skysight-inc/HackerNews huggingface dataset:
But at its best, GPT promises the opposite: streamlining the least arcane tasks so that experts don’t need to waste so much time on them.

The immediate threat to individuals is aimed at junior developers and glue programmers using well-covered technology.

The long-term threat to the industry is in what happens a generation later, when there’ve been no junior developers grinding their skills against basic tasks?

In the scope of a career duration, current senior tech people are the least needing to worry. Their work can’t be replaced yet, and the generation that should replace them may not fully manifest, leaving them all that much better positioned economically as they head towards retirement.
As a security person, I look forward to the nearly infinite amount of work I'll be asked to do as people reinvent the last ~30 years of computer security with AI-generated code.
The parent talked about “… through years of obstructing price discovery despite running a giant ad exchange with auctions…”, so I think it might be the price discovery of ads may be what they’re talking about, though I can’t be certain.
Uranium can be obtained anywhere if cost is no object. If you own a house with a modest sized lawn, the top meter of soil probably contains several kilograms of uranium.
> cypherpunk maximalist

Way past time to get assassination markets back in the popular imagination so that a new generation can re-litigate the usenet flame wars of olde, amplified by a factor of ten thousand.
She should go for scans anyway. Celebrate the victory every year.
Luckily majority of HN doesn't watch TikTok and worry about things posted here being fake in general.
>Be careful with FB marketplace. It's a mess now.

Now? I think you've missed that by a bit which is understated in the same manner your "now" is.
> The biggest potential outcome of this trial is that the Google-Apple deal is deemed illegal and maybe that forces Apple to buy or build their own search engine.

They're already on it for many years. What do you think the spotlight web suggestions, including direct link to the site if the match is good are?
Yup, I've always found it strange that American parents immediately kick out their children at the age of 18. The United States in general seems to practice an unhealthy amount of individualism.
If a successor to GPT4 produced 5% of the errors it currently does, it would change programming, but there would still be programmers, the focus of what they worked on would be different.

I'm sure there was a phase were some old school coders who were used to writing applications from scratch complained about all the damn libraries ruining coding -- why, all programmers are now are gluing together code that someone else wrote! True or not, there are still programmers.
The % of all SFH they own is different from the % of available inventory they are buying quarter to quarter.
That last one is weird in that while it conveys the same information of being stubborn, Dogmatix makes more sense in terms of humor because the point of Asterix is that the characters were supposed to have names that look vaguely like real Gaulish names like Vercingetorix; Dogmatix fits the mold better than Idée-Fixe. I know it isn't the case, but if I had to guess without knowing which was the original, I would have guessed Dogmatix.
it's not customer acquisition though, Google can most likely get lot of users off safari to chrome for cheaper but issue would be that Apple would then get incentive to build search (and like apple maps, they can just embed it into everything without option to change default)

disclaimer: Googler here(not in search PA), this is my personal opinion.
Millennial checking in. My parents told me in no uncertain terms that I was on my own after high school. There was never any safety net. I found out much later in life how poor we were. It's very hard to escape both poverty and growing up with neglect, abuse and a lot of dysfunction. I'm actually amazed I'm not on drugs, in jail (or both), or just: dead.
A regular railroad, not a rail canal as GP was suggesting.

Such a rail canal was suggested for the Isthmus of Tehuantepec, though (the narrow waist of Mexico): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isthmus_of_Tehuantepec#/media/...
Requesting a basic or complex program still requires breaking down the problem into components a computer can understand. At least for now, I haven’t seen evidence most people are capable of this. I’ve been coding for ~15 years and still fail to describe problems correctly to LLMs.
What do you mean by secret search engine?
I believe this is semi-normal in Italy and other southern European countries, among other places like Asia, Africa. Maybe not so much Northern European countries.
What % of the carbon of the plant is fertilizer production?
Yeah but practically speaking they can't be as long as their crimes benefit at least a third of the Senate. Frankly, the corruption of the court seems to fall substantially along party lines, so as long as one party never holds 67 senate seats there is no mechanism for accountability.
Also, I think we are quite a ways out from a tool being able to devise a solution to a complex high-level problem without online precedent, which is where I find the most satisfaction anyway.

LLMs in particular can be a very fast, surprisingly decent (but, as you mention, very fallible) replacement for Stack Overflow, and, as such, a very good complement to a programmer's skills – seems to me like a net positive at least in the near to medium term.
Yeah, I agree. I was thinking about it today — that most of my life I have coded projects that I have enjoyed. (Well, I often found ways to enjoy them even when they were unwelcome projects dropped on my desk.)

In a larger sense though I think I have looked for projects that allowed a certain artistic license rather than the more academic code that you measure its worth in cycles, latency or some other quantifiable metric.

I have thought though for some time that the kind of coding that I enjoyed early in my career has been waning long before ChatGPT. I confess I began my career in a (privileged it seems now) era when the engineers were the ones minding the store, not marketing.
Fertilizer itself isn’t carbon. Are you referring to the fertilizer production line or fertilizer itself
Today I already have trouble doing git archeology to understand why a piece of code was done in a certain way.

Now imagine debugging more and more code that was created by LLMs.

Debugging will become more of a voodoo witchcraft kind of thing. I pity anyone who decides to make a living out of that. Probably will earn a lot and die young.
Alternative question: how many Americans have enough free time to access the outdoors regularly?
What does that have to do with public facing services? Stop, read, and think before ratcheting up the rudeness.
Divorce happens after a failed relationship. Are you seriously saying that my wife is made more likely to end a happy relationship because of the outcomes of a divorce proceeding?
Used it a couple of times. Never found it useful or thought of a situation in which it would be useful.

If you are doing something that is identical to something that has already been done, maybe it works...but then you just look at GH anyway.

For any other situation it is useless because it doesn't know how to program. Pretty much no company wants you typing in random shit into the internet either, it is accident waiting to happen.

Doesn't even work for automation. This is still an absolutely huge area of potential productivity gain. If we still don't have most people taking full advantage of computers, are they just going to magically automate everything? No.
Does an escrow based transaction help prevent scams. What does history have to shows us with SilkRoad as an example?
Will Kevin be okay? Is he immune to retaliation from Google for letting that information slip?
>I use every day both SHA-256 and BLAKE3. BLAKE3 is faster only because it is computed by multiple threads using all available CPU cores. When restricted to a single thread, it is slower on CPUs with fast hardware SHA-256.

That's not actually my experience. Last I tested, BLAKE3 was about twice as fast, single-threaded, as SHA256 on a Zen 3 CPU, which has the extensions.

Lower down in the thread someone else did a comparison, and came out with a similar result.
I don't know why Google's Pixel phones don't have depth scanning like iPhone's but instead added ... a thermometer? Is there a patent issue or something?
I really enjoyed this episode of Peter Attia's podcase: https://peterattiamd.com/keithflaherty2/. They spend a lot of time breaking down the difficulty in cancer treatment, changes over the past decade, the importance of multimodality therapy, and a lot more. A highlight was Attia's analogy to explain antigen presentation.
who cares about parents once their children are away? moving next door is not always the option
How about this: We have celebrities share their political views on a range of topics. The media will cover which celebrities say what positions, perhaps moderate a debate among them. The people then vote on their favorite celebrities, and those who are the most popular get to collectively vote on political decisions. If they make unpopular decisions or go back on what they promised, then the people can vote for someone else during the next regularly scheduled election.

/s (in case you're missing it, politicians are already effectively celebrities)
Whistleblowers suggest Zlokovic may have manipulated data of a stroke trial
Yep, we already saw this years ago with Dwolla (which was much worse than Zelle because it was crypto-adjacent).
You don’t think the technology will improve at all in the next ~16 years? It will just be stuck at it being able to write simple scripts even in 2040?

I fully expect human programming to be completely obsolete by then.
At no point was this being withheld from the DoJ or the judge, and was absolutely being used as evidence in the trial. It was previously sealed to prevent public disclosure as a trade secret.
Streaming is constantly removing movies. There were fewer movies on Netflix streaming in 2022 than there were in 2015 (source: https://www.whats-on-netflix.com/news/netflixs-movie-library... ) And, according to the same source, Netflix has almost no movies from before 2000.

People might start looking to DVDs for more variety in their movies!
AI will surpass humanity at abstraction and the manipulation of abstraction in all its forms - laws, finance, literature, poetry, mathematics...
Humans will finally be coralled into the activity their evolution optimized them for - innovation, adaptation, exploration, creation. All the billionaires of today will fade into obscurity as AI strips them of their wealth and leaves only the real humans - unfortunately this may only intensify the rat race if humans continue to compete in a capitalist market.
Shh, don't say that part out loud... Apple can do no evil! /s
Learning itself is not obsolete. Burning scarce time on arcana associated with various platforms and libraries may become so.

The various LLMs are decently good at recreating known solutions to problems that may require arcane knowledge, which covers a lot of human memory. Is there something lost here? Probably. But who yet knows what may replace it.
Have they never seen Speed?
It'll be interesting to see what happens. But I won't take the opinion of somebody who struggles with a task that I'd expect first year undergraduates to accomplish as the key source of insight here.
A bit maybe
Of course the economics of moving out haven't gotten easier for younger folks, and there's a severe shortage of housing has made almost everything worse. Still, a few things to note:

- Since baby boomers were born, the US has gotten a lot more diverse.

- This is meaningful, because in a lot of cultures, multigenerational homes are the norm. There is a lot less pressure to move out just because one is an adult, and there's more emphasis on the family unit.

- It doesn't seem like a coincidence that diverse places like LA and NYC are more multigenerational. Yes of course they're also a lot more expensive, and it's not just a cultural thing.
> There’s so much of the world that would be better off if GOOD software was cheaper and easier to make.

But… we’d need far, far fewer programmers. And programming was the last thing humans were supposed to be able to do to ear a living.
In the olden days, a lot of problems were solved numerically by methods such as weighing a printed graph of a function
I heard a rumor (maybe myth) that part of the reason why serial killers phenomenon was very rare in the eastern hemisphere (in culture at least) is that it is hard to get the right circumstances given that most of the people lives and interact with a big family compared to the US for example.

I did not read about that or search it though. But it is an interesting idea.

That's of course not to say that this is the only benefit from living with family (if true).

I think it is also economically makes sense because in many of these countries it is very hard for young people to find a housing where they live specially in the big cities where there is more opportunities.

Also because of the centralized economy around capital city and a few cities it will but pressure on the housing market. Not like the US when there is much more diverse and spread economy.

I really miss living close to my extended family and be like 1 hour from most of them. Where I never been alone in any circumstances. But here is the US, I feel lonely and I don't think I am the only one.
Avoid : OpenSSL

Sometimes you're using OpenSSL and you don't realize it. For example, the python cryptography library relies on OpenSSL, although in such a case you're relying on someone else having properly used the OpenSSL library.
Thanks! So is patching this as simple as not allowing the entire space of X for user prompt? i.e. guaranteeing some amount of X for model owner's instructions
In the desert if you destroy vegetation it may take years to recover.

It's not the specific case here that I find a problem, rather the compounding effect of all of us destroying a bit of vegetation until the planet is paved in asphalt and trash
https://archive.ph/p7MW2
I should have specified, I was referring to the NOAA ones that are public

These images are super far away though eg. entire Earth so idk
> Wow, this guys working on rocket science, everyone. Watch out! We might get replaced!

The issue here is that it doesn't matter what you or I think. What matters is what boardmembers, CEOs and CTOs of companies which start cargo cults. You know.. the mainstream tech companies which everyone else follows. If they start shrinking development budgets (I mean shrinking the workforce) under the guise of 'with GPT, you're a 5x-10x coder now, so you'll only handle integrations and people problems', you or I will still be affected, although not replaced.

So don't think about this in black-or-white terms. The issue is way more nuanced than the capabilities of GPT or replacing a fulltime dev job.
I know a teen girl with BPD. Holy smokes! I mean this sincerely - you have my empathy. I’m sure I can’ begin to know what it’s like to live with that. I hope she fan find some medication or something that brings peace. BPD is not a small thing.
APEC, in particular Xi Jinping is meeting Biden there on Wednesday.
I have been having the following debate with my friend who does AI and neural network stuff:

Him: Coding will soon be obsolete, it will all be replaced by chatgpt-type code gen.

Me: OK but the overwhelming majority of my job as a "senior engineer" is about communication, organizational leadership, and actually understanding all the product requirements and how they will interface with our systems. Yes, I write code, but even if most of that were augmented with codegen, that would barely even change most of what I do.
I think it's more fun to program with LLMs, because rather than having just a single programming phase, you basically have three quite different phases: a first phase where you craft an initial prompt, then a second phase where you review the LLM code and ask it to make changes, and then a third phase where you change the code yourself to exactly what you want it to be.
The difference is that in big tech, you can measure it in the first place. Are you really suggesting that that human-to-human systems have always had less fraud? Of course not, the fraud just wasn't logged and reported.
It’s an interesting take and one I hadn’t considered yet - Apple makes Safari the only game in town on iOS to prevent Google from releasing a better browser and ensuring that Google has to pay them $26bn a year.
It has been like this since years. I had the very similar scripted responses in 2019 at craigslist.
Maybe I need to read the AGPL again. I remember interpreting it as saying that if your service was dependant on the component then the license applies to the code for the rest of the service.
I mean, isn’t it obvious why? There was just an article posted to HN a few days ago that says the required income to buy a house effectively increased 50% since 2019. Wages for millennial age experience definitely haven’t increased the same amount.
So trending up, but not significantly, fully agreed this is hardly worth a thing.

Labor participation rate is another thing to track, more of GenZ is attending college rather than embracing independence and going to work than all other cohorts so its not surprising.
Your honor, I'd like to show the jury this link we've marked as Exhibit A to counter the claim of the witness:

https://www.theverge.com/2021/11/10/22773073/vizio-acr-adver...
And one reigning King!
“Big tech” is very far from the only sector where transactions can’t all be verified in person. The financial sector is one obvious case.
> they couldn't realistically maintain or even use the weapons without a very significant investment

All those who cry about nuclear weapons in the one former Soviet state clearly doesn't know what happened to the parts of the Black Sea fleet what was transferred to the one former Soviet state.
Harry Potter and the Little Indie Translation
Name another country with an economy as dynamic as the US where the adults choose to stay with their parents. I’m aware this is the norm in other cultures yet it’s born out of necessity, rarely a choice. Where this is the norm usually young adult unemployment is in the double digits.
How would this anyone be able to evaluate whether the program they requested is correct or not?

Automatic program generation from human language really feels like the same problem with machine translation between human languages. I have an elementary understanding of French and so when I see a passage machine translated into French (regardless of software, Google Translate or DeepL) I cannot find any mistakes; I may even learn a few new words. But to the professional translator, the passage is full of mistakes, non-idiomatic expressions and other weirdness. You aren't going to see publishers publishing entirely machine translated books.

I suspect the same thing happens for LLM-written programs. The average person finds them useful; the expert finds them riddled with bugs. When the stakes are low, like tourists not speaking the native language, machine translation is fine. So will many run-once programs destined for a specific purpose. When the stakes are high, human craft is still needed.
Interesting.

Mind if I ask how a sound recorded by two different sensors can be identified as the same original sound if the loudness is different? Unless the frequency of loud sounds is less than the time taken by the sounds to reach the sensors, wouldn’t it be hard to pick up two sounds spread apart by say a second but know that they are the same sound?

For example, if I’m on the phone with a friend during a thunderstorm and we are on opposite sides of the city, will we hear and be able to identify the same thunderclap?

Does sound have usable distinguishing features other than just loudness?
It kind of reminds me of this, except substitute coding for "hammering":

https://www.buzzmaven.com/old-engineer-hammer-2/
Wow, that sounds sad. And in a way they probably did you a favor because that kind of influence doesn't help. In contrast: as long as I breathe my children will have a home to return to should they need it.
How is that not seen with current systems? Have you never used a Stable Diffusion base model?
There's a discussion to be had there but I say, now explicitly, that it is pointless in this kind of bad faith context. Frame your incredulity as a question.

How can this be prevented without a nanny state?

Libertarians in general, do not believe in the legalisation of violence which is orthogonal to the nanny state. Same as if someone were to randomly put arsenic in your food. That understood how do you deal with it? It's your right to knowingly consume poison in full knowledge of what it is and what it does to you OR you are prevented from doing so because, when you have full knowledge, you will make the wrong decision deciding arsenic is tastier or whatever. Noting also there exist compromises between those two (eg you can do whatever to yourself, but it's made harder - with differing views on how good or bad such policy is). All of those /can/ prevent _unwitting_ lead poisoning. Which polict is best, according to what criteria and at what necessary cost in trade off is something on which reasonable people can disagree, and can be discussed productively and in good faith.

But clearly not here today.
MBA Washing
>Win for regulators, Win for users

That's assuming that citizens want censorship. Most of the time citizens do not have the same goals as the state's censors.
Windows is not very secure my dude. No one knows if you have a virus, you should get a scanner and scan the machine.
Yes, it works, if all of the family members are sane and respect boundaries.
Since sex is villanized in the US, parents have to kick their children out so they can have sex again.
There’s a huge international conference with a bunch of world leaders happening in SF this week, so a large chunk of downtown has a security cordon around it with police and Secret Service agents all over the place: https://sfstandard.com/2023/11/07/san-francisco-apec-securit...

(I work just down the street from this video and had to navigate the maze of fences to get to the office this morning. Aside from that the only difference from what this intersection usually looks like is fewer cars, so I’m not sure what this poster is on about.)
Hahaha wow! That struck an HN nerve for sure, so many posts!
And right after half of our industries which are dependent on this labor will collapse. Agriculture alone would totally collapse in this country, the food would rot in the fields.
> A police person cannot look inside of your house without a warrant, while a flying drone can have a 4K of what’s inside.

A drone can see into your windows, but you don’t have the expectation of privacy through your windows in the first place; for instance, you can be charged with indecent exposure for being naked in your own house if the blinds are open.[1]

> You shouldn’t be Identified (asked for an ID) without breaking the law, while a drone can record and facial recognize you without committing any offense.

It’s not generally based on whether you actually broke the law, but whether the police have “reasonable suspicion” that you did. The police can be reasonably suspicious of someone who, it turns out, did not break the law.

Also, once you’re in public, anyone with a phone can record you and upload it to a social media network, most of which probably have more extensive facial recognition databases than the police.

One thing the police do have though, is that the dash cams in their patrol vehicles can scan license plates and alert them if a vehicle was reported stolen or if the registered owner has warrants.

[1] https://www.valleycentral.com/news/local-news/police-provide...