skysight-inc/HackerNews huggingface dataset:
How do you know that the bouncers scanning machine didn’t log the interaction?

The whole value prop is built on not trusting that bouncer and by extension their hardware.

Everything would have to be encrypted leading to the bouncer also needing to establish that this opaque identifier actually belongs to you. This is where some picture or biometric comes into play and since the bouncer cannot evaluate it with their own wetware you are surrendering more data to a device you cannot trust.

They also cannot trust your device. So, I don’t see a scenario where you can prove ownership of the ID to a person without their device convincing them of it.
This may be true, but we have no idea until these companies open up their algorithms for scrutiny.

The ability to press a button and cause social, political and economic chaos around the world is too much power to entrust to anybody.
Typically when you see the type 2 engineer, they are also an architect. It is very rare that they don't seem to have knowledge of nearly the entire system and all its interactions.
I doubt this was a surprise to them, I’m sure Sam was well aware of the concerns and repeatedly ignored them, and even doubled down. Putting OpenAI’s mission in jeopardy.

Many politically aligned folks will leave, and OAI will go back and focus on mission.

New company will emerge and focus on profits.

Overall probably good for everyone.
Could be.

Or it could be about the alignment problem. Are they designing AI to prioritise humanity’s interests, or its corporate masters’ interests? One way is better for humanity, the other brings in more cash.
If you drop a note to the mods at hn@ycombinator.com with your suggestion and reasoning, they may well accept it.
The NASA of that time has been long gone for decades
Elon Musk Threatens 'Thermonuclear' Lawsuit over Reports of Antisemitic Content
IDK none of us are privy to any details of festering tensions or if there was a "last straw" scenario that if it was explained it would make sense. Something during that dev day really pissed some people off that's for sure.

Given what the picture looks like today though that's my guess, firing Altman is an extreme scenario! Lots of CEOs have tensions with their boards over various issues otherwise the board is pointless!
I feel like trust is a spectrum, and the promise of these techniques is that they reduce the need for trust in the first place.

We should consider what kinds of computational tasks today’s responsible parties (or their regulators, or their insurers) think of as too risky to casually trust to third parties under the status quo. For example with my block storage provably unintelligible if you don’t have the HSM I keep safely in my corporate dungeon, I’m comfortable not caring whose racks the encrypted blocks sit on. I’d have to vet those vendors a lot harder if they could read all my super secret diaries or whatever.

And, for that matter, it’s on the service provider side too, right? Even the contractual, spit-and-handshake pinky-swear-based mode of enforcement comes with significant compliance costs for service providers, especially ones operating in regulated industries. Perhaps it’s not too much to hope that effective and efficient HME techniques might reduce those service providers’ compliance costs, and lower the barrier to entry for new competitors.

I’m reminded how even non-tech people in my life became much more willing to trust their credit card details to online retailers once they felt like a little green lock icon made it “safe”. Of course a LOT changed over that same period, but still: the underlying contractual boundaries didn’t substantially change—in the US the customer, then as now, has only ever been responsible for a certain amount of fraud/theft loss—but people’s risk attitudes updated when the security context changed, and it opened up vast new efficiencies and lines of business.
Note that I said "many." And yes it is "transit" when you go from water to vapor.

I do like "funge." Let's go for it! I'd be gruntled.
Supporting Palestinians is nothing like the Tide pod challenge. Anyone who cares about human right should be extremely concerned about what Israel is doing right now.
The article does poke a little at that aspect:

> The bunker would need a lot of wood. He later insisted this came from fallen tree branches.
> I'm not sure why we need government incentives. If they were profitable on their own, the problem would solve itself.

Government incentives and regulations are why every home has indoor plumbing and electricity. Those, I think, are widely seen as a good.

But to this, these things can absolutely be profitable. However, landlords may not want to take on the initial purchase price for fear that none of their tenants will use it or for dumber ideological reasons. A modest charge over the utility price would be all that's needed to indefinitely maintain these chargers.
> It’s about the same as saying “kids just want to drink Tide pods nowadays.” There’s definitely something wrong with kids who do it

Supporting Palestinians is like drinking Tide pod? WOW, what an incredibly inhumane and racist take.
It is a broadcast queue. Consumers all receive the same data, so they don't contend to pop elements. And producers never wait for consumers. Slow consumers have to deal with missing packets.

At the end of the day, it is a specialised ring buffer that happens to be useful for many use cases.
> How important is Altman? How important were three senior scientists? Can they start their own company, raise funding, and overtake OpenAI in a few years?

The general opinion seems to be estimating this at far above 50% YES. I, personally would bet at 70% that this exactly what will happen. Unless some really damaging information becomes public about Altman, he will definitely have the strong reputation and credibility, definitely will be able to raise very significant funding, and the only expert in industry / research he definitely won’t be able to recruit would be Ilya Sutskever.
The problem is that, while young people have been more pro-Palestine for a long time, historically a much smaller percentage were immersing themselves for hours a day in increasingly sensationalist, often misleading pro-Palestinian content; there historically was far less of an incentive to produce or disseminate it. So we quickly go from “pro-Palestine” to “pro-Hamas” to “pro-Osama Bin Laden” to “holocaust denial”.

This isn’t exclusively a TikTok problem, or an Israel/Palestine problem, or a young people problem, or a left/right problem. Algorithmic suggestions are extremism generating machines.
And what about "stochastic parrot" ?
>I don't think being free for personal/non production limits the ecosystem at all

There are two aspects. The first one being that charging a nonzero amount decreases adoption, so fewer companies will publish modules and tools around it. The other is that people will generally not want to send pull requests adding features to something they have no stake in. If we take HashiCorp Packer or Ansible as an example, they have flourished as engineers send PRs extending the tools for their own purposes.

Another thought that comes to mind is: what if your company disappears one day? Can you make some assurances that the source will be relicensed to allow users to maintain it?

I wish your product great success. If it feels nice I may even end up getting a license in a future job myself. But I have stated my concern of missing out on all that the Ansible/Puppet community already provides.
39 if you count starship itself.
I don't think openAI is being the success it is right now just because of the technical side, but the ability to allow businesses and people to use it.
The problem isn't a lack of expiration, so much as it is relying on commercial middlemen.

Nationalize the real-estate and you create a monopsony for housing credits. Open up state-run distribution centres that accept the food vouchers, and only redeem them there.

The laundering/cashout concept relies on someone qualified to accept the credits and get real money back from the state. Stereotypically, this was a shady bodega or landlord who would fudge the books to claim they had enough sales to cover the vouchers they bought for 20% of face value. Going to direct fulfillment means they fall out of the loop: there's nobody[0] who can give you anything for the voucher except for a can of corn.

[0] Yes, someone might be willing to buy up vouchers if they wanted a LOT of cans of corn, but the logistics and difficulty of converting that to real cash means that it's not going to scale. It might surge during crisis events, where the cash price of a staple suddenly skyrocketed, but a voucher denominated in grams/litres/bushels held value.
How did Space Shuttle approach this problem?
It probably doesn't hurt that this is basically exactly what America did following the 9/11 attacks, which while certainly horrific, brutal, and warranted a response, launched us straight into an armed conflict that afflicted somewhere between 200 and 600 thousand deaths on a completely unrelated populace while plunging an entire middle eastern state into near total anarchy that it has yet to entirely recover from, and we did eventually get the man most responsible for the attacks... in Pakistan, years later, a country we did not invade, that is in fact, an ally.

Fighting terrorism is difficult. Encouraging it in foreign nations with boondoggling military action is easy. Far too often the west engages in the latter.

And I know hindsight 20/20 etc. but it isn't like the fact that going to war with another nation on shit intelligence was going to create metric assloads of anti-American and anti-Western sentiment and stoke further growth of terrorist groups was a fringe view at the time. Tons of people came out against Operation Iraqi Freedom and basically ALL of their predictions have come true.
Yeah and I have apnea, and it's treated well, so I don't suffer the same fatigue I used to get.

I will admit, I had some scary drive times where it's that feeling like you're half asleep and have to keep chugging caffeine. Then a minor panic attack because you're worried about dozing off so your heart kicks overtime even though your brain is tired (and lack of oxygen means it wasn't as strong either). I used to get so tired I would write random numbers spawning from my brain in this half sleep state instead of the numbers I was supposed to be writing sometimes it would veer into nonsense words. So I can understand why this is an issue, but...

Is it for people with untreated only? Is it just so insurance companies can charge people more for insurance even if you have a good record? I can see in a commercial driving situation the need for this, but this is a bit ridiculous.

When does the right to medical privacy veer into the right to engage in a public-facing danger and what level of risk justifies that? I imagine there's some studies cited in support to justify this (imo) overreach.
The rasterizer doesn't even do any rasterization. It just blends the already rasterized glyphs onto the screen.

Honestly it sounds like AI. This is a website in the shape/memory of a blogpost, not an actual blogpost.
I was just rambling here. and a bit negative and reproachful, accusing without any basis for my arguments whatsoever. ... sorry for that
Inflation serves the purpose. But more directly we also have various fractional reserve systems of money creation through debt.

Bank creates credit (money), often with timed terms of repayment

As you repay, that credit is gradually removed from the financial network.
In the past, many on HN complained that OpenAI had abandoned its public good mission and had morphed into a psuedo-private for-profit. If that was your feeling before, what do you think now? Are you relieved or excited? Are you the dog who caught the car?

At this point, on day 2, I am heartened that their mission was most important, even at the heart of the most important technology maybe ever or since nuclear power or writing or democracy. I'm heartened at the board's courage - certainly they could anticipate the blowback. This change could transform the outcome for humanity and the board's job was that stewardship, not Altman's career (many people in SV have lost their jobs), not OpenAI's sales numbers. They should be fine with the overwhelming volume of investment available to them.

Another way to look at it: How could this be wrong, given that their objective was not profit, and they can raise money easily with or without Altman?

On day 3 or day 30 or day 3,000, I'll of course come at it from a different outlook.
Israel is bombing and murdering thousands of Palestinians. That is why people are supporting them, not an algorithm "problem".
How efficient is it now? The last time I checked, FHE required minutes of computation and gigabytes of memory to store tiny amounts of data, and since it does not hold IND-CCA, I could not find any use cases.
How could any empathic person not be pro-5.2 million refugees?

Downvote me to death, I don't care, but have the courage to explain why you're downvoting.
An optimistic perspective of how despite today's regrettable events, Sama and gdb will start something new and more competition is a good thing :
https://x.com/DrJimFan/status/1725916938281627666?s=20

I have a contrarian prediction : Due to pressure from investors and a lawsuit against the openai board, the board will be made to resign and Sama & Greg will return to openai.

Anybody else agree ?
Do you have any data to back up that assertion? As a teenager of the 90s, we were not all that globally conscious.
Other than having a big mouth what has HE done? As far as I can find, the actual engineering and development was done NOT by him, while he was parading around telling people they shouldn't WFH, and schmoozing with government officials
Headline is false. The data shows virtually no change over the last 4 years and PREDICTS prices will fall 40% by 2030.
I don’t see this as a band-aid. It’s doing proper type checking (static analysis) and that seems quite promising?

Getting good type errors without requiring type annotations seems like a win over languages that are annotation-heavy. Normally I’d be skeptical about relying on type inference too much over explicit type declarations, but maybe it’s okay for this problem?

This is speculative, but I could see this becoming another win for the Go approach of putting off problems that aren’t urgent. Sort of like having third-party module systems for so many years, and then a really good one. Or like generics.
Imagine a multidimensional matrix with various payment methods, local regulations, cloud providers, third party dependencies, web/mobile platforms, etc. Then also add more dimensions for internal things like accounting, hiring, payroll, promotions, compliance, security, monitoring, etc. Then double it for Uber Eats or whatever.

There's a lot of overlap and some invalid combinations, but you're still left with a huge number of combinations where Uber must simply work. And every time you add a new thing to this list, the total number of combinations grows polynomially.

(Also, Go is slightly more verbose than most languages. I think that's a feature and not a bug, but it's one more reason.)
Between 2012 and 2013, poison control centers reported over 7,000 cases of young children eating laundry pods.

TikTok was released 2016.

So yes, any truth-pursuing individual would deny that. But the media wants to blame TikTok, and people like you are are happy to buy it.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consumption_of_Tide_Pods
Obviously by being thick skinned and competent enough to somehow survive in our very[0] sexist industry.

0: The horrid comments in this thread are provided as evidence A.
It’s 195 countries!
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That’s crazy. Somebody must have known. How do you even install such a rig without people noticing?
To sell a product. “Look at what our tool can produce.”
A primer, I guess =]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/alexkonrad/2023/11/17/these-are...
What sort of high level user facing feature could you build with this?
Let's look closer at the Ilya Sutskever vs Sam Altman tensions, and think of the product/profit as a cover.

Ilya Sutskever is a True Believer in LLMs being AGI, in that respect aligned with Geoff Hinton, his academic advisor at University of Toronto. Hinton has said "So by training something to be really good at predicting the next word, you’re actually forcing it to understand. Yes, it’s ‘autocomplete’—but you didn’t think through what it means to have a really good autocomplete"[1].

Meanwhile, Altman has decided that LLMs aren't the way.[2]

So Altman was pushing to turn the LLM into a for-profit product, to get what value it has, while the Sutskever-aligned faction thinks it is AGI, and want to keep it not-for-profit.

There's also some difference about whether or not AGI poses an "existential risk" or if the risks of current efforts at AI are along the lines of
algorithmic bias, socioeconomic inequality, mis/disinformation, and techno-solutionism.

1. https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2023/11/20/geoffrey-hinto...

2. https://www.thestreet.com/technology/openai-ceo-sam-altman-s...
How many days a week do you hang out with Sam and Greg and Ilya to know these things?
Why do teenagers care about this particular tragedy and not Syria or any of the horrors in Africa? Surely it can’t be the scale of killing since there are far worse civilian death tolls in conflicts around the world.
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https://www.sustainable-bus.com/news/issues-electric-buses-b...
People use Emacs for anything and everything, so by extension they write elisp for all kinds of things too. Any why not tbh? It's a general purpose language that's arguably no worse than python or ruby (subjectively more fun for me instead). Yes in specific cases like data science or web backend/frontend you should prefer something else, but everyday text processing, scripting is elisp's forte, so given that it's like a cross platform VM that's always there it makes a lot of sense to use it as general purpose tech to marry logic with ergonomic frontend inside Emacs.
Forcing the option to be presented is also a problem. People aren't running the software to manage the software, they are running the software to read a book or whatever.
Marginally more Google results, still lots of irrelevant resulats (of the kind "make your iPad kid-friendly etc), but not exactly many, and first time I've heard that term too.

It seems to be very new, and one article claiming it was coined on Tik Tok, which would explain why nobody I talk to uses it, though.
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One metric: lines of code.

The GNU Emacs I have for my Mac comes with a Lisp directory of 1.5 million non-empty lines of el code.

I would think that there are several other Lisp applications which easily have ten times as much Lisp code.
I don't think it's a strange criticism. As a reader, I shouldn't have to worry about the translator having some kind of weird resentment towards characters in the text.
Jeremy Howard (of fast.ai): https://x.com/jeremyphoward/status/1725712220955586899

He is not exactly an insider, but seems broadly aligned/sympathetic/well-connected with the Ilya/researchers faction, his tweet/perspective was a useful proxy into what that split may have felt like internally.
We all know it is because of the encodings. But as a test to see if it is a human or a computer it is a good one.
More supervision than leadership...
No because this is the very bleeding edge of technology so there are only very limited (but very cool) tech demos of the technology? Nothing at scale yet.

https://spiralwiki.com/
Probably because their president isn't on tv endorsing those horrors, funding them with their tax dollars and in general having their mainstream media champion them.
>strong penalties

Sounds like a great incentive to quit the job and hang out for the duration of the non-compete. If I can make more money by working than not working, I know what I'm doing.
Well, that's... like... your opinion, man. But not supported by etymology.

"Quest" and "question" are also not a valid comparison, because the two forms aren't even clearly the same word. For example, if someone goes on a quest through the jungle, you don't say "his question through the jungle was interrupted by a phone call from home." Or, "he questioned from one end of the jungle to the other."
I know the dysfunction and ego battles that happen at nonprofits when they outgrow the board.

Haven't seen it -not- happen yet, actually. Nonprofits start with $40K in the bank and a board of earnest people who want to help. Sometimes that $40K turns into $40M (or $400M) and people get wacky.

As I said, "if."
Pretty poorly, Soyuz has 4 fatalities (Soyuz 1, Soyuz 11) during it's over 140 flights, Crew Dragon has none.
https://www.phoronix.com/news/GTK5-Might-Drop-X11 "Red Hat's Matthias Clasen opened an issue on GTK entitled "Consider dropping the X11 backend"" https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gtk/-/issues/5004
I second the recommendation for "On Writing Well." I read this many years ago, and the book had a strong positive influence on my writing (serving me very well when later doing editorial work, writing articles, and writing summaries, emails, and reports week-to-week).

George Orwell's "Politics and the English Language" essay is a short essay that shares many of the pieces of advice [1]. The main principle that I've taken from both is that you will be more effective at getting your points across to the reader, if you optimize your writing for ease of comprehension, instead of attempting to sound sophisticated with unnecessarily fancy words. This is especially helpful in work environments, where getting your points across clearly can save yourself from delays due to confusion.

I would also strongly recommend reading good writing often. Becoming a regular reader of a well-written newspaper or magazine is great for learning new ways to write down observations or advance a point of argumentation, and I've also personally found it enjoyable to have a broader awareness of what's going on in the world.

[1] https://www.orwellfoundation.com/the-orwell-foundation/orwel...
"Another decade" may be optimistic. Money is so core to many people's identity and sense of purpose that they block themselves off from considering any change to the familiar status quo, even when they're able to recognize the problem that needs solved. This might be one of those times where the older generation needs to die off, and its ideology with it, before new ideas can begin to flourish.
I also recommend the Financial Times. It's not perfect and definitely still has its own viewpoint, but the quality and matter-of-factness of the articles is miles beyond the omnipresent biases of the NYT, WSJ, and most other papers I've read. The business news is also (as you'd expect) excellent.
I don’t think that’s what the parent poster meant at all. They are comparing the people who complain about tide pods to the people who complain about kids seeing pro-Palestinian content on TikTok.
> The next day, Brockman, who was Chairman of the OpenAI board, was not invited to this board meeting, where Altman was fired.

> Around 30 minutes later, Brockman was informed by Sutskever that he was being removed from his board role but could remain at the company, and that Altman had been fired (Brockman declined, and resigned his role later on Friday).

The board firing the CEO is not a coup. The board firing the CEO behind the chair's back and then removing the chair is a coup.