skysight-inc/HackerNews huggingface dataset:
> it's not going to get "smarter" and it'll always lack true subjective understanding

What is your basis for those claims? Especially the first one; I would think it's obvious that it will get smarter; the only questions are how much and how quickly. As far as subjective understanding, we're getting into the nature of consciousness territory, but if it can perform the same tasks, it doesn't really impact the value.
Makes me wonder whether to keep building upon OpenAI? Given that they have an API and it takes effort to build on that vs. something else. I am small fry but maybe other people are wondering the same? Can they give reassurances about their products going into the future?
Isn't that tech only one deal with MSFT away?
You have explained this much more concisely than me.
"Any necessary statements can be made through channels"

you have to admin though, she made a highly controversial decision, and instead of confronting it and saying something through her own channel, she changed the name of the channel and made it private. And we're supposed to assume this is because men (specifically) are mean. Respectfully, feels like a bad take.
What if - hear me out - what if the firing is the doing of an AGI? Maybe OpenAI succeeded and now the AI is calling the shots (figuratively, though eventually maybe literally too).
TBH Sentry versions starting from 10 is kinda messy from infrastructure perspective. Sometimes it looks like artificially crafted to be complex to install and operate as a single node to serve like max 100k events/day.
Methane decays into.... Co2 and water vapour. Both have further green house impacts.
I've been reading The Declassification Engine (https://app.thestorygraph.com/books/fb013174-5d21-4ddb-ba64-...), a history of secrecy in the US, and it talks a lot about the culture of avoiding accountability in the military. They refuse to allow civilian oversight of any kind if they can avoid it and have since WWII. I doubt failing an audit is causing many people to lose sleep.

It's a good book, if completely infuriating, and worth reading.
Microsoft won't be happy about this
We are just highschoolers who have gone through a few extra rounds of cell division, so I don't see how anyone is above gossiping.

But I agree that the true details are still buried. Greg & Sam's joint post only laid out how they were fired while refraining from saying why they were fired. Probably preparing for a legal battle if both sides are being vague on purpose.
they're on the what, 56th marvel movie?

novelty seems to be entirely about consumptive selection. humans crave familiarity.
Did the other links a shared in the comment above preform better? Seems kinda funny that the whole conversation is focused on sentence structure with no mention of the content of the article. It really doesn't seem that bad to me.
What's the use of a newborn baby?

AI is as real as the mobile/internet/pc revolution of the past.

So many use it obsessively every single day.
You've summed AI X-risk in a single sentence.

(I.e. an AGI would be one of the two people here.)
I paid the 20 dollar subscription. I don't even subscribe to netflix.
Musk does believe that freedom of speech means freedom from consequences. Look at his promise that anyone fired for posts on X will receive legal defense: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1688022163574439937

Though as far as I know, the only thing he's actually done since that promise is this: https://www.ft.com/content/9642f1a5-e1b4-41ec-86f3-30e6d02e5... which definitely isn't what people expected him to defend.
I would appreciate another example where a major new communications technology peaks in its implementation within the first year after it is introduced to the market.
It doesn’t feel the same since there are a handful of players in the space. I see your point though.
Artificial Intelligence vs. Real Ecology
The website response time seems to have peaked during the OpenAI drama last night: https://hackernews.onlineornot.com/
This was before my time but my understanding was he would teach people things and then get upset for “leaking” his materials if they talked about them externally.
Why not use some better and entirely open solution, like pass?

https://www.passwordstore.org/

As a user of pass for like 4 years, I enjoy reading all those silly threads on password managers doing this and that. Fantastic. And it’s not even an upgrade to use the GUI app here, I can take any often used password of mine with pure Ctrl + R in my terminal, just a second and it’s here, with no need to do extra backups, all the history is in git, and no party will ever change anything about my passwords.
I have used both, and vastly prefer Google Meet. I prefer something that works in Firefox.
IWYU: A tool for use with Clang to analyze includes in C and C++ source files
Don't worry, Nintendo is also trying to shut down websites sharing 40 year old games, there's never been any limit for them.
this being bait and switched actual scientists implementing the thing under the guise of non-profit?
Yeah, it is pretty straightforward to set it up in about 30-45 minutes. I have a cookbook I've been building since 2004, and I keep it updated. Maybe one day I'll publish it, but mostly, it is for me.

> how about controlling who has access to servers

It depends on where you want to control access to and how. If you are talking about SSH, you can bind accounts to a GitHub team with about 20 lines of bash deployed to all the servers. Actually, I have a daemonset that keeps it updated.

Thus only people in my org, on a specific team, can access a server. If I kick them out of the team, they lose access to the servers.

I have something similar for k8s, but it is a bit more complicated and took quite a bit of time to get right.

> tamper protected activity logs?

sudo chattr +au /path/to/file

will force Linux to only allow a file to written to and read, but only in append mode and deletions are actually soft-deletes (assuming you are using a supported filesystem). Things like shell history files, logs, etc. make a ton of sense to be set that way. There are probably a couple of edge cases I'm forgetting, but that will get you at least 80% there.
people can have multiple overlapping reasons for things, it doesn't have to be they are on "sam's side" or the "board's side" or whatever. you can agree w/ a firing and for whatever reason disagree w/ the way it was done or future direction of a company, etc. all just guessing anyway.
If you're an OpenAI engineer, now would be a good time to ask for a raise.
You must not use AI if you think this. AI is not the bubble. Everything AI will replace is the bubble.
PaperRound – A News Summarisation Application
Show HN: Detoxer – Neutralize Addictive Content Without Blocking
I've been trying to minimize my compulsive browsing of social media for a while, and tried a bunch of extensions and apps to block websites and such, but always ended up disabling them even if they were supposed to be "hard to disable".

The fact is that sometimes you need to visit reddit for some info, but you don't want to get caught in an addictive loop. Disabling entire hostnames or trying to configure intricate block lists is annoying, and the end result is annoying. Parental controls don't work on me, and I resent them.

I remembered what Tristan Harris once said on ways to prevent compulsive browsing: "turn your phone grayscale and disable notifications". I think that's a perfect solution, because it doesn't destroy your browsing experience, but subtly neutralizes some addictive aspects of social media.

So, I made an extension with exactly this kind of philosophy - "neutralize, don't block". It's called Detoxer and is available for Firefox and Chrome:

- Firefox: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/detoxer/

- Chrome: https://chromewebstore.google.com/u/1/detail/detoxer/deajadijkgojokomggpflpibgoamepgi?hl=en-GB

It'd be cool if you guys could try it out and provide some feedback. If there are other subtle content changes that can be made I'd love to experiment with them, and this might help someone. If this extension is useful, I'm considering also making a mobile app.

Thanks!
It's a regional thing. Common in Britain, but sounds strange to Americans, and looks even stranger in writing.

Not sure about other parts of the anglosphere.
> I bought my teenage daughter a lockpicking set for Christmas... guess what happened next

I'm surprised you didn't see that one coming. There's an old saying: "give a small boy a hammer and he will discover everything needs pounding". Lockpicks are the same: "give a teen a lockpick, and they will discover every lock needs picking".
I am wondering the same. It’s a PR desaster to their dev community and i’m not even sure if Sutskever isn’t secretly happy about this.
I thought GPTs were underwhelming but that's hardly worth such a dramatic purge. The rift was definitely something far deeper
Even if their case is 100% solid, they wouldn't have said it publically. Unless they hated Sam for doing something, so it's not just direction of the company or something like that. It's something bigger.
And why not pass?

More on that in this comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38316704
Yes, a bubble is a mismatch between price and value. Saying value > 0 is not disproving a bubble.
"This is good for bitcoin."
You are surprisingly accurate.

I used combination of Common Lisp (SBCL), ANSI C and assembly (not much assembly, though, only very small pieces that I had trouble emitting other ways).

The main application was in Lisp, it would start up and set up the environment (using some low level code written in C/assembly).

But everything on the path of the market signal to order would be highly optimised native machine code, but some of that code would be written in C and some of it would be compiled at runtime with Lisp.

Parsing the incoming multicast feed from the exchange was implemented with Lisp emitting super efficient machine code (almost no function calls) based on a bunch of XML files describing the messages. I shamelessly stole the idea from the book Practical Common Lisp (really good if you want to get into Lisp).

Things like business rules would be compiled into decision trees using current market situation and decision trees would be reorganised, optimised and compiled into machine code and inserted into the processing path. Most of the time a very large decision tree with hundreds of complex decisions (for example, taking into account market volatility) could be distilled to just couple branching instructions. This decision tree compilation would happen after every market signal, up to 10 thousand times a second (the exchange had a basic tick of 1/10000 of a second giving me guaranteed 100us before the next market signal).

Same with actual algorithms -- I wrote a small DSL for the traders and this DSL would be compiled with Lisp to machine an inserted into the processing path.

Some parts of the framework would be built with Lisp, too. It was easier for me to write a DSL and then compile it to machine than to write it in C.

If you want to understand one principle from all this is to look at all instructions and especially branches that you have between receiving the signal and emitting the order and try to figure out if you can eliminate it and if you can't, try to find ways to do it ahead of time even if doing it ahead of time requires a lot more effort.
Are you really saying the jump from a 3x rubiks cube to a 4x rubiks cube is comparable to the jump from chatgpt to the singularity?
sam seems to have a personality cult, reading these news responses.

id suspect exfiltrating tech to a more cultish and probusiness platform with a copilots.
Many here seem to have a strong urge to fill gaps in information with something.
Anecdotally, providing references for one organization seems to open doors for others.
Most Americans are oblivious to 'forever chemicals' and risks, research finds
It is a bubble if it is overvalued. I don't think it is, but nothing prevents something useful from being a bubble, if the valuation is extreme.
With VCs cat fighting in the queue and sama just sticking it to them with bootstrapping independently.

I don’t like this whole development one bit, actually. He lost his brakes and I’m sure he doesn’t see it this way at all.
If you ever want to go back to headphones, open-back headphones can avoid basically any issues with voice perception.
As both hint to "greater things" already on the horizon: maybe they were working on/for competitor on the sidelines and the board found out?
Many of those policies didn't follow any science. And a bunch of them not working well is likely due to conflicting talking points from various of the powers that be.

> some were practically useless mortality wise

If any of the advice decreased the rate of infection spread they were likely to decrease mortality through the simple effect of making work easier for health care workers.

Actual lockdowns worked for a long time in China, as well as travel lockdowns in countries such as Australia and New Zealand.

Masking works. Mandates don't work if huge chunks of the population don't follow them (i.e., if they aren't actually "mandates").

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8580811/

> Average COVID-19 mortality per million was 288.54 in countries without face mask policies and 48.40 in countries with face mask policies. In no mask countries, adjusted average daily increase was 0.1553 − 0.0017 X (days since the first case) log deaths per million, compared with 0.0900 − 0.0009 X (days since the first case) log deaths per million in the countries with a mandate. A total of 60 days into the pandemic, countries without face mask mandates had an average daily increase of 0.0533 deaths per million, compared with the average daily increase of 0.0360 deaths per million for countries with face mask mandates.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8287197/

> Twenty one articles were identified that analysed ecological data to assess the protective effect of policies mandating community mask wearing. All studies reported SARS-CoV-2 benefits in terms of reductions in either the incidence, hospitalization, or mortality, or a combination of these outcomes. Few studies assessed compliance to mask wearing policies or controlled for the possible influence of other preventive measures such as hand hygiene and physical distancing, and information about compliance to these policies was lacking.
I too like to burn alive in a vehicle that'll disintegrate at 100kph or above.
What's up with the lowercase I's? They'd have to intentionally edit to write i instead of I, because of autocorrect. Right?
What do you guys think about James Altucher? His writing is enjoyable:)
I've never heard these terms. You had either "western RPG" or "computer RPG" for technical/system-focused games like Ultima, Baldur's Gate, Diablo, Fallout, etc or "Japanese RPG" for story-focused games like Final Fantasy, Dragon's Quest, Terranigma, Star Ocean, etc.

RPG originally referred to the former, as they came first. JRPG was an offshoot of it, from Japanese developers influenced by the genre but putting their own spin on it. So there is no "take over"; just the offshoot fading.
I'm in disbelief at how much people pay for aws. At a startup the costs were close to $500 per dev account. Just to keeping a few lambda functions and dynamo tables.

Rolling a droplet, load balancer and database costs like $30.
Where? Reads UK english to me, I’ve never heard that in the US.

I googled and the internet seems to agree with me.

https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/8/is-it-appropri...
It needs a whole bunch binary bindings. It is not really supported since Ubuntu 18 or pretty much any other operating system.

If you look at the github repo and bug tracker you will see it's largely abandoned. (I have a Coral USB and you can get it running with an old operating system version).
Takeaway Sam, Greg and Ilya and who are the others even in the board. Doesn't inspire any confidence.
Nearly all of my need for passwords is web-related. Autofill is incredibly convenient and also an anti-phishing measure, because it won't autofill fake sites, which would give me time to notice something was up.

There doesn't seem to be major super popular audited autofill stuff, seems like the ecosystem is mostly smaller projects and the main focus is on the CLI.

The remainder of the times I need passwords are mostly on mobile.
i think this:
https://youtu.be/9iqn1HhFJ6c?si=0nBNl1R1Aw37oVUH
It's hard to imagine more closed. They have opened only "whisper" and old stuff. Neither is a problem from moral standpoint. Whisper 'helps people' and is very in line with the 'mission'. One thing they can do is end MS exclusivity. Google would like it. At the same time opening too much would mean giving access to 'unfriendly' governments.
It will never be ergonomic.. swiping left and right in that way is not how the body works

The whole product is full of bad decisions
More like the guy who engineered this situation is an asshole and they don't want to work for him.
Google and Microsoft are todays big winners.
Actually, the whole point of having a legally protected freedom is specifically to avoid some serious consequences (you don't have the freedom to "debate" anything if you're sued into bankruptcy after expressing your "opinion")

But you've shifted your response far enough from the court elephant in the room into the irrelevant "liked by others" territory that it may even be parsed as not a contradiction
I mean, let's not jump to conclusions. Everyone involved are formidable in their own right, except one or two independent board members Ilya was able to convince.
Even if OpenAI implodes it will hardly impact other LLM-focused startups. In fact it would probably be a boon for them as people search for GPT alternatives.

Sam & Greg could start a new AI company by Monday and instantly achieve unicorn valuation. Hardly a burst.
From what I've gathered from reading over the years, this is actually potent and a dangerous game for the participants. Specifically, it can lead to personal bonds that aren't actually warranted by any good reason. Some may assume that this is some unconditionally good thing. It isn't.
Globally, 10% of sales are EVs. For the European Union it's 12% and the United States 6%.

The EU has a lot of variance (Sweden 32%) and I assume the USA does too.

https://www.wri.org/insights/countries-adopting-electric-veh...

Average car age in the EU is 12 years.
We technically don't even know if she voted for the expulsion, and we probably never will. 3-to-1 would work.

As an active board member she has certain legal obligations at this moment. This is why the Try Guys dragged their feet on making public statements about Ned Fulmer's expulsion from the company, and when they did finally make a statement did so as a group and explicitly stated that they couldn't talk about certain things.
AI art is already boring. its all a fad, eventually the cracks start to show and you can't unsee those cracks. very similar to bitcoin. tbh.
Doesn't matter unless it lasts a lot longer than a day.
> Go and watch what any person outside of tech circles do with their computer. Office, Chrome, Spotify, Steam, Minecraft. That’s it.

This has always been the case.

What's new is how OS manufacturers are forcing profitable and restrictive paradigms upon users that will allow them to capture ~30% of every software sale and online payment ever made on any phone, tablet or computer.
OpenAI is no Apple.
Take it to the high council of grammar dictators. I'm not a native speaker and have never lived in an Anglo-country, I think you'll survive reading the comment
We don't know if these people left to follow Sam. There's so few details surrounding what the actual catalyst of the firing was and neither said are revealing the details.
"full access to everything" feels like a shot across the bow sending a very clear signal the new board should not attempt to limit access to rapid commercial exploitation of any research results emanating from OpenAI for whatever reason given, be it 'alignment', 'safety' or disproportionate exclusive leverage running afoul of OpenAI's original mission.
> Thankfully M$ didn't have control of the board

You never know. Remember Nokia?
> This was about stopping a runaway train before it flew off a cliff with all of us on board. Believe me, the board and I gave him tons of chances to self-correct. But his ego was out of control.

> Don't let the media hype fool you. Sam wasn't some genius visionary. He was a glory-hungry narcissist cutting every corner in some deluded quest to be the next Musk.

That does align with Ilya’s tweet about ego being in the way of great achievements.

And it does align with Sam’s statements on Lex’s podcast about his disagreements with Musk. He compared himself to Elon’s SpaceX being bullied by Elon’s childhood heroes. But he didn’t seem sad about it - just combative. Elon’s response to the NASA astronauts distrusting his company’s work was “They should come visit and see what we’re doing”. Sam’s reaction was very different. Like, “If he says bad things about us, I can say bad things about him too. It’s not my style. But maybe I will, one day”. Same sentiment as he is showing now (“if I go off the board can come after me for the value of my shares”).

All of that does paint a picture where it really isn’t about doing something necessary for humanity and future generations, and more about being considered great. The odd thing is that this should get you fired, especially in SF, of all places.
Microsoft not very much
Beyond safety critical applications the Dutch automated welfare-fraud detection system (SyRI) also jumps to mind.

Wrongful debt, convictions, children removed from their parents homes, and even suicides.
I'm obviously a terrible parent. My 10 year old gets unfiltered access to the Internet, with no technical restrictions, and she is responsible for moderating her time spent playing and browsing. She knows what is and isn't allowed and knows I have sorcerer-like powers to verify (viewing logs). We treat her like a human being with agency, we provide boundaries and guidance, and and don't rely on technical crutches and tools. She knows there are zero strikes. She 100% knows if she abuses this trust and responsibility, she'll be in a world of shit. She also knows that she needs to consciously strike a balance between fun time and school because we expect perfection at school. She gets anything besides straight A's in school, and the hammer comes down. Hasn't had to happen yet.
> Like clothes, carpets will also move in and out of fashion. With the introduction of easy-to-clean linoleum floors and shiny wooden panels in the 1980s, the decline of the carpet industry began. By the Nineties, the former competitors Templeton and Stoddard were sold to a Dutch company and outsourced, and by 2009 they were liquidated in the lost search for a new owner. Carpets were no longer symbols of a prosperous middle class but a declining symbol of an outdated past.

I personally prefer the cheap linoleum over expensive carpet or wood.
I can sweep it, vacuum it, mop it.
Why spend more money on wall to wall carpets?
You can get a small area rug or one of those standing mats where you need it.
The system was redesigned so that ASR would handle the transcription and the "understanding." It never worked correctly, many many people complained, some people showed counter designs and data driven forecasts of catastrophic loss across multiple major areas. Those people were fired, the data was faked, and here we are today, with a broken Alexa. That said, it can "listen" and "see" quite well.
Pachocki, Director of Research, just quit: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38316378

Real chance of an exodus, which will be an utter shame.
Speaking for my own n of 1, ChatGPT Pro has almost entirely (>90%) replaced the Google search engine in my daily life. The results from ChatGPT are just so much better and faster.

That's got to be worth something, since Alphabet is a $1.7T company mostly on the strength of ads associated with Google search.
He also brought Pachocki to capitol hill soon after.