skysight-inc/HackerNews huggingface dataset:
This is certainly a take, but MSFT would probably sue the hell out of them if they tried to do this.
ah ok makes sense. I thought he just resigned in response to Altman's ouster, so there was no board decision to remove Brockman.
It varies by jurisdiction and board rules, but this is a common setup and a very reasonable guess.
That is one problem with non-profits. They end up with completely unprofessional leadership because they hire their friends who are crazies just like themselves.

When things cool down in a few months we will learn Altman and Brockman were some of the few sane people on the board.
> It says he lied, explicitly, just with slightly nicer words.

No it doesn't. "Not being candid" does not explicitly mean lying. It's like the old tea towel joke where the people at the bottom say "it's shit" and the manager one rung up says "it's manure" and the next one says "it's fertilizer" and by the time it's reached the CEO they're saying "it promotes growth".
Traditional brands sell many more SKUs than Tesla. It is likely they will need a large lot just to have all the variations in SKUs available for test drive. Tesla isn't particularly good at their so-called "demo drive" actually. Last time I tried to test drive both AWD and RWD variations of the same model but they couldn't do that. Needless to say I didn't buy a Tesla.
Related ongoing thread:

Greg Brockman quits OpenAI - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38312704
No I don’t think that’s what happened at all. Also memorizing code and rewriting it is very much IP theft.
Link to the post?
Most executives are covered by Errors and Omissions insurance which protects them from personal liability.
Isn't that what ciso roles are for? They aren't real c-suite roles are they?
I would personally give way to vehicles of any kind when walking, rather than expect them to give way to me. I have better visibility and awareness, I am easily manueverable and I can stop faster.

I will not put my life in the hands of someone and just hope they see me in order to give way to me. I will take the initiative and be responsible for myself, not require others to be responsible for me... That is called "being a burden".
Why do you think the MIT license is "revokable"? It's not - the version that was MIT licensed can always be used under that license.
Tech investigative reporters are probably on it, just wait a week or two.
You can host and use Sentry internally yourself, for free, right now (the latest version). Lots of people do.

What you can’t do is leverage that source to compete against its authors, e.g. launch a competing monitoring service. (Please consult the license.)
Headline is wrong, the link isn't t about a change but a how-to documentation page last updated “over a week ago” about how prepaid credits interact with monthly invoiced billing, and how to set up automatic prepaid billing. Monthly invoiced billing is not (from anything there) going away.
If that counts as coming up with its own content, Markov bots have been doing it for decades.
Cloud costs are already expensive, so let's change to doing normal computing tasks in an insanely inefficient manner on the cloud?

If you're a cloud computing provider/DC operator, inefficiency is a feature, not a bug.

At some point things still need to be competitive against existing, entrenched, optimized systems.
it's a way to soften your tone so it doesn't sound angry. but then it sounds like soft anger.
Sam might have abstained from voting on his own ousting, since he had a conflict of interest.
It runs far too quickly on Firefox for whatever reason.
2010s business power move
Governments will have their own black-budget private LLM networks, they don't need OpenAI. The NSA probably has a whole cluster of them in its data center in Utah, trained on every public and private communication they've slurped up over the years, likely a generation or two ahead of what's available to the public.
Maybe something to do with this?

https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/QDczBduZorG4dxZiW/sam-altman...
ah ok. I thought the board decided to remove Altman, then Brockman quit in response, so there was no deliberation about his (Brockman's) removal.
>As a part of this transition, Greg Brockman will be stepping down as chairman of the board and will remain in his role at the company, reporting to the CEO.

Its totally fair (your interpretation) to think that. He was removed as chairman though, which IMO is a demotion. I think its disingenuous on the part of OpenAI _unless_ originally Greg said he was ok with the new terms. If a company says "Person X will remain as President and report to the CEO" you would think they have worked it out with person X _before_ announcing it.
Although SteamOS is Arch which is an "unstable" rolling release.

Personally I like flatpak because you don't need root (or a writable /) to install software.
This is turning into a situation that OpenAI may not be able to recover from. Typically if the CEO and Chair of the board depart under these circumstances there was something illegal happening.
The traditional manufacturers might not, but EVs are lot simpler to make than ICE cars, and that might make it easier for new entrants to enter the market. At the moment that’s somewhat offset by the difficulty in and cost of procuring batteries, but once those become commodities I’d expect (some) EVs to be cheaper.
A CISO's role is to get fired after a data breach
That is very old for it to cause a reaction like this now.
Because one cannot access this whole thread without a Twitter account, I don't anticipate the public will see this context.

And Musk, if anyone, should know those visibility rules on the service he owns.
OpenAI exists both as a nonprofit and, for several years now, as a for-profit company [1] that has taken billions of dollars in investment. It needs to make billions of dollars to return to investors just as much as any other for-profit company does.

[1] https://openai.com/blog/openai-lp
Perhaps the board was not necessarily in a hurry but set it up to be swift, with Sam and even MS kept in the dark until the actual firing.
> You are not forced by the evil companies, you are forced by market pressure from the majority of consumers.

It can be both.

If Apple decided to do something moderately annoying to their phones without considering any user/customer feedback, it wouldn't drastically affect sales.

There's a limit, of course. If they're too hostile, too quickly, then people will buy Android phones instead. But, if it's just a little bit worse for the end user, customers will keep buying iPhones.

Why? Because of vendor lock-in. Why do you think companies have been trying to lock us in to their product ecosystems since the dawn of market economics? It's certainly not to make it EASIER for their customers to "vote with their wallets."

For example, I'd be willing to bet good money that Microsoft didn't start putting ads and shit into Windows 10 or whatever because it really thought that Windows users would just LOVE that. I also bet they didn't decide to re-enable settings during updates that users disabled because the majority of Windows users wanted to have to periodically reapply settings changes that they made...

> Not even Apple was able to resist consumer pressure, they famously yielded and made a big screen phone.

I don't know the internals of what goes on at Apple, but both the small size and the "no-stylus" convictions seemed to be due to Steve Jobs. And I'll note that both, the bigger size phones and the iPad stylus came out at least a couple years after he died. So, it's not obvious to me that Apple would have yielded on those with Jobs at the helm.
OpenAI's API has a $ limit you can set, which generally avoids the "100x larger than they were expecting" scenario
I found the lack of information of the CTO and certain board members disturbing.

Like, who is Mira Murati? We only now that she came from Albania (one of the poorest countries) and somehow got into some pretty good private schools, and then to pretty good companies. Who are her parents? What kind of connections does she pull?
Dear Apple, I do not respect knee-jerk reactions to headlines
> Come now, amortize what the eventual service costs will be...

I've been driving one since 2018, 80K miles. I've had to change tires probably 30-40% faster than ICE cars of a similar caliber (FWIW I also have become more careful on tires too). I've had exactly a cost of $1200 on it so far (not counting tires).

I think that's actually pretty decent. I think people also switch cars every 5-6 years too?
Your IDOR link made me curious and it appears that /10 is the lowest they serve: https://store.steampowered.com/app/10/CounterStrike/
During meeting on Thursday board members asked ChatGPT what is the best next step for the company and the chatbot replied "Fire Sam Altman". The board obeyed.
I thought this was a joke and would end with "/s" and now I'm just left with mouth slightly agape, completely in awe.
If he is ideologically motivated, it's not the same ideology the company is named after
US patent lawyers can’t touch China mainland.
You should look at the list of board members to get even bigger questions.
The current mystery about this would be a great setting for a dystopic scifi movie.
Illegal to restructure a business?
In the scenario I've constructed, yes.

The trick is that you don't need to threaten everybody, just any fork that gains traction and might be a viable open source project.

Otherwise stated, you don't go after every user, just the competition.
Thanks. I'm doing reasonably well in life.
so I guess non-profits do not have non-competes? I have no idea
Please give the HN guidelines[1] a glance.

Some people don’t give much thought to trucking or weights or even vehicles in general; Their connection to reality isn’t based on needing to know those things. Some people even live in places without trucks at all. The world is pretty diverse!

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
Smells like XYZ agencies, or some white gloves.
Maybe it's more about a possible exploit where you can skip paying if you pay-as-you-go.
Emails are still being flagged in 2023.
Yeah your whole counter argument is basically “nuh-uh”. Let’s go with the wallet analogy, subtraction out the unrelated battery part. Let’s say someone straight up pick pocketed your wallet, you didn’t know, and someone else reported it. The perp gets arrested. One of the three things will happen next:

1. You are informed of the theft. You confirm that the wallet is yours and perp is charged.

2. You are informed of the theft. Instead you claim that it was not stolen because you either don’t care, feel bad for the perp, you hated that wallet anyway, or any other reason. There is no case. One rando stranger’s word against another, the perp walks.

3. You are not informed of the theft. No one can prove that the wallet was stolen, because we find ourselves back in situation #2.
Tasha McCauley has her own career and should not be characterized as "wife of an actor". https://www.linkedin.com/in/tasha-m-25475a54/
is it silicon valley cool to not use uppercase letters?

Not being snarky. A genuine question.
Sure, but everything else about a data center is more expensive (real estate, operations people, networking, equipment). There's a reason AWS is so expensive.
The best part is Volvo backs up their marketing with amazing vehicles. It’s really the first car I’ve been so thoroughly pleased with. The only annoying thing is they’re going deeper on touchscreens rather than tactile controls… which is certainly quite annoying. But very few automakers are going the opposite way. Tesla ruined it for us all I guess.
Probably goes without saying, but the g factor is so widely discredited as to be a strawman of IQ. Cars don't have an underlying s factor that determines how fast they go in all conditions with perfect correlation, and yet a measurement of their average performance on a set of tracks is still a useful measure for predicting performance on other tracks. So too for IQ and g factor.

Neither am I arguing for total genetic determinism, just that the statement "it may well be that there are genetic differences. but until we have proof..." is ignoring the very real proof that cognitive traits (IQ and Big 5) are heritable to some extent. Even Turkheimer grudgingly admits that if you grab a bunch of IQ-correlated SNPs they can "predict about 10 percent of the variance".

Weighing in on the 0% genetic side is an oddly strong position to hold, just as 100% would be.
That is too small a thing for something like this. All big users can be taken to court to pay anyways.
Public transit is hot garbage in 99% of cities in the US. Bus routes represent a shuttle for moving the poor, elderly, and infirm between various public assistance offices. It won't go away, but it's unlikely to ever be more than that.
MSFT stock already dropped a bit before the bell on the news. That may be baked in by faster movers. This is not stock advice but I'm more inclined to sell NVDA as whatever happens next is a distraction and will slow AI market growth and inclined to buy Google as they have an opportunity here to do some poaching.

But for clarity sake I'm doing neither personally because I'm not a day trader and look more long term.
I mean that rules could be constantly changing in an ad-hoc manner, in such a way that to an external observer that is not the decision maker, the rules would be chaotic and completely senseless. Like the dream: there's no rule to grasp.

And I don't think it's that far off from our universe: we are likely something akin to a thought in a Mind. Anyways good chat - I think there's a big gap between our understanding of what is possible and what is, and how it can be given it is what we observe.
The data structures themselves have an overhead you have to manage. It can also go beyond tree structures too and get into advanced hashing.
If you're a materialist, it surely is.

I think it's extremely unlikely within our lifetimes. I don't think it will look anything remotely like current approaches to ML.

But in a thousand years, will humanity understand the brain well enough to construct a perfect artificial model of it? Yeah absolutely, I think humans are smart enough to eventually figure that out.
Microsoft has zero ownership of the entity the board controls (the OpenAI nonprofit), and a for-profit firm having seats on a nonprofit board especially if it was because they invested in a for-profit subsidiary of the nonprofit would raise serious issues of the “nonprofit” being run for purposes incompatible with its status.
yep, agreed. I know and have talked to some brokers about this in the past, and also closed a few deals as both a buyer and a seller. The commission was split evenly in my experiences but I should have said ‚typical‘ even if only as a starting point in negotiations.
Why is the fact that she is unknown disturbing?
lol is this some kind of joke haha.
"according to a person familiar with the matter" is a source.
Altman was the one who stood to benefit financially from OpenAI selling out. The rest of the board do not have equity in the company. If anything we'll see a reversal of the whole "Open"(to paying customers)AI
If you are referring to the knowledge file leak with GPTs, it didn't seem that devastating and wouldn't have warranted such a dramatic exit.
That is true for millionaires and billionaires alike, the best ROI opportunities investments are geographically close to you before they are sniffed out by other people.

Betting on the World Cup Final vs. betting on a local match where you know a team has been clubbing and drinking until late into the night at your bar.

Local advantage.
Kara Swisher: there will be more departures of top folks at OpenAI tonight
The non profit is the majority owner of the for profit, and there is no investor pressure here to make billions.
See also, "John Stewart Questions Defense Deputy Secretary on Budget:" https://youtube.com/watch?v=50MusF365U0
Most things have pain points in some way at some point.

The pursuit of a relatively subjective panacea of programming languages is what keeps software developers ceaselessly borne into the past.

.like code aspiring Gatsbys reinventing the same libraries and frameworks in different programming syntaxes over and over and over.
Germany is also experimenting with electrified highways, where trucks charge their batteries via a pantograph for stretches of the autobahn.

Of course, they're also shuttering nuclear plants and reopening coal plants, so you might call it a step forward and a half-step backward...

https://www.dw.com/en/germany-tests-first-ehighway-autobahn/...
Is it?

Seriously, I’m asking. Like… if you were an engineer that worked on UNIX System V at AT&T/Bell Labs and contributed code to the BSDs from memory alone, would you really be liable?
There's 'set for life' rich and then there's 'able to start a space company with full control' rich.
which makes sense because it'd take 2/3 to implement something if they're unanimous.

just base logic.
Interesting view - I, and many others presumably, would really like more insight into the source and nature of this speculation.

I am not dismissing the possibility, far from it. It sounds very plausible. But are there any credible reports to back it up?
Having been sued for something like that tends to empower lawyers to turn a company into a boyscout.
I thought HN asks for titles to not be sensationalized and published as in the original link, but that's not the case here?
Why when it's such a small part of the market?
Yes this is even more surprising. Why would the board annouche he would continue with the company just to have him resign 1 hour later? Clearly the board would not have written that decision without his consent.
I like to think it would start to gain sentience once someone commented on it, and draw a bunch of people gesticulating at a recursive image of itself
>560.32 MB

lol! After so many 60-110GB games this is so adorable.
Maybe he read a Henry Ford biography recently and is intent on making every one of the same mistakes…
> EnergyWende" is not a German word. While Java is using Camelcase, German is not using Camelcase.

Quick question, outside of the necessity of CamelCase.

Are water dam operating companies insured up to the damages of a damn rupture ? Like in the case of the Vajont damn in Italy ?

Even for your car insurance: Will your insurance pays for the society cost of two disabled persons for life after you hit them when your tire exploded ?

Quick answer: No. In both case, the society will pay. Nuclear is no different.
Quitting like that makes it seem like Greg already knew what was brewing, whatever the conflict was and it came to a head and he made his call. So not a total surprise to him, at least as far as the backstory goes.
> Every semi-open license/core tactic is just a rug-pull waiting to happen.

I believe that's only true with CLA, which is something I have started to check for in any new "Show HN" announcements
I don't like the direction this is heading in at all...
It's a long read (and pretty good at that), and I only just now saw your remark... There is not a single phrase that really sums it up: The report covers a lot of time and many facets, making it hard to pick "that one phrase". Maybe simply pick another part of the title?

The Mirai Confessions: Three Young Hackers [...] Tell Their Story

(yes, not really neutral, but it drops the monster-bait)
> but IMO it's cringe to use it for consequential official statements like this

This is funny to me, as Twitter is the platform for "deliberately low-effort" posts, but you see it as a platform for official statements. How times change...
Thank you! I didn't take the time to google anything this morning.

However, from that article:

>Some people thought that the ’s at the end of a word indicating possession was simply a stand-in for “his,” and so “the king’s book” would be the shortened version of “the king his book.” This theory is no longer popular. Instead, it seems likely that the genitive apostrophe is an illustration of our language’s older, highly inflectional state.

So... Maybe. But I don't think it's "mainly" my professor's!

Which makes me sad, because he was a man of good cheer, and erudition, who so enjoyed having his ideas challenged by interesting new ones. I would have enjoyed going down this particular linguistic / orthographic rabbit hole with him. He passed away last year, and this conversation reminded me how much I miss him.

He had a good innings, though! 1930 - 2022. What a wonderful, interesting life.
No, all native Californians are like this (this just replaces hippie Buddhism with hippie computer worship) and the singularity stuff is the reason OpenAI was founded in the first place. And the reason Elon is mad at them, because they pivoted from it.
> Sorry! Performance improvements are inching closer...

@dang, why have you been saying you're working on performance improvements re: pagination for three years[0]? Are there any prior architectual decisions holding you back? The "Click more" on very popular topics has turned into a bit of a meme.

[0]: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=2&prefix=true&que...
if you wanted to day trade, you'd buy msft because this drop is clearly nominally related but the odds that it has a substantive effect is really unlikely. similar stuff happened during Trump's tenure where they just had bots trading on Trump tweets.
"we don't literally steal your data but we surveil you to harvest data from you like a skinner box."
> Many of us who are following the "AI story" have seen his recent communication / "testimony"[1] with the US Congress.

The discussions here would make you think otherwise. Clearly that is what this is about.
I think the crossover point is pretty much here already, at least for certain models, and if you make price-sensitive decisions.

After I figured in gasoline costs and my commute in California, I worked out that my used luxury EV would save 100% of its purchase price in gasoline (even accounting for electricity costs) in something like 3-5 years.
Is the thing with the pipeline actually confirmed?

Anyway if I was in business of destabilizing governments around the world I would not bother dealing with board meetings. But maybe that's just me.
On the contrary this makes it seem like he was surprised.
Some conflict over using toUpperCase() ?
Worldcoin is scanning people’s irises by having them look into a sphere called a fucking Orb so it can automatically create crypto wallets and distribute global minimum basic incomes after the AI apocalypse.

Altman conceived and raised $115 million for the company.

Agenda cyberpunk is on.
They are in standard libraries already. You have sorts, priority queues, hash maps, tree maps etc. The algorithms that are left are things that are hard to make a good interface for since they depend so much on what shape your data has.
IANA automotive engineer either. I'll quote national bureau of economic research:

> The probability of a fatality, conditional on a collision, is 0.19 percent -- or about one in five hundred. The authors find that being hit by a 1,000-pound heavier vehicle results in a 47 percent increase in the baseline probability of being killed in the accident...

https://www.nber.org/digest/nov11/vehicle-weight-and-automot....
Well, Mexico was a thought experiment. Cuba hosting nukes for USSR happened as retaliation for USA pressing in to USSR via Turkey, and few are taught that history.

It is reasonable for people and countries to want a buffer zone of security. The western neocons have pressed into Russia for three decades, thus creating problems. USA neocons have been making sport of pressing into Taiwan to aggravate China. Taiwan is non-negotiable for China, so the west would be safer by not putting military bases on an enemy's front door.

Ukraine borders Russia, so of course Russia wants a buffer from aggressors. People in Donbas were Russian and speak Russian, and Ukraine should honor the Minsk agreement and let them vote on their future.
Right, so he’s going to flee the US for China?!? Come on.