skysight-inc/HackerNews huggingface dataset:
> based on what math?

Based on future potential. Investors dont know how high will OpenAI go but they know that is going to go high.
> the technical VR "stuff that works" is basically written by Qualcomm.

I worked at Oculus on the product that became Quest from 2014-2019 and this statement could not be more wrong. You need more than a vulkan driver to make a VR headset, e.g:

* lenses that minimize distortion and chromatic aberration, that are lightweight and compact
* astounding amounts of work on inside-out tracking to make it work within latency and power budgets with sufficient accuracy
* latency reduction and prediction throughout the stack
* foveated rendering
* supporting all of those things in Unity and Unreal

And for every one of those there are 10 more that I'm forgetting.

> The user side Android system is, really badly done and irritating for people using it as people like Carmack have pointed out.

The user shell side we have today is entirely his creation, as a response to the less-than-stellar behavior of the Unity shell in the first release. I'm not sure Android is very material for the day-to-day user experience; it's just a particularly opinionated version of linux.

There are plenty of missteps here, but none of them are things you've described.
Because he has no scribe now - it’s real Sam. An architect drawn some chicken scratch on a napkin and others make it happen. Also, how is the prose in the Google emails from the trial?

This is the Guggenheim, https://architectelevator.com/architecture/famous-architects...
Volvo has always had amazing marketing. I know this isn't Volvo Trucks, but another banger: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTjLmHXoNNw
OpenAI shouldn't even be making a profit, as it's a 501(c)3 charity. The whole umbrella for-profit corp they formed when they became popular should be illegal, and is clearly immoral.
The focus on openness was literally how the board ended their statement on firing Altman.

And then Greg being all "committed to safety" in his resignation statement makes me think this was a conflict between being an open OpenAI with global research or being closed and proprietary in the name of safety.
What is this thing of people not using their shift key anymore? Sam Altman does the same. I don’t trust these people. ;)
The money & startup people co-opted the scientific non-profit. Not vice versa.
GPT-4 has effectively no competition for what your can extract out of it without any fine-tuning.
Don’t you know?

Random twitter guy has thoughts on $Current_Event and a witty quip about the “vibes”. It’s crucial we post this without context to the discussion
Pretty sure he works at OpenAI. Beyond that, hard to say how important he is.
If it were about safety, the appropriate regulation would NOT be parking fees.
You agree with him that "Jewish communities push hatred against whites"?
But Jeff was the shareholder and those were his nominees right? Not to mention he was mostly able to pick the board as needed. In for profit corporation there is a clear ultimate ownership in shareholders. No such thing here.
I guess we'll see much faster enshittification now?

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+1, the parent comment was helpful, tbh today I found out that 4 board members on OpenAI, 3 of whom I never heard of till this news, have so much power over this organization that has been making headline news for most of the past year.
> "Open"AI (the name is an insult to all those truly working on open models, but I digress)

Thank you. I don't see this expressed enough.

A true idealist would be committed to working on open models. Anyone who thinks Sam was in it for the good of humanity is falling for the same "I'm-rich-but-I-care" schtick pulled off by Elon, SBF, and others.
Feels like the kind of situation where the two are just going to end up forming a new company that eventually surpasses OpenAI.
at this point, it's work to keep autocorrect from fixing this.
Not mentioned in the article is that Akira Toriyama, the creator of Dragon Ball, is the character designer for Dragon Quest. This is a big part of the appeal for many and I’m certain there are people who today pick up the games for that alone. The weaker enemies in particular have a kind of whimsical endearing appeal that makes them distinct from other franchises; you can imagine the personality of a dinosaur or demon by looking at the sprite. Which, if you’re familiar with Toriyama’s other work, gives it a sort of levity to the early portions of the story when you’re just a bight-eyed kid going on an adventure.
They are not. If I have the TV on in the background while I’m on a Facebook Messenger voice chat and it logs details about what show was on, that’s markedly different than a scenario where Messenger is recording me when the app is not opened in the foreground and doing something obviously related to audio recording. I’m not claiming Messenger is or is not passively recording people, but I do want to note that the distinction above is what the original comment seems to be about.
> The next AI winter may have just begun...

Because two executives were ousted from a company? That's dramatic.
Microsoft invested $10b and owns 49% of OpenAi. Yet they don’t have a board seat? Thats genuinely insane, and seems like a huge issue.
Thoughts about my process for managing current investments/researching new ideas
GPT4 has been closed for a long long time, nothing technical was ever released. The board can't suddenly one day wake up from a long sleep and decide that things have to become open right this minute.
I mean AGI
Are we going to start speculating about insane conspiracy theories now?
The cat's out of the box for profit or not ... those who make living off of copyright will just have to deal with it as they dealt with Napster and all other innovations.
Clorox just fired their CISO last week for a data breach
I generally feel the same way having spent a lot of my childhood on a farm, but when I started adding up the cost of all the random tools I would buy (now that I can’t skip out to a barn with 50 years of accumulated tools) to complete a task, and the time for the multiple Home Depot runs/missed steps I’ve started to realize it’s easier and cheaper (in some cases) to have someone else do it. Though there are still some tasks I can’t help doing myself just because I enjoy the challenge, catharsis, or I just want done properly.
The claim was that non-profits "just put their friends on the board". No difference.
the theory that Altman did something in bad faith means that it might not be a disagreement but it's something that forced Sutskever to vote against Sam
He was renoved as Chairman at the same time (close enough that they were announced together, and presumably linked in cause, though possibly a separate vote) as Altman was removed as CEO.
Escaped AGI /s

Random? Twitter account who's leaked a few things at Open AI for months now.
You've put "learned the news" in quote, but what Greg Brockman wrote was "based on today's news".

That could simply mean that he disagreed with the outcome and is expressing that disagreement by quitting.

EDIT: Derp. I was reading the note he wrote to OpenAI staff. The tweet itself says "After learning today's news" -- still ambiguous as to when and where he learned the news.
Who taught you that? It is not proper use. I cringe when I see ABC’s and 123’s. Worse than fingernails on the chalkboard.
This document reflects the strategy we’ve refined over the past two years, including feedback from many people internal and external to OpenAI. The timeline to AGI remains uncertain, but our Charter will guide us in acting in the best interests of humanity throughout its development.
OpenAI’s mission is to ensure that artificial general intelligence (AGI)—by which we mean highly autonomous systems that outperform humans at most economically valuable work—benefits all of humanity. We will attempt to directly build safe and beneficial AGI, but will also consider our mission fulfilled if our work aids others to achieve this outcome. To that end, we commit to the following principles:
Broadly distributed benefits
We commit to use any influence we obtain over AGI’s deployment to ensure it is used for the benefit of all, and to avoid enabling uses of AI or AGI that harm humanity or unduly concentrate power.
Our primary fiduciary duty is to humanity. We anticipate needing to marshal substantial resources to fulfill our mission, but will always diligently act to minimize conflicts of interest among our employees and stakeholders that could compromise broad benefit.
Long-term safety
We are committed to doing the research required to make AGI safe, and to driving the broad adoption of such research across the AI community.
We are concerned about late-stage AGI development becoming a competitive race without time for adequate safety precautions. Therefore, if a value-aligned, safety-conscious project comes close to building AGI before we do, we commit to stop competing with and start assisting this project. We will work out specifics in case-by-case agreements, but a typical triggering condition might be “a better-than-even chance of success in the next two years.”
Technical leadership
To be effective at addressing AGI’s impact on society, OpenAI must be on the cutting edge of AI capabilities—policy and safety advocacy alone would be insufficient.
We believe that AI will have broad societal impact before AGI, and we’ll strive to lead in those areas that are directly aligned with our mission and expertise.
Cooperative orientation
We will actively cooperate with other research and policy institutions; we seek to create a global community working together to address AGI’s global challenges.
We are committed to providing public goods that help society navigate the path to AGI. Today this includes publishing most of our AI research, but we expect that safety and security concerns will reduce our traditional publishing in the future, while increasing the importance of sharing safety, policy, and standards research.
It's just an old TV hung on the wall hooked up to a Pi.
This is what aging millenials do to make it seem like they don't really care too much about what's going on and that they're 20 years younger.
To add to the sibling comment, the Apache license requires you to carry along the NOTICE file, whereas MIT does not. This is often overlooked.
If you started executing your strategy and hid it from the board and told them you were doing what they told you to do, yes.
Sadly taken at a time when phones with cameras were fairly new (with poor resolution), and taking photos in public spaces was largely considered uncouth (imagine!)
> I started showing people ChatGPT when it first came out, they shrugged, they didn't get it. Most people still don't get how important generative AI is and will be. Eventually, they'll have that moment too.

I have seen ChatGPT. Until they fix the error rate, I see it as a novelty. A toy you can’t count on nor offload responsibility to.
Greg's removal was announced in the same press release as Altman's
Greg just announced he is leaving Open AI as well.
Is Microsoft fully indemnified if they discovered an OpenAI leak, but kept it to themselves?
They invested in the for-profit, not the non-profit. The non-profit controls the for-profit.
https://twitter.com/FreddieRaynolds/status/17256564730808771...
Just guessing here, but I think the board can form a quorum without the chair, and vote, and as long as they have a majority, i think they can proceed with a press release based on their vote.
Maybe it didn't. Maybe it's been pushing on this for a bit and Altman kept paying lip service to it or made commitments in their eyes, and those weren't being followed through on
My frame is a Pi, so it's easier.
That doesn't seem insane to me in this case. OpenAI is easily the most important non profit for any Government in the whole world.
Thanks for posting this, but the list in the USA is so long and full of likely toxic stuff, I want to vomit.
It's also funny when you put this in the context of the whole Israel situation, as if most Israeli Jews are somehow "woke"? Come on dude, that shit doesn't fly in Israel.
In the board I served on in the past we had an agreed quorum where we could make binding decisions if ~2/3rds of the members were present.

Probably a similar situation.
I'm thinking about other things that quietly disappeared.

film development, pay phones, radio stations, record stores, video rental, etc...
I think claiming to quit over AGI danger is more believable to outsiders than “I want to spend time with family, totally coincidentally after my boss was fired”
At the executive level, there are parachutes. Layoffs don't hurt the same.
We don't really know anything about the internal finances at this point. The product is solid but who knows how fucked up things are. Maybe they were on track to run out of money. GPU compute ain't cheap.
Three other people have left the board this year: Reid Hoffman, Will Hurd and the person from Neuralink.
Knowing what some of those three letter agencies have gotten caught doing, I'm not so sure this particular one would be so insane.
they transitioned to for-profit in 2019
yes. this is a very strange event and given the relationship to what we may call "cutting edge applied DL" technology, right after DevDay, with two key players dropping out. GDB leaving is pretty wild, IMO. indicates something maybe on the engineering level wasn't above board. Anyways, we shall see. I think some conspiratorial thinking is fine, especially if its backed up with some evidence. This comment isn't, but the fact remains this is pretty weird and people should let their minds wander and connect dots that maybe they half-remember. IMO
You think too highly of the government
> He was chairman of the board, no? surely he was in the meeting?

Since he was removed as Chairman at the same time as Altman was as CEO, presumably he was excluded from that part of the meeting (which may have been the whole meeting) for the same reason as Altman would have been.
Founder of e/acc movement.
Maybe this is the reason?
I think a lot of people don't understand how anonymous sourcing works in jounalism.
Yeah, two apex species battling it out on their turf.

In a story linked from the article "Orcas ‘playing games’ with British yachts as Spain plans to ban boats after attacks"[0] they seem to be very aware of what they are or aren't doing.

> Mr de Stephanis added: “If two or three killer whales really attacked a yacht, they would sink it in a matter of seconds.

It's like their either teaching their young, or just practicing non-lethal disabling in 'black belt' ways.

[0] https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1784968/orca-attacks-gi...
Feels like the same kind of language I use when trying to get ChatGPT to stop doing the thing. Just repeat my negative commands in various, slightly different wordings and hope one of them sticks
Millennials were born centered around 1990. Most of them were in their late teens by the time social media as we know it today really entered the zeitgeist. Even if it's true that social media is distracting in a way that affects education and skill development, this would have an impact on younger generations, not as much millennials, who are used to the internet as a tool, not as an integral part of the world.

As for the premise itself, I find it doubtful. All of my friends below age 30 (i.e. past millennials) have a much stronger working knowledge of marketable skills than I did at a younger age, as well as more open and free resources to develop them. It is most often access and connections that block their career progress, not capability.
It’s quite rare for these board communications to say anything of substance at all. You let the PR folks work their magic and manage the narrative. This reads like 4 people out of their depth desperately trying to justify themselves.

I would not be surprised if it turns out Microsoft has a multibillion dollar, complex financial instrument axe on the necks of these people by Monday forcing a sale or a new management structure that gives them more control.
Sticking gold in a vault is only a means to saving if you have a reasonable expectation that when you take it out you can use it to obtain goods and services. It is thus a disguised claim on future production, and so relies on debt to exactly the same degree as bank money.
The original source mentions "a new UserScripts API"[0].

[0] https://developer.chrome.com/blog/resuming-the-transition-to...
Everyone as in every human being on earth, or everyone as in most reasonable people? I'm not convinced at all. ChatGPT tells you it can lie before you can even ask it anything.
Since there's already a Microsoft-OpenAI thread on the front page and this article says even less than that one does, I suppose we can just stick with what we have for now:

Microsoft was blindsided by OpenAI's ouster of CEO Sam Altman - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38312372
non-Jews on any color, not just Whites
I missed your nick :) Fellow E11 (or rather, ex-E11-er) here.

I just picked it because it was closest to the border. You can have Brighton or Hastings or Rye if one of them works better for you.
Related ongoing thread:

Satya Nadella's Statement on OpenAI - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38312355

and for completeness I suppose (though at the moment they're #1 and #2):

OpenAI's board has fired Sam Altman - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38309611

Greg Brockman quits OpenAI - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38312704
We just don’t know enough yet. Sam could’ve been let go over a disagreement about direction. Or he could’ve been cooking the books. Or he could’ve been concealing the true operating costs. Or subscriber numbers. Some of those things just require a change in leadership. Others are existential risks to OpenAI.
Can you elaborate? Clearly MSFT has lot riding on the OpenAI wave and the PR statement looks more like a statement to the open AI board that there are signed agreements in place that MSFT expects to be honored. It seems to be a stretch to say MSFT itself is a reliability risk!
I wonder if this is one of those pivotal moments in history where OpenAI collapses or fades and Google or someone else dominates the future of AI, and we’re all left wondering “what if”.
Side note, but knowing that this is Michigan your story further cements my impression that the dealership cartels are unusually toxic in this state.
Sam Altman was raising a VC fund when OpenAI fired him
I belong to a “car club”, where there are specific cars that live in specific locations (mostly residential streets - there are several within east access of my house). I can book a car using an app, and when it’s time, I can open the car and start my booking using it too.
Either the board will resign and Altman will return.

Or Altman will start a competitor.
The theory is Altman gave his eye scanning crypto company early access to openAI tech without telling anyone and what ensued is just FAFO in action.
Ask HN: Is there an AI knowledge path?
I am a software developer with around ~10 years on the job. I am interested on developing an understanding on AI; is there material that will help me create a mapping of the field?

Thank you
That's rich coming from IBM
I hate that phrasing including because it sounds intentional.

I do think that support of “progressives” often ends up that way even when people support it for innocent reasons.
What’s the likelihood this is over a Microsoft acquisition? Purely speculative here, but Sam might have been a roadblock.

Edit: Maybe this is a reasonable explanation: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38312868 . The only other thing not considered is that Microsoft really enjoys having its brand on things.
yeah I'm sure he'll have something stupid to say about it very soon to attract the attention to himself.
Oh no not Britain's largest newspaper! A nation known for the quality of its media. It's over for openai, I'm sure they'll fold rather than just not doing business with a comparatively small market if anything came out of that lol.
They don't need you to be their pr department. Their products are based on research done at Google and Meta, they're not the only ones working on this and they're also one of the smaller players in the space.
Not so sure about that. It reads to me like there is a personal scandal on the horizon that has come to the board's attention, and the board feels their hands are tied. Hard for me to believe its business decision related; Sam is elite in this regard, and is not really incentivized to violate their charter.

Bummer in any situation... the progress in this domain is truly exciting, and OpenAI was executing so well. This will slow things down considerably.
Nobody knows who he is but this is the latest in a series of correct leaks he's made at Open AI for months now. Fair enough I didn't expand but "Jimmy Apples" of all people being unphased by this revelation that supposedly even Microsoft was unaware of is the funniest timeline.
https://www.technologyreview.com/2022/04/06/1048981/worldcoi...

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/richardnieva/worldcoin-...
The reason for his termination isn't clear, but based on the report, it appears that he had difficulties with the board. As a founder I don't like this kind of events and this type of action has typically not yielded positive results for hyper-growth companies. Historical examples like Apple, Uber, and WeWork show that such moves often led to stagnation or even bankruptcy. I view it as counterproductive, potentially allowing competitors like Google to catch up, as these decisions tend to impede innovation.
Yes, you can only benefit when other people enjoy your services. The only way to enrich yourself without providing something useful to others is using violence.
Fair point, but they must have fixed something, given that in most years they're at least breaking even when the companies they acquired were leaking money.
Oh wow I pitched this to tonari at the start of 2022 not knowing this existed. It’s beautiful
Yeah I studied mathematics and computer science at post graduate level, including formal logic, and consider CRT to be a pseudo-intellectual field of "study" that actively destroys critical thinking. There is no intellectual rigor in that. They produce indoctrinated midwits and are lobotomizing young people.

Merely having "critical" in the title does not mean that it actually teaches critical thinking.

Critical Theory has absolutely nothing to do with teaching critical thinking.

> is that why the less wrong movement emerged from your country?

I live far away from the USA in a very "progressive" country.
I remember signing up to do that in college to make extra money and them not accepting me. Bah!
What if government is also some frontend?

Man I'm drunk in conspiracy theories tonight. Between a huge lay off and the Open AI fiasco please allow me indulge myself...
https://twitter.com/sama/status/1725631621511184771
None of that can be a reason for a step like this. OpenAI can easily charge much more for their products, and there is a market for even extremely high prices (even if not as big) and given this is a non profit, it doesn't even need to make billions of dollars in money.
Russia is partially geographically sort of Eastern Europe, not in the union though. Israelis officials think it's in Europe too, and it's in the East.
Boards cannot meet or act without notice to board members and the opportunity for them to participate.
Poe has allowed custom bots for over 6 months now. It's a very similar experience to creating/using [custom] GPTs.