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It looks weird without javascript, there's this huge slab of colour on the left, and the script eats up half of a core (Firefox 11). Are all blogs in Svbtle centrally hosted? Not just federated?
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Don't be so condescending, you didn't read my entire post. To quote myself:

> POST (and restricting to same-origin)

I still don't think it's possible to forge the referer header on an uncompromised browser.
No hard evidence, I remember reading about it when I moved to the UK.

To me it simply means: in times of stress/danger, don't panic, don't lose your focus. I find it very inspirational. There's almost always a solution to our problems, but it's harder to find if we're not in the right state of mind.
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I made a quick mockup. Is this what you had in mind? (Warning: not a design person) http://i.imm.io/jQMl.png

Such a thing might be useful. Don't know how much an auto-updating feed would impact the very non-live vibe I get from HN, but it'd change post distributions and such for sure. The feature I'd personally love to see is the ability to collapse chains of comments without using an external script. :)
I'm not very well-versed in this type of stuff but I want to ask you an honest question: Is creating an open-source alternative to a closed-source software considered theft?
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I realize that you cannot learn Mandarin over night, as with programming. However, surely after 10 years worth of basics, I should have progressed further than I have.
Why call him "Dean" when his name is "Dustin"? Is that part of the joke I missed?
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That is completely ridiculous.
As much as I would love to have access to svbtle I think this ia very good clone which goes too far. Perhaps it would have been a bit more acceptable to take inspiration from the great drafting/publishing pattern which is what makes Svbtle great in my eyes, without mostly copying the UI. I understand you were probably just trying to make a great tool available to the community (Thanks!) but I think you're maybe giving off a false and malicious intent
Fixed, apologies.
That's just it! I understand that solution perfectly, it just doesn't seem to sink in/work for me. I've been doing 10 years worth of basics and still can't progress.
I'm still eagerly waiting for an e-ink version to show up.
You didn't fix all of them, search again
I have a feeling that if it was an actual font it would be an unreadable mess below 30pt or so.
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Thank you for the feedback. Perhaps I did go too far. I will reduce the visual similarities and push up a less similar version. It really only took a few minutes to reproduce.
He was "right" in that he made a prediction that did not come anywhere near true?

Sorry, he was wrong.

As to the 2nd point about x86 vs "RISC" processors, it turns out he was so massively wrong the very basis of his understanding was incorrect. CISC processors are dead today, they stopped being a substantial part of the market in the late 90s. I'm sure they still exist somewhere in new devices (RAD hardened Pentiums, perhaps) but for the most part the CISC vs RISC battle is over, and RISC won overwhelmingly. But Tannenbaum thought that a necessary consequence of that would be that the x86 architecture would die due to the weaknesses of CISC processor designs. But what actually happened is that Intel (and later AMD and others of course) started making processors with a RISC core that support the x86 (IA32) instruction set through transparent op-code translation. Every Intel cpu since the Pentium-Pro has worked that way (and every AMD CPU since the Athlon).

You can't just wave your hands and say "yeah, but he was fundamentally right in some ways though there were some things he couldn't have foreseen". That's part of the deal, there's always something that you can't foreseen. Imagining that CISC's weaknesses are identical to the weaknesses of the x86 architecture are just the sort of naivety and shallow reasoning that can lead you to make woefully wrong predictions.
"theft" is so incorrect that you damage the credibility of your argument by using the term.

You have a social/emotional complaint: someone took your good idea (and kudos to you: it's a great idea!), and duplicated it. But it's recognized (and documented here) that you were the progenitor of the idea, and if you eventually open source the original, I can't see how this will "hurt" you. People have an innate sense of fairness, and duplicating ideas like this goes against it in a small way.

But it's not theft (or even copyright infringement), and by overreacting you are going to alienate people who would otherwise be sympathetic.
Completely agree with the "don't want to pay for software" bit. Heck, they don't want to pay for ANYTHING. Pirated windows, pirated accounting software, cheapass website because they look for the cheapest deal... the list is endless.
If you're science editor for a media organisation, you shouldn't even need to look at the video to know that it's fake.

If you lack the elementary mechanical knowledge to immediately assert it's impossibility from the description alone, you are unqualified to do your job IMO.

I suppose there was that whole blag about an "exoskeleton" but that's no excuse. Occam's razor and all that.
This is fantastic advice, I have tried Euler in the past and struggled on the first question haha. I think when things pick-up from the basics of variables, classes, objects etc, that's where I start going wrong. I know about the mechanics of programming, it's using the tools to solve problems is where I go wrong.
It depends what their purpose is in doing this.

If it is simply a screen to avoid applicants who would be massively unsuitable , membership of extreme political parties or heavily into drugs etc then perhaps not.

Otherwise you might need a form from HR for each social network you join.

The way I imagine this will play out in practice is that you will get companies who are "social reference agencies" or similar.

They will have special privileges with facebook etc and will be hired by other companies to screen applicant based on a number of factors and will produce a report for the client company that probably wouldn't contain any specific data etc but simply screen for any "red flags".
Also not passing judgment, but here's a comment from that thread that might be relevant here:

"I'm super impressed you turned this out so quickly. I think that really sums up the spirit in the HN community...
When you look at something that seems overpriced (or wrongly-priced) and you say "hey, I bet I could do this""
And for additional information, he does not have the ability to make that restriction (in the US).

Typefaces can not be copyrighted. (The actual font file can be, but not the shape of the letters.)

This is a slightly edge case since the letters have considerably more art to them than the typical letter, but they are still letters, and he has no legal ability to restrict what people do with how they look.

If calligraphy can not be copyrighted (and it can not), then this can't be either. So his license does not have any force of law behind it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intellectual_property_protectio...

His page mentions that he is from Hungary, and this restriction may have the force of law there, I don't know.
Copied your work. It's ridiculous, of course, but you won't win any fans here with linguistic imprecision.
If he's using your code, you have something to say, otherwise, not really, thankfully. I don't want to live in a world where SCO wins, or Apple puts the kibosh on Microsoft for creating an interface with icons and windows.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Computer,_Inc._v._Microso...

I think you should calm down, take a deep breath, accept the compliment, and see how you can work together. It sounds like he'd be happy to help you make it 'ready' faster.
Haha yeah, I love that article, I've been reading it for the past couple of years to motivate me, I've even got a print out! :D
There is no original thought here, the design and idea are identical, whether it's technically right or wrong, this shouldn't be encouraged.

Feel for you here dcurtis, and surprised people are actually behind this.
I'm really not condoning the infringement here or trying to act as Captain Hindsight. But having shown something brilliant but closed to a community of interested and talented people, did you not partially expect this?
So a startup takes a few lines of code from 37 Signals, modifies it for their layout and the web world is up in arms, but this guy takes Dustin's exact design and gives it away and it's not theft?

Maybe if he just took the idea, with the ideas/published and simplified writing screen, he may have a case, but this is clearly stealing the design.
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The article was a bit difficult to follow, perhaps due to liberal use of 'Indian' English and missing prepositions. Sorry, I know this is meta - I would like to hear what you have to say and would likely find it interesting. I would appreciate if you were to revise your writing so that it is more readable. I believe you are capable of it.
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> Is creating an open-source alternative to a closed-source software considered theft?

Not under any definition of "theft" in use outside IP troll offices, as far as I know.
If the design wasn't so similar you wouldn't even notice it's a "rip off".

Plus, your value is not the app, it's the people in the network, so stay calm and let us not-so-cool people use the open-source clone.
It really depends how far you can go with redefining a word.

This will be especially difficult because I imagine if you asked 10 HN readers what their personal definition of a "hacker" was you would probably get 10 different definitions.

If you are trying to imply a "hacker" as somebody who is in someway superior to the average software dev then what criteria would you put in place?

What is to stop any kid who read a bunch of PHP tutorials and can put together a simple blog app from calling him/herself a hacker?
I don't think you should change anything. You put it together in a few hours and I don't see a valid reason for changing it.

One guy being annoyed that his super-elite design can be replicated in a matter of hours is not a reason to backtrack.
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In terms of design, yes. He didn't just make something that performs the same function. He took Dustin's ideas and visual design so directly that it might even legally count as copyright infringement. Since dcurtis's work is not licensed for this use, making a copy might not be legal. And since he wanted to keep it closed for a while, lifting all his hard work into your own project is not cool.
Never said the motivation was because it was invite-only, I just wanted something similar so I created it. I've modified it somewhat, is it still a "rip-off"? Let me know how much more I should modify it before it isn't a "rip-off".
This is what I call svbtle.
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They do not offer to delete either (though they do give you some controls, which is way more than most other tracking services). Prove me wrong.
Yes, this is exactly right on both counts. He's not making an argument about a generic open source POSIX operating system being dominant, he's making a specific argument about Hurd, the GNU kernel. Which, incidentally, still hasn't been released.
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I'm probably reading too much into it, but to me, "Keep Calm and Carry On" resonates very well with entrepreneurial spirit. A great reminder that even in defeat there is no need for drama: keep calm, carry on (& create something new!)
Considering https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3435416

Yes?
There are two aspects here:

One is the visual design, and even the author agrees that it's probably too similar: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3744356

The other is the idea/concept. Creating open-source versions of unique ideas is nothing new and I doubt you'll see much sympathy on this front.
The difference is they were stealing + hotlinking 37 Signals assets. If this guy has genuinely not copied any code or assets, then it's not the same.
Open Source as many parts as possible and provide private data to your customers. I think the data format is less important than good documentation of how to use it again.
Sure, Dustin doesn't have the the trademarks for svbtle registered (yet), but completely ripping off someone else's work or defending the action is neither honorable nor moral.

You can't go around putting the Coke label on different fizzy beverages.

Svbtle is obviously popular for its brand. You are stealing its brand and using it for unintended purposes. The only value in what you've created is that it looks like Dustin's work.

Ripping that off wholesale diminishes the value of something Dustin work(ed/s) very hard to create and curate. Thousands of decisions went into that design. The design is a mark of quality.

Show some respect.
Good job with this. I forked it in case you get a change of heart.
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OP needs to read this: http://drawar.com/d/the-language-of-design/
How is it a ripoff to see something and build your own version? It's not like he copied your codebase or logos or anything else. Is a Mercedes E-Series a rip-off of a BMW 5-series?

I guess thats why many of you US guys like patents and shit so much. It just makes no effing sense.

He created everything from scratch as far as I am able to see from the GH repo. Thats completely fine with me.
Wow, just wow.

Guess people really like pirates then, of course, this is Hacker News after all.
> Is creating an open-source alternative to a closed-source software considered theft?

No, never, as long as the open-source alternative doesn't actually copy any copyrightable material from the original (such as images or other data). And I don't see any signs of that here.

On the contrary, creating an open-source alternative to closed-source software is considered awesome.
You really should never have copied the design at all. That is not even where most of the value of Curtis's idea is...
I am the author. Pardon the poor English. Can you give me a couple of example phrases? I'll maybe try to re-write.

Another person also complained about the writing, so an opportunity to learn here. :)

[Edit: I see feedback below. I'll take another pass soon.]
What Dustin did, is build a blogging engine he wanted to use himself. He then invited people he respected to write on the platform, people he knew would deliver a certain standard of quality that he'd love to connect his name to.

He never said the platform would never be opened, in fact it looked like he might do just that some day.

What you did was not just use a concept (add idea to list, expand on it and then publish it when ready), you just took his entire design and published it to the public. Taking a concept and opensourcing it is fine, copying a design and mocking the original creator is not.

As much as I'd like to use Dustin's blogging engine (it's the way I'd like to write), I will never use yours out of principle.
That's not true. Making a "new" version of something that is intentionally a copy of something else is copyright infringement. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ReactOS#Internal_audit Only clean-room reverse engineering is good enough to avoid copyright claims in the US.
creating a look-alike product is different than copy-paste.
If we're "just sayin'" there's another quote from the same thread:

> But the fact is - they created something and shared it here. If you think you can do a better job at it - fine, but why haven't you done it before, or at the very least named it differently. I don't mean to exaggerate, but it just doesn't feel ethical to me.
It was only a matter of time, really.
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> One guy being annoyed that his super-elite design can be replicated in a matter of hours is not a reason to backtrack.

It took Curtis a lifetime of experience to end up with this design. Simplicity doesn't mean there wasn't hard work behind it.
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currently I work for a software product company and have plans to do a startup soon. Since, I will be starting as a single developer, I was looking for some niche product ideas and came up with this idea.

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thanks.
Ah a blog post, written by a tech person, posted to a tech-heavy website.

This will surely reach the target audience.
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dcurtis is a professional designer. The amount of work that went into the design of the app was probably huge. If he's making his living as a designer, ripping off his design against his wishes could actually damage his business.
That hotlinking came up only later in the discussion. It definitely started with some of their pages having the same structure as some 37signal pages to great dismay of the community.
You've deliberately recreated someone's work with the intention of offering a competing product. Legalities aside, it's pretty damn rude. Yes, it's a rip-off. (I don't use that phrase lightly and I'm usually all for remixing, which this isn't.)
That reminded me of pg's start.html:

"It's very dangerous to let anyone fly under you. If you have the cheapest, easiest product, you'll own the low end. And if you don't, you're in the crosshairs of whoever does."
> Just wait until Svbtle is finished and open to the public.

Does that mean it will be open to _anyone_ and no longer only to people considered to be "intelligent, creative, and witty"?
Thats the joke...
If you copied the articles, yes. If you copied the design using none of their assets or code, no. Copying it definitely is, stealing it definitely isn't (at least not in the legal sense, the moral sense is debatable.)

You should have confidence that you will win because you can implement it better, understand the need better, can craft better solutions faster, and have better content on your network. If those things aren't true and all you had was an idea, unfortunately this was bound to happen.

Ideas alone are not defensible, practically or even legally. Successful implementations thereof can be however.
Under European law this would be copyright infringement on account of copying the design. Don't believe it holds in the US, but I'm not 100% sure.
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For me, wanting to set up my own blog soon, this ripoff is a goldmine. It's very easy to start off from the current state of obtvse, customize the look and implement custom features, and (hopefully) Nate and others will provide updates to the engine. I say it's a gift to all of us.
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On an iPad3 a 12pt font would be about 44 pixels high or so.
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How different would you say his parody of your site is than your site is of http://drawar.com/ ?
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I do not care when I travel which carrier my phone will pick. It will work, nothing to do and I know what it will cost in advance.

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Is it just me or is it really silly to fight over who really owns the UI of a rails app that can be made in a few hours.

In my opinion the layout of a blogging website falls more in the realm of fashion than intellectual property.

Some real intellectual property here is Rails itself which thankfully is open.
Imitation, flattery, and so forth.

Taking an existing closed system and opening it is a pretty fundamental part of the hacker ethic. However, it must be done in good faith and good taste.

This is neither. Yes, it's quite hard to draw the line for such things--how big does a company have to be before it's ok? It's a tough question, but despite that ethical uncertainty, this case is pretty clearly on the side of "not ok". Disregarding more complicated moral aspects, this just isn't nice.

I really don't think nwienert's intentions were bad, but I think he should reevaluate the choice he made here.
Copyright infringement? Where is that mentioned on that Wikipedia article?
dcurtis - don't worry about Obtvse.

Just keep improving Svbtle and release it when it's ready.