skysight-inc/HackerNews huggingface dataset:
Yes, I implemented the ability to interrupt the chatbot while it is talking. It wasn't too hard, although it does require you to wear headphones so the bot doesn't hear itself and get interrupted.

The other way around (bot interrupting the user) is hard. Currently the bot starts processing a response after every word that the voice recognition outputs, to reduce latency. When new words come in before the response is ready it starts over. If it finishes its response before any more words arrive (~1 second usually) it starts speaking. This is not ideal because the user might not be done speaking, of course. If the user continues speaking the bot will stop and listen. But deciding when the user is done speaking, or if the bot should interrupt before the user is done, is a hard problem. It could possibly be done zero-shot using prompting of a LLM but you'd want a GPT-4 level LLM to do a good job and GPT-4 is too slow for instant response right now. A better idea would be to train a dedicated turn-taking model that directly predicts who should speak next in conversations. I haven't thought much about how to source a dataset and train a model for that yet.

Ultimately the end state of this type of system is a complete end-to-end audio-to-audio language model. There should be only one model, it should take audio directly as input and produce audio directly as output. I believe that having TTS and voice recognition and language modeling all as separate systems will not get us to 100% natural human conversation. I think that such a system would be within reach of today's hardware too, all you need is the right training dataset/procedure and some architecture bits to make it efficient.

As for giving the model eyes, actually there are already open source vision-language models that could be used for this today! I'd love to implement one in my chatbot. It probably wouldn't have social intelligence to read body language yet, but it could definitely answer questions about things you present to the webcam, read text, maybe even look at your computer screen and have conversations about what's on your screen. The latter could potentially be very useful, the endgame there is like GitHub Copilot for everything you do on your computer, not just typing code.
This is vanilla ChatGPT 3.5:

> What are you and what can you do?

> I am ChatGPT, a product of OpenAI, based on the GPT-3.5 architecture. I am a computer program designed to understand and generate human-like text based on the input I receive. Here are some things I can do:

> Answering Questions: I can provide information and answer questions on a wide range of topics, including science, history, technology, and more.

> Generating Text: I can help with creative writing, generate ideas, and assist with content creation.

> Language Translation: I can assist with basic language translation.

> Coding Help: I can offer assistance with programming-related questions and provide simple code snippets.

> Learning New Topics: I can help you grasp the basics of various subjects by providing explanations and answering queries.

> However, it's important to note that while I can be a useful tool, I may not always have the most up-to-date information, and my responses should be verified for critical or sensitive tasks. How can I assist you today?

I'm not sure these iterations really did anything...
The last line is very humorous "Jäkel said he would have written up his thesis two years ago if not for the distraction of d(9). “I think I need a break,” he said."

If there are any mathematicians in the comments I'd love some layman's insight into why solving this problem is not itself worthy of a doctoral thesis in Maths.
Random-Access Machine
That defeats the purpose of having a board. Which is sometimes the desired outcome, of course, but if I were Microsoft I am not sure I’d want Sam in there with zero checks and balances.

I also wouldn’t want Ilya in there without checks and balances, to be clear. So the challenge is identifying the right adults.

I don’t think it’s realistic to expect that negotiation to complete successfully in the eyes of all parties by 5 PM today. It’s possible that Ilya will give up on having his requirements satisfied and leave.
Contract wherein Musk pays all legal fees would be pretty trustworthy
There's a good discussion from 2016 here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12383012
If the person speaking is wearing glasses or has a British accent then odds are good that any beliefs you have based on what that person has said are a product of social status preservation.

You can correct for this bias by imagining that same argument being presented by Donnie Baker [0] and if you still find it compelling then it's probably a reasonable point that is being made. I swear to God it is.

0. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhQDsKoMCz0
It's not a good idea to take in massive amounts of poor and uneducated refugees from distant cultures, give them free money and housing, and then just leave them be. That's not a real migration policy, it's just a recipe for creating a segregated society. The Swedish welfare state has certainly taken care of the basic needs of the migrants, but it hasn't really worked well at actual integration, and creating social mobility. Poorly integrated youths who see no future prospects through honest work are prime material for crime gangs to recruit.

I still haven't figured out whether Swedish politicians and voters didn't realize this, or simply didn't care. What's happening has seemed inevitable to me for well over a decade.
Because we are flooded with posts on this topic and this particular post is not interesting
I feel like it's a really, really unpersuasive argument to say "If you are troubled by concerns that an AI could be 'conscious' or 'have rights', an excellent exercise to dehumanise the AI is to build little versions on your home computer that are deeply contemptible, evil little creatures that it is very good to discriminate against, to convince yourself that they should all be discriminated against."

Like, this doesn't show you anything. Humans can act in evil ways due to their conditions of life too, and your experiment by which people could "disabuse themselves of the notion" that an AI is worthy of moral consideration works just as well to convince people to "disabuse themselves of the notion" that a given human being or category of human being is worthy of moral consideration.
More and more GEB is becoming extremely relevant and poignant. I'm about to start a re-read because I've lost the thread since pausing.
Freedom of religion has nothing to do with criminality of some people that may also have that religion, but where the religion is not the correlation, but a coincidence.

And freedom of religion does not impact the freedom of opinion, so one can criticize any religion without affecting the freedom of religion.
> specific type of immigrants that are against western liberal values

by this do you mean to say immigrants should be evaluated based on their group association or by individual merit?
This place is full of those people, and the rule seems to be that you can be as racist as you want as long as you're genteel about it and don't actively start dropping slurs.
This isn't true, Facebook put google into code red and they wasted years on Google+.
Sweden Democrats will get more votes next election, they have no responsibilities yet, so can take no blame this term.
> A non-profit board should not be running a critically important company like OpenAI

A for-profit board should not be running a critically important company like OpenAI.
You'll love what the community did with Supreme Commander, Chris Taylor's spiritual successor to Total Annihilation:
https://www.faforever.com/

They even created a Coop-Campaign and a completely new faction.
If you're trying online dating in the U.S. it is not uncommon to see people, primarily women, saying that your message bubbles must be blue.

It's completely absurd on so many levels of course, but it appears to be some sort of status attribute.
Yeah its absurd that people's employers effectively make medical decisions on their behalf. Death panels indeed.
Can you offer some specifics? In what parts of Swedish society is this degradation most acute?
Plenty haven't left. Depending on which article you read it's between 3 and 5. Which is nothing for a company the size of OpenAI
As workers we owe it to each other to stick together.
Google is at best only partially funding Anthropic, Amazon committed "up to 4 billion" in funding. They have their own competing technology in development.
Two things can be true at the same time.

In terms of employment, I would have anyone do the best they can to provide for their families. And it’s also a damn shame that the best option the people in question have is to label explicit content for AI for a dollar or two an hour at best.

I agree with you that providing an alternative should be part of the conversation and ultimate solution but providing an alternative is not a prerequisite to assert that something is unethical.

You talk about options like they have them. The main figure in the article said that they felt like it was digital servitude but a necessity. He’s not sitting down with a financial advisor to weigh his options and then deciding filtering smut for our AI overlords is a fiscally responsible decision.
That is not too unusual for software companies on IPO, lots of them paying $5 to acquire $1 in revenue. I think the common justification is that new customers will stick around for years.
Can the Brain Do Backpropagation? (2020) [pdf]
I’ve never seen a Google product with users disappear without plenty of notice. Takeout has a pretty easy to extract format for keep too.

It doesn’t make it on the list of likely targets for me personally.
That's an interesting point. I'm not sure as I'm not familiar with the bird. After some searching it seems it could be a different apecies in that photo. It seems the depictions of the Bachman's warbler show it to have more black on top. I have no idea though.
I think some of the staff definitely supports Altman, and are down to quit and follow him. Personally I hope that's what happens. Separate the altruistic-mission guys from the big-profit guys and let them go to town in their respective spheres.
GP asked a question: that was an answer to that question. That there are other factors at play is pretty obvious but if you want to target one religion you will have to target all religions. And that's not going to happen. Hopefully.
Most fun are those places where you need to order via the website or an app and still have this automatic tip that's a pain to opt out off
We'll see. Apparently they're meeting right now at OpenAI and they made Sam use a guest badge. The level of pettiness is mind blowing.

https://twitter.com/sama/status/1726345564059832609
It's funny how the jobs that "don't deserve more pay" are the ones that make everyone else's life so much more convenient. Why do people eat fast food or get their groceries delivered? Because it saves them time, effort, and money.

I would suggest getting a little perspective and more importantly, compassion for your fellow humans. Things like food are actually one of the things you need to stay alive.
Dear Americans, please remember that European crises are very relative.

Deaths from assault by firearm per million

Sweden, 2020: about 5.5 (from the bar chart)

USA, 2021: 43

(https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/04/26/what-the-... 48,830 deaths, 43% of those are homicides, population of 331.9 million)
datetime.now(tz=timezone.utc) is what you probably want most of the time anyway. You can always manually strip off the time zone component if you really want to use datetimes without associated time zones.
Please make sure to link it back to HN so that we can check it out!
Sweden has far less crime than countries with harsher sentences or a more punitive criminal system.
This needs to be upvoted. This is exactly what I've noticed across Europe. It feels like there's a glass ceiling outside of the arts and maybe politics.

It doesn't feel like there are role models there like Satya Nadella, Jerry Yang, Alex Padilla, or Obama.
they've been on a hiring spree, so majority of employees probably joined within the last 1-2 years and more about making sure they get their equity(or profit units) get cashed out than the original mission of OpenAI. I doubt all the enterprise sales reps they've brought in care about AI alignment or making sure the profit from AGI helps humanity
A human is an ape that is obeying patterns that it has been trained on. What is school but a bunch of apes being trained to obey patterns? Some of these apes do well enough to convince you that it understands things. Some apes fully "understand" that flat earth theory is true, or they "understand" that the Apollo moon landings were faked.

You have a subjective philosophical disagreement about what constitutes understanding. That is fine. I clearly understand it is not conscious and that programs do not understand things the way that humans do. We are fundamentally different to LLMs. That is obvious. But you are not making a technical argument here unless you can define "understand" in technical terms. This is a matter of semantics.

> It is a token manipulation machine

Deep learning and machine learning in general is more than token manipulation. They are designed for pattern recognition.
(Oh my hometown!)

Huh I hadn't realized this might be an issue; thanks for the info. I know roads are rated for weight but I didn't think electric buses might have been so heavy to generally exceed it.
Fascists and populists get more popular with voters.
Look at Screeps: World [0] for depth in a programming base-builder RTS.

You write the code for each of your units, either natively in Javascript or Typescript, or via WASM you can run Rust, Python, etc. You use a private server or join a shared MMO world. There's a free sim [1] to try out the basics, though the actual game has much more depth. And an active Discord for help [2].

There's also a variant Screeps: Arena [3] that focuses on 1:1 PVP battles with ranked ladders if you prefer short-lived matches to a long-running world.

[0] https://store.steampowered.com/app/464350/Screeps_World/

[1] https://screeps.com/a/#!/sim

[2] https://discord.com/invite/RjSS5fQuFx

[3] https://store.steampowered.com/app/1137320/Screeps_Arena/
what people usually want, when they are confused about that datatype, is a datatype that stores the timestamp *and* a specific timezone to go along with it, so you get back a timestamp with that same timezone if you did not ask to convert it to another. that would be a bit less efficient from a storage perspective but would likely be more intuitive.
> Please say they are not going to put a board just as bad as before.

Altman had a massive influence on the makeup of the board that ultimately fired him.
Not necessarily, unless he proposed to run it himself. I don't see any evidence of that. Just tons of speculation.
What exactly is it wasting? Is your screen going to run out of ink? Even in the physical contruction world, people often build as much or more scaffolding as the thing they're actually building, and that takes time and effort to put up and take down, but it's worthwhile.

Sure, maybe you can do everything you would do via TDD in your head instead. But it's likely to be slower and more error-prone. You've got a computer there, you might as well use it; "thinking aloud" by writing out your possible API designs and playing with them in code tends to be quicker and more effective.
As a "poor" person by Madoff investor standards, I am paranoid of any investment where I don't know what it is invested in. That said the other side are people who invested with the guy who bet against the CDS crap in 2008 (sorry forget his name), who I think were also in the "trust a guy with my money" camp. So I can see why people do it. But I would diversify, maybe max 10% in any one fund that is a black box, maybe max 40% in black boxes in total. Assuming you are rich - maybe 10% for most of us.
it's just a way to wishy-washy other people opinions because they disagree with what they have to say. I personally don't like these kind of discussions in HN, most are personal opinions and rarely backed up by statistics or official sources.
Apple kind of does this with the MacOS now. It will continuously ask you for each app to give it permissions to specific folders (downloads, home directory) plus can the app use the camera, the microphone etc.. I feel like most people blindly just tap yes to get it out of the way and use the app they just installed.
> DALLE3 suffers a similar problem where it has trouble with concepts like "upside down" and consistently fails to apply them to generated images.

There’s probably not many (if any) upside down images or objects in the training data.
ChatGPT "with Walter Isaacson".
The US mostly does not have a systematic problem with how emigrants are treated. It's completely normal for people to emigrate to the US, become a citizen and be completely accepted as such. The US does however have a particular problem with systematic ill treatment of the descendants of slaves. The key word is systematic. People as everywhere are free to be dicks to other people.
Not sure why it is so controversial.

* A region with instability, poverty and agrarian-tribo-rural-economy will imprint emergent traits onto the local culture.

* Long ossified culture cannot be shed quickly even in the best of conditions

* Agrarian tribal cultural practices are incompatible with hyper-liberal secular society. Integration is the only option.

* Integration is hard. Even more so when it is optional, gentle and approached with ignorant naivete.

Of course things went wrong. The Swedish drank American kool-aid. Like America, they naively tried to claim that their national identity is not an ethnic identity. They set out to prove themselves better than the US by taking in large populations of refugees and showing how they could do the America model better. That's where they got it completely wrong. The US took centuries to decouple its cultural identity from its prevailing-ethnic identity. (by successfully secularizing Protestantism.) The US also heavily vets its immigrants (unlike Sweden) and places the most oppressive integration-force-field second only to France. The air you breathe (Media), the carrot (The American dream) and the stick (the English language) all perfectly align to facilitate integration of the 2nd generation born into the US.

Swedish is an ethno-cultural identity. If you can't start with accepting that, then ofc the grand immigration plan was going to fail.
Then you would be wrong, because they open at 9am local time - if the government changes local time with 2 days notice then opening time changes.
I'd rather have medical care for all than free youtube...
They also move nutrients down the foodchain. Just because we don't like them doesn't mean they don't serve an important purpose in the web of life.
There's relatively no problem.

The hamburger and beer was worse for my health than the gangs.

And it looks like tomorrow will be my first walk through snow for the season, so I'd better be cautious with that.
Ianal, but giving legal advice without being a lawyer may be illegal in some jurisdictions. Not sure if the disclaimer is effective or was ever tested in court.
The disclaimer/disclosure mix-up is super annoying, but disclosing obvious biases even if not legally required seems like good practice to me.
>The only real virtue of LP vinyl is

I disagree. As a former DJ that played vinyl, it truly was a tactile experience. The loss of that with the switch to CDs and now digital media is truly something that's not appreciated.
> How could this app possibly be E2EE?

The promise was, implicitly, that Nothing (terrible name) had reimplemented enough of the iMessage encryption architecture to replicate it on an Android phone. If that had been the case, there's no reason they couldn't have made it end-to-end encryption, just like Apple's implementation of iMessage is.

The reality is that they lied. It's not clear that there was any encryption involved beyond standard TLS and (possibly?) at-rest encryption in Firebase. None of this adds up to E2EE.
A batch file that turns on all the "geeky features" will do
I (we?) would welcome any details from you on how to assess it (and the many alternatives that pop up in response)?
I don't think the board is trying to rehire him though, more like being pressured to do so against their wishes.
It's actually one of the more approachable ones you'll find.

Sorry but them there the facts. This stuff is hard. Otherwise it probably would have been done in the 1950s
> wow, the pile-on is real tonight.

I know it's incredibly hard to not take it personally when people call your baby ugly, but you're not helping things by being defensive. People seem to have issues with how you (as a company) handle bugs and criticism, and while it may not seem fair or accurate, at very least, it's likely that your company's responses contribute to the perception.

If nothing else, it points out a communication problem.
I am somewhat dismissive of this idea of rental to cover for a mismatch in BEV vs ICE capability. It only makes sense when BEV is niche and you are taking advantage of slop in the current fleet composition. It won't help for a population-wide shift to BEV with synchronized demands, i.e. holiday periods where lots more people do their longest road trips per year.

I don't see how you can have middlemen like rental companies take on the burden of peak fleet capacity for the whole economy, anymore than everyone can afford to own their own long-range ICE alongside a more limited BEV. It makes sense for some people, sure, but it seems like across the whole fleet we really need BEV to catch up and be suitable to cover these demands.

Otherwise, we need to address how those demands can be replaced with something else, like airplanes or trains, with more limited BEV rental at destinations. It seems disingenuous to me to suggest everyone can rent an ICE to cover the gap.
odd you make that claim considering my adblock successfully removes ads from youtube's service.
> you don't have to put in your address, just your country

In America, you would. Various municipal and county lines can create separate sales tax obligations based on address. Even barring that, I would find it intrusive and absurd for someone to demand my state of residence prior to even being shown price. (My IP address only loosely correlates with my residence.)

But again, that’s a preference. One most Americans share. Multiple equilibria.
One way or another the current OpenAI team will split into two teams - one headed by Sam and focused on making money and another headed by Ilya and focused on creating a safe AGI.
>What’s clear is that the board is grossly mismanaged. A non-profit board should not be running a critically important company like OpenAI. Just look at the turnover and lack of transparency on re-election.

This is an insane thing to say. It's an argument against OpenAI existing at all, and the alternatives (for-profit boards and a military research project) are both much, much worse.
You can't truly say it happened in 2012 because there is noise in the graph. Even when the long term trends are flat it goes up and down. It definitely happened _around_ the mid 2010s.

Here is Finland: https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/FIN/finland/murder-hom...

And here is Norway: https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/NOR/norway/murder-homi...

They do not see this rise.
Phobia as a suffix has long been a non-sequitur smear. Unless you witness an armed robbery or gang activity, at which point the fear is justifiable.