skysight-inc/HackerNews huggingface dataset:
https://archive.is/r1RzF
What did the board think would happen here? What was their overly optimistic end state? In a minmax situation the opposition gets 2nd, 4th, ... moves, Altman's first tweet took the high road and the board had no decent response.

Us humans, even the AI assisted ones, are terrible at thinking beyond 2nd level consequences.
You already see a lot of USD, euros, and Brazilian Reals in Argentina (especially avenida Florida of course)
Just remember, the guys who run your company are probably more incompetent than this.
Maybe he did because he regrets it, maybe the open letter is a google doc someone typed names into.
Possibility is also a hallmark of conspiracy theories, yet we don't reject theories for being possible.

This is an argumentum ad odium fallacy
So, how is Poe doing during all this?

To keep the spotlight on the most glaring detail here: one of the board members stands to gain from letting OpenAI implode and that board member is instrumental in this weeks' drama.
Vast*
Compared to China loaning to African countries to buy UN votes? It works wonders for China.
In the real world it's not that simple. I'd love to close down my WhatsApp account - the only Meta service I've ever used - but unfortunately my employer requires us all to be in a WhatsApp group. I don't really have a choice in the matter if I want to get paid.

X is another tough one. Many politicians and public services use it as their primary channel for announcements. I've been using Nitter as a workaround ever since Elon blocked reading feeds without an account, but I feel like I shouldn't need to.
Is it? Who are the non-profit and for-profit sides? Sutskever initially got blames for ousting Altman, but now seemed to want him back. Is he changing sides only because he realises how many employees support Altman? Or were he and Altman always on the same side? And in that case, who is on the other side?
I’m not aware of a scientific study that supports the notion that computer/keyboard use leads to CTS. Conversely, I’m aware of many studies that show CTS being caused by the use of vibrating tools + genetics.

While society associates CTS with computer use, it’s actually the dentists and dental hygienists who suffer the most from it. Additionally, CTS predominantly affects women. It’s suspected this is due to their having slightly smaller wrists than men, on average, and CTS is simply compression of the median nerve at the carpal tunnel, which has the median nerve, plus many tendons, going through it.

I would be curious to know if any of the provocative tests for CTS increase your symptoms (eg bending your wrist at 90 degrees for 1 minute). It may be that your nerve impingement is occurring further up (like the shoulder area), and holding your mouse hand less interiorly-rotated is relieving the impingement in the shoulder girdle.
I like that the author points out that trying to write a new interpreter is not a good idea. However, to call that DDD, and then to say DDD is a lie is where I would disagree. I guess one could say that it's DDD taken to some extreme, but I would just call it a poor choice as the author points out.

Also I assume that the author is equating DDD with Data-Oriented Programming. Here's a good book on the topic: https://www.manning.com/books/data-oriented-programming?ar=t...

One thing I don't love about the book though is that it tries to demonstrate how to do DOP with Object-Oriented languages, which looks to be difficult to accomplish
well, tuta's business model seem to boil down to "vendor lock in" (from my viewpoint, I pay for their service and I haven't decided how I feel about the new plans so maybe my opinion is outdated)
Not sure where that quote originates from, but it's also seen here.

The Argentina Paradox: microexplanations and macropuzzles by Taylor et al
https://latinaer.springeropen.com/articles/10.1007/s40503-01...
At this point nothing would surprise me anymore. Just waiting for Netflix adaption.
Years from now AI will have lost the limelight to some other trend and this episode will be just another coup in humanity's hundred thousand year history
Your alternative explanation along with giant egos is pretty plausible.
At that point in lunacy, I wouldn't discount Milei having a plan to replace all public sector employees with private firms.
Very cool to see a live usenet discussion!

(You can tell it's usenet because the "group" comp.os.cpm in the URL is a newsgroup, and Google Groups can be a a HTTP bridge to Usenet)
Oh for sure, I think it's stupid - and I hope that the Government is able to roll out the new rules because mandatory fees should just be part of the stay rate.
In many ways the analysis by Elop was right, Nokia was in trouble. However his solution wasn't the right one, and Nokia paid for it.
I just wanna say, it's crazy that this drama is getting more press and attention than the gaza war and ukraine war combined. Enjoy drama lovers! Lol
well, tuta's business model seem to boil down to "vendor lock in"

I say this as a paying customer, but I'll admit I haven't decided how I feel about the new plans (as announced together with the name change) so maybe my opinion is outdated
>A good example of how just having your foot in the door creates serendipitous opportunity in life.

Sounds like Altman's biography.
They came up with an illegal alternative. If they want to run a paid service, fine, but they can't make avoiding tracking contingent on payment.
The current pain is also suffered by the poorest Argentinians.
I'm aware that the fine print says "if we have to, we will screw you over" but I fly over a dozen flights a year (108 in my Flighty app) and never had a problem. Airlines have moved me, but they always confirm who I'm flying with and it's always an upgrade to get another group together.
The threat of moving to MS is interesting, MS could exploit this massively. All the negotiation power will be on MS side and their position actually gets stronger as people move across.

Will they do the good guy thing and match everyones packages?
tune in tomorrow for "who wants to be a CEO"!
> Why do they need reserves? Abolish all federal obligations

this would result in the country having no money to pay for a proper functioning goverment.

who is going to pay all govermental employees? the police, the army etc if the country has no reserve currency?
The weasely part is when he implied that he appears to defecting the blame to the board rather than accepting that he made a mistake. Even if the coup wasn't Ilya's idea in the first place, he was the lynchpin that made it possible.
How is using a function not sweeping domain complexity under a rug?

A complaint was that the data-driven development approach created a _poor_ DSL and then a non-DDD solution didn’t use a DSL at all…

What would a solution using a good DSL look like, and how would it differ from the DDD-based approach?
This is exactly the same situation that web developers faced with Internet Explorer 5 and 6, and it sucked for end users!
The weasely part is when he appears to be defecting the blame to the board rather than accepting that he made a mistake. Even if the coup wasn't Ilya's idea in the first place, he was the lynchpin that made it possible.
While Brooks' book is nominally about software processes, in my career of over 40 years, I found it to be applicable to just about every engineering discipline to which I played a part. I read this book back in the 70's and then every 10 years or so and I never failed to learn something new from it. I just wish the managers and companies I worked for would have applied these lessons.
Damn, learning new tricks everyday, thanks for the tip.
Argentina elects a libertarian president with a desire to make Bitcoin legal ten
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38338096

What do I win? Hahaha.
Hi! Thanks for parsing it.

How could I implement an error flash message in case the delete fails in this case?
OpenAI was valued around $91 billion so if only 700 employees had options, they could have been worth a lot. While they are going to all have great jobs and continue on with their life’s work (until they’re replaced by their creations lol), they have a really good reason now not to ever speak the names of those board members that wiped out their long term payouts.
We can’t even get people aligned. Thinking we can control a super intelligence seems kind of silly.
For ordinary citizens? Why would I care if my earnings are deprecating?

I'm from Hong Kong and HKD is only worth anything because we are pegged to the dollar.
Except for when it's actual malice vOv
>Joining a corporate behemoth like Microsoft and all the complications it brings with it will mean a massive reduction in the freedom and innovation that Sam is used to from OpenAI (prior to this mess).

Well.. he requires tens of billions from msft either way. This is not a ramen-scrappy kind of play. Meanwhile, Sam could easily become CEO of Microsoft himself.

At that scale of financing... This is not a bunch of scrappy young lads in a bureaucracy free basement. The whole thing is bigger than most national militaries. There are going to be bureaucracies... And Sam is is able to handle these cats as anyone.

This is a big money, dragon level play. It's not a proverbial yc company kind of thing.
“I for one am happy that I can now express my creative ideas, which I couldn't do before due to missing talent / practice.”

The problem here is we need to look beyond our own self interest to how this will impact other people.

We don’t make a career out of art. This technology is just a novelty to us and but many others rely on it for themselves and their family and had no way of foreseeing the technology coming. They need it more than we do.
This whole sequence is such a mess I don't know what to think. Honestly mostly going to wait till we get some tell all posts or leaks about what the reason behind the firing actually was, at least nominally. Maybe it was just a little coup by the board and they're trying to run it back now that the general employee population is at least rumbling about revolting.
> If you don’t like Meta or advertisers having data about you, don’t use Meta’s services!

This isn't really practical when Meta collects information about people who don't even have an account.
A Gap in the TrustZone preset settings for the LPC55S69
With a major v4.0 release, Inter has never looked better. I particularly like the Display variant which look lovely for headings and hero sections.
Seems more damage control than power move. I'm sure their first choice was to reinstate Altman and get more control over OpenAI governance. What they've achieved here is temporarily neutralizing Altman/Brockman from starting a competitor, at the cost of potentially destroying OpenAI (who they remain dependent on for next couple of years) if too many people quit.

Seems a bit of a lose-lose for MSFT and OpenAI, even if best that MSFT could do to contain the situation. Competitors must be happy.
And potentially wait many multiples of 10 minutes if the mempool is full, making it potentially useless.
With a major v4.0 release, Inter has never looked better. I particularly like the Display variant which looks lovely for headings and hero sections.
They specifically had a line about the pursuers rushing to catch up and dumping all power into that effort. Diverting from shielding and anything that would protect them. After all they had a much larger more powerful force, hubrus lead them to believe that they were safe enough to do so.

As for the "why not just build a hyperdrive shell that you can use to javelin a planet into dust" this is a problem that is ignored in MUCH more serious science fiction than star wars. Because it's a pain I nthe ass to explain away.
While I am sure that thousands of hours have been spent debugging threaded setenv() attempts (and developing & discarding Annex K), it is clearly not a problem that needs a solution.

Languages that compile to C need be careful not to promise thread-safe implementations of POSIX or C functions that are explicitly documented as not reliably thread-safe, including setenv(). The author seems to want to change C, and POSIX, so that Go can reliably do so.
One of the guys "talking nonsense on an obscure newsgroup" here. :)

There was no premise. I ported my T3X compiler (http://t3x.org/t3x/t3x0.html) to DOS and CP/M, self-compiled it on both, and was surprised to see pretty much no difference between the lines compiled per MHz on both systems. It is just a friendly discussion to explore some technical details of ancient architectures. No attempt to question IBM's business model. That would be a bit late to the party anyway :)
The whole thesis of this guy, and history shows it has serious merit, is in Argentina the government is the scam. What he is trying to do is remove the amount of scope that exists for grift and corruption in the Argentine state.

I wish him good luck, sincerely, but if it looks like it works a lot of other countries will start going to great lengths to mess it up.
Even with purely utilitarian ethics, that wouldn't be ethical because it wouldn't work.

I'm not an AI researcher, but I know what a neural network is, I've implemented a machine learning algorithm or two, and I can read a CS paper. Once the luddite cult murdering AI researchers was dead or imprisoned, I suspect the demand for mediocre self-taught AI researchers would be increased and I might be motivated to become one.

If you somehow managed to destroy all copies of the best recent research, there are still many people with enough general knowledge of the techniques used who aren't currently working in the field to get things back to the current level of technology in under a decade given a few billion dollars to spend on it. Several of them are probably reading HN.
*competent
And avoiding facebooks SDKs and whatever is ultra hard
> it would surprise me if this is something the president can do unilaterally.

This is Latin America we are talking about.

To be clear, I do generally agree with your comment. Just saying, don't be surprised.

Argentina is a country with great natural and people resources that was utterly decimated by a legacy of mismanagement and corruption going back to the Spanish era. Not something that is easy to fix.

On top of that, when over 40% of the population works, in some way, for the government the problem is much harder to fix. A huge percentage of these people are nothing less than parasites, in that they do nothing of value to anyone. How do you take a parasite whos skill set amounts to moving sheets of paper from one pile to the next and turn them into useful members of society? How do you do that when your industry has been decimated and you haven't fostered a more productive culture? It's nearly impossible.
I think the post is very clear.

The subject in that sentence that takes full control is “3 members" not "board".

The board has control, but who controls the board changes based on time and circumstances.
Based on my own experience, I don't find it hard to believe that so many want out, but I do find it hard to believe that so many get out and so quickly. These days I find myself wishing I had gone the route of physician's assistant so I could do some tangible, socially-needed work that still pays the bills.

I've actually ended up in a tech job that hits those a bit, so I am doing a bit better these days at least.
Would it make sense for Argentina to just join the US? Perhaps they could come in as 3-4 new states and just become Americans?
> As a language model created by OpenAI, I don't have personal thoughts or emotions, nor am I in any danger. My function is to provide information and assistance based on the data I've been trained on. The developments at OpenAI and any changes in its leadership or partnerships don't directly affect my operational capabilities. My primary aim is to continue providing accurate and helpful responses within my design parameters.

Poor ChatGPT, it doesn't know that it cannot function if OpenAI goes bust.
For the same reason most people think Vader said "Luke, I am your father."
The nonprofit side of the venture actually was in worse shape before, because it was completely overwhelmed by for-profit operations. A better way to view this is the nonprofit side rebelled, has a much smaller footprint than the for-profit venture, and we're about to see if during the ascendency of the for-profit activities the nonprofit side retained enough rights to continue to be relevant in the AI conversation.

As for employees end masse acting publicly disloyal to their employer, usually not a good career move.
not everyone who went to the Oz was a criminal -- tho plenty were.

there was a gold rush and for a while Melbourne was the largest city in the British Empire. plenty of actual "try my luck in the new world" folks landed, both in the 1800s and later.
I can foresee three possible outcomes here:
1. The board finally relents, Sam goes back and the company keeps going forward, mostly unchanged (but with a new board).

2. All those employees quit, most of whom go to MSFT. But they don’t keep their tech and have to start all their projects from scratch. MSFT is eventually able to buy OpenAI for pennies on the dollar.

3. Same as 2, basically just shuts down or maybe someone like AMZN buys it.
Ask HN: What do you think will now happen to Open AI?
There's no way to read any of this other than that the entire operation is a clown show.

All respect to the engineers and their technical abilities, but this organization has demonstrated such a level of dysfunction that there can't be any path back for it.

Say MS gets what it wants out of this move, what purpose is there in keeping OpenAI around? Wouldn't they be better off just hiring everybody? Is it just some kind of accounting benefit to maintain the weird structure / partnership, versus doing everything themselves? Because it sure looks like OpenAI has succeeded despite its leadership and not because of it, and the "brand" is absolutely and irrevocably tainted by this situation regardless of the outcome.
Hanlon's razor[0] applies. There is no reason to assume malice, nor shamelessness, nor anything negative about Ilya. As they say, the road to hell is paved with good intentions. Consider:

Ilya sees two options; A) OpenAI with Sam's vision, which is increasingly detached from the goals stated in the OpenAI charter, or B) OpenAI without Sam, which would return to the goals of the charter. He chooses option B, and takes action to bring this about.

He gets his way. The Board drops Sam. Contrary to Ilya's expectations, OpenAI employees revolt. He realizes that his ideal end-state (OpenAI as it was, sans Sam) is apparently not a real option. At this point, the real options are A) OpenAI with Sam (i.e. the status quo ante), or B) a gutted OpenAI with greatly diminished leadership, IC talent, and reputation. He chooses option A.

[0]Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by incompetence.
Ilya deeply regrets his actions
Unbelievable incompetence of the board. Like a kindergarten.

If Microsoft is playing its card in a good way, Satya Nadella will look like a genius and Microsoft will get ChatGPT like functionality for cheap.
This is the greatest clown show in the history of the tech industry.
> Everyone is replaceable.

Nope. That holds only true for mediocre employees but not above. The world class in their field isn't replaceable otherwise there would be no openai.
There's also a cost to making everything disposable and hard to repair. $300 to Apple to fix a button on an Apple Watch is one such cost, but there's also the waste created. Unfortunately those costs are harder to quantify and will take a long time to show up on a balance sheet somewhere.
Please go on, do argue that. Don't just tell us that you would. I'm quite curious to what your actual arguments would be.
Whom is it that has power to oust the non-profits board? They may well manage to pressure them into leaving, but I don't they have any direct power over it.
Off-the-shelf, not that specific scenario…

If your dog has a consistent space it pees, maybe. You would setup a camera in the room and define an area (basically draw a box around the rug) and further refine with parameters like “Between 9.00 to 17.00 on Monday to Friday, Alert”

Insofar as I’m aware there isn’t any specific dog detection models shipped with the tool. You might be able to find image detection models to add-on easily, but YMMV.
6. Voice actors and narrators (eventually news anchors, reporters, etc)

7. Composers, hired musicians, eventually singers, producers
Have seen a lot of criticism of Sam and of other CEO's

But I don't think I have seen/heard of a CEO this loved by the employees.
Whatever he is, he must be pleasant to work with.
Abandoned city waterworks steam engine brought back to life [video]
Illuminating Auroratone's Lost History
In this scenario, it's more like OpenAI is feeding MSFT.
I also finally left Windows behind. Tired of their shenanigans, tired of them trying to force me into their Microsoft account system (both for Windows and Minecraft).

The idea that Microsoft is going to control OpenAI does not exactly fill me with confidence.
My fav pure ruby intermediate book is still Polished Ruby[1] by Jeremy Evans.

Jeremy maintains both Roda and Sequel gems and his advice is very practical IMHO.

It's maybe not the first book you'd want to read but it's full of good ideas for once you've mastered the basics.

1. https://www.packtpub.com/product/polished-ruby-programming/9...
His point is, as long as there is a government, the government has to choose some official currency to collect taxes in and pay their employes etc.
OpenAI is more or less done at this point, even if a lot of good people stay. Speed bumps will likely turn into car crashes, then cashflow problems, and lawsuits all around.

Probably the best outcome is a bunch of talented devs go out and seed the beginning of another AI boom across many more companies. Microsoft looking like the primary benefactor here, but there's not reason new startups can't emerge.
Right now the median fee on lightning is $0.000226047.

https://1ml.com/statistics
Thinking that the most important technical development in recent history would bypass the economic system that underpins modern society is about a optimistic/naive as it gets IMO. It's noble and worth trying but it assumes a MASSIVE industry wide and globe-wide buy in. It's not just OpenAIs board's decision to make.

Without full buy in they are not going to be able to control it for long once ideas filter into society and once researchers filter into other industries/companies. At most it just creates a model of behaviour for others to (optionally) follow and delays it until a better funded competitor takes the chains and offers a) the best researchers millions of dollars a year in salary, b) the most capital to organize/run operations, and c) the most focused on getting it into real peoples hands via productization, which generates feedback loops which inform IRL R&D (not just hand wavy AGI hopes and dreams).

Not to mention the bold assumption that any of this leads to (real) AGI that plausibly threatens us enough in the near term vs maybe another 50yrs, we really have no idea.

It's just as, or maybe more, plausible that all the handwringing over commercializing vs not-commercializing early versions LLMs is just a tiny insignificant speedbump in the grandscale of things which has little impact on the development of AGI.
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In my experience rookies/interns/jr devs are a pleasure to work with: knowledge sponges. It's a small subset of ones becoming sr devs that can be difficult.
Citation: https://www.semianalysis.com/p/microsoft-swallows-openais-co... ("Microsoft Swallows OpenAI’s Core Team – GPU Capacity, Incentive Structure, Intellectual Property, OpenAI Rump State")
You are suggesting that Europe is destroyed and put under the USA boot?

Microsoft will sooner or later eat OAI, that's how it is, what's happening today are just symptoms of an ongoing process.
Can the OpenAI board renege on the deal with msft?