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This is a great point, but I don't think we're talking about the same thing when we use the word "game". There is a counter-intuitive difference between a sales contest and a weekend spent playing Modern Warfare. One has a real monetary value attached, and the other doesn't. Yet we'd STILL rather engage in the activity that has no real reward attached. To me, that is the sign of a well-designed "game".
Do you seriously think there is only one employer? There are plenty of employers that don't ask for your Facebook account info.

If enough people are angry about it, the employer will be forced to stop because they won't get enough candidates.
Great, now the biggest question is whether build for growing in users or be profitable from day one, or both.

AFAIK instagram didn't make any cent. Premium filters and and ads would be the first choice, but I heard they decided to focus and grow in people loving their product.

Another big thing to deal with is: to sell or not?
Err... so you're okay with typing your username and password into a personal computer running software configured under another person's control? That's about as far away from "trusted" as possible.

The author describes getting into other folks' FB accounts by having them log in on his own device. Not their own devices.
It isn't true that "if a WSGI app goes bonkers you have to restart the relevant server." This is between you and your specific app server, it isn't a matter of WSGI.
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Beijing is growing extremely fast and will probably soon surpass more established ecosystems DC/Chicago/Montreal. Also , our data are not perfect for Beijing due to the language barrier.
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You've misunderstood the exploit. Logging into someone else's phone is an artifact of the test (because clearly he's not going to push a malicious app to the market!), not a requirement for the exploit. Any app with the log reading capability can do that. And any app can request that capability. As pointed out elsewhere there's a Bible app that does it.
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Let's look at something trivially more complex than a Hello World: a form handler. The form is just HTML, asking for a name:

<html>
<body>
<form action="handlerhere" method="post">
<label>Name: <input type="text" name="name" /></label>
<input type="submit" name="submit" value="Submit" />
<input type="hidden" name="submitted" value="TRUE" />
</form>
</body>
</html>

The handler is a separate file. This whole example is from back around my first year of programming, when (among other silly things) I thought indentation was stupid. (Which was one reason I didn't like Python to begin with even though I love it now.) The PHP handler:

<html>
<body>
<?php
if (isset($_POST['submitted'])) {
$name = htmlentities(stripslashes($_POST['name']));
echo "<p>The submitted name was \"$name\"</p>";
}
?>
</body>
</html>

And the Python version (notice the silly one space indent (I use two now!) and the silly semicolons):

#!/usr/bin/python
import cgi;
def main():
form = cgi.FieldStorage(); # instantiate only once!
name = form.getfirst('name', 'empty');

# Avoid script injection escaping the user input
name = cgi.escape(name);

print "Content-Type: text/html\n";
print """\
<html>
<body>
<p>The submitted name was "%s"</p>
</body>
</html>""" % name

if __name__ == "__main__":
main();

Oh, and with the Python version I had to add this file to the directory it was in which I didn't totally understand at the time:

Options +ExecCGI
AddHandler cgi-script .py
Options +Indexes

Admittedly not that hard. I had an .htaccess file already for fun 404 handlers. I vaguely remember being confused for a while because the .py script didn't have the right permissions on it so the server's apache just refused to execute.

The complexity isn't that much different, it's just that Python provided no compelling reason for me to switch to it. (And, frankly, even with Flask still doesn't for simple single-file web-page scripts. Applications, on the other hand...)
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That's a really good analysis. I'm currently mostly using Python, but I've had a lot of PHP experience. Once everything is configured python is a dream, but if I just want to prototype a simple website, it just isn't worth it. Same for the average blog or small scale business site.

To me this signifies a significant hole in the market that competing products could fill. We've already seen that, to some degree, with platforms like AppEngine, but not so much with self-hosted solutions. Or do such things exist? If so, why are they not more prominent?

Another huge bonus for PHP is that a AMP stack is easy to run on Windows, Mac or Nix. The same cannot be said for Rails or Python.
Big Data is just that... BIG.

I personally feel that the area most ripe for innovation in this space is the opposite of some sort of Googlebook.

Make a product that actually removes that intimidating aspect of Big Data and looks more like something your mom would use everyday... Do that and I believe you'd have a true next generation data product.

Everything I hear about Big Data is about clever people making it seem even bigger and waxing lyrical on the possible benefits to Big Business. What they mean is advertising. It's getting boring.

Let me not rant and just toss a pebble in the pond: Big Data for The Little People.
I wasn't so much concerned with the blogger's views (which I disagree with as well), as I was with your fear of the trend of gamification.

How come a love of computing can't be born inside a game consisting of building programs for points? I was introduced to programming because I wanted to make video games. I didn't want to program - I just wanted the satisfaction of a completed game. My love of programming came over time as I experimented.

This is, of course, very subjective but whenever I think about any of my hobbies I recall always being led to them because of some outside factor. It was only after I began practicing them that I learned to enjoy them for what they were.
It isn't force. Employees aren't slaves. They can start a business or move onto a company that doesn't ask for any of this info.

This is why the majority of people starting a business, fail. Looking at the comments here, people just give up at the first sign of trouble (or need mommy and daddy government to step in and make decisions on their behalf).
It's really not realistic to say that facebook could make it for $100k; even entry level developers at facebook make more than $100k salary yearly which means they each cost the company significantly more than that including benefits, office space, hardware, etc. Even if they took 2 developers, half a PM and half a UX person on this for only one quarter it would cost way more than that.
I was most surprised by the average age of founders. Early 30s is about a decade older than the media let me to believe.

Perhaps the median age would've been a more insightful statistic.
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>...modern videogames are focusing too much on the "achievement unlocked!" aspect of gaming, at the expense of deeper and more actually engaging game mechanics

I absolutely agree. "Badges" and the like are a half-assed (quarter-assed?) way of going about gamification. But some game mechanics simply act like heroin on the brain. World of Warcraft and Ultima Online had this effect on me in past years.

I can't put my finger on it precisely (hence the ambiguity in the post), but I can't shake the feeling that there is something special about the incentive designs of WoW and UO that we can leverage to improve engagement in education and in the working world.
I have no interest whatsoever in building a successor to PHP. Why would I?

What you are pitching is not a language, it is a deploy interface provided by a server. But does everyone agree that PHP has the best possible deploy model? Not at all.

I am happier with languages other than PHP. I gather you are not. That is fine, you use PHP and I won't. There is absolutely no necessity for other languages to ape PHP in an attempt to capture the attention of people who prefer PHP anyway.
That was an April Fool's joke that I guess we've kept as a category.

The new TC team has very little to do with the weird, navel-gazing BS of last year. The new editor, Eric, actually went through YC six years ago.

Our philosophy is more startups. More founders. Less crap.
I know the install script is fairly easy but will this support installs via the homebrew package manager?
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Ask HN: What is the demand like for wireframing skills (e.g. Balsamiq)?
I'm thinking of learning how to use it in order to document my project ideas better than a list of descriptions. I've been exploring of offering my skills with Balsamiq as a service for perhaps other aspiring entrepreneurs or business owners who want to launch a new product. However, I have no idea whether people would want to pay money to someone taking care of this for them. What are your thoughts as a Hacker News community member, especially at the forefront as early adopters?

Thanks in advance!
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Apple's entirely inconsistent in this: IIRC I've been able to set simple passwords if I reset my Apple ID password through a certain page, but am forced to use a complex password if I reset it through a different page. (Such as id.apple.com vs. store.apple.com vs. developer.apple.com) I can't remember which is which, but I remember coming to this realization multiple times.
The difference being that Adblock or Google+ does not interact with Facebook's services. They do, on the other hand, have every valid right to determine who interacts with their service and how.
This is great. But it would be nicer if the algorithm to randomly place the new messages would attempt to not obscure the most recent ones; sometimes I was trying to read a really interesting message and it got covered up before I finished reading.
> how old are you?
The great thing about this rhetorical device is that it is both a fallacious and non-fallacious ad hominem. Asking the persons age is a legitimate question given the question of how important NYT is to public life. It's also a legitimate dig. "Ah. I see what you've done here."
"ban senseless and stupid drug testing for jobs that don't actually require 24/7 sobriety (eg software engineering)."

It should be my right as an employer to hire anyone that I wish (just like it is your right as an employee to not accept a position or quit).

You say it has no effect, but you can't tell me it has no effect on productivity, I just won't believe it (I've known too many pot heads in my life). Also, if my company required my employees to be on-call with customer support, I don't want someone under the influence of anything handling these sorts of emergencies.

If you ban drug testing, employers will just hire people who they think are drug users less often and you won't really be able to prove it.
Or even those of us (like myself) who are currently on the Rails boat!
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How the heck does it follow that the market wage is higher for those who say yes? What sort of mental gymnastics even get you to that point? You are making a big assertion with absolutely no evidence here, back up your statement with even a tiny fraction of a fact please.

It seems infinitely more likely that employers would blanket policy everyone to give up their passwords, and every other bit of personal info period, or they wouldn't get a job.
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This is an idea very similar to a post I made on HN recently (http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3823008). There is going to be a demand for software in 0x10c just like there is a demand for items in Team Fortress 2, whether or not there is an actual in-game app store.

Obviously it will be necessary to see what sort of details unfold regarding the concrete mechanics of the game and the role of the DCPU-16 (the scope to which the computer customizablecan control the ship, how customizable it will be et cetera). But if this is something you are interested in, drop me an email. I think it'd be fun.
Instead of blaming "the other communities" blame the web hosts which decide that they only like to support PHP out of the box. Many other languages can be made easy to deploy on shared hosting, it is up to the host to actually do so. Nobody can force them.
Great points here, thanks for posting.

I'm especially interested in your first point on the difficulty of cultivating care beyond all the "games" in school (grades, etc.). To extend on this, I agree you can be motivated to do work because you want a good grade, however the real struggle, and where it really pays off, is to be motivated to do work because you inherently want to. In a majority of school, students don't see the purpose or don't care about any given assignment, which is why the games/external motivators have been introduced. An alternative here is to spend much more time convincing the students why it's worth learning/doing, for example through providing more contextual information, introducing real-life scenarios, long-term projects, and so on. Once the students see the value, everything else (and so much more) will follow.
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I follow the issue of defeating the purpose of the sandbox -- the token is sent to a log where other apps can read it, so an app that has "read sensitive log files" and "access network" rights could run amok over the user's FB. The article goes on to describe getting access to other folks' accounts, but only after convincing them to enter credentials. But there are already plenty of drawbacks to installing malicious apps on your own smartphone, and lots of reasons not to enter credentials on some random device.
More like tech-blog infinite loop.
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Um. We're getting a little bogged down here, but...

1) PHP is commonly implemented via CGI by many webhosts, even today. Not only is it generally considered more secure, but it lets you easily run multiple versions behind the same Apache instance. The performance hit isn't bad, either. So I'm not sure what "PHP is ... better than CGI" even means.

2) PHP is not particularly stable and it is not uncommon for a PHP process to hang until killed, often soaking up 100% CPU time. The stateless nature does make it easier to just kill it whenever it goes crazy, but it doesn't really have anything to do with how often it goes crazy.

3) You can configure servers in all sorts of ways, but there's nothing inherently harder about WSGI. You absolutely can just "kill the process".

4) I honestly have no idea what you mean by "a forking-style server for Python". Is there something you dislike about all the current ones? :)
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As far as the working world, there are some fascinating Soviet attempts with that. I wrote a brief bit about it at http://www.kmjn.org/notes/soviet_gamification.html based on some preliminary research, but I'd really like to read a proper analysis written by a Soviet-history expert.

It's obvious why the USSR found the idea enticing: since they didn't have tools like higher pay or bonuses to reward workers with, they hoped that they could incentivize workers with some kind of inner cognitive motivation, patterned after whatever secret sauce works in games and sports. It's probably fair to say that their attempts were of decidedly limited success, though it's less clear whether it was the idea that was bad, the Soviet implementation of the idea, the context, or some combination.

The conventional explanation among capitalist economists has been that the idea was bad: you can't incentivize workers with games, but only with actual payment, so of course the Soviet attempts failed. But now a bunch of businesses, presumably run by capitalists, seem to think that the idea is worth a second look, which suggests that either they're wrong (and it's not worth a second look, for the same reasons it wasn't good the first time), or the answer for why the USSR's model didn't work is more complex.
Sure but I just ignore it. Plenty of useful, actually informative stuff out there. Why waste your time on hype and self-promotion?
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The only place I know it is routine outside of the US is in trading roles for banks.

Then again, many financials are American...
From what I could see, it has mandatory Facebook authentication. Is that really necessary?
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This is truer than you know, but for the wrong reasons.

I worked tech support for a shell provider in the 90s and I helped a LOT of users work through the mechanics of setting up a cgi-bin. One of the most difficult concepts for users without a technical background was file permissions -- specifically the execute bit.

I believe PHP's ease of use primarily stems from what most would consider a security vulnerability: mod_php instructs apache to execute code from php files without the execute bit set. This is inherently the same sort of issue behind email worms on Windows -- exec handlers which pass code to an interpreter without honoring the lack of execute permissions.

It's a terrible idea, and also widely popular. I have personally seen users switch from Perl to PHP purely because they could not figure out how to set the execute bit in their Windows FTP program.

The rest is inertia, as far as I'm concerned.
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'Rocket Lease is me saying that 40k a year would be life changing for me'

I really don't get this line of thinking. I'm assuming the author isn't a programmer as otherwise I don't see how 40k a year would be an acceptable or life changing amount of money, and, if he isn't, then why not learn to code? Or maybe I'm just missing something and the intent is this is only a part-time project that doesn't take up much time so any money it makes is just extra (and 40k extra per year would be welcome by most people I'm sure).. honestly I'm curious, as while I have an interest in entrepreneurship, the potential payoff would have to be fairly high as being able to simply work as a programmer for others already provides a fairly decent quality of life.
Given how many years the political circle jerk known as cable news has been going, I believe there may be an infinite appetite for this stuff.
I think the author is forgetting where eggs come from. (hint: Chickens)

Games work because they mimic life. (By life I mean, you, your emotions, the circumstances you encounter and how you handle those circumstances.)

Essentially this whole post is a semantic piece interchanging the words "emotions" with "gamification"

Everything about life is driven by gamification (read:emotions) already, and everything about games is triggering emotions. forcing people to make decisions using logic, experience, and driven by their emotional needs.

In other words, we like games because it is life, except there is such a thing as do-overs.
Well, in just the same way you could be in a restaurant, and have finished ordering food.
yeah... the "people" section makes me feel very unaccomplished :-(
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Incredible post & research -- thanks for sharing.

The relationship of monetary reward to engagement has always seemed a bit weird to me.

I've heard it said that compensation over $75K does nothing to increase happiness. However, I've also heard of fabulously wealthy people using money as a motivating scorecard, divorced from its purchasing power, simply used as a measurement of their success. Not sure if these are in conflict, or simply proof that money actually has a very oddly shaped marginal utility curve.