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Emmett Shear (OpenAI Interim CEO): I'm in favor of slowing down, almost pausing
It doesn't cost anything to write a computer program, yet we still charge for that service.

Travelers seem to buy flights in one way; sort by price ascending and pick the first result. To be in that first position, you have to figure out what you can "unbundle" from the cost of transport. Things you can unbundle include food, checked bags, and now picking the seat you want. Some people are super price sensitive and will gladly save $50 to sit in a middle seat. So everyone's happy, right? The option to choose a seat in advance is still available, but now there is the option to NOT choose a seat and save $50.

The airlines are masters of figuring out what price you're willing to pay.
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They thought so. Now, they know that instead they work for one aiming to satisfy the ego of a specific group of people - same as everywhere else.
A lot of redditors have moved to HN now that reddit has become a very left leaning echochamber.
What do you do with a VAX machine on your phone?
You're welcome! I'm very glad to see Ultorg both generally available and on the HN front page, you've built such a cool interface.
No, OpenAI will not survive as a company with more than one shareholder. At the end of the day, MSFT has a fiduciary duty to its own shareholders. MSFT has set certain expectations for its own financial performance based on its agreements with OpenAI and MSFT shares traded based on those expectations. Now OpenAI has sustained a hemorrhage of its leadership that negotiated those agreements, including a public admission by OpenAI of deception in their boardroom and private talk of a potential competitor involving employees. The only question is if OpenAI will capitulate or the lawyers and supply chain will be leveraged to compel their cooperation with protecting the MSFT shareholders. MSFT has deep enough pockets to retain all of the workers. One way or another, the IP and their ops are now the property of the bank, in this case MSFT shareholders. Let’s hope nobody goes to jail by resisting what is a standard cleanup operation at this point.
Everyone is still laughing at Tesla for their vision-only approach.
The metal cover of that song started playing immediately in my mind.

I probably haven’t heard it in more than 15 years, thanks for the trigger :)
No, the problem with AGI is potential exponential growth.

So less like an alien invasion.

And more like a pandemic at the speed of light.
Wall Street Millennial: Why I Hate Sam Altman [video]
Don’t have twits on the board. Lesson learnt.
1 dimensional, binary thinking is a myopic viewpoint a priori. There is much more gray, in numerous dimensions, including the degrees of wisdom and efficacy.
> "double-majored in political science and communications"

Fields where ChatGPT can now do the entry-level jobs.
Can you please share the sources for Ilyas views?
It's easy to show that an N element array requires at least O(N) bits of memory. If we call the memory size M, then an obvious condition is M >= N. And if M >= N, then O(log(M)) as N tends to infinity is emphatically NOT O(1).
Whatever they've built this year presumably uses all the positive/negative feedback on ChatGPT that they have a year worth of data now...

Another examples is the Be My Eyes data - presumably the vision part of GPT-4 was trained on the archive of data the blind assistance app has, and that could be an exclusive deal with OpenAI.
pass the dutchie 'pon the left hand side
Emmett Shear: wake up babe, AI faction compass just became more relevant
>Do you really need all 3? Is each one going to claim that they're the only ones who can develop AGI safely?

What we need at this point is a neutral 3rd party who can examine their safety claims in detail and give a relatively objective report to the public.
> But the fact that most active researchers ... are on twitter

On twitter != 'active on twitter'

There's a biiiiiig difference between being 'on twitter' and what I shall refer to kindly as terminally online behaviour aka 'very active on twitter.'
I grew up in the Chicago suburbs and I didn't realize how weird the term "Chicagoland" was until I started traveling around a bit. I'm not aware of any other city in the world that tacks "land" onto the name to describe the surrounding area. Do this with any other city and it sounds like a weird amusement park: Dallasland, Indianapolisland, Seattleland, etc.
It would, but a PR campaign like the one waged this weekend would probably leave Adam little choice. Sam clearly underestimated the board either way.
Do non-profits have non-competes? or can the employees now just leave and go to a competitor?
In 2008, an Estoian artist and indie theatre house made a spinoff of sorts from this: a play and book entitled "Homefucking is killing prostitution": http://krismoor.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/raamatu-kaas....

IIRC, the "play" was actually never performed (part of the concept was doing PR, interviews etc about a project that's never going to happen -- you can generate quite a bit of public fluff fairly quickly in a small society like Estonia). The book was real, though.
On the contrary, it shows it is a non-profit. People keep denying it is and pretending it is a normal Silicon Valley startup. This demonstrates clearly it is a non-profit.
It's curious to blame TikTok when colleges themselves promote sports gambling[1].

[1]: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/20/business/caesars-sports-b...
I live rurally in Canterbury, New Zealand, but I'm only 25 minutes away from Christchurch CBD.

I've lived far more rurally in the past, long commutes down metal roads with the occasional ford, septic tanks, private water schemes supplying algae-green water from rivers that rise in the front ranges, Internet via microwave or satellite or... ...dial-up giving 2KiB/s if you're lucky, electric fences often lowered the bit rate on copper.

I'm not sure why you think a rural lifestyle needs supportive comments. It's, after all, a choice we make, because we're privileged enough to be able to.
RIP OpenAI - gone like MySpace but not through fickle customers but self inflicted hubris.

Microsoft might as well hire the entire team leaving and give them a Dave Cutler team like deal - do what you folks want in San Fransico - full autonomy reporting directly to the CEO but and make us some god dammed money already.

All that compute credits from Microsoft - hasta la vista baby.
Emmett is a self-proclaimed AI doomer. Given some of his Tweets from the past, it's likely the board indeed wants someone who will takes things slower: https://archive.is/tuf3s https://archive.is/sNvvs

This is probably not something you want to hear as a researcher who is motivated by pushing the frontiers of our capabilities, nor as a researcher who is motivated by pushing their compensation.
I mean that I already have like 10 different torch venvs for different projects all with various pinned versions and CUDA variants.

Still worth the trade-off of not having to deal with dependency hell, but you start to wonder if there is a better way. All together this is many GBs of duplicated libs, wasted bandwidth and compute.
https://archive.is/yjOmt
> the board presumably called her and said, "hey Sam is out, you're the CEO for now, more details to come"

I wouldn’t take over as CEO or interim-CEO unless I knew why the previous CEO was fired and was OK with the process and reasoning.
CDs seem to be pretty resilient compared to tapes, from my experience buying used media. A small percentage of CDs will be unrippable, but a fair number of tapes are torn or self-destruct, and the players can have tape-destroying failure modes, aside from being mostly collections of belts that inevitably stretch, melt, or snap. One I was fiddling with managed to wrap several metres of tape around the capstan shaft so tightly it had to be cut off with a penknife.
This view was totally divorced from reality. Sam literally laid out his own case for AI posing an extinction risk on his blog in 2015, before OpenAI was even founded: https://blog.samaltman.com/machine-intelligence-part-1

"Development of superhuman machine intelligence (SMI) [1] is probably the greatest threat to the continued existence of humanity."
> Oh, and cherry on top, last week I had the immense "pleasure" when I launched the Google phone dialer to make an urgent call to my doctor, instead of being allowed to instantly dial a number, I was greeted by a prompt on top asking me how many start I rate their dialer app before I could dial. I wish I was making this up. Who the F at Google thought this was an acceptable UX to be pushed to production?

I find that I rarely ever type a number into the dialpad these days - I start most of my calls by voice command, or by pressing a phone icon on a search result.

It sounds like what you want is the modern version of an old-fashioned "dumb" phone. I value things like "can run browsers other than Safari" and "tries to ID callers using Google's database" over being able to make phone calls from the middle of the wilderness or underground, since I bought my phone for the ~330 days a year when I'm not in a reception-challenging situation.
Well, despite what Musk did, X (Twitter?) has still been limping along for quite a while now. While more abrupt and surprising, this doesn't seem nearly as bad as that.
It's a non-profit. It isn't a Silicon Valley company.

https://openai.com/our-structure
I’m sure the one you’re replying to knows the guidelines. No need for the reddit remark.
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Please just read on exactly what happened in the accident before making comments about irrelevant frill like the speed limit:

https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/woman-run-autono...
Read the paper linked above, and if you don't agree that's okay. There are many who don't.
The TechCrunch article’s real title seems to be more descriptive: “Cruise-founder and CEO Kyle Vogt resigns”
This entire show will damage Altman and what remains of OpenAI equally - OpenAI because of its unprofessional way of dealing with internal problems, and Altman, well, there's apparently a reason they were unhappy with him.
SyncThing works very well for Obsidian and is completely self hostable.

Although SyncThing on iOS isn't as nice as on Android.
Some politicians starts wars to distract from domestic troubles. Hopefully, this one doesn't understand how government works and the people around the bastions of functional government limit the damage of incompetency.
Just because you want to get a project you’re working on done doesnt mean that a tutorial that gets things working will be the end all be all of your learning of auth. You can always come back after getting the project done and working to play with auth in ways beyond the tutorial taught.
We're working everyday to improve our standards.
> AGI in a very narrow domain

The definition of AGI always puzzles me, because "G" in AGI is general, and the word certainly don't play well w/ "narrow". AGI is a new buzzword I guess.
We're still in the early days of LLM training- saying that datasets are tapped is like saying we hit peak oil in 1880. This is still early days for the field, and it's not clear how efficient new training methods might become, or how small the smallest viable training set can be. There's more scrutiny now sure, but Altman was one of the people pushing for that scrutiny. He likely is capable of navigating the pit traps that would be there for competitors.
That's not what the conversation was about- you're just doing the thing Howard said where you squint and imagine he was saying something other than he did.
The so called cache-oblivious algorithms are exactly designed to account for the speed difference between cache levels. The term cache-oblivious refers to the fact that these algorithms don't take into account the exact sizes of the various cache levels.
Firing generally isn't friendly, but no one "took over." The people who had the power exercised it. Maybe they shouldn't have, I feel no compulsion to argue on their behalf, but calling it a "takeover" isn't correct.

I think when people say "takeover" or "coup" it's because they want to convey their view of the moral character of events, that they believe it was an improper decision. But it muddies the waters and I wish they'd be more direct. "It's a coup" is a criticism of how things happened, but the substantive disagreements are actually about that it happened and why it happened.

I see lots of polarized debate any time something AI safety related comes up, so I just don't really believe that most people would feel differently if the same thing happened but the corporate structure was more conventional, or if Brockman's board seat happened to be occupied by someone who was sympathetic to ousting Altman.
You can still buy house plans and bundles of parts similar to what Sears used to offer, Menards sells them.

Home Depot also has some prefab units but they're all very small.
Y-TwitchAI
Reality check for those who need it:

Altman won't be starting a competing company. First, he may have contractual restrictions and second, OpenAI owns their IP. And even if Altman is somehow free to do what he wants because he was fired (doubtful), anyone who quits to go with him surely do have airtight non-competes. Besides, it's not like Sam and his few loyalists are just going to spin up a few servers and duplicate what OpenAI has done. He'll do something AI-adjacent like the chip startup he was rumored to be pursuing.

As for Microsoft, they have a contract with OpenAI and are deeply reliant on them at the moment. OpenAI isn't disappearing just because Sam and Greg aren't there. Nadella may not be happy with the change, but he'll just have to live with it. Nothing will change for the foreseeable future there either.

When it comes to lawsuits? Who knows, but I highly doubt Altman will fight, or if he does, it will be discreetly settled as it's in no one's interest to wage some protracted battle. Microsoft may want to renegotiate their deal, but that again most likely isn't going to be anything nasty, as Microsoft needs OpenAI right now.

As for developers and consumers of OpenAI's service? They won't care or notice for many months until whatever changes the new CEO and board have in mind are enacted.
But what are you going to do if your ambitions cannot be met with the money and resources they require, especially in the long term? They look like they're tripping over hard limits.
CBRS is faster than Starlink here and doesn't have limits or throttling.

It's a 50ft tower powered by PoE Ethernet.

100-250 mbit/s down, 50-80 mbit/s up
The new research focus demanded by the board in the name of safety will be an CEO AI, which will be aligned to humanities interests - the benchmark to show this will be if it does whatever the board wants. It's the only way to make sure they cannot be stabbed in the back again by a pesky human.
Discovered Joscha Bach on a Lex Friedman podcast earlier this year, and found him a clear and coherent philosopher.

I wanted to share this latest interview which discusses among other topics the AI doomerism narrative.
You can hate Elon Musk as much as you want, but he absolutely knows a decent amount of Physics and Material Science. That's what he studied and has always wanted to do before PayPal. He even get into a Material Science PhD at Stanford. He drove a lot of the engineering at both Tesla and SpaceX. And without that, probably none of these companies would've worked out.
How is it any different if you call them "you-know-who" instead?
I haven't used this font but looking at it closely, I can't find anything that I don't like. If that extends to its kerning etc, then I wholly approve. Much like Helvetica, it's not about what it has but what it doesn't have that makes it good. I would compare it to a comfort food, which may not seem so special on-paper, but that you never tire of and am always up to have.
Murati was not on the board and had no vote.
Orders of magnitude require at least 3 data points, and you have only 2.
This could all be good for Microsoft.

Microsoft want OpenAI to do research, and give them the model to run on Azure.

They certainly don't need OpenAI competing in consumer products. ChatGPT could have been a Micrsoft product in an only slightly different timeline.

And they'd rather they didn't compete in API serving, they'd rather everyone currently using OpenAI had to shift to Azure.
I like science fiction too, but all of these potential scenarios seem so far removed from the low level realities of how these systems work.

I'm not suggesting we don't see ASI in some distant future, maybe 100+ years away. But to suggest we're even within a decade of having ASI seems silly to me. Maybe there's research I haven't read, but as a daily user of AI, it's hilarious to think people are existentially concerned with it.
> I stayed at a hotel in NYC relatively recently, and I booked and pre-paid through hotels.com. When I arrived, the hotel sprung me with a $50/night "resort fee", which was apparently required to stay at the hotel (though I am sure they would tell regulators that it's optional).

The king of those is Las Vegas. I have literally removed Las Vegas as the possible destination for trips before when I remembered their resort fee bullshit and got pissed off. I don't know how those things are even legal, other than the government gets their cut too so screw visitors.
I'm surprised they didn't just cut the northern hemisphere off at a lower latitude.
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I'm not sure that it's a matter of "knowing" as much as it is "believing"
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Even so it buys some time to do safety work
I'd actually be fine with it if you actually talked about whichever immigrants you have in mind instead of "certain immigrants".
The latest large models are 120B and 100k context such as Goliath and Tess XL
"they" : we're talking about the literature that's survived. Where killing all the men and selling the women & children into slavery after capturing a city was standard practice.

Please cite some of the "Plenty of ancient literature is concerned with these things."

The word "sociopath" gives you away. Nearly every ancient hero could be thus described.
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I think the guy read the paper he linked the wrong way. The paper explicitly separates "narrow" and "AGI" types where AlphaGo is in the virtuoso bracket for narrow AI, and ChatGPT is in the "emerging" bracket for "general" AI. Only thing it puts to be AGI is few levels up from virtuoso, but in the "general" type.
"We fired the CEO for being too profit-driven" is a terrible message to send to your employees when you've lured them in with $1m comp packages that mostly consist of "Profit Participation Units" that are only worth anything when you actually make money.
You are definitely over estimating how much time and effort it needs to build large models.

Sam will get billions of dollars if he starts a new company. So there's no issue of money. In terms of data and training models, look at Anthropic - they did train a reasonable model. Heck look at Mistral, a bunch of ex Meta folks and their LLaMA team lead who spinned up a good models in months.

The only bottle neck i could think of would probably be RLHF data - but given enough money, that's not an issue either.
OpenAI was building boring enterprise and developer products under Sam Altman's leadership
Salaries at openai already make them millionaires.
One of the first things a professor taught me on a class on the design of experiments is "Never doom yourself to success."

The experiment shouldn't inherently be designed to confirm your biases. I've carried that with me ever since. I agree with you - I suspect bias, judgement calls that favor what you want, looking for errors intensively when you get weird results and not when you get expected ones, etc. are far more common than outright fraud.
I'd say it sounds like they want to go faster with research and slower with commercializing the outputs of the research.
> The mass-produced cassettes released by the record labels weren't great. You could do much better dubbing from a vinyl record to a high quality cassette with a decent tape deck. Those sounded quite good.

This. The mass produced prerecorded cassettes were garbage. But copying vinyl to a high quality TDK or Maxell… very nice results.
Emmett Shear is probably the person most friendly to OpenAI board's AI safety agenda among possible candidates. Source: have a look at his Twitter.
Vogt resigns as CEO of Cruise following safety questions
Anyone worth a shit will leave and go work with Sam. OpenAI will be left with a bunch of below average grifters.
That's not obvious to me. Why did so many join OpenAI in the first place, given that its charter prioritizes humanitarian benefit over building as quickly as possible?

https://openai.com/charter
Given we teach that in our biomedical ethics course as fraud, I think your "most researchers..." statement is not necessarily supportable.
This particular board won’t even let ChatGPT help the CEO because they’re afraid there’s a Basilisk hiding in every response.
This would normally be true, but this is the board of a non-profit that has no investors. If the board actually lacked autonomy, then the article we're commenting on would have been about Altman being re-hired today.
What special credentials do you think Sam Altman had in AI?
...unless those engineers are happy with fat salaries and understand that startup equity should be valued at zero.
Where is OpenAI going to get money? They just said, loudly, that they don’t care about money.

Money is exchanged for goods and services, like GPUs, hiring researchers and coders, and acquiring data.

No one is going to trust them. They will be able to use their whole 120M they got as donations to operate the company for a full week or two.

Good luck, twats.

(Maybe they have AGI/ASI in the basement. If so, kudos, they will be fine and it was classless to fire Sam)
I've heard the Commodore mechanism has a signal processing model that's pretty different from an audio deck, even if the tape transport and heads are comparable. I suspect this is a combination of "saving a nickel" and "the characteristics best for nuanced analog audio are irrelevant or worse for data"
It's certainly not certain.
I'm sure Google will throw a couple of billions their way, given the chance
I’m genuinely surprised that they stuck to their guns. The PR push behind Altman’s return was convincing enough that I had my doubts.

Altman will be more than fine, he’ll get a bucket of money and the chance to prove he is the golden boy he’s been sold to the world. He will get to recruit a team that believes in his vision of accelerating AI for commercial use. This will lead to a more diverse market.

I hope for the best for those who remain at OpenAI. I hope for the best for Altman and Brockman.
...which becomes meaningless and not useful. There is a whole area of mechanical sympathy and cache aware or cache oblivious algorithms that are well worth discussing and learning, but we don't need to use big-O notation to do so.
RSS can be used to distribute all sorts of information
MS isn't starting from scratch, it already has the weights of the worlds most powerful LM, and it's all running on their datacenters. Even without Sam, they just need to keep the current momentum going. Maybe axe ChatGPT and focus solely on Bing/Copilot going forward. It would give me great satisfaction to see the laughing stock search engine of the past decade being the undisputed face of AI over the next.