skysight-inc/HackerNews huggingface dataset:
People aren't going to stop eating snacks and munchies just because they get an electric car. And I don't know if you've ever been to a Wawa or not but a lot of convenience stores are starting to serve decent quality food as well.
This is actually a semi-plausible angle. Given Sam's personality, I could see a scenario where there was disagreement about whether something in particular would be announced at demo day. He may have told some people he would keep in under wraps, but ended up going forward with it anyway.

I don't understand how that escalates to the point that he gets fired over it, though, unless there was something deeper implied by what was announced at demo day.

Edit: Theres a rumor floating around that "it" was the GPT store and revenue sharing. If that's the case, that's not even remotely a safety issue. It's just a disagreement about monetization, like how Larry and Sergey didn't want to put ads on Google.
I read their comment a few times — I don't see where they said being "non-profit" makes you "wacky".
Fascinating. What do you make of the fact GPT 4 says you have no clue what you are talking about?
It amazes me there are people who don't remap their capslock to something useful.
Destined to repeat the failures of PARC.
The photos show why every magic mouse I've had always wore funny with the 'right button' getting mushy. There's only one microswitch and the right one is just a leaf spring.
Non-profit doesn't automatically mean virtuous.

For-profit doesn't automatically mean non-virtuous.

There are non-wacky non-profits.
If LLMs can copy the symbolic behaviors that let humans generate new knowledge, it'll be there.
That must be it because obviously no knowledgeable person could honestly come to believe that the technology is dangerous.
One thing that isn't going strong is the initially standardized framing for Ethernet, ie most traffic uses Ethernet II and not 802.2 LLC/SNAP.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethernet_frame#Types
Aitekx RoboTruck Is a $45K Cybertruck Clone That Makes Tesla Look Like a Rolls
So ML/LLM or more likely people using ML and LLM do something that kills a bunch of people... Let's face facts this is most likely going to be bad software.

Suddenly we go from being called engineers to being actual engineers, software gets treated like bridges or sky scrapers. I can buy into that threat, but it's a human one not an AGI one.
Sure, I get that, but to handle a disagreement over money in such a consequential fashion just doesn't make sense to me. They must have understood that to arrive in a position where they have to fire the CEO with little warning is going to have profound consequences, perhaps even existential ones.
> That was Corning, not Meta.

I don't know who manufactures them, but Meta has had a team of optics engineers working on new lenses for years.

> That was Carmack, so technically Meta, but it was also 6+ years ago.

Timewarp was one of many improvements, done by many different people over the years.

> That was Valve, not Meta.

Are you referring to the classic Valve room demo which used fiducials plastered on the wall for tracking, or the Valve lighthouse which projects lasers on the walls for tracking?

Whether you put fiducials on the wall and a camera on the headset, or vice-versa (like the original Rift did) is not that relevant of a distinction. Whatever "inside out tracking" meant in 2012, today it means you get 6dof without having to setup a pile of gear in your room.
Funnily enough, I just started watching Succession last week.

This feels like real like succession panning out. Every board member is trying to figure out how to optimize their position.
Yeh I really wish they'd better articulate the "AI safety" directive in a way that is broader than deepfakes and nuclear/chemical winter. It feels like an easy sell to regulators. Meanwhile most of us are creating charming little apps that make day-to-day lives easier and info more accessible. The hand-wavey moral panic is a bit of a tired trope in tech.

Also.. eventually anyone will be able to run a small bank of GPUs and train models equally capable to GPT-4 in a matter of days so it's all kinda.. moot and hilarious. Everyone's chatting about AGI alignment, but that's not something we can lockdown early or sufficiently. Then embedded industry folks are talking about constitutional AI as if it's some major alignment salve. But if they were honest they'd admit it's really just a SYSTEM prompt front-loaded with a bunch of axioms and "please be a good boy" rules, and is thus liable to endless injections and manipulations by means of mere persuasion.

The real threshold of 'danger' will be when someone puts an AGI 'instance' in a fully autonomous hardware that can interact with all manner of physical and digital spaces. ChatGPT isn't going to randomly 'break out'. I feel so let down by these kinds of technically illfounded scare tactics from the likes of Altman.
It's really none of Microsoft's business, they invested knowing they wouldn't have a seat on the board.
I don't know Sam Altman, but have listened to him speak a number of times on Youtube and I can hear the excitement, nervousness and confidence in his voice, including on Dev Day. He is human like the rest of us.

We humans cannot rest. We cannot stay where we are and stagnate. We must keep pushing forward. Sam has and is clearly helping with that mission, AGI or no, regulatory capture or no.

We cannot linger here, we must move on, into the future, as much as we would like to freeze time or change things back to the way they were.

Sucks to have the rug pulled out from under you, that much I can empathize with.
Perhaps they are going to elevate ChatGPT to executive? That guy has been bringing a lot of value to the company.
Would you help your Uncle Jack off a horse without uppercase letters?
Yes, but Ilya is on the Board of Directors; and Sam is currently unemployed (although: not for long).
I kind of agree, but at the same time we can't be sure of what's going on behind the scenes. It seems that GPT-4 is a combination of several huge models with some logic to route the requests to the most apt models. Maybe an AGI would make more sense as a single, more cohese structure?

Also, the fact that it can't incorporate knowledge at the same time as it interacts with us kind of limits the idea of an AGI.

But regardless, it's absurdly impressive what it can do today.
There's a whole new generation of engineers for whom this is new news. Enjoy!
are you suggesting they brought up a vote on a whim at a board meeting and acted on it same day
Intelligence is not Enough – Bryan Cantrill – Monktoberfest 2023 [video]
Or that Reddit post which has been circulating widely was the source for Kara’s tweets.
Jensen/CoreWeave/Lambda/etc will ensure sama gets what he needs.
Altman was pushing that narrative because he’s a ladder kicker.

He doesn’t give a shit about “safety”. He just wants regulation that will make it much harder for new AI upstarts to reach or even surpass the level of OpenAI’s success, thereby cementing OpenAI’s dominance in the market for a very long time, perhaps forever.

He’s using a moral high ground as a cover for more selfish objectives, beware of this tactic in the real world.
Wasn’t he more of a business guy while Ilya was the engineer? I really doubt a random VC guy is going to really know much about the specific, crucial details the engineering team knows.
Roughly ~all code has bugs. We were all trained on trivial examples and buggy code - just like llms.

Honestly I think editing code will be easier than creating wholly new applications to precise spec.
I am pretty positive on AI and LLMs and all this stuff. But even so I really doubt OAI could have made something so much better than GPT to the point that it worth sacking its CEO in such a manner.

Sam has always been a salesman, that is true and the board knows it. It would take much more than just a disagreement on the value and urgency of a deal to get rid of him. I think it has to be active sabotage and some kind of business maneuver that basically kill the company as it is right now while not telling the board about it.
Agreed with the former. Not the latter. gdb is no random.
No. A weak coup would do exactly that. They have to isolate and alienate or they risk the ousted leader coming back or damaging the company.
Tbh this reads a lot like Ilya thinking he’s Tony Stark and his (still impressive) language model is somehow the same as an iron man suit. Which is arrogance to the point of ignorance, reality isn’t that romantic.

I can only hope this doesn’t turn into OpenAI trying to gatekeep multimodal models or conversely everyone else leaving them in the dust.
I'd go a little farther than that—I suspect that they were worried a chunk of users would assume the device required the cord for normal operation.
My comment was not referring, nor directed, to you.
Way before phone keyboards even existed, we learned touch typing and thus can create grammatically correct sentences with proper punctuation every bit as fast as someone who is skipping those niceties. You're just putting lipstick on lazy. ;-)
...what is it you thought they were saying? Because the "wacky structure" they refer to is the non-profit structure of the organization.
lol. Just tried to post this and got re-directed here. Surprising that it's not doing a lot better, considering what just happened.
I don't know if it was led by Sam, and don't dispute that it may have been "hacky," but there is no denying it was a visionary project.

Yes, other companies had similar models. I know Google, in particular, already had similar LLMs, but explicitly chose not to incorporate them into its products. Sam / OpenAI had the gumption to take the state of the art and package it in a way that it could be interacted with by the masses.

In fact, thinking about it more, the parallels with Steve Jobs are uncanny. Google is Xerox. ChatGPT is the graphical OS. Sam is...
Sama told 30M before announcement, GDB 5M before
A parsimonious explanation is that Altman fabricated progress and/or was covering up serious flaws in the system. Consider the recent revelation of Cruise’s use of human pilots for “driverless” cars. Does OpenAI have an army of “mechanical turks” in a massive call center somewhere?
That doesn't pass the smell test.

Those seems like implementation details, really strange.
No this can definitely be considered unusual, and it's misguided to paint it as angry men online. She participated in a decision that affects all of us (leadership/alignment of AI) and is now attempting to hide from the consistences of that participation (privatizing profile and change the name). You don't get to make big decisions and then hide under a rock.
If you push a field forward, you are usually not making the money. You most likely have the wrong skills and the wrong priorities, and you are probably too far ahead of the rest of the world. The people coming in the next wave will usually be the ones making the money.

If you can't accept that, focus more on making money and less on developing something new.
Why do you believe "real ml experience" qualifies someone to speculate about the impact of what is currently science fiction technology on society?
> Wacky" is an interesting way to describe "non-profit" or, in this case, "not purely profit motivated."

> I'd personally prefer we just not work on AGI at all, but I'd rather a non-profit dedicated to safe AI do it than a for-profit company dedicated to returns for shareholders.

You seem to be under the impression that OpenAI is a nonprofit. For the most part, it's not: it was founded as a non-profit, but it subsequently restructured into a for-profit company with the nonprofit owned under the same umbrella company. This is indeed an unusual corporate structure.

That's likely what OP is referring to as "wacky".
(not directly related) Wow, i just asked google bard, and it already said something about the firing of Sam Altman. How is that possible? Is that some plug-in, or is the LLM updated continuously?

> why was sam altman fired from openai?

Sam Altman, the co-founder and CEO of OpenAI, was fired on November 17, 2023, after the company's board determined that he had not been consistently candid in his communications with them. The company did not provide specific details about Altman's alleged lack of candor, but it said that his actions had "hindered the board's ability to exercise its responsibilities."

Altman's departure from OpenAI came as a surprise to many in the tech industry, given the company's recent success under his leadership. OpenAI had developed several groundbreaking AI technologies, including the popular ChatGPT chatbot, and Altman had been a vocal advocate for the responsible development of AI.

In a statement released shortly after his firing, Altman said that he respected the board's decision and that he was proud of his time at OpenAI. He also said that he was looking forward to new opportunities in the future.

The reasons for Altman's firing remain somewhat unclear, but it is likely that his lack of candor with the board was a serious breach of trust. The board's decision to remove him as CEO suggests that they believed that he was no longer the right person to lead the company.

Altman's firing is a reminder of the importance of transparency and accountability in corporate leadership. CEOs have a responsibility to be open and honest with their boards, and they must be held accountable for their actions.

> could chatgtp have fired sam altman?

No, ChatGPT could not have fired Sam Altman. ChatGPT is a large language model, and it is not capable of taking actions in the real world such as firing someone. Only the board of directors of OpenAI had the authority to fire Altman.

It is possible that ChatGPT could have been used to generate evidence that was used to fire Altman. For example, if Altman had been using ChatGPT to communicate with the board, the board could have analyzed those communications to look for evidence of dishonesty. However, even in this case, ChatGPT would not have been the one making the decision to fire Altman. The decision would have ultimately been made by the board of directors.
> Without persistence outside of the context window, they can't even maintain a dynamic, stable higher level goal.

I mean, can't you say the same for people? We are easily confused and manipulated, for the most part.
Sam wanted to commercialize stuff to shoot for revenue. Ilya wants to keep pushing for gpt 4.5 and beyond, to hell with the revenue. Ilya won the argument, Sam out.

Hell yeah.

It's not safetyism vs accelerationism.

It's commercialization vs innovation.
It began the day up 54.75% YTD and ended the day up 50.6% YTD. They've had single-day downswings as large or larger like 30 times this year alone. Microsoft is fine.
Pico kinda copies the quest UI. I was surprised how similar it was.

I bought one to hold me over until the quest 3 came out but it had a wobbly lens flaw that made me nauseous. It turned out to be quite common. I had to return it. Luckily the quest 3 is now out.
Hugely unprofessional and a billion dollar liability.
Mmmmm no. Kara is a bonafide journalist. Her sources are v real and authenticated for the things she shares.
The Wizard of Washington
100 million monthly active users at the end of October, and still growing, according to Zuck. Is that not considered successful anymore?
I think it might be brutal for more than junior people now. I thought I would be fine when my previous employer decided to offshore all of engineering and I was laid off as a result. I have been at an architect/lead/principal level for the last 7 years doing backend work with mostly state-of-the-art tech on AWS. 15 years experience total, and just getting no traction despite referrals. None of my jobs were at hyperscale FAANG types, or super sexy stuff. I'm not a thought leader with an influential blog nor have I built an open source library with 5k stars. Maybe that is what it takes to get a call back now? I'm a regular hacker who loves technology and never dreamed I would be struggling this badly.
> people on the Reddit notice a significant change

Okay...

> (to the positive)

what?

> of responses.

what?

This comment doesn't make any sense. Can you clarify? Please reword it rather than defending the original phrasing - there are so many ambiguities.
I'm sure Sir David would have a good laugh. People getting upset for this makes no sense.
I was curious about the value of the theoretical limit, googled it, and found this paper [1] with this chart [2].

[1] https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S24058...

[2] https://ars.els-cdn.com/content/image/1-s2.0-S24058297193110...
And Bosch, more or less:

> Robert Bosch GmbH, including its wholly owned subsidiaries, is unusual in that it is an extremely large, privately owned corporation that is almost entirely (92%) owned by a charitable foundation. Thus, while most of the profits are invested back into the corporation to build for the future and sustain growth, nearly all of the profits distributed to shareholders are devoted to humanitarian causes.

> [...] Bosch invests 9% of its revenue on research and development, nearly double the industry average of 4.7%.

(Source: Wikipedia)

I always considered this a wonderful idea for a tech giant.
Paywall free: https://archive.ph/SQcMd
> I have in mind that the CPI was already using push polling

A good question. Given my background, the earliest case I can think of is:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38314926

Besides his advances in polling techniques, he also "argued that political campaigns must adapt themselves to public opinion, which he characterized as a 'moving picture of sentiment.' The theory depended on two observations: first that emotional resonance, rather than reason and argumentation, is what drives most voters; the second was that sentiment is indecisive and continually changing."

Unfortunately, the book itself is not OA, although parts of it have been ripped off by Google.
Gives me "Page Not Found."
I think the phrasing to the parent you replied to is perfect. "Aligns" is correct. IT doesn't really say which direction information flowed. Anyway, it is interesting how tech journalists get so deeply embedded in issues. She does seem to be pretty legitimate.
Check out the comments.
how do I save a HN comment ? Someone give this person a medal!
Around me, the bottleneck is with drilling, not the heat pumps themselves
It does not mean that it is objectively many times better than GPT. It can be a disagreement of interpretation, Ilya and co strongly believing that it is not safe to release, while Sam thinking everything is fine. The capabilities themselves are not very relevant.
And much of that money is/will be spent on Azure. That’s incredibly valuable data and return on investment
Not surprising when you consider the volume of posts on GPT threads hand-wringing about "free speech" because the chatbot won't use slurs.
A good job referral is like “Rick just quit Monday. Go talk to Greg. Tell him I sent you” in a Tuesday morning phone call.

Good luck.
We barely understand the human brain, but sure we’re super close to AGI because we made chat bots that don’t completely suck anymore. It’s such hubris. Are the tools cool? Undoubtedly. But come down to earth for a second. People have lost all objectivity.
How does knowing you are arguing against a GPT-4 bot?
authentication means finding a 2nd source. This reddit comment could be primary, armed with that it's not hard for Kara to find somebody inside to say "yes, accurate." That is real journalism.
This is exactly what the story reminded me of.
Adam D'Angelo is well-known as the founder of Quora (and Quora's demise).
I'm so glad someone has called this out. I bought my kids Nintendo Switches and was appalled at the sad state of the Switch parental controls. No PIN locking, so my little ones can just swipe my teenager's Switch (which I don't bother with parental controls with). You can't specify "no time today" - your minimum time choice is 15 minutes. It's just plain awful.

Apple TV is just as bad- I have Apple TVs throughout the house... but there's no way to lock them down either! Want to enforce no TV until a certain hour of the morning on Saturday? Too bad!

I've just resorted to physically moving the errant devices into what we call "Switch jail" - aka my lockable network rack in the basement. Trouble is... I bought my teenage daughter a lockpicking set for Christmas... guess what happened next... I guess I should be proud of the effort!
Posts like these make me appreciate my parents for not bothering to do any of this nonsense. Absolutely zero care in the slightest for movie/game/music ratings, completely unfiltered internet. The only standard I was held to as a kid was "will she have nightmares if we let her watch it." Honestly there's something to the theory that if you don't make it a thing it stops being a thing.

At any point I could have put on an R rated movie, took one of my mom's cigarettes, or drank one of my dad's beers if I wanted but I didn't. For I'm sure their own amusement they even offered them to me just to watch me go bleh. And why would I -- ewwww those were boring dad movies. Hell I could have found porn but what stopped me wasn't parental controls, it was being 9 and not knowing such a thing existed. I'm still embarrassed that I never realized that that's what was behind the swinging doors at hollywood video until I was at college.

And I still remember the moment that was tossed aside too; I was like 8-9 years old, couldn't sleep and came down stairs because my dad was still up watching a movie. He must been in the bathroom or getting something from the fridge but regardless he wasn't there so I got into his chair, put on his headphones and hit play. Didn't know at the time what I was watching but it was Kill Bill and I thought it was so cool these two badass women were fighting each other. When my dad came back and caught me I was mortified so sure I was gonna get in trouble. But no, he was like, "you think this is cool?" and got our another pair of headphones so we could watch together. Big don't tell your mom I'm letting you stay up late energy. After that my dad was like I know what she's goona like and we watched the entire Alien series together and Alien 2 is still my favorite movie to this day.
Air source heat pumps require no drilling or ground loops such that geothermal heat pumps do.

https://www.energy.gov/energysaver/air-source-heat-pumps

https://www.rewiringamerica.org/app/ira-calculator/informati...

https://www.energystar.gov/products/air_source_heat_pumps

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_source_heat_pump
X links abound throughout this 1700+ comment thread.
In my company a strong referral certainly carries a lot of weight. There is however a big difference between a casual referral (as in, I barely know this guy but he reached out to me) vs a strong referral (as in, I've worked with him and will vouch for him and I would like him on the team).
>I don't believe professionals who work in biggest AI labs are spooked by GPT.

Then you haven't been paying any attention to them.
That account actually sounds like it is generating text via chatgpt. zero spelling mistakes and keeps things super vague
As they say, you can spot the pioneers because they're the ones with arrows in their backs.
This! Car drivers like to complain about the cost of building bike infrastructure. But if you look at the statistics, bike infrastructure is like 1/100th of the cost per mile as car infrastructure.
And of course it is the top voted comment in this discussion right now.

Europeans have the biggest ongoing case of butthurt I've ever experienced. Is it some kind of inferiority complex because the US is a superpower?
When this happens, log out of HN or load HN in Incognito Mode (not logged in), and you'll get fast page loads by hitting the front end cache.
Well, if it's so smart then maybe it will learn to count finally someday.

https://chat.openai.com/share/986f55d2-8a46-4b16-974f-840cb0...