skysight-inc/HackerNews huggingface dataset:
This is a very recent development, and only happened because China started importing talent from places that know how to make good safe cars.
It appears the reporting was accurate: Ilya staged a coup.

Notably, Sam/Greg do not guess or insinuate why he did a coup.
Statement from Greg of OpenAI
Update: now confirmed by the parties involved
Bipolar disease?
Web search results are (or at least are supposed to be) attributed by their very nature, and definitely not presented as original creative work.
Related ongoing thread:

Ilya Sutskever "at the center" of Altman firing? - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38314299 - Nov 2023 (252 comments)

(I mean there are a lot of related ongoing threads but it's all relative)
Quitting a potentially generation-defining tech company in all lower case has to be the ultimate humble brag.
Even if a referral comes from a LinkedIn random request, I would value that as a signal that, at a minimum, the prospect is putting in extra effort beyond most "click to apply" resumes. If you get 200 resumes for a role and lets say 20 come with a referral, why wouldn't you factor that at all?
I saw those tweets as well. Those are rumours at this point.

The only thing that is real is the PR from OpenAI and the "candid" line is quite ominous.

sama brought the company to where it is today, you don't kick out someone that way just because of misaligned interests.

I'm on the side that thinks that sama screwed up badly, putting OpenAI in a (big?) pickle and breaking ties with him asap is how they're trying to cover their ass.
People zooming in too far. If you look at the 1d chart, yeah, something happened at 3:30. If you look at the 1m chart, today is irrelevant.
Because in realpolitik the ability to make cars is the ability to make artillery and protect your nationstate from the anarchy of nations.
> in a non-profit I am not even sure of who really has control over things

The board is in absolute control in a not-for-profit. The loophole is that some have bylaws that make ad-hoc board meetings and management change votes very difficult to call for non-operating board members, and it can take months to get a motion to fire the CEO up for a vote.

In some not-for-profits, the board often even manages to recruit and seat new board members. Some not-for-profits operate as membership associations, where the organization’s membership elects the board members to terms.

On the few not-for-profits where I was a board member, we started every meeting with a motion to retain the Executive Director (CEO). If the vote failed, so did the Executive Director.
If my experience with an unemployment system is a guide, the COBOL is fine. The scaffolding around it, different story.
Hammerspace Unveils Reference Architecture for LLM Training
Yes, but the article is still about volunteer computing networks like SETI.

>Even a single machine can be distributed computing the computation is distributed between multiple processes.

No.
Yeah I obviously don't have enough context here to take a side, but if I was forced to do so I'd pick Ilya over Altman. Curious what other people are seeing that's making them think Altman is a martyr and the board members are dumb.
You obviously haven't paid attention to the sorts of threats women who make decisions that piss off "bros" are subjected to. She isn't hiding under a rock through these actions (though may be doing things in the real world to hide). These actions just proactively limit being DMed threats.

Even without threats, no one wants to deal with the thousands of spur-of-the-moment DMs and emails that such a notable action would prompt. It's a good idea to go offline until things cool down. Any necessary statements can be made through channels, and so can the answers to questions.
The tests have evolved a huge amount since the 60s. And even if a car just barely met the minimum legal requirement to be DOT legal, if it performs poorly on the IIHS tests then people are going to run the other way. And once your brand has -that- reputation, good luck coming back from it anytime soon.
No-one knows, which makes this a classical scientific problem. Which is what Ilya wants to focus on, which I think is fair, give this alligns with the original mission of OpenAi.

I think it’s also fair Sam starts something new with a for profit focus of the get-go.
Why isn’t a brain “math” if you mean a system with which to process input streams to generate adaptive/useful output?
https://twitter.com/gdb/status/1725736242137182594

Update from Greg
They cant control their own counterfeit supply chain, so we will never know until they do.
As a capitalist at the centre of the AI Revolution, I reckon he’ll be OK!
Very interesting. Is something still a discovery if there is no proof?
I find this absolutely baffling to have occurred.

Even more so now than ever, I don't think this corporate structure will survive.
If your experience renting cars is after flying into an airport, then you may be pleasantly surprised when renting "at home".

I recently had cause to rent a people-mover, and did so from two separate, off-airport local companies (not chains).

The 3 rentals all went off either a hitch, service was smooth, no wait, returns was trivial, cost was very reasonable.

It definitely showed me that if i need a specific vehicle for an edge case this is a very viable approach.
Commercialization is innovation. Without it they will end up with a cute toy and a bankrupt company.
This sort of property ("loosely tell it what it needs to do, step-by-step, and it does it.") is definitely very exciting and remarkable, but I don't think it necessarily constitutes AGI. I would say instead it's more an emergent property of language models trained on extremely large corpora that contain many examples that, in embedding space, aren't that far from what you're asking it to do.

I don't think LLMs have really demonstrated anything interesting around generalized intelligence, which although a fairly abstract concept, can be thought of as being able to solve truly novel problems outside their training corpora. I suspect there still needs to be a fair amount of work improving both the model design itself, the training data, and even the mental model of ML researchers, before we have systems that can truly reason in a way that demonstrates their generalized intelligence.
Yeah, I posted this in one of these threads last time and got beaten down with sticks and swords. Oh well, I'm on a hot streak and have karma to burn, so I'll agree with you.

Parents, if you don't want your children to have internet access, then don't give it to them. If you have reached a point where that is no longer possible (eg. grade school) then it's time to figure things out. Your kids will be perambulating around recess and interacting with all the lovely publicly schooled children. You know, the nose-pickers that stole their brother's smut magazine and brag about it being in their backpack. It's horrifying! But also real-life.

I sympathize with my parents for trying to make the best environment for me growing up. I'm even happier (for my sake and theirs) that they didn't overreact when I was playing violent video games or walking in on them watching Shaun of the Dead. I'm not sure I'd be a personally confident individual without those early moments of humility between me and my parents.
Apparently due to Sam's ego and wanting to use OpenAI to achieve a Musk-like cult status: https://old.reddit.com/r/OpenAI/comments/17xoact/sam_altman_...
as it literally says both on the page and graph, both pedestrian and occupant numbers are down, surprisingly child pedestrian deaths fell at a quicker rate.

Seventy-eight percent of child motor vehicle crash deaths in 2021 were passenger vehicle occupants, 15 percent were pedestrians, and 2 percent were bicyclists. Child pedestrian and bicyclist deaths declined by 91 and 95 percent, respectively, since 1975. Passenger vehicle child occupant deaths in 2021 were 48 percent lower than in 1975.
The advantage that the original cobol people had is that they had functional manual processes to model.

Today, the payroll supervisor has no idea how many processes work.
or you can have a stunt man do it, then make a fake making of video where van damme pretends he did it
Source: trust me bro, I'm a random reddit user.
Unlikely to happen for contractual reasons.
Announcing something huge like this before market close is not something that can be interpreted as anything other than either a huge timing mistake or a massive feeling of urgency
Votes after N hours for a few small N might do it although if not normalized somehow it's probably not going to tell you much beyond 'bigger site gets more activity on big news than smaller site'. Maybe divide by average daily votes at the time?
Apparently Sam's idol growing up was Steve Jobs so this checks out.
I worked with her at Leap Motion, and found her to be incredibly intelligent, charismatic, energetic, compassionate, and candid. I think she will dazzle.
... If this was supposed to clear things up, it didn't. I'm even more confused now.
I couldn't have told you the name of anyone at OpenAI until this news, and I come in here every day.
A joint statement just came out:https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38315309
There is no secret hidden "scary" AGI hidden in their basement. Also, speculating at the "damage" true AGI can cause is not that difficult and does not require a phd in ML.
Awesome that you can read minds!

> Let this be a lesson, don’t have a wacky ownership structure and wacky board when you have the (perhaps) the most valuable product in the world.
How OpenAI CEO Sam Altman Was Fired by Rival Board Members
I think we just experienced an all-time moment in corporate politics. It's kind of like Steve Jobs being fired, but if it happened immediately after the Apple II. It feels like OpenAI has already cemented its place in history, whether or not it becomes a titan for the long run.
Maybe after Sam Altman and Greg Brockman leave, people will realize how important they are to OpenAI.
Ilya is an idealist. I respect it
CEOs are typically paid in equity. Technically, they’re stealing from existing shareholders.
Not inviting the full board would likely be against the rules. Every company I've been part of has it in the bylaws that all members have to be invited. They don't all have to attend, but they all get invited.
Prompt: "Retell the following text in a neutral, impassionate, polite tone, blunting any strong statements, and correcting any spelling mistakes along the way."
It's a model. And the model, like these ones, to be scientific, will make predictions which can theoretically be tested.
I read this whole thread and still have no idea what it is about. The only impression it makes is that some HNers are way too dramatic about AI/AGI.
This coup is badly executed though. OpenAI’s reputation is hurt irreparably

Maybe it is a good thing now other companies can finally have a window to catch up
I think there's already a solution: flat-flex QI charging pads, like this one: https://www.mobilefun.co.uk/iphone-lightning-qi-universal-wi...

I don't endorse that particular listing, it was just the first one in my search results. It has a QI wireless power receiver, and a right-angled lightning connector. The intended usage is to plug it into an iPhone and put a case on top - but I think it'd work just fine on the bottom of a magic mouse. You could put the power transmitter under the mouse mat and never worry about charging ever again!

I haven't tried this so maybe there are practical reasons why it's a bad idea. Has anyone tried it?
> typically if the CEO and Chair of the board depart under these circumstances there was something illegal

When they are fired by the board, it sends a very different signal.
They found the shift key!!
Because AGI is such a dream at this point.
Well to be considered a genius in the ranks of Steve Jobs, you need to succeed more than once. If he can't do it a second time, then he'd be known as the guy who fails upward.
TL;DR – I believe Sam Altman's departure was orchestrated by none other than Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella.

Full details: https://x.com/KordanOu/status/1725736058233749559?s=20
> CTO should be technical people

What about CEOs?

> She should understand every layer of the cake, and by the interview I can take that's not the case

I just read it, and I can't imagine how you can make such an inference from a brief, non-technical interview in a popular magazine.
It 's aggressive passive
This is exactly my thinking.
250k with government perks and retirement is pretty nice. Also for 250k cash you will find lots of people willing to learn cobal.
May need to read it a few more times. Apart from the comment being written by someone who likes to identify themselves as “GreedClarifies”, it doesn’t take more than 4th grade reading comprehension to put two and two together.

- immediately calls their structure “strange” thanks to Ilya’s “idealism”.

- immediately calls him the “man” for his talents but a fool for what other than his ideals

- also labels Helen and Tasha (in quotes for some reason) as fools

- labels the board as “comically poor” for no other reason than they disagree with Sam’s supposed profit motive

Do we really need to draw a diagram here? It seems like you yourself may be out of your depth when it comes to reading comprehension.
That's exactly why DoD kept bringing Grace Hopper out of retirement first in 1967. They eventually gave her a star in the 80s, and along the way she was as responsible as anyone for the standardization efforts for COBOL and Fortran including the design of standardized compiler validation suites. Testing and interoperability before testing or interoperability were a thing! One of the later major projects she worked on was modernizing the Navy payroll system. Even junior sailors at the time knew that she and her team had made sure they got their paychecks. She retired from the Navy at age 79 in 1986. Nobody messed with Grace Hopper.
Possibility of @karpathy leaving and joining them to form a viable competitor?
living in skyscrapers is no different than living in any apartment building, except the larger number of apartments with nice views.

what modern skyscapers are doing wrong is putting in only large-footprint high-end retail (like department stores) on the street level, or nothing at all. A zoning change to require small retail stalls at the street level would go a long way to making cities more livable. And all those people living upstairs generate a lot of foot traffic to help all sorts of businesses thrive. (what I'm talking about overall is what makes midtown NY so unpleasant compared to other NYC neighborhoods)
This is the truth!

When you have a motivated child, they have way more free time and energy to circumvent any restrictions in place. I’ve had to restrict outbound DNS, block traffic to devices at hours when kids should be asleep, and move to an allow list for web content that must get approved for time. And then we lock up devices at night.

And if I didn’t have those things in place? My son would literally stay up all night playing games, figuring out ways to bypass content filters, and who knows what else.

If you’re a parent and think, “not my kid!”, that might be true, but it probably isn’t for their friends.

And Apple’s “One more minute” feature that requires understanding undocumented, incoherent Screen Time config, screw that. If I set limits, I don’t expect my kids to be able to on-more-minute their game playing for multiple hours in a row.
This is too incomplete to reach any conclusions. The board made claims about a specific class of activity. They may or may not have been more specific in their conversations with Sam and Greg. Either way the credibility accusation needs more than just a timeline to refute it.

Maybe it was a coup as per some reporting; maybe it wasn’t. I’m reluctant to make a decision here based on who got to the reporters first. There is some asymmetry in media savvy between Sam and the board.
"more to say about what's next" in Sam's tweet earlier, and now,

"greater things are coming"

huh, do they already have a plan or is this just generic optimism?
Eventually, sure. Right now, today, they have a blank check for compute and all the money they could ask for. It's not the time to try to monetize if AGI is the mission. Complete distraction
I agree with a lot of what you said but the product is definitely not useless. ChatGPT alone has saved me a lot of time. If it does get a lot better, then it will be even more useful.
I know, and nobody was calling Bezos messiah in 2001, or 2008 for that matter. That’s my point.
Augmented with memory and perhaps a bit more—-recursive control of their own attentional mechanisms.
She seems pretty confident that these hangers are a good idea. She could make up the costs of development over a longer period of time and still come out way ahead by the end. At $20 a hanger she risks turning a lot of people away. The kind of people who are really pressed for closet/clothes hanging space don't typically have $500+ to spend on hangers.

A lower price to get consumers to try them out and even replace a bunch of their existing hangers with folding ones could get her a lot more sales and let volume make up for smaller profits.
Books1, books2, books3. That’s why I bet.
I'm pretty sure Tesla is already there, they are milking the profits right now though.

150 wh/kg sodium ion and 200+wh/kg LFP is going to be the workhorse of this price improvement. Sodium Ion should only be 30-40$/kwhr, and 2025-ish is when CATL expects to hit 200wh/kg sodium ion and 250 wh/kg LFP.

So its a double assault: higher density with cheaper materials. Waiting in the wings are solid state and sulfur techs among others.

IMO what is needed is a gradual phase-out EV price credit (not a tax credit) that starts at $10,000 and drops $1000 per year. Meanwhile, ICE cars should get taxed at registration $500 extra and that increases $500 per year.
Because every nation that claims to love free trade is incredibly protective of its high-value-add heavy industry.
Parental controls are just a feature for advertising purposes
> , you bet on the consensus science because it's probably right. And it was.

Which consensus exactly?
The metaverse and Web3 are two of the most talked-about technologies today, with many believing they will shape the future of the internet. But what exactly are they, and how can people access and get involved with them? This article aims to provide a neutral, well-researched overview.

What is the Metaverse?
The metaverse refers to a network of virtual worlds focused on social connection. It is an evolution of the internet that incorporates aspects of virtual and augmented reality, enabling users to interact virtually in a more immersive and lifelike way.
The Turing Test was one suggestion that many philosophers and computer scientists were/are critical of - and have been critical of for decades.
I seriously doubt it. If they are so much more into the AI safety than Sam Altman is, how could they possibly entrust you with the code? :-)
That just proves we real-time fine tuning of the neuron weights. It is computationally intensive but not fundamentally different. A million token context would look close to long short-term memory and frequent fine-tuning will be akin to long-term memory.

I most probably am anthropomorphizing completely wrong. But point is humans may not be any more creative than an LLM, just that we have better computation and inputs. Maybe creativity is akin to LLMs hallucinations.
Without Sam running the company, OpenAI can’t get what it is today.

And this time around he would have the sympathies from the crowd.

Regardless this is very detrimental to OpenAI brand, Ilya might be the genius behind ChatGPT, he couldn’t do it just himself.

The war between OpenAI and Sam AI is just the beginning
To be fair, that's not a very formal resignation. He just... quit.
The Government is a front for the Illuminati.

The Illuminati are a front for the Jews™ (not to be confused with Jewish people).

The Jews™ are a front for the Catholic Church.

The Catholic church is a front for the Lizard People.

The Lizard People are a front for the Government.

Nobody is in control. The conspiracy is circular. There is no conspiracy. Everything in this post is false. Only an idiot cannot place his absolute certainty in paradoxes.
Caesar stabbed right in the back and the coup had been made clear by their closest founders.

Jealously and greed strikes once again, someone was more greedier than the rest.

Also why are all the links and sources from Twitter / X? We were told repeatedly it was dead? It seems that this drama suggests that it isn't.
No, not really. Calling something "science-fiction" at the present moment is generally an insult intended to say something along the lines of "You're an idiot for believing this made up children's story could be real, it's like believing in fairies", which is of course a really dumb thing to say because science fiction has a very long history of predicting technological advances (the internet, tanks, video calls, not just phones but flip phones, submarines, television, the lunar landing, credit cards, aircraft, robotics, drones, tablets, bionic limbs, antidepressants) so the idea that because something is in science fiction it is therefore a stupid idea to think it is a real possibility for separate reasons is really, really dumb. It would also be dumb to think something is possible only because it exists in science fiction, like how many people think about faster than light travel, but science fiction is not why people believe AGI is possible.

Basically, there's a huge difference between "I don't think this is a feasible explanation for X event that just happened for specific technical reasons" (good) and "I don't think this is a possible explanation of X event that just happened because it has happened in science fiction stories, so it cannot be true" (dumb).

About nanotechnology specifically, if Drexler from Drexler-Smalley is right then an AGI would probably be able to invent it by definition. If Drexler is right that means it's in principle possible and just a matter of engineering, and an AGI (or a narrow superhuman AI at this task) by definition can do that engineering, with enough time and copies of itself.
we don't know anything right now
It's harder to tell now, but from a timeline of events, that supposed OpenAI insider on Reddit had key details of the 'palace coup' that reputable journalists like Kara Swisher (and now a primary source of Greg Brockman) have largely confirmed.

I think the Reddit user is legitimate.
That's not even the important stuff. CATL has 150 wh/kg sodium ion (aka a 300 mile car or better) that is 1/3 or less what cobalt chemistries cost, and LFP at 200+wh/kg (aka a 400 mile car) at about 1/2 what cobalt chemistries cost.

But the ultra dense stuff will also help as well, especially with heterogenous cell architectures and the like.
The EU is not the only place that implement this regulation. There are about 129 more countries around the world with similar laws, but MSFT apparently does not want to obey them in the first place.
I mean Ilya said it himself in a roundabout way https://twitter.com/ilyasut/status/1707752576077176907
Alec Radford always left out in these convos, curious
Did you see Greg Brockmann also quit? Who do you think has contributed more to OpenAI code base??
stupid question: how to build a trading system? anyone got a starter guide, resources?
The most shocking about this is that they use Google Meet.
Gmail for Android is adding a prominent email unsubscribe button
They are saving their souls.
Btw, using an apostrophe to mark possessives in English is a fairly newfangled affection. So, it started off as 'wrong' not too long ago.
Clearly they will have a new AI startup by Monday.
After apple moved iphone power button from the top to the side of the device - most times i try to turn off my phone one-handed - i take a screenshot instead.

My camera roll is full of screenshots of my lock screen and occasional random website.

I was going to say - do they use their own devices? But if they don’t - what do they use? I mean it’s an iphone…