skysight-inc/HackerNews huggingface dataset:
Being honest about the technical difficulties of building the most important invention in human history surely isn't belying prior optimism. I'm certain it's not a simple matter of him going "AGI coming real quick board I'm working on it" or something trivial like that. If the board is so set on getting to AGI, as you claim, then OpenAI's breakthroughs under Sam's direction have done more in credible service of that goal than any other company on the planet so far.

OpenAI, even prior to AGI is seeing 100x+ returns. The ousting almost certainly is not a matter of performance or professional capability. It's a matter of some personal scandal or fundamental, philosophical difference on the fate of AI in the world and safety.
The tweet that Musk endorsed referred to “western Jewish populations”, not to the ADL.

https://nitter.net/breakingbaht/status/1724892505647296620
I like your idea. But I think it is much simpler: money. Someone called him and offered insane amount of money to sell the company. He told them to fuck off and did not inform the board about the offer. Or maybe he refused a very lucrative contract without consulting the board.
> I hope it's not that they already have a fully sentient AGI locked up in a server room somewhere...

Of sorts.

ChatGPT is actually a farm of underpaid humans, located somewhere in southeast Asia.
His relationship/dealings with Microsoft is my guess
1. Hydraulic fracking made the pricing of natural gas at pennies per cubic mile

2. A gas turbine can be up and running in days

3. Green washing - it's "clean" energy for some definition of clean, certainly compared to coal

I'm exaggerating a bit on points 1 and 2, but the fuel costs are cheap and you can setup a gas turbine plant comparatively quickly compared to a coal or a nuclear power plant. Most people don't care about a gas turbine plant in their backyard, but a coal or nuclear power plant? You're facing a multi-year legal battle that's going to cost you millions of dollars. You have to do environmental impact studies that are going to cost you tens of millions of dollars. There's a lot of complications for how to handle the waste (not just nuclear: coal has SOX, NOX, fly ash and pot ash wastes that you must manage) that cost tens of millions of dollars. A gas turbine is quick, cheap, and easy. Guess which form of electrical power generation is proliferating?
another Steve Jobs in the making?
I believe I specifically mentioned VMS and VAXclusters in the article, didn't I?
If someone else does it would it have the same impact? I think part of the reason it worked so well is because Van Damme was well known for exactly that sort of stunt.

But Van Damme is 63. Even though I'm sure he is fitter, faster, and more supple than 99% of the population of any age if he could do that again now that would be quite some achievement I think. Even with safety lines.
Yeah, this is like, we are getting sued for billions of dollars and directors are going to jail bad.

So my bet is either they lied about how they are using customer data, covered up a massive data breach or something similar to that. The only thing that's a bit hard to figure there is how specific this is to Altman. A big scandal would be leaking out I would think and more people would be getting fired.
Was there any reason for controversy? What happened was that the pop sci press and online communities ran with work that hadn’t been verified and they were perfectly aware that it wasn’t
Elegant-cli's author's mistake was not including a full-text copy of your MIT license (which has your name) in the repository (his own MIT license does not count as a "proxy"). That is precisely what the MIT license requires, and hence a direct non-compliance by Elegant-cli.

However, the MIT license does not dictate how Outstatic should be mentioned in Elegant-cli's marketing materials (like their website or README file).

Though poor etiquette, it is permissible for Elegant-cli to not mention you or Outstatic anywhere else, so long as full-text license copy with your name is included in the repository.

If you needed that kind of attribution, you should have picked something like the BSD-4-Clause (https://spdx.org/licenses/BSD-4-Clause) or MIT-advertising (https://spdx.org/licenses/MIT-advertising.html) licenses, instead of the MIT license.
This sounds so naive, maybe google Worldcoin?

A person I've known all my life I could swear and trust him with anything was found out to have violated extremely young children and other stuff.

Stop pretending you know people, people don't even know themselves.
I think steam is been such a cash cow for them that they gave up on game development.
What’s NeXT?
Nepal says it will ban TikTok, citing effect on 'social harmony'
> I know I won't get a lot of love for this, but Sam is a really good person. I don't know him well, but I've known him since long before OpenAI.

"Good" is too blurry of a description, and I don't know Sam, but one thing I've learned (the hard way) is that you don't truly know someone unless you've had conflicts of interest with them and found mutually satisfying resolutions to them. If all you've had is mutually beneficial interactions, then of course everyone's going to be nice - it's in everyone's interests. You need to see how they act on nontrivial conflicts (either handling present ones, or mitigating/averting future ones) to really know if someone is a genuinely good person or not.

While this could hypothetically happen within an hour of meeting someone, it's more likely to take years or even decades... or might never even happen.
Surviving in California: The Cost of Living in the Golden State
This is google's MO, it's why I won't use any of their products anymore
How so? You're not thinking of OneCoin perhaps?
You just never know when HN is going to prefer to editorialize the title... I was under the impression it was a very strict rule!
I question how true that is at this point. Even Starlink seems pretty suitable for most remote work scenarios at this point. (Though TBF Starlink is a game-changer in that respect. My brother's house would have been very marginal for remote working before Starlink came along.)
How do these board members relate to Microsoft's holdings? Is Microsoft making a play here?

Honestly have no idea, but I'm sure a shift of control could cause this.
Global Greenhouse Gas Emissions Data
NYC average daily jail population has been decreasing almost continuously for the last 30 years. Conditions at Riker's Island are much more to do with the problems between the civilian oversight function and the COs unions than they are to do with an actual excess of inmates with respect to cells etc.
Already being discussed in https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38309611
@dang after things calm down I'd love to see some stats on whether this was the fastest upvoted story ever. Feels like it's breaking some records, along with the server.
Is the Pi 4 so different in this regard?

It has more flexibility in what it boots from and so on, but ThreadX and so on are still involved.

I was told that the Pi 5 is significantly different, but not the 4. Are you perhaps mixing them up?
So you're saying that illegal immigration isn't really the problem?
I disagree. Ask a panel of expert JS developers how something should be done and you'll get as many opinions as their are seats on the panel. In regulation it's the same but the decisions affect human lives and businesses that employ people.

Experts aren't unbiased either. It is nice when the experts you like are in power but what happens when someone else comes in?
Well that's the thing about it - it mostly appears to be there, but often proves to be immature. Meaning it technically works, but most of them are inflexible, single-person projects that occasionally completely redo their API. They work their way, and good luck if you want to do anything slightly different, and unpredictable things might happen if you try to combine several things together. Not exactly confidence-inspiring to base an important production web app upon.

Tracing appears to work, but I was trying to get OpenTelemetry trace IDs into our log messages with a custom layer, which I needed anyways to match our standardized output format that every other web app in every other language can be set up to log as. I still haven't figured out how to get the current OTel TraceID in the context of Layer.on_event - there's like 4 different ways that look like they ought to work, but none of them actually do.

I wanted to set up Prometheus metrics as well. I hadn't dug too deep into that one, but it didn't seem clear what the best / most mature crates were for that or how they'd integrate with everything else.

I was able to put together a Tower Layer for our custom internal request signing system - good on them for having a standardized middleware system, though it'd be nice if more of the Rust HTTP ecosystem actually used it. I think Rocket still doesn't. It was also rather a struggle to figure out how to do things I would expect to be basic, like process the request body in the context of a Layer middleware while still leaving it available to downstream Layers and the final request handler.
Not regular money

I think it could be transferring of OpenAI’s assets to other entities.

It is scandalous for sure
> I invented a saying to describe this common occurrence: "Sometimes the cover-up is worse than the crime."

This concept and phrasing was common at least as early as the Watergate Scandal in 1974.
> And to say that "the bus should always come" is not exactly an argument in favour of transit. We all know the damn bus should come. But sometimes, it just doesn't.

A big reason that the bus doesn't come is that it's gotten stuck in traffic. As in, behind cars. Give the buses their own space so they don't get stuck behind cars and they can be a whole lot more reliable.

Of course, since we've handed over essentially all our street space to cars already, doing so involves taking some space away from them, and drivers will scream about that.
I wonder if it is related to this: [Microsoft briefly restricted employee access to OpenAI’s ChatGPT, citing security concerns](https://www.cnbc.com/2023/11/09/microsoft-restricts-employee...)
https://x.com/teddyschleifer/status/1725624511519666418?s=61...

Just something he retweeted long ago
8km is about 20-35 minutes on a bike depending on infrastructure, I am sure it is zero minutes in many places due to lack of infrastructure. It is extremely cheap to build, and fast, look at Paris it is rapidly becoming a more bicycle friendly city, it is still carmagedon though.
Right, I'm not sure exactly what it is, but car ownership in the US seems to have been subsidized. You should be allowed to have a car if you want and not be taxed unfairly for it, but it shouldn't be that almost every job basically requires one. And to get there, I don't think we have to ban things or restrict people's lives, just build new cities less around cars and let people choose that life if they want.
I just got an email saying they're moving to pre-paid billing... Seems like Sam Altman might've hidden some very large financial costs that the board just discovered?
Some might say a little too close.
I would guess Altman has scores of companies wanting to hire him,
no matter what happened.

How do you find the next CEO?
Are there good people to pick from internally?
Altman was a public face for the company.
Replacing him will be difficult.
That's the way of the world.
See, SBF
Didn't even know there was such an application. On Linux I use the browser plugin and occasionally the webbased interface.
What? Are you implying this happened here? Or just being weird?
3!

And intentionally designed to destroy communities that were experiencing very high economic growth and an easy way to implement redlining and segregation.
Expected impact on OpenAI products?

I don't want to build a business with their stuff and then find OpenAI shifts direction.
Yep. Ilya + the CEO of Quora + some AI governance/policy academic + the wife of an actor, together ousted Sam.
I doubt they are financially hosed.

I don't know about the Skynet because it has happened 26 years before [1] but I imagine NSA, the Military, and other government agencies approached the company.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terminator_2:_Judgment_Day
No idea, but it's important to note that Brockman is still at the company. Just no longer Chairman.

Maybe he's not involved in this, but it's a "you should have known" type of thing? Really no idea...
AGI is not the lowest probability here
What if they have AGI and the board just found out?
I love such what-ifs that are nearly impossible!
The board in question is the non-profit board.

If Sam was pursuing profits or growth (even doing a really good job of it) in a way that violated the objectives set by the non-profit board, that could set up this kind of situation.
It was obvious Sam was a creep and anyone not in the tech world said he weirded them out when they saw him in interviews. If you impose that kind of guy feeling on people, it's for a reason.

Edit: I didn't even know he molested his sister when I wrote my post: https://twitter.com/phuckfilosophy/status/163570439893983232...
So, to summarize the speculations:

That the board is unhappy with his for profit and moat building charted path.

That this is about his sister.

That he pissed off microsoft.

That he did something illegal, financially.

That he has been lying about costs/profit.

That he lied about copyrighted training data.

I will add: maybe he's not aggressive enough in pursuit of profit.
I'm afraid there's no way up from leading OpenAI as it published ChatGPT. The past year was historical.
Lionsgate has now followed suit.

Today's a good day to no longer be a publicly-traded company under the symbol TWTR, because they'd be taking a bath on this news.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-11-17/lionsgate...
They need to come clean on what’s going on. Investors won’t like this at all
> While the company has experienced dramatic growth, it remains the fundamental governance responsibility of the board to advance OpenAI’s mission and preserve the principles of its Charter.

To me, this sounds like Altman did something probably illegal to try and generate more profit, and the board wasn't willing to go along with it.
when 100+B model hallucinates, that's a problem but a mistral 7b (qk_4 around 4gb file ) does this have prams to encode information to be hallucination proof, since llm cannot know what they do not know.

So maybe we should be building smaller model with ability that we use their generation abilities not their facts but instead teach them t query over another knowledge base system (reverse RAG) for facts.
Sam Altman had no equity in OpenAI https://www.cnbc.com/2023/03/24/openai-ceo-sam-altman-didnt-...

He confirmed it verbally as well in his May 2023 hearing in Congress https://twitter.com/thesamparr/status/1658554712151433219?la...
Other women could have come forward.
Who said anything about Brockman?
The board discovered that the process `GPT5-training` that has been running for months on their über-datacenter was actually mining bitcoins.
Pour one out for Andrew. They did many things that didn't scale that customers loved them for, and then couldn't scale. They burned lots of cash on outside sales, i.e., flying a rep from another city to visit a potential client small restaurant. And being a publicly-traded company is often more trouble than it's worth.

PS: I used to live in a van on the street near the PA HQ. Someone there had a tiny trailer in the parking lot but I couldn't tell if were living it or just storing it.
Extra strange that there is no spin here.
Which podcast episode was this?
If you have money and connections, the laws of the plebs are no longer relevant. You essentially have a right to keep and bear arms anywhere on Earth if you're rich enough.
(I have edited to clarify.)
> I'm a little confused, as that doesn't seem to block on my machine?

Me too.

I routinely run emacs on a Raspberry Pi IV building large rust projects

Blocking has never been an issue

I bury the compilation buffer and carry on as usual

The main problem I have is too many options and possibilities

I think a better thing to do is organise all the third party packages with decent documentation

The documentation in the package ecosystem ranges from barely adequate to woeful with the emphasis on the latter
He let the AI out of the box.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garden_leave
He has basically trained himself to say this though. It' basically all he says consistently.

He is probably in shock.
Didn't OpenAI close new ChatGPT Plus signups just 2 days ago? Strange coincidence in timing... Maybe the board just learned that costs were wildly over what Sam told them? I guess we'll find out...
US pedestrians die at a higher rate than elsewhere but not because you have a lot more vehicle miles, it's down to the appalling quality of the roads (design construction, and maintenance), the shockingly casual attitude to drinking and driving, and the fact that so many US vehicles are pedestrian hostile.

But all of those things seem to be an expression of the US majority way of thinking. That is what needs changing; if you don't pedestrians will still be run over by drunk drivers, etc.
Sunday service has always been particularly important to the New York City public libraries. Andrew Carnegie’s original deal always was, he would find the construction of the branches the libraries would run the branches, and the city would fund the branches with seven-day service. For a while. the Carnegie branches open seven days a week, even as they had to follow through on cutbacks at the non-Carnegie branches.

But that ship sailed long ago. Very few were still able to offer Sunday service before this:

- NYPL (Manhattan/Bronx/Staten Island): 8/92 sites

- Brooklyn Public Library: 8/66 sites

- Queens Public Library: 2/66

(Yes, there are three separate public library systems for New York City. They pre-date the consolidation of the city and no matter how hard folks have tried every study on consolidating the three systems into a single organization, winds up costing significantly more than the current status quo.)
Turns out, there's no such thing as an LLM, it's all been a hustle with a low-paid army of writers in Kenya that Sama and gdb have been giving iv meth to.
The thread seems to be got picked up only last month given the timestamps of majority of comments and reposts were made. If the board decided to make an investigation, it'd be the timing to fire Altman.
Perhaps he had altruistic visions that didn't align with the boards desire to prioritize profits over all else. Cautiously optimistic.
> You mentioned there is a subset, but the subsets described is still a way to identify the group of people.

A subset of the actions or interests, not a subset of the group of people (the latter would, indeed, be just a different group of people, but isn't what I said.)

> If people somehow magically disappeared, the corporate entity would disappear at the exact same time – it's the same thing.

No, its not the same thing.

If North America disappeared, all the piles of dog feces in North America would also disappear, but the piles of dog feces are not the same thing as North America.
I've got to say it really doesn't surprise me that the guy behind the worldcoin scam may have been operating in less than scrupulous ways in his other endeavors.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worldcoin
Which car did you purchase?
What caught my eye was her claim about events when she was 4 years old. Just doesn't seem old enough for the memories and their interpretations to be reliable. I had 2 close encounters with UFO when I was 7-8 years old. Very vivid memories which I believed were 100% true until my thirties.
Kickbacks from Microsoft would be my guess.
I wonder if there is any connection between this and the decision to turn off new paid accounts a couple days ago.
This is plausible to me, there's no way anyone is making money from my $20 subscription I use ALL DAY LONG.
Sam worked with Andrew Ng at Stanford on ML: https://twitter.com/AndrewYNg/status/1699808792047960540 / https://archive.is/pJiF7
Either that or he refused to do something that would bring a quick money grab. 50/50 as far as I'm concerned.
Ted Chiang's piece here is great:

https://www.newyorker.com/tech/annals-of-technology/chatgpt-...

I think he underrates ChatGPT and LLMs a little too much, but it's the best counterpoint to AI hype/doomerism I've read.
His behaviors seem more like personal coping dysfunction to me. Maybe it was more beneficial in the past where everyone else was making their volume, but here it mostly just burns future good will, and for what?

No one is going to have a lot to sell this year, but people who would have bought a US EV when capacity normalizes are going to buy a Chinese EV because he has bothered to make this personal connection that overrides any abstract ethical concerns.
Again, they are on track.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38307749

It's like an airplane under development. It's not expected to fly yet.
Brah, maybe you should try some WORRY BEADS. People find them relaxing.

Embrace the reality that Volvo builds lots of electric heavy vehicles. You'll feel better.

Hang in there. Tesla deprogramming takes patience and time.
If this were the case, it would be newsworthy in itself. Every strike involves the membership voting on whether they will. I'd wager it is 99%+ of union bylaws. Additionally, it is in NLRB laws (I know this is in Sweden), but given that US union laws are some of the weaker in the developed world...

> the Smith-Connally Act requires 30-day notice of an intention to strike and required that the National Labor Relations Board (NLRB) conduct a secret-ballot vote among the members of the bargaining unit on the major issues in bargaining prior to the strike.

Source: https://ecommons.cornell.edu/server/api/core/bitstreams/bf5d...

A union leadership that says "We know you guys are totally happy but you know what, you have to strike anyway" is not leadership that stays long - even if they have the ability to unilaterally to do so.

You might see it as a cop out, but I'd argue the onus is on you to show that there was no vote, and workers are happy but having to strike anyway.

https://www.google.com/search?q=can+a+union+strike+without+a...
Yeah, this is like, we are getting sued for billions of dollars and directors are going to jail bad.

So my bet is either they lied about how they are using customer data, covered up a massive data breach or something similar to that.
Tax on a 4 bedroom house in Silicon Valley bought recently probably runs about $20,000 per year on average. Granted this is one of the highest in the US but I don't know anyone with property tax that low.
Can I theoretically buy a 4090 and rent it out to some cloud?
I don't use Twitter, nor do I really pay attention to Sam Altman, but the allegations of abuse are things I've seen covered.

Your use of "crazy abuse allegations" is strange to me as well. I hardly see any of her allegations as being "crazy".

Here's a collection of things she's said about the abuse.

https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/QDczBduZorG4dxZiW/sam-altman...
Didn’t OpenAI close signups for plus a couple of days ago? Could they be connected in some way?
They're not cheap, but they're not _that_ expensive compared to buying four NVLink'd Nvidia cards with a combined similar amount of VRAM. Plus you get a whole computer with it and you don't have to worry about casings and power supplies, etc. But yeah, you will be more compute constrained if you go down that route.
I have to guess the bulk of the cost is being eaten by MS in exchange for the exclusive ability to resell the model.
demo: https://youtu.be/cIMGaOHLgzk?si=suB8oCVSO8XFGgr1
That is an amazing commercial.

The dynamic steering is too