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Steve Jobs is actually a great example: He was, sucessfully at each time, replaced twice, once aftwr he almost ran Apple into the ground and then after his death. In fact, he shoes how to build an org that explicitly does not depend on war star player.
4 minutes after that comment, Satya said Sam and some his people are joining Microsoft!

https://twitter.com/satyanadella/status/1726509045803336122
> Again, same market pressure, a useful actually used feature will never be removed because people will not buy the device.

When all devices are the same, you have no choice.
I live in a village on Dartmoor, UK, complete with a pub dating back to the 12th century. But the village shop has disappeared, the internet and even the water connection seem increasingly fragile. On the other hand, working from home in my own office with a view across the valley, and working on our woodland are great for body and soul. Also, there are enough children around that our kids don’t feel isolated - at the same time we’ve never worried about traffic when they go off on their explorations.
But Satya is making a few 100 mil a year, tops. Sam could easily make himself a billionaire with one raise. And who wants to control all of Microsoft, that's a whole lot of headaches
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But not back to OpenAI.
The only time you'd ever want to do this is for image and video formats. And HTML has built in support for this in the picture and video tags. Otherwise this sounds nonsensical.

What kind of situation would you ever have a request like "Uh I want json the most but XML could work". Either the backend serves it in a format or not, just directly request what you want.
I think people underestimate how much of a company’s value is in their key leadership, select talent, and technology. When a company is acquired those are typically the reasons to do so other than pure revenue acquisition. Microsoft already has their technology, now has the key leadership, and will soon have the select talent.

Satya wins, OpenAI is walking dead.
Why jockey for a board seat when you can harbor the org
Microsoft's deal with OpenAI grants Microsoft access to OpenAI's technology --- at least until AGI arrives
CEFR or not CERF, Duolingo is clearly designed to be addictive but not effective, because if it were effective people would stop using it.

Duolingo's goals are not the same as mine, and the best thing it does by far is to pretend (and make me believe) that I am learning a language.
And that could be a core problem. He wasn't really free to decide the speed of development. He wanted to change that and deliver faster. Obviously, they achieved something in the past weeks, so doomers pulled the plug to stop him.
I am confused why everyone is freaking out about some business person being let go from a tech shop.
in hindsight, you got the context pretty accurate i.e importance of microsoft in all of this
Nothing can guarantee that. Investors always accept risk.

He has a better chance than some other random guy who was not the CEO of OpenAI.
Haven't worked at Microsoft, but usually, when folks up high have their balls at stake, resources and budgets magically start getting approved faster than the Concorde.
Microsoft also doesn’t give many GPUs to internal researchers so this has a long way to run yet.

Wouldn’t surprise me if Sam and Greg are back on the startup path by week end.

This just seems like PR to give MS a way to paper things over after such an abrupt firing.
Does the Microsoft deal let Microsoft continue training from e.g. the GPT-4 weights?

I guess at least it gives them access to the OpenAI models to use internally, which they kinda need as their ways of working (Greg especially) will be highly dependent on having them now.
Hinton is overrated? That's quite a take.
Nadella was heavily involved in the talks to get Altman et al. back in OpenAI. This must have been brought up, so I’m guessing the OpenAI board made their decision knowing this would be the outcome?
Weights are not intellectual property.
This has been going on for months. Sam sidelined Ilya out of his job a month ago, after a long time of Ilya trying to convince him he was going down the wrong course.
That might have been true about a year ago, but I've been getting calls from well-spoken native-level scammers for about two months now. They are so frequent that I can put them on speaker during family gatherings to raise awareness.

Sample sizes of 1 are never representative but they definitely have full access to native speakers or tech that can generate very passable speech.
I suspected this. OpenAI was always going towards Microsoft and Sam was leading that charge. Who else but them to bankroll his next vision.

Great pickup by MSFT. The exodus is only beginning and MSFT will not have to buy OpenAI for the billions in valuation it was getting. East win.
I mean, try and compare for yourself. It is quite obviously miles ahead of everything else.

I want OpenAI to be absolutely crushed in the free market after this move. But it will take years for anyone to catch up with GPT-4, if even Anthropic is nowhere close.
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So Sam and Greg are going to invent some new thing out of thin air in a matter of days? Or will they attach themselves to something else, like I implied? Or take on millions of dollars of funding to "figure it out"?
This might turn out to be a lot more stable structure long term: the commercialization of AI under Microsoft's brand, with Microsoft's resources, and the deep research into advanced AI under OpenAI. This could shield the research division of OpenAI from undue pressure from the product side, in a way that it probably couldn't when everything was under one roof.
Incredible how much has changed in one weekend… or not?

Confused what this really means. So Microsoft still has access to OpenAI’s pre-AGI tech that Sam and Greg can leverage for their more product-focused visions.

More than that, it looks like Microsoft has become a major AI player (internal research) overnight up with the likes of Meta, Google, and OpenAI. Incredible.
It does except for the AGI. That was part of the multi-billion deal with Microsoft.
> Other than that, it can also be handy in k8s with a VPA. You get more/less memory and then update the env to reflect that. Your service picks up the env change and updates the runtime.

You… can't change the env from outside the process…

are you saying this is used by disjoint components within a single process? Or is this just a misunderstanding?
Except they only had AI model velocity and not product velocity. The user-side implementation of chatGPT is actually quite below what would be expected based on their AI superiority. So the parts that Sam & Greg should be responsible for are actually not great.
Sam joining MS was actually one of the theories I read in the initial, or one of the first, threads about his ouster. 10 billion dollar seems like a pretty steep recruiting cost, but MS knows what they are doing, right? Right?
Sit on them. Because it's inside a bag, or under a blanket.

Parent was talking that CDs are less tolerant of abusive handling.
What? If anything a startup founder (in general) wants to become a gigantic corporation. The bigger the better.
Everyone does this by putting /v1/ in the api url. It's massively more visible, gets logged properly, and isn't annoying to request from tools like curl.

The Accept header does nothing that URLs can not.
That he has an actual plan for the economy based on proven measures taken by other countries.
The things you are complaining about are a luxury to complain in Argentina.

For abortion he proposed a referendum, so that people decide, like Britain did with brexit.

Antivax, he was against the Russian vaccines that the government got through shady deals.

Climate denier I won’t deny it, but Argentina doesn’t really contribute to climate change like USA, China and India do, and honestly, it has more accruing issues right now to worry about.

You think 10% inflation a year increase is bad? Think about it being 10% a month. The country in en route for hyperinflation within months if drastic measures aren’t taken.
I don't know the full details, but their licence is clearly quite broad, as well as being exclusive and irrevocable.
I am fine with everyone moving on to Inter I have seen enough Neutraface for a lifetime by now.
Hopefully this motivates a lot of people who don't want Microsoft to be the AI company. Slowing down research would mean Microsoft wins everything.

MS now has both the accelerationists and the deccelerationists. They can keep accelerating themselves when pushing for regulatory capture through their deccelerationist branch to slow down any competition.
Sam Altman, Greg Brockman will be leading a new advanced AI team at Microsoft
Satya Nadela confirms that sama and team, presumably anyone who walked from OpenAI will be funded as part of a new advanced research team at Microsoft
Not unexpected, MS is betting everything on AI. On the other hand, MS is a corporation in which lions are lead by donkeys. We had windows phones that was excellent and in the right place and then couple of product managers fucked it up. We have windows that is becoming even better underneath and then you have people that thought Cortana and Bing search in the bar were good ideas.

So Ilya can be safe that whatever potential nuclear capabilities they give sama, the Microsoft quagmire will not let them fully develop.
> I presume this Mira person wasn't totally freelancing

She was the interim CEO; it seems that it was her and some of the rest of the executive team, not the board, that wanted Sam to come back. The board apparently was working on finding a new interim CEO to replace Mira that wasn't in Sam's camp more than it was trying to bring Sam back.
Welcome to the TikTok generation. The current video was just about to end and now we are at the climax of the next video.
This isn't even remotely confusing now.

This move makes it exactly clear what was going on. Microsoft is doing to AI what they tried to do to Internet browsers back in the day. I wonder if they'd have been successful if they'd managed to buy the board of Netscape.

I suspect it's rather possible that there will be an ungodly-massive lawsuit in the offing.
The business person is a SV darling. And previously the President of YCombinator.
You clearly haven't tried GPT-4 if you think people are lying about how much better it is.
But if the board seems to be doing everything they can to make sure that longterm OpenAI wouldn’t be able to execute anything in their charter in a meaningful way (assuming they end up being left behind technologically and not that relevant) does it really make that much sense?
Presumably Sam and Greg now get to pick up where they left off and keep productizing GPT-4 since Microsoft has the IP and is hosting their own GPT-4 models on Azure, right?

The more interesting thing is whether or not they'll be able to build and release something equivalent to GPT-5, using Microsoft's immense resources, before OpenAI is able to.
He wasn't the guy who built it, he was the guy who got things funded. Let's see how many of the core OpenAI people join. I.e. the ones that weren't (just) there for the money / post ChatGPT.
Microsoft Hires Former OpenAI CEO Sam Altman
So I’m guessing you have never heard of AWS then…
You could both say that this gives Sam less power over OpenAI, and more.
I laughed, but actually I think the utility of tree rebalancing is widely appreciated!
Presumably they’ll both get their C-level positions out of the gate (for that AI entity MS is setting up specially for this) so not just “mere” employees.

But, yeah, kind of confusing, especially for Altman.

He was the kind of guy on the way to become worth $100 billion and more, with enough luck, meaning to be the next Musk or Zuckerberg of AI, but if he chooses to remain inside a behemoth like MS the “most” that he can aspire to is a few hundred millions, maybe a billion or two at the most, but nothing more than that.
Twenty years ago I asked about the “Doomsday project” in a history newsgroup and was ridiculed, probably lightly, but I didn’t dare post for a year.

I try to be kind online.
According to current nuclear doctrine, no, they won’t wait. The current doctrine is called Launch On Warning which means you retaliate immediately after receiving the first indications of incoming missiles.

This is incredibly dumb, which is why those of us who study the intersection of AI and global strategic stability are advocating a change to a different doctrine called Decide Under Attack.

Decide Under Attack has been shown by game theory to have equally strong deterrence as Launch On Warning, while also having a much much lower chance of accidental or terrorist-triggered war.

Here is the paper that introduced Decide Under Attack:

A Commonsense Policy for Avoiding a Disastrous Nuclear Decision, Admiral James A Winnefeld, Jr.

https://carnegieendowment.org/2019/09/10/commonsense-policy-...
Precisely this! There's no need to code the same information twice; it just means you have to think more about what the graph shows.
I guess he'll make the consumer hardware product he's been developing with Jony Ive, and also spin up the chip company he was working on anyway.
More like this is a PR stunt and Sam will launch a startup once the furore dies down
A poorly planned poorly executing of a CEO with such a high profile and so important to investors that the CEO of Microsoft is surprised, angry, and negotiating his return… is the kind of absolute chaos that I would like to avoid. I would definitely consider quitting in that circumstance.

I would think to myself, what if management ever had a small disagreement with me?

I quit a line cook job once in a very similar circumstance scaled down to a small restaurant. The inexperienced owners were making chaotic decisions and fired the chef and I quit the same day, not out of any kind of particular loyalty or anger, I just declined the chaos of the situation. Quitting before the chaos hurt me or my reputation by getting mixed up in it… to move on to other things.
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As you noted, there are a lot of similarities between parallel programming and distributed computing.

The coordination of shared resources is the key problem in both fields. Distributed computing is more complex since you're adding in the concept of communication which may be unreliable.
I mentioned apt, pip etc because Sentry, Elastic and everything is built by integrating hundreds of packages. Nobody builds 100% of the code they ship to users and customers. These non-open source licenses make things like pip impossible to exist. This is why people and organizations familiar with Open Source react so vehemently against them.

Re: GPL, the license is 30 years old, it (used to be) well understood and has an extensive FAQ. It has 2 main flaws: it's unappealing to SilVal VCs and ostracized by big tech. And it's promoted with one single-minded organization. Both things made it unpopular in the past 10 years and it became suddenly obscure.

Re: shareware/shared source code owned by a single corporation. History shows that the possibility to fix bugs locally is only a theory. None of the projects using that license scheme still does or exists. Think Eucalyptus, read their conflict with NASA and how that led to OpenStack. At best, you will have to maintain your fork.

The proper place to find ways leading to a sustainable business is not creating new licenses but iteration on business practices.
This confirms that Sam and Greg don't belong as heads of a non-profit who's sole objective is to develop AGI for the benefit of all of humanity. Because if your Plan B is to join Microsoft, whose mission is to make profit for shareholders, then your heart wasn't really in it, as that won't achieve your original goal.
There's an infinite difference between turning your startup into a giant corporation and getting a job at one.
Can’t beat em so join em? You’re framing this as a capitalist competition. Non-profits don’t care if their “competitors” win market share.
It is! Thanks!

I see there's also a 2022 remake, uh.
You know that under Tatcher poverty went up, right?
Obviously and that is true literally every time someone uses that sentence. And speaking about obfuscation:

> But here, whether the “side effects” are “detrimental” depends on how much you value individual freedom, which is part of the debate.

And how much you value human rights. And how much you value people not being tortured for this. The way muslim countries do it rely on systematic excessive cruelty and control in many private aspects of life.

Since we are at "we need to spell it out" maybe we should not hide behind soft euphemism like "valuing individual freedom" which suggest something much softer.
Altman pulling an Elop
What Sam is going to bring to MS? Recruits? MS already has all the money and infra they need.
And then they get to say one of the most depressing sentences in an engineer's lexicon: "It's almost like we're a startup within a big company!"
Anyone who works with text generation will tell you that GPT-4 is far, far beyond anything anyone else has put out for general purpose text gen. The benchmarks don’t really tell you the whole picture. It’s impossible to prompt other models for anything as complex as what GPT-4 can do, both semantically and stylistically.
I bet MS probably bankrolls a subsidiary or lightweight spinoff for AGI if they are under MS, they can keep the original research and code.
You'd think so, but...

- a lot of people (especially those who have owned their homes since the 70s or 80s) probably don't want to rebuild or have a year of construction in their yards as they approach retirement

- if everyone turns their single home into 2-4plexes, the supply will meet demand and prices will plummet massively, especially in the outer suburbs like Maple Ridge, Langley, or Tsawwassen that would otherwise be less desirable. Classic game theory.

- transit hasn't matched growth and big parts of the region are underserved. Surrey, the largest suburb and soon to have more population than the City of Vancouver, has 4 stations on the SkyTrain system. Vancouver has 20. Burnaby, the next suburb (yet less than half the population of Surrey), has 11.

- Both Uber and transit have some issues, like the requirement for commercial drivers licenses to drive for Uber/Lyft (an attempt to moderate the outrage from taxi drivers) and perceived safety issues on transit (my own brother-in-law has been assaulted on the train)

It really is the perfect storm of a city that is growing way faster than was ever envisioned; the opioid crisis (related but tangential from this discussion); external influence from "most livable" lists and expatriate investments; high immigration with no limit on where you settle (section 6 of the Charter) making most people go to Vancouver or Toronto; the geography of the area; and the politics of the region being one of the few places in the country where the 3 largest parties all have a chance in many ridings (meaning more promises and concessions made.)
Your comment got me thinking, it's not just all the current access to all the data, weights, and infrastructure they had at OpenAI, it's also everything that will come out of OpenAI in the future.

Remember, Microsoft has an exclusive license to all models that come out of OpenAI until they reach the pre-agreed income threshold, which given the current trajectory of OpenAI, will not happen anytime soon.
So Sam & Greg can stay focus on their work rather than getting distracted by all the lawsuits. It isn’t a bad thing. Just not sure how they can get they want under the corporate culture?
Exactly, he could just launch a new company, most of the current OpenAI staff would follow him.
Unfortunately (or fortunately?), you always have to answer to somebody. In this board's case, they have to answer to investors, Microsoft in particular. Why? Because Microsoft can pull the money (apparently they only sent a fraction of $10Bn so far) and can sabotage the partnership deal. The OpenAI won't meet the payroll and won't be able to run the GPU farm. Microsoft already threatened to do exactly that.

My suspicion is that Microsoft will do exactly that: they will pull the money, sabotage the partnership deal and focus on rebuilding GPT in-house (with some of the key OpenAI people hired away). They will do this gradually, on their own timetable, so that it does not disrupt the GPT Azure access to their own customers.

I doubt that there could be a replacement for the Microsoft deal, because who would want to go through this again? OpenAI might be able to raise a billion or two from the hard core AI Safety enthusiasts, but they won't be able to raise $10s of Billions needed to run the next cycle of scaling.
I can think of using libraries, that get their config through environment variables. So you start your program, modify environment, and then start up the rest.
Exactly. WarGames is very similar to a true incident that occurred in 1979, four years before the release of the film.

https://blog.ucsusa.org/david-wright/nuclear-false-alarm-950...

In this case, it turns out that a technician mistakenly inserted into a NORAD computer a training tape that simulated a large Soviet attack on the United States. Because of the design of the warning system, that information was sent out widely through the U.S. nuclear command network.
When I was in college umpty-foo years ago, I worked part-time at a timesharing firm that had 300 baud acoustic couplers and used APL.

Years later, I worked around the corner from the USRobotics factory in Skokie, IL, where they made PalmPilots and Courier modems. Good times!
In California the anti-compete clauses are not enforceable, afaik
How do you conduct research with sales people? even if they manage to bring in researchers from OpenAI, the only gain here is microsoft getting some of the researchers behind the products and/or product developers.
It will be an applied research group obviously to develop products based on AI
What makes you think it wouldn't change after Sam and Greg join the team? AFAIK the reason Microsoft scaled down their research division (including GPUs) was because they were no where close to OpenAI despite years of investment.
This is sorta brilliant.

Microsoft has access to almost everything OpenAI does. And now Altman and Brockman will have that access too.

Meanwhile, I imagine their tenure at MSFT will be short-lived, because hot-shot startup folks don’t really want to work there.

They can stabilize, use OpenAI’s data and models for free, use Microsoft’s GPUs at cost, and start a new company shortly, of which Microsoft will own some large share.

Altman doesn’t need Microsoft’s money - but Microsoft has direct access to OpenAI, which is currently priceless.
Over time, the new team at Microsoft will slowly drain the OpenAI talent as MS will provider fewer and fewer resources to OAI and prioritize their own team they have full ownership owner. OAI will die a slow death due to the talent and resource drain.
In a year or two, Sam and Greg will end up with the same people at MS that are now still at OAI. Okay, perhaps minus Sutskever.
They're likely going to be the ones who manage the OpenAI relationship...what better way to fuck the people who fucked them than by becoming the ones who literally control the resources that they need?
Researchers can not be 'AI visionaries', almost by definition, as you focus on depth instead of breadth as a competent researcher.

Someone like Sam Altman is indeed more of a visionary than every hardcore AI researcher. The job here is to not push the boundaries of science, it is to figure out and predict the cascading effects of a new invention.
non-competes are extremely hard to enforce in California. Sam would literally have to download Open AI trade secrets into a USB drive to get in trouble.
So Microsoft gets co-founders and employees too. This is a great win for them!!