skysight-inc/HackerNews huggingface dataset:
I'm not sure the cat was ever in the bag for LLMs. Every big player has their own flavor now, and it seems the reason why I don't have one myself is an issue of finances rather than secret knowledge. OpenAI's possible advantages seem to be more about scale and optimization rather than doing anything really different.

And I'm not sure this allegedly-bagged cat has claws either - the current crop of LLMs are still clearly in a different category to "intelligence". It's pretty easy to see their limitations, and behave more like the fancy text predictors they are rather than something that can truly extrapolate, which is required for even the start of some AI sci-fi movie plot. Maybe continued development and research along that path will lead to more capabilities, but we're certainly not there yet, and I'd suspect not particularly close.

Maybe they actually have some super secret internal stuff that fixes those flaws, and are working on making sure it's safe before releasing it. And maybe I have a dragon in my garage.

I generally feel hyperbolic language about such things to be damaging, as it makes it so easy to roll your eyes about something that's clearly false, and that can get inertia to when things develop to where things may actually need to be considered. LLMs are clearly not currently an "existential threat", and the biggest advantage to keeping it closed appears to be financial benefits in a competitive market. So it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, but don't you understand I'm protecting you from this evil fire breathing dragon for your own good!

It smells of some fantasy gnostic tech wizard, where only those who are smart enough to figure out the spell themselves are truly smart enough to know how to use it responsibly. And who doesn't want to think of themselves as smart? But that doesn't seem to match similar things in the real world - like the Manhattan project - many of the people developing it were rather gung-ho with proposals for various uses, and even if some publicly said it was possibly a mistake post-fact, they still did it. Meaning their "smarts" on how to use it came too late.

And as you pointed out, nuclear weapon control by limiting information has already failed. If north Korea can develop them, one of the least connected nations in the world, surely anyone with the required resources can. The only limit today seems the cost to nations, and how relatively obvious the large infrastructure around it seems to be, allowing international pressure before things get into to the "stockpiling usable weapons" stage.
I think you're confused. If Altman was allowed to continue you'd end up in a vendor lock-in situation with that guy endlessly bumping the fees.
what is this 50/month limit you keep talking about? you need to get your facts right. That's quite the weird behavior to come to a technical forum and ask to be convinced to use the most groundbreaking tech of at least 10 years based on wrong assumptions
Look how far we have come...we use a encrypted container to protect a text-file, let's talk about software bloat. What about "gpg --encrypt"?
The problem with the example is: Some has used less where you would have preferred fewer. You answer with an example, where fewer is used but only less is generally considered grammatical. (In other words, the replacement goes in the opposite direction.) But it is perfectly consistent to say that fewer is restricted to countable nouns while less can be used universally.
This isn't the same thing. This is a commanded recital of a lack of capability, not that its confidence in it's answer is low. For a type of question the GPT _could_ answer, most of the time it _will_ answer, regardless of accuracy
Since the beginning of OpenAI, haven't we been slowly surprised by the progressive closedness what it was becoming. I think there were multiple threads on HN about this, and the irony in the name. Maybe this has been going on for much longer and reached a tipping point.
This is escalating rather quickly. It is an incredibly irresponsible move by the OpenAI board. Hypergrowing company, and now they managed to shake up their user's trust in leadership stability. This has Adam's (D'Angelo) fingerprints all over it (for context, he did overthrow his co-founder, and Quora has been struggling ever since). This guy shouldn't sit on any board ever again.

I predict the board will be fired, and Sam and the team will return and try to contain the situation.
Here's an example from a children's book:

https://x.com/ada_akpala/status/1680152633737093120?s=20
It is a very big difference to publicly blame your now ex-CEO for basically lying ("not consistently candid") versus just a polite parting message based on personal differences or whatever. To attribute direct blame to Sam like this, something severe must have happened. You only do it like this to your ex-CEO when you are very pissed.
Try blocking all bluechecks. After doing so is the first time in like a decade that Twitter has had good content for me.

Before, braindead or cloutchasing bluechecks were mixed in with the rest of us rabble. Hard to pick them out of the pack, you had to read their detritus with the rest of the comments.

Now they voluntarily self identify, and even better, their comments are lumped at the top. So block them all with a bot or just scroll down until there's no more blue checks and the comment quality jumps exponentially.
how is the 2nd/3rd hand market of e-bikes?

with cars, you expect that you would be able to buy today's new and shiny in a few years time, a bit used and scuffed but still useable, for cheaper.

With EVs, that's just started to happen, and even then with inflation the price point is just barely in range, plus with battery degradation fears and lack of easy access to parts etc...it's difficult to manage to get an EV in the lower ranges that most people who depend on the 3rd/4th hand cars for their travel needs.

Ebikes are just too expensive now, and I don't see how they will reach the price point to reach the used-vehicle-buying masses...

especially since bikes are not "registered" and thus easily stolen (and police doesn't care), and with most company bikes having proprietary stuff that makes it unlikely to make certain you will get parts 10 year down the line.
I’m struggling to figure out why anyone cares.
> Van Allen had budgeted £100 for the job, and come in under.

I have a question to people in charge of politics everywhere:

Given how much money governments spend on nonsense, why can't we take some money, and build simple, but quality and stable shelter for people?

If there are 100.000 homeless in a community, and 2 people manage to build that sort of shelter, with what they could get in tools and materials for <100 Pounds, why can't we say "Okay, let's budget 200 per shelter, but do it with professional builders, better tools and materials, and no requirement to hide it."?

1,000,000 // 200 = 5000 Shelters. Oh, and that shelter served 2 people. So to house 100,000 people, this would need 10 Million pounds. And that's before we factor in economics of scale.

Let's acknowledge what a difference the existence of even a simple shelter makes in the life of a person: They have a stable base of operations to sleep, keep their posessions, a postal address, a place to wash up and prepare food. They know that place is there at the end of a day, eliminating some anxiety. They have a place they can heal when they get mildly sick. They won't be sick as often, be in better physical and mental shape. As a result they have an easier time finding jobs. So building these shelters doesn't even have to be a charity...it's literally an investment into a societies economic power that pays dividend over dividend.

So WHY AREN'T WE DOING THAT ALL THE TIME, EVERYWHERE?!?
Software this complex needs regular reboots to clear caches and resource leaks.

Also many venues like cinemas, theaters or planetariums require you to turn the phone off for the duration of the performance.

Also you may need to save battery, e.g. on a long trip with no way to charge the phone.
In most cases Im not a fan of heavy handed IT security but in this case I'm not sure there is anything they can do to add address security concerns in a sustainable way. Eventually somebody will jailbreak one of these and dump ALL the chats or something catastrophic like that .
On Wall Street it is typical to get full salary for the non-compete period, but in some cases that may be a modest fraction of total compensation including bonus/other incentives.
For lots of beauty/care products, Yuka does a great job of letting you check if a product has PFAS in it while in store. It supports some food too, iirc. But I’m not sure if there’s a better app overall
I'd say the biggest change is the quantity of available CATEGORIZED data. Tagged images and what not has done a ton to help the field.

Further there are some hybrid chips which might help increase computing power specifically for the matrix math that all these systems work on.

But yeah, none of this is making what people talk about when they say AGI. Just like how some tech cult people felt that Level 5 self driving was around the corner, even with all the evidence to the contrary.

The self driving we have (or really, assisted cruise control) IS impressive, and leagues ahead of what we could do even a decade or two ago, but the gulf between that, and the goal, is similar to GPT and AGI in my eyes.

There are a lot of fundamental problems we still don't have answers to. We've just gotten a lot better at doing what we already did, and getting more conformity on how.
I don't think its possible, at least for the foreseable future, they were heavily over indexed on Azure offering them discounted compute, not like they're gonna buy that amount of GPU elsewhere
We have wars overseas to fund!
Given the GP's username, maybe some Wakandan tech?
Microsoft already signed that deal with OpenAI, they can't break contract even if they did want to take an absolutely massive bet that the venture capital CEO and President can rebuild the technical infrastructure and acumen housed at OpenAI. OpenAI can replace Sam Altman and some of his newer hires, they probably can't replace Ilya Sutskever.
current popular theory is that those fired/left were taking OpenAI for profit, and the board stuck with their original goal of non profit.
ChatGPT now has the ability to do web browsing to search for recent events!

https://chat.openai.com/share/c35e3fd1-d94e-477b-a331-b14384...
Right, but adolescents in the study are in the age range 12 to 18, and the study specifically concerns cyberhate victimization, while the issues raised mostly concern younger kids, and include things like blocking access to online stores. (The "Kids Online Safety Act" is nominally about "kids", defined as "under the age of 13", but the bill's text mostly concerns minors, defined as "under the age of 17".)

We just installed MS Windows 11 and it's clearly trying to get your attention with its tabloid-like feed meant to draw you to their web site.

It takes time to learn media literacy, and companies should not be allowed to use the excuse that parents simply need to monitor more, while they do everything they can to get people to use their services and to buy from them, without distinguishing between 6 year olds and 60 year olds.

What is a single parent to do to provide adult monitoring for their 8 year old latchkey kid?
If you are building something that is end-user facing that relies on ChatGPT then that was always a huge and risky bet on the future of OpenAI.

In addition, it would likely be some time, possibly years, before it would be ready for production.

Perhaps recent events have just brought that more clearly into focus for you.
I don't know Elixir and so the hypothetical contribution barrier for nontrivial commits includes learning Erlang / Elixir.

The LearnXinYminutes tuts are succinct and on github for PRs to fix typos, language learning sequence reorderings, and or additions with comments

LearnXinYMinutes > Elixir:
https://learnxinyminutes.com/docs/elixir/
> They are very convincing, and show that the Turing test may be flawed

The only think flawed here is this statement. Are you even familiar with the premise of Turing test?
Even more, if the model was open-sourced, weights and everything.
Oh so local governments arent full of waste and corruption also.

Good to know.
Yea. No.

People stopping to use google for the small stuff will be the beginning of the end of google being the mental default for searches.
Did he say GPT-4 API costs OpenAI $3/token?
If you are at OpenAI right now you are already at the top, it is not the stepping stone to Google or Facebook. They literally don’t care about that.
Some studies say this behavior is ingrained into men's DNA. Being true, what gives me the ick is people denying the humans' behavior. We literally spent millions of evolution-years going around conquering and spreading.
Love that story! Parental controls: for controlling your parent. I guess in that mode, it would additionally have to disguise itself or just pretend network errors, so the child does not get a beating.
Push your representatives to pass regulations, for once. And don’t buy things with these compounds, and apply pressure on companies that use them.

But mostly despair, considering the current state of affairs.
I just noticed that when I ask really difficult technical questions, but for which there is an exact answer, It often tries to answer plausibly, but incorrectly instead of answering "I don't know". But over time, It becomes smarter and there are fewer and fewer such questions...
I have to admit that this was a strong shock to me, not because I admire Sam but because it was extremely unexpected.

The first thing I saw this morning was this video [1] shared on Reddit, and then I said, "Wow! This is really scary to just think about. Nice try anyway."Then I started my computer and, of course, checked HN and was blown by this +4k thread, and it turned out the video I watched was not made for fun but was a real scenario!

I know this feels hard. After spending years building such a successful company with an extremely exceptional product and, without a hint or warning, you find yourself fired!

This tragedy reminds me of Steve Jobs and Jack Dorsey, where they were kicked out of the companies they found, but they both were able to found another company and were extremely successful. Will Sam be able to do it? I don't know, but the future will reply with a detailed answer for sure.

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1. https://twitter.com/edmondyang/status/1725645504527163836
Power play.
> and it's clear you're single-handedly enabling delivery of major projects earlier than anyone else could.

You have to watch out with that.. I've seen whole projects pushed through by management where no one else was involved enough to review normally, but everyone had an interaction that implied they had only seen the top of the iceberg of problems with it.
or rely on HN's own algorithm, duration in which it stayed at the top of the chart?
Maybe Google and Meta are different than my company, or maybe I am not in the league of such star coder, but in my experience as soon as a demo of my code is delivered I am immediately launched into managerial mode coordinating other devs working on my code. I came to just accept it.
(1) is even more annoying in German where we use single quotes ‚like this‘ (i.e. a comma-looking opening quote and the English opening quote as the closing quote). Apostrophes are the same as in English, though.

Unfortunately, (almost?) all smart quote implementations default to replacing ' at the end of a word by a closing quote (even if no opening quote precedes it), so you get tons of apostrophes pointing in the wrong direction (looking like 6 instead of 9).
Calibre is outstanding - really one of my most important research tools. Fulltext search over the content of an entire library is a killer feature. I maintain a couple of hundreds books in PDF format and sync them automatically with a Samsung tablet.

Version 7.0 crashes on my Ubuntu 23.10, unfortunately. Had to return to 6.29.0.
I started to write my comment in all lower case letters as a joke, but it was taking too long to cancel each autocorrect suggestion. So I definitely don’t buy the “I’m too busy” reason.

I think the main reason I find it unprofessional is that it is such a distraction. Professional communication should be clear and “get out of the way” so that the focus can be on the ideas being discussed.
And their old CEO even runs a cryptocurrency scam. Truly an interesting bunch of people.
If someone asked a few days ago what would be the next CEO of a major company to be fired, I would exhaust the list before even thinking of Sam.
I share your opinion on the likely veracity of the allegations and would also like an explanation for the flagging of this post and the repeated deletions of similar posts.

Why is HN taking a side here?

https://twitter.com/JOSourcing/status/1710390512455401888
Delusions of grandeur and God complex, weird cult-y associations, sketchy past and a lot of things that don't fully add up, and the general feeling that this is a person that is in way over his head and that he is an enormous danger to both himself and others so long as he is allowed to behave as he has been behaving. I should see the timing of all of this and the surrounding inflation has already severely damaged the public perception of the tech industry to such an extent that I do not think there is any hope any more of not being completely and totally destroyed and neutered by the government. The HackerNews demographic is so fundamentally out of touch with the actual political winds in the world, and these stunts Altman is doing by going around to Congress and saying provocative things needs to stop immediately.
Might as well add LOC as a metric. Both can mean the person is extremely inefficient, over-engineering everything, and their eyes are begging for a break.

However! The best engineers I've been around do work a lot and they like it.
Well with the info currently available, that’s just like, the board’s opinion, man.
If MS gets their hands on an AGI help us god, but no "organizational safeguards" will matter.

Not that I think AGI is possible or desirable in the first place, but that's a different discussion.
That has got to be some sort of code
I don't think microsoft has the culture to be competitive on the cutting edge of AI.

If they try to integrate OpenAI, they will suffocate it.
If you are a bright mid-career FAANG engineer, you probably don’t have to work. You can just move to Vietnam and live comfortably on your savings.

And people who are invested into “social impact” still care about their wealth and well-being despite living luxurious lives by the standards even of the developed world, let alone all other countries.
Have you tried setting a custom instruction in settings? I find that setting helps, albeit with weaker impact than the prompt itself.
Well, I have signed up for copilot initially but I held out with gpt plus. I cancelled copilot pretty quickly as I wasn't really using it much, but then I signed up to chatgpt plus.

It is worth it because of better access (no more "were busy now") and Gpt4.

Also in my take, yes chatgpt is worth it if you're working as a full tech stack person and you're often asked to accomplish tasks with unknown to you, but popular software. Then instead of searching through pages and pages of crappy docs (or when such docs do not exist) you can just ask chatgpt and then just verify(because it will be wrong a lot, but you can often get it to verify it's own answers).

For example, let's say you're very familiar with Jenkins and github, but your client asks you to port their cicd pipelines to on site gitlab. Then, considering a lot of stuff for gitlab enterprise are barely documented you'll spend lots of time experimenting. Having chatgpt at hand to speed this up is very beneficial.
> To suggest that the return of those coal power plants was due to renewables underdelivering, seems to be misleading at best

If that money was invested into nuclear power plants and not into failed Energirwende then there would be no need for that and no fear of Russian cut offs
OpenAI Dev Day was an absolute embarrassment
Very similar to “I don’t care about fashion, that’s an outdated social conformity thing” while wearing the same hoodie and jeans uniform as everyone else.
Honestly, I'm pretty picky about the food at buy at the store, and even I can't tell anymore if something is safe appart from raw fruits and vegetables I buy from a local old man I've known for years. And I live in France, with very protective laws, and parents that educated me to choose wisely.

How the average American, with the worst consumer protection laws and a terrible food culture, is supposed to find a way?
you're right. agi has been here since GPT-3 at the least.

it's honestly sad when people who have clearly not use gpt4 would call it a parroting machine. that is incredibly ignorant.
Very good points, thank you! Yeah, I played a little bit with animations but I didn't manage to make them right. I think I kept one when the lesson is completed but I recognize it's really bad. I think I'm going to remove it.

Totally agree I need to focus more on the course output and overall learner experience.
Ah yes, because all those normal people will be able to run these powerful models on the devices that they currently own. Such a naive take.

The rich will ALWAYS get their piece of the pie, and once they've had their fill, we'll be left fighting for the crumbs and thanking them for their generosity.

AI won't solve world hunger, it will make millions of people jobless. It won't stop wars, it will be used as a tool for the elite to spread propaganda. The problems that plague society today are ones that technology (that has existed for decades) can fix but greed prevents it.
Yes I think it will be obvious to people in hindsight that Sam is a deeply disturbed and dangerous individual, and so are many of his associates. You can tell just by listening to his public statements that the guy is off his rocker.
> GPT 4 can reason through any mental exercise as well as a human.

So can I.

And yet, people don't consider me an existential threat.

Mostly because I do not have nukes.
Why not blame Altman for that?

If he didn't manage to keep OpenAI consistent with it's founding principles and all interests aligned then wouldn't booting him be right? The name OpenAI had become a source of mockery. If Altman/Brockman take employees for a commercial venture, it just seems to prove their insincerity about the OpenAI mission.
you mean current completely made up speculation by anon online?
On the other hand, Anthropic exists, so I am not sure.
Then why can't the the grounded truth of ChatGPT be born of a body of silicon and emotional experience of zillions of lines of linguistic corpus?
It's not about being rockstar or 10x. He was the chairman of the board (and President of the LLC). Practically speaking, he can work however he wishes within the company. Seeing that he went from CTO role to President role, it's fairly obvious that he got the opportunity to structure the role and the work to best fit him (and probably the company, too).
> but the reason it's still here is not ideological but because our economy can't survive without growth

Isn't this ideological though? The economy can definitely survive without growth, if we change from the idea that a human's existence needs to be justified by labor and move away from a capitalist mode of organization.

If your first thought is "gross, commies!" doesn't that just demonstrate that the issue is indeed ideological?
That's one source. There are others about, but as I wrote it's a "theory".

edits: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38314420

I imagine when the full story comes out all these theories and speculations will be ignored and we will literally forget ever being interested in them!