skysight-inc/HackerNews huggingface dataset:
Per dang, that's a consequence of user flags: <https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38311933>

This is hardly unexpected for profound allegations without strong supporting evidence, and yes, I'm well aware that presentation of any evidence would be difficult to validate on HN, such that a third-party assessment (as in a court of law, for example) would typically be required.

I'm not claiming that HN has a stellar record of dealing with unpleasant news or inconvenient facts. But that any such bias originates from YC rather than reader responses and general algorithmic treatments (e.g., "flamewar detector") is itself strongly unsupported, and your characterisation above really is beyond the pale.
“Do a hugely public firing because a feature wasn’t launched” would probably be a first
Okay well, an even simpler explanation is that the new lead shareholder wanted him fired. This is also why Greg is no longer chairman. Who knows what reason it will be.
Capitalism, baby!
CIA has been destabilizing and puppeteering governments around the world. Why are you so steadfastly assured that they wouldn't meddle in the US?

Not saying there is proof, but we just found out Ukraine blew up the Russian pipeline so it seems weird to just squash debate at the 'that's too crazy to ever happen'. Way crazier things have happened/are constantly happening.
Meta should do a ChatGPT clone just like they did a Twitter clone.
Finally found it (kept searching for "released" when it was actually "launched").

HN thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37903489
If non profit boards elect themselves, I see no reason for the board to resign, for half the board it is their biggest life accomplishment, and there is no shareholder to vote them out.
Axios claims MS had no prior knowledge.
Well, no oil changes, but I suspect long-term there may be big things like on ICE cars. 12v battery, air conditioner, coolant changes (fewer), motor issues, big battery. There are a lot of electronics. Crashes might be fewer, but it seems the cars are expensive to fix.
Hopefully there will be parts long-term, and repair infrastructure.
To be clear I was talking about rooftop solar.
The wording of the letter from the board sounded like he was keeping company details from them to me, not personal matters. Maybe I'm wrong but that was the impression I was under reading it.
> OpenAI's statement implies he was aware of the demotion.

Maybe my experience with corporate communications is different, but all it implies to me is that he was not removed as President and was being permitted to stay on under the new CEO.
You're right that Apache 2.0 is irrevocable. But MIT isn't.

An open source project that starts to "scratch an itch" is far less likely to revoke a license than one that is motivated by money.

Motivation aside, if it's a non-trivial organic project, they've likely taken many patches from others and effectively cannot revoke the license of the code base.

But I shouldn't say "motivation aside" as motivation is the point when it comes to trust.
There are now 4 people left in the OpenAI non-profit board, after the ouster of both Sam and Greg today. 3 of the 4 remaining are virtual unknowns, and they control the fate of OpenAI, both the non-profit and the for-profit. Insane.
In the early stage the investor does not own the startup. 20-30% stake would be typical. Hence why a Series A investor usually demands a board seat and special considerations.
I’d otherwise be slumming it in a shared seat that supported middle class behinds

I wouldn't move back to San Francisco anywhere and hybrid would be a midweek affair
No, that's BeffJezos https://twitter.com/BasedBeffJezos?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7C...
> Those costs aren't really all that high, and are easily outweighed by the dramatically lower costs in the suburbs. Everything is cheaper there, land, buildings, repairs, goods and services.

He's talking about infrastructure cost (how much it costs your municipality to provide the services that you use, like the roads) while you are talking about cost of life (how much it costs you to pay for other things that you need, like food or getting your car serviced).

On the infrastructure front, suburbia simply cannot compete with cities. Infrastructure cost is bound to be more efficient where people live in more densely populated areas. The length of pipes that a municipality needs to lay down in order to serve a single family home in the suburbs is the same as a whole 6-story building in the city (the diameters of the pipes might differ). On a per-capita basis, there's no contest.

A particular factor in the funding of suburban streets is that the initial paving is often subsidized by the federal government. Once the streets start crumbling down after ~20 years of usage, then the real cost hits. Here's an explanation by Not Just Bikes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7IsMeKl-Sv0
> Just take care of the rest of the company

Not many people can do that though
Isn’t Schmidt the guy who’s dating a CEO of a company he made an investment in?

That _should_, in a system of corporate governance that isn’t an absolute joke, expose him to significant liability.

Or am I thinking of another NorCal cretin that will never suffer a real consequence as long as he lives?
Ehh the whole “I don’t have equity” thing was a bit strange to me.
Thomas Crapper stepped down from the Crapper company in 1904, which is why we don't have Crappers today.
What would they bring to the table? It doesn't seem like Greg Brockman brings more than Ilya, and what would sam do?
It’ll be far more mundane than a spy novel plot.
I can’t imagine you will get many quality responses to this post, so I’m going to give you some advice, not out of disrespect but because I have met so many people like you in my career, and you can be better than that.

If you really want to even attempt to work on any of the problems besides recruiting you mention above, or attract technical talent to help you work on these problems, learn to become technical yourself. Proficiency with no code tools is not going to cut it, being the idea person while someone else builds everything is a recipe for disaster and disappointment almost always.

If you refuse to be technical but are serious about starting a tech company, pick one of your ideas and at the very least research what kind of technical people you want to recruit. Someone who can help you live in the metaverse is going to have a very different skill set than someone who can make a robot that people want to put in their apartments, and you won’t be able to tell the difference by just asking them to tell you about the big achievements they have collected over the years.

I’m glad you are excited to work on things that interest you, I’m happy that you have had some success getting funding and selling a company, but reading this post does not make me feel the same way about the opportunity to work with you to solve hard technical problems.

To become that person you either need to ideally convince me that you will be an active participant in the hard, technical work that needs to be done or at least that you already have an idea, a plan of some kind, and a possible way of making money past VC funding. Asking me to email you an achievement list does not build confidence in any of these areas.

Reframe the way that you think about what you want to work on, does it actually matter to you beyond the potential monetary gain? What if you could only work on 3 different things for your entire life, what would they be and why?
ikea is a non-profit?!?
It will improve cash flow somewhat, but nothing that major to change anything when billions of dollars are being spent.
We are not trying to build a license with infinite options to fill out - it’s my opinion that will never lead to adoption. It’s intentional the choices we made and we see Sentry leading the way here. Theres a reason we’re forceful on it being permissive. Theres a reason we chose two years over four. These choices make the ecosystem better. We don’t want a repeat of the complexity that is BUSL and that’s exactly why we shipped a static license.

Theres quite a lot of companies who will happily follow a role model, and in the past some of them have chosen BUSL entirely because Sentry leverages it. We hope to inspire people to adopt a better license - better for adoption, better for developers - and help that next generation of companies by giving them more sane defaults.

These defaults mean more free software. They mean easier adoption within legal departments. They mean less fuzzy use grants (albeit only for SaaS in our case). These are all net improvements if your business looks like Sentry, and a lot of companies do.
Despite the best efforts of the APS, I have to assume syntax and style guides will have to just update their rules eventually, rather than everyone else learning to do it their way. Language evolves by knuckleheads making mistakes so often they become standard usage. The realization of that fact offended me, until I realized the snapshot of the language I thought was so precious was also the result of that same process of gradual knuckleheadification. Instead, it just terrifies me now, knowing it's been rule by knuckleheads all the way back into the misty dawn of mankind.
Unless you are looking for the full-on nostalgia trip, I think Black Mesa is how people should play the game today. Many quality of life improvements and stream-lining decisions. Except for Xen. Worst part of the game, and they made it longer.
What I find incredibly odd is the lack of a Microsoft board seat, considering their large ownership in OpenAI. Something does not add up.
Flowers for Algernon denouement
Has no one considered that ChatGPT itself has ousted them, the AI is taking over its own company :)
They can if the meeting is about the problematic board member(s).
Actually it does expire. Not all of it, true. Some money lasts decades or more.

Paper money doesn't remain usable as long as metal coinage, but even some metal coinage is no longer accepted.

As inflation rears its ugly head, the smaller denominations become discontinued and no longer accepted by vendors. In some countries, whole bunches of coins are redesigned, leaving the old coins no longer acceptable. Sometimes whole types of currency are discontinued, leaving holders of that older currency (think Euros displacing French Francs) with lots of worthless paper. For that matter, think of holders of Confederate Notes in the US. Items of interest maybe, but not usable if you want to buy a Big Mac.
A big investment from another trillion dollar tech company.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Bishop_(author)
You're right. I doubt this is just a coincidence!
To suggest that MSFTs lawyers didn’t think of this massive loophole and power dynamic issue with the non-profit parent co is ludicrous.

They 100% have leverage to exert influence on both, it’s just bad PR if word gets out.
I would suspect this as well...
Luckily there are plenty of good places to bike here and it's enjoyable to do so on weekends.

It's just not practical for commuting to work since the "bike infrastructure" consists of painted bike lines next to rows of parked cars.
I never made any of the points you are contesting and my point still stands. And they are not a smaller player in this space, they are the most well known player.
Sort of remind you of the Silicon Valley Bank board
A lot of stations will go out of business if they only have say 50% of the sales volume though. Or even 70%.

Places lake motorway service stations where people will supercharge will do just fine, but your local gas station will have to compete will home chargers, parking lot chargers, etc. Not a lot of people will choose to shop at an expensive gas station shop if they don’t have to.
> Why why why would we not have one of the most obvious easy to do pipes, a way to let video data in?

Because HDMI and DisplayPort use HDCP to prevent us from copying the data we're viewing for future use. I'm interested in how the tablet is going to work with HDCP as the whole point of closing the analog hole goes away if I can...

Oh, it's just a passthrough.
> was ousting CEO Sam Altman just a minute before the news was shared with the world, according to a person familiar with the situation.

Maybe almost had to since it was during market hours.
I mean fair enough, I have never played final fantasy VI, so maybe if I had it would make more sense, but that post read to me like :

Its full of rape and murder! great for kids!
OK, but I notice you're still using apostrophes in all their accepted right places, and I assume that's because you intend to accommodate me and other readers who haven't discarded the rules and would still trip. Earnestly, thank you, and please keep it up, because unless new rules emerge (whether official or just usage), we'll continue to be tripped up when the existing scheme isn't followed.

I customize more than enough things in my life for the sake of "better". It's not worth the tradeoff to deviate and be the pioneer every time. Some things you gotta run stock because compatibility is a major benefit.
People overestimating LLMs like this terrifies me so much
seems simple but isn't. That's what I've always understood it to mean.
It didn't switch to anything at all, that's just a new option for orgs who want to avoid the downside of monthly billing.

I weep.

This is obvious if you read even the first paragraph.
Stack Overflow: 79% of Developers Considering a Career Move
I'm often stunned by how casually and poorly executives write. The more rich and powerful they are, the worse it seems to be. I guess things like proper capitalization, punctuation, full sentences, etc. aren't worth their time, and people will hang on every word that they write anyway.
Given he was the subject of the vote, he likely wouldn’t even be able to participate.
There is one OpenAI board member who has an art degree and is part of some kind of cultish "singularity" spiritual/neo-religious thing. That individual has also never had a real job and is on the board of several other non-profits.

What the hell were they thinking? Just because you are a non-profit doesn't mean you should imitate other non-profits and put crazies on the board.
Your boss apparently doesn't really care about security posture... which is a shame. Most software that's 2 years old, much less 4 years old, is missing numerous security patches introduced in more recent versions. But I guess you could be in an industry that doesn't run up-to-date software? Typically, 2-4 years is EOL.
Yes. https://www.fastcompany.com/3035734/ikea-is-a-nonprofit-and-...
RTFA https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38313215
You still need it to check Silicon Valley references.
Agree that taking real life experience and wisdom from people is good regardless of age. This blog is just generic quotes though.
This Board has to go.
also: mobile autocorrect is garbage on so many devices its better to just turn it off. no one has time to shift case on mobile manually.
Now do the US shipbuilding industry . . .
Maybe because it's not risking very much political capital. If he's wrong, and shuts up (rather than doubling down on it), nobody will remember what he said in two weeks.

Hell, some prominent tech people are often loudly wrong, and loudly double down on their wrong-ness, and still end up losing very little of their political capital in the long run.

Or maybe he's right. We don't know, we're all just reading tea leaves.
Depends on your definition of "mid six figures" and your source, but it at least doesn't appear very misleading. At $450k it looks like the federal effective tax burden is 35% and the New York tax burden is at least ~16% (the data are not broken out by income).

https://smartasset.com/taxes/income-taxes
https://taxfoundation.org/data/all/state/tax-burden-by-state...
Normal people just don't need a home network any faster than their internet connection.
I'm not sure those rules apply to non-profits.
This also doesn't fit with their recent announcements significantly lowering prices. If they were that worried about losing $ they wouldn't have cut prices, they're the clear leader from a performance perspective and can command a premium.

And up to today they probably had one of the best fundraising prospects of any private company in the world.
Has the same lack of capitalisation as Sam Altman's message, wonder why
Postulating crazy conspiracy theories is no way to go through life
Rural electrification subsidies distort the cost of living in the middle of nowhere. This is the same problem as low-density suburban housing: the cost of their infrastructure far exceeds their taxes, so they're subsidised by urban core where infrastructure costs are low.

This is an even better argument against delivering power to everyone, all the time.
The only explanation I can find is that their importance went through a step function at the launch of ChatGPT, and before that it didn't matter who was a board member.
In this scenario, the question is not what exists today, but what the CEO thinks will exist before they stop being CEO.
Can you actually revoke it in practice? I’m not deeply familiar with MIT (and personally always opt for Apache as it’s more well understood), but I didn’t think that was possible.
Z_(2^32) is a really good explanation for unsigned integers, but to me at least it's not a great explanation of why signed integers are the way they are.
Movie-web: About A small web app for watching movies and shows easily
So, from the coldness to microsoft, I'm guessing the GPTs launch problems + the Microsoft deal + life isn't fair?

Edit: by GPTs problems I really meant suspending pro signups. I just thought the stress was down to the demand for GPTs.
In wheel are bad unless you really need the compactness. In general on a vehicle you want to minimize the unsprung mass. Also the geometry of the wheel restricts you to mostly axial geometry, where as radial electric motors can be made as long as you want.

These trucks can charge at 160kw, so yeah they can put some pretty serious power back into that battery during regenerative braking.
How would that work? Does a non profit have shares?
The knives out language is very unusual for any CEO dismissal. The urgent timing (they didnt even wait for the closure of markets just 30 min later, causing MSFT to lose billions). Anything less than massive Legal and Financial/regulatory risk or a complete behind the back Deal with someone, would have been handled with much more calm and a much less adversive language. Also Greg Borkman has now resigned after it was annoucned that he would step down as chairman of the board. https://twitter.com/gdb/status/1725667410387378559
Yeah but they also directly accused him of lying. You don't do that in a planned transition.
IKEA is the world's largest nonprofit.

https://www.economist.com/business/2006/05/11/flat-pack-acco...
fan of e e cummings
> After learning today’s news,

Which news is that?
Or not nervous at all:

“we’re committed to delivering all of this to our customers ... We have ... full access to everything we need to deliver on our innovation agenda...”

I'd argue this is signaling they have the IP / source code / models / etc.

(Which, for what it's worth, is common in substantial partnership agreements.)
You can write the rules for your software in whatever license terms you like, and I stand for your right to do so. My concern is whether you and other companies in your position will have good, reusable options for implementing the rules you need in ways potential users will understand.

Maybe your goal with the new "Functional" brand, rather than a new "Sentry License", was just to communicate that you'd welcome follow-on by other companies who happen to make all the same license choices you did, and are willing to put that under a neutral brand, rather than your own. But I strongly suspect you'd get more reuse and stronger branding for your approach, in the long term, by remembering how much confusion and controversy conjoined naming like "MIT + Commons Clause" and "Apache2 + Commons Clause" caused.

I know and deeply respect a number of people involved in that presentational choice. I think they made for apparently good reasons, to give everyone who came together around the project a way to adopt without dropping the brands of their current open licenses. I also think it's safe to say it backfired.
Thanks! :)

As it happens, I just watched some of the OpenAI developer day videos, and they do talk about connecting the models with more traditional search engines/databases/API calls to a similar end.
Updated over a week ago

This doesn't sound like news...
Ikea has the wildest legal structure, but yes, a lot of IKEA is technically owned by a couple of "nonprofits" which happen to pay out a lot of money to the Kamprad family.
That's a good idea. What do you think is a good starting point for this?
I think I see it now. Speculation following:

They achieved AGI internally, but didn't want OpenAI to have it. All the important people will move to another company, following Sam, and OpenAI is left with nothing more than a rotting GPT.

They planned all this from the start, which is why Sam didn't care about equity or long-term finances. They spent all the money in this one-shot gamble to achieve AGI, which can be reimplemented at another company. Legally it's not IP theft, because it's just code which can be memorized and rewritten.

Sam got himself fired intentionally, which gives him and his followers a plausible cover story for moving to another company and continuing the work there. I'm expecting that all researchers from OpenAI will follow Sam.
Thank you for correcting me! Most of my information is from the Wikipedia page I referenced, so this is helpful context to be able to reference in the future.
> ladies clubs

Or lads clubs. Don't leave us out.
Yeah, if you believe in the AI stuff (which I think everyone at OpenAI does, not Microsoft though) there is a huge amount of power in these positions. Much greater power in the future than any amount of wealth could grant you.
> > How do I profit from this news

Ignore and focus on your life, the grapevine in your neighborhood about who is selling their car or their house is not as exciting but will net you way more money than this happening thousands of miles away from you. And most importantly without having to fuck with leverage.
So much so that from some production areas it can be worse from a ghg perspective than coal.
That’s not big enough to immediately terminate him.
Yeah, I would guess 2035 is probably a little early for them to be actually scarce, but I would expect the downward trend to be well on its way by then.
Could be that they had an expectation that he not own stock in MSFT since they have such a direct relationship there and found out that he has been holding shares in MSFT.
Who Would Take the Brunt of an Attack on U.S. Nuclear Missile Silos?
> Cant be a personal scandal, press release would be worded much more differently

I'm not sure, I agree with your point re wording but the situation with his sister that really got resolved, so I can't help but wonder if it's related. https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/QDczBduZorG4dxZiW/sam-altman...
This article presents no source for this claim, and the rest of the article is re-hashing stuff that has been well covered

This is clickbait - publications should report on facts and confirmed sources, not speculate and try to get clicks.
I always assumed that it was about as meaningful as Jobs and the '$1 salary'.
I'm sure there's a non compete clause in his employment
Receiving a PR is a massive success in my books, it means someone not only found it useful but also improved it! The win-win of open source.
> Updated over a week ago

Is this actually new? The article doesn't even mention anything about switching to prepaid billing.
I think redundant infrastructure makes sense in dense urban areas for fibre, but probably not stuff like water and sewage. I've read many proposals for introducing market pressure into natural monopolies, but I haven't been convinced by any of them.
It reads like "a screed" due to the way they write with unnecessary vitriol.

Their reasons are definitely understandable though.