skysight-inc/HackerNews huggingface dataset:
Depends entirely on how you do it. You can do something and backtrack in a shitty way too.

If they wanted to show they’re committed to backtracking they could resign themselves.

Now it sounds more like they want to have their cake and eat it.
RUDimentary jargon
> What is free and open source by the way? Their client? What about their server they store your password? (I assume you can sync that to their server, I’m not their customer.)

You didn't even bother to click the link and educate yourself did you? The server, client and mobile app are all open source. You can even store the encrypted DB yourself on your own server.
Except it's unlikely because they have a bit larger context and are modeling a bit more than one-dimensional probabilities of "what comes after this?".

I'd say that LLMs are more resistant to GIGO, as long as the fraction of garbage in training data is small - it'll look like outliers to the larger model.
Hardware acceleration in this case is to draw less power doing day-to-day operations and not melt the user's hand.

In the general case most effective hardware acceleration uses are supposed to increase latency.

Let's take another example for the analogy: you can run your LLM straight in the CPU and it will have awesome latency and very poor throughput; or you can take your sweet time to load the weights into your GPU/NPU/TPU/memory-in-compute device and run it hardware accelerated at lower energy cost and higher throughput.
Which is a bit ironic given how Apple is known for its mouse-centric UIs, complimented by excellent trackpads, and poor keyboards.
To be honest, as far as I can tell, the case FOR Sam seems to largely be of the status quo "Well, idk, he's been rich and successful for years, surely this correlates and we must keep them" type of coddling those in uber superior positions in society.

Which seems like it probably is a self fulfilling prophecy. The private sector lottery winners seem to be awarded kingdoms at an alarming rate.

There's been lots of people asking what Sam's true value proposition to the company is, and...I haven't seen anything other than what could be described above.

But I suppose we've got to be nice to those who own rather than make. Won't anyone have mercy on well paid management?
>Which in turn now creates the threat that a for-profit version of OpenAI dominates the market with no higher purpose.

Is Microsoft a higher purpose?
Also - it feels like it's not 'simple'. And I doubt it will ever be implemented.
Sure, it's important in some ways, but most corporations aren't direct subordinates of the US Government.

The companies you listed in contrast to OpenAI also have some key differences: they're all long-standing and mature companies that have been through several management and regime changes at this point, while OpenAI is still in startup territory and hasn't fully established what it will be going forward.

The other major difference is that OpenAI is split between a non-profit and a for-profit entity, with the non-profit entity owning a controlling share of the for-profit. That's an unusual corporate structure, and the only public-facing example I can think of that matches it is Mozilla (which has its own issues you wouldn't necessarily see in a pure for-profit corporation). So that means on top of the usual failure modes of a for-profit enterprise that could lead to the CEO getting fired, you also get other possible failure modes including ones grounded in pure ideology since the success or failure of a non-profit is judged on how well it accomplishes its stated mission rather than its profitability, which is uh well, it's a bit more tenuous.
No malfeasance? Guess who would now be interested in backing Altman and his crew in whatever he chooses to do.

Trillion $ companies are not forces you should be meddling with.
It’s a satire. Maybe not on Orwell or Vonnegut levels, but definitely a lot more than just a comedy.
When are they putting GPT on the board?
How much of OpenAI’s success can you attribute to sama’s leadership and how much to the technical achievements of those who work under him.

My understanding is that OpenAI’s biggest advantage is that they recruited and attracted the best in the field, presumably under the charter of providing AI for everyone.

Not sure that sama and gdb starting their own company in the same space will produce similar results.
And once upon a time Paris was the Prime Meridian and the British Empire was the dominant super power that spanned the globe.

It's worth asking how rapidly can, say, a global finnacial hub transfer from one location to another, how quickly a centre for excellence can transfer, how many years does it take for the world's best space scientists to move out of Germany, etc.

Does Silicon Valley have a tipping point?
Illudium Q36 explosive space modulator?
The problem in my city is that the people at fault are generally:

- Idiots on new-age vehicles (especially those one-wheeled things)

- Idiots who park on the stop on the side of the road with emergency blinkers (hi, Amazon delivery drivers)

- Idiots who stop in the middle of an intersection

All of those cause unsafe driving, as other drivers are forced to maneuver around things the roads and traffic weren't designed for.

My goal isn't to assign blame, though. My goal is to make sure as few people die as possible. Personally, I'd also usually rather risk death than a crippling injury. If I die, that sucks. If I'm a quadriplegic for the rest of my life, that sounds a lot worse. I'm not sure why you're okay with cyclists dying.

As points of data:

- I once crashed a car on a highway. My only accident, in many years of driving. The car was totaled. No one was injured. It was pretty amazing.

- I've injured myself seriously on bicycles several times, despite far fewer miles commuted and being much more careful. Only one of those involved a car. One involved a pothole, and the most serious one, a hidden metal plate.

Having an engineered metal cage around you does wonders for safety.

I stopped seriously commuting on my bicycle when I had a child. The risk wasn't worth it. I'd start again if the city were designed for it, but I'd want dedicated bicycle arteries -- bikeways without cars, pedestrians, or idiots on one-wheels. I'd be okay with ebikes and scooters IF there were some ways to keep idiots off (traffic enforcement, licensing, or whatever). In the city I was born, somehow people seem able to handle ebikes, scooters, and mopeds safely. In the city I live in, they somehow can't.
> He'll make a lot more money if he doesn't

He supposedly didn't care about the money. He didn't take equity.
Sam can sue OpenAI and mire the company in legal obligations in next year and draining the talents out of it.
I don't think accelerationism is about increasingly reckless decisions made by humans in increasingly powerful positions. Or anyway I hadn't yet been thinking
I am not sure it really makes sense for the investors to continue with OpenAI. It seems like this incident proved that the constitution of the company wasn't really compatible with a profit focus. It was a split from the beginning, and obviously a questionable arrangement. It just came to a head to make it obvious.

The business and investment people want to make money. Many of the researchers want to take their time and build better and safer models and don't care about money in the short term at all. They are two different goals.

It's easy for business and investment people to say that they are concerned with safety and research, and I believe them to a certain degree. But they have $10 billion reasons to focus on the actual business instead of research and safety.
How is it retaliating if you turned off the servers that host it?

(you, just like the chatbot, can come up with a random hypothetical explanation, but like the chatbot's answer, it will be illogical, based on the premise that the chatbot only exists on the servers)
None of that sounds like actual work or results. It's just a bunch of empty business speak. They are definitely not qualified to serve on the board of a company like OpenAI.
Is it really free speech? It goes through algorithms before I see it

I think we need new categories to describe speech on social media. The existing categories don't quite fit right
That makes sense. I hope my first comment came across as I intended, which wasn't as criticism of the product but a suggestion about how to talk about the value of the product.
> No one has ever been able to demonstrate an "unsafe" AI of any kind

"A man has been crushed to death by a robot in South Korea after it failed to differentiate him from the boxes of food it was handling, reports say."

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-67354709
I still haven't heard an explanation of why people who use GPT would be under the impression that Sam had anything to do with the past improvements in GPT versions.
Maybe most things are not messy, and only thr messy things are exiting enough for you to not call them ‘boring middle class lives’?
I was with you up until...

> watch Goyal tell a new user "you can't do that, use the builtin reader if you want reading progress synced, fuck off"

... which seems to be a quote that you just made up. I might be wrong (maybe you meant to link to another thread and mixed up your links, or maybe the link you provided wasn't supposed to actually be evidence for the quoted part), but it seems like not.

This is a horrible practice, and you should stop.* (It's actually against the rules on HN[1][2], but you shouldn't do it anywhere. It's lame.)

* Yes, even in circumstances where you profess to have no intent of misleading people and are just "paraphrasing"—that's not how paraphrasing works to begin with, and the person's own words should be sufficient[3] to indict if they are in fact sufficient to indict them.

1. <https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13600284#13602947>

2. <https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15890551#15890822> (you'll need showdead turned on)

3. e.g. <https://bugs.launchpad.net/calibre/+bug/2011720#yui_3_10_3_1...>
So what exactly is he needed for if other people build it?
It being a pacifier and it enabling some (read: non-zero) understanding of a language are not mutually exclusive. You exemplified my thesis.
I get that you can monitor phase shift in a signal, if you have knowledge of what the reference is.

If I expect a 1kHz sine wave, and you transmit a signal that sounds imperceptibly no different than a pure 1khz sine wave (to a human ear), you could be encoding data in a signal that actually varies over time between 998hz and 1002 hz which could be extracted with DSP.

But, how would I extract a phase shift from an arbitrary novel music, for example [0], where I don't know what the expected reference is?

[0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrJYo9d12o8
They who control the gpus control the universe. There is a great chip shortage. If MS breaks the lease agreement with OpenAI (based on some pretext about governance) OpenAI won't be able to do any work nor will they be able to serve customer requests for the next year while they litigate this in court. Microsoft holds all the cards because they own the data centers.
> the stated primary objective was to get through staging without blowing up.

So I was more or less correct at the top of the thread when I said, "if the launch works through staging, SpaceX fans would declare it a success", and I consider that a low bar.
I am talking for hours when there isn't much renewables. If you set the timeline to 24 hours and look at the hours, you have periods with 55% gas and also 20% imports. You can assume imports are dirty coal, because that is most of Australia.
Without commenting on their competency as board members...

Describing Tasha McCauley as "an actor's wife" feels a bit sexist. She's apparently a scientist and founder of a (failed?) startup.

Is there any evidence Helen Toner is a "Chinese spy"? (having lived in Beijing isn't evidence)
I genuinely believe Worldcoin/World ID is terrible for optics and is not something Sam should have put his name on.

That being said, here's my strongman argument: Sam is scared of the ramifications of AI, especially financially. He's experimenting with a lot of things, such as Basic Income (https://www.ycombinator.com/blog/basic-income), rethinking capitalism (https://moores.samaltman.com/) and Worldcoin.

He's also likely worried about what happens if you can't tell who is human and who isn't. We will certainly need a system at some point for verifying humanity.

Worldcoin doesn't store iris information; it just stores a hash for verification. It's an attempt to make sure everyone gets one, and to keep things fair and more evenly distributed.

(Will it work? I don't think so. But to call it an eyeball identity scam and dismiss Sam out of hand is wrong)
OpenAI needs the Microsoft partnership
They are already the dumbest board in history (even dumber than Apple’s board firing Steve Jobs). So it’s not out of keeping with anything. Besides, those 2 independent board members (who couldn’t do fizz-buzz if their lives depended on it) won’t be staying long if Sam returns— nor are they likely to ever serve on any board ever again after their shenanigans.
I think it's a bit naive to believe you can make the jump from chatgpt to AGI. IMHO, those should have been 2 separate tracks where they milked the LLM hype as much as possible and used it to fund AGI research.
> Only a fraction of Microsoft’s $10 billion investment in OpenAI has been wired to the startup, while a significant portion of the funding, divided into tranches, is in the form of cloud compute purchases instead of cash, according to people familiar with their agreement.

Per https://www.semafor.com/article/11/18/2023/openai-has-receiv...
zk proofs are used in public blockchains to transmit millions in value so I would assume they aren't vulnerable to side channel attacks at least not on a superficial level.
Then OpenAI is dead and it's MS AI.

The worst outcome.
Your "thesis" rather sounded like it was exclusive since you said you didn't learn one "lick" after maxing out the available content for two languages, but I'm glad we apparently agree after all
Microsoft would be horrified.
> "was not made in response to malfeasance or anything related to our financial, business, safety, or security/privacy practices. This was a breakdown in communication between Sam and the board."

A breakdown in coms that took everyone by surprise? Smells like bullshit
RIP OpenAI, for real.

And RIP @sama if he chooses to go back, no good could possibly come out of this.
I hope he says he will return, but only in return for a massive stock grant, to prevent this problem from returning.
Microsoft depends on OpenAI much more than OpenAI depends on Microsoft. If you work with OpenAI as a company very often this is extraordinarily obvious.
His company competes with for profit OpenAI, and it is in his best interest to fuck up OpenAI's leadership.
Yet nothing works on Wayland. This is the kind of stuff that boils my blood as a linux user. In my arch install I do not intend to uninstall X for the next decade or so. Every time I tried switching to Wayland it was a circus of dozens of bugs and workflow I use everyday for work being "not supported".
I would like to see a standardized streaming protocol be developed. That way there can be a market for the client side (different apps that organize content you've subscribed to) and for the server side (like web servers are commodities). It would eliminate content providers having to roll their own streaming back ends and front end apps for so many platforms.
Microsoft has licensing rights to OpenAI tech. They do not “have it” in the sense they control it.
Throw rocks at me if you like, but ansible is a more swiss army knife than just CM; I can trivially provision a cloud something (and there are a lot of cloud somethings that it supports, not just "hurr, I can make an ec2 instance hurr"), then do traditional config-management upon those resources, then do local tasks -- which I recognize may rub folks the wrong way, but for good or bad it's damn handy in a lot of my specific use cases -- then go back to doing cloud or CM stuff, all within the same playbook

Also, it really jams me up their crazy nomenclature <https://docs.saltproject.io/en/3005/glossary.html> trying to be "cutesy" with really going all-in on that salt thing. I have heard similar, justified, complaints about Brew's "Cellar", "Keg", "Tap", etc
OAI needs to fundamentally change if Sam goes back. Wholesale change.
Somehow I don't think Sam needs support of any particular kind from the likes of us.
Why aren't motherboards mostly USB-C by now? (2021)
No it won't Wayland protocol doesn't support it, besides Wayland has been here for such a long time. Pretending like Wayland is ready to replace X is like pretending like we can ban cars tomorrow and bikes will be good enough. It's completely delusional.
Competition will come no matter what. I don’t think anyone should waste their worries on whether OpenAI can keep a monopoly
Merely having knowledge of a profitable trading strategy is not at all the same as having invented it, or even being capable of doing so.
haha that would be next level, and indeed entertainment for weeks to come
Why do you believe a stock grant would be better? And yes, the board messed up here, but do you not think oversight is important?
Between this and Starship launch, it was my Saturday well spent.
AFAICT Sam and his financial objectives was the reason for not open sourcing the work of a non profit.. He might be wishing he chose the other policy now that he can't legally just take the closed source with him to an unambiguously for profit company.

Personally, I would expect a lot more development of GPT-4+ as soon as this is split up from one closed group making gpt-5 in secret and it seems silly to exchange a reliable future for another few months of depending on this little shell game.
Brockman maybe, though. Or at least in some sort of leadership capacity.
I think it's a bit like radar and sonar.

Receiving bounced waves gives you information, while emitting it gives out information, and may make you a target. A streetlight is a neutral-emitter that doesn't usually need to worry about being attacked, unlike a bobbing flashlight held by someone walking in the dark woods.

A difference with car-headlights is that the car itself is a protective shell, and it's hard for other cars to hide in bushes.
> Well, no. The family in which you are born is effectively random.

I've seen some screwed up ideas on what "random" means before, but... c'mon.

It's not random in any meaningful sense of the word. There are some uncomfortable truths that must be dealt with here, but to hide from them by saying that some arbitrary individual might've been born to a different family requires purely decadent levels of denialism.

> We can have a system that optimises for medium-size companies and businesses

We can't. Because even the tiniest businesses and farms are already multimillionaire levels. Medium-sized are far larger still. If you set these taxes to avoid harming those, the thresholds for taxes to be applicable would be so bizarrely high that we'd all laugh and shake our heads.

Inheritance taxes are tools designed to teach the middle class to not bother trying, because the lifetime it would take to accumulate enough wealth to set the grandkids up to do well will see it all taken by the state. They're harmful to the middle class, and not the billionaires.

The billionaires are still young enough to find some place or mechanism to avoid the inheritance tax. They're beyond it. It's the lesser folk that can't avoid it. But I guess it's not all bad, even if your great-grandchildren have crippling levels of student debt, at least they can sleep well at night knowing that it helped purchase JDAM bombs for Sudanese weddings.
I found the episodes legitimately stressful to watch. "Too close to home" is exactly right. I grimaced through them though. And nowadays I do enjoy watching the "best of" clips on YouTube, or linking my coworkers to whatever scene from the show is relevant to the current meeting...
Where is the companies or skills from here? I see a list of made up foundations or "centers" doing 0 valueable things

Why do we need some moral superior person from some university to "think about safey and OpenAI" and not find it out ourselves?

What a clown company

also

>And she’s tied to the Effective Altruism movement

ah where SBF was involved. what an achivement
That sounds like something a dictator would do.
I feel like homes should not be taxed, or at least the first $X dollars of your first home should not be.
They pretty much lost everyone’s confidence if they fire the CEO and then beg him to come back the next day. Did they not foresee any backlash? These people are gonna predict the future and save us from an evil AGI? Lol
The world will end?

Why should there be a problem of any kind when the Boomers die off? Somebody will buy their houses. True, there will be 'noise levels' of temporarily more empty houses and temporarily more buyers looking to buy. But as in most places in the world population increases soak up those empty houses very soon.

What will happen also is that the worst houses will fall empty and be demolished to build newer, better houses. But that is an ongoing thing all over the World, anyway.

There are more ways for the population to increase than Births being greater than Deaths. I hear that there is a border problem on the US-Mexico border. What's the problem there, exactly?

TLDR answer: Population increases will soak up any houses left empty when the Boomers die off.
As a for instance, and I don't know, but it's plausible Microsoft has full license to use all tech, is the cloud operating it, and has escape clauses tied to "key persons".

That combination could mean firing the CEO results in Microsoft getting to have everything and OpenAI being some code and models without a cloud, and whatever people that wouldn't cross the street with Altman.

I do not know about OpenAI's deal with Microsoft. But I have been on both sides of deals written that way, where I've been the provider's key person and the contract offered code escrow, and I've been a buyer that tied the contract to a set of key persons and had full source code rights, surviving any agreement.

You do this if you think the tech could be existential to you, and you pay a lot for it because effectively you're pre-buying the assets after some future implosion. OTOH, it tends to be not well understood by most people involved in the hundreds of pages of paperwork across a dozen or more interlocking agreements.

. . .

EDIT TO ADD:

This speculating article seems to agree with my speculation, daddy has the cloud car keys, and key person ouster could be a breach:

Only a fraction of Microsoft’s $10 billion investment in OpenAI has been wired to the startup, while a significant portion of the funding, divided into tranches, is in the form of cloud compute purchases instead of cash, according to people familiar with their agreement.

That gives the software giant significant leverage as it sorts through the fallout from the ouster of OpenAI CEO Sam Altman. The firm’s board said on Friday that it had lost confidence in his ability to lead, without giving additional details.

One person familiar with the matter said Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella believes OpenAI’s directors mishandled Altman’s firing and the action has destabilized a key partner for the company. It’s unclear if OpenAI, which has been racking up expenses as it goes on a hiring spree and pours resources into technological developments, violated its contract with Microsoft by suddenly ousting Altman.

https://www.semafor.com/article/11/18/2023/openai-has-receiv...
Just an anecdote, but I was a teen in the 00s. I became aware of the conflict my freshman year of college and my impression was that while complicated, among my peers (even Jewish ones) the greater balance of sympathies laid with the Palestinians.