skysight-inc/HackerNews huggingface dataset:
He means that if he starts saying a bunch of what he really thinks, openAI should sue him for all of his openai shares, which is $0, so sarcasm
Interviewing takes time and effort, so it's best to focus your energy on promising leads. A strong endorsement from a person who worked with a candidate is a very promising signal. Without getting into the possible whys, "this stranger contacted me on LinkedIn instead of applying via the normal channels" usually isn't.

Of course, depends on how your pipeline looks like. But most tech job reqs get a lot of applications and passive leads.
The joke is that he doesn't own any OpenAI shares.

[1] https://www.cnbc.com/2023/03/24/openai-ceo-sam-altman-didnt-...
Thank you, this was very helpful. I was beginning to feel overwhelmed by the volume of information and opinions.
"Evidence" is used 7 times in the body of the article, "proof" only once. This is a case of the headline not corresponding to the body of the text. The text itself makes some good points about the models of the time and sometimes their lack of supporting evidence. As does throw0101b's timeline in the comment here.
sounds like it validates that this is about him pursuing profit too hard / inappropriately.

He's sarcastically pointing out that he has no personal profit motive.
You hire the guy they just kicked out!
and the lesson the ousted ones learn for their next incarnation is to create organizations that allow for more control and more flexibility in board arrangements. I run a 501c3 as well, there are limitations in board composition in that entity type

nothing tone deaf about that, they wanted a for profit and are going to make one now and want leave the same vector open

Reread it as not being a comment about OpenAI it was about the lesson learned by every onlooker and the ousted execs
Aren't director boards majoritarian? Isn't the whole point that the board has the power? A coup or power grab would be if the CEO managed to convince a minority of the board to work in the CEO's favor, to the detriment of the majority. I'm not even sure how that would work.
Never, Elon despised Sam's pivot from non-profit to for-profit. He invested 100M in the beginning.
It's a joke. He owns no shares.
sure. he could have been invited, but also not attended.
Pardon my ignorance, but can a non-profit sold for shareholders’ benefit?
And I can cite tons of other AI experts who disagree with that. Even the people you listed have a much more nuanced opinion compared to the batshit insane AI doomerism that is common in some circles. So why compare it to climate change that has an overwhelming scientific consensus? That's quite a dishonest way to frame the debate.
This is one reddit ass response. lol
My take on that, with some background...

When one FAANG was very young, I knew a non-computers researcher who'd heard of the company and wanted to work there. But I figured that the company was still at the stage that they thought they only needed computer people and a few business people. (So I'd expect the non-computer researcher's resume, submitted cold, to be shredded by HR after a 1-second glance.)

So I asked a kindly and famously well-connected professor whether they had a contact there. Something like, so the researcher could explain what value they could bring that the company might not yet realize it needed.

Turns out, the professor had a strong connection to one of the top Poobahs at the company, and arranged an introduction for the researcher.

But later, when I wanted to work at that same company myself, and the company asked for a list of people I knew at the company, there were some, but I didn't feel comfortable doing that. Those contacts didn't have that much familiarity with my work, it felt more like an old-boys network or nepotism rather than a justifiable use of connections, and my software engineering resume should've been strong enough to get it in front of someone who could guess that I'd bring useful things.

Going back to the people who cold-contact strangers on LinkedIn for a referral: I'm not sure that's positive signal. It shows some effort, but it could also be seen as trying to game the system, or to abuse an employee's potential conflict of interest when referral bonuses are involved. Surely there are more unambiguously positive signals to be found in that stack of 200 resumes?
You're welcome to your opinion, but I contend that your opinion is part of the problem in open source. Maturity is necessary - it's not "growing complacent" to realize there are better ways to express yourself in 2020+.
+1. The APIs and programmability are there on open models. Heck my M3 Max is churning out answers far more quicker than from GPT-4.

But the quality isn’t nearly as good as GPT. The “hallucinations” from the open models are often annoyingly inferior.
> Not sure if that's true in any other craft.

It isn't, but that may be because other artists don't give out their work for free.
no, I live in a US urban environment and my experience is that most people enjoy doing good and helping others, especially when it is simple and low effort.
Because a lot of instant news is posted there, most of which is fairly up to date, and it's legitimately useful to a lot of us.

You've been complaining about twitter links all day. You don't have to click on them and comment about it if you don't like it. You can just...not do any of that and move on.
its objectively an advantage in control. if thats a goal, then its effective at doing that

the only one inserting bias and emotion into objectivity here is you
There is lack of humility in making such an assertion about a path to AGI.
Pretty useful, thanks!
> This is possible the biggest software development blunder in history

I hate to be that guy, but please google "therac-25".

There's been absolutely no loss of life, just software shittily written. Yes, it's a blunder, but the hyperbole is unwarranted here.
The question is not about shares, it's about what he's going to do.
Uff, so now we have to pick sides. My bet is that Sutskever overestimates his ability to run the company and keep it ahead, and what Altman&Brockman will create will be more successful than openAI medium term. Microsoft will probably hire all the engigners it needs for itself.

It would be interesting if, as a side effect of this bitter breakup, we end up learning more about the internals of GPT4

We shouldn't be worried about the future of Ai. More competition is good
Howdy-doodly-do, how's it going?
Ah, well then it seems I was very mistaken! I'm so sorry about that, I should really do a bit of research next time before posting.
It makes more sense when you realize some people have an extreme distaste for anything made by Facebook. If you want to dislike something bad enough, it's not hard to find/make up reasons to do so
It depends on what you want true value to be.

If true value is monetary value, perhaps it’s true. If true value is scientific value or societal value, well, maybe seeking monetary profits doesn’t align with that.

Disclaimer: I currently work for a not for profit research organisation and I couldn’t care less about making some shareholders more wealthy. If the rumours are true, OpenAI going back to non-profit values and remembering the Open in their name is a good change.
Do you think it’s possible to obtain this performance with Rust?

I’ve been down the path you’re on a few times and I love the pursuit. Have built my own over the years about 4 times.

Hardware was much slower in those days so my lower barrier was 650ns. Things got worse appreciably as a function of the number of producers I found.

Some of my most sleepless nights. The funnest nights.
The sister has been making these accusations for months and nothing happened. What changed today?
The door for a CEO
Huh, that's exactly what I heard about western institutions as well.
Yep. User's like having a single, trusted source for app discovery, installation, etc.

The Mac App Store has failed because Apple didn't make it good enough for developers to make it useful enough to users.
How would the board have lost power?
I guess he could spend more time on Worldcoin, which could be a key part of the metaverse
It looks like it's only down -0.97% in after hours.
disappointing @veec, with this mindset you'll never be in three comma club. /s
That implies that best scientific knowledge may be faulty or even wrong. And in terms of scientism, this is heresy, or "science denial". In the era of Rationalism (TM), if something is not done in the best current knowledge of this moment, in the most efficient way, allocating all available resources for it, you will inevitably be accused of literally murdering people. Even if the next moment it turns out that knowledge was wrong and following it actually led to the actual deaths of people. The ones that followed the BASK are absolved, since they were pure of heart, but those who dissented from BASK, even if post-factum they were proven right objectively, are condemned, since they did it Without Evidence, impurely, and that's the capital sin.

I think this is a consequence of mythologizing the scientific process as being purely following empirical evidence and being moved just by gathering evidence and explaining it in the most convincing form, and whatever the current best one is, must be followed as if it were the truth.
More exposure?
Exactly one year ago OpenAI was nowhere near as known as today.

And that person's tweet chain reeks of speculative elitism.
Nah - He's just joking that if he starts spilling the company secrets behind him getting fired, the board should try to take his shares. The joke of course is that he famously owns zero equity in the company.
If one doesn't do the work now, then it'll soon be too late.
Empathy seems like an obvious candidate for being the root cause.
Without Altman, will Microsoft have invested $10 billion+ in OpenAI?

Sure, he might not be the brains, but will Microsoft have really bet $10b+ on Murati, Ilya, and two nonprofit board hoggers?
I don't see it. Altman does not seem hacker-minded and likely will end up with an inferior product. This might be what led to this struggle. Sam is more about fundraising and getting the word out there but he should keep out of product decisions.
Who knows, money is not the only thing that motivates us. Power, influence, fame, ego etc are the thing that drives people too and can blind them.
>>Only the kind of adult that wrote this blog post actually uses devices that have parental controls enabled, and sees how they actually work.

It seems he is 21 years old :)
"Since I don't own any shares, the board has no power over what I can say and do now."

Is that what he's saying?
I just don't buy the idea that being 0.5 versions and a few months past "oh no your cat has a gun!" equals AGI, the singularity. I don't consider this dishonest or misleading.
Not that I'm a fan of “Open”“AI”, but letting a crook like Altman go can only benefit them. Good move.
Translation....

If I start talking about all the bullshit....what you going to do take away my shares....

He has no shares.....so it's a big fuck you to them....
The moment they lobotomized their flagship AI chatbot into a particular set of political positions the "benefits of all humanity" were out the window.
They should fire Ilya and get you in there
None of that would explain why they accused him of lying to them.
ClosedAI?

> My bet: He’ll have a new company up by Monday.
Mercedes recently did a test across the alps with their 40 tonne truck: https://electrek.co/2023/10/05/a-40-ton-mercedes-benz-e-truc...

As for charging speed, this truck has 0.6 megawatt hour of battery on board. Mercedes used 600 kw chargers. So, that's about 1 hour. There are a few companies working on megawatt chargers for trucks, so that's a number that might come down.

More battery in the truck is possible but also more expensive. And at least in Europe breaks are mandatory every four and half hours anyway. So, the driver might as well plug in while they rest. The battery wouldn't be completely empty by then so it tops up faster.
There is no reason for Altman or Brockman to use the shift key, since as far as OpenAI is concerned they have already lost control.
I suspect he won't do much until the board elaborates.
I've found the companion app to be pretty buggy with quest 3 too, but oddly haven't had a bad time with quest 2
Not if it’s just passively listening device side and sending keywords as they come. Doesn’t necessarily have to record 24/7 and process
The BYD Qin Plus is over $30k in LATAM which makes it a luxury car for the region.
"Jews hate white people" is status quo?
These are age old questions. I don't have answers, and you admit you don't either. Until we find a way, we can't cling to a belief that it is possible.

Incidentally, in the past, great works of art did come out of government funded initiatives (TV shows, etc). In the countries that had such programs, though, I think you'll find a very bipolar distribution. The very few who made high quality art got funded, and the rest had no option to make a living (or even money) for their work.

In places like the US, it's been more of a continuum due to a much larger focus on private funding. It results in the median piece of work to be crappier than in those countries, but a lot more artists actually can make a living as a result.
They left out 7) Ability to explain why anyone who uses "Operationalizing" in a sentence is a bad person or AGI, and should feel bad
Doesn’t matter the engineering approach is still all wrong.

Basic transport in the NEV class is far superior and benefits with tech true innovation.

Bigger heavier more shit to break is what I see Lincoln advertise meanwhile in Texas car payment insurance gas parking tolls (sound familiar?) take a huge chunk of income. It’s dumb. Fix this first.
Where is this coming from? Sam does not have a "great" record as a CEO. In fact, he barely has any records. His fame came from working in YC and then the sky-rocketing of open AI. He is great at fundraising though.
No doubt Sam will have another AI company up in no time.

Which is good!
What I meant is that there are corporate raids of declining/old companies like Sears and K-Mart. Nobody wants to run these companies on their way down, so opportunistic people come along, promise the board the world, cause a lot of chaos, find loopholes to enrich themselves -- then leave the company in a worse state than when they joined.

Apple was a declining company when Jobs came back the second time. He also managed to get the ENTIRE board fired, IIRC. He created a new board of his own choosing.

So in theory he could have raided the company for its assets, but that's obviously not what happened.

By taking $1 salary, he's saying that he intends to build the company's public value in the long term, not just take its remaining cash in the short term. That's not what happens at many declining companies. The new leaders don't always intend to turn the company around.

So in those cases I'd say the CEO is stealing from shareholders, and employees are often shareholders.

On the other hand, I don't really understand Altman's compensation. I'm not sure I would WANT to work under a CEO that has literally ZERO stake in the company. There has to be more to the story.
since most public companies are owned by multi billion dollar hedgefunds, they're not exactly pillars of democracy. and since privately owned businesses are a thing; its really not that big of a deal
Well, to be considered a genius like Steve jobs, you eventually need to return to the company you left – or were ousted from – when it's on the precipice of defeat and then proceed to turn it around.
Interesting interpretation. He maybe signaling that he can start to talk.
Everytime I hear or read about individuals building empires I get the ick. Thanks for pointing out a word for it.
My information here is exactly 0.
It's just vultures eating each other, Altman himself was a vulture (what he did with a supposedly non profit).

But in dog eat dog world, this is really vultures eating each other up, I suppose at this point the most ruthless will be left at the end
And they still are. OpenAI consists of two parts; a non-profit entity which owns the IP, along with the obvious commercialization-focused subsidiary of the company.

My question is: what was stopping both parties here from pursuing parallel paths? — have the non-profit/research oriented arm continue to focus on solving AGI, backed by the funds raised on from their LLM offerings? Were potential roadmaps really that divergent?

I had always assumed this was their internal understanding up until now, since at least the introduction of ChatGPT subscriptions.
> What about those who deny "HIV causing AIDS", and don't take their medications?

You may consider that for the argument "current consensus is not always true and should not be enforced as if it were always true" the argument "but what about this one case where it was true" is not a counter-argument.
Ok let’s be real - there are a lot of smart people at OpenAI - but will they stay?
I doubt the US would let BYD sell cars openly in the US. China related company's no longer have level playing fields in the US.
Funding further development in to AGI in the long term and creating new ways to make people more efficient in the short term?
I trust the developer too, but the developer isn't the only person you must trust when you accept wide ambient permissions. You must also trust the entire supply chain.

I see it as good hygiene to remove wide ambient permissions.
Tire store source tells me it's not just the weight, but many drivers are aggressively regenerative breakers and enjoy their aggressive acceleration as well.

We didn't hear about tire wear as much on the Nissan leaf.

We've taken 5% of cars that had 7+ second 0-60 times and replaced them with 3 second 0-60 cars. And we've removed the most direct cost of that acceleration (fuel).
Non competes are illegal in California (if there is no sale of equity in excess of assets involved).
I had fun trying to solve a puzzle, but was sad when I could not see the correct answer at the end when I inevitably failed to figure it out! Haha.
If it works, so much the better.
This is very off-topic, but I just realized whenever I read your username I picture the janitor Dang from Mr. Young.
Yea, Sam Altman should cater to you at one of the most emotional times of his life.
That may mean that he is telling that nothing is stopping him to start the to talk.
Ok, but it fits so well with "liar, liar, pants on fire" and their reason for dismissal.
I tried it. It looks nice, but audio/video calls didn't work at all between two FluffyChat clients.
They'd probably be better off in purging all reviews and starting from a clean slate.
Tone deaf yet holds up under scrutiny
Interesting, is this how they're currently structured? It sounds a lot like Mozilla with the Mozilla Foundation and Corporation.
Neither apply to myself or thousands, so reevaluate your flawed thinking.
He's probably on Atlas right now starting the company.
He sure took a different take on disagreeing than what Amodei did before him. Amodei quit and built a big challenger, yet Sutskever opt to oust Altman. Weird all in all. I wouldn't rely my business on such a company.
They're usually in the Bylaws. MIRI's Bylaws, iirc 23 years after I wrote them, contain a provision like that.
I imagine he'll head straight to Microsoft, who basically have a fork of the model.

The language in that license agreement is about to become rather important. Numerous lawyers are going to wake up stuck to their sheets tomorrow morning. Not just IP attorneys, but defamation specialists.
Cult of personality is a weak indicator of anything. Since I think thy is just another AI flash in the pan, the third in my lifetime, I'm unconvinced that this point event has any significant outcome beyond perhaps being a marker where significant shareholder value evaporates along with the clothes the new emperors were not wearing.
Because the Chief Scientist let ideology overrule pragmatism. There is always a tension between technical and commercial. That’s a battle that should be fought daily, but never completely won.

This looks like a terrible decision, but I suppose we must wait and see.
Some members really raise questions. What are the qualifications of Helen Toner for such a role? How did she get the seat?
The only hand wringing is coming from white privileged liberals from SV who absolutely cannot fathom that the rest of the world does not want them to control what AI can and cannot say.

You can try framing it as some sort of "bad racists" versus the good and virtuous gatekeepers, but the reality is that it's a bunch of nerds with sometimes super insane beliefs (the SF AI field is full of effective altruists who think AI is the most important issue in the world and weirdos in general) that will have an oversized control on what can and can't be thought. It's just good old white saviorism but worse.

Again, just saying "stop caring about muh freeze peach!!" just doesn't work coming from one of the most privileged groups in the entire world (AI techbros and their entourage). Not when it's such a crucial new technology
I remember running Prime95 in 1997. I guess SETI@HOME just got press?
Other issues with parental controls:

- certain games require admin privileges on windows and there’s no easy way to say, “always launch this game without requiring a parent”

- children accounts have irrevocable restrictions. E.g. YouTube prevents upload of videos, regardless of whether a parent allows it. So kids just spin up another account.

- Microsoft makes it almost impossible to do simple things like allow child to buy a Minecraft realm. 10’s of clicks, errors and weird flows

- parental controls don’t cross ecosystem, and no federation, so you have to setup each service independently

- there’s no way for the device parental controls to influence web based services

- there’s no way on Apple devices to allow a particular show, but in general restrict mature content. E.g. if a parent has different standards for violence, language or sexuality.

The right solution is to put full control in parent’s hands (no saying 12 year olds can’t do X), support making device restrictions that are inherited by any application or site on it.

And as others have said, incentive companies to remove bugs and make the solutions workable and not easily exploitable. The Consumer Protection Agency wouldn’t allow a toy that hurt children to exist, but don’t care if parental controls are actively harmful.
Pretty neat, I like how uncluttered it is compared to the regular site on mobile. Bit confused with the icons on top, I guess the first one is top stories and the star is trending?
It's very good, competition is all you need.
Related/fork from a few weeks ago:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38191463
No one wants to risk another Ted Hall.
There's no breakthrough secret AI they are hiding. The answer is always greed or incompetence.
"This is the Lock Picking Daughter, and what I have for you today is a network cabinet with my Nintendo Switch locked inside."
yeah, often times that is the case. Because reddit is antonymous and free, people can and do make all kinds of claims, some of which come true. If you have 500 people making up different claims, it is likely that one of them will come true, even if that person was guessing/lying.

Im not saying that real leaks dont happen, but that pre-running the news is really weak evidence the on reddit, unless the claims are incredibly specific.

I dont think there was anything they said on reddit that was very specific, and several posters in the HN thread speculating the same thing, just without claiming to be "in the room".

It is kind of like publishing multiple weather predictions, and then claiming credit for the one that is correct.
> I never heard him say anything even remotely interesting about ai

Or about anything at all really. I find his blog posts and talks banal and boring, or self-aggrandizing otherwise ("you can bend the world to your will") it was always baffling to me how this guy could achieve this much. I'm probably missing something.
Demo url:

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