrisy isn't valuable because corporations are liars," and (worse) it implies the other person is naive.

In reality, we can and should be outraged when corporations betray their own statements and supposed values.
> EA is basically Christian charity for people who live in a city that views Christianity as a dirty thing.

I don't see it. They're pretty much opposite approaches.

Christianity is deontological and focused on God. Christianity says that's what is important is following the rules, and the rules exist to make God happy, and that outcomes are irrelevant.

EA is an utilitarian frame work, and focused on the real world. Utilitarianism says what is important is obtaining utility, and that outcomes are the ultimate measure of goodness.

The main difference is that from an utilitarian standpoint, Christian charity only ever works by accident. From its point of view what's important is that you do it. The how and why, and what happens as a result is unimportant. So giving huge amounts of money to a megachurch for the pastor's Ferrari while the poor starve is perfectly fine, because you're not doing it for the poor people, you're doing it for God, and you did what was asked of you.
The exact reason was (is?) obscured by the board saying nothing publicly beyond "lack of candour", we've all been trying to guess in the meantime.
There’s definitely a problem with my grandma or some less-technically educated person buying “alphabet soup” fakes, BUT Amazon does commingle inventory. This means that lots of people can end up with fakes sold by 3rd parties when buying from a reputable brand.

There were even stories of those crazy coupon people reselling on Amazon, and some cases of returned retail products ending up as “new” on Amazon. Which gets problematic with certain things like consumables (the WSJ did an article on toothpastes iirc).
Sam Altman makes triumphant return to OpenAI after days of chaos
I strongly feel that this is where the really destructive potential of military LLM applications lies. We've already seen examples of faked images, voice clips and videos being disseminated of prominent political figures. It's not difficult to imagine a well planned disinfo attack could paralyse or misdirect the political apparatus and public sentiment of a state during some critical moment in time (IE, during a coup attempt or invasion).

Everyone might be able to work out which snippets of media were true and which were not in a few days, but if it happens during a crisis point the loss of time and momentum could be catastrophic.
Satya's pay is about 100 million dollars. Ide say he has earned every penny for protecting MSFTs 10B investment in OpenAI. A 1% insurance policy is great value.
I use Linux daily at home, and I think it may be important to note my experiences and my setup:

Intel CPU, RTX 2070, 1440p@160Hz screen (with HDR, which doesnt work). ArchLinux.

What works:

- every game I want to play, from multiplayer shooters, over single player games, super old games, racing games, simulator games, etc. works. Some required going to protondb and reading there, applying the fixes.

- programming/work obviously is possible when it wasnt on windows (much better dev experience)

- I have a live boot arch iso USB because every few months, an update bricks my install. No idea why, but it does. I do read the update mails. The fix is usually to boot into the USB, mount my drives, chroot, mkinitcpio, and reboot. I suspect it's an issue with some driver or firmware.

- I use Xorg KDE Plasma, works very well. No visual issues. You dont have to switch to wayland ;)
Same without coffee.

Also I think it's partly about age. At teens or 20s my anecdata is you need more sleep. Or maybe you tend to stay up longer for various activities trading for your sleep duration.
> there's clearly little critical thinking amongst OpenAI's employees either.

That they reached a different conclusion than the outcome you wished for does not indicate a lack of critical thinking skills. They have a different set of information than you do, and reached a different conclusion.
The expertise to produce the substance itself is quite rare so it's hard to carry it out unnoticed. AI could make it much easier to develop it in one's basement.
After learning earlier about Sam Altman's long-con at Reddit, I'm surprised I haven't seen anyone suggest that Emmett Shear accepted the job in order to help get Sam back into the company.

They were both members of the inaugural class of Y-Combinator, and all of Shear's published actions since accepting the role (like demanding evidence of Sam' wrongdoing) seem to have helped Sam return to his role.

I don't think it's a stretch to say that he did win, in that he might have accomplished exactly what he wanted when he accepted the role.
Are we extinct? No. Could a large impact kill us all? Yes.

Expected value and probability have no place in these discussions. Some risks we know can materialize, for others we have perhaps a story on what could happen. We need to clearly distinguish between where there is a proven mechanism for doom vs where there is not.
Go work somewhere else? The reason being you din't like that amount of drama?
> If you truly believed that Superhuman AI was near, and it could act with malice, won't you try to slow things down a bit?

In the 1990s and the 00s, it was no too uncommon for anti-GMO environmental activist / ecoterrorist groups to firebomb research facilities and to enter farms and fields to destroy planted GMO plants. Earth Liberation Front was only one of such activist groups [1].

We have yet to see even one bombing of an AI research lab. If people really are afraid of AIs, at least they do so more in the abstract and are not employing the tactics of more traditional activist movements.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth_Liberation_Front#Notable...
Are you suggesting that because other genocides have happened, the Serbian ethnic cleansing of Bosnian Muslims and Bosnian Croats is just business as usual?

Perhaps NATO should have just left them to it. Sure, tens of thousands of civilians were killed, but I suppose that pales in comparison to the millions killed in WW2.
So Sam wants to make AGI without working to be sure it doesn't have goals higher than the preservation of human value?!

I can't believe that
SUV adverts are just so deliberately weird. Somehow they get away with showing the streets being always empty as if it's permanently the World Cup Final on a Bank Holiday.

The truth is you'll probably be driving in traffic or crawling in a traffic jam… of which you are the cause. They'll never, ever show someone struggling to park one in a standard space at an urban supermarket.
They sure sued a lot of apple places over having an apple as logo.
This is not an accurate description of causation and can't be, because there are more steps after "genetics" in the causal chain.

It's also unimaginative; having a variety of traits is itself good for society, which means you don't need variation in genetics to cause it. It's adaptive behavior for the same genes to simply lead to random outcomes. But people who say "genes cause X" probably wouldn't like this because they want to also say "and some people have the best genes".
Women are free to start their own AI company.
I don't know, but they seem to often marinade chickens, then steam well, then hang dry, and/or keep hot.

Temperature-growth chart for food pathogens is said to show a bell curve peaking at ~35C/95F. Keeping well-flavored food hot(>122F) works to similar effects as refrigerating, just not energy efficient nor good for maintaining flavors.
Babies develop a preference for their primary caregiver, who is usually the mother.

Young children generally are more cautious around men than women, which is probably good risk management. Instinctive? Possibly.
P.S. What I said is not "paradoxical". An LLM does not take on the attributes of its training data, any more than a computer screen displaying the pages of books becomes an author. Regardless of what is in the training data, the LLM continues to be the same statistical engine. The notion that an LLM can take on human characteristics is a category mistake, like thinking that there are people inside your TV set. The TV set is not, for instance, a criminal, even if it is tuned to crime shows 24/7. And an LLM does not have a tendency to protect its ego, even if everyone who contributed to the training data does ... the LLM doesn't have an ego. Those are characteristics of its output, not of the LLM itself, and there's a huge difference between the two. Too many people seem to think that, if for instance, they insult the LLM, it feels offended, just because it says it does. But that's entirely an illusion.
I think this outcome was actually much more favorable to D'Angelo's faction than people realize. The truth is before this Sam was basically running circles around the board and doing whatever he wanted on the profit side- that's what was pissing them off so much in the first place. He was even trying to depose board members who were openly critical of open AI's practices.

From here on out there is going to be far more media scrutiny on who gets picked as a board member, where they stand on the company's policies, and just how independent they really are. Sam, Greg and even Ilya are off the board altogether. Whoever they can all agree on to fill the remaining seats, Sam is going to have to be a lot more subservient to them to keep the peace.
did the "Open" in OpenAI not originally refer to open in the academic or open source manner? i only learned about OpenAI in the GPT-2 days, when they released it openly and it was still small enough that i ran it on my laptop: i just assumed they had always acted according to their literal name up through that point.
Isn't that one of the causes of group think?