skysight-inc/HackerNews huggingface dataset:
I think the whole problem that sparked all this was that Sam & Co. wasn't enough about being open and research, but more into closed products. I'm surprised over this particular solution because they enter Microsoft with a ton of knowledge of OpenAI internals which seems to open the floodgates for an array of lawsuits if they so much touch their codebases, unless it is under mutual and friendly terms. But now THAT it happened, I'm not surprised Sam is willing to build for Microsoft Copilot.
1. post quantum cryptography algorithms are being developed

2. the current banking system is already effectively broken. Baddies can forge banknotes and can social engineer financial institutions to perform fraudulent transactions. Despite that we have measures to keep such activities under control. I don't see why this can't be extended to CBDCs.
To be fair, MSFT was the most diversified tech company prior to his arrival - Google had Search, Facebook had Facebook, Apple had hardware. Microsoft by then had perhaps a dozen products with a billion dollars or more of revenue (Windows, Office, Sharepoint, Exchange, XBox, Azure, Surface, among others). Satya did well to focus on the cloud and grow opportunities there, but he hasn't significantly increased the diversity of the product lineup.
> For Matrix to be a success, we need to design it such that there can be contributions from others than New Vector.

What exactly do you think is stopping such contributions? It seems to me there is plenty of room for community involvement, it is simply a matter of the community doing it (which many have been of course, but there is also always more work to do and free skilled labor is not easy to come by in large quantities).

> Having at least a bunch of money in the foundation would reduce that risk, but New Vector seems to even be siphoning off that.

I'm not following. How does the foundation having money reduce this risk? In particular, how do you think the foundation would help prevent the "collapse" of matrix if they had more funding? If you ask me I'd think that funding developers would be a good way to do that, and as the primary force behind the reference implementations, wouldn't funding Element/New Vector be a good way to do that? Although I was under the impression that resources primarily flowed the opposite way, from Element to the Foundation, but I haven't kept close track so could be wrong...

In any case, I'd echo the original sentiment of this thread - as someone who joined their patreon back when it first started and still haven't left it, I don't really mind if they haven't documented for the public where exactly every penny went as long as it's going towards the people developing matrix. Yeah maybe not ideal, but given that the foundation has very little money to begin with I have a tough time faulting it. It would change things if they were bringing in millions, but when the community patreon is not even bringing in enough to hire a full time minimum wage employee in California, much less a developer, accountant, or lawyer, documenting the expenditure of a few pennies is pretty low on my priority list.
Adding .pibb to a gist url is another nice trick
> Changing the env during runtime is actually quite handy for debugging and forcing the program into specific states.

Wait, why would this need to happen at runtime? I have used env cars a lot to trigger specific cases but why would you want to do this while the process is running from within the process itself?

If you control the process you can start it with the right env to begin with, no?
Cmon, there's a myriad of examples where corporate/shareholder interest goes against humanities interest as a whole, see fossil fuels and PFAS for ones in the current zeitgeist.
Seems this, especially the second response, should convince OP. Considering if you would tell a human through a phone call or so that a dog is going to shoot you, your mates will call a mental health professional.
Actually I do have a special needs kid (my daughter is deaf). I do keep my door open during work hours.
Hm, many MTAs do return a unique queue ID when they accept a message over SMTP. Does SES not implement that?
I'm not sure I follow this chain of arguments, which I hear often. So, a technology becomes possible, that has the potential to massively disrupt social order - while being insanely profitable to those who employ it. The knowledge is already out there in scientific journals, or if it's not, it can be grokked via corporate espionage or paying huge salaries to the employees of OpenAI or whoever else has it.

What exactly can a foundation in charge of OpenAI do to prevent this unethical use of the technology? If OpenAI refuses to use it to some unethical goal, what prevents other, for profit enterprises, from doing the same? How can private actors stop this without government regulation?

Sounds like Truman's apocryphal "the Russian's will never have the bomb". Well, they did, just 4 years later.
No, but if you manage to scratch the aluminum foil layer on the backside, the CD instantly becomes useless. Or when you store cd's in large unboxed stacks, they can stick together, which can also damage the backside.
If the board is unhappy about that they are idiots and should not be board members.

Absolutely no one could have predicted Sam being removed as CEO without anyone knowledge until it happened.

But regardless a 10b investment has yields huge results for MS. MS is using openAI tech, they aren’t dependent on the openAI api or infrastructure to provide their AI in every aspect of MS products.

That 10b investment has prob paid itself back already and MS is leveraging AI faster than anyone else and has a stronger foothold on the market.

If the board can’t look past what 10b got then. I wouldn’t have faith in the board.
The pixels really disappoint here:

- Originally, you had unlimited storage for life (leading to a brisk trade in Pixel 1s even today, putting new pics on them for permanent back up).

- Then unlimited storage at somewhat reduced quality

- After pixel 5, that's out the window and they try to upcharge you for google 1 space

And now this...
Market cap is not really real money.
Non-competes illegal in California.
Racism has to be a negative for you to feel like that.
https://dl.acm.org/doi/book/10.5555/2815529

Their ARM edition (2015) is available for free via the ACM.
Exxon shareholders are also part of humanity. The company has known about the dangers of climate change for 50 years and did nothing because it could have impacted short/medium-term profits.

In reality ownership is so dispersed that the shareholders in companies like Microsoft or Exxon have no say in long-term issues like this.
Something nice about accept headers is you can have your own formats, and include versioning information. That means I can have a consumer specify it can process V2 and V3 formats of the API, and when the API is upgraded or downgraded around a release everything works smoothly. Your API can serve both but it doesn't have to - it can be easier to have clients support two versions than support long running parallel API versions.

I sometimes prefer file extensions, but then consuming code can often get filled with appending or removing or changing formats.

Broadly, I like content negotiation as a concept because it describes what you actually want and is much more typed (as far as it can be). Adding file extensions feels very stringly typed processing.

Both have problems, you pick your poison and look wistfully at the greener grass on the other side.
This is very short and explains exactly what they want: https://openai.com/charter

I think it's pretty obvious after reading it why people who were really committed to that Charter weren't happy with the direction that Sam was taking the company.
The GPT Golden Goose consists of 2 parts:
1. Smart people with the knowledge and motivation to build the Goose.
2. The compute required to create Eggs.
MSFT now has both.

I don't see how any regulatory framework could have prevented this now or in the future.
The mega rich have been building bunkers and preparing for the downfall of humanity for a long time now. Look around and you'll notice that greed wins out over everything else. We're surrounded by companies doing nothing or only small token gestures to protect humanity or the world we live in and instead focusing on getting rich, because getting rich is exactly why people become shareholders. Don't rely on those guys to save the world, it'll be the boring committees that are more likely to do that.
For me RSS reader in Firefox was the best idea hands down because of its simplicity and how well it was integrated with the browser: you'd click on that icon in the address bar and page with summary (originally you'd add feed directly to the bookmarks) and subscribe button would appear and then, modal asking where to put new channel/live bookmarks folder. With bookmarks bar on, you could have a handy folder or folders that changed list of "bookmarks" all day and you could glance thru headlines without actually opening a page. And IIRC, the default RSS channel was customized among all language versions - for British English it was BBC News. I really liked this feature and Mozilla removing it angered me much. For a while I tried using something else - RSSOwl or Feedly, or Nextgen Reader for Windows 10 but nothing could replace it for me.

Somehow Mozilla deducted that this feature is no longer needed due to the maintenance, performance and security costs [1] and it will be removed in v64 which was of course done. This reader was known and luckily at that time already ported as an extension to Chromium-based browsers as e.g. Foxish [2], which then was bring back as Firefox extension Livemarks [3]. That's a long way around trip.

[1] - https://www.gijsk.com/blog/2018/10/firefox-removes-core-prod... , https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1477667

[2] - https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/foxish-live-rss/nb...

[3] - https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/livemarks/
Forked:

https://twitter.com/satyanadella/status/1726509045803336122

"to lead a new advanced AI research team"

I would assume that Microsoft negotiated significant rights with regards to R&D and any IP.
It's not gonna be Microsoft employee, it's gonna be a subsidiary like GitHub, LinkedIn, etc. A lot more independence.
For one, I wish some of that caution could have been there when Facebook was in its OpenAI stage 15 years ago.
A lot of people don't seem to realize that this mess is exactly what it looks like to slow down something now that could become something else we will all regret in 10 years.
I guess they were fired exactly for this reason: more money, less research and being actually "open". A "non-profit" called "Open"AI hiding GPT-4 behind a paywall with no source code with just a few hints in the papers, surreal.
Well, art is just embedded into society, akin to is JavaScript the best programming language. Art means the art market. A lot of art, like performance art, is really a hard sell. That's why painting is still thriving. But there is also the correlation of that if some artist gets famous in art circles because of the quality buyers will want to play cool and buy stuff. Another complication is that there are two types of artists, a very small percentage that sells well, and then there are the ones that just live from the next art residence, to the next Biennial. The latter are plenty and not really commercial in the first place, because committees are deciding. If this is then the same as your personal taste is questionable. Bonding with artists and supporting them is most likely the best way to go, as you implied.
Consider that a substantial portion of that $900k comp is locked up in equity that needs a liquidity event to be realized.
And by seeing how Satya praise it
```
We remain committed to our partnership with OpenAI and have confidence in our product roadmap ... We look forward to getting to know Emmett Shear and OAI's new leadership team
```

You know OpenAI is now overly done. I'd say it's now in archive.

https://twitter.com/satyanadella/status/1726509045803336122
It feels more like face saving and to keep balance with investors and stocks etc..
Yeah, the current board has to go if they want to raise money again.
I find your theory more plausible. Microsoft, Google and Amazon were lagging in AI. You can simply look at their voice assistants for an example. That's why they started investing billions in OpenAI and other think tanks in this space. Now capital turns things around to be as they should (from their perspective) and reacquires control.

Anthropic is probably next in line.
Types of feeds I subscribe to:

* News/blogs

* Commits, e.g https://github.com/NixOS/rfcs/commits/master.atom

* Discounts for games on my wishlist: https://isthereanydeal.com/

* LKML posts mentioning a device I use: https://lore.kernel.org/all/?q=GnuBee&x=A

* Repology, to be notified when packages I maintain are out-of-date: https://repology.org/

* TLS certs issued for my domains, via https://crt.sh/

* Downtime notices, e.g. https://status.mythic-beasts.net.uk/status.rss

It's by far the highest SNR and calmest notification channel I have.
If your goal is to produce a lot of value and you don’t care about others capturing it, then it may actually be a good way to go, especially with the non-profit setup.
> I think part of the point is that we tried to save these specific species and failed

"We tried" is a very generous statement
The Death Star and the Final Trench Run (2017)
You forgot the one just recently, where I called a person insane for stating the US is in a good position to win a nuclear exchange with Russia.

I do not come to this site to have an open and fair debate with idiots. It is your job to have enough common sense and general education to tell whether something is worth debating over.

For example I feel a topic that is heavily under-debated is abortion. Maybe we should have a fair and balanced debate whether it's right to force women to carry out our children and on how easy we want to make it for people to kill babies? (this whole paragraph is an attempt at irony, I feel the need to point this out)

I understand you enforcing US exceptionalism to the extreme and removing any critique on it. But on the other side you're encouraging a debate on vaccine effectiveness as if it's apparently ambiguous.

The consequences of what you are doing, especially on a site that is supposed to be full of point dexters, are making this so immoral, it sometimes simply takes extra words to express it.
> Are you talking about OpenAI or about Sam Altman's hypothetical new company?

About him and Greg joining to Microsoft.

> I believe "cargo cult" means something quite different to how you're using it.

I don't think so.

Tribes believed that building wooden air strips or planes would bring the goods they have seen during wartime.

People believe that bringing Altman will bring the same thing (OpenAI as is) exactly where it's left off.

Altman is just tip of the iceberg. Might have some catalyst inside him, but he's not the research itself or the researcher himself.
(this is satire) Obviously Sam built the AGI that hacked everything in the planet

Even the pixels you see in your devices

Wake up people
> OpenAI's ideas of humanities best interests were like a catholic mom's

How do you mean? Don’t see what OpenAI has in common with Catholicism or motherhood.
I know. I have built my own RSS reader just so I can follow blogs I like and listen to podcasts. You can certainly find RSS feeds all around the web!

But I still consider it a dying protocol for the simple fact that average people don't seem to care about it anymore and not much seems to be built on it anymore.

The main exception being of course podcasts, which work over RSS!
> Greg Brockman, one of the most talented engineers in the world.

Can you help me understand how you came to the conclusion?
There was never an issue storing digital audio on tape. In fact, tape is still quite popular as a digital backup medium.
Microsoft seems to be the best of the mega-corps at that.
This whole weekend will probably be a case study in both Corporate Governance (Microsoft may look bad here for not anticipating the problem) and Negotiation (a masterclass by Satya: gave Ilya what he wanted and got most of OpenAI's commercial potential anyway).
Satya just pulled best move of 2023.
Gets the hot names, whoever will follow Sam and Greg, to work in a startup like cocoon. Throws money at them, which is peanuts to Microsoft, both stock to keep them and unlimited compute.
Sam wants to do custom chips? Do it with Microsofts money, size and clout. All doors are open. The new Maia100 chip can soon be followed by Sam200.
Brings innovation and makes the company more attractive to future hires.
Who cares if Same leaves after 2 years? Maybe that was part of the discussions, Satya wont be around forever and doesn't really have a good allround replacement inhouse.
MSFT stock meanwhile goes from sideways movement to another all time high and onto 400.
Genius move, would have never thought Sam accepts such arrangement but it makes sense.
I had hoped nobody read cyberpunk books and thought that was a description of utopia but consistently we see billionaires trying to act out the sci-fi novels from their youth or impose dystopian world views from Ayn Rand.
Or in other words, there’s no downside to narcissism when you can broadcast it and accumulate loyal followers who will ply you with money and fame
The most "When life give you lemons, make lemonade" move, if I've ever seen one.
Approximately 1 billion.
The Microsoft team going to churn out ChatGPT versions - which are the current valuation-makers. OpenAI is going to chase what comes after ChatGPT, pushing yet another ChatGPT is probably one of the reasons the researchers got fed up.

In my opinion. Best outcome for everyone involved.
Is Microsoft compensation for top AI talent also bad?
It was a negotiation.

Did they have power... Ofc they did. Otherwise... Why were they negotiating?

Its not about who had more power. They just couldn't find enough common ground.

Now Satya bagged talent. They don't have to rewrite the whole codebase due to IP msft has already secured.

I think those talks were real. You don't build something that long and then want to walk away unless huge differences came up. That's what we say.

(edit: rewritten after the comment I responded to added a game changing comment at the top)
PR? I mean... That's just not how I would describe what happened.

It was a PR nightmare. They tried to keep the family together. Divorces happen. Satya brought the kids on so they can get a new sandbox going asap.

Don't believe Twitter? Now there...we agree. I'll add... Don't belive hackernews either.

Most of the reporting I saw was pretty good. It just didn't pan out. They reported the board was optimistic. Not that it was a sure thing.

(edit: full comment rewrite due to edit by the commentor which completely changed the context)
Interesting, curious what you mean by push model?

Ex: Outbound - Interactive chat sessions trigger outside push update, such as to a database for data to index, new findings & enrichments, etc

Ex: Inbound - API calls trigger internal runs... which in turn can also trigger external workflows

We're experimenting with APIs for embedding in your own apps, headless APIs for automations, and all sorts of integrations. Getting security and modular/compositional interfaces right has been a fascinating challenge!
This is a good point. I hadn't noticed Microsoft's share price dropping 20% on the initial announcement.
Satya saves the stock price in time for Monday. Genius.
It seems that Microsoft is the big winner in this story, well played.
> No investor wants these loose cannons in charge of their investments.

The board just proved to stay on the companys core values.
Additional info from a Linked-in follow-up comment by Satya:
"I’m super excited to have Sam join as CEO of this new group, setting a new pace for innovation. We’ve learned a lot over the years about how to give founders and innovators space to build independent identities and cultures within Microsoft, including GitHub, Mojang Studios, and LinkedIn, and I’m looking forward to having Sam and team do the same."
You might be missing the point. Those 900k$ are tied onto future company value that is based on success of its products in 2-3y horizon.
Without sam and his push for products the comp may not be there…
So all employees who signed up for a exponential growth will jump ship.
There might be a reason why the board doesn't consist of armchair experts on Hacker News.
“Sorry, we are reporting a write down of $10 billion due to potential misrepresentations of commercial intent that occurred in our OpenAI portfolio.”

Things you will never hear Satya Nadella say. Way more likely he will coordinate to unify as much of their workers as he can to continue on as a subsidiary, with the rest left to go work something out with other players crazy/desperate enough to trust them.
> C Doesn't Want to Fix It

Or: C knows that it doesn't need fixing.

How often do I need to `setenv()` anything? The answer is "Never" in the vast majority of programs, because ENVVRS are usually read rather than set, so this issue is nonexistent for them.

For the vast majority of the small amount of programs that actually need to use `setenv()`, the answer is: "Maybe once or twice during the entire lifetime of the process, and then only at the very start, probably even before running any threads", meaning this issue is nonexistent for them as well.

So, is there a potential issue with thread safetey? Yes. Does it matter given where and under what circumstances it occurs? Not really.

> such as Go's os.Setenv (Go issue)

Here is the link to the "issue":

https://github.com/golang/go/issues/63567

What kind of actual real life production code would continuously set envvars while simutaneously calling a function that tries to read the environment?

Yes, this is a footgun. But even the issues author acknowledges, in the issue thread:

Realistically: this is a pretty rare problem, and documenting
it is probably a fine solution. This is probably going to cost
someone else a couple of days of debugging every couple of
years

> It has wasted thousands of hours of people's time, either debugging the problems, or debating what to do about it.

Source?
I didn't know one can be "CEO" of some group within a company.
OpenBSD: OpenIKED 7.3 Released
The game studios under Xbox run quite independently with the most extreme example being Mojang with Minecraft which still releases all their games on Playstation/Nintendo consoles too. But the other studios are also very independent based on all the interviews (though they don't in general release their games on Playstation or Switch)

As I understand Github is also run very independently from Microsoft in general.
Yeah that makes sense. Work your whole life building a company worth billions of dollars so that you can burn down the world and live in a bunker eating canned beans until the roving bands of marauders flush you out and burn you alive. I'm sure that was their greedy plan to enjoy eating canned beans in peace!
yeah, Elon Musk invested tons of money to start openai as non-profit to make sure this openai thing is for all, not for couple of people to shine themself.
He's selling utopia but you're buying dystopia.
I didn't believe that OpenAI was being honest in their mission statement before - I thought it was just the typical bay area "we want to make the world a better place" bs.

This entire situation changed my mind radically and now I put the non-profit part in my personal top 3 dream jobs :)
> nonprofit

Yep, they will know become a real non profit.
Sure, but I think that the industry profiting from gambling addiction is one of the roots. Maybe even the most important one.

The US seems to have tightly regulated gambling of this sort until recently, and it seems to have worked reasonably well. It's a contrast to the UK, where bookmakers have been poverty marker alongside the usual liquor stores and payday lenders for a hundred years.