skysight-inc/HackerNews huggingface dataset:
Probably worth arguing about, because so many people that think they are 'self-made' also want to take away opportunities from others.

So its good to keep these concepts in the general awareness.
What is everybody’s opinion on Edsger Dijkstra’s quote “It is practically impossible to teach good programming to students that have had a prior exposure to BASIC: as potential programmers they are mentally mutilated beyond hope of regeneration.”

I’ve seen several version of Basic, but I’ve written only a a small bit of code in one of them, and that was 30 years ago. So I don’t know enough about the language to know what his objection was. The language I’ve programmed in the most is Ruby (also my favorite so far), and the one that interests me the most to look at next is probably Pharo. And I know Dijkstra did not like object-oriented languages, either.
Dehydrate fruit
>We will turn Gaza into a deserted island.

Looks like this may be a fake quote. Al Jazeera[0] is the only source I can find. Meanwhile, Politico[1] and other sources have a markedly different quote: "All the places where Hamas hides, operates from — we will turn them into cities of ruins."

[0] https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/10/7/world-is-watching-f...

[1] https://www.politico.eu/article/israels-netanyahu-vows-might...
That depends on whether the median person is living in poverty or not. There are definitely places in the US where it would be very difficult to raise a family or buy a home on the median income.
Do we need laws against every specific thing if another law already covers it? I'd argue no, we don't need to call out special groups as protected, then there is precedent for doing so for every special group. Keep our laws general and comprehensive, with as few special cases as possible, especially when it comes to protecting rights.
But to me that sounds a lot like “all Californians, both rich and poor, are prohibited from sleeping under a bridge.”

In the saying (by Anatole France) the point is not so much that the poor get arrested while the rich don’t, it’s that the poor need to sleep under the bridge because they have no where else to sleep.

If non South Asians aren’t being targeted by the law because they aren’t discriminating—-that’s a good thing. No one wants more discrimination so that laws against it can be fairer.
> All the bombs being used in Ukraine combined, pale in total heat generated and total carbon emissions from even one medium-sized forest fire.

The Nordstream pipeline attack was the largest release of methane in human history. Sometimes bombs blow up things that cause global warming.
Haskell is a complex language that would be very hard to target. What do you think of targeting the Haskell Core, a high-level intermediate representation that GHC uses? It is much simpler than Haskell itself and would preserve the opportunities for parallelization.
I'm glad i lived when i did. It wasn't nirvana or anything, but it was probably the best it will be, or close to it. Seems pretty clear that the financial divide is going to come like a freight train, and over night it will devastate. I might be lucky enough to be dead by the time it comes.
As usual, the biggest factor is ignored:

Risk

Who takes the risk of exploring a drug candidate that literally no one can predict will succeed or fail?

Let's imagine the Secretary of Drug Development testifying before Congress on why so many of his drugs didn't work. His best strategy is to only pursue safe bets.
I mean there are plenty of caste based systems in many religions, perhaps of relevance to the US are Mormonism and Scientology which both have ranking systems that determine options for people in the religion (and who have tried to leave it).

It's also worth noting that if you are born in a specific caste, and convert from your religion, you will still be subjected to caste discrimination from the folk in the original religion.

Obviously under the rules of the current Supreme Court anyone can claim their bigotry is because "religion" and carry on doing it. Don't want to serve someone? claim doing so violates your religious beliefs. Renting a property? ditto. Employment? again.
Was this written or translated by AI or something? I see a few odd sentences like:

After the fault phenomenon disappears, it will automatically learn to join the society.
Who even knows someone’s caste in the US. As an Indian living in the US for 20 years, I have never once even heard it come up in any conversation even in passing. How would you even tell? I grew up in India and I can’t tell.
It's not that common outside the US in my experience, and the kitchenettes are barely usable.
Caste discrimination is bad but I do worry that passing bills like this will make employers less willing to hire south Asians. America has shown a tendency to burden south Asian populations with the downside effects of its regulations (TSA and affirmative action come to mind) and I worry this would be another case of that.
Personally, these features are not something I feel like I would constantly be missing. I don't constantly feel like I'm missing them after switching from JavaScript, at least for not having to call .stream(), context receivers (which Java provides with ScopedValue), or signatures for functions.

I'll give you nullable types, though I personally don't struggle with null at all.
Assume that any data you give any online company or service will be sold and monitized and retained forever, and that "delete my account" only deletes your access to it. Make your choices accordingly.
The site is huge. It's two miles square
You don’t remember Quake at all then or are confusing it with something else. Slime was abundant, it’s showcased along with the bio suit in E1M1. It has a tremendously distinctive player injury scream. The ever famous: “Player can't exist on slime alone” death message.

The whole game is sort of greenish and brownish. Like 90% of the textures have a vomit green aesthetic.
>>so why the fierce opposition?

Because anytime you pass unnecessary laws you open the future up to some judge somewhere, or some prosecutor some where twisting the words to mean something completely different

Happens all the time in society and the fact that people believe it is acceptable to simply duplicate laws is very dangerous

We need a massive curbing of the number of laws in society as it is, personally in think for every law that is passed they should be forced to repel one.
Codifying into law a dying system only prolongs it. Unless you have people from hyper local regions working together, no one can even tell caste. People from different parts of the same state in India can’t even tell apart castes.
Thanks for the details! That's a cool idea. Were you thinking of this one? It was posted 10 years ago. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5680011
In TX it depends what city, you can still find something in DFW that is affordable but might not be in a prime location. Housing here has gone up almost 50% in the last 8 years. 400k will typically get you an average nice smallish house but 600-800 will get you an extremely nice large house. Job market is decent, wages are good, quality of life is comfortable and affordable.

In places like Toronto, Canada, a house that cost 300k is now selling for 1.2 million 10-12 years later. A condo use to be something a first time buyer could afford but now they too have increased in price where 500 sq/ft -1000 sq/ft can run 700k to 1 Mil. Most folks can't afford the down payment and you need to be earning around 300k to even consider buying something with the interest rates at 7-8 %. I actually saw the price of a Condo I was watching go from 300k in Oct 2019 to 600k in April of 2020. It doubled in price in like 6 months. Housing was going up in price 1.5k -2k a week during the Pandemic.
I have an 11 and 6 year old. All they play is Roblox and Minecraft.
And now there's PEX!
This sounds fantastic, I've been learning Spanish for about 8 months and the most effective tool for building my vocab has been reading. My email is
da/vis/jo/nathan38/0 [at] gmail.com without the forwardslashes!
This looks like a big advance in alignment research. A big problem has been that LLMs were just a giant set of inscrutable numbers, and we had no idea what was going on inside.

But if this technique scales up, then Anthropic has fixed that. They can figure out what different groups of neurons are actually doing, and use that to control the LLM's behavior. That could help with preventing accidentally misaligned AIs.
> I guess you could argue that all Californians—regardless of their ethnicity—are prohibited from discriminating on the basis of caste.

The law would literally prohibit everyone from discriminating on the basis of caste. There's nothing arguable or debatable about that.

As I posted above, I think it's a valid point for Hindus to make that they feel kind of targeted, but the flip side of that is that they feel that way because they are the only major religion where this is a pervasive problem. The rest of us are known for other problems and faults lol...
Sometimes, type enough tokens and they no longer have any prior words written by the LLM in their context. Similarly the algorithms would still happily respond if some different and potentially completely unrelated LLM wrote the prior responses.

LLM’s are really best thought of as improv actors. The prompt is in effect just the current skit being preformed. The intentions of the character being played doesn’t imply the actor always has those intentions. So yes they can run through a knock knock joke across multiple prompts, but the need not have written the start of a joke to be able to make up an ending.
Pity the IT teams who are forced to administer these circumspect fridges because employees won't use Linux.
No. Their presumed nukes are more useful as a deterrent against more capable enemies that might develop their own nukes. And they'd immediately become an absolute pariah state. That would damage them in every way.
"Certainly the Constitution does not require discrimination on the basis of sex. The only issue is whether it prohibits it. It doesn't. Nobody ever thought that that's what it meant. Nobody ever voted for that. If the current society wants to outlaw discrimination by sex, hey we have things called legislatures, and they enact things called laws." -- Antonin Scalia

It would be great if we could trust that laws would be interpreted as general and comprehensive. But laws mean what the judges want them to mean, which can be narrow or broad depending on their inclination.

Right now the inclination of the top court is that if a protection isn't spelled out, then you don't have it.
The Bay Area is around 6%, on the same order of magnitude as people of Chinese (10%), black (6%), Filipino (5%) or Jewish (4.5%) ancestry in the Bay. Depending on exactly how you group things, they're the 4th (after white non-Hispanic, Hispanic, and Chinese) largest Bay Area ethnic group. (src: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Francisco_Bay_Area#/media/...)
+1000 for Clozemaster. After a lot of research it’s the one I most vibe with. I also do LingQ and WaniKani every day.

It’s perfect because it doesn’t demand much, you can do other thing a at the same time even, is extremely straightforward but is also incredibly productive.

I will also give recommendations to Language Transfer, Drops, and good old Anki.
It’s impossible for it to get entrenched because people from India can’t even tell a persons caste unless they are from the same cluster of towns and villages. This is Indian “county specific” knowledge that cannot survive a cosmopolitan society.
Would you use the same logic to argue in favor of California updating it's law to remove listing race, sex, color, and ancestry from the list of explicitly defined prohibitions?

The argument in the case of caste is that it's already covered by way of the law presently prohibiting discrimination based on "ancestry". But additionally, the law prohibits discrimination based on "genetic information", which seems like it would cover race, sex, and ancestry. Color, probably, too, unless that's intended to protect clowns and the sun tanned.

Edit: Similarly, would you say California erred back in 2005 when they amended the law to specifically include sexual orientation, as courts were already using the existing law to rule against sexual orientation (on the basis of it being also sex based discrimination, see like Rolon v. Kulwitzky back in 84)?
When I was in basic research I thought that concept development and prototyping represented the hard part of the work, requiring actual brain power. Show it works and the rest is "engineering." Then, I moved to industry where products have to meet size, weight, and power restrictions, be manufacturable, testable, deployable, and usable by people who have other things to do. Aircraft usually come down so add serviceability. For most space applications, it's even more stressing.

Even within engineering disciplines there's a tendency to "throw the design over the wall to manufacturing." It usually leads to bad news.

The transition from TRL(Technology Readiness Level) 4 to TRL 7 in NASA's parlance is called the "Valley of Death" for good reason.

https://mkainsights.com/insights/fundamentals-operations/trl...
The whole point is that existing laws do not clearly do so: they aren't discriminating against gender, race, religion, politics, or any of the other examples Newsom pointed to. That this discrimination is occurring is not up for debate, it is objective fact, which demonstrates the existing laws are not sufficient.
I just shop at AliExpress instead of Amazon. All the same exact stuff, but typically half to a tenth of the cost. I just have to settle with longer shipping times, which is fine, if I need something now-now, I can just go buy it locally.
Would have been funnier if you said Jira :-)
Given that Apple already had a way to unhide the private info, and that we are on the .0 release, this could just be a bug. It could be a new thing going in the log that isn’t working right.

Also, I can see why ShareKit has potential to contain very private info. I don’t know that I’d love for my computer to save a list of share sheet activity in plain text.

> If you used Macs before Sierra, chances are that you were happy to browse their logs when necessary

Citation needed, I say chances are 99% of Mac owners have never opened system logs.
Y Combinator hires Yelp veteran to lead public policy
I don't think Mormonism/LDS has anything like the Hindu caste system (I neither know nor care about Scientology)

I'd be interested to know whether any other major religion has anything quite like the caste system.
Suspicious timing. The current attacks in Israel are trying to detail the normalization of relations between Saudi Arabia and Israel.
"Continuing to use the apple fridges requires a subscription to applecare to fix and diagnose any problems we previously could fix, the TCO of this hardware is now higher...."
I’ve been debugging and fixing my Macs on my own (well, with internet help of course) for 20 years. They’re still more flexible than windows imo.
Yep, this - the process isn't hard but it is tedious. W/ ARIN you also have some waiting to do - and must register as a business and pay that registration fee.
No, it's the children who are wrong.
Well we know the discrimination happens, and currently is not prevented by courts.

The harm to businesses, is that say you own a business and don't want to serve people of the wrong caste, now you can't. That's very damaging to you as you want to be a bigot but you've lost that freedom.
Oil-Canning
Indians can’t even tell castes unless they are from essentially the same county/local cluster. This is only really a problem because you have a lot of people from the same part of Andra pradesh coming and working in the tech sector.
I am surprised that most animals prefer to work for it.

While feeding wildlife is probably still unwise, does it change behaviour as much as people claim it does then?
Thanks for the tip. Maybe this will replace my shell automysqlbackup script.
there is an interview with a person from India involved in a caste discrimination lawsuit that people should watch: https://youtu.be/XhGZUE1ABuo?si=r9DVUDAoexoS0-aB

they make similar arguments about why they feel the bill is a bad idea
80% of discrete desktop GPUs, 90% of “datacenter”.
It is accounted for: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unruh_Civil_Rights_Act

"...the unlawful discrimination is in part based on a person's sex, race, color, religion, *ancestry*..."
Russia-Ukraine stories were almost always removed.
Here is also an example of VeroRoute for Stripboard design.[0]

There is VeeCAD[1] mentioned, another similar app that is opensource now (but it is Win/WINE).[2]

VeroRoute looks more advanced than VeeCAD.

Two other similar apps in Java: BlackBoard[3] and DIYLC[4]

N.B. Many other apps listed on EEVblog's forum.[5]

[0] https://www.diyaudio.com/community/threads/show-us-your-vero...

[1] https://veecad.com

[2] https://veecad.com/yabb/YaBB.pl?num=1569498190

[3] https://github.com/mpue/blackboard

[4] https://github.com/bancika/diy-layout-creator

[5] https://www.eevblog.com/forum/eda/pcbeda-software-list/msg14...
I like the change of $ to <|

Dollar signs are so noisy and opaque.
Same. No one even brings up caste at all, except very rarely in the context of someone's parents back in India wanting a spouse for their child overseas (for arranged marriages) to be of a similar caste(like date/marriage racial preferences in the west). Things are changing fast in India and that is becoming rarer as time goes on.

Very strange that it comes up a lot on HN for some reason. I'm not higher caste and I never felt anyone has ever mistreated me in professional or personal life.
I believe that is exactly the one I ran into.

One library required DeriveAnyClass, another library required GeneralizedNewtypeDeriving. I couldn't enable both into one file at once, and I couldn't split the definition into two files. In other words: you're screwed. DerivingStrategies solved this, but that came out years after the problem started.

As to the "poorly documented":

I believe at the time neither the docs for DeriveAnyClass nor those for GeneralizedNewtypeDeriving mentioned the issue even existed, let alone a potential workaround.

A lot of other extensions have documentation written for computer scientists, not for programmers who just want to use it. It was not unusual for me to end up enabling an extension because some library required it, opening up the docs and having literally zero clue what was going on, and just end up copy/pasting the example code and praying it worked.

Extensions like OverloadedLists are totally fine, but once you get beyond the "Syntax" section the docs quickly become unreadable for most people not actively researching programming languages. It's not unusual for the docs here to start with "more details can be found in the paper XYZ", and be filled with terminology which is neither explained in-place nor have a link to an explanation.

When I read docs, I quickly want to know 1) what it is 2) why it is needed 3) how I can use it 4) what the implications are. From my personal experience, the GHC docs simply do not provide me with these.
I'm not sure if you noticed, but there are already legal protections for discrimination on basis of race and religion.

> There's a vast array of prejudices and grievances in most cultures. Are you going to enumerate them all?

Are you going to enumerate them all in defense of caste discrimination on the faulty logic that we have to eliminate every other possible injustice before we tackle caste discrimination?
“I'm telling the people of Gaza: get out of there now, because we're about to act everywhere with all our force," from Agence France-Presse, via Barrons.

https://www.barrons.com/news/israel-pm-vows-to-turn-gaza-s-h...
Not sure, this is my first interview with a larger company and there is one (cashapp)
The analogy here isn't quite the same though: you can pledge allegiance, but you aren't required to. A bill saying that you are now required would be a change in obligations, and patriotic citizens might still oppose that.

This bill, however, is proscriptive: it is saying that you cannot perform an action. It's a hard case to say that we shouldn't put that restriction into law while also believing that discrimination should be restricted.
Adding to the list!
You’re right these are good. Ty!
This is hilarious. The idea that the typical IT admin wishes that Linda in Marketing would use Linux is so divorced from reality.

IT just wants a fleet of systems that are easy to automatically deploy, patch, and restrict dangerous actions on. The easier they are for the lowest common denominator employee to use, the fewer tickets get opened.

The idea that your IT team will ever waste their time crawling through your local system logs is unrealistic.

I’m not saying the log shouldn’t be there or shouldn’t function properly, I just think that macOS being commercial and popular makes it very easy to administer compared to a Linux desktop. You just buy off the shelf products like Jamf and click a few buttons and that’s about it, voila, you have a managed fleet.

The architectural elegance of the system is secondary to the amount of labor cost it saves.

You can even order a computer directly from Apple shipped to your employee’s house and have it zero touch provisioned. I’d love to see a Linux laptop with that capability (really, I would love to see it).
You have to be upper caste to not have to think about caste.

That being said, I’ve seen very little evidence of this as well.

Which makes it even more perplexing why groups would oppose the addition of caste among the list of factors on which someone can be discriminated.

I do think Newsom is right in that it’s covered under current ancestry laws (proponents point to a case in NY decades ago when ancestry wasn’t included). Clearly the CA govt actually believes that because they’re sued Cisco over caste discrimination a few years ago.

But again, I don’t see why people are opposing adding it to the list. If it’s added and redundant it makes no difference, except then they can point to the lack of caste based discrimination in the U.S. based on the low number of such cases that have succeeded.
To expand on that, there is the Trick That Cannot Be Explained. Magicians always have "outs," which means an alternate ending if the expected one doesn't happen as planned. In The Trick That Cannot Be Explained, the magician takes advantage of the fact that you rarely say what they should expect next... so you roll with whatever happens until you can wind it into something that looks amazing. Pompous magicians call it "jazzing" because they don't like to admit that as long as you know 52 tricks, you can guarantee a solid outcome.

In the Berglas Effect, that is one of the outs that is taken immediately - if the spectator chooses a correct card and location, then they (obviously) just stick with it. Why add anything else to it... this is a bona fide miracle already!

That's not the full method for the Berglas effect. But that's the method that makes the trick amazing, and the version everyone remembers on those occasions that it ends with the spectator happening to choose correctly.

When they don't, other things are done to make sure the answer still appears to be correct. There are dozens of versions for accomplishing this. Berglas is definitely the guy who demonstrated how the trick can transcend viewer logic.
I think the fear is that sb403 would have ended up with a lot of allegations of caste discrimination when there was none, specifically in situations where bitter employees are upset about not being promoted (for example) and are desperate to find a reason for anything but their performance. This sounds harsh, but I'm trying to explain the reasoning.

Take a look at the Cisco case (tmk the only known legal case of caste discrimination in California). The case was dropped with prejudice because the allegations were found to be lies. Tech industry was afraid of this kind of situation being widespread.