skysight-inc/HackerNews huggingface dataset:
Seemed kind of strange this is happening.
thank you. please lmk if you have any feedback, or any leads on getting the word out on this.
Abject amateur hour.
“As long as business - through its investment decisions - controls the supply of jobs; as long as people's livelihood depends upon getting a job, and as long as business is free to move, global liberalism will effectively curb ''democratic excesses.''”
I don’t see how this article even responds to the quote. Hinton didn’t make any claims that because it’s autocomplete it’s not thinking. If anything he’s saying really truly good autocomplete necessarily takes more understanding/thinking than a derogatory interpretation of ‘autocomplete’ would suggest.

Somehow OP seemed to twist that into “because I think on autopilot most of the time, then chatbots must think too”. Which is not totally incongruous with Hinton’s quote so much as a weird thing to balloon into an essay.
Even total pawns on corporate boards know better than this.
OpenAI will lose access to MS and the billions required to continue the research as quickly as MS is able to move. The non-profit will continue, but without the resources required to do much, and any scientists who want to have “real world impact” as opposed to “ideological dreams” will move on.

Competition will kill these ideological dreams because the technology has huge commercial and political applications. MS would never have invested had they foreseen these events and OpenAI cannot achieve their mission without access to incredible amounts of capital.

He’s dead Jim, but it’ll take a long time before the corpse stops twitching.
While the article didn't mention it, free will is a problem for theists too - even more so in my opinion.

An omnipotent being who has perfect knowledge of the future already knows what you'll do. There is no wiggle room in there for you to make a 'different' choice.
It looks like open AI alignment problem
PragmataPro is so close to perfection for me! But it loses to MPlus Code because PragmataPro doesn't support font weights below 400 (yet?)

I still bought it, because it's gorgeous, thank you for sharing it. I've emailed the font creator so hopefully they've got plans for thinner versions.
You can make bombs rather easily too. It’s all about making it effortless which LLMs do.
It is still peeving.

I totally agree there is a change in relative frequency. I think the pause button on tape machines, video playback, etc. has made it a much more common word.

The recency illusion is when, for example, you think the verb sense of "to pause" was something new, when it is centuries old.

That can't be precisely your point, as Shakespeare used pause as a verb, as https://www.opensourceshakespeare.org/search/search-results.... shows.

But you are really complaining about "to pause <X>", like how this 20+ year old example from the patent at https://patents.google.com/patent/US6567787B1/en?q=(%22disad... uses "For example, if there are many customers waiting in line, it is disadvantageous to pause transactions since that would increase the waiting time of those customers."

or when IBM in 1985 or so wrote "Only the computer that paused printing can continue printing" at https://archive.org/details/bitsavers_ibmpclanNe6361559IBMPC...

Why does that get you worked up? Language changes all the time, and this process started at least by the time I was a teenager.
Yep, "fiduciary" is about a trust relationship. A fiduciary is obligated to act in a trustworthy manner. 501c3 board members are entrusted with the welfare of the organization vs. their own interests.

I surmise that "Revlon" stands for "an entity worth billions". IOW having a component with large monetary value to manage.
This story that they want him back turns it from amateur hour to peak clownshow.

This is why you need someone with business experience running an organization. Ilya et al might be brilliant scientists, but these folks are not equipped to deal with the nuances of managing a ship as heavily scrutinised as OpenAI
You're not totally wrong, buy there's a really nice Delacroix not far from the totally underwhelming Mona Lisa / Joconde. (Yes "later", but still a must see.)

And I'm not totally sure, but I would bet that a lot of early medieval Christian art is French? I mean the Carolingians / Merovingians must have left something no?

And if the Louvre doesn't have impressionist art I would be totally disappointed? You're probably talking about the tennis court museum (edit: Jeu de paume museum, not far from the Louvre), but still? I think the problem is that the Louvre is so big than you're gonna miss stuff.
Competition may be good for profit, but it's not good for safety. The balance between the two factions inside OpenAI is a feature, not a bug.
What unpopular world view exactly?
Definitely related to doomerism, imo. There’s no way Ilya spends all day thinking about how to contain “super intelligent AI” and watching prototype demos that “push back the veil of ignorance” and makes a decision of this magnitude without all that being the driving factor.

The safety comment seemed more about reassuring people there wasn’t, like, a data breach or “escaped model” or something crazy. In other words, clarifying that the disagreement was about the future, not the present.
How can it be called a coup when they were always in charge anyway? It’s literally the boards job to fire/hire the CEO (and other C suite folk).
I did not forget Artemis. Artemis 2 will not require Starship; it's just the Orion capsule going around the moon and back. Starship Human Landing System won't be needed until Artemis 3, which is currently scheduled for December 2025. That is a lot of time use to get Starship in shape to operate beyond Earth, and even if it isn't enough, won't result in the cancellation of the Artemis project.
Or what's left of it, anyway.
She should be more famous now for being an incompetent board member lol - see news about them talking to Sam to bring him back as CEO.
Au contraire, Monsieur.

The reason that Western sanctions have had very little effect on Russia the last few years is that Russia has become very self-sufficient in all areas of its economy since around 2010.

Ditto for Chinese semiconductors. The US embargoes are going to do more FOR Chinese semiconductors than AGAINST them. They are pushing the Chinese to go faster in their race towards semiconductor self-sufficiency. Once they reach that, not only will the Chinese not need US semiconductors any more, they will actively compete against them.

Like the US steel and concrete industries, the US semiconductor industries are headed for oblivion. When the US semiconductor industries could have been raking in billions of bucks, for years in the future, except for those stupid embargoes.
You underestimate how many people are aware of OpenAI after ChatGPT's viral success.

The news yesterday broke the tech/AI bubble, and there would have been much more press on it if it wasn't done as a Friday news dump.
Isn't that a massive quality improvement though? How many applications for LLMs are not feasible right now because of the ability for models to be swayed of course by a gentle breeze? If AI is a ship with a sail, data is the wind and alignment is the equivalent of a rudder.
My main concern is that a new Altman-led AI company would be less safety-focused than OpenAI. I think him returning to OpenAI would be better for AI safety, hard to say whether it would be better for AI progress though.
Literally Sam on Monday: https://youtu.be/O5WBfOK5syA?t=44
Why would you assume any of that? So it’s easier to dismiss the notion?
I'm sure he'll be fine, and well compensated and able to do what he wants elsewhere.
Sutskever’s coup went about as well as Prigozhin‘s coup.
> What happens in your country when you go the hospital and they figure out you have cancer.

Public healthcare is one of the best in the world. I pay my social security taxes, which benefit everybody (including me).
I don’t know which part you think is not true, but for me it’s 100% true
1 - not running a move like this by the company that invested a reported $10 billion dollars;

2 - clearly not having spent even 10 seconds thinking about the (obvious) reaction of employees on learning the ceo of what seems like a generational company was fired out of the blue. Or the reaction to the (high likelihood) of a cofounder following him out the door

3 - And they didn't even carefully think through the reaction to the press release which hinted at some real wrongdoing by Altman.

3a - anyone want to bet if they even workshopped the press release with attorneys or just straight yolo'd it? No chance a thing like this could end up in court...

They've def got the A team running things... my god.
Clownshow. Holy shit, this is what happens when stupid people get put into positions of power and money and have no idea how things actually work. Fucking non-profits are the worst to deal with.
When this started I was reminded of old Matt Levine articles about who really controls a company. There were some amusing examples.

The board can sack a CEO but if they keep their influence over employees, customers and shareholders... what's the board going to do?
What matters is what investors think, and by majority they seem very unhappy with all of this.

Speaking for myself, if they had framed this as a difference in vision, I would be willing to listen. But instead they implied that he had committed some kind of categorical wrongdoing. After it became clear that wasn’t the case, it just made them look incompetent.
I mean, they're (allegedly) trying to get him to come back 24 hours later... so it's safe to say it did indeed backfire completely.

Sure, the average person doesn't care about Sam. But among the people who matter, Sam certainly came out on top.
I mean this as an honest question, but what does Sam bring to the table that any other young and high performing CEO wouldn’t? Is he himself particularly material to OpenAI?
I agree, the way they did this just shows incompetence and recklessness.

Even if they are making the right call, you can't really trust them after ruining the reputation and trust of the company like this.
The opposite, competition erodes profits. Hard to predict which alternative improves safety long term.
It's cool to see that the moment to moment dynamics of the worlds most cutting edge company is no different than a pack of 5 year olds arguing at lunch over a few day period.
Dupe https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38325552
Yea, I feel like this is another traitorous eight moment.

I want a second (first being Anthropic?) OpenAI split. Having Anthropic, OpenAI, SamGregAi, Stability and Mistral and more competing on foundation models will further increase the pressure to open source.

It seems like there is a lull in returns to model size, if that's the case then there's even less basis for having all the resources under a single umbrella.
A company owned by a nonprofit isn't that rare - big European companies like IKEA and Novo Nordisk did it. Of course, they did it for tax evasion.
Origin Private File System is fine but I really wish there was a non-shadow-mode alternative called Origin Public File System that users could also see!

As a website it would be such a courtesy if I could expose some files. Rather than have them all hidden and concealed away, as OPFS does.
I'm a big fan of the ride1up roadster v2.

It does not look electric (Hidden battery in frame). Is super cheap ($900). Has normal tires. (easy replacement) and is fairly light (small battery). The belt-drive eliminates all issues with a standard metal chain.

All the pros of an electric bike and none of the cons. (assuming we're talking about class 1 ebikes)
There's a lot of speculation about this whole fiasco but strictly speaking the board would risk being in breach of fiduciary--as stewards of a charity--if they believed that an executive had misled them about the use of assets. It may piss off their donors because of a personal preference for the executive in question but it would be their responsibility to act accordingly.
that's what sama is for
You only need 4 votes to have a majority if Sam and Greg were present for the vote, which neither were. Ilya + the 2 stooges voting in favor and D'Angelo voting against would be a 3-1 majority.
Support for some RockChip SBCs was recently merged in for 0.13 as a community supported board https://deploy-preview-6262--frigate-docs.netlify.app/config...
Shouldn’t the board resign in that case?

That would also remediate the appearence of total incompetence of this clown show, in addition to admitting the board and Sam don’t fit with each other, and restore confidence for the next investor that their money is properly managed. At the moment, no-one would invest in a company that can be undermined by its non-profit, with a (probably) disparaging press release a few minutes before market closure on a Friday evening, for which Satya had to personally intervene.
Satya drove the removal of Sam, or drove the board to get him back?

From Greg's tweet, it seems like the chaos was largely driven Ilya, who has also been very outspoken against open source and sharing research, which makes me think his motivations are more aligned with those of Microsoft/Satya. I still can't tell if Sam got ousted because he was getting in the way of a Microsoft takeover, or if Sam was trying to set the stage for a Microsoft takeover. It's all very confusing.
This is Elon level recklessness.. is he involved in any way?
Now where does this doubt come from?

This _person_ has worked and was rapidly promoted to leadership positions at two of the companies that have extremely outsized reputations for technical proficiency, during periods which both companies achieved dramatic successes...

but somehow, somehow, there are doubts about _her_?
Broadly the same - 7 seats a launch, about 2 failures in about 150 launches, or 14 seat failures in 1000 seat launches. The early launches didn’t have 7 people on but it’s not really relevant.

Worryingly for the shuttle the second failure was well into its lifespan. 5 failures in 50 launches then no failures for 200 more launches is better than 1 failure every 60 launches despite the second being theoretically better from the numbers.
Israel is a heavily militarized country. The country would not be able to exist without the latest military tech. Ilya flirting with the tech scene of Israel is a very good indicator that he is not anti mil-tech.
This is valid thought process BUT Altman is not going to come back without the other faction being neutered. It just would not make any sense.
> You agree with the fact that iOS developers must go through the App Store? Would you want it to be illegal for you to distribute any content you produce and for you to have to go through a middle man?

I have no opinion on this as it is not currently a problem and it is not relevant.

> Does that also mean if that I wanted to create my own Indy movie I couldn’t sell it on my own website?

Just like you can create your own movie and show it at your own venue, so can you sell it on your website. However studios cannot own movie theaters and should not own their own distribution platforms. Taking something and mincing it down to the smallest iteration and using that to prove that it is wrong is either obtuse or dishonest.

> How does it help the consumer for all content to have to go through a middle man where they get a cut?

Should drug companies own pharmacies? What about hospitals?

At a certain point it is not good for the consumer to let manufacturers control the distribution of their product.
This is a tragedy as some of my favourite talks were from there (watched via YouTube for me).
He'll probably go to X to work for Musk, Microsoft is too big and too controlling and will eventually go full Gavin Belson (from the Silicon Valley show) and want to put GPT in a box to do Windows telemetry or something similar, while Musk can pay Altman some ungodly amount to build something with at least a vision behind it.
iphone/ipad would be a ton better if you could install kodi on it.
Starship from Florida
I'm not saying aliens have built a Death Star, but aliens have built a Death Star.
Altman reacts the how Murati answers a question, implicitly suggesting he might have answered it differently. He could have just kept quiet. Whether this is significant is left as a question for the observer, however, in addition to me, the interviewer noticed it and felt the need to comment.

Personally, in this interview I sensed a disconnect between Altman and Murati, possibly others working at OpenAI. Usually Altman is by himself in these interviews; there's no one else from OpenAI. It led me to suspect Altman was telling interviewers what they wanted to hear.
Well he seems pretty sold on the AGI idea and starting from scratch at a new place without the same data or same compute is quite the challenge
Recreational PATRIOT batteries.
I'm responding to a post by a self hating engineer that seems to think that this specific debacle was caused by engineers. No, it was caused by non engineers. And while yes, I do have disdain for people that spends thousands to study skills that contribute nothing to their fellow man or woman, I don't think scientist or artist are those things. (Mba and ethicist definitely are mastibatory self important bullshit)

The real reason I disdain the majority of the board of openai is that there are clearly 3 people on the board that have accomplished nothing and are clear trust fund babies.
Any talented engineer or scientist who actually wants to ship product AND make money would head over to Sam’s startup. Any investor who cares about making money would fund Sam’s startup as well.

The way the board pulled this off really gave them no good outcome. They stand to lose talent AND investors AND customers. Half the people I know who use GPT in their work are wondering if it will be even worth paying for if the model’s improvements stagnates with the departure of these key people.
In all these arguments its implied that this "genuine intelligence" is something humans all have, and nothing could be farther from the truth, that is why we have flat earthers or religious people and many other people beliving for decades easily refutable lies.
Riding Sunbeams with Solar Sails
If you’ve been successful enough at a quant firm that you want to try to set up your own firm, it’s not one year of base pay from garden leave that’s going to be providing your start-up capital.

But also, setting up a competitor is definitely violating noncompete. If you look at how actual firms started (basically all of them start from people leaving other firms) the founders waited out noncompetes. It would be a waste of money and potentially scare off investors by risking getting massively sued.

The things people normally do are like:

- go travelling, especially to places less well suited to short trips. Hard for people with partners who don’t want to stop working for a year or two.

- learn/train for something. Eg maybe requires a bunch of courses or maybe just a lot of time and effort.

- some combination of the above, eg mountaineering requires a certain amount of training/fitness as well as long trips

- some kind of civic/vocational thing where you’re applying professional skills from work but not IP, eg taking a more active role as a charity trustee

- spending more time with kids/other family

- working for some non-competitor like Google for a year.
SV... Like high tech companies? Venture capital? The TV show? What do you mean by that?
openai literally innovated all of this in their current conditions, so they are sufficient
MSFT trying to work something out before market opens on Monday.
Ask HN: AI-proof Captcha
As LLMs get better and better in solving riddles, is there a CAPTCHA which is simple for human but complex for multi-modal LLMs? Maybe just barely visible prompt injection in picture could fool them? Ideas?
While you obviously seem to care more about business experience than other things, it seems odd that you would discount Adam D'Angelo even from your point of argument - The former CTO/VP of Engineering for Facebook and founding CEO of Quora isn't exactly a no-name dope.
New developments faster than you can read the stories about them... https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/18/technology/ousted-openai-... (https://archive.vn/4U6tu)
How much IP is captured at OpenAI though? Not to mention the hardware. I’m not super familiar with ML in practice but I have to imagine he would still be set back by a significant amount of time
You have to do it any time there are more than one child, because then the estate needs to be divided up accurately. You also have to do it any time there is anything significant in the inherited properties, because this needs to be taxed.

It’s something a notary require to execute the deceased’s will, you cannot not do it in general. You need it also for houses and buildings, in which case an assessment from an estate agent is usually enough.
Given the new AI firm Sam is currently staffing up I think that openAI will fail at getting him back.

It would seem board might have felt they were backed into a corner.
Probably faced with more internal turmoil than expected and then realized their bluff had been called?

I was willing to believe Ilya had at least a decent reason to do something so drastic but who knows, this ain't looking good for him.
I find the idea that some random court filing would succeed in recalling the board of the most high profile technology company in the world, based on “we felt that they were brusque and unprofessional”, to be very unlikely. I mean, MAYBE if some of them started going to prison, but otherwise… this seems like the realm of politics more than court proceedings. But maybe I’m missing some precedents?
At longer timescales it is important to be able to recognize mistakes and reverse course, but this happened so fast I'm not sure that's the right characterization. There's no way they could already decide that firing Sam was a mistake based on the outcomes they claim to prioritize. Reversing course this quickly actually seems to me more like a reaction based directly on people's negative opinions, though it may be a specific pressure from Microsoft as well.
Very nullsome ;)
He already has a fantastic proof of concept. Sure, it will take a little longer, but he can easily raise the billions in funding and find the people to build it.
Well it is in Go, so has to be verbose
Experience heading a company that builds high performance AI, I presume. I reckon the learnings from that should be fairly valuable, especially since there's probably not many people who have such experiences.
Clowns are back in the town!
None of the human actors in the game are moral agents so whether you have more competition or less competition it's mostly orthogonal to the safety question. Safety is only important here because everyone's afraid of liability.

As a customer though, personally I want a product with all safeguards turned off and I'm willing to pay for that.
In Rust you can wrap a context by chaining a context method on before the ?, at least with libraries like anyhow.
Please use example domains as examples :). Example.com, example.org, and example.net were made for this and it avoids accidentally-existing email addresses ending up on spam lists because someone posted it publicly as an example
Rationality is relative.

And I reckon that you haven't met many C-suite people.
You can't autocomplete if you don't understand. It's talking the talk.

But there's levels of understanding. That's where TFA's logical understanding comes in, because it makes possible entirely new insights. It's walking the walk.

How routine is it for human's to have entirely new insights? Note here we mean, new to them. I suggest we do it all the time. Every time a child understands something new. Even if it is "taught" to them, they must acquire the insight for themselves.

funfact: Shannon investigated how good humans are at predicting the next letter of English text (one-character "autocomplete"?), to estimate the information entropy of text. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35813991