> > The default position to keep people alive hell or high water is order of the day!

> This is a bizarre claim and it is untrue, and evidence free.

Have you been trained in first aid? The law used to be that first aid needed to be given until a doctor declared the person dead.

One of my red cross trainers, told us how he got into trouble with a judge at coroners court, when someone suicided in front of train ending up in parts spread quite a distance. They had to gather what they could, but there was no way first aid could have been administered, but they did their best to collect the parts. Ambulance or doctor turned up declared the person dead.

At the coroners court, the red cross first aider was giving their account to the judge, and made the mistake of referring to the person as dead before the ambulance or doctor had declared them dead. The judge tore him another arsehole!

Now this is going back a few decades, different train designs like european hgv trailers have underbelly side impact bars, but that red cross trainer told us, how we have to be careful how we word things, if we end up in a situation which needs to go to court.

I doubt that red cross trainer is alive today, but it stuck with me all these decades and I owe it to them to make administering first aid less traumatic when those situations arise. They were dam good people!

This is what makes the law an ass, and treats the public as assets.

I've looked into the Lions things, and others like what you describe.

Most people have a mobile phone and whilst its got the emergency number facility where someone can call one or more of the emergency numbers on it, the security services know where everyone is. This was demonstrated when Lee Rigby was killed, but because it was military outside a barracks, ergo a potential premature act that could have been more like 911, every phone in the country was pinged to workout where everyone was. So the security services can work out who the likely victim is even before the ambulance staff have turned up.

So why cant the govt let people state in advance which can be updated at will, in the event of X, do this, and in the event of Y, do that.

If I was involved in an accident, there are some things I would want to refuse and just be euthanised.I have been Red cross trained in rescue situations, like earthquakes, mine shafts etc, but not up to date.

Everyone is going to be different, but with the technology and surveillance that exists today, I dont see why people have to be kept alive just because the law demands it, it removes our autonomy.

That loss of autonomy is how the legal system is ruining my mental health and I dare say others who wont speak out because its their job on the line! So how is that fair if the law is supposed to be there to protect us, when its causing some people mental health issues?

I'm also aware of police procedures to split a party up in the event of an accident which could be life threatening in order to find out if it was murder or not by someone in the group, in a scenario of someone falling down the side of a mountain. I'm also aware of how employees of the state use their kids as well, like the police using their kids to go check stuff out to spy on people!

Had it done to me at school by the police!