skysight-inc/HackerNews huggingface dataset:
the cult of personality is typically inconsistent with large scale progress.

anyone telling me this guy's the only one who can achieve the nonprofits mission seems to be high on occult business logic
No. The archive.is folks intentionally poison dns results for certain resolvers. They have a vendetta against cloudflare for not giving location data to them for dns lookups.

https://jarv.is/notes/cloudflare-dns-archive-is-blocked/
this business was a complicated nonprofit.
For a “standard” corp, or a non-profit with influential/major donors. The board members act as representatives of those stakeholders.

For a normal board, this stakeholder check would have been a simple check with internal leadership on positioning.
The mouse sells for $79, it is a rather expensive mouse, and the Macs that come bundled with that mouse are really expensive computers.

Also that's Apple we are talking about, they are huge and can use manufacturing processes no one else can afford to use. And if it can improve their design even a tiny bit, they do. For example, when designing injection molded plastic parts, most designers feature what is called a draft angle, which mean the walls are not straight and parallel but at an angle, this is to help the part come out of the mold easily. Not Apple. Apple want its walls straight because they think it looks better, and they do what it takes to do it, even if it is much harder and expensive.

So, no, I don't believe Apple will compromise its design for technical details like swapping tooling and retraining staff, especially considering that the product has been out in its current form for more than a decade. They have more than enough resources to do exactly the mouse they want.

I also don't believe the "it comes for free with an iMac so no one cares" argument. Again, Apple attention to details is legendary and people pay good money for that, and it is not like they are bundling a cheap plastic mouse like most manufacturers, it is one of the most premium looking mouse on the market, with unique features.

All that to say that it has to be a deliberate choice, not a quirk of the manufacturing process.
> When listening to interviews with Sam I was always surprised by how little useful information I am able to get out of listening to him

To be fair, isn’t that kind of the bar for CEOs? Their job is to hire and fire senior people, ensure they have a mountain of cash, and put out fires.

It’s not an operational position and so I wouldn’t expect a CEO to have deep operational knowledge.

Maybe I’m misunderstanding the division of labor though?
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They may have had the votes, but they didn't have the finesse and they may have forgotten who their ultimate paymasters are, regardless of the non-profit. Note that another 10 people or so have just as much power as the board (the key people behind all of the AI work) and three of those had already walked. That's a very powerful signal that they mis-handled this.
Costs have inflated, wages have not.
the old saying “first time for everything” holds here, I think.

It was a mandate. 2/3 the board voted in favor of relieving Sam Altman of his obligation to the company. The question now is why and how that plays out. It is clearly what the board wanted
Agreed the article is more about probing the board’s weakness.

But the board seems to have a weak hand. It can decide to disappoint the for profit investors. But it doesn’t own Sam, or the vast majority of the workers, and maybe not much of the know how. And they can walk if the board disappoints them.

The board’s altruism might be great, but it lacks the legal tools to do what it wants, against organized labor backed by unlimited capital.
Rank and file perhaps aren't yet resigning en masse, but I would be extremely surprised if there won't be a bunch that jumps to the new ship solely because that puts them higher up the totem pole.

Now will that be another 3 or another 30, time will tell.
He is the face of AI, not just for OpenAI, but for the entire world

Stop making up nonsense please.
> Interestingly this is exactly what all financial advice tends to actually warn about rather than encourage, that previous performance does not indicate future performance.

It’s important to put those disclaimers in context though. The rules that mandated them came out before the era of index funds. Those disclaimers are specifically talking about fund managers. And it’s true that past performance at picking stocks does not indicate future performance of picking stocks. Out side of that context, past performance is almost always a strong indicator of future performance.
I've been looking into Apple TV 4K boxes as an alternative to Roku --- I'm sick of their ads baked into the UI --- and I've read in a couple places online that if you put the Photos app in first position of the top bar you'll get a slideshow of whatever photos are in there instead of promos for a particular app's shows.

Is that so?

It'd definitely put me across the line into switching. With Jellyfin now supported with the native Swiftfin app it'd have everything I need.
I guess that's because most "startups" aren't controlled by non-profits.
Make up your minds for Pete’s sake
Unless "proper corporate governance" is exactly what makes the company dangerous to society, in which case you will need to have some external people in charge. You might want to set things up as a non-profit, though you'll need some structure where the non-profit wholly owns the for-profit wing given the amount of money flowing around...

Oh wait, that's what OpenAI is.

(To be clear, I don't know enough to have an opinion as to whether the board members are blindingly stupid, or principled geniuses. I just bristled at the phrase "proper corporate governance". Look around and see where all of this proper corporate governance is leading us.)
Yeah the people running archive.today hate CloudFlare.
Ilya's going to have to leave right?
He makes it rain H100s.
Are you asking under what grounds are trade secrets enforced? In the U.S., that would be 18 U.S. Code Section 1832: Theft of Trade Secrets. The USC are passed by Congress so it's applicable in the entire nation. If you're asking what's the point, the idea is that it helps foster fair competition. Suppose a company founder has to dilute their ownership by taking on millions in investment to finally get a breakthrough. You don't want a system that allows an employee to immediately walk away and start a company of their own with that knowledge and completely undermining those who put in the money and effort for R&D.

But, maybe to your point, just because it's illegal doesn't mean it's easy to litigate. Much of the legal system is specifically to avoid litigation. Apropos to this discussion, even if a contract isn't enforceable, it only has to be perceived as having teeth to give it value. It's like when a baby elephant is tied to a stake and it grows to an adult still thinking that stake prevents it from leaving. All it takes is for an employee to think a non-compete has merit to keep them in place.
How much you wanna bet that the board wasn't told about OpenAI's Dev Days presentation until after it happened?
> The internet is not called "AGI"

Nether is anything else in existence. I'm glad that philosophers are worrying about what AGI might one day mean for us but it has nothing to do with anything happening in the world today.
I mean, what is AGI to you? What does that mean? For a quick thing I'll just copy from wikipedia:

> If realized, an AGI could learn to accomplish any intellectual task that human beings or animals can perform. Alternatively, AGI has been defined as an autonomous system that surpasses human capabilities in the majority of economically valuable tasks.

Can chatGPT do any intellectual task that human beings can perform? Of course I'm throwing tiny arbitrary things at it! I'm showing that it fails at simplistic text-based tasks, let alone GENERAL INTELLIGENCE. Can it gather wood and build a fire? Can it adjust the fire to keep it going? Can it come up with a joke? Can it create a new genre of game? Can it notice that the floor needs sweeping? Can it interrogate a prisoner and respond effectively to the tiny indications of what's working and what isn't? Can it notice when a movie is starting to go too long and lose the audience's attention? Can it fix a broken boiler? Can it do the laundry and fold all the clothes? That's what GENERAL INTELLIGENCE is. Suggesting CHATGPT, which outputs text based on a prompt, is getting close to GENERAL INTELLIGENCE - is absurd!!!
I'm not paying $75 for an ugly blocky font.
Hi. Ty for the article and responses. Is there a similar open source, transparent, and modifiable tool using things like git or emacs org mode? Please don't flame the noob.
None are out of the ordinary. It’s like Steel Perlot. It’s an indulge-the-wife tchotchke company position. There are lots of these for the wives and girlfriends of successful people.

Just a sinecure and someone you trust for some other reason. But you’ve got to trust them.
The archive guy has been very upfront they use custom code to block resolution from Cloudflare's IP space. archive doesn't like them since they don't send edns client subnet information to archive; it all seems like bullshit since they support non cloudflare edns resolvers so it's probably some other beef.
You mean the “the rest” as in the people who execute on the company vision?

It’s really dismissive toward the rank and file to think that they don’t matter at all.
Well, they are certainly more common in Britain than in any other country I've visited. We've seen them in quite a few rental apartments that we've looked at in England (mostly in the Midlands).
wondering if i should wait until black friday or cyber monday to upgrade my iphone. thoughts?
If we get to the point where a silver dollar has no value, we're either in a Star Trek where you can make as many as you want, at no cost... or we're past Nate Hagen's "Great Simplification", and worse off than the dark ages... Younger Dryas catastrophe level stuff
Beetlejuice, eh
I see know signs that it is being retired on platforms other than mac. With vulkan you have to bloat your own program's code and introduce complexity. Regardless bloat doesn't matter so I don't know why you are focusing on that.
Treating the non-profit OpenAI board like the board for a regular for-profit is weird.

This isn't just a non-profit holding company for tax purposes - the whole thing is structured with the intent of giving the non-profit complete control over the for-profit to help achieve the non-profit's charter.

The board being full of typical business people would likely be counterproductive to the goal of staying focused on the non-profit charter vs. general commercial business interests.

I don't know enough about most of the board to have any sort of real judgment about their ability, but there's a lot of comments here that are judging board members based on very different criteria than what they were actually brought in for.
The board do own Chat-GPT though
Microsoft’s “investment” is mostly cloud compute credits on a giga scale. OpenAI has pretty much free rein of every otherwise unallocated azure GPU host, and a lot of hardware spun up just for this purpose.

If Microsoft considers this action a breach of their agreement, they could shut off access tomorrow. Every OpenAI service would go offline.

There are very few services that would be able to backfill that need for GPU compute, and after this clusterfuck not a single one would want to invest their own operating dollars supporting OpenAI. Microsoft has OpenAI by the balls.
I’m sure Satya and his 10,000 Harvard lawyers with filed down shark teeth were just the first of many furious calls they took.
What makes a genocide is all too political. The debate about Israel committing genocide is not yet settled and banning politicians from social media because they take a fairly common viewpoint is not in the spirit of free speech. It is not appropriate for Meta to take action against people who call Israel's invasion a genocide.
> How Altman plans to pay for Worldcoin’s UBI, however, remains murky. “The hope is that as people want to buy this token, because they believe this is the future, there will be inflows into this economy. New token-buyers is how it gets paid for, effectively,” Altman told Coindesk recently.

He’s openly admitting it’s a Ponzi scheme:

> A Ponzi scheme (/ˈpɒnzi/, Italian: [ˈpontsi]) is a form of fraud that lures investors and pays profits to earlier investors with funds from more recent investors.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ponzi_scheme
I wonder if anyone has recently reviewed the history of AI and IBM?

Remember the hype around Deep Blue and later Watson?

I’m sure no lessons to be learned there :)
I wonder if it was due to a phone call from Satya Nadella.
That's neither here nor there. It's the principle that matters. Theft doesn't become okay just because you're fleecing the rich.
Kant would like a word with you about your point on whether people themselves understand the world and not just the format of their perceptions... :)

I think if you're going to be strict about this, you have to defend against the point of view that the same 'ding an sich' problem applies to both LLMs and people. And also whether if you had a limit sequence of KL divergences, one from a person's POV of the world, and one from an LLM's POV of texts, what it is about how a person approaches better grasp of reality - and likewise their KL divergence approaches 0, in some sense implying that their world model is becoming the same as the distribution of the world - that can only apply to people.

It seems possible to me that there is probably a great deal of lurking anthropocentrism that humanity is going to start noticing more and more in ourselves in the coming years, probably in both the direction of AI and the direction of other animals as we start to understand both better
These investors must be very dumb. Like pushing toothpaste back in the tube.
He dined with Xi just a few days ago. https://youtu.be/lKNwoEm-R3E
This is a dumb take, most of the general population don't even know who Sam Altman is.
> What I'm saying is "take a job with a non-compete or starve" is not a situation in which a worker can make a voluntary choice, [...]

That may or may not be true, but it's not the situation workers are in. Have you looked at unemployment rates in the US recently?

> Not to mention, such agreements are often not stated up front as part of the job description.

Yes, but they are part of the contract that you can read, before you sign.
This is very US-centric thinking. For me he is just a CEO and completely exchangeable. The only thing I really remember is that the last thing he did was crawl in front of the EU and ask them not to regulate his AI business too much.

He did none of the research that fuels OpenAIs ambitions and future prospects, thats mostly done by people like Sutskever, Radford and many more brilliant scientist.
That a military AI helps to kill enemies doesn't look particularly "unsafe" to me, at least not more "unsafe" than a fighter jet or an aircraft carrier is; they're all complex systems accurately designed to kill enemies in a controlled way; killing people is the whole point of their existence, not an unwanted side effect. If, on the other hand, a military AI starts autonomously killing civilians, or fighting its "handlers", then I would call it "unsafe", but nobody has ever been able to demonstrate an "unsafe" AI of any kind according to this definition (so far).
Because Meta or Google or Apple or Facebook don't recruit the best in the field?

All who are a year plus behind OpenAI.
Elucidating regulatory processes of intense activity by multi-omics analysis
I would be shocked if that was the case.

There are plenty of people I know from FAANG, now at OpenAI, where they do product design, operation, and DevOps at scale —all complicated, valuable, and worthwhile endeavors in their own right— that don’t need to get in the way of research. They are just the kind of talent that can operate a business with 90% margins to pay for that research.

Could there be requests or internal projects that are less exciting for some people? Sure, but it’s not very hard to set up Chinese Walls, priorities, etc. Every one of those people had to deal with similar concerns at previous companies and would know how to apply the right principles.
Have you really never been at a place without someone with vision leading the cause? Try it some time and you'll start understanding how and why a CEO can make or break a company.
One key reason past performance cannot be used to predict future returns is because market expectations tend to price in expected future returns. Also, nothing competitive is expected to generate economic profit forever— in the long run things even out. In the long run, firms and stock pickers usually end up with normal profit.

But that doesn’t mean you can’t get some useful ideas about future performance from a person’s past results compared to other humans. There is no such effect in play here.

Otherwise, time for me to go beat Steph Curry in a shooting contest.

Of course there’s other reasons past performance is imperfect as a predictor. Fundamentals can change, or the past performance could have been luck. Maybe Steph’s luck will run out, or maybe this is the day he will get much worse at basketball, and I will easily win.
I don't think "agitprop" is at all a fair comparison. It might be considered troll bait, but personally I view it as pointed quasi-satire. Corporations do tend to be authority based top down structures. There is a tendency to assume stuff must be entirely top down (authoritarian, communist, etc) or bottom up (markets, capitalism, voting, etc). In reality, both types of structures have different failure modes and it works well to have layers of each type of system.

Pointing out that modern capitalism is comprised of actors that have large structural similarities to failed communist government seems like more valuable comment than your shallow and dismissive response.
Collecting compounding interest on capital isn't planning for the future, it's robbing from the future, that was Gesell's point. Inherent to his notion of perishable money is that what improves the future is work, investment, economic activity, and exchange. Perishable money wouldn't make you more dependent on your boss or a lender but less, because people would be pretty eager to actually hand you money for your work or business idea, rather than accumulating it.

A tax on money costs the people who hold it, and benefits the people who primarily use it as a medium of exchange.
Maybe we should replace chess clocks with a power use counter, and you get a certain amount to consume through the game.
A worker can very easily go without working for company A, and go work for company B. Especially at current low levels of unemployment.
What makes them dumb? I think he's been a great CEO.
As is your right.

Most of us power through small inconveniences as a normal part of life, calculating that it is not worth missing out on potentially valuable information/experiences/people/work/etc simply on the principle of not being mildly inconvenienced.

And this is a VERY mild inconvenience.
If the LEDs blink at 150 Hz, then a single on-off cycle has a "wavelength" of 2000 km.

The wavelength of the control signal doesn't seem relevant.
Active discussion of article posted over 2 hours ago:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38325552
Keep in mind the impending stock sale has not completed as its out by about 20 to 30 days hence the scrambling of investors to try and get Sam back.

Question, did board find out about the other AI firm that was in the works by Sam? The clue might be why Chair of board was demoted but not let go??

Somebody over-played their poker hand...
Serious question, can't they just scrape it? They haven't needed permission to scrape the rest of the internet, have they?
Strong disagree. But it may take me a while to elucidate and enumerate the reasons.
> I don't mind whether what I'm coding is useful or ends up generating money

This is a problem most commonly seen in junior developers. It leads to them making poor decisions that are not aligned with business goals.

> I'm glad I program because I enjoy it

Spend enough time working in the industry and that will go away.

For your mental health's sake, I hope you find a hobby that is unrelated to your job. What you are describing is a very common path to burnout. Been there, seen many classmates go through it as well.
Film and tv studios. Selling is fine, but no rental or subscription streaming. Basically the same as the no-owning-movie-theaters rule. Idea’s to force streaming services to compete on service quality, not content exclusivity.
And because of the advantage of using it internally without sharing it with competitors?
> A non profit board absolutely calls the shots at a non profit, in so far as the CEO and their employment goes. Non profit boards are not beholden, structurally, to investors and there are no shareholders.

There is theory and there is reality. If someone is paying your bills by an outsized amount and they say jump, you will say how high.

The influence is rarely that explicit though. The board knowing that X investor provides 60% of their funding, for instance, means the board is incentivized to do things that keep X investor happy without X having to ask for it.

9 times out of 10, money drives decisions in a captilist environment
AGI is not ASI.
I read that Satya was livid about not being consulted (or even informed!) of the vote in advance.

Apparently he's now threatening to help Sam poach all of of OpenAI's top talent, turn off their servers, then sue them:

> The plan some investors are considering is to make the board consider the situation “untenable through a combination of mass revolt by senior researchers, withheld cloud computing credits from Microsoft, and a potential lawsuit from investors.
Hahaha! :) thank you. That is such a compliment hahaha! :)
Yes, it's an assumption.
GL is being retired.

I humbly don't think I am the right guy for that: I use raw x11, and will use raw wayland once the steam client is finally and actually wayland enabled, even though I may do the jump before... because "valve": their "pressure-vessel" is buggy, and I am helping fixing alsa support in SDL3, all that is starting... namely if I code something GFX related that would be more a wayland compositor on drm(dmabufs)/vulkan, probably based on valve one, either in plain and simple C (compiling with tcc, cproc/qbe, simple-cc/qbe), minimal to 0 dependencies without the latest ISO tantrums, or x86_64 assembly (before a port to riscv in the far future).

But never say never.
Yes it is. At least in the US. It's literally the feds directive to make sure inflation happens at a steady rate.
Glad you see my point and agree with me. Happy to have helped change at least one mind. Enjoy your day!
There's enormous incentive for somebody to create a tool that actually lets you "write once, run everywhere" by automatically compiling your code to the right format for every platform. This would dramatically reduce development time for companies that have to support multiple platforms which means they'd be willing to pay a substantial sum of money for it.

You already kind of have something along those lines with game development where (I believe) the most popular engines like Unreal and Unity can export to every popular gaming platform. Web development also allows that which is why everything is becoming a web site. But native apps have significant performance advantages over something like Electron that bundles a web site and a browser. Currently, there is no way that I'm aware of to generate a true native app with the correct look and feel for the platform and reasonably optimized for every platform from the same code but there should be.
I wonder if any of this is related it to it being envisioned as a non-profit board, but in the past ~year, the for-profit part has outgrown what they were really ready to handle.