skysight-inc/HackerNews huggingface dataset:
I love RSS, but a big roadbump from the past is that it seems to be not so interactive (although that's not a fault from the protocol, if you ask me). On one hand you have websites with feeds, on the other you have separate feed readers. So every 'node' must use two different pieces of software to make it interactive. A big advantage of big tech social media is that users can produce and consume within the same software interface.

I try to put these two RSS functions (consuming and producing, or publish and subscribe if you will) in the same website software, and it sort of works. I'm still trying to figure out how to safely and easily reply to feed elements, but the only viable way I found is a link inside the element to a comments section on the feed's website. Other ways seem to invite spam (an email address in the feed for example), or require webmentions to work on both sides.

If any of you have ideas, feel free to brainstorm with me. If you happen to have a website, homepage or blog with a feed and you never posted it here on HN, please feel extra free to send me a message with the link (my website is in bio).
For sure unpredictable though!
To be fair, that is a stupid first move to make as the CEO who was just hired to replace the person deposed by the board. (Though I’m still confused about Ilya’s position.)
Ask HN: Best programmable robot for kids? Christmas gift
I’m thinking about buying a programmable robot kit for my brother’s kid this Christmas. There seem to be a couple of alternatives out there, but it shouldn’t be too complex (target age = approximately 8 years old).

Which kits do you, the readers of HN recommend?
Also discussed here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38348010
Lawsuit incoming? What is the expectation that these guys aren't attempting IP transfer.

My bet is that OpenAI heard of this MSFT poach, Sam et al were not forthright and meanwhile were becoming very interested in the engineering details.
On Friday, the overwhelming take on HN was that Ilya was “the good guy” and was concerned about principal. Now, it’s kinda obvious that all the claims made about Sam — like “he’s in it for fame and money” — might apply more to Ilya.
According to the latest developments, "nearly 500 employees of OpenAI have signed a letter saying they may quit and join Sam Altman unless the startup's board resigns and reappoints the ousted CEO". That seems like it's probably higher than your 20% estimate.
https://www.wired.com/story/openai-staff-walk-protest-sam-al...
>suggests an individual who is pushing an agenda

>rationally appraising the current state

both are an agenda. You can't escape ideology.
You're right, I have no idea what I'm talking about, clearly people aren't going to leave and follow Sam instead of Ilya. Nobody at all... just 550 of 700 employees, nothing to see here.

https://twitter.com/karaswisher/status/1726598360277356775
I agree that would be a poor implementation, but the library could be loaded at runtime using dlopen or equivalent.

This issue with that “interface” is the environment is process global. If the library is being loaded dynamically (specifically for some task) it would seem that the parameters are local to that task and should be taken by some reentrent init method. Alternatively, the process could be forked and environment set in the child without concern for thread safety or polluting the environment (think of the children!).
I just downloaded all of my data / chats. Who knows if it'll be up and running the next days.
Also discussed here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38348042
No, they are too fast.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUMgSIXwFr8
Tyler the Creator was right: https://twitter.com/tylerthecreator/status/28567082226430771...
He’s on the board!
Is there any correlation between wealthy districts and poor districts in terms of type of light used? I feel like everyone would want to accomodate the rich areas and make sure they can see the night sky and sleep and not have the unpleasent "poor" flurorescent/led "cost-savings" light
It really is amazing and Andreas Kling is awesome. Thanks for the link
Yeah, I also started out believing this must be a principle thing between Ilya and Sam. But no, this smells more and more like a corporate clusterfuck and Ilya was just an easy to manipulate puppet. This alleged statement from the board that destroying the company is an acceptable outcome is completely insane, but somewhat reasonable when combined with the fact that half the board has some serious conflict of interest going on.
I'm cancelling my Netflix subscription, I don't need it.
Ilya Sutskever: I deeply regret my participation in the board's actions
It sucks, but it doesn't have to be that way. Even small towns can be sufficiently served by viable public transit options.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztpcWUqVpIg
Imagine if the end result of all it is Microsoft basically owning the whole OpenAI
> who just got their equity vaporized

You've just pointed out the big issue with a non-profit. There is no equity to vaporize, so no one is kept in check with their fantastical whims. You and I can say 'safe AI' and mean completely different things, but profitable next quarter has a single meaning.
Yes, this, but add Copilot and other such frog boil extensions into the mix, as well as the slow encroachment into the built-in terminal; all tooling that is slowly both making certain things easier while making understanding what's going on harder.
Never assume someone is winning a game of 5D chess when someone else could just be losing a game of checkers.
At university, like everyone else? Sit there, study structures, materials, etc. Get a job, get a charter...
I think it depends if you see them first or they see you first.
The article said the Vegas Sphere plans to charge $650k a week to advertise on its exterior. Not to mention that just running other people’s ads on such a massive display is also effectively advertising the Sphere itself.

That’s lot of cash and marketing reach to give up. I assume they will expend a lot of money lobbying to get their way before they consider going without the external LEDs.
What an astonishing embarrassment.
Agreed - he contained the damage as best as could be done.
And the ironic part of the greed is that it seems there is far more (at least potential) earnings to be spread around and make everyone there wealthy enough to not have to think about it ever again.

Yet they start this kind of nonsense.

Not exactly focusing on building a great system or product.
When I was a kid, I just dreamt about being resourceful, smart and above average in achievements. If possible, good looking and having enough social skills to not shame myself in public - which both were far from the reality as it could be.

But the world sucks so much that I achieve all of it reasonable fast, especially considering that I'm from a poor third world country. Now, for the past 5-10 years, everything is an extra and I'm in a constantly state of happiness/achievement/thankfulness.

Now I'm wondering about bigger multi-decades projects that will make me proud at deathbed.
This. We don't need 4-5 post about this on the front page.
Agreed a thousandfold. Meanwhile nothing stops us from pursuing both concurrently.
D3GA – Drivable 3D Gaussian Avatars
If they join Sam Altman and Greg Brockman at Microsoft they will not need to start from scratch because Microsoft has full rights [1] to ChatGPT IP. They can just fork ChatGPT.

Also keep in mind that Microsoft hasn't actually given OpenAI $13 Billion because much of that is in the form of Azure credits.

So this could end up being the cheapest acquisition for Microsoft: They get a $90 Billion company for peanuts.

[1] https://stratechery.com/2023/openais-misalignment-and-micros...
I haven't seen brand suicide like this since EM dumped Twitter for X!!! (4 months ago)
So Ilya has a job offer from Microsoft?

Wow, this is a soap opera worthy of an Emmy.
whatever-driven development is always just about vibes anyway. It shouldn't be taken too literally. The example in this article may have been a good use-case for Clojure's multimethod facilities.

https://clojure.org/reference/multimethods
I think everyone assumed this was an aquihire without the "aqui-" but this is the first time I've seen it explicitly stated.
I'd hate to live in a world where learning from your mistakes is being "a weasel"
Come on, it's pretty delusional to think large scale transformer LMs alone could ever reach AGI.
Ilya is much less active on Twitter than the others. The rumors that blamed him emerged and spread like wildfire and he did nothing to stop it because he probably only checks Twitter once a week.
learn to maintain HVAC
What’s there to believe? He made a bad, poorly thought through decision.
Do you use Google? YouTube? Own an Android phone?
Me: "ChatGPT write me an ultimatum letter forcing the board to resign and reinstate the CEO, and have it signed by 500 of the employees."

ChatGPT: Done!
Those are purely social constructs. There are still only two, based on the chromosomes XX and XY.
except the actual technology to lock up can be downloaded.

oh shoot, so can gun models, they can be printed.
Yes, a US plant is a necessary pre-requisite to not have import tariffs on the finished vehicles.

I would not make the link that BYD == "super-cheap cars"

BYD Han, EU price €69,990. High price.

BYD Seal, EU price €44,900 and up. Not cheap, lower-middle of the pack.

BYD Dolphin, E Price €29,990 and up - that's at the cheap end. But not "super" cheap.

BYD Sea Lion, coming soon, around €24K / USD $26K maybe?

BYD and other might (and hopefully will) go below €20K / USD $25K into the "super-cheap" category. But that's hardly the whole of or current reality of the brand.

Your video link has the title calling the Han a "luxury Sedan" so I don't know why you would talk about "super-cheap", or invent concerns about model name longevity.

YEs, BYD seems likely to be _in_ the super-cheap category. So will others.
will they stay though? what happens to their OAI options?
Just to make you happy, I looked up Keypass.

It doesn't support the platforms I use, so it's a nonstarter.
Doesn't it look like the complete opposite is going to happen though?

Microsoft gobbles up all talent from OpenAI as they just gave everyone a position.

So we went from "Faux NGO" to, "For profit", to "100% Closed".
I'm not entirely sure the article gets it right either.

You're not paying to have your privacy respected. Your data will still be processed in the same way. You are paying to not have adverts.

I'm pretty sure that the Terms of Service are almost identical. You still will get binned into person of type x, y & z. the only difference is that advertisers won't see you.

Its not exactly adding +1 to privacy.

edit the reason this gets around GDPR is that whilst your data is still being processed, the product is not being shared with third parties.
For those out of the loop, Roc was spearheaded by Richard Feldman, who made major contributions to Elm.

Feldman is such a charming guy! I highly recommend checking out his podcast Software Unscripted and watching his many talks on YouTube.

The recent SU episode with Brian Carroll talking about WASM in Roc was a great listen.

Roc also has an active community on zulip, so consider stopping by :)

[1] https://twitter.com/sw_unscripted

[2] https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=richard+feldman

[3] https://www.roc-lang.org/community
I suppose I don't see the case where large numbers of OpenAI employees follow these two to Microsoft. Microsoft can't possibly cover the value of the OpenAI employees equity as it was (and imminently to be), let alone what could have potentially been. There is a big difference between being on a rocket ship and just a good team at a megacorp.
Who needs to buy out a 80bln dollars worth AI startup when talent is jumping ship in their direction already. OpenAI is dead.
rats, sinking ship, …
I'm more mad about the complete failure of regulators to break up an obvious monopoly than I am with the engineers (though they're not saints either)
well, as long as we're being nitpicky, you want "its surface" (the surface belonging to it), not "it's surface" (it is surface).
Exactly. I’m very surprised nadella would take this kind of risk. It seems extremely cavalier to not investigate what happened before quickly going all in on hiring the entire team. You risk having to do a very embarrassing about face if something serious comes out and could lead to himself having to resign
>They're personal, but it's just a fun city to live in

Sure that's understandable, but that's nothing objective in that, that's just a personal choice based on personal taste and circumstances, which can apply to any other city if you think about it.

There are so many other fun cities in Europe where you don't have to put up with all that nonsense.

That's nothing special to warrant overhyping Berlin even further, it already suffers from a branch of the Paris syndrome they could call it Berlin syndrome.
"export" in shells has to change the environ before they start the new process. It may not be "at runtime" for the new process, but it would be for the shell.
hostile takeunder?
> I wouldn't implement it during linkage, obviously single threaded putenv/setenv calls should still be permitted as part of initialisation routines. Count the number if children in /proc/self/task for all I care, the detection needs to happen during runtime.

That still breaks well-defined, non-broken programs which don't call getenv/setenv in racing ways. There is no way for you do a conditional-upon-threads mechanism without false positives.

> You're right that putenv/setenv are also horribly broken in other ways, and doing multi thread detection doesn't prevent those problems. In a perfect world we would just kill off these two functions all together, replacing them with either crashes or no-ops, but that'd be an even harder sell.

But you don't need to in order to meet your original goal - breaking programs which do call setenv/getenv in the wrong order. Proposing to remove them altogether doesn't fulfill the goal of finding the breakages immediately and introduces breakages in existing programs.

My alternative: use LD_PRELOAD and provide alternative setenv/getenv functions which raise SIGSEGV when setenv is called on a variable more than once, and when getenv is called on a variable that was already setted once. It requires nothing more than a counter for each of setenv/getenv per variable.

That finds programs which actually are broken, with no false positives, and ignores threads altogether because they don't matter under the counter system[1].

Best of all, you can implement this in an afternoon, without needing to modify glibc, and then test it with every single executable on your system to see which ones break.[2]

[1] Since the caller knows they are not thread-safe anyway, we aren't looking for the error where the caller calls setenv concurrently in different threads. That's a different problem.

[2] I would wager good money that few, if any systems, will break under this test.
so what happens if @eshear calls this probably-not-a-bluff, but lets everyone walk? The people that remain get new options and 500 other people still definitely want to work at OAI?
The message is what I'm talking about. I sure as hell wasn't sheltered either, I was as far from sheltered as it gets.
Make getenv copy to an OS-provided buffer. Free at program exit, like any other memory leak. There's an obvious drawback, but it's not changing the function signature.
Easily? It's a minor detail, extremely easy to miss the point in the briefing animation, and extremely easy to not remember the size of the equatorial trench hangars.

Both the equatorial one and the actual one being trenches, and the equatorial one being more prominent makes it even easier...

It's more something a BBC Sherlock-type would notice, than a regular viewer...
The pace to which OpenAI is speedrunning their demise is remarkable.

Literally just last week there were articles about OpenAI paying “10 million” dollar salaries to poach top talent.

Oops.
what a huge win for microsoft.
OpenAI employees threaten to follow Altman to Microsoft
One would think that he would be on Twitter this week.
So why can't we have a computer engineering degree as you say?
With probably even more coming later ;) No such thing as too much, right?

I wouldn't be angry if not for the fact that I know how inefficient most processes are gonna be. Government processes have no incentives to be fast, so simple things easily can take months.
Given that the board coup was orchestrated by AI safetyists, it likely has a pretty direct bearing on life as a researcher. What are you allowed to work on? What procedures and red tape are in place? Etc.
So who's against it and why ?

I wonder if it will take 20 years to learn the whole story.
Honestly, if shuttering the central bank and dollarizing the economy were his only plans I'd actually think it sounds reasonable. I'm pretty leftist but Argentina has pretty well proven they'd be better-off without managing their own currency.

The problem is that the man is absolutely batcrap in every way imaginable. He's climate-change-denying, hateful, constantly insults and threatens progressives with ludicrous insults like "libtards", considers sex-ed to be "brainwashing", etc. It's like if a country had elected Tucker Carlson for president.
Maybe if you're a teenager or in your early twenties, and dependent on where you live. But as a thirty-something year old my social life is doing just fine without Fuckerberg and his dumb apps.
And look who's being tortured? The board, who are the safety-ists looking for a slowdown.
I think you misspelled "predicated"

but I don't even know... predicted xOR predicAted
What options are left other than Adam D'Angelo orchestrated the downfall of a competitor to Poe?
I can give away some data to use a service. Companies generate money using this data. It is not useless.
(Rips off mask) Wow, it was the Quora CEO all along!

So this was never about safety or any such bullshit. It’s because GTPs store was in direct competition with Poe!?
The great Closing of “Open”AI.
Can you explain what you mean in your second to last paragraph?

The GNU project and the Wikimedia Foundation are still non profit today, and even if you disagree with their results their goal is to server humanity for free.
Will their OAI options be worth anything if the implosion continues?
This suggestion was already made on Saturday and again on Sunday. However, this approach does not enhance popcorn consumption... Show must go on ...
>> Sears killed the mail order catalog in 1993, just as the Internet was starting to take off. They could have been Amazon.

That's like saying Ford could have been Tesla, they just needed to make an electric car in 2012.
Why Is Apple's USB-C cable $130?
You very much have the ability to and are encouraged by the government to give up your right to a fair trial. It’s called a plea bargain and over 90% of cases never go to trial in the US.

You are also allowed to give up your freedom of speech - it’s called a non disclosure agreement.
HN desperately needs a mega thread, it's only Monday early hours, there is so much drama to come out of this.
Its definitely "happened" tho, no?
The amount that's leaked out already - over a weekend - makes me think we'll know the full details of everything within a few days.
From Microsoft's perspective, they have actually lowered uncertainty. Especially if that OpenAI employee letter from 500 people is to be believed, they'll all end up at Microsoft anyways. If that really happens OpenAI will be a shell of itself while Microsoft drives everything.
They don't need cloud as latency is not an issue for research. They could pursue compute in Europe who may have better laws regarding privacy anyway. MSFT is a fat man trying to sit on the little man but the little man is more nimble.
Ilya posted this on Twitter:

"I deeply regret my participation in the board's actions. I never intended to harm OpenAI. I love everything we've built together and I will do everything I can to reunite the company."

https://twitter.com/ilyasut/status/1726590052392956028
money is a manifestation of (collective) energy

combined conceptually with "that which has andor holds most value" where value is a dynamic concept whose precise meaning (significance) changes
Absolutely agreed

This is the point where I've realized I just have to wait until history is written, rather than trying to follow this in real time.

The situation is too convoluted, and too many people are playing the media to try to advance their version of the narrative.

When there is enough distance from the situation for a proper historical retrospective to be written, I look forward to getting a better view of what actually happened.
Apple puts a premium on everything. Remember the iPhone bumpers?
Ok here it is, lol.

https://twitter.com/karaswisher/status/1726598360277356775?s...
This is correct. They give your data for free to a group of advertisers and let them bid on who will pay the most to show you an ad.
> This entire thing is absolutely inane. This tweet is confirmation these people have no idea what they’re doing. Incredible.

Want to know a dirty secret?

Nobody knows what they're doing.

Some think they do - but don't. (idiots)

Some know they don't - but act like they do. (cons)

And some know they don't - and are honest about it. (children)

Pick your poison, but we all suck in different ways - and usually in a different way based on our background.

Business people who are the best in the world tend to be cons.

Technical people who are the best tend to be children.

You get a culture clash between these two, and it is especially bad when you see someone from one background operate in the opposing domain using their background's cultural norm. So when Ilya runs business like a child. Or when Elon hops on an internal call with the twitter engineering team plus geohot and starts trying to confidently tell them about problems with a system that he knows nothing about.

Sure makes for great entertainment though!
https://archive.is/MbXXR
I assumed that due how the whole company/non-profit was structured employees didn't really get any actual equity?
"A billion parameters isn't cool. You know what's cool? A trillion parameters."
It would be crazy to see the fall of most hyped company in last 10 years.

If all those employees leave and microsoft reduce their credits it's game over.
I said this on Friday: the board should be fired in its entirety. Not because the firing was unjustified--we have know real knowledge of that--but because of how it was handled.

If you fire your founder CEO you need to be on top of messaging. Your major customers can't be surprised. There should've been an immediate all hands at the company. The interim or new CEO should be prepared. The company's communications team should put out statements that make it clear why this was happening.

Obviously they can be limited in what they can publicly say depending on the cause but you need a good narrative regardless. Even something like "The board and Sam had fundamental disagreement on the future direction of the company." followed by what the new strategy is, probably from the new CEO.

The interim CEO was the CEO and is going back to that role. There's a third (interim) CEO in 3 days. There were rumors the board was in talks to re-hire Sam, which is disastrous PR because it makes them look absolutely incompetent, true or not.

This is just such a massive communiccations and execution failure. That's why they should be fired.
Wait I don't get this. Ilya is one of the signatories, who is on the board. With how the numbers work without their participation this couldn't have happened to begin with.
But then you need a CD reader, which is kinda hard to get these days.
I often worry that I’m under qualified for my work.

But seeing how this board manages a $90,000,000,000 company, and is this silly/naive, I now feel a bit better knowing many people are faking it.