skysight-inc/HackerNews huggingface dataset:
>suggests an individual who is pushing an agenda

Well, being wealth has been increasingly concentrated in fewer people and wealth has always been on the side of fossil fuels and climate denial, would that not illustrate a plausible narrative?

At the very least, those aforementioned people probably could have done something about these issues before any of us knew about them.
Seems like he liked anti sama stuff as well

https://x.com/moridinamael/status/1725893666663768321?s=46
The real winner in all this is once again Tim Cook, the only tech CEO to not constantly flail around dripping in flop sweat chasing the buzzword du jour.
A particular individual? Definitely not. Not everyone can be motivated by money.

But there's no way that a position cannot be filled with high-enough pay, provided the position isn't extremely unsafe or something like that. If you offer $1 billion per day for a job, someone will take it. This doesn't guarantee competency though, or that they'll come back the next day.
No, but they are also not obliged to accuse Sam of lying either. But here we are.

You think accusing someone of lying in a public statement and don't follow up is competent?
I think Adam D'Angelo has a very strong conflict of interest and shouldn't have been on the board of OpenAI.

I'm sure Quora views took a hit after ChatGPT. Not like Quora was any good before ChatGPT, they just managed to get to the top of Google results for a lot of common questions.

Now, Poe by Quora was trying to go big on custom agents. The GPT Agents announcement on DevDay was a fundamental threat to Poe in many ways.

I'm convinced that Adam D'Angelo probably had some influence on the other two board members too. He should've left the board of OpenAI the moment OpenAI and his own company were competing in the same space.
Indeed, I've watched some of those onboard videos of the model that the self driving software generates on the fly of the road around it and compared it to what is actually out there. The discrepancies are very noticeable and make you wonder what kind of quality control they have there. Bike is there. Bike disappears. A couple of seconds later bike suddenly re-appears, but much closer than before. You can't do proper trajectory planning if your environment representation isn't accurate.
I've been playing with llama-2, and I've been pleasantly surprised with its ability to process images. So you plan to offer image inputs on your fine tuning service?
Actually this is going to be great for Microsoft.

By cutting its other revenue streams OpenAI has lost all of its leverage.

So now will shrink to being effectively an external dev team for Bing / Windows.
> the new interim CEO is reportedly in talks to hire him back?

Literally nobody unbiased is reporting this. This reporting is _all_ coming from 'their side.' You are inside the smoke and mirrors if you can't see that.
Unvetted, probably, sure, but culturally similar.
Starting point of the article appears to be that this gut feeling you mention, that there is very little outright fraud, is not completely right. It appears to me that he claims that there is more outright fraud than we believe.
Stablecoins and L2 chains have the problem of being unregulated and usually centralized, though. At least L1 chains are fairly transparent and usually Open Source; sending your money over an L2 bridge is a game of trust. Stablecoins struggle in much the same way to lower volatility.
How is this company structured?! Founders with no stake or control, rogue board members and Microsoft somehow in the mix.
Why? Now they'll just start their own company that is 100% for profit and OpenAI may eventually fade into nothingness as money chases the new venture, possibly even Microsoft and employees flee. There's a rumor that Microsoft is already interested in funding Sam's new venture.
Work from home from my olive grove in the EU. With the current olive oil prices, it’s actually starting to be a blip in my income as well.
He's pointing out a motte/bailey meaning he's against the motte. If to him e/acc is the motte, then he's likely against
That makes a lot more sense in context:

> To truly understand the events of the past 48 hours—the shocking, sudden ousting of OpenAI’s CEO, Sam Altman, arguably the figurehead of the generative-AI revolution, followed by reports that the company is now in talks to bring him back—one must understand that OpenAI is not a technology company. At least, not like other epochal companies of the internet age, such as Meta, Google, and Microsoft.

The key piece here is "At least, not like other epochal companies of the internet age, such as Meta, Google, and Microsoft." - which then gets into the weird structure of OpenAI as a non-profit, which is indeed crucial to understanding what has happened over the weekend.

This is good writing. The claim that "OpenAI is not a technology company" in the opening paragraph of the story instantly grabs your attention and makes you ask why they would say that... a question which they then answer in the next few sentences.
> approach AGI safely

The only risk AGI poses to the average american is unemployment. If immigration/outsourcing is fine, i don't see anthing being done about this.
Bad news for you, their last CEO was too. Sam Altman signed a statement saying "Mitigating the risk of extinction from AI should be a global priority alongside other societal-scale risks such as pandemics and nuclear war." Looks like you're not on any of their team, but you do have crypto king Marc Andreessen.

https://twitter.com/robbensinger/status/1726039794197872939
I know it's small potatoes but those other CEOs have added hundreds of millions of dollars in ARR to their bottom lines on AI, in particular open ai. Microsoft doesn't think you're a real product line til a billion plus ARR but still, it's not nothing.
I still cannot process what’s happened to one of the most prominent and hyped companies of the past year in just one weekend.

If it’s true that Altman won’t return to OpenAI (or alternatively: that the current board won’t step down) then where does that leave OpenAI? Microsoft can’t be happy, as evidenced by reporting that Nadella was acting as mediator to bring him back. Does OpenAI survive this?

Will be super interesting when all the details come out regarding the board’s decision making. I’m especially curious how the (former) CEO of Twitch gets nominated as interim CEO.

Finally, if Altman goes his own way, it’s clear the fervent support he’s getting will lead to massive funding. Combined with the reporting that he’s trying to create his own AI chips with Middle East funding, Altman has big ambitions for being fully self reliant to own the stack completely.

No idea what the future holds for any of the players here. Reality truly is stranger than fiction.
> There seems to be too much celebrity worship around Altman from all the tech/crypto bros

I haven't seen anyone worship Altman.

I've seen many say the board made an incredibly dumb decision. Like Apple-firing-Jobs level dumb decision.

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Whether you think it's net good for OpenAI to be brought down a rung or two...you can still think it was bad for OpenAPI.
Courts take years.

This industry is changing far too fast for the legal calendar.

By the time the lawsuits are resolved, it will all be irrelevant.
Thanks for trying it and thanks for the feedback! Yes, right now you need to use headphones so it doesn't hear itself. Sometimes Whisper inexplicably fails to recognize speech promptly. It seems to depend on what you say, so try saying something else. I have improvements that I haven't had time to release yet that should improve the situation, and a lot more work is definitely needed, this is definitely MVP level stuff right now. This stuff is fixable but it'll take time.
Sometimes fantasy feels more real than reality itself…
Actually, from what I read he did not.
Really loathed the tech bros attitude that Cruise came off I.e. trying to rapidly expand while their cars were totally not ready for prime time and showing such often in San Francisco. Trying to win the market at all costs like Uber tried which their irresponsible trying to kill it (win the market at all coss) behavior killed a pedestrian. I was afraid Cruise's similar behavior (noted many times here on HN) would prompt something similar which it did but luckily and hopefully Cruise's victim makes a full recovery.

This is not technology to ever be created and or operated with those who are tech bro minded or following tech bro mantras(i.e. fake it til u make it)! Innocent people lives are put in danger if so as we've seen with Uber and now Cruise!
> when in practice do you want to do that?

Well as you're quite interested in APIs: the accept header is a fantastic way to version a REST API, and even has a built in way to handle clients that can talk to multiple versions of the same API.

Your app could request just 'application/vnd.foo.v1+json' from an API and if it's a centralised service that may be fine.

If the API your app talks to is something that's deployed to customers, or rolls out to regions incrementally or whatever, and thus can be at different versions, you need a way to handle that: the Accept header has you covered.
> It is just a matter of training data, but it is very difficult to have someone collect these large amounts of data and train on it.

It's really not that difficult, they are trained mostly on audiobooks and high quality audio from yt videos. If we talk about EV model then we are talking about around 500k hours of audio, but Tortoise-TTS is only around 50k from what I remember.
It looks like it exists on myabandomware.com [0]. I opened it in dosbox and it seemed to work.

[0] - https://www.myabandonware.com/game/detroit-1ln
So much judgement this weekend with so little information.
I'd have agreed with you if it was an extensive board with many experts, both technical and policy, without any strong conflict of interests.

But at this point, we have Ilya who clearly has strong difference of opinions with Sam, Adam D'Angelo, whose company Poe has a conflict of interest with the existance of for profit OpenAI and their GPT store/customizable agents, and two other board members.
It probably is a good thing, not because Ilya is going to safeguard humanity’s future, but because it’s better to have a very competitive field rather than one break away winner. No lone genius will invent AGI. It will be a collective effort of dozens of labs, trading talent and methods. If OpenAI is a few years ahead now, they will quickly lose that edge due to this infighting and others will catch up.
Looking at IntelliJ Ultimate, they do $599 for the first year, $479 for the second, $359 for the third and onwards. But then they have a "perpetual fallback license"... so I assume many people will buy just the first year and then keep that version forever.

For people who prefer perpetual licenses, is this because of a perceived lower total cost? Or for some other reason? Does the sentiment change depending on whether the buyer is purchasing for themselves or for their employer?

One downside of perpetual licenses is that at any given time, a large number of different versions will be in use across different users. Though maybe the users don't mind--perhaps they only want to upgrade their software whenever they change laptops.
I love that he called this out. In my experience, e/acc people love using this inane reasoning
It would make a lot of sense. Kyle knows the space, is already wealthy and has always been pretty altruistic.

And the fact that Emmett is only interim should give you a hint something is up.
There are investors including sequoia, Tiger Global and Microsoft[1]. They may well have standing to sue.

[1] Sorry - the full list is behind a paywall https://www.crunchbase.com/organization/openai/company_finan...
Wow, Nuts and Volts Magazine! I’m impressed they’re still around. When I was a teenager I won a subscription at a combat robotics event and it was my favorite thing to read every month. Highly recommend checking out their back issues for some good electronics projects!
the entire organisational structure of openAI was literally designed for exactly that. Like Mozilla, the for-profit arm of the company is legally subject to the non-profit.
when your neighbor that’s dumber than you is getting richer than you, you’ll all come back to crypto

so might as well learn this time how to build with it, how to cater to audiences within that ecosystem

these are development platforms
> But that was too ugly for URLs, so modern websites now use browser history APIs just so they can remove 3 characters from the URL and do stuff like

Would back/forward buttons continue to work if we decided not use browser history APIs?
What are the exact reasons why he was fired?
Come on guys, this is ridiculous ….
Does this mean the Safetyists won?
The board's motivation may have been good, they may be "in the right" here (it depends on your view on AI risk, and also on a lot of details of what was going on that we still don't know). But unambiguously they executed abysmally. There is little to be proud of here. OpenAI may have needed to be reined in, and they have probably succeeded in accomplishing that, but they have badly damaged the company in the process, and catastrophically damaged their own credibility, thus reducing their ability to influence events in the future and plausibly damaging the credibility of the entire idea of responsible development. (To be clear, I believe responsible development is important and I am sad to see it discredited.)

Edit to add: if you believe the rapid commercialization of frontier models at OpenAI was a cancer that needed to be destroyed, the likely outcome of the board's clumsy handling is that it probably now metastasizes.
Yes, I'm very interested to see what Sam and Greg achieve without Ilya.
I've been into crypto since 2012. It always crashes and comes back. Bitcoin halving is next year, so expect a massive pump.
Plot twist: Iliya, Altman and the orher guy fired planned all this to make the board look dumb, remove them, and take full control without being held back any longer.
pewresearch.org numbers are off, it claims the US total gun deaths including suicides is only 4 times of France. Deaths by police and military seems very low.

This thread is collapsed by default, but I can still see it.
What can Microsoft do? Tell OpenAI they break their long-term agreement just because?..
have you read any of the articles at all before firing off that sentence?
MS has already gotten a lot out of OpenAI... who knows, the next steps could be OpenAI focusing more on R&D and not products like a good non-profit. ChatGPT is handed over to MS and merged into Bing. Anything could happen.
When Am I Ever Going to Use This?(Math)
It's actually slightly worse, because it is forced sharing! The recipient doesn't have to accept an invite -someone can just share a google doc with you and it will be visible in your drive. It's like sending someone an email (which is another attack vector this could have been triggered)
There is Starlink now. Gamechanger for us; we had total crap radio (line of sight) internet before that; not even dsl.
Was Ilya not the brains of OpenAI? Seems like rest were investors
Postwar planning laws and building codes made them a lot less viable. You're now always going to have to hire an architect and a licensed electrician and a plumber and so on - to the point that you probably have to hire a building crew rather than project managing it yourself - and at that point they have their suppliers and can handle that at a B2B level rather than it making sense for you to get one house's worth of everything in a package.
To add to that. https://twitter.com/paulg/status/1726367540354363678?t=s7W23...
I understand that. What is missing is the purpose of running such an organisation. OpenAI has achieved a lot, but is it going to the direction and towards the purpose it was founded on? I do not see how one can argue that. For a non-profit, creating value is a means to a goal, not a goal in itself (as opposed to a for-profit org). People thinking that the problem of this move is that it destroys value for openAI showcase the real issue perfectly.
What's your source on that? Freight yards are plentiful.
As long as we're speculating from the outside, in a strong difference of opinions between Altman and Sutskever, I'm inclined to support Sutskever.
Assuming that's the end of the story, what hardcore ML people do Altman and Brockman have now for their new AI startup?

Or are they just going to focus on the hardware thing?
It’s been 15 years and they’ve cycled through quite a few alleged usecases without ever arriving at one that’s convincing.

But the incentives are in place to keep the search going for quite a long time, even if it’s mostly aimed at unlocking supplies of greater fools.
I support....neither ?

I would have been extremely uneasy if Altman had the power to get back as CEO after this kind of ousting but I didn't really support ousting him like that in the first place, especially if this didn't reach a fever pitch over some much more capable model.
I've recommended this exact talk many times! It's excellent.
Guess they didn’t miss, or he wasn’t a king
Are you for real? "Difference of opinions" isn't a problem for a board, it's exactly why multiple people are on one. And Adam will not have any conflict of interest with Poe very shortly.
Remember when people played their digital audio through tape deck adapters?

Why not build a digital audio player that has the cassette tape formfactor? Put whichever flash media directly into the cassette. Transmit audio over the cassette head like those old line-in to tape adapters. Use the wheels of the cassette to charge the device and control playback.

All of the hipster cred of the cassette formfactor combined with the quality of digital audio.
BTC is over 2x from what it was a year ago. Granted, a year ago it was at the local minimum, after crashing almost 4x from the peak, but isn't this exactly what "coming back" is accurately describing? It crashes 2021 to 2022, and came back (not to the prior levels, but still) in 2023.

Also, "everyone's in jail"? Really? Sure, there were a number of fraudsters that got what was coming to them. It's not exactly a new thing, while certainly a welcome one. But it's hardly "everyone". Very low quality reporting, saying a lot of things, some of which are clearly not true, some of which may or not may be true, but the article provides nothing but flat statements without any support.
How so? Ilya won. OpenAI is now more his than it was before Sam was fired.
Huh? Last time I checked I'm paying OpenAI for my Chatgpt plus subscription, not msft
> no low level employee will do Sams bidding in an illegal enterprise

Many people have betrayed their country to foreign governments in exchange for mere thousands of dollars. It is never safe to rule out the willingness of employees to engage in corporate espionage, even in exchange for truly pitiful rewards. It would be a stupid idea, but that doesn't mean it won't happen.
Doubtful that was an issue. Altman asked for the board's resignation. So basically Ilya would have to leave the company.
You mean the victim that got hit by a human driver that sent her flying in the air. And that human fled the scene. Hit and run.
I’ve been using ultorg for a couple years now, very happy to see it reach broader audiences

Its’s a game changer tool for me, providing an intuitive graphical query construction interface (via a simple stacked table header, very sum-product like) and cross-db joins. The multi-column report style layouting is also really useful for looking at wide queries with lots of data. I’ve shamelessly ripped of some of eirik’s ideas and wowed people from (especially) the financial world

IMO its one of the truest advancements in SQL clients that i’ve seen in a while.
Depends on whether you are a plant.
'Electrocaloric' heat pump could transform air conditioning
Wait why would you think this is would be related to Kyle?

Kyle's story was brewing from the moment GM appointed their attorney to manage Cruise - everyone knew there was gonna be restructuring of the executive team after the incident.

If anything, it was a convenient time for Kyle to step down as it wouldn't get a lot of prime time thanks to OpenAI drama.
You think Microsoft's investment is going up in flames because OpenAI is moving forward without Sam?
M/Monit 4.0.0 Released
All these years later I really do still have anxiety
when the phone rings, though. I have an irrational
fear of picking up even when it's, like, my dad,

I feel you. Near the end of my mom's life there were a few years where I was on basically 24/7 phone alert in case she was rushed to the hospital again, etc. I was never really able to use vibrating alerts again after that. I just associate them with that stressful time.

For different but similar reasons I get anxiety spikes from Slack notification noises. Can't handle 'em.
They're going to raise half a billion dollars, maybe more, and poach a lot of ML people from OpenAI, that's my guess.
No, it will switch to being something like Micorsoft Cambridge. AKA only for R&D
She did an absolute train wreck of a radio interview about 6.5 hours into the outage. It's a 6 minute listen, available here - https://www.abc.net.au/listen/programs/sydney-mornings/optus...

Optus has been a basket case for many years, and was only made worse by appointing a number of ex banking executives whom don't understand the role Optus' products play in their customers lives.
So which humans in the Americas killed off the roaming elephants or mammoths?
Yeah Emmett Shear seems like an odd choice if they’re worried about retention because 1) Twitch was never known to be a particularly great place to work and 2) he stepped down for some reason and not because Twitch was in an amazing place or anything at the time
Microsoft hasn't released all its investment into OpenAI, and I think this could trigger some special contingency in their agreement to stopping doing so.

I think one thing is for certain: OpenAI now, won't worth that much any more.
OpenAI has hundreds more employees, all of whom are incredibly smart. While they will definitely lose the leadership and talent of those two, it’s not as if a nuclear bomb dropped on their HQ and wiped out all their engineers!

So questioning whether they will survive seems very silly and incredibly premature to me
Hundreds of millions of UNPROFITABLE ARR and only through spending many billions.

Apple has rarely been first to market with technology. However they often are first to have a cohesive user experience that integrates it in.
Thank god they went with Emmett over Murati.
Consignment shops and a tailoring appointment should get you going for 10-30% of the suit’s retail price. It’s worth getting the tailor’s opinion on modifying your current suits, too. It’s usually free to have them take a look.
O already ignores logarithmic factors, is it not? At least its correct usage.
Monerium/EURe fully complies with EU e-money regulations. There's lots of similar products coming out in EU land, and more and more globally (e.g. euroe.com)

Most regulations apply to financial institutions, if your blockchain is provably decentralized (as in, nobody can rug/fraud you from your money), then a lot of regulations do not apply.
I'm not a believer in "AI safety."

But if you do believe, I don't see how this a "victory."

OpenAI is now existentially at risk. Even if it does survive it will very likely lose its dominance to a non-"AI safety" commercial endeavor.

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Classic "biting the hand that feeds you" https://youtu.be/Lg2dqFCU67Q?si=TWX8slGW_8hLdgQu&t=35
That doesn't mean companies don't do it all the time.
dang can you tell me if this comment I wrote was downranked by a mod? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38342452
It is a problem when you pretty much fired two board members who would've been against Ilyas opinion.

Maybe Adam will not have any conflict in a few months, but he does now. He did when he and others got rid of Greg and Sam from the board. That's my point.