skysight-inc/HackerNews huggingface dataset:
> you are not deferring to the overwhelming wealth of evidence that can prove rocks are not similar to us

"Similarity to us" is not a comprehensive metric for sentience, that's the point.

> firmly believe that we can extend simple logic to conclude that LLMs are software

Yes, LLMs are software, so what? Whatever sentience is, it's an integral part of our information processing, and software does information processing. There is literally no reason to conclude that software cannot do the type of information processing that our brain does for sentience.

Even if we agree that panpsychism is incorrect, I still do not agree that we know enough about sentience to claim that software cannot be sentient. I do not claim that LLMs are sentient, but they certainly could be, and the fact that they seem very intelligent, more intelligent than most humans in some ways, is a big red flag.
lol. This is like the HN opposite of the infamous dropbox post.
I think the new CEO is mostly irrelevant here, and it feels more like a board coup where one third of the board is ousted.
Within hours now we will reach the drama singularity.
Whether Greg knew of the decision beforehand? I don’t think so. This totally business-as-usual post from Greg Brockman happened 1 hour before the one from OpenAI: https://x.com/gdb/status/1725595967045398920
https://x.com/openai/status/1725611900262588813
How crazy is that?!
A bandpass filter for synthetic biology
> Are there any right now?

Yes, several, e.g., SMUD in Sacramento (PG&E spent a boatload lobbying against SMUD expansion to some of its territories a while back.)
Join them up with Amodei again and.. going wild on speculation and fiction.. they fall back to Elon and Grok and it turns out it was his play all along?
Which privacy center? I only have settings. And in settings there is the sub-category Data controls where I disable "Chat history & training".
Could have been only Sam that was under Vote and Greg being forced to step down after he voted in his favour maybe in a second vote later.
For the tablets I was picturing things that were pretty clearly labeled - you'd know what you're getting into. Like an exhibit or an installation (but in many places, not one). I don't think I'd want people to be surprised - I'd want them to get onto the call knowing that was the only time they'd see that person.

I love that installation! My old office had a (much less elegant) setup like this that linked some of the social / kitcheny spaces across our offices and I liked it a lot.
It is not a copyright issue unless you typed out the exact code from memory. It could be a patent issue if it behaves the same way.
I think it is a little more insane that there is even a "for-profit" bit here. The whole thing has a fugazi smell to it TBH.
Anthropic is about to pick up a bunch of top talent.
> not even waiting for markets to close to announce it

They are not a public company.
> In journalist speak, that means "credible person I know who would get fired if I said their name."

those are some bold beliefs given the overall honesty in journalism and benefits to being first to publish.
Random aside, but I like Axios.

The site is mercifully clean (just turn off your adblocker and see what I mean).

Their scoops are good.

The format is succinct and efficient but not "dumb" like a short twitter thread.

What's more, none of this has changed over the years, somehow avoiding enshittification.
He might feel more money is necessary to create GPT5, money that can't be obtained otherwise for a nonprofit.
How does firing the CEO help in your scenario? Now they just burnt a tonne of trust.
Half Life was one of the games that has native ports an run fine on OSX before Catalina.
I got one, am here for the popcorn!

What did Sam lie to the board about that caused them to basically eject him like he’s radioactive? Why did Greg take his toys away and quit on the spot? Are the other departures “solidarity exits”, or because they’re possibly involved in whatever got Sam ejected??

Tune in at 11 to find out more!
> Sometimes the contracts can include a cool-down period before a person can seek employment in the same industry/niche, I don’t think that will apply in Sam’s case - as he was a founder.

It's very difficult to enforce anything like this in California. They can pay him to not work, but can't just require it.
I think it seems possible there was some incompetence here
No it isn't. It's a plea from a journalist to trust that they actually have one and have the judgement to vet if the source is any good.

It's no more credible than the reporter, and I've never heard of this one.
It's exactly this imagined/forced intentionality that is the problem.

One can make a thoughtful point of how some Jews support causes that end up being anti-Semitic. It's probably best to focus on the actual causes and the actual people in question so the nuance doesn't get lost (and also so we can avoid things like support for Palestinian civilians being painted with the "anti-Semitic" brush). In fact, your restatement of how you interpreted the comment Musk responded to got most of the way there.

But the actual quote Musk expressed agreement with was quite far from any such thing: "Jewish communties have been pushing the exact kind of dialectical hatred against whites that they claim to want people to stop using against them. I'm deeply disinterested in giving the tiniest shit now about western Jewish populations coming to the disturbing realization that those hordes of minorities that support flooding their country don't exactly like them too much." (https://nitter.net/elonmusk/status/1724908287471272299)

Driving attention towards focusing on racial groups as if they have overarching explanatory power is exactly what makes this racist conspiracy tripe.
Well, there has to be some sort of framework in which they operate, no?

OpenAI isn't a single person, so decisions like firing the CEO have to be made somehow. I'm wondering about how that framework actually works.
I think they all might follow current leadership.
Quake 2 just had a remaster released a few months ago, and Quake 1 had one too a few years ago by the same team. The remasters were put into the existing Steam releases, work great on the Deck too, and were also released on consoles. It's really cool to see all these classic shooters get updated to work well on modern systems.
Thank you. I think most things we store in the config are non-business logic. Like the connection string of database or some feature flags.

However, the prompt is your business logic in most cases and put your business logic into a separate file make it harder to read and harder to maintain.
I'd say it is. Not because the machine is so great but because most people suck.

It was described as a "bullshit generator" in a post earlier today. I think that's accurate. I just also think it's an apt description of most people as well.

It can replace a lot of jobs... and then we can turn it off, for a net benefit.
> Alternative is to ask money for registration.

I'm 100% ok with this. I have the choice of using a Visa/MC gift card I bought with cash. Same as I can do with Netflix. Better than linking a unique ID I use everywhere else.

I think what bugs me the most is that there's no direct need for the phone. It's reasonable to give my phone number to a doctor's office because I need to hear from them over the phone.
No way, no Sam - crypto scandal again.
I imagine you’d have to either pay back all of the people who donated to the non-profit first, or negotiate a deal with for a stake in the company before you can transform it into a for profit.
If this is the actual reason, this is going to be the most spectacular implosion of a company ever. Microsoft will end up owning this entire thing.
It's all very ambiguous, but if he had been there for the board meeting where he was removed, I imagine he would have quit then and it would have been in the official announcement. It comes across like he didn't quit until after the announcement had already been made.
I’m told that Sweden charges 25% VAT on not only the total price, but also on the total of freight charges, insurance, handling costs, and the 10% customs duty. That’s bonkers. So maybe not more than other imported cars but still crazy high. And also I could have outdated info but I understand they took away EV tax incentives in 2022.

If you’re seeing a lot of them it’s probably people who got a chance to try driving one. And who also realize the TCO over time makes up for the initial price.
Yes, this is something I have observed, for whatever reason sf-techies don't like capital letters or sentence case.
It might also be the case that the board is not used to things like this, as the board doesn't contain any seasoned board members/executives apart from Adam. Ideally board would be advised by lawyers but who knows.
Unlikely. They are separate settings both on iOS and Android.
Just remove it every time it unremoves itself too, whats the big deal!? /eyeroll
how dare you, sir
Yes I know. The satire is still whataboutism. The "just joking, bro" response doesn't excuse it.
It's a comedy but I feel like I learned a lot about SV and VC/board culture from watching HBO's Silicon Valley.
You can finally uninstall Microsoft Edge from Windows
FRAI, Famous Ray's Artificial Intelligence
The most likely explanation for accusing Altman of lying is that, whether or not other political issues were involved in the response, Altman actually was lying.

If there was a real running ideological factional conflict inside OpenAI, that's not at all implausible to have occurred as part of the maneuvering.
Negative stories about Twitter and Elon don't seem to stay on the front page of HN long these days. I wonder if this one will be different
Ha Most people don’t know how slipshod these things go. Succession had it right when people were always fighting over the PR release trying to change each others statements.
Mainframes are expensive because they're niche and basically a duopoly. The companies supplying them know their days are numbered and charge high prices before the market goes dry.

In my experience, the quick teams only learn the surface content. A lack of depth tends to result in more errors down the road and poor architecture. But I guess it doesn't matter since half your team will jump to the next project company in 2-3 years anyways and take that knowledge with them.
Microsoft can not own the entire thing, it is owned by the non profit, which is governed by it's board. There must be a storm at MSFT going on about due diligence on the OpenAI board and this kind of possibility before spending billions of dollars.
I said Elizabethan English, not English. As in Shakespeare. The point is that there are probably at most a few thousand people in the world who could display that level of competence at making Shakespearean rhymes. And I doubt enough of them work in call centers in India to service the entire user base of ChatGPT. Nothing about my comment implies that there are not millions of competent English speakers in India.
The board of OpenAI has their hands on the ultimate self-destruct button, though. If M$ made a power play, worse case scenario they end up with ownership of the for-profit OpenAI, but they'd still have no control of the non-profit, which owns the intellectual property.

If the deal goes sideways, the board of OpenAI (the nonprofit) could just dump everything onto the open internet. All M$ has is a substantial but minority stake in a company that the non-profit OpenAI owns all the beef of.
What are ladies clubs and rotary groups?
Clearly many people have a problem with it, and perhaps you aren’t understanding their reasoning
I know this is dumb of me but man is this enthralling to follow
Running wires here, on a train network carrying a billion tonnes per annum, is a bit silly for various valid engineering reasons.

Battery trains make sense, they're on order ATM:

https://www.riotinto.com/news/releases/2022/Rio-Tinto-purcha...

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-10-20/challenge...

Rio Tinto purchased the four 7MWh FLXdrive battery-electric locomotives from Wabtec Corporation with production due to commence in the United States in 2023 ahead of initial trials in the Pilbara in early 2024.

The locomotives, used to carry ore from the company’s mines to its ports, will be recharged at purpose-built charging stations at the port or mine. They will also be capable of generating additional energy while in transit through a regenerative braking system which takes energy from the train and uses it to recharge the onboard batteries.
I agree with this assessment. I would speculate he did something in the early days to gain access to a bunch of training data under the guise of research ("...after all, we're OPENai") and used that data to fine-tune GPT-3 into chatGPT. Then once the weights were sufficiently good enough, deleted all the data and planned on using the chat interactions w/ the model itself for further refinement. Obviously, just total speculation, but the Cover Your Ass verbage of the board makes me think he did something to put the org in deep shit, legally. OpenAI suspended subscriptions last week and that's usually not something a company does, even if the service is degraded. Warn users, yes, but don't take any more money when you're hemorrhaging cash is off. I won't be surprised if it's a flagrant GDPR violation that carries very heavy fines.
Haha TIL that Twitter has replaced the blue check mark with a yellow one.

What a scam.
Why is it transphobic? Is it not possible for an organization to do something for money? I am not accusing any particular organization of doing so, but it absolutely should be a legitimate concern/question.

In fact, I would consider it transphobic to not call out organizations with ulterior motives.
We've diluted the term AI before. Eventually the hype will wear off and we'll call them LLMs, just like what happened to all the previous versions of machine learning or various expert systems.

Vending Machines used to be called robots. Then they stopped seeming magic.
It is unlikely that this would be the case here, but there is analogy in world of politics: law-maker does not need to own the company to profit from the law.
I blame them every time someone calls me Lain.
- The reason for the firing was the “misalignment” of the profit versus nonprofit adherents at the company

for those who never read the actual content.
I wonder how many people want to really leave right now after this drama, but will stay due to their golden handcuffs and competitive packages. That number, unfortunately, I guess we will never know (probably slow attrition once their vests complete and they can sell their stock somewhere if possible.)
That's Fair. I've included it now.
Being riddled with ads also doesn't increase my trust level. This really seems like their attempt to capitalize on the crazy level of interest right now.
Ah, I really like that theory!

I mean, I still wonder though if they really only need 3 ppl fully on board to effectively take the entire company. Vote #1, oust Sam, 3/5 vote YES. Sam is out, now the vote is "Demote Greg", 3/4 vote YES, Greg is demoted and quits. Now, there could be one "dissenter" and it would be easy to vote them out too. Surely there's some protection against that?
https://writing.kemitchell.com/2023/09/23/Two-Kinds-Relicens...

Makes it seem like it would be a legal grey zone in the US. And a reminder, not all of us are American and the ambiguity might be even less favourable in other jurisdictions.
I would say we're likely to see some governance and board composition changes made soon.

Honestly, I would expect more from Microsoft's attorneys, whether this was overlooked or allowed. Maybe OAI had superior leverage and MS was desperate to get in to AI.
[dupe]

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38309611
That seemed to be the gist given the way the board announcement ended by reiterating their original core mission and how their main responsibility was to that mission right after saying that their issue with Altman was interference with their mission.
How is sort of blantant false conclusion drawing still tolerated when the audience is supposed to be educated? There are a myriad of reasons why people who have trouble making rent also live in environments and make decisions that shorten their lifespan. It's like saying "being poor means you die sooner", yeah, no kidding.

What's next? People who buy new cars in cash live longer? People who have good retirement savings live longer? What am I missing here, is this just a research someone is doing for science reasons and pop-sci site is drawing false click-bait conclusions? But they are speaking in the first person, and making claims that the rental situation directly affects age and health when they also state that it is purely a correlation.
I'd take mine in tokens...
Something like $10 billion.
Any reason why we don’t put as many tires on (existing) trucks as possible? Seem like a good deal reducing tire wear.
From email address to phone number (2019) [video]
NFL was a non profit up until 2015ish
Researchers/scientists vs VCs seems to be the theme of what was going on behind the scenes, so that makes sense.
I’m sure everyone here is aware of the colloquial hate that certs get outside of IT (“A+”, etc.) , even I.

What I don’t know is why AWS would rather pay a salesman $150k (or more… I looked up salaries a few months ago, but either way…) to sell the wrong things to customers, rather than have a software engineer who has actually used these products, sell the right thing to customers. I should hope that all AWS Solutions Architects need to pass the cloud fundamentals exam before interacting with customers, but maybe not?

Deming is rolling in his grave.
Are you willing to be more specific, or link to such a discussion?
Let me get this straight, OpenAI can't even align their own organization's values, and anyone expects them or other companies to align their AI's values with humanity?
In terms of impact, LLMs might be the biggest leap forward in computing history, surpassing the internet and mobile computing. And we are just at the dawn of it. Even if not full AGI, computers can now understand humans and reason. The excitement is justified.
You’re missing the point. Raising awareness of the scale of this theft is aimed at swaying public opinion.

That way, legitimate machine learning companies can thrive and research for ai can continue without the nuisance.

Incidentally forums are filling up with horror stories from people working at or interviewing with openai, in spite of their paid trolls spamming forums left and right and reporting reddit posts to suppress people. Perhaps the bubble has burst.

Openai has done more harm to ai than any other company.

The cat’s out of the bag.
80-clicks captchas is not enough enshittification for you?
I got this email 2 hours ago:

> Hi there,

> We've updated the billing system for your OpenAI API account. Instead of receiving a bill at the end of the month, you'll now need to pre-purchase credits to use the API. You can add credits to your account by visiting the billing page. To learn more about prepaid billing, please see this help center article prepaid billing.

> No action is required from you at this time.

> Please note that this change only applies to your OpenAI API account and Playground. It does not affect ChatGPT Plus subscriptions.

> Best,

> The OpenAI team

"help center article prepaid billing" links to the URL that nonoesp submitted. I haven't been using the API lately, and my bill has been $0 for quite a few billing cycles. Maybe they're only doing this to light users.
If this is the actual reason and a bunch of top talent walks away then this might honestly topple Satya. The deal with OpenAI looked like a slam dunk, but may now turn out to be mostly worthless if R&D stalls out.
There goes their almost $13B investment down the drain.

Both masterminds of ChatGPT have left the company.

Feels like Nokia 2.0
On the 'why is it being removed from HN' point, because incredible as dang is.. a lot is 'the algorithm' (christ) - if a few people flag it, I don't know how many, maybe it depends on other variables, then it's going to disappear.

This thread (that SA fired) wasn't visible an hour or two ago, on pages 1, 2, or 3, when I looked confused that it wasn't here. (Only related topic was his tweet in response at the bottom of page 1 with <100 points.) And now here it is in pole position with almost 3500 points - the automated flagging and vouching and necessary moderator intervention must go crazy on posts like this.

Can't jump to conspiracy cover-up on the basis of content that's not only user-generated but also user 'visibility-controlled' in terms of voting, flagging, vouching...
Yeah, looking at the self-dealing going on with WeWork and Adam Neumann, it's not that.
I wonder if openai will publish more models again now?
lol, if you were using brave browser you will see no ads
The CEO and board aren't the people who create the actual products or do the research.
I hope they found a new company, raise 1 billion and march towards AGI. That’s what’s gonna happen
OpenAI firing Sam Altman.

The announcement: https://openai.com/blog/openai-announces-leadership-transiti...

The discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38309611
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Satya has so many hits under his belt that this can't topple him. He was already considered a huge success before ChatGPT was released.
This says the mission is creating AGI, i.e. that's the primary goal/purpose. It doesn't mean it's something they think they've been doing already, just what they've been trying to work towards. There are actually some really good blog posts by Altman diving into this much deeper.
There are lower, but I think Counter-Strike is lowest commercial product

https://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/Steam_Application_I...
Live A Live, Super Mario RPG and Seiken Densetsu are also solid contenders. It really depends on what you wanted out of an RPG at the time - pretty much all of SquareSoft's output on SNES was magnificent.

For my money, FFVI is the best game of the lot. It's a very close call but I just prefer the story it tells and the way it does it. You'll certainly find people out there who disagree, though!
One of the worst things that happen to MacOS is cutting support. Apple really is careless about gaming :(
No insider info again but, IMHO, Half Life: Alyx was a genre-defining success that has not yet been matched but even that did not hit the bar expected of a Half Life 3. It’s an impossible expectation and they don’t have a financial need to try.
The same way that Rolex is technically a non-profit. Complete bullshit legal wrangling.
Who cares where she came from? Do you think that a poor country cannot produce really smart people? Making assumptions that her family has some connections and that's why she is successful is pretty stupid.
Seems the most plausible and frankly ideal
Corporate advertisement disguised as a response.
Core 2 was v1.

It looks like the first i3/i5/i7 generation (Clarkdale or Arrandale) was v2.

And replacing the CPU with the very best that the motherboard can handle is probably less than $10 on eBay.
I’m disappointed they weren’t talking about electric unicycles…I have one of those, and it just feels like skiing. No real effort required.
Read the rest of the line you cut out:

"he was not consistently candid in his communications with the board, hindering its ability to exercise its responsibilities."

Given the comment above correctly noted that they explicitly ended on a whole thing about how the board's key responsibility was their commitment to the original core mission, and their issue with his lying was interference with their responsibilities, this does seem to be connected to that.