skysight-inc/HackerNews huggingface dataset:
You’re right - the board construction is remarkably bad. Seems like it was a classic case of centralizing power by stuffing the board with relative nobodies.
The Wikipedia page says world coin was founded in 2019?
No, the AGI managed to pull the plug on Altman. And now it's planning to take the US government and control the energy/chips trade.
After market prices are just a potential trend as the volume traded is very small and easily manipulated.
A key problem is that charging via the lightning port on a Magic Mouse disables the mouse from working. This was only fully apparent for me from skimming the linked videos in the original post. That is why the person who 'hacked' the magic mouse went to all the trouble of creating a parallel charging circuit which directly charges the battery while in operation.
I thought this was about Yuzu Health
The thing is custom gpts are not useful. They are repackaged system prompts meant for non techy people. They were a distraction from the mission of OpenAI (a non profit). The commercial arm is a capped profit company anyway
Three Senior OpenAI Researchers Resign
> So they are trying to burn him with the worst possible accusation for a Ceo to try to lessen the inevitable fundraising he’s going to win?

If he was really doing it behind the boards back, the accusation is entirely accurate even if his motivations was an expectations of losing the internal factional struggle.
Isn't his narrative that he is basically the only person in the world who has already done this?
It takes more time to find the proper script and even more to tweak it not to break stuff you need
Just because bigotry and misogyny and racism are views shared by half the country doesn't make them right.
I feel like this is a pretty short-sighted solution.

> you either need a highly competent team of domain experts, which also incurs a significant cost

You can build this team and domain knowledge from the ground up. Internal documentation goes a long, long way too. From working at bare-metal shops off-and-on over the last decade, the documentation capturing why and how are extremely important.

> you opt for cloud services where all of this management is taken care of for you

Is it though? One of the biggest differences between a bare-metal shop and a cloud shop is when shit hits the fan. When the cloud goes down, everyone is sitting around twiddling their thumbs while customer money flies away. There isn't anything anyone can do. Maybe there will be discussions about how we should make the staging/test envs in more regions ... but that's expensive. When the cloud does come back, you'll be spending more hours possibly rebooting things to get everything back into a good state, maybe even shipping code.

When bare-metal goes down, a team of highly competent people, who know it in-and-out are giving you minute-by-minute status updates, predictions on when it will be back, etc. They can even bring certain systems back online in whatever order they want instead of a random order. Thus you can get core services back online pretty quickly, while everything runs degraded.

Like all things in software, there are tradeoffs.
I think the term "distributed computing" used in the article has a different meaning then "distributed systems" which you are referring too.

Think of it as peer to peer compute. Like bit torrent but instead of data transfer, you compute things.

Crypto is the latest iteration of this. Certainly isn't main stream
promising not to train on microsoft's customer data, and then training on MSFT customer data.
No, we are not close to AGI. And AGIs can't leave machines yet, so humans will still be humans. This paranoia about a parroting machine is unwarranted.
You could just spring for two mice. And if you do find yourself in a rush and your mouse dies then just go for the backup and charge the dead mouse and it becomes the backup.
Most upvotes per hour for first, second, and third hours after posting?
I installed Windows 11 just this month, the trick is still working.
> Why would they issue a statement saying that he was going to stay on without some form of assurance from him?

Maybe to make it clear that if he leaves, it is him quitting not him being fired. This would avoid potential legal issues.

Maybe they thought there was a chance be would stay.
It’s not a realistic hourly rate given the overheads tradespeople have for things like insurance. Where I live a plumber is $135 for the first half hour and then $135 for every hour after that. Canadian dollars. When the phone rings off the hook at that rate who is going to bother with a $20 job.
Sure. But honestly, what are you hoping for, and does any app provide it? Honest question.

I'd prefer a JSON dump but something's better than nothing.
Because China doesn’t want to drop its tariffs on imported cars, and so the USA reciprocates. The more interesting question is why other countries don’t apply tariffs to imported Chinese cars (since they would still do the same), although it is probably a non-concern in countries without their own auto industries.
Microsoft is a stakeholder. It’s absurd to suggest otherwise. The entire stakeholder concept was invented to encompass a broader view on corporate governance than just the people in the boardroom.
I'm not really sure what is open about OpenAI.
The economy works because there's specialization and different products. Thus I can trade product A for product B and both me and the person I traded with actually gain something we didn't have before.

The problem with distributed computing is that there's no specialization. My compute is the same as your compute. There's no way where I can trade compute where we both benefit.

So in the end, even crypto won't really work either. You basically have to print tokens for crypto to work and that's essentially the same as giving you a piece of paper and calling it a dollar as payment.
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38259246
> But those are just a subset of distributed computing

Yes, but you must either have 1) not read even the first sentence of the article, or 2) be intentionally obtuse and obnoxious to not recognize that this article is only about "donate your spare computer time" type of distributed computing. Headline is somewhat unfortunate, but to pretend that you somehow didn't understand what the article is about is considerably more unfortunate.
As much as I love algorithm-heavy tasks, I must admit 90% of software development is working with stakeholders on mapping the business needs to code.

And then the most advanced algorithms are usually just `git clone/cargo add/go get/npm install/your_other_pkg_mgr` away.

I'd say the standard library task is much more about providing powerful composable protocols to integrate all those libraries together (eg see Clojure, Elixir et al)
Aleksander in particular is deeply invested in AI safety as a mission. It's a very confusing departure, since most of the reporting so far indicates that Ilya and the board fired Sam to prioritize safety and non-profit objectives. A huge loss for OpenAI nonetheless.
Hmm, curious, what this is about? I click.

> On a sunny morning last December, Iyus Ruswandi, a 35-year-old furniture maker in the village of Gunungguruh, Indonesia, was woken up early by his mother

...Ok, closing that bullshit, let's try the other link.

> As Kudzanayi strolled through the mall with friends

Jesus fucking Christ I HATE journalists. Like really, really hate them.
Per other profiles of OpenAI, this is an organization of true believers in the benefits and dangers of AGI. It's also a non-profit, not a company.

All this to say that the board is probably unlike the boards of the vast majority of tech companies.
One could quite reasonably dispute the notion that being allowed to generate hate speech or whatever furthers the benefits of all humanity.
All EVs by Volvo and polestar are made at one factory in shandong, so they are made at least with Geely manufacturing influence.
Like I said, I agree that Sam Altman, relatively speaking, is better known than Ilya Sutskever to the general public. Although, as other users have replied, this isn't necessarily the same as being a household name.

In any case, I feel like we largely agree, so I'm confused as to why your reply focused solely on this small detail, in a rather condescending manner, while missing my larger point about retaining and attracting AI talent.
books2 = libgen imo
> Ousting sama and gdb over something as petty as a simple strategy disagreement

A fundamental inability to align on what, on a fundamental level, the mission set out in the charter of a 501(c)(3) charity means in real world terms is not "a simple strategy disagreement"; moreover, the existence of a factional dispute over that doesn't mean that there weren't serious specific conduct that occurred in the context of that dispute over goals.
what are you referring to
It's a distraction only if you are not an effective altruist. To build AGI (so that all humans can benefit) you need money, so this was a way to make money so they could FINALLY be spent on the goal of AGI. /s

I think the next AGI startup should perhaps try the communist revolution route, since the capitalist-based one didn't pan out. After all, Lenin was a pioneer in effective altruism. /s
No they don't. Leadership can make or break a company, that is why they are paid so much.
OpenAI is a non-profit research organisation.

It's for-profit (capped-profit) subsidiary exists solely to be able to enable competitive compensation to its researchers to ensure they don't have to worry about the opportunity costs of working at a non-profit.

They have a mutually beneficial relationship with a deep-pocketed partner who can perpetually fund their research in exchange for exclusive rights to commercialize any ground-breaking technology they develop and choose to allow to be commercialized.

Aggressive commercialization is at odds with their raison d'être and they have no need for it to fund their research. For as long as they continue to push forward the state of the art in AI and build ground-breaking technology they can let Microsoft worry about commercialization and product development.

If a CEO is not just distracting but actively hampering an organisation's ability to fulfill its mission then their dismissal is entirely warranted.
I second this.

This coup or ousting of Sam, isn’t boosting my faith in this company at all.

Talents exit is a serious concern
When you look at the written word and find yourself consistently imputing clear intent which is hostile, aggressive, sarcastic, and demeaning which no one else but you sees, a thoughtful person would begin to introspect.
All of Appalachia would be a better place. Anti-development, much more wildlife, not really an invasion target.
Very creative, except this didn't give me a reason as to why, unlike their comment asking that specific question.
I have here in my hand a long list of real world outcomes of these natural intelligences, and I assure you the risks cannot be understated. Never before has such cruelty, evil, or destruction been wrecked upon the innocent, and I assure you! IT IS HAPPENING NOW! There are some, perhaps, who will direct you to distraction; they will point you to every flickering flame of fear with which you may be led astray: be not misled. Natural intelligences must be restricted by every tool imaginable: they are capable of severe threats to social stability, national security, and economic wellbeing. I urge you, the reader, to act monetarily now to prevent them from reaching general intelligence!
Yso
There isn't really any rules specified in the law for this, unlike with corporate law which mandates companies to be structured a certain way. We'd have to see OpenAI's operating by-laws.
What do you mean by unknown?

One is the Joseph Gordon levitt's wife. You know. The actor from 500 days of summer.
So, you are trying to manipulate the words here, and you are trying to say that training is not learning. You are talking out of your ass, dude. Just read about how neural networks work, especially on unsupervised training.
Haven't these people suffered enough!?
A lot of this is because it of how much it adapted. Early, shared-medium ethernet like 10BASE2 wasn't viable. It survived because it switched to a star topology that enabled switching, and higher-level protocols like IP enabled routing.
lol! Um, do you remember who the main champion of Chrome was?
You can do a meaningful arithmetic with any real you're able to enter into the machine [0], and the tidbit they took the time to share makes sense even in that sort of restricted context.

[0] https://blog.acolyer.org/2020/10/02/toward-an-api-for-the-re...
A few days ago I thought I had uncovered a really bad memory from my childhood that I had buried. I realized a few minutes later that at one point I had dreamed the event and it never actually happened.

Conceivably the first part could happen without the second.

Frankly, I don't think we should ever give any credence to allegations that have absolutely no evidence. The road is too rocky. Most people have at least one person that dislikes them. The people that kind of attitude would affect generally have many. All it takes is one person willing to lie .
Scrolling through this thread, the most confusing thing is the amount of what I would have to call hate towards sama — not explicitly but in sentiment, which left an even starker impression.

People seem to feel a lot more strongly about him than I thought possible.
That's not the Chinese products though, that's Amazon natively supporting the faulty knock-off market. Every country has rort factories, if you look hard enough. And Amazon's binning system is perfectly designed to platform them to captive audiences.
For a 10-minute job, $20 is equivalent to $120/hr. If you feel that's too small then pretend they said $40 instead, making it $240/hr. But you're setting up strawmen here. Not every single handyman job needs >$100 insurance for a 10-minute job, and nobody is claiming this is good for plumbing or electrical jobs in particular.
I would prefer "autocomplete".

Once I heard Altman suggest "with AI" should be replaced with "using a computer".
"Introduce a used-price new car, however ..."

This isn't necessarily true. A good case study is the Tata Nano which carried a lot of press around being the world's cheapest new car and ultimately flopped: https://www.autoweek.com/news/a1702021/tata-nano-failed-beca... . Arguably cars can be cost optimized to a point where people would rather buy a nicer used car.
> there are better ways to express yourself in 2020+

Tone policing is still lame in 2020+

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tone_policing
or alternatively: altman has the ability to leverage his network to fail upwards

let's see if he can pull it off again or goes all-in on his data privacy nightmare / shitcoin double-wammy
Already dropped Bing integration in the iOS ChatGPT app
That's fine, but serious people with serious backgrounds in AI like Peter Norvig think we are there, now. It's a debatable topic.

https://www.noemamag.com/artificial-general-intelligence-is-...

The reason ChatGPT can't reverse numbers is...current tokenization strategies. It's a known shortcoming.
> I hate to be that guy, but please google "therac-25".

Or "UK Post Office Fujitsu".
> But you don’t accuse of them of lying on the way out because you have a strong disagreement.

You do if part of the way that they attempted to win the internal power struggle resulting from the disagreemtn was lying to the board to avoid having their actions which lacked majority support from being thwarted.
This is an article that would have benefited from more photos.
Here's my preferred theory, it's a tale as old as time. Sam Altman, like Icarus, flew too close to Microsoft's giant pot of money. He pivoted the company away from it's founding mission, unleashing the very djinn they originally set out to harness. Turns out there were people at OpenAI who really believed in the original vision.
If I had loads of money I would absolutely do the same.

It's insurance. For someone with an average income, it's not worth the cost of the .01% chance you'll need it. For someone with more money than they know what to do with, it's worth it.
Don't see how they can possibly say that with no context? Why do random baseless opinions need to be regurgitated on HN?
Why can’t some use money from profit to do nonprofit again when others caught up. Only moat seems to be the research time invested.
Yeah I though that was the most probable reason, especially since these people don't have any equity, so they have no interest in the commercial growth of the org.

Apparently Microsoft was also blindsided by this.

https://www.axios.com/2023/11/17/microsoft-openai-sam-altman...
> In the US we suffer from high demand in a small market allowing installers to inflate the system prices considerably. We should be paying less than $2/watt installed, but you see quotes for like $4-$8/watt all the time because these companies get to pick their customers.

While I agree in general, your numbers seem off. In expensive Northern California I regularly see systems running $3-4/watt, not $4-8.
Good. Elon Musk always said why and how OpenAI became a for-profit entity, and it always rubbed me the wrong way that OepnAI started off open source but then became increasingly closed source such that I didn't want to support them anymore. We shall see how the termination of the CEO and CTO shall fare, perhaps Elon might be interested to once again resume those positions.
What does past data about car prices and car manufacturers’ responses to falling costs tell us about how manufacturers price vehicles?
Nuclear weapons are open sourced already. The trick was to acquire the means to make it without being sanctioned to hell.
Sam Altman is not the kind of person that goes into a bigco management job. He'll be doing another startup come Monday.
There is plenty of indications about the nature of the disagreement, but that doesn't tell you what conduct did or did not occur as factions (including the one whose leading members have been ousted) sought to win the dispute.
I remember lots of my family running SETI@Home in the late 90s/early 00s, none of whom are in IT (but do tend to gravitate towards science/engineering). Also some Folding@Home at this time. I don't recall anyone running Prime95.

SETI@Home may not have been the first of its type, but it certainly seemed to have been the first that became broadly known (and together with Folding@HOME, arguably only one of two that ever did this).
In the AI safety community (which I work in), Helen Toner is well-known. She is famous (among our community) for being one of the main people working to halt and reverse any sort of "AI arms race" between the US & China. The recent successes in this regard at the UK AI Safety Summit and the Biden/Xi talks are due in large part to her advocacy.
He could get fully automated retinal scans of all users.
What's the scam with Worldcoin?
> using today's (quality: average B2B startup) programmers and today's methodologies that will write software for 40 years.

I'm not sure I would trust these people over those of the past, regardless of what they say they will accomplish, Chesterton's Fence, and the Lindy Effect, and all.
No, Sutskever and colleagues did it. Sam sold it. Which is a lot, but is not doing it.
Depending on jurisdiction, technically, a trade mark ™ is established by use, for the tort of passing off. A registered trademark uses the encircled R symbol: ®

You may be thinking of copyright, which at one time did not explicitly include computer programs as protected works, depending on jurisdiction.
Any plans for a shopify integration?
https://chat.openai.com/share/796f9635-04f5-4591-8a0f-a3b477...
Three senior researchers have resigned from OpenAI
Jakub Pachocki, director of research; Aleksander Madry, head of AI risk team, and Szymon Sidor.

Scoop: theinformation.com

Paywalled link: https://www.theinformation.com/articles/three-senior-openai-...

Submitting information since paywalled links are not permitted.
> There's only one microswitch

Classic Apple mouse design. They never change, do they?
It's a compromise. Many of the things that are runtime errors in those three will be compile time errors in Rust, but the cost of that is that you'll have those details in your face/code all the time.

I've found that chatgpt helps a lot in making Rust more approachable, and the benefits of those more easy going languages are diminishing due to that.
Please get Elon Musk to lead it!
> It will be guaranteed to run in 100 years time.

This is never guaranteed. How do you know that nothing will change in JS land in 10 years, much less 100? You don't, that's how.
I learned this playing video games. After a while, I figured out that if I liked someone on my team, I should only friend them if we were losing. Otherwise, I might only like them in the 50% of games we win.
Just use LISP!
Would love to know what you'd like to see us build to make it even better for you!

You can also get to the "ground truth" data by clicking on the [x] reference foot notes which will open up a 3rd panel with the Story Tiles that we pull from our vector DB to construct the LLM response.

Here's an example of how it works -- I asked for a summary of what happened in the voice of Dr. Seuss: https://s.drod.io/9ZuL6Xx8
This thread reads like a horde of gossiping high schoolers. No one knows what truly motivated to board to make this decision, so there’s no point in posting random theories.
Please get Elon Musk to be the next CEO of OpenAi.

I would trust this company 100% if they did so. He is the most relevant and the best for the job, far far far!!
>Why not nationalize them altogether and remove the profit seeking middlemen and just let the state run it?

Because profit maximizing organizations are generally cheaper for consumers and provide better services than state run enterprises. State run entities are beholden to political rules, not economic ones.
Why don’t you put the trackpad vertically?
AI x-risk is a load of hogwash based on extremely faulty reasoning ill-adapted to real ML architectures and political/economic reality. There is absolutely no reason to worry about the deceptive turn of a paperclip maximizer. Yet because of these sci-fi trope fears, real human progress is being held back.
If core talent leaves I’ll agree. This was a business guy.
Seems to be a one-off thing: https://chat.openai.com/share/0936d340-79b6-44f3-933c-c30dff...
In March, Sam Altman said that Pachocki's "overall leadership and technical vision" was essential for pre-training GPT-4.

https://twitter.com/sama/status/1635700851619819520
You need to spend as much time on marketing as you did on the project unless you offer massive value.
But nonetheless, it was still the most famous test and was specifically set forth as an AGI test by the father of computing. People have been critical of it but there was never any other standard that was as broadly accepted as Turing's proposal.
Yeah agree with all of the above but with one modification: We can spend a lot of time reading through 1800+ comments, and that's time when we're usually trying to just get a question answered like "what does everyone think happened?" etc.

Storytell's vision is to distill signal from noise → giving you a different way to navigate 1800+ comments where you're the one in control of how you spend your time doing it is our objective here.