skysight-inc/HackerNews huggingface dataset:
Deprecating is not removing. Deprecating a method breaks nothing. It just shows a deprecation warning when you use it and have deprecation warnings turned on.
Now we know were Murati sits. Are they planning to fire her too? Sounds like they would rather "replace her", problem being that probably no one credible will agree to do it at this point, except maybe Ilya?
Elon might be available.
What do you mean? Typically (always?) the firing itself is instantaneous. We have no idea how long the issues that led to the firing went on.

The communication was certainly very poor, and we don't know if the reasons were good, but I don't understand the speed complaint.
how many coups will it take to end this
Reminds me of a kit I got as a kid in like 1999 that was just a diode, some enamel wire, and an earpiece. It had you wind a coil on a paper towel tube and make a capacitor out of aluminum foil and more paper towel tubes. I could only ever pick up a single station no matter how I tweaked thr "tuning capacitor".

After reading this, I bet it was just a local station swamping out everything else.

I'll have to find a similar kit for my nephew. He's real into engineering and I think he's old enough now for me to teach him about electronics
Lmao start from scratch when they have gpt4 already?
And as someone lately quipped but paraphrasing:

"Those who can't align six board members safely would surely align AGI safely."

May the lords of linear algebra and calculus have mercy on us.
Crypto Crashed and Everyone's in Jail. Investors Think It's Coming Back Anyway
None of your speculation comports with the facts:

1. The OpenAI COO already sent a memo saying Altman was not fired for malfeasance but for a "breakdown in communication" between the CEO and the board: https://www.axios.com/2023/11/18/openai-memo-altman-firing-m...

2. Besides the widely reported news about there being discussions, "5PM deadlines", etc. about reinstating Altman, someone obviously let him in the building in an official capacity, and given all the news I highly doubt it was so he could pack up his office on a Sunday: https://twitter.com/sama/status/1726345564059832609 and https://twitter.com/jasonkwon/status/1726348678116548979 (second tweet posted by OpenAI's Chief Strategy Officer).
Lmao this just clicked for me. I was reading about the many iterations of OpenAI’s board’s various conflicts of interests. But I hadn’t used Poe and didn’t realize it was basically characters/Agents.
At this point in time I wouldn't be surprised if there weren't any minutes. I mean, come on: the four people that knew this was going to happen appear to be the only ones unprepared to deal with the fall-out. Missing minutes would be a footnote. And might be a sign that there was stuff in the 'original' minutes that couldn't be aired.
To the contrary, I would prefer to interpret the article's wording as saying she's working on rehiring Sam and Greg into their old positions, presumably directly against the board's wishes.
And the board just shrunk because of resignations and they wouldn't have had a majority in the past. It may have been one of those 'now or never' things.
Super slow. On my Mac Mini the inference was running in seconds, on Raspberry, minutes.
"Passkeys"

Passwordless, whatever it's called this week.
At this stage, I wonder if @sama and @gdb could just form ReOpenedAI? They could at least forgoe to pretense of the work being for some kind of greater good than profit.
Guessing they want to rehire Altman and Brockman into their old positions, while still keeping them off the board.

I think maybe the trigger was that Sam was doing some board-unfriendly moves like signing business contracts with MS without running it by the board, and they found out about this and booted him out hastily. But now they got too much backlash, and are hoping to just go back to normal, but still can't accept Sam keeping the board seats in case he tries again.
Rehiring Altman as coffee boy?
It is if the board had 9 members originally and only temporarily has 6 because of recent resignations. And that there is a proposal to expand the board on the table (because 6 is kind of thin for a company this size).
OpenAI has enough momentum and built enough moat that Sam Altman cannot replicate it. If he can actually replicate it and over take openai, then the business itself has no legs as it will be easily commoditized and any moat nullified in no time
This feels like Succession, but without the nepotism. Big egos, struggle for power, lots of money on the line.
It will make a great movie though.
> take everyone with him

That's always the assumption people are going with, but is it true?
I interpret the article as saying she's working on rehiring Greg as president and Sam as CEO, in "parallel" with the board looking for a different CEO.
It's not so much that they were replaced but that the logistics of delivering an entire house's BOM to a single location didn't make sense. What made it work at the time was the railroads. The lumber would be dropped off at a freight yard to be picked up by a local contractor. (Although the homeowner could have done it themselves if they wanted the actual work was typically hired out to tradesmen.) But as the country shifted to highways, houses were being built in places that weren't accessible by train.
That’s my point. If/when he breaches he has to pay your fees for suing him. It’s a contingency lawyer’s dream.
You're assuming this story is legit. Anonymous sources have been all over the place, seeding the idea that that Sam will return; the board hasn't responded. Maybe it's as big a mess on the board's side as you say. Maybe Sam's supporters are trying to create a dominant narrative that becomes self-fulfilling.
They're going to be helming a ghost company soon. Good job; great effort.

They're never going to get the funding they need after this clown show. Nobody is going to give them $$$ without seriously restructuring the board.
There is now way the Sam and Greg are coming back unless (1) the entire board resigns, and (2) Sam, Greg, and Satya chooses the new board.
> None of your speculation comports with the facts

> The OpenAI COO already sent a memo saying Altman was not fired for malfeasance

By what means have you ascertained that the contents of the memo are factual?

> someone obviously let him in the building in an official capacity

Probably one of the same personality-cult types currently carrying water for him. Doesn't mean shit that he got someone to let him in the office. (Probably means they're getting - deservedly - fired.)
I hope they don't give Sam a ceremonial "chief evangelist" position and hire some boomer board ass kisser to be CEO
That is an amazing story. And you know that because of you, that person probably still calls their browser “the internet” because you showed them how to get to google.

I can’t imagine any old person calling tech support now and getting that kind of help. But think about how many people got their very first exposure to the internet just before you hung up the phone. Crazy.
Done what? A competent board would not do this.
Actual title: "Why dumb ideas capture smart and successful people"
To be frank, isn't it weird to appoint an interim CEO who sides with the person you ousted? Why not have appointed someone more sympathetic to your position?
From the article:

> in a capacity that has yet to be finalized

Very hard to say.
I’m not assuming anything. It’s been a clown show since the press release smearing the outgoing executive.
As opposed to a catalog company pumping out identical houses...?
> Newco

NextAI
There are still huge vaults of untapped data.

I'm building a magazine encyclopedia and I would estimate that 99.9% of all magazines ever published are not available electronically. And that the content in magazines probably exceeds the content in books by an order of magnitude.
Proves the board just wanted power, and only power.

All of the engineers, Sam, and Greg are probably entirely reasonable. If you really wanted to ensure safety like it always has been, you can express your concerns and get basically what you wanted.

They will pay up the bill: https://openai.com/blog/introducing-superalignment

If you disagreed on what would lead to AGI, LLM vs more components, then you can just see it play out. Same thing as the specific transformer being a light at the end of the tunnel that OpenAI pivoted to, the researchers will find what makes the AI more intelligent over time.

Only if you wanted to entirely stop the AI development would this occur for you to do. But this is probably a minimal goal if you are a researcher, you want to keep researching. Instead, only if you wanted to stop OPENAI's AI, would you do this.

At the end of the day, the board probably was a conflict of interest, and had no real concerns. Power grab 101.
Ilya is the irreplaceable one there though …

I know it is to much to wish for, but I hope Sam and Ilya reconcile their differences. They are the most obvious example of 1+1>2.
will they skip the interview?
I have never seen any ad on Twitch either and I am a very irregular user as well.

My guess is they don't show ads to guests before they reach a certain amount of frequent visits.
It must be true or they wouldn’t be considering bringing him back so quickly.
I'd guess that Sam probably won't take the deal too, though I don't think their relations are necessarily as bad as people imagine. I think the board is just considering this option, and also looking for other people in the likely case that Sam doesn't accept. But I really doubt they'll consider personally resigning.
Just a note that they CAPTCHA or block archive.XX if you use iCloud Private Relay.

A site setting can be made thusly: https://support.apple.com/en-us/102022

Or Settings -> Safari-> Hide IP address. “Trackers Only” should work, or under the aA Safari toolbar, select “Show IP Address”

PITA this crappified internet.

Editorial comment: sites somehow let search engines see the contents, in order to get clicks, (and then demand that you pay to view). I don’t know the details, but if one can do it, apparently without paying, so can others. Pay sites want it both ways, which is abusive in my book,

Also IMO, paywalls widen the digital divide. When all factual information is paywalled, only lies will be free, and will prevail.

“Democracy dies behind Paywalls”
This isn't true. Holes can become unlivable for a species for other reasons than the hole vanishing. The hole still exists, and further the collapse of the species filling it leads other species to collapse, creating growing fissures. Now, wounds heal, yes, if and only if given the time to. If you chop off your entire arm, you'll bleed out long before it scars over.
Mira Murati is interim CEO. Her job is to find [edit: not hire] a new CEO, after which she can either resign or return to her previous role.
My gut has the same feeling, but to put numbers on it, for a 1.76 trillion parameter model...

- It takes 10s of millions of dollars in GPU time for training?

- Curation of data to train on

- Maybe 10s of thousands of man hours for reinforcement?

- How many lines of code are written for the nets and data pipelines?

Does anyone have any insight on these numbers?
Marketing leaders urge X CEO Linda Yaccarino to resign
>I can’t imagine why any CEO would want to take the job and be Sam’s boss. There’s no way that goes well.

She could be doing a move from The Expanse where she's Jim Holden and Sam is Camina Drummer (plus Adam is Chrisjen Avasarala).
Oh that's so neat. Makes me wonder if the CRT in my scope was made using that tooling, they must have had 10's or even 100's of those sets. I hardly ever use it these days but I can't part with it, it's been with me for a good 30 years or so and it still works well when powered up. I also have a much newer LCD based one that sees much more use and that is far more compact.
I won't say everyone, but 1/3 of people with Sam will be a disastrous blow to existing OpenAI as a company.
Not irreplaceable. There are many other very good, very qualified machine learning researchers, and Ilya relies on the people under him just as much.
My dad was navigator on a B-17 in WW2. The B-17 crews had to fly their own birds from Newfoundland to England. Many crews and their airplanes were lost without a trace on this trip. (There was no hope of rescue if you went down in the North Atlantic. You just prayed nothing went wrong with the engines or the navigation.) My dad was proud he crossed the coast of Ireland within a mile of where he was aiming for.

His tool was a sextant and math.

He was made lead navigator for his bomb group.

He wanted to be a pilot, but because he was a math nerd, the Air Corps told him he was gonna be a navigator.
First, I will agree that Ripley’s is awful. I’m not sure how they stay in business. I went once to see what was there, and because I remember watching the show with Dean Cain as a kid. Never again.

That being said, all the kitch aside, popular places are popular for a reason. When I started to travel more, I started out as a travel snob, not even going to those areas of town. Then I got over myself, as I figured I was missing out on seeing some of the things that put the cities on the map in the first place.

Going to some of the more touristy spots doesn’t mean you can’t still venture off the beaten path, or have good stories/memories. I go to see the thing that made it a good spot for the tourist trap, not to buy novelty t-shirts and foam fingers. It’s not the whole trip, it’s an hour of one day.

I also don’t know how touristy it will be until I get there. I was told to check out the Tsukiji fish market in Tokyo, but was warned about it being a tourist trap. Clearly I screwed up getting there, was I ended up wandering around the docks where guys were working, and ending up getting lunch at this tiny place with about 8 stools, where I had the best seafood I’ll probably eat in my life. I went in expecting a tourist trap and found the exact opposite.
lol, no... most people suck at laying out graphs... most cant even label axis
I think perhaps you missed the analogy here?

The fire is OpenAI controlling an AI with their alignment efforts. The analogy here is that some company could recreate the AGI-under-alignment and just... Decide to remove the alignment controls. Hence, create another effigy and not set it on fire.
https://loeber.substack.com/p/a-timeline-of-the-openai-board
That you can charge people to use, literally almost exactly what GPTs are (minus that those are supposed to be a revenue share from ChatGPT Plus subscribers).

https://poe.com/earnings_tos
100M for GPT-4 I think. They would be in a strong position to negotiate a discount on that GPU bill though.
My great grandfather (born 1900) related stories about receiving AM 700 in fence wire and a brass bed frame. I was too young to ask questions, but I bet he was talking about the 1930s when it was transmitting at 500,000 (!!!) watts. The family farm was about 40 miles from the transmitter.
My phone does that, too !!
I will say at this point, let Sam cook, build a new company, take the people and let the board make a fool of themselves.
I hope they get David Fincher to direct, based on a screenplay by Aaron Sorkin, and have Jessie Eisenberg playing sama. Andrew Garfield can play Brad, and Justin Timberlake can play the part of Ilya Sustskever. And of course the score has to be by Atticus Ross and Trent Reznor.
It sure as hell can be wasted though
No, her job is to be interim CEO. The board hires the CEO.
So remove Ilya, got it.
Is he, though? Genuine question - I am sure the Chief Scientist (or equivalent) of Xerox Parc was a brilliant person, but if we take our engineer blinders off, a successful birthing of products that millions benefit from is from more than just the genius of the tech/product person.
What are the exact reasons for Ilya to fire Sam Altman is something I and half a million of other folks are more interested than the question of whether he can replicate open ai or over take it via new venture. Any takes in this thread?
I believe you. But the problem is, young people are mistaken, what this attack is really about. Free Palestine is a myth, Hamas does not care about Palestine, they have not asked for a seperate state, but the destruction of Isreal. I do not advocate the brute beat down by Isreal either
LibreAI surely?
If you’ll excuse the tinfoil hat, the OpenAI disagreement could very well stem from a dangerous accident or near miss covered up by Altman that we just haven’t learned about yet since the board didn’t publicly state how he deceived them. And that would be pretty analogous to the Cruise situation.

Anyway Altman gives me the ick, serious lizard person vibes.
No it is the board’s job to hire the new ceo. The interim ceo is supposed to run the company.
I'm a camp host for the forest service during the summer. I use my e-bike to explore closed logging roads looking for gold. The highway into town is dangerous so I haven't used it to go shopping yet. Maybe next summer. Frankly, I'd love to live in a walkable urban area with a university and a library nearby. I'll never be able to afford that. For the winter, I live in an inexpensive house in a walkable city in Mexico. No university, no library, and no community of similar minded Yankees. It's the best I can do.
Side question: does aftermarket trading typically accurately reflect the opening minutes of the next day?
I mean there are a lot of potential human objectives an AI could be maligned with in relation to humans. Simple ones are moral misalignment. Extenstential ones are ones where the AI wants to use the molecules that make up your body to make more copies of the AI.
> I had a bunch of perfectly serviceable USB-A to lightning cables to discard

Can't you just give them to the person who is inheriting/buying your previous phone?
>Every single breakage is a massive massive waste of people's time.

I think this applies to a ton of things. For instance, in 2015, my electricity provider switched from NSTAR to EverSource. For whatever reason they couldn't auto-migrate everyone's accounts. I ended up having to call them on the phone. Took maybe 20-30 minutes, I think.

According to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NSTAR_(company) they had 1.4 million customers. Massive waste of time for a ton of people.

Societally, there should be a way to deal with this. Obviously not possible for real, but maybe it would be appropriate lock the execs and board of directors in a room that just continuously plays hold music for a week so their time is wasted as well.
> He'd lose the restrictive governance model and gain full-control.

He'd lose the dataset, which is by far the most valuable thing they have. The genie is out of the bottle and making such a dataset again is not going to be easy or cheap (or maybe even legal).
less good soundtrack too.
Ilya is done. This is a clear instance of the chef who made the secret sauce breaking down after the restaurant expanded. Except now, regardless of his contributions, there's enough people making similar sauce and not poisoning it that it'd be better if he went back to some idealistic mom&pop so that the business could bring in line cooks.
> The new CEO now wants to hire the old CEO back

The article says “in a capacity that has yet to be finalized” - so this might be not as significant.

> but now the board doesn’t want either of them to be CEO and is trying to find a totally new CEO

That part is not unexpected - they announced an interim CEO after all.

Additionally there are no sources and the article is based on hearsay. For all we know this might be clickbait.
Which countries have effectively banned alcohol?
It is. It's a new asset class that can't be ignored. All assets crash. Look at real estate in 2008. Real estate is as solid as an asset can be yet we saw what happened in 2008. As far as fraud, that's one of the curses of finance. If money is involved there will always be someone that wants to steal it. It happens with all asset classes.

The idea that you can create your own coin and become a rich person is probably gone but Bitcoin and Ethereum are here to stay. But like everything it won't go up forever but 100 years from now they will still be an asset you can buy and sell.
It did seem strange that any response took such a long time, and even after that amount of time the response was effectively a shrug emoji. I mean, yes, it's lying, but standard playbook is to say something along the lines of "we've identified the cause and the resolution is proving trickier than initially estimated, but we're expecting full network service back up within X"

I have to assume the CEO knew this was a final straw after the 2022 data breach, and this shit-show PR was essentially a free-kick since the writing was already on the wall.

Was probably also told: you know you're fired, but not until you've fronted the senate committee, we're not going to subject our new CEO to that as their first order of business.

Related: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-11-20/kelly-bayer-rosmarin-...
It's the board's job to hire the new CEO. The interim CEO runs the company until a permanent CEO is found.

The interim CEO can hire people below her (advisers, other C-suite execs) but has no authority to hire the permanent CEO.
The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress by Robert Heinlein has as one of its central plot elements a mainframe computer that becomes sentient and able to converse with humans. It’s been more than fifty years since I last read the book, but it has returned to my mind often since the release of ChatGPT.
I am surprised we haven't heard that he's trying to insert himself into this somehow
It seems like a mess -- but what would you do if you were on the board of a nonprofit that believes it's developing the world's most important technology, and you conclude that the CEO is lying to you and/or violating the charter? I don't know if there are any good options.

Paul Graham says Sam is "extremely good at becoming powerful", "you could parachute him into an island of cannibals and come back in 5 years and he'd be the king". I don't understand why I'm supposed to support a machiavellian power-seeker to develop the world's most important technology. I just hope he doesn't slip ice-nine into my food after I publish this comment: https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/10/10/sam-altmans-ma...

Edit: I suspect the mods of Hacker News downranked this comment, it's voted to +15 points but sits near the bottom of the page... Maybe try not to be quite so cartoonishly evil guys?
Board chooses the CEO but interim does all the practical things, while also managing the company.
I think most phones with a GPS receiver don't use it for time, they use the native network time signal instead. This is annoying as the (formerly) GSM time signal in many cases used to be _way_ off, like, 5-10 seconds off. This situation has improved somewhat in the last 10 years or so.
Can you expound on what you mean?
Cache lines, are like a thing, man. Unless you're on an embedded processor.
A few years ago I had an Uber driver from Mongolia. He was trying to talk me into visiting and was telling me about the hospitality. He told me there weren’t many hotels, but to just knock on someone’s door and they’d take me in, feed me, and give me a place to stay. If it were to work out, that sounds like it could be amazing, but coming from my US perspective, it seems like it has a high chance of not working out.

Although, I’ve watched a bunch of Yes Theory on YouTube and it seems like the places that don’t get a lot of tourists are really excited for people to show up, so who knows.
You could look on the current situation as an alignment in process.
They make emergency radios which do AM, FM, and weather radio. A lot of them have cranks for power. They are something worth having in emergency kit.

Also, lots of people have device that can receive radio, it’s their car. Many receivers have AM/FM, but many people have the antennas in the box.

Finally, mobile and home internet are separate. I have used phone as backup when home internet was down. Mobile is usually different provider and stays working longer when power is out.