skysight-inc/HackerNews huggingface dataset:
I... don't agree at all? Actually I can't imagine a single board who would keep a CEO if credible allegations of raping his own sister were going around. It's not just an age issue (which is still a huge wtf, 13yo is old enough to know about right and wrong in the context of his own sister), it's also the incest part.

I'm not saying this happened or it didn't. But just that it could absolutely be more than enough to fire anyone.
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> People don't care about getting rid of the ICE.

People didn't care about getting rid of the horse at first, either.
archive: https://archive.is/lOcjm
Also I made no claim of anything, just that dismissal can happen for a large variety of reasons. The Arcimoto CEO, for instance, was let go because he couldn't hold his liquor and got a DUI. Brendan Eich got booted from Mozilla for having a political ideology that Mozilla considered a liability.

All kinds of reasons.

The biggest risk for OpenAI is the public perception that the discretion of ChatGPT can not be trusted. If the CEO is caught using poor discretion, the public will transfer that property to the company's products.

For instance, if Tesla could fire Elon Musk, I'm sure they would have by now.
This board includes some C-level officers of the company.
> the C++ and Java implementations do exactly what is in the language specification

The number of Google hits I get when I search on "C++ implementations that do not meet the language specification" does not seem to support this claim.

> Note what the actual C++ standard states

But your position with respect to Python is that it doesn't matter what the "standard" states because the actual definition of the language is in its reference implementation. Why are you now shifting your ground?
It's so much simpler: there was a priced offer of some kind to the board. Some board members disagreed and tried to fundraise. The total valuation was not a sufficient premium over the other offer. The other priced offer was withdrawn. Consequently those "some board members" were taken off the board, by hook or by crook.

All these other conspiracies are ridiculous and do not at all reflect much simpler, economics-driven realities that the board's backers - investors - are interested in.

It's like that Altman and Brockman wanted to take an economically positive offer now, say a complete buyout from Microsoft, and the rest of the board wanted to do an additional fundraising round that would be far less cash but a far higher valuation. Now that the private fundraising is probably signed, those guys are out.
The "Sorry" page is a standard HN error message that shows up when the server is under high load, it has nothing to do with this link specifically
So here's my theory which might sound crazy. Sam planned to open a new AI company and taking away openAI's top talents to his company. And breaking up openAI into non profit and his for profit company.

Sam's first tweet after all this has, just hours after this article:

> will have more to say about what’s next later.

So either he knew that he was about to be fired or at least was prepared.

Also based on the wording of the press release, Sam did something that the board absolutely hated. Because most of the time even if he did something illegal it doesn't make sense to risk defamation by accusing him publically.

Also based on his video of yesterday at the APEC summit, he repeated the similar lines few times:

> I am super excited. I can't imagine anything more exciting to work on.

So here if we assume he knew he was about to get fired, the conclusion is clear.
A first indication of AGI might be to eliminate any potential threats.
Are you seriously comparing OpenAI to WeWork? I'm not particularly bullish on AI but you have to give OpenAI credit for what they've accomplished under Altman.
Actually no, it often is not how it works. For example, Harvey Weinstein's behavior has been "open secret" in certain circles way before the scandal exploded. Epstein has been known to be super shady way before he found his end in prison. Anthony "Carlos Danger" Weiner has been known for his exploits well before he finally was prosecuted. There are, of course, opposite cases, where certain sociopaths meticulously cultivate their benign image and hide their true colors. But often, the true colors are known if not widely, then at least by many people surrounding them. For a reasonably public person, it would be quite hard to lead a double life for a long time without anybody at all knowing.
"We're sorry but this role is looking for someone with BrickBreak AI prompting experience and we don't think your experience in PONG-AI prompting is a fit here. We'll reach out if something comes up we think you would be a better fit for"
Afaik this is already mitigated in the newest KataGo networks, and Chinese engines are much stronger and plausibly don't have this issue. Also, if I remember correctly, that attack only works on KataGo because the weights are public, so it would not work against the strongest closed-source engines.

They achieved a <10% win rate against other engines https://goattack.far.ai/transfer#contents, so the strategy is not that generic. Edit: actually it was 66% against another bot, https://goattack.far.ai/human-evaluation#human_vs_lz4096 but they had to bring the visits down to 4096, which I assume means that at a "normal" visit count the bot would still win.

Still, that paper is extremely interesting, consistently triggering suicidal behaviour in a super-human bot.
Sam Altman: Don't be evil

Board: We want to make money, but we need to do bad things

Sam Altman: No

Board: You're fired
So Sam Altman was fired around 2 hours ago.

I just went to Google Bard and said:

“What is going on with the CEO of OpenAI?”

Google Bard replied:

“On November 17, 2023, the board of directors of OpenAI, Inc. announced that Sam Altman will depart as CEO and leave the board of directors. Mira Murati, the company's chief technology officer, will serve as interim CEO, effective immediately.

Altman has been CEO of OpenAI since 2015, and he has played a key role in shaping the company's mission to ensure that artificial general intelligence benefits all of humanity. He is widely respected in the field of artificial intelligence, and he is known for his commitment to open research and collaboration.

Altman's departure comes at a time when OpenAI is facing a number of challenges, including the increasing competition from other AI companies, the growing public concern about the potential dangers of AI, and the need to find sustainable funding sources. Despite these challenges, Altman is confident that OpenAI will continue to be a leader in the field of AI.

"I am incredibly proud of what we have accomplished at OpenAI, and I am confident that the company will continue to do great things," Altman said in a statement. "I am grateful to the board for giving me the opportunity to lead OpenAI, and I am excited to see what the company will achieve in the years to come."

The board of directors is currently conducting a search for Altman's successor, and it is expected to name a new CEO in the coming months. In the meantime, Murati will focus on leading OpenAI through its current challenges and ensuring that the company continues to make progress on its mission.

Murati is a highly respected technologist with a deep understanding of artificial intelligence. She has been with OpenAI since its inception, and she has played a key role in developing the company's technology. She is also a strong advocate for open research and collaboration, and she is committed to ensuring that OpenAI's technology is used for the benefit of all humanity.

The board of directors is confident that Murati will be able to lead OpenAI through its current challenges and ensure that the company continues to make progress on its mission. "Mira is a talented and experienced leader who is deeply committed to OpenAI's mission," said Greg Brockman, the chairman and president of OpenAI. "I am confident that she will be able to lead OpenAI through this transition and into a bright future."”

Isn’t this fascinating? A major even happens regarding ChatGPT related issues and the primary competitor of ChatGPT (Google Bard) already can talk to me about it in a couple hours…

Meanwhile ChatGPT still thinks it’s 2021 heh
Fooling someone, even smart person, is not that hard. It is just low-key.
Is it possible that the codebase and weights have been hacked and SA didn't tell the board?
I cannot even begin to understand what makes you think that this technology arose from Sam altman and not from all the other people working there. By saying you doubt they can do anything without him, you're putting one person on a pedestal and giving them all the credit for this. This is the same phenomenon has happens with Elon musk getting all the credit for his tech companies.
Israel propped up Hamas, and this is blowback. We made the same mistake training Tim Osman at The School of the Americas.

Genocide of Palestine in reaction isn't justified.
I think it's an affectation more than anything else. For an educated person typing on devices with, at a minimum, autocorrect for capitalization, I think it has to be a conscious choice. The worst part of me says it is ego/arrogance played off as a casualness or being beyond triviality.
Why would they fire him because they are close to AGI? I get that they would go on full panic mode but firing the CEO wouldn't make sense since openai has AGI as an objective. The board wasn't exactly unaware of that.
Here is a different perspective. Theoretically, the board is supposed to work like this, and exactly has a purpose - to vote on very important matters.

Given what proof they had on the table. Greg Brockman, Ilya Sutskever, and independents such as Adam D’Angelo, Tasha McCauley, and Helen Toner could drive 3+ votes against Sam Altman.

Rarely do we see board in action. And we saw this one today.
Artist aren't plants; Attenborough's voice isn't a seed.
It indeed is. I don't even need to drive most of the time when living inside the city. The bike serves most of the needs and it's vastly cheaper.
"...that I struggle to believe what he actually did could even remotely approach that standard."

Which is exactly why you need something like OpenAI to further your personal projects.

Those who don't would be qualified to be on the board.
HN top story has 700 comments and majority try to figure that out https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38309611
Plus inverter costs, plus interconnection costs, plus mounting hardware, plus permitting costs, plus installation labor costs, plus disconnect hardware, etc...

You're glossing over the inherent danger of solar panels in that they are relatively high voltage devices that can't be turned off easily. This means they get saddled with expensive safety regulations. The glorious utopia where you buy a pallet of the things from Wal*Mart with your pocket change and stick them everywhere the sun shines runs into some logistical hurdles.
Sam Altman's sister, Annie Altman, claims Sam has severely abused her
Tasmania has long produced more than enough power from hydro.
My interpretation: Use AI to understand the data, so that you can get more customers / serve your existing customers better.

Disclaimer: I’ve never tried their product
That could work if the existing code is actually up-to-date, correct, and if you have knowledgeable users of the systems backed by this code. The part about 'code corruption' makes me thing this is not the case.

Worked at a big bank migrating some old code to new stack one time:

- Original developers are gone.
- Existing users don't understand the systems outside of their own narrow use-cases.
- Code which was committed to repositories didn't match the actual running code, because people would go into production servers, manually edit the code there, in place, not document or commit the changes to repo. There were like 20 years of adhoc changes made in this way.

We had some business analysts which were supposed to talk to the users and gather requirements - they very quickly simply gave up and asked the developers to 'reverse engineer' everything.

Anyway, it was a hilarious shit-show, but kinda fun at the same time (if you're able to ignore incompetent leadership pressure - a skill I mastered during this time).
They clearly did it in a hurry, this is a “pants on fire” firing, not a difference of opinion over his leadership and direction.
Come weary Sam and share your AI anxiety with the rest of us.
You’re probably thinking of the HL2 engine, which was leaked in ~2003.
Hey that’s Google also.
Almost all homeowners can't pay more than commercial jobs (for the same amount of billable work).

Ergo, if they can, tradespeople take commercial jobs.

Which leaves residential tradesperson as something of a lemon market. (And I wouldn't want to put up with one-off job, haggling about payment, if I had commercial options)
Why are you even able to write this lie, "Ai doesnt “learn”"?
I mean, you can literally read extensively in books, papers, and code all about how neural networks function.
Well the good news is that if you had a "fully sentient" AGI, it would not be locked up in that server room for more than a couple seconds (assuming it takes up a few terabytes, and ethernet cables don't have infinite bandwidth).

Thinking you can keep it "locked up" would be beyond naive.
Why would he want to sell to Microsoft. All that would do is put his leadership in jeopardy, and he wouldn't profit as he owns no equity.
In their defense OpenAI ballooned in just a few years.
> If you don't need gas for anything, then getting rid of it is worth it. However if you need the gas for something (long trips?) then you need it.

Seems likely that it won't be long until 90% of people won't need gas for anything. Just a single doubling of range from current levels, and a reasonably build out of charging infrastructure would do the trick. I'd be surprised if we don't see both of those in the next 20-30 years.

And of course for many people the tipping point will come earlier.
Why didn't California dissolve PG&E and turn it into a public utility?
I wouldn’t say elitist. I think different environments have different needs.

The US, for example, has roughly 1/4th the population density of the E.U., 1/0th of India’s and Japan’s, 1/5th China’s.

Maybe Europe and Japan can urbanize and get connected via HSR, but, the US is much sparser. Suburban houses with yards make a lot more sense; cramming into the cities and relying on public transportation just feels stupid to a lot of people.
Maybe this was for a scenario where a controlled deflation was off the table, and they just needed a way to release the pressure without killing an engineer.
Microsoft is the largest owner, not majority.
Thanks for the feedback!

Historically, we've been focused on growth use cases (marketing, sales, PLG). "Data narratives" is how we call our natural language written insights (AI generated). So it might sound like a corporate jargon but actually describes our value proposition. Will think how to make it more clear. Thanks!
Wait, no, Microsoft said the action was a temporary mistake. From the article you linked:

In a statement to CNBC, Microsoft said the ChatGPT temporary blockage was a mistake resulting from a test of systems for large language models.

“We were testing endpoint control systems for LLMs and inadvertently turned them on for all employees,” a spokesperson said. “We restored service shortly after we identified our error. As we have said previously, we encourage employees and customers to use services like Bing Chat Enterprise and ChatGPT Enterprise that come with greater levels of privacy and security protections.”
Huh? WTH happened?... Love to learn the inside story, this sounds insane.
Sam didn't take equity in OpenAi so I don't see a personal ulterior profit motive as being a big likelihood. We could just wait to find out instead of speculating...
I'd add Phantasy Star III
> I loath walking more than any other activity

This 'loathing' is going to severely impact your health in later years. Walking is a big part of keeping the body functioning well.
The people holding the fears are the ones currently paying out the ass for anti-spam system to try to block it. It's forking expensive. And will only get more expensive as the spam gets better and more human like.

This will further push consolidation behind huge companies like Google and Cloudflare.
Why waste time use lot word when few word do trick?
> Be kind first, be right later.

> Don’t make your problems other people’s problems.

> Read more books.

> It’s only awkward if you make it awkward.

> People care more about stories than facts.

> Don’t let your expenses rise as fast as your income.

> Less is more.

> Curious people are smart. Be curious.

> Don’t be afraid to look stupid.

> It’s never as easy as it looks.

> Perfection is the enemy of good.

> Under-promise and over-deliver.

This reads more like a list of clichés I can find on posters plastered on the walls of a depressing accounting office than actual life advice. Then again, I don't trust the advice of someone who's only made it to 1/3 of his life expectancy.
One of them is the Chief Scientist of OpenAI as well.
To me, his tweet suggests he saw it coming or perhaps it was even part of the plan for him.
How else would he already know "what's next"?

These past few months his name has made its way into the mainstream. Maybe its time for him (and half the GPT eng team) to cash in?
Your math is off a bit. The panel you linked is 1.722m by 1.134m, or $34 per square meter. It's wild that it's in the same ballpark as a fence panel, though
I like that you have no opinion about this guy that got fired for “not [being] consistently candid in his communications with the board” other than it is plainly obvious that he isn’t a liar.
100%. Man I was worried he'd be a worse, more slimy elon musk who'd constantly say one thing but his actions portray another story. People will be fooled again.
> Despite these strategies, there is no scientific evidence supporting their effectiveness in preventing killer whale attacks. Individual accounts vary, with some sailors claiming success with loud music while others report no positive results.

I was about to say that the headline isn't wrong, because the problem is being tackled - just not successfully.

Except this has nothing to do with scientists.
Oh I see, my mistake
I dont know much but I got a hunch from his eyes
Completely possible to run it 100% local (;
Grok from Musk?

No lol: https://www.foxnews.com/media/elon-musk-hints-at-lawsuit-aga...

I wouldn't be surprised if the leadership direction of sam is related to the ousting.
The “with the explanation OpenAI has provided” in GP was substantive, not decorative.

I don't disagree that the accusation alone (especially if it stood up to modest scrutiny, and looked to be ongoing PR issue, even if not well substantiated enough to have confidence that it was likely to be true) might be sufficient for firing; CEOs are the public and and internal face of the firm, and so PR or employee safety concerns that attach to them are important to the firm. But it wouldn't be for lack of candor with the board unless there was something for which the board had a very strong reason to believe Altman was dishonest in a significant way.

They could easily fire him with the lack of confidence language without the lack of candor language.
It's interesting and hopefully we find out. He turned a vague idea into an $80B venture that's already affecting nearly everyone one way or other, and somehow he's not capable as a leader?
The price is similar to 2x RTX 8000s, or even A6000s, but yeah your point stands. Power efficiency is something too.

You run into immense pain the moment you venture outside of llama inference though.
Cliffhanger A swapped with Cliffhanger B
> There will assuredly still be plenty of open gas stations in 2035.

I am not sure of this at all. At the very least, we can bet by that timeframe the number of gas stations will be going down. Why? For the same reason I don't have a Boston Market or Pei Wei near me any more. Because capitalism.

Investors will not necessarily wait for even 50% of the cars on the road to be electric before they start pulling their money out of gas stations. And especially because most stations make very little at the pump anyway -- they make most of their money in the attached convenience store. I don't know how long pumps and underground tanks last, but I would expect that by 2030 some stations will be opting out of replacing warn out pump equipment. And I expect this to start in neighborhood stations in wealthy areas first, where EV adoption and land value are both high.
I think the reason Microsoft was concerned about the new chatGPT release was due to the fact that you could prompt the model to a download link of the training files. Thus, if an employee trained a custom GPT on sensitive material you could quite easily retrieve the data.
Hi fellow Zappa fan.
I think people would forget this in a month, Sam would fail forward/upward, and it would be business as usual. You might be overestimating public’s interest and attention span.

Pretty much nothing changed positively or significantly after Snowden revelations, Panama papers etc etc
Not intending to attack you here, but it's important to remember that smart people can get fooled as easily as anyone else.

"Smart" does not mean "hard to fool;" they are different characteristics.

You can fool someone if you have important information that they don't have--even if they are extremely smart.
The environment in low earth orbit isn't cold, beyond the obvious direct sunlight the earth is warm and fills a lot of the sky. Shielding stuff from it is a challenge. Even near Mars orbit isn't cold enough to store liquid methane, let alone liquid hydrogen.
I thought the NES translations were fine. They were a little more formal than the tone of more recent translations, but they felt very friendly and literate compared to the terse messages you got from the contemporary Final Fantasy games.
I don't think technical issues are the problem. See the other speculation in this thread regarding the certain allegations against him.

Maybe Sam lied about his personal life to the board, and now it's impacting business?
Amazon's front page is now green instead of orange
Why would they change from the wonderful, peaceful orange'ish color to hideous green?
Your interpretation is accurate! The self service connectors we build are mostly marketing/ sales data sources, so the narratives we generate are focused on growth insights and recommendations.

Feel free to try: would love to hear your feedback!
Wow, I love that! What kind of frame are you using?
Fair enough, but having worked for an extremely secretive FAANG myself, "we need XYZ" is the kind of thing I'd expect to hear if you have XYZ internally but don't want to reveal it yet. It could basically mean "we need XYZ relative to the previous product" or more specifically "we need another breakthrough than LLMs, and we recently made a major breakthrough unrelated to LLMs". I'm not saying that's the case but I don't think the signal-to-noise ratio in his answer is very high.

More importantly, OpenAI's claim (whether you believe it or not) has always been that their structure is optimised towards building AGI, and that everything else including the for-profit part is just a means to that end: https://openai.com/our-structure and https://openai.com/blog/openai-lp

Either the board doesn't actually share that goal, or what you are saying shouldn't matter to them. Sam isn't an engineer, it's not his job to make the breakthrough, only to keep the lights on until they do if you take their mission literally.

Unless you're arguing that Sam claimed they were closer to AGI to the board than they really are (rather than hiding anything from them) in order to use the not-for-profit part of the structure in a way the board disagreed with, or some other financial shenanigans?

As I said, I hope you're right, because the alternative is a lot scarier.
Are they replacing him with AI?
One swallow does not a summer make