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4GB with Windows seems to be bad to a degree I didn't previously realize. A friend had been assigned a Surface Go 3 from work, and it had a current or recent gen i5 or something, and 4GB of non-upgradeable RAM. My friend assumed she had malware, turns out the OS just consumed 2.5GB or so of RAM, and more than a couple of tabs or programs wouldn't just slow it down, it essentially locked up. It really only functioned after a reboot and before you tried to do anything. As much as I'd like to shame Apple for its 8GB junk, the Surface Go 3's 4GB RAM floor is an absolute travesty.
The report was that investors were talking to microsoft about the threat to withhold credits.

Which does not say whether microsoft was open to the idea or ultimately chose to pursue that path.
Yes, John Oliver is 100% pūteketeke nuts. Oh you mean the Idiocracy candidate? Well, he's probably a safer bet than the doddards and agro embarrassments the US has in office and to choose from at present. I vote New Zealand conquers North America and replaces quite a few not-so-great US elected officials with saner adult supervision by kiwis who aren't prone to fisticuffs, felonies, or hiding gold bars in clothing. The results of populist elections makes you consider sortition. And Socrates would be the first to vote for it.
All this talk of a new venture and more money makes this smell highly fishy to me. Take this with a grain of salt, it's a random thought.

It's created huge noise and hype and controversy, and shaken things up to make people "think" they can be in on the next AI hype train "if only" they join whatever Sam Altman does now. Riding the next wave kind of thing because you have FOMO and didn't get in on the first wave.
The same trick should work in Rust as in C or C++. In Java you could create a linked list class, pin the nodes in memory so that the GC doesn't compact them , then apply the same shuffling. In Go you can go back to the C trick, since Go's garbage collector doesn't do any kind of compaction.
Good point, I was aware that newer USB-C PD standard offers bigger power delivery (up to 240W, I think), but I didn't know it was achieved through increased voltage.

That means it goes up to 48V DC, so that's certainly curious, thanks!
Check it again, I think you might have misread the thing. It categorizes things in a way that clearly separates AlphaGO from even shooting towards "AGI". The "General" part of AGI can't really be skipped or words don't make any sense anymore.
Here is another article without the paywall
https://www.artnews.com/art-news/news/tech-accelerator-for-a...
If they didn't reinstate Sam, Microsoft already threatened to cut off all future funding from OpenAI, (they've only paid 1 out of 10 tranches so far), then sue them, then help Sam poach OpenAI talent at his next venture.
Well there's nothing narrow about sota LLMs. The main hinge is just competence.

i think the guy you're replying to misunderstood the article he's alluding to though. They don't claim anything about a narrow agi
A very subtle bug (2010)
It's a very different conversation when an engineer goes to their manager and says "I think this tool I tried out at home could improve our work" versus "we should buy everyone licenses for this tool that I've never used".
Because they want to slow down further research which would push AGI closer until the safety/alignment aspect can catch up.
I take it you have never made a pledge to someone.

It’s a signal. The only meaning is the circumstances under which the signal is given: Sam made an ask. These were answers.
The problems that had been solved remain solved, no need for a genius for those problems. They will also have solutions that the public doesn't know about yet.
This is far worse. OpenAI simply cannot survive without Microsoft and skeleton staff. It's not like a static codebase where you can keep the service up and running indefinitely barring bugs. Why would anyone building with the OpenAI APIs, their customers, have any faith in the company if they openly don't care about business? Working on AI is highly capital intensive, on the scale of many tens of billions of dollars. Where are they going to get that funding? How will they pay their staff? There is no way Microsoft is going to HODL after this embarrassment.
Also DVD-RAM, when in the writer, had a shell. The single sided ones could be removed from the shell easily and put in a DVD drive (I do not recall if they worked in a regular DVD player)

One of the biggest wastes of money, for me. I got way more use out of my minidisc stuff, which is another optical disc in a case. In fact I still have my net-MD recorder/player, and it works fine.
Yes, but you rarely see two people who run in the same circles/part of the same OG YC class publicly criticize one or the other.
The default winners in this race, in the medium-term horizon (~18 months), are the existing incumbents: Alphabet, Microsoft, Meta. OpenAI was positioned to be able to compete. I am not sure a diluted OpenAI will be.
But the Board members of the non-profit company have been leveraging OpenAI's APIs in their other business endeavors -- like, Adam's Poe chatbot for Quora. More details on board's timeline:

https://loeber.substack.com/p/a-timeline-of-the-openai-board

Related read: https://www.techtris.co.uk/p/openai-set-out-to-show-a-differ...
Presumably you terrified them when you came to GCP :).
Only on HN: your worth is tied to your choice of CEO.
A few weeks ago I tried building cosmopolitan inside a Termux environment but the makefile didn't like it. At the time I gave up and used my laptop because I was focused on developing a feature. I wonder if I could get it to work now.
Ah, gotcha; I meant "superintelligence" (which is ASI and not AGI).
They make a point out of not directly asking for the crime when they do that. Just increasing pressure on subcontractors that leads to cutting corners including the law.

It is harder to prove to a "should have known" standard compared to say buying stolen speakers from the back of a truck for 20% of the list price.
That's not alive in any meaningful sense.

When I say alive, I mean it's like something to be that thing. The lights are on. It has subjective experience.

It seems many are defining ASI as just a really fast self learning computer. And while sure, given the wrong type of access and motive, that could be dangerous. But it isn't anymore dangerous than any other faulty software that has access to sensitive systems.
Dallas’ unofficial motto is “Keep Dallas Boring”.

This is our strategy to hide from real estate speculators and homeless millionaires from California.
Even if OpenAI falls apart, this is still a good move.
I thought they switched to a "capped profit" model, where investors are capped at a 100x return on investment.
Cruise did exactly the wrong thing by folding under pressure and stopping all operations. Appeasing your critics simply doesn't work. The appeasement alienates your supporters while doing nothing to change the minds of your critics as is amply demonstrated in this thread and elsewhere. Cruise's cars were almost certainly not more dangerous than human driven cars. The CYA bureaucrats have taken over and there is no place for a founder at Cruise anymore.

IMO Cruise's fatal mistake was choosing San Francisco. It was hubris to think that they could change the minds of a populace and government clearly set on hating everything to do with tech. There are probably a bunch of cities that would be proud to host self-driving cars, rather than antagonistic. Things could have played out differently.
In the HN discussions about posts like this, there tend to be several comments from people saying they left the academic world because they were disgusted with what they saw. This is a worrying signal, because it tells me that fraud is so pervasive in some fields that just exposing one paper as fraud is not going to fix it. Also, like the article suggests, there appears to be pressure to dismiss the fraud suspicions by the institutions and the journals. These tell me that the problems are systematic, because the system does not automatically correct the faults -- but tries to prevent them from being corrected. In a culture that is based on trust, like science, we should see a very different attitude towards fixing failures.
Accelerating research on increasing reasoning / intelligence capabilities of AI? That is opposite of what Emmett seemed to advocate recently, so it would be strange to pick him as the CEO if they really wanted to accelerate that.
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Another of Musk’s lies that keeps being propagated

“ In 1995, he was accepted to a PhD program in materials science at Stanford University.[64][65] However, Musk decided to join the Internet boom, dropping out two days after being accepted and applied for a job at Netscape”

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elon_Musk
FWIW, the board structure is more in the spotlight, especially Adam's, since Quora's Poe chatbot uses OpenAI's APIs. And on top of that, Sam was an investor in Quora (2018).
These are people very active on Twitter and work for a company that unashamedly harvested all of the data it could for free with out asking to make money. It's not like shame and self-respect are allowed anywhere near this company.
That's assuming a big overshoot of human intelligence and goal-seeking. An average human capability counts as "AGI."

If lots of the smartest human minds make AGI, and it exceeds a mediocre human-- why assume it can make itself more efficient or bigger? Indeed, even if it's smarter than the collective effort of the scientists that made it, there's no real guarantee that there's lots of low hanging fruit for it to self-improve.

I think the near problem with AGI isn't a potential tech singularity, but instead just the tendency for it potentially to be societally destabilizing.
The problem is you will need to hire 10 guys to use that machine well. And that easily costs you 2M a year.
tl;dr: Any OAI employee tweeting about this is unhinged.
Oh yeah, tracing can be extremely useful, precisely because it should be end to end.

As for the numbers, that's why all tracing collectors and receivers support downsampling out of the box. Recording only 1% or 10% of all traces, or 10% of all successful ones and 100% of failures is a good way of making use of tracing without overburdening storage.
Another good one for GitHub is that you can do

github.com/[username].png

to get that username's profile picture.
I'm actually pretty impressed that they are sticking to their (non-profit) charter against so much pressure. While this was not a "clean" maneuverer I'm not really in a position to judge, given my lack of context. Perhaps there could have been a better execution, but it was the willingness to act when it would not be easy that I think matters most.
What's your basis for the claim that they are based on TorToiSe? I have seen this claim made (and rebutted) many times.
Will their competitors also slow down in this market? What message does this send to their dev community
*much lower...
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To buy an equivalent house like the ones in Sears catalog in a desirable neighborhood can easily set you back half a million.
There's a character in HPMOR named after the new CEO.

(That's the religious text of the anti-AI cult that founded OpenAI. It's in the form of a very long Harry Potter fanfic.)
I think you're mistakingly thinking Mira Murati was on the board. That is not the case. The board is Adam D'Angelo, Helen Toner, Ilya Sutskever, and Tasha McCauley after Sam and Greg were removed. Mira Murati was not involved except for the fact she was made the initial replacement. For all we know she had no information on what happened when she was asked to step in.
is that how he does it? I wouldn't be surprised.
> Let’s examine the structure from the bottom to the top. At the bottom is OpenAI Global, the capped profit entity. The restriction on the capped profit company is that it must start to return a profit to the nonprofit after a 100x return in capital. Later-stage investors shouldn’t expect to receive such a return.

> Microsoft, in particular, has tied its wagon closest to OpenAI. It’s a later investor, so it cannot make the ~100x return, but it invested $10 billion dollars in OpenAI, mostly in the form of cloud computing credits. The deal’s terms are not quite disclosed, but we all understand that Microsoft has the largest economic stake in OpenAI.

This explains the deal between Microsoft and OpenAI. They weren't able to find investors who were satisfied with a lower return, but Microsoft wanted something other then a financial return: Access to the models. So the restriction on the return ensured a much worse deal for them as the only potential investors were big tech companies to whom access to the models is useful.

This entire non-profit/capped-profit structure turned out to be too clever by half. Had OpenAI been a standard business, they wouldn't have had this problem.
That's a strange thing to say. I find a lot of value in the developer community on Twitter. I wouldn't have my career without it.

I also wasn't being facetious. If there are other places to share work and ideas with developers online, I'd love to hear about them!
There are 10s or 100s of thousands of programmers working on AI, but only one team under the guidance of Sam has been able to make the progress we've seen with ChatGPT and that is massively jeopardized now by this drama.
Uber had huge supporters in Phoenix and that didn't save them there. Cruise did the wrong thing by lying to government regulators.
he never got into stanford. he made that up. there is no record of his admittance. and court records show that stanford dean (under oath) had to admit that they couldn't locate them. do you have source on "drove a lot of engineering" claim? even if you worked at one of these, could you prove the other?
In a dispute between people willing to sacrifice profit for values and those chasing the profit, why on earth would you put grifters on team values over profit?
It's worse: some fraudsters get caught and aren't denounced. See: Homme Hellinga.
Sam hasn't yet lined up the funding, so therefore they can't yet offer decent jobs, so therefore the openai employees haven't left

But they will.
Genuine question: can somebody please explain why there needs to be a distinction between "true" unit tests and tests that work on several layers at once as long as said tests are runnable <1min on a consumer-grade laptop without any prior setup apart from a standard language + container env setup?

Over the years I had several discussion to that effect and I truly, genuinely don't understand. I have test cases that test a connector to, say, Minio, so I spin up a Minio container dynamically for each test case. I need to test an algorithm, so I isolate its dependencies amd test it.

Shouldn't the point be that the thing is tested with the best tool available for the job that ensures robustness in the face of change rather than riding on semantics?
> But, one day later she caves and sides with Sam (that's what the heart tweet means)

The amount of weight people here give to an _emoji_ on this site... Rampant, unnecessary, baseless speculation in every comment thread bout Altman.

Just wait til monday next time. These ultra wealthy over-privileged Worldcoin fucks are not worth this much attention.
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May I hope that after all those that were seduced by the money leave with Sam, Ilya will see the light and realize the only "safe" way to deal with AI is to have it 100% open, free and public?
Maybe read my comment again? There is no lie. I said accepted, not attended. And if you've ever tried to get into a PhD program at Stanford you'd know that isn't easy unless you have, you know, at least a little bit of knowledge of the field. So the parent claiming that Elon Musk doesn't even know basic Physics is blatantly wrong.
It would be more true to say art is paid for by the rich. It isn't specifically for the rich.

Most art is about reflecting aspects of people's lives, the artists mostly. Often this view is an extreme close up, so to an observer or viewer it looks like something else entirely.

Most artists aren't rich, so their art isn't really about being rich.

Getting paid for by the rich, well, it has been this way looooong time before modern art, see the Medici Family for example.
I guess you can call Dausa, Rajasthan as rural compared to the rest of the first world.
USPS.gov == usps.com
I thought Poe was a partnership with Anthropic?
Post modernism. There’s a well established field of thought going past to at least the 60s that believes truth is relative, knowledge is subservient to language and therefore science is inherently biased and a tool of “power”.
It’s extremely popular in the west, especially among the elite and in the universities
This is how one answers if they actually intend to quit: https://x.com/gdb/status/1725667410387378559?s=46&t=Q5EXJgwO...

There’s nothing wrong with not following, it’s a brave and radical thing to do. A heart emoji tweet doesn’t mean much by itself.
Exponential growth is not intrinsically a feature of an AGI except that you've decided it is. It's also almost certainly impossible.

Main problems stopping it are:

- no intelligent agent is motivated to improve itself because the new improved thing would be someone else, and not it.

- that costs money and you're just pretending everything is free.
Does anyone have a good reason they normally fall back on for using the AWS SDK vs the provided SMTP bridge? Rate limits or anything of the sort?

I find that basically every transnational email service supports SMTP so I normally code to that and call it a day…
Well scientists are shitty. For example, the entire masking bullshit could have been avoided if the science policymakers just said "hey we don't have any evidence, just dont be an asshole and put a mask on".

That's not what happened, and they discredited themselves. Guess what. The public does know what the scientific method is, and they smelled a rat.

Why should we trust scientists if they violate their own principles?

> continuous attacks

Yeah. These are often warranted. Scientists MUST be held to a higher standard because (unless they're funded by HHMI) they're using the public purse.

> diminishing returns

That's a real thing. It's not supposed.
They can support Sam, but still stay in the company.
> Otherwise, you need to check-in right when it opens.

Does that always work? I flew on Southwest a few times recently, and by the last one, I learned to check in right when it opened 24 hours before, and I still ended up in groups B and C on the 2 legs.
Yeah there is the official Nvidia container with torch+cuda pre-installed that some projects use.

I feel more projects should start with that as the base instead of pinning on whatever variants. Most aren't using specialized CUDA kernels after all.

Suppose there's the answer, just pick the specific torch+CUDA base that matches the major version of the project you want to run. Then cross your fingers and hope the dependencies mesh :p.
Big question!
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MS is not going to randomly withhold cloud credits, as OpenAI is going to sue them for billions of damages.
Using UTC as a universal time standard is stupid because it contains leap-seconds while TAI does not. TAI64* should be the preferred computational monotonic time format.
the biggest leverage is the billions in compute that Microsoft holds over OpenAI. Without this compute they can't run most of the experiments to get number five before others, who are very close, especially Anthropic.
You've been posting so many flamebait and unsubstantive comments, and have ignored so many requests to stop (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37488416), that I've banned the account.

I hate to ban an account that has been on HN for so many years, but you've been breaking the rules frequently, and we've warned you many times already: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37488416

If you don't want to be banned, you're welcome to email hn@ycombinator.com and give us reason to believe that you'll follow the rules in the future. They're here: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.
I have a FirstNet SIM for my phone (the first responder network). I've never experienced it, and it is only during designated events (i.e. a switch has to be flipped at the carrier, so might not have worked here depending on the outage), but while my phone is nominally on AT&T during said events a few things are meant[1] to happen:

Voice calls should be prioritized over other network traffic. Data should be the same. And my phone should roam from AT&T to VZW (or even TMO).

[1] having said that, I've not looked too closely, and it sounds like (unsurprisingly) that might not exactly be the reality...
Kurt Vonnegut's House Is Not Haunted
OpenAI was not founded to be a white hot startup: https://archive.is/Vqjpr
He's the only one that lived at the end of the movie if I recall correctly, so everyone would want to be mr Pink?

His rant also convinced other people on that table because there was no flaw in his reasoning.
Is Chat GPT writing this whole dialogue?
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I'm sure they all "invested" because they truly believed in the non-profit mission of OpenAI /s
Well if she talked to Sam and he showed her hypothetical 5 Billion in commitment and offered 1% in "SamAI" ...
This made me think there is more to it than stochastic completion:

Bowman, Samuel R. “Eight Things to Know about Large Language Models,” April 2, 2023. https://doi.org/10.48550/arXiv.2304.00612.
If you train a fish to look at itself in the mirror and nod up and down, is it self aware?

If by some conditions you place on a monkey randomly typing a keyboard it writes Shakespeare, but based only on the parameters you give it, is it a scholar?
Those are not the only things to research, but I wouldn't assume that capability-base research would stop. I mean, they want to create AI to perform AI alignment, so their road map includes capability research.

The for-profit bender that OpenAI was on appears to have been more of the issue. It's one thing to create greater capabilities for enhancing the rate of research, and another rushing those capabilities to market.
Has anyone written a response to this paper? Their main gist is to try to define AGI empirically using only what is measurable.
Vague and subjective metrics are how you get cults or worse, politics.
Good art isn't defined by how much people will pay for it. That is fashion. Some artists are lucky, some are good at kissing ass and schmoozing, some are very talented and are recognised by people with money.

But that is all fashion.

If you want to buy some art, see some new stuff, or ask questions, find your nearest art college and go to the end of year show. The only problem if you will have to decide yourself what you like!
Zero k used terraform Ed ramps and newton's?
The trick is that execs do have unusually good insight into how their tech works, because they can ask their reports to explain it.

Btw, I think it's funny how much credit Hinton gets for AI. His contribution is pretty much just keeping some grad students on the problem.
Talk is easy. But also the good employees will be paid well to get poached.
> You should find a better place to work.

Work is work. If you start being emotional about it, it's a bad, not good, thing.
Noted! Thanks