skysight-inc/HackerNews huggingface dataset:
a) The company vision up until this point included commercial products.

b) Altman personally hired many of the rank and file.

c) OpenAI doesn't exist with customers, investors or partners. And in this one move the board has alienated all three.
ok chatgpt.
And yet it's a productive language with significant adoption, go figure.

They made trade-offs and are conservative about refining the language; that cuts both ways but works well for a lot of people.

The Go team does seem to care about improving it and for many that use it, it keeps getting better. Perhaps it doesn't happen at the pace people want but they always have other options.
It was funny because with the Clooneys both of them have actually accomplished things in significant situations and it was clearly wrong.

In this case this person seems to have primarily tried and failed to spin a robotics company out of Singularity “university” in 2012.

This only sounds adjacent to AI if you work in Hollywood.
> This is really, really clearly incestuous tech media stuff as part of a pressure campaign.

There’s no evidence of that, only your assumptions. Lots of comments from knowledgeable folks outside the media and who couldn’t care less about a “pressure campaign”, even if it did exist, think the board was clueless and got duped into making a huge mistake with the coup.
Perhaps they are smoothing things out with some key stakeholders after the fact, and will have more to say Monday regarding all this. I doubt they aren’t now doing some amount of information level setting with people now that the decision was made
So if Sam Altman is back by tomorrow (Sunday) after being crucified on Friday, I think that means the end of the world is near.
Yeah, it's good to have such voices around.
> Apple slaps them in grossly thermally limited form factors, where the chips can't operate anywhere close to their capability.

Checks temp of iMac, while encoding video and maxing all cores.... nope.
Solar panels are wired in series.
you have no idea how well protected the domestic auto industry is from foreign vehicles. people will cite Honda and Toyota but the rules were altered in a such a way to bring Toyota/Honda in and put downward pressure on the domestic industry but not kill them. Let's not forget GM went out of the business and our government bailed them out.
You are apparently not up-to-date with the latest developments. Please go read the other thread.

It is going pretty much according to the few ways in which it could go: lawsuit with unknown outcome (most probably by MSFT or other minority shareholder), reversal, board (or selected board members) resigns. The future timeline in which nothing changes and the board holds fast is not one that I think is viable, assuming Altman didn't murder anybody in broad daylight.

And while I in principle agree with your character assessment (though I wouldn't put it in those terms, I'm not qualified to diagnose people to that degree) that still doesn't mean you can do what you can do in any way that you want to do it without consequences. The board forgot for a hot moment that they are first and foremost representatives of the stakeholders and govern accordingly. To oust one founder and cause another founder to walk you have to have grave reasons and solid support from all of the stakeholders.

So far I have not seen these so the decision can't stand as it is. It's entirely possible that those grave reasons exist, and even then this should have been handled with some tact, not the blunt side of the axe.
I honestly don't know what you're talking about. This article and The Verge one just describe the likely reality of the situation.

Sam Altman was fired. 4 other key people quit and it seems more will follow and join Sam's new venture. This outcome would be a disaster for Microsoft, for other OpenAI investors and for OpenAI. So the board is, per multiple sources, talking with Sam Altman to return. The board declined to comment and is free to clarify any inaccuracies.

There's no need for a spin, the board has miscalculated and got itself in a bad spot.
That’s not only trivial to replace with enough funding for training, but ChatGPT is barely a 0.1 release. Everything after is where the big money is.
definitely a clash of cult first demagoguery and principles first worship.

these CEO Salaries and egos outstrip practical value, replaced by "who you know* value, a foolish capital intensive self fulfilling prophecy.
All stars are fixed point-like, basically static coordinates, so it's more of when one object encroaches another within a few micro-degrees.

3-body problem implies crazy perturbations and chaos theory and invoking of pendulum analogies, and all that's true, but due to the magnitudes of difference between human timescales and cosmological, we know the eclipses, occults, and all other matter of quirky alignment and other miscellaneous minute for millennia to come.
From what I can tell the star that it occulted in September was much too dim to be visible with the naked eye, whereas this is one of the brightest and most easily visible and distinctive stars in the night sky.
Putting it as an open position is in poor taste.
They might not even have believed that they'd win, just that this outcome would be better than being silently outmaneuvered.

If the coup fails in the end (which seems likely), it will have proved that the "nonprofit safeguard" was toothless. Depending on the board members' ideological positions, maybe that's better than nothing.
3 out of 7, which is roughly a 1/3.

Which is to say, they were likely Altman supporters. Which is fine! They’re free to do as they wish.

However if that’s it (and it does remain to be seen if more happens or not) than 2/3 of folks stand by the decision, which would match with the board votes
> Instead the board thought it was a boxing match

Or maybe chess[1].

[1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cv9n0QbLUM
Insanely based take.

Sam tries to sound smart while not really having any technical insight. He does a tremendous job with it though.

One way to think about this is: at some point in the next few years we'll have a few hundred GPUs/TPUs that can provide the compute the compute used to train GPT3.

This discovery was always going to happen. The question is if OpenAI made radical scaling possible unlike before. Answer there is also a no. There are clear limits to number of collocated GPUs, nVidia release cycles, TSMC capacity, power generation etc.,

So in the best case OpenAI fudged the timeline a little bit. Real credit belongs to the Deep Learning community as a whole.
One thing I'd like to see is offloading object detection to the camera. Many cameras now include event detection and I'd like to use the on-board dedicated hardware in each camera rather than trying to do it on a local GPU for each of my data streams.
HN seems to do this with Reddit a lot
I'm sorry but I already have an uncomfortable relationship with my phone uploading massive amounts of data to other companies. Why the absolute freak would I want to dump more of my personal life (an always on camera, and mic) into an even less diverse set of hands (a single company)?

Not only that it wouldn't be a sea of hard to parse through data it'd be (by design) uploaded to an assistant that you can just ask questions to.

Police officer:
- where is his next meeting?
- is he currently armed?
- has he been sleeping well?
- did he take his pills today?
- when does he usually go to his car?

No research needed. Just access.
It’s 11% up over the month. He’s not obsessing over this 2%. It’s more strategic than that if he’s involved.
I’ve seen it happen before because the stdlib actually directly just makes POSIX syscalls for a lot of things by default instead of using the native Go implementations and so you’re implicitly reliant on C code
This is legit bonkers, and if it wasn't for lots of "razors", would reek of manipulation. Luckily we have Humanity in play, so it really is just sheer bonkers.
Show HN: The Future of Sam Altman – A text adventure GPT game
Would they tho? Altman and Brockman are not AI people, they’re business guys.
It is different. if you are very high up there is too much wind for a balcony and you have no relationship with street life (people look like ants). 5-stories aka Paris-size is human scale, anything much taller isn't. The higher the floor, the less frequently people leave their building.
ClopenAI, it is both open and closed!
I might describe the western countries as being cocksure and overly optimistic after the USSR fell apart. Would also describe the amount of nuclear weapons produced during the 1960-70's as insane and serving no rational reason other than pure pork.
This is everything. MSFT has no de jure power but all the de facto power.
I seriously doubt customers or (most) partners care about this. I have yet to hear of a single customer or partner leave the service, and I do not believe it to be likely. Simply, unless they shut down their offerings on Monday they will have their customers.

Investors care, but if new management can keep the gravy track, they ultimately won’t care either.

Companies pivot all the time. Who is to say the new vision isn’t favored by the majority of the company?
Unwilling? Journalism printed money hand over fist for many years, at least newspapers did. How was the quality of journalism during e.g. Vietnam or the Gulf War to name two examples? Somewhere on the spectrum between outright propaganda and garbage.

Things are getting worse, but let's not pretend that when journalism was raking it in the quality was actually decent. Chomsky published Manufacturing Consent in 1988.
Plus you just add a position based delay. This is quite the bikeshed!
> No it isn't, and yes it does. By definition, the more features I add to something, the more complex it becomes.

Yes, and go opts to include features that unnecessarily increase complexity in this manner, such as nil values.

> All of these are behavior and operators that are documented in the language spec. So how is any of these a "footgun"?

By this logic, no language with a spec can have footguns. C and C++, notorious for their footguns, both specify their behavior in the spec, so do they not have any footguns?
No, FHE is not intrinsically vulnerable to any side-channel attacks, by definition; the properties hold no matter how the "executor" executes the operations and they include the assumption that obviously they can see (or change!) everything that happens during the execution.

However, that effectively means that any FHE approach has to be "anti-optimized", always touching all the data that might get touched, always taking all the conditional paths, not just the worst case path as in constant time algorithms, since the execution must return the correct result for any encrypted input data.

It's not that you can "see if we can avoid those with constant-time algorithms or something", the basic table stakes (which all FHE methods actually implement) is the constant-time algorithm approach taken to the extreme and then squared.

It does have "some" unavoidable performance impact because of that.
I agree that coding is hard. This is coming from someone who's been coding for 15 years straight as my day job plus nights and weekends on open source. I've literally been working during 2/3 of my entire spare time excluding sleep (which is 6 to 7 hours per day).
You should read the safety paper of GPT-4. It can easily manipulate humans to attains it goals.
How does Poe compete with OpenAI? It's literally running OpenAI's models.
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I agree about the topic.

I'm not really a fan of "You should" stuff. I always try to word it as "I do this," or "When we do this", etc.

Little less "dictatorial," but then, I'm used to dealing with folks that are very contrarian, and have learned the futility of trying to get others to do something; even when it directly benefits them.

Because of this, I have been accused of "narcism," and "making it all about me." I guess we can't win for losing.

But I love to write. The problem is, it takes a lot of time and energy. I have been quite occupied with a project, the last couple of years, and that has interfered with my writing.
So then the question is: how much weight do these votes actually carry because if the votes are by people who in turn don't have much support themselves (both within, employees, other board members and without, shareholders in the for-profit, donors and founders, then they can fire the CEO but they may not be able to make it stick if it isn't for an extremely good reason.

I haven't seen that reason yet, though I don't rule out one exists and even then you'd have to do this in a way that it doesn't ruffle the feathers of your ultimate paymasters. Being a board members of a large company is an exercise in diplomacy, not in bull-in-a-china-store level incompetence.
It's funny, but option A is almost always best if you care about yourself, but option B is best if you care about the company or mission. Large organizations are chock-full of people who always choose option A. Small startups are better because option B is the only option as nothing can be easily hidden.
Seems like the easy answer is not to remove anyone’s ownership over their own content or their rights to distribute it on their own or however they want, but rather to also force them to release on something central as well.
Still, the untaxed 100K threshold is quite low, it's a shame that a lifetime of work is so heavily taxed. Especially given how the government is spending it...

My personal theory about this high inheritance tax is that it's real purpose is to keep people in a slave-like state in respect to big corporations and the state itself. Having too many people escape the rat race and thus having time to think for themselves or freedom to go elsewhere is seen as a real danger for those in power.
I wouldn't mind a focus on reliably following tasks with greater intelligence; what I think is negative utility is focusing more compute and research resources on hypothetical superintelligence alignment — the entire focus of Ilya's "Superalignment" project — when GPT-4 is still way, way sub-human-intelligence. For example, I don't think the GPT Store was in any way a dangerous idea, which seems to have been Ilya's claimed safety red line.
I made a simple text based game using custom ChatGPT with images generated by DALL·E

User can choose if Sam Altman will become the hero or the villain
I fully agree with that. But if you read this thread or any other recent HN thread, you will see "AGI... AGI... AGI" as if it's a real thing. The whole openai debacle with firing/rehiring sama revolves around (non-existent) "AGI" and its imaginary safety/unsafety, and if you dare to question this whole narrative, you will get beaten up.
Here's the discussion on the EA forum if anyone is interested: https://forum.effectivealtruism.org/posts/HjgD3Q5uWD2iJZpEN/...

I think the EA movement has been broadly skeptical towards Sam for a while -- my understanding is that Anthropic was founded by EAs who used to work at OpenAI and decided they didn't trust Sam.
I find it difficult to believe that a city-wide distributed synchronization algorithm could actually work. How do you deal with the photo-electronic-photo propagation delay, and ensure that each sensor is paying attention to the correct emitters, possibly including itself?

Even if you somehow got it to work, one guy with a hacked flashlight could throw the whole thing into chaos.
> For me he is just a CEO and completely exchangeable.

Are you part of OpenAI governance, or any company's governance structure? If not, does it really matter whether someone is exchangeable or not for you?
Why do you think 150Hz is unacceptable? People used to watch 50Hz TV, and weren't bothered too much. And San Jose used to use 60Hz flickering streetlights (sodium? not sure) to reduce light pollution for Lick Observatory.
It's related insofar that Sam or no Sam, OpenAI might be done with their part for good. It seems like they might have GPT-5 up their sleeve but after that, I can't be certain if they have a winning horse in this race to the bottom.

It might be like betting on electricity companies to become the biggest winners just because electricity is going to be everywhere.
“He also spoke with Masayoshi Son, the chief executive and billionaire founder of the tech conglomerate SoftBank”

That made me laugh a knowing laugh even though I know nothing.
Sure, but without funding and/or massive support from MS this is not going to happen.
A common definition of intelligence is the capacity for problem solving.

There are few fields where the capacity for problem solving is more relevant.

People do have innate limitations. I agree that it's dangerous to categorize one's self too harshly, but it's also important to understand your own capabilities and limitations.

Telling people they have no innate limitations sounds nice, but probably just results in them becoming more frustrated and confused if they do hit those limits later on.

I say this as someone who has hit my own limits before. They exist. Maybe not in an absolute sense - I could likely learn nearly anything - but in a relative sense. If it takes me ten times longer than the average participant, it's simply not viable as a career. As a hobby? Sure, go wild.
There's nothing insane at all. The board has the freedom to make their choices, but they must own the consequences of those choices. This appears to be a choice they made which has had obvious consequences they miscalculated. Having to walk it back to some degree would prove their inability to effectively plan and govern.
It seems incredible that the OpenAI board would hastily bring back someone whom they fired hastily fired just 24 hours prior, allegedly for serious ethical reasons, something tantamount to lying to the board.

What am I missing ?
AJP founded by Noam Chomsky was muzzled by Columbia for daring not to celebrate the Likud narrative enthusiastically enough. It's moral cowardice when institutions and platforms fold to the demands of extremists who don't want free expression or demand blind allegiance.

PS: I recommend The Fateful Triangle (1999 edition) as prescient reading.
It could easily make better decisions than these board members, for example.
So what qualifies as a studio is any content producer a studio? And now you’re going to make a law that says content creators can’t sell subscriptions to their content? Does this also count for OnlyFans?

Why is video special? Why only say video producers can’t have subscriptions to their own content but writers can?

And the law that you are referring to is no longer a thing
I believe (but could be wrong) that's only true for western music, tuned to 440hz as an "A" with 12 steps between octaves. Eastern music for example, with stringed instruments without frets, like Sitar for example, sounds very different and I believe its because they don't follow that practice. Highlighting that was my intent between linking a particular piece of music thats well outside the mainstream top 40. (alternatively, consider my tone-deaf self in middle school trying to tune my euphonium by adjusting the slide randomly and pretending i could hear a difference)
I'll put a link to it in the other thread. Thanks!
I've confirmed that it's the x-www-browser process maxing out the core, so I doubt it's the DE, and it probably isn't D-Bus either.
What you describe as 'absolute horrors' are what most people call making breakfast.

The 'tragedy of animal testing' isn't -- at least as relates to food stock animals.
Last I checked he only had 49% of the company.

I also feel, that they can patch relationships, Satya may be upset now but will he continue to be upset on Monday?

It needs to play out more before we know, I think. They need to pitch their plan to outside stakeholders now
OpenAI hasn’t received much funding from Microsoft or other investors, and is profitable already with no lack of interested suitors for funding and partnership. Microsoft’s leverage is grossly overstated mostly because it suits Microsoft to appear important to OpenAI when it’s the other way around.
Related: https://www.forbes.com/sites/alexkonrad/2023/11/18/openai-in...

(via https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38325611, but we merged those comments hither)
It's not trivial given current supply bottlenecks, not to mention research expertise.
You can certainly pay them the duration of the noncompete at their prevailing wage.

In fact, this already exists. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garden_leave

It really should be required of all noncompetes.
Dunno dude, I’ve been in the industry for almost 3 decades, programming for almost 40 years, and I still enjoy it a lot.
Sure, that might be true on paper, but if you have the ability to turn off the money faucet you have a lot of leverage regardless of what the documents say. No espionage drama needed haha.

If you then imagine being dependent on that investor not only because your service runs on their infra but also your biggest enterprise customers use your service through their infra, you are even more incentivised to listen to them..
There is now the event trigger in the API where you can tell frigate something has happend like a doorbell press. I'm still not clear if this just acts like a regular motion event where it'll do person detection ect after. if so I was thinking of setting up a mm-microwave sensor at my front door because the shadows constantly trigger motion events.
Weiner, "Code Poems" (1982) [pdf]
>ramblings of an old man wishing the world had technologized "better."

it will happen to all of us someday
First mover advantage and Microsoft integration is nothing to sneeze at.
1 point for having a good reply. 100 points for doing it in code. Well done!
Really? I don’t know of a positional encoding scheme that’ll handle this.
Any proof that makes her incompetent or ill-informed or are you simply speculating as such?
Yes, and talking about it is a definition of gossip. Meh.
the point of a non-profit is that they are allowed to make investors unhappy in pursuit of the greater mission

A non-profit isn’t supposed to have investors. This structure should never have been allowed in the first place (nor IKEA.)
Well with this extremely baffling level of incompetence, the suspect backgrounds of the outside members (EA, SingularityU/shell companies... Logan Roy would call them "not serious people", Quora - why, for data mining?!) fit the bill.

The time to do this was before ChatGPT was unleashed on the world, before the MS investment, before this odd governance structure was setup.

Yes, having outsiders on the board is essential. But come on, we need folks that have recognized industry experience in this field, leaders, people with deep backgrounds and recognized for their contributions. Hinton, Ng, Karpathy, etc.
Really? Apple recycles designs ALL the time. And they will compromise design to do it. Look at the SE iPhones, low-end iPads, etc.

It's the Tim Cook playbook. FFS they regularly sell years old computers.
Welcome to The Verge. This is the same website that pasted “reporting by Alex Heath” on the original article - which was literally just regurgitating the board’s press release and pasting in some tweets. Reporting, huh?

Good job if you can get it.
> "other developers are going to see how shitty of a developer I am and it'll jeopardize my reputation forever"

Those who put down others or leave nonconstructive feedback, even HN commenters, are not worth your time worrying over.
trivial to replace

And yet no one has been able to do that since gpt4 was released.