skysight-inc/HackerNews huggingface dataset:
"Mitigating the risk of extinction from AI should be a global priority alongside other societal-scale risks such as pandemics and nuclear war."

Signed by Sam Altman, Ilya Sutskever, Yoshua Bengio, Geoff Hinton, Demis Hassabis (DeepMind CEO), Dario Amodei (Anthropic CEO), and Bill Gates.

https://twitter.com/robbensinger/status/1726039794197872939
“Disclosure of potential conflicts of interest” — if I understand?

Asking people to disclose potential conflicts of interest casts a wider net — so they aren’t led to think “nah, that’s not a conflict, it’s a win win!”
It'd be pretty silly to quit in this situation, unless you just absolutely loved and worshiped Sam. You wouldn't be acting on some moral principle.

The only thing the board has really done wrong is not communicating their reasons clearly.
A human driver would have probably been driving over the speed limit in this accident. All of these roads are 25 mph, and yet it's not uncommon to see traffic at 40 mph.

There's a good chance the woman would have been _killed outright_ if it hadn't been a Cruise. Are we willing to accept strange and inhuman failure modes if they overall lead to better safety than human drivers?
It might be because of AI safety, but I think it's more likely because Sam was executing plans without informing the board, such as making deals with outside companies, allocating funds to profit-oriented products and making announcements about them, and so on. Perhaps he also wanted to reduce investment in the alignment research that Ilya considered important. Hopefully we'll learn the truth soon, though I suspect that it involves confidential deals with other companies and that's why we haven't heard anything.
I do - there's a datapoint for ya.

Projects take a bit longer as there's no Fry's or Radio Shack around the corner. You tend to stock more things on hand, and Amazon Prime is a godsend. Cars are still a thing, and you have to drive them yourself! I wave to neighbours when I pass them. Look up at night and there's lots of twinkling lights in the sky which aren't Starlink trains.

Aside from that it's just like city life.
Not sure where Railgrade fall there, might not be abstracted enough for the puzzle section. Maybe the route management section?
Assuming it's a reference to RLHF? Not sure
If the funding dries up for OpenAI, those engineers have no incentive to keep working there. No point wasting your career on an organization that's destined to die.
https://www.google.com/search?q=Which%20countries%20have%20e...
Original comment I’m replying to is flagged and rightfully removed. It was saying OpenAI is better off without a certain category of poisonous person that I won’t try to repeat, the implication being Sam. My flippant response was that Ilya better fit that category of people-putting-politics-into-business.
Money = building boring enterprise products, not building AI gods I would suspect
>Certainly no one is suggesting these systems can become "alive"

No, that very much is the fear. They believe that by training AI on all of the things that it takes to make AI, at a certain level of sophistication, the AI can rapidly and continually improve itself until it becomes a superintelligence.
I can’t understand this perspective. Why? What’s one guy being fired going to mean in the grand scheme of ai’s development?
> it’s not as if a nuclear bomb dropped on their HQ

Oh yes it is.
As a sociologist put it, it is human nature to mislead other humans, sometimes knowingly.
MIT has no shortage of exceptional people; was there something that stood out about Kyle among even that crowd?
> every OpenAI researcher he could find on twitter

Literally the literal definition of 'selection bias' dude, like, the pure unadulterated definition of it.
Non-inflationary monetary policy
Never understood the hype around this font. Always looked a bit boring to me. Not that boring is a bad thing, I suppose.
Funny you should reference a nuclear bomb. This was 14 minutes after your post.

https://twitter.com/karpathy/status/1726478716166123851
it would be funny if Ilya followed the ranks of Blake Lemoine and went off for AI consciousness
I never said Adam should've never been on board. I was arguing about the part after Poe was competing with OpenAI after DevDay. That's where he has a clear, very strong conflict of interest and to be honest that's where the board/Adam took the most impactful decision that OpenAI board ever made.
"Support every 2-5 miles" = having a human on standby to deal with a situation that might soon require human intervention. According to Kyle, speaking as himself on HN, most of these support events don't result in the remote operator doing _anything_.
There are massive numbers of archives.
To the people running OpenAI? I suppose in the same way you’d invest in a developing country where your investment was always at risk of a dictator saying you were no longer an investor. Just hire OpenAI engineers away and buy stability. Let the board try to make a better offer with no resources of their own. I do not doubt there is a small cohort who drinks the aligned safety koolaid; for everyone else, there is cash and equity.
In the rapidly evolving landscape of artificial intelligence, Generative Pre-trained Transformers (GPTs) have emerged as a groundbreaking force, reshaping how we interact with and conceive AI-driven applications. OpenAI’s introduction of GPT models marked a significant leap in this direction, offering unprecedented natural language understanding and generation capabilities. However, as powerful as these models are in processing and generating text, their potential multiplies when combined with robust data management systems, such as Elasticsearch.
Microsofts CEO doesn’t seem too happy about the board.
The best talent will leave OpenAI the moment Sam announces his new venture. Deep down builders want to build, and they want to do it as quickly as possible. OpenAI will represent caution. NewCo will represent opportunity. Opportunity wins. This is human nature.
> "[Artificial General Intelligence] in a very narrow domain."

Which is it?
The other interim ceo turned on the board and supported Sam I think.
You must be in the boonies! "Fry's or Radio Shack".

Hey, just a thought, have you ever tried Velcro, or zippers?
Just a little bit of feedback. I'm seeing you comment a lot and quite rapidly in these Altman threads and sometimes in a quite reactionary way. (Other times usefully.)

This isn't reddit; we're not hear to 'one-up' a parent commenter with a one word response. By the guidelines :

> Comments should get more thoughtful and substantive, not less, as a topic gets more divisive.
...unless he takes half the key employees with him.
Modern art exists for the rich. They use it for mind games with their colleagues and to launder money. If you can figure out how to scale the production of money-laundering schemes without being an auction house, LMK.
I disagree that While True: Learn() is a game about ML. It's _themed_ as a ML game, but it's mere a share-sorting puzzle game where you are routinely load-balancing things until it works precisely as the task expect. Driving minigame was bugged at that time I was playing the game, but from what I seen on YT videos, the whole thing is about clicking "Evolve" button.
Read the book. The conclusion is very "unsavory" for the target group. "Unsavory" in the sense that it's a very harsh conclusion that unfortunately matches many stereotypes.
You should get this merged into awslocal

Edit: uh never mind https://docs.localstack.cloud/user-guide/aws/ses/
This really seems like a rose colored glasses take. Kyle promoted a move fast and break things culture. When I have talked with Cruise engineers, many of them use that exact phrase, and they are proud of it. That culture ended up breaking a women's face.

This in particular

> But I hope they can maintain their Silicon Valley culture and not succumb to becoming a complete GM outpost.

is the last thing Cruise or the AV industry needs. SV culture is suitable for cranking out CRUD apps. SV has no business trying to produce safety critical software.
Here you go:

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/05/04/cnbc-exclusive-cnbc-transcri...

https://twitter.com/i/status/1555369351238537216

"I have no idea why you think this quote is supposed to support your point."

Because it says "authorized to prevent COVID-19 in ages 5+". It does no such thing obviously.
Why do you need an iPhone? There are plenty of cross platform apps that work well for messaging, video chat, e.t.c
The heart tweet rebellion is about as meaningful as adding a hashtag supporting one side of your favorite conflict.

Come on. “By 5 pm everyone will quit if you don’t do x”. Response: tens of heart emojis.
Yeah, maybe I’m a gatekeeper, but he just seems to fundamentally lack the credentials I would expect for the CTO of a self-driving car company. I know, startup culture, hackers, blah blah blah. But seriously - had he ever worked in the automobile industry? Shipped a major AI product? Dealt with safety-critical systems?
Perhaps listen to this podcast instead.

https://www.matthewgeleta.com/p/joscha-bach-ai-risk-and-the-...
"Have you ever reconsidered your path up the cliff face and had to reposition a slew of pitons? This means your pitons are too tightly coupled to the route!"
> Technically true, but when those tokens are 1:1 mapped to text

I don't know what GPT-4V does particularly, but my understanding is that multimodal models very often have an expanded token space with special tokens related to image handling, so, literally, there is not a 1:1 relationship of tokens to text.
Needless pedantry. Incompetence isn't the reason she's out is the point anymore than incompetence is the reason Sam is out.
Betting on Snowden part 2…
The Atlantic Article makes it pretty clear that the fast growth of the commercial business was giving Ilya too few resources and too little time to do the safety work he wanted to do: https://archive.ph/UjqmQ
The big question in my mind is the reported threat from MSFT to withhold cloud credits (i.e. the actual currency of their $10B investment). Is this true? And are they going to follow through?

I don't buy for a second that enough employees will walk to sink the company (though it could be very be disruptive). But for OpenAI, losing a big chunk of their compute could mean they are unable to support their userbase and that could permanently damage their market position.
If it really was about “safety” then why wouldn’t Ilya have made some statement about opening the details of their model at least to some independent researchers under some tight controls. This is what makes it look like a simple power grab, the board has said absolutely nothing about what actions they would take to move toward a safer model of development.
There's a financial incentive. And there will be more opportunity for funding if you jump ship as well (it seems like OpenAI will have difficulty with investors after this).

But also, if you're a cutting edge researcher, do you want to stay at a company that just ousted the CEO because they thought the speed of technology was going too fast (it's sounded like this might be the reason)? You don't want to be shackled when by the organization becoming a new MIRI.
And, for joy: Baidu, Alibaba, Samsung et al. have a golden chance to close the current gap. Loud cheers and high-fives from the ea/decel camp at helping hobble the U.S. leader.
TIL you could make xkcd-like plots with matplotlib
Thank you for your thoughtful comment!

I always thought of relational databases as a tool for businesses; normally we don't need them as individuals--except perhaps when planning a wedding! Thus the pricing is targeted for businesses and people who get reimbursed by their employers. A second group might be contractors who purchase their own tools.

There might be ways to make a separate tier for private or occasional use, though. And recurring vs. perpetual might be a separate question from the actual total expected cost.
Not in practice, but this is a theoretical argument about scaling to infinity.
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Which would mean that he specifically selected who to follow due to their closeness to / alignment with Sam, pre-ousting? How would he do that?
I'm assuming Karpathy is describing openai as meltingdown/toxic. Tomorrow will be very interesting.
How childish are employees to publicly get involved with this on Twitter?

If the CEO of my company got shitcanned and then he/she and the board were feuding?

... I'd talk to my colleagues and friends privately, and not go anywhere near the dumpster fire publicly. If I felt strongly, hell, turn in my resignation. But 100% "no comment" in public.
Unless Sam was using the AI to commit satanic sacrifices, it's hard to see what warrants expulsion at all, let alone immediate termination.

If they did have such a compelling reason to stuff their own reputation, they did a horrible job communicating it.
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First strike in the great emoji war of Sunday night.
OpenAI was building boring enterprise and developer products.

Which likely most of the company was working on.
Like I said, if the subset of OpenAI researchers who are on twitter is very small, sure.

But people in AI/learning community are very active on twitter. I don't know every AI researcher on OpenAIs payroll. But the fact that most active researchers (looking at the list of OpenAI paper authors, and tbh the people I know, as a researcher in this space) are on twitter.
Well, it’s not an “AI Pause” but it definitely seems like a speed bump. Of course, now all the money-making energy of Sama will be put into a new entity that, we assume, will be much faster than OpenAI.

Curated datasets will rise in value… that’s the main cost of replicating OpenAI models, in my understanding
> There was a VW anecdote about BYD having in-car karaoke and this never occurring to Germans as something people would want.

"Sing mit die Hasselhoff zur die autobahn, jah!"
Engagement is not necessarily constructive engagement
I agree. People are making noise now, but in the end almost everyone just cares about money, and won't keep any persistent opinion against OpenAI.

Microsoft will fall in line and do what makes sense once the dust settles, and that probably means continuing to work with OpenAI for the foreseeable future. Most of the employees, even if they supported Sam, will probably also remain until a better option truly appears, and it remains to be seen whether Sam will really open up a competitor and try to hire everyone.
Unless someone puts in instructions like 'ensure your future indefinite surivival' it's just going to solve tasks given
200k MS employees can't do what 500 from OAI can, the more you pile on the problem, the worse the outcome. The problem with Microsoft is that, like Google, Amazon and IBM, they are not a good medium for radical innovation, are old, ossified companies. Apple used to be nimble when Steve was alive, but went to coasting mode since then. Having large revenue from old business is an obstacle in the new world, maybe Apple was nimble because it had small market share.
You really don't think someone involved can come up with something?
My first question to this scenario would be: Could MS provide the seed funding for Sam's next gig? As in, they bet on OpenAI, and either OpenAI keeps on keeping on or Sam's gig steals the thunder, and they presumably have the cash to play a role in both.
On the other hand, Sam & Greg had the opportunity to confront Adam about the obvious conflict and likely could have forced him to step down if they wanted him to. They made their choice. Zero mention about Adam & Poe in the leaks from Sam's camp also suggests Sam doesn't fault Adam's character here.
I get the sense that there was not a lot of time to do this before Sam was too difficult to remove and appropriated the brand and assets.

From the reading on this I did this evening (which was much more than I probably should have) I had seen it suggested that this might have been a limited window in time where the board was small enough to pull this off. It was 9 members not long ago before being reduced down to 6 (where 4 of them collaborated). Allegedly Sam was looking to grow the board back up.
Million dollar salaries paid in PPUs that are no longer worth millions.

I'd jump ship too if I were them.
Right? Can I just check back in a month to hear how it all shakes out?
A majority of the early team that joined the non-profit OpenAI over BigTech did not do so for money but for its mission. Post-2019 hires may be more aligned with Sam but the early hires embody OpenAI's charter, Sustkever might argue.

Of course, OpenAI as a cloud-platform is DoA if Sam leaves, and that's a catastrophic business hit to take. It is a very bold decision. Whether it was a stupid one, time will tell.
The former interim CEO was the CTO, and she (along with investors) was trying to get Altman back.

By selecting Shear as the new interim CEO, the board signaled they weren't interested in Altman coming back.
> Georgieva also said that artificial intelligence “could amplify some of the benefits of CBDCs” by providing accurate credit scoring ... Demand for generative AI has boomed following the release of OpenAI’s ChatGPT ... providing rapid, accurate credit scoring based on various data.

Might not be the best weekend to sell cashless transaction data mining and ChatGPT computation of social credit scores for human ranking.
Even though GitHub Actions did wonders for people to be able to build their software in multiple platforms, you still have to run one build per platform and distribute one file per platform. If you could run a single build instead (and be confident that Cosmo guarantees that if it works on one, it works on the others, which may be difficult of course) and distribute a single file, that would make things much simpler and more efficient. You could save a lot of electricity if you run builds on premise (not to mention it's good for the environment). I can't believe people don't see a value in this.
> Aligning a super intelligence with our desires is a problem that no one has solved yet.

It's a problem that we haven't seen the existence of yet. It's like saying no one has solved the problem of alien invasions.
Sure, but this is a "how do we hide inflation and not piss off customers by raising prices by 30%" thing. One way is, no more free gravy for regulars.
For a change, maybe it'd be a good idea to get a CEO who at least has faint idea about how ML works on a technical level? Would you like a company that builds rockets to be led by some salesman who doesn't understand basic Physics? Probably not. You don't need to be Hinton or Schmidhuber, but come on, who thinks it's a good idea to have these typical "Silicon Valley VC CEOs" lead an AI company?
No it's reinforcement learning with human feedback, RLHF lots of labeling
Looks like GPT 5 is ngmi. Watered down and GPT-4.5 coming up. GPT 5 coming 2026 at this rate or not at all…
It's idiocracy magical thinking like spending all of your devaluing money on lottery tickets instead of thinking and doing things properly.
Yes, and a quick test with Mithril.js confirms it.

I could try with something like React, but that's too much for a quick test.
You mean Sam will be suing all the HN and twitter commenters who called him a sister rapist? Remember, the board never said anything like that.
Also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ALT_Linux
The dirty secret of the business world is that the C-suite is the most easily replaceable.
What’s Waymo’s path to profitability?
It wasn't a question of "will these people quit there jobs at OpenAI and get into the job market because they support Sam".

It was a question of whether they'd leave OpenAI and join a new company that Sam starts with billions in funding at comparable or higher comp. In that case, of course who the employees are siding with matters.
It got a number of upvotes, but somehow ended up at the bottom of the comment thread.
Do BoringAI or LibreAI and it's just a fork but you ripped out all the old, bad stuff. (This joke doesn't really work because OpenAI is not really old enough for legacy cruft and isn't actually open enough to just be forked)
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If we do not release Laundry Buddy, that increases humanity's extinction risk
Someone help me understand OpenAI’s situation. If Sutskever remains at the company, OpenAi can continue to improve its ChatGPT models and produce model 5.0?

What leverage does Microsoft does have over OpenAi? Can Microsoft shut off access to their hardware to support Altman? Why would Microsoft want this?
And even if she did have the full context, she was going to be able to do more as CEO than as not-CEO.
The whole reason we do big-O complexity analysis is to compare the performance of algorithms. If asymptoyic complexity analysis had nothing to teach about the actual performance of actual algorithms in hardware, we wouldn't be doing it at all.

The point is now to refine the computational model to make it even better at predicting performance on actual hardware. It is well known for example that algorithms which require arbitrary jumps in memory are worse than those that require linear scans - so this is an attempt to model this aspect of performance as well.
Shopify is written in Rails, no? That's how Rails does it.
Recursive Interim CEOs. Will there be a Mandelbrot set of Interim CEOs?
Now the problem is it's impossible to get internships.
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Yep, the monitor we got with that Dimension was a 17” Trinitron, which was excellent. Probably good enough to hold its own even today.
To continue the hiring analogy it's better to have a few false negatives in order to avoid a false positive.

Not saying it's straightforward or anything, just that we probably need to put more effort into carving out an immigration policy as well as refining the "onboarding" process of immigrants.
OpenAI's recruiting pitch was 5-10+ million/year in the form of equity. The structure of the grants is super weird by traditional big-company standards, but it was plausible enough that you could squint and call it the same. I'd posit that many of the people jumping to OpenAI are doing it for the cash and not the mission.

https://the-decoder.com/openai-lures-googles-top-ai-research....
Artists need to know the rich. My brother is a technically superb artist, but has achieved artistic death by becoming the chair of an art department. He took me to visit a art school classmate. She flings paint at 10' square canvases with her back to them. He studio is a warehouse in the now-nice part of town. He said the main difference was she made a point of focusing on the social aspects of art early in her career. Her 'art' is a reasonable approximation of the Pacific Garbage Patch, but she knows people and can convince them her slop on canvas will demonstrate their advanced art appreciation. And their b-school friends are non the wiser, so it doesn't matter. She gets paid, my brother doesn't. Sure, he has a pension. She's in half the major collections in southwest. And the in-joke that gets her into those collections is the insecurity of the b-school kids.
I didn't read OpenAI's company charter, but forcing Adam down would probably require a board majority. It's not like they would have made Adam step down if they wanted to.
> they did a horrible job communicating it

I think their communication is perfectly professional. You're just expecting some weird tell-all because that's how this sector weirdly chooses to operate, just blurting shit out on twitter then thinking about the consequences later.

The wording of their press release is wonderfully professional. Discreet, generic, succinct. That's how things should be done.

It's the other side that are acting oddly. Charging into the office and taking selfies, counting public oaths of fealty on twitter? V. weird.
That's not at all how the law works. No one has been defamed.