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To all the commenters in this thread, here we are a few days later.....

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-11-19/openai-ne...

OpenAI Negotiations to Reinstate Altman Hit Snag Over Board Role

OpenAI’s leaders want board removed, but directors resisting
Microsoft’s Nadella leading high-stakes talks on Altman return

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By Emily Chang, Edward Ludlow, Rachel Metz, and Dina Bass
November 20, 2023 at 7:17 AM GMT+11
Updated on November 20, 2023 at 7:47 AM GMT+11

A group of OpenAI executives and investors racing to get Sam Altman reinstated to his role as chief executive officer have reached an impasse over the makeup and role of the board, according to people familiar with the negotiations. The decision to restore Altman’s role as CEO could come quickly, though talks are fluid and still ongoing.

At midday Sunday, Altman and former President Greg Brockman were in the startup’s headquarters, according to people familiar with the matter.

OpenAI leaders pushing for the board to resign and to reinstate Altman include Interim CEO Mira Murati, Chief Strategy Officer Jason Kwon and Chief Operating Officer Brad Lightcap, according to a person with knowledge of the discussions.
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Altman, who was fired Friday, is open to returning but wants to see governance changes — including the removal of existing board members, said the people, who asked not to be identified because the negotiations are private. After facing intense pressure following their decision to fire Altman Friday, the board agreed in principle to step down, but have so far refused to officially do so. The directors have been vetting candidates for new directors.

At the center of the high-stakes negotiations between the executives, investors and the board is Microsoft Corp. CEO Satya Nadella. Nadella has been leading the charge on talks between the different factions, some of the people said. Microsoft is OpenAI’s biggest investor, with $13 billion invested in the company.
I think Sam could "potentially" be the bigger man in this.

Ilya may still be someone who should be on the board... Especially given his role as head of alignment research. He deserves a say on key issues related to OpenAI.

People get excited. Stupid things happen. Especially in startups.

ChatGPT having become so successful doesn't change the fact that the company as a whole, is fairly immature still.

They should seriously just laugh about it and move on.

Let's just say that Ilya had a bad couple of days, and probably needs a couple of weeks of vacation.
Yes, they're almost certainly going to do it a 3.x release.

I think in some senses these backward compatibility breaks have already happened. I remember that Google got bit by async becoming a keyword in I think Tensorflow.

Generally a lot of old Python 3 code still works today if it doesn't do anything really weird like that, but I do definitely think that the pain of Python 2 to 3 was painful so they don't really want to repeat it.

I think it is probably prudent to treat point releases as major releases at least with regards to Python.
I don't have enough info to take a position on the current situation there, but I think that's a brilliant selfie. (Pained reaction to having to wear an OpenAI guest ID.)
It’s pretty disappointing to see this article make claims like “web developers just use naive datetimes”.

I think anyone who does anything nontrivial with datetimes should always use non-naive datetimes (unless you have a really really really good reason to)

Even when I started doing Python web dev 10 years ago this knowledge was bestowed upon me and has saved me many headaches (and helped me find bugs in third party code). The fact this article claims otherwise makes me doubtful of other advice given.

Unfortunately, Pythons date/datetime APIs make it way too easy to do the wrong thing on this topic.
A Brand Is Memory
Well, he is basically the face of OpenAI and ChatGPT and the whole AI push. And at the same time he is not unlikable either.
How many of those involve unattended kids?
Is Arc even known enough to have a significant influence today?
"I interviewed a Japanese bespoke shoemaker last month and asked why are there so many craft-based businesses in japan, like bespoke tailors. He said rent is relatively low in Tokyo, so if you have a passion for making suits and you only have a few customers, you're fine"

https://twitter.com/dieworkwear/status/1725234349111721992

Low rent was both commercial and housing.
If it is unusual, it should not be. President Carter's prolonged time in hospice care highlights something important I think people should take note of: hospice care isn't about giving up. In my eyes, too many people wait for too long to go into hospice because of that mentality. Hospice is just a way to step back from the stressors of curative methods to instead focus on comfort and pain relief, on being with family, and living one's final days with grace. For our loved ones with terminal conditions, we should aim for this period of care to be as long as possible, and that means going into it as soon as possible.
I went for dinner tonight and for some reason they decided to charge an extra pot of gravy at £1 when it always used to be free - this is extremely irritating.
MS leaving would also be a disaster for subsequent development of Bing, Windows Copilot, Office Copilot, Teams AI, various strategically important Azure service like Semantic Search etc. They’ve gone all in on OpenAI LLM’s, support nothing else and have coupled all their AI to them.
>Ego

I can absolutely empathize with Ilya here, though. As far as I know the tech making openai function is largely his life’s work. It would be extremely frustrating to have Sam be the face of it, and be given the credit for it.

Sam is clearly a very accomplished businessman and networker. Those people are super important, I wish I had a person like him on my team.

I’ve had the experience of other people tacitly taking credit for my work. Giving talks about it, receiving praise for their vision. It’s incredibly demoralizing.

I’m not necessarily saying Sam did this, since I don’t know any of these people. Just speculating on how it might feel to ge Ilya watching Sam go on a world tour meeting heads of state to talk about what is largely Ilya’s work.
"This is not a representation of the real world, of facts, but simply a product of its training."

Tell me how that doesn't apply to the human brain as well.
> why do you want to be in their country

I didn't. Blame my employer for sending me there to lead a CAB for our Northern Europe customers. I've always hated traveling to Northern Europe. At least in Italy or Greece I can pass as $Southern_European American so I don't get stink eye.

> you can't be Swedish unless you're born Swedish

So how does a non-ethnic Swede who has been living in Sweden their entire life and with Swedish citizenship become fully Swedish?

This is the crux of the issue. If you aren't given a chance to assimilate, there's no reason to.

At the end of the day, Trump can say racist stuff about Mexican Americans, yet Mexican Americans become Governers, leaders of industry, and everyday middle class people in the US. And this is just one example.

I don't see a similar kind of assimilation in most of Northern Europe, excluding the British Isles and Norway (kinda).
You can't blame the provider. Eg if you were the only hotel in town without the fee and your rate is higher than everyone else you'll likely be empty. I'm sure most hotels are only too happy if everyone is banned and the playing field is flat.
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The theory was not pulled out of anyone’s ass; is just common sense.
You're not "automatically" as if there's some process you can't intercede in. This is a xenophobic position, you can avoid being called xenophobic by not holding it.
I’m old enough to remember when all the employees who supported him were going to resign at 5 pm Saturday
For me it has always been a part of the query parameter

http://endpoint/item?format=json or ?type=json

I never ever had a problem with that. The only reason to use a file extension would be if the request would take no query parameters.

It would never occur to me to use header information for this.
That's even with the proper Vary header, right? Seems like a cloudflare bug if that's true. Maybe even a security bug if you find a service that supports text/plain.
What I’m saying is that the law here isn’t about removal but the ability to not use it (and use something else instead). It sounds extremely unlikely that legal texts would care about what particular method is used to ensure that.
Clearly, the root cause of the problem is not immigrants or immigration, as some others have suggested. It is the people of Sweden who have ultimately done this to, and continue to do it to themselves. It ultimately comes down to their society's collective system of values, where they have also decided that systems of values that don't align are both simultaneously unacceptable and somehow also still permissible.
Thank you for actually adding something interesting.
I hate "expat", just a way of trying to make yourself sound better, it's obnoxious
My first hand anecdotes; we let our kids ride subways on their own in Stockholm from about 9 years old. Everyone I know use public transport, I have never heard anyone complain about this!

Subways are safe. EDIT: I am sure there are problems I am not saying it is perfect
Yeah - I’ve had this rant more times than I can count. Modern PC security is stupid because it protects users from other users (what other users?) but it doesn’t protect users from bad software they run on their own account. When the computer only has 1 user anyway, there isn’t much practical difference between the root user and my user account. But the elephant in the room is software supply chain attacks and malware. The fact any program I run can do anything it wants with all my files is ridiculous and appalling.

Phones get it right. The Facebook app on my phone can’t read Gmail’s data. And Gmail can’t access my photos without permission. On desktop any program can read or write to any of my files. And my files - photos, work, code - matter a lot more to me than anything my OS works hard to protect.

There’s no good technical reason, either. It’s a problem of pure inertia.
Trends are what matters. Murder rates in Hungary and Slovakia have been trending down for quite some time, while Sweden's are rising.
I don’t trust any religion and I certainly don’t want anyone who thinks their religious laws outweigh the ones in existence.
99% of the time I listen to music digitally but I buy LPs for the art and liner notes. My connection with the music I listen to is bigger when I see more of the art and design and read what went into making the album.
Ah that's disappointing, have you tried https://git.ecker.tech/mrq/ai-voice-cloning ? I've had decent results with that, but inference is quite slow.
Doing htmx is just as simple as doing server side rendering. Yes you still have a javascript dependency but that's a lot simpler than a client side javascript framework for pulling data out of a data API and rendering it client side.

I don't think anyone's complaint about server side rendering has ever been that it was too complex.
…and yet a very familiar story in the industry.
What system do you propose to solve this problem?
Nope.

There are bad condition scenarios that would require far more compensation than filling the position delivers value.

"Not worth it" is a very real thing.
ElevenLabs are based on Tortoise-TTS which was already pre-trained on millions of hours of data, but this one was only trained on LibriTTS which was 500 hours at best. If you have seen millions of voices, there are definitely gonna be some of them that sound like you. It is just a matter of training data, but it is very difficult to have someone collect these large amounts of data and train on it.
Criminality isn't just murder rates

https://www.vrt.be/vrtnws/nl/2023/07/27/station-brussel-zuid...
There seems to be a fair bit of overlap with "base-building games" (a genre I'm fond of), including base-building games which I wouldn't necessarily describe as engineering games but just more generally management/simulation/strategy games (e.g. Evil Genius, Prison Architect, etc.) - Rimworld is on the list but feels a lot less engineering-oriented than say, Factorio, but on the other hand, (Open)RCT2 is missing which is surprising.

Basebuilders seem to divide into two rough categories: ones where things you build appear immediately (e.g. RCT2), and ones where minions have to go and install what buildings you command to be installed (e.g. Evil Genius, Factorio's robots).

Recommendations for interesting basebuilders are always of interest.

While we're on the subject: games with level editors (particularly those with some kind of scripting system) are kind of interesting as even if the gameplay isn't "engineering", you can get sucked into level design. DROD comes to mind. A list of games with level editors would also be interesting.
Lamborghini Huracán Sterrato vs Porsche 911 Dakar [video]
It's a feature not a bug that states can charge different sales tax rates..
Can you show me a christian one? A liberal democracy without horrors of genocide and colonialism in its past? If we're meant to respect europeans despite their atrocities you must return the favor.
The nice things about tips is that it adds voluntary price discrimination. If you want to pay more you can. A raised price on the other hand raises a price floor which may disuade customers who are more cost sensitive.
I made a 100% local voice chatbot using StyleTTS2 and other open source pieces (Whisper and OpenHermes2-Mistral-7B). It responds so much faster than ChatGPT. You can have a real conversation with it instead of the stilted Siri-style interaction you have with other voice assistants. Fun to play with!

Anyone who has a Windows gaming PC with a 12 GB Nvidia GPU (tested on 3060 12GB) can install and converse with StyleTTS2 with one click, no fiddling with Python or CUDA needed: https://apps.microsoft.com/detail/9NC624PBFGB7

The demo is janky in various ways (requires headphones, runs as a console app, etc), but it's a sneak peek at what will soon be possible to run on a normal gaming PC just by putting together open source pieces. The models are improving rapidly, there are already several improved models I haven't yet incorporated.
You sound like you read a little too much 4chan.
> Unsure if our go-external plan made sense or not (does an internal hardware modem run its own UART or communicate over ISA to the board's serial port?).

Internal hardware modems had their own UART. A lot of them had DIP switches or jumpers where you'd set the IRQ and COM port. You needed to set them to a free IRQ/COM pair.

This will take you back in time: https://support.usr.com/support/5685/5685-files/spvc336.pdf
"Other countries" mention were Denmark. They are not especially different from Sweden on punishing crime.
Stackoverflow on this
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/15940280/how-to-get-utc-...
Yeah, quite good actually, especially if you quantize it on text close to what you are trying to output.

Llama 70B is a huge compromise at 2.65bpw... This does make the much "dumber." Yi 34B is much better, as you can quantize it at ~4bpw and still have a huge context.
Isn't Japan's population decreasing dramatically, so the demand for housing is not increasing like in USA? They also have a very strict immigration policy, opposite of USA.
So my installation was outdated. Still not fan of having two different ways to refer to the same thing.
> In the 1950s, at the height of McCarthyism, 13.4 percent of Americans reported that “felt less free to speak their mind than they used to.” In 1987, the figure had reached 20 percent. By 2019, 40 percent of Americans reported that they did not feel free to speak their minds. This isn’t a partisan issue, either. Gibson and Sutherland report that, “The percentage of Democrats who are worried about speaking their mind is just about identical to the percentage of Republicans who self-censor: 39 and 40 percent, respectively.”

That's a scary number. And it's probably not wrong.
I'm very curious to see this point addressed:

> According to the statement, the book value of cryptocurrency assets did not change between Oct 31, 2021 and Oct 31, 2022. This is questionable, to say it mild, given that there have been incoming cryptocurrency transactions publicly visible on the respective published blockchain addresses of The Matrix.org Foundation.

https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-spec/issues/571#issueco...
I see your point, but the thought experiment still claims that AI risk does not require consciousness, "malicious intent" or a "breakout" of the machine in some sense, no?

All of the PCM scenario - including the part you quoted - are described as a means to the ulterior goal (paperclips). Self-preservance just happens to become a logical part of if. The preconditions for an existential risks are not explained by the thought experiment, it just says that there's no need to assume "consious decisions" or consciousness for it, by providing a counterexample.

So you might disagree with this, but the PCM thought experiment does not assume pain, feelings etc in AI.

Of course this is only a thought experiment, and it assumes literal AGI.

I'm also not arguing that LLMs are AGI.

What I wanted to point out is already mentioned by many others: existential risk (or great harm) doesn't need a suprising "conscious decision", or consciousness.

I mean, machines can cause unpredictable harm already if not operated correctly, all without AI.
This is one of those things people want to be true but is not. Labor participation is down significantly in those ages <25. 63 -> 51 and 47 -> 30 for teenagers in 10 years. Wages are slightly up adjusted for inflation over that time.

https://www.bls.gov/emp/tables/civilian-labor-force-particip...
That's not what they do, in semver terms you get breaking changes in minor version bumps.

To be fair, as a result there's maybe more resistance to making any such change than there otherwise would be, but in nicher standard lib modules there are API/semantic changes from one version to another.

I'd prefer semver, like it sounds GP would, but failing that I'd prefer totally owning that the version is fairly meaningless, and doing something like 2023.x as pip does for example. At least then everyone knows they should check for anything like that. (Not to mention it carries the additional age/potentially out of date information.)
All this talk of talent, they just end up with a company full of people driven only by monetary pursuits. How could it ever have worked with the non profit mission
Eras only end when there's no one left to carry on their ideals.

I think Carter realized that after he left office. Why he dedicated time to the things he did.
> Did you even read the article? Here's what the main part of the article says (translated to English).

I read every word. It appears you failed to comprehend the article’s declarative nature and the complete lack of citing any scientific studies whatsoever. It is a direct line handwave from D3 to hypercalcemia that assumes since D3 is an agent in calcium uptake it must be the culprit (smoking gun fallacy) and completely lacks any critical thought about other factors that could block calcium uptake into the bones, for example all the sugar added to baby formula. It is also interesting they are targeting the 10,000 IU figure which is probably too much for an infant but is widely viewed by many practitioners to be the recommended adult dose.

I take it you’re one of those that does not trust Science.
> the 'useful' mutations win.

Thats testing.
What does democracy have to do with it? Murders happen under all political structures?

But to answer your question? Indonesia?
What are the chances this gets packaged into something a little more streamlined to use? I have a lot of ebooks I'd love to generate audio versions of.
very good explanation! thank you (i've studied DSP and built things out of wires, I didn't need to look any of it up... but great explanation)

if there is information in the signal that is inaudible (tiny freq modulation), that information can be removed and greater compression will be achieved without loss of sound quality. So, perhaps mp3 doesn't do that, and perhaps it doesn't occur with enough frequency (hahaha) to make it worthwhile, but still, preservation is not guaranteed.

but TIL what you are talking about, useful, thanks
Yes, we really do not need this on HN.
Given that nothing criminal happened, canning Sam with no chance for discussion was just overkill.

It's probably more of an intellectual / philosophical position, given that they just did not think through the real impact on the business (and thus the mission itself)

I'm inclined to assume that something stupid was done. It happens. They should resolve it, fix the rules for how the board can behave, and move on.

Despite the bungling, Ilya is probably still a good voice to have on the board. His key responsibility (super-alignment), is a key part of OpenAI's mission.
I agree. As long as Sam has total control over the board it's fine if Iiya doesn't approve of everything Sam does. Not worth losing a top AI researcher over this.
I heart aches for President Carter. Such true love is a thing of dreams. I can't imagine his sorrow in such a moment.
I don't think so, as it's not about where you come from but about what values you hold.
It feels like the tables are turning and the tactics that the west used to destabilize developing countries will now be used against it. Also, the west might end up saddled with illegitimate debts to consolidate the mass enslavement under a corrupt elite class just like it was in Africa. I won't be surprised if we start to see western dictators come to power (if it hasn't already happened). We should expect our dictators to be cunning and use old beliefs to their advantage so that people don't recognise them as dictators.