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I came here to make this point as well... Education _is_ gamified. While some seem to think that changing the scoring/reward system is the key to moving forward, I think the gamification itself is the problem with education (to a degree). It's far easier to say "did you answer this the way I wanted you to? If so, here's your A (or badge, or points) and you win," than to actually make sure people care about and grok the info they're meant to. I can memorize a formula to pass a test, but I may not know jack-shit about how and why the formula is applied to get the answer. That is a problem that is much harder to solve in education and I'm not sure it will ever be solved except by those that can inspire kids to see the beauty in the subjects they love.
>"If you are claiming something without evidence (which you did)"

False.

>"the responsibility is on you to provide evidence that you are right, not on him to prove that you are not."

False, and False. He made a claim, it is his responsibility to provide evidence. I already provided evidence for my claim.

By the way, absolutely every time someone has said "cite needed", in my experience, they are simply ignoring the evidence presented (as in this case) or will ignore it when presented.

This is the tactic of those who cannot make an argument. Since they cannot make an argument they demand a citation and then go on to make a lot of unsupported claims.

>"he simply questioned their actions"

This is an obvious lie. He made obviously false claims about Apple in a snide and disparaging way. Further, these claims came in response to an article where I'd already cited facts refuting them.

>"is to label him as irrational and full of hatred. "Doth protest too much" and all that."

Another flat out lie. But of course, you had to tell that lie so you could call me names.

You, and his, complete inability to argue the point, and your reliance on name calling shows a severe lack of integrity.. and is why HN is not a place where discussion is tolerated on certain topics.

If you dare to defend Apple, you will be called names by Apple haters. (if you don't like the term Apple haters, find a better one, and I'll use it.)

By the way, now that you bring it up, yes, its true, I do think that resorting to personal attack as you have is irrational and a result of hatred.

I would much rather you just responded to my points, with arguments, rather than dishonesty.
They were just bizarrely slow in porting Chrome to Android. With Chrome on Android, the Chrome Web Store follows.
I am definitely not in favour of piping curl output to sh and giving root access.

I do prefer packages installed to /usr. You can easily solve the multiple-version-problem: Debian/Ubuntu has `alternatives`; Gentoo has `eselect` etc.

With these tools it is easy to "slot" packages (Gentoo terminology): /usr/bin/meteor would become a link to /usr/bin/meteor-0.1, /usr/bin/meteor-0.2 or whatever. And it is selected by the `alternatives`/`eselect` commands.

And how do you bundle your runtime? Just install the darn package!

If you are using SuSE Solaris95 and all your software is packaged for Debian or RedHat, then you should consider switching to a distribution that makes it easy to install third party software using the native package manager. If that means building a deb or rpm, then so be it; it's not that difficult.
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According to http://venturebeat.com/2012/03/31/why-groupon-is-poised-for-... it's how liabilities related to refunds have been reported
This is a gimmick. On the other hand the whole app is a workaround for the neutered iPhone communication stack.

Uploading something to a server just to share it with someone standing near you is ridiculous.
>>You are why Hacker News is in decline and why anyone who is capable of argument-- such as myself-- is hesitant to post here
>I'd hate to see what happens when you aren't being hesitant.

Thank you for a perfect example of the kind of content free, snotty, irrational response I was talking about.

For some reason, those who up voted you, and down voted the comment you were replying to (which, by the way, contains several arguments, none of which has anyone addressed) think that this kind of integrity free voting lets you off the hook for ruining this site. It doesn't.
If I have already selected the photos I want to upload on my phone why would I want to use another device to complete the process?

NB: This is not trollfood and I am not a hater. I don't use an iphone so I may be missing something obvious.
What should I do with that PHP script alone? The same example in Node, with no web server, just like yours:

console.log('Hello World')
It looks to be based on matching the location provided by your browser with the location of your phone.

I don't know whether it's a good idea or not, but it's certainly a unique concept.
You mean like chat or email?
Whoever designed this page: this is a clever idea, the ideal goal (I assume) is for it to be spread around ("hey, did you see this neat photo uploader thing?") in which case why doesn't it link me to the app for download? I don't have bump, I want to try this idea... so I have to work out what the site url is and then go and find the app myself. Why not a "don't have bump? download here!" link?
Imgur screencap because the website is down:

http://i.imgur.com/YpkNp.png
Totally irrelevant, but if you click on the Bump logo, it changes the background image.
Heck the OP has such a vague definition of success (it changes from lines 1 to lines 3) that its basically discussion bait/fluff.

Line 1 basically refers to stuff like learning code, while line 2 seems to allude to success in terms of making bank.
What are some examples of things you gamified? Is it more repetitive things like exercising or more creative things?
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This could be a good way to quickly upload multiple screenshots to the computer.
And that's not counting all of the messes that are inflicted on you as a user of PHP - security holes and password breaches or having to interface with some crappy API to get stuff done.

At least with PHP it's likely to be some vaguely HTTP/POST-ish interface, not some XML/WSDL monstrosity...
Might be less than optimal compared to something like iCloud, but it's a pretty awesome example of technology that looks like magic.

I'm thinking they're using both your phone and computer's location + timing of accelerometer activation and spacebar hit to identify the phone and computer being bumped together.

Very neat.
This just very cool in a very nerdy sort of way. I kinda wish it was less gimmicky, on the other hand I assume bump uses the time stamps of the shake and the key down to figure out which two devices are trying to talk. I wonder what the threshold for collision is?

Anyway, very cool and I could actually see a use for this, sending photos of whiteboards to colleagues that don't run Mac/have an iPhone. Would have to compete with email/dropbox for ease of use, but it does seem very simple on the receiving end, just surfing to a web page.
You /msg or email people standing next to you?
Compilation speed is not as fast as we would like yet. A lot of that is simply due to generating too much code, which largely is an artifact of the way we implement unwinding. We're working on redoing that to improve code size and reduce compilation times. The monomorphization pass (which is the analogue to template expansion in C++) is pretty fast, because we operate on largely precompiled, serialized ASTs instead of reparsing and typechecking everything from scratch. (Also, we only bother to deserialize the functions you actually use.)

You can draw the boundaries between compilation units however you'd like. If you want incremental compilation, use many crates; if you want easier dependency management, use fewer crates. By default, crates are loaded dynamically at runtime, but you can statically link crates together and inline across crates for production.

The Rust compiler tracks breaking API changes and updates your crate UUID automatically. You can change private APIs and dynamically linked code as you'd like without causing dependent crates to be recompiled, but changing an inlined template function will cause your crate UUID to change, which triggers recompilation of dependent crates. The UUID is essentially just a large hash value derived from the signatures of all the public items in your crate.

At the moment, this is unimplemented, but it's intended that you be able to change the bodies of non-inlined generic functions without causing recompilation of your callers. This works because a non-inlined generic function can only be called with pointer types, which means we can generate one piece of code for the generic function and use that. Inlined generics can be called with any value and the code is duplicated for each value you called it with, so changing the body of one of those does trigger recompilation of dependent crates.
It could be key-down + key-up times to get two data-points for a match. The accelerometer would be able to compute the contact time.
Yes, emailing/chatting is also ridiculous. And so is sending a package when you want to hand someone an object.

Terribly inefficient.
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I can see how this would work well in isolated environments (at home or maybe work), but how would it perform if I was in a crowded area with lots of others using bump. My guess is experience would be miserable.
The NYT isn't as important globally or nationally as you seem to think. Certainly the Wall Street Journal and Financial Times have far more global clout. Arguably, Facebook's potential to influence things like presidential elections with 149 million[1] monthly unique U.S. visitors, just under half the population compared to the estimated 19 million[2] unique monthly visits the NYT has.

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This is brilliant! I guess the next step of photo sharing is to it more FUN. I assume that when I tab on my phone, the client feels the shake and uploads the photo to Bump, and at the same time the browser gets the space keystroke from the keyboard so it would send the location and time to server, which would then match the photo that was uploaded with the best location and time. Matching/guessing the timestamp here is more important than location here I guess.
Isn't the fact that you have to refactor so much of other peoples code an indication that something might be wrong? I'm not familiar with the PHP ecosystem but I don't know of many people having to refactor Ruby gems.
You're half right, it's sockets + accelerometer. If you try hitting your phone against any hard surface and hitting the space bar at the same time it triggers the effect too. You can find the socket js in https://photos.bu.mp/static/js/bump.min.js

Space bar triggers POST (content:{"category":"Bump","action":"NoMatch","time":1334124838.48,"client_id":"a7g47710-e991-721f-8bb6-ea4013a22fb6","session_id":"1509c654180344aea5660a0349b0caaf"}).
Yea. Basically a ton of accounting stuff that, in the eyes of the plaintiffs and the class action lawyers, Groupon had a duty to disclose before the IPO.
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It's also using HTML5 browser location to narrow that tap down to a fairly small area. Pretty neat idea.
The idea seems novel, but I can't bring myself to download the thing in the off chance I might want to upload photos but I'm nowhere near my computer, or any computer for that matter. Besides that, the page lacks any kind of "Download here" link. I'm sure I could find it on the app store, but I appreciate the added convenience.
I would prefer a different analogy. Something like, Heavy Metal & Classical music or Dub-Step & Country.

I leave assigning these as an exercise for the reader.
How do you know what web page you are supposed to "surf to"?
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This makes it easy to see what is on your iPhone on your computer.

It lets you authenticate without having to enter a username/password (less typing!) or having credential information already saved on that computer (which is a typical case if using someone else's computer.)
been using this since it hit its very early stage beta a few months ago ... all I can say is it is awesome ... truly wonderful when I need to pull a ton of pics off my phone
They must have a good amount of money to have that URL.
thanks laumars for that..
yeah. more structure to the track is definitely needed. will that retire DJ come out and start creating Mixtapes on AtticTV? :p
Yeah, that's true. I thought I wrote that as well but seems I erased it :) From experience, the accuracy on my browser location can be quite low, but I guess if you have (x,y,t) on both devices and a relatively large distance in the vector between bumpers it really doesn't matter.
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Awesome! will definitely check it out!
Boston is #18 on the list, isn't it?

But somehow I doubt those numbers. São Paulo is #8 on the list. But I have a hard time naming 10 relevant startups.
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Integrity is standing on principle, even when you don't like the outcome. Thus integrity requires me to point out that in this case, Maryland is violating people's rights.

While I think employers should not ask for these passwords, and don't have a "right" to, I also have the right-- freedom of association-- to not give them the password, and not work for companies that would even ask.

Maryland is interfering with these rights. Maryland is violating freedom of association by dictating what terms people might choose to associate under. I doubt the Maryland constitution gives them the power to do that, and certainly many interpretations of the Bill of Rights have claimed that they restrict state's lawmaking ability.

I don't know what employers might reasonably want this information. Possibly an employer might wish to conduct a background check for a highly security intensive position, and this check might involve access to some website (lets assume it is not Facebook) that the applicant feels perfectly comfortable with them seeing. Further, this access could be conducted with the employee present, with the employee changing the password immediately before giving the access and then changing it again immediately after, resulting in no ongoing access. I don't know what situation someone might find it reasonable to do this-- I can't know.

But neither can the government of Maryland. The problem with these kinds of laws is that they always have unintended consequences, and at the end of the day, any violation of peoples rights-- even with "good intentions" (though I bet this law exempts the state of Maryland itself) -- will result in less optimal outcomes.

For instance, consider the situation where this law is challenged and then upheld. That would establish a precedent that says the state can interfere with freedom of association, and such precedent might be used to undermine freedom of association in areas where we do care about preserving it. This has happened many times in the past-- for instance the "interstate commerce clause", which doesn't actually grant broad powers, but very narrow ones, has been rewritten via precedent to give the federal government essentially unlimited power, even where no commerce between states occurs.

I expect to be down voted for expressing this unpopular opinion. But hopefully Hacker News is the kind of place where making an argument -- even if most people disagree with it-- is respected. (and I'm curious to find out, having recently seen instances of it going both ways.)
I was thinking in the case I'm standing next to him and just want to give him the file (I just photographed a whiteboard, for example). There's a ton of different, valid ways to send that file, but this is certainly one.
awesome! great it works for you :)
Thanks. Traffic jam. Looks like it's back up...
Wow! Are you patenting this idea? I just thought of, like, one hundred uses for this same idea. So fast. Wow. Mind blown.
yeah.. exterminators are a plenty :/ haha.. you don't like deadmau5?
It was the US government that created the drug testing for jobs, when they passed laws requiring it for a variety of government jobs. This had a secondary effect of requiring it for private employers working with government, and then it grew from there.

I did it once, many years ago, and then adopted a policy of refusing it (even though I don't use drugs or even alcohol.)
Yeah. It does work, and it doesn't seem like a bad thing. The problem is that instant upload reduces the functionality on Android by a ton.
I'm more annoyed with the constant barrage of either Facebook, Apple, or Google getting in trouble because of privacy each week. Even when there is really no story at all (conceptual Google Glasses? Privacy! Instagram being bought, despite no TOS changes? Privacy!).
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"Hey did you see this photo uploader? I was trying to work/study and this dumb guy/girl behind me kept whacking their keyboard with an iphone. I asked her if something was wrong with her computer and she replied 'No, I am banging my keyboard with my phone so I can upload photos to a website.'"
Don't shy away from opportunity to teach. Just make sure you show it as a link, perhaps that means a simple popover explaining in simple terms what REST means.
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I think FB Advertizing was awesome. It is expensive for USA/Europe but you can target Asia for less than 10 cents/click. We were converting close to 30%. So it wasnt bad at all. But the problem with Mingle Trips is that it is not viral. so I could only get people as long as I paid for it. That was not a great model for a bootstrapped startup.
Also, it works much better than listing on Craigs List since you get much fewer perverts. From CL, etc, we were regularly getting prostitutes and guys who only wanted to get laid and were pretty crude.
This may not be the general trend. It is only my limited experience.
Ripping off clients definitely sucks as a "game" - I'm more interested in the achievement / reward structure associated with learning, and the sense of completing a finite task, which like finishing a level in a game. Turning things that have moral components (like doing good work versus meeting a target) into a game has been shown to cause problems...specifically, I recall reading about a study about a day care center charging people if they were late to pick up their kids. Charging for lateness actually increased the average late of lateness by de-moralizing the obligation to arrive on time to the day care center (sorry for the lack of reference).

It's not that I think gamification makes everything better, it's that creating a well-controlled enviroment with some rewarding goals makes learning specifically more focused and fun.
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Is this a joke / commentary on patent law or are you genuinely enthused?
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There's a difference between "no" and a "no + no economic coercion".
Distribution lists are a solved problem also, even though Google refuses to support them in mobile Gmail.
Whoa! Just "bumped" into somebody else while testing this out. http://twitpic.com/98efxf

Gimmick?
This is cool. Something about the UX felt like magic- maybe it was the instantaneous response and the way my phone vibrated.

Anyway, can the devs make this more shareable? I wanted to share on Facebook but the FB-markup link looks very nondescript (bad title, no description text, crappy icon). So, I'm not going to share it. Some Twitter / FB links on the webpage would be great.
What is Bump's business model? The app is free. These services are free.
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Ah, yet more information to considered when I finally move from the startup hub that is CT. Biggest surprise for me was the relative size of Boulder.

"Silicon Valley’s ecosystem is currently 3-times bigger than New York City, 4.5-times bigger than London, 12.5-times bigger than Berlin, and 38-times larger than Boulder."
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Thank you for the pointer vgnet, I didn't know about that project...
I wonder what Groupon's Spokescat (http://www.quora.com/Groupon/Whats-the-story-behind-the-Grou...) has to say about this fiasco.
I'd like to hear more about this story. I know personally at 14 while I was doing programming, it would have been super scary to call a magazine to place an ad or have the money for such an ad. How did you end up doing that?
I have but I had a door so maybe that's what is different. But still I don't know why I would stand next to someone and chat / email them...
Having stronger passwords reduces the risks to them as well. Support costs when your account is hacked, news flow when accounts are broken into (which often don't discriminate between the app's fault and the user's). If all passwords are strong, a password dump has reduced risk.

After having two of my passwords leaked via app breakins, I now use a password manager and make sure even the most arb of sites share nothing, each password is strong, and my master password is first class. Sure there's still a risk. Much lower than before.
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Accurate-enough (sub-second in my case) timing of events + physical proximity (both your browser and the app ask for your location) = a near guarantee that your browser session + your phone is a unique pair. It also asks for confirmation on both the phone and browser to pair the first time.

There's no real chance of this being man-in-the-middled since you have to confirm on both devices. And they're being intelligent about it - I just tried it with two laptops at once, and you get "someone's device" instead of the name of your iThing, and your iThing says "please try again" like this: http://cl.ly/1O33430M0i2c0i2T0z2U

Once you've approved, they have a browser + app pair of cookies for future pairings (not really exploitable, as it runs over https), which strengthens the single-pair guarantee to the point where it's about as good as it gets in any security model.
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