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I agree with the original ticket poster but if someone creates a patch adding an option as suggested, this should be good enough?
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It would if it was just a rote statement that they hadn't thought about.

A bit like the call centers which effusively state "I'd be more than happy to help you with that" after each thing you say to them.
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Its a real shame that people will seek any excuse to misrepresent what one says-- as you do-- because they choose to feel offended.

If you'll read what I wrote, you'll notice that I was granting a possibility to the people who disagree with me about open plan office spaces-- and there are a number who have done this in this thread-- by saying that maybe for some types of work the interruptions are not as expensive.

Rather than accuse me of saying something I didn't say in an attempt to feel superior, and thus bring down the quality of hacker news (as seems to be the trend these days), you could have taken what I said, considered it in context and responded. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe designers need as much flow as programmers do.
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The best thing about Mikko Hyppönen is no-one can spell his name the same way twice (including him - the rock and roll umlaut comes and goes). This makes him an absolutely awesome case for detecting people by name in text corpuses. Once you've solved it for Mikko, most other Western names present little in the way of issues.
I guess that would apply equally to companies who botched their statement of apology but actually took a lot of steps to improve things.

The point is that over time this makes the apology itself moot.
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"Women: Need another beer? Let one of our friendly (female) event staff get that for you."

I suppose it varies with culture, but I can't imagine any of the women I know getting upset about that line.

So a genuine question, are we getting to a point where you need to think so much before actually saying anything? Personally, even if I were the butt of a mildly racist joke I would probably enjoy the joke than be offended.
For me it's the 'inspirational' music.

If he really has the power to weight ratio of a bird, which I doubt as he doesn't have hollow bones and chest muscles that are half the volume of his torso, he wouldn't need to ridiculous music to sell his dream.
Looks interesting.

I can certainly see the benefits for conference organisers. I also think it might be popular for restaurants/bars who normally obtain business cards (to add to mailing list) for entry into monthly prize draws.

How are you obtaining a person's email address from a text message?
I'm a bit torn on this whole issue, I wonder if somebody could give me some perspective. There are two conflicting things I don't like here. In the first place, I don't like when people are so sensitive that there's no room for a harmless joke. In most cases I really would say "oh come on lighten up." On the other hand, among us computer programmers, there's so much social ineptness (and perhaps outright disrespect for women, but I'm giving the benefit of the doubt because I really don't understand why it would be particularly prevalent here, other than perhaps a result of ineptness) on the part of the males that a lot of it really isn't so harmless. Not necessarily because it sets out to make women uncomfortable, it's just not funny. And if it's not genuinely funny, the only conclusion women (having better taste than men, I hope I'm not sexist for saying so) can draw is that they're being disrespected.

I feel like this joke is somewhere on the line. In a world where people aren't putting pornography in their slide presentations for no apparent reason, maybe we could take this joke at face value (ha ha, we're all sex deprived computer nerds who would do anything to interact with women for a second). On the other hand it's not particularly funny (and I didn't really get the joke before they explained it), and in this world I can have some sympathy for the women.

I guess my ultimate point is, and I'd like to hear what others here think, I hope it's not too late to turn this around, such the solution is more genuine respect and tact so we can safely go back to actual harmless jokes, rather than this turning into another "PC police" scenario that's going to start making us uncomfortable for different reasons.
This is good, and I like it, but I wonder if we're not painting this in too much black-and-white. It's certainly possible to feel sorry that you expressed your opinions in ways that others found offensive, without feeling sorry you had those opinions. In this case you are really sorry about your choice of words, not the intent of your message. That's okay. It doesn't have to be one way or the other.

I'm not going to try to defend these bozos, so let's try some crazy made-up example.

For instance, I might have an opinion that we should bring back slavery. A totally offensive opinion, yes, but dammit, I'm entitled to have it. In this case I very well may be sorry that I brought it up on MLK day, or that I interjected it in your discussion about feeding the poor, but I'm not really sorry for feeling the way I do.

That's okay -- the part about differentiating between being sorry for being rude and being sorry for ideas, not the part about supporting slavery. People should never have to be sorry for expressing their opinions, only expressing them poorly.

We need to make sure we are not trying to tell people how to think. We can challenge them, call them out, ask them questions, demand an apology for their being rude or offensive, yes, but we change people's thinking by gentle persuasion, not by public mockery or lynch mobs. If we're not careful, the only thing we're going to teach misogynistic youngsters is to bullshit on the net better. And that's not good for anybody.

That's why the apology was weak -- because it was for the wrong reasons, shame instead of understanding. (And I don't think beating them up in public further is going to do much good. In fact, I think we've long past the point of actually doing something useful with this story.)

Or to put this in a business context, it's okay to have policies people don't like, and it's certainly appropriate to apologize if you've expressed your policies in a way that offended people. But it's not okay for a mob to dictate to you what your policies should be. They're two different things.
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And where exactly did I say it wasn't work? I said that it might not have the same interruptions costs, and I said this as a way of acknowledging the people in this thread who say that they think open plan offices are great.

So, what you did, was, you cut out a few words, removing all context, and then pretended like there was no context, and put words in my mouth implying I denigrated a certain type of work.

In short, you told a lie.

Disagree with me if you like. In fact, the whole point of that addendum was to acknowledge that some will disagree with me.

But lying about what I said like that? In an attempt to pretend like I said something offensive so you can be offended?

Childish.
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AR looks interesting, but for this to work internationally, it needs to support other languages.
How, you ask, can we tell if a smooth-sounding apology is genuine? Well, that "What we're going to do about it" part really shines through here. That's not just coming from the PR department, or if it is then it's a rather unusual company. Besides, if the apology is made sincerely and publicly and efforts are made to prevent a recurrence then I'm not sure I CARE whether it is "genuine" -- the effect is the same either way.
In essence, the author seems to be applying a lot of the same principles used in machine learning to the way he thinks. The amazing part is that he's able to do this consciously.

I wonder if we'll ever be able to find a general solution for this problem, I've tried and ultimately failed in my last startup, but I think one of the biggest problem facing such startups isn't that this technology is hard, it's that people don't want it.

People enjoy processing more info than they can handle.
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I see someone read "Quiet". It all depends on the people on the team. Some people work great in the same room. Some people don't. You've got to either pick your people based on office configuration, or pick your office configuration based on your people -- I'll take the latter.
I can't and won't defend these guys, but I remember my teenage years, and I remember being pretty shallow when it came to women. Looking around, I suspect many other males were the same way.

I got over this by slowly growing up, not by having a crowd tell me I was an ass. I think if the crowd had pressured me back then, I'd tell them to go jump in a lake.

These guys were wrong, no two ways about it. My concern is that we've created a system where kids can't go out and get drunk, make racy comments about girls -- basically act like kids -- without the entire world coming down on their head. Everything you do online lasts forever. That doesn't sound like a good thing at all.
A form of this will probably be in ES6:

http://people.mozilla.org/~jorendorff/es6-draft.html#sec-11....
Uh, that's awesome. Actually really well laid out and visually appealing, and understandable.

EDIT: ooh actually, could do with an option to remove/add the sliding time selection. I'm finding it hard to revert to my current local time once I've moved the selection.
Sequels just make more sense. They are cheaper, pull a large crowd, and help promote the franchise in general (i.e. sell more toy lightsabers and the "Special Edition box-set"). They are also more predictable - you've got a better idea of both the costs, and the audience numbers.

Hollywood has rarely had many great new ideas. Maybe a lot of good ideas get tested in TV series now. DVD sales of series are pretty big, and TV quality work is much better. You only really need movie-quality production for "awesome action scenes" now. Most TV production is good enough.
Sqoot now has a statement on their blog that is better, especially when it comes to the "humor" part:

http://blog.sqoot.com/we-can-do-better-an-apology-from-sqoot
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Bah! Those few interesting jobs that are in the UK, they're in London, pft! Can't move down there for a few years but can't wait until I can. :-)
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This is a very interesting topic. The thing is that an apology doesn't really make any sense unless the person offering it is actually sorry (for what happened, not that they got caught).

I see three different kinds of cases:

1) You do something that has a consequence that you didn't intend and you immediately regret it, like spilling coffee on someone.

2) You say or do something that you don't find offensive until you realize that the other person has a reason to be offended ("my mother is a redhead, you know!")

3) You say or do something you don't find offensive, but the other person does.

Now for #1, the apology will be sincere and it's easy to offer. With #2 it's harder but still possible but if like #3 you basically don't think you did anything wrong but just think the other party is uptight or over sensitive, it doesn't really make any sense to make an apology. People do all the time obviously and it can be the only way to move forward.
Here's a more readable version of the same conclusion, from Consumer Reports. http://news.consumerreports.org/electronics/2012/03/our-test...
Many comments to my initial post point out that YC is not a charity. We can all agree on that.

Prep schools are businesses too, BTW. And yes, businesses have a responsibility to their shareholders to maximize profits. But if that was the only purpose of any business, everyone would be selling luxury watches.

YC is not a pension fund putting money in a VC; YC "makes it happen". They invest in very early stage companies because they believe that they can help them succeed (and they do).

In 2004-2005, PG famously predicted the second coming of Apple; if he had put all of his money in Apple stock then, he would be 17 times richer today. And yet that's not what he did. At the same time he was making this prediction, he founded YC.

- - -

I can't seem to explain myself clearly, but I'll give it another try.

The total return of an investment fund is really the return on a very few top investments, which tend to dwarf all others.

Now, if you had a magic prediction device that let you identify for certain the next Google, it wouldn't make sense from a profit-maximizing point of view to invest money in any other company: just put all your money in the next Google and you're done.

It's safe to assume that YC, who have been in business for 7 years (really 14 since they have 2 rounds per year) are getting better at what they do. They should be able to predict who's likely to succeed and who's not, better and better each year.

Therefore in all logic they should be reducing the number of startups they fund: put more money in sure winners and don't fund anybody else.

And yet they're doing the exact opposite: each batch is larger than the previous one.

There can be only two explanations to this: either they're getting worse and worse, and are spreading their bets; or, they're getting better and better and can afford to offer their services to more and more companies.

It seems likely that the second option is the correct one.
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Like orblivion in his comment [1], I too didn't initially understand what was so sexist about that line, then I clicked through to the Cloudmine blog-post on the issue, which had a screenshot of the event posting in question [2].

This made it clearer: that line is not addressing women, it's addressing the event attendees and listing "Women" as one of the perks, because "friendly (female) event staff" get beers for the attendees. It's difficult to believe how a company can offer up "women" as a 'perk', and not expect the reaction that followed.

On a completely different note: it's extremely annoying having to hunt down links when they have exactly the same styling as the surrounding text, like in the Cloudmine blog. [3]

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[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3733914

[2] https://img.skitch.com/20120320-fmsc5mciy8e7n3nxhakmegxxg9.p...

[3] http://blog.cloudmine.me/post/19639692371/sexism-in-tech
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You say that, we've had quite a bit of interest from up north so don't lose faith just yet! The more we can encourage the Hacker culture to expand beyond London the better.
That doesn't indicate neurotoxicity though.

Involuntary movements are caused by excess dopamine and are seen in people who use too much L-Dopa (dopamine precursor) for extended periods of time, for example. Interestingly, this effect is blocked when co-administering and NMDA antagonist. Even more interestingly, NMDA antagonists have been observed to reduce/prevent stimulant tolerance. All of this suggests that it's possible that involuntary movements are simply dopamine deficiencies (e.g. in the case of L-Dopa, dopamine receptors down-regulate too much).

Caffeine is known to release significant amounts of dopamine. Over a period of time, this will down-regulate dopamine receptors.
My thoughts:

1. I opened the web site and said ah, this looks pretty cool, I installed the software and thought, eah.. okay I'll install it even though I really don't want to install anything.

2. Upload was simple after signup.. I understand you have to do the signup thing to validate people somehow.. so for my test I sent a small file to myself..

3. Got the email to download it saw the link and tough ah sweet, just click it.. and was presented with the exe download.. hmm another thing to install to download the file... I thought, nah, not worth it, I don't want this thing anymore, form there I deleted the client.

You need to make it simple to share with people who don't have the downloader, you can't expect people to install something to download files they were sent.

Keep it free yet cap files to say 1MB for free users or something simple.. Paid users ~$5/mo get 2GB uploads..
So a genuine question, are we getting to a point where you need to think so much before actually saying anything

Yes - and many people are going to see this as a good thing (and some won't). I think the best route is to never include any references to gender, (or race, or any hot button issue) in any of your promotional material, slides, talks or whatever. Even if it's intended as light-hearted humor.
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Hi PG - since you ask for the team video url via Posterous, post-Twitter acquisition is there a risk the service shuts down early?

Should it be switched to a private Youtube link?
Well, I didn't down-vote you and I have a family, but my wife worked from home for quite a while and liked it. I think it would be tough when the kids are little, but when they are older it would work fine.

I don't think most folks would end up working from home 5 days a week -- there are still things that work better face-to-face. But I could see folks _only_ coming in for face-to-face time.
I think the driving point, which you allude to is that apologies should be honest. There's a minor point in there somewhere about how wording apologies in terms of the receiver-of-offense is a common tactic for people who care most about what the average person thinks of them.

In this case, I can just barely see this being done by someone who was totally aware of how what they posted sounds, but forgot that the context that might allow them to make that joke, amongst people where it would be obvious that it was intended as a jab at a stereotype that all parties thought shouldn't exist, does not exist where it was posted. And then also hit a bit of a panic mode and put up a sheepish apology like that.

I know enough people that have actually done things similar to that. Not because they didn't understand the issues, but because they were distractable, burst-of-extroversion, nerdy younger folk who tended to forget here and there that the reality bubble they were in was not a universal one, and didn't know how to own up to a mistake well.

I absolutely agree with you about the right to opinion, and that people should not need to apologize for holding one. On the other hand, I do not think that those people have the right to have those opinions respected, and if they're especially ridiculous -- bringing back slavery, or the moon being made of conspiracy, for example -- and they're being expressed publicly and vocally, I do not think that those people have the right to not have their opinions called out in a confrontational manner.

Should a person be disrespected for holding a ridiculously offensive opinion? No. A person gets disrespected for actions related to that opinion.
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Furthermore Google checkout doesn't even work in many non-US countries and is incredibly buggy.

The three times I've tried to use it I've never been able to pay in the UK using different computers, different cards and different browsers.

It probably works at the moment, but it's still shockingly crap for a google product.

Just search 'Google Checkout not working', the general murmurings is that it breaks a lot. I'd link it but google has also fucked up being able to copy your search results without bleeding personal information. Sigh. They really are turning into a mediocre company.
In the case of wanting to bring back slavery, you'd be unable to successfully apologize. You may as well tell people that Hitler was your father and you were proud of him in that case, because you'll never be totally forgiven.

At some point, it might be best to give your best apology as stated in the post, but assume that you will not be able to recover from the leg down your throat.
Totally agree, for me the hardest part is the kickoff where you have an idea in your head and need to visualize it on paper before actually starting designing the UI. I would definitely pay for another e-book that handles the conceptual phase of an interface/application!
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See, both their joke and the statement: "maybe we could take this joke at face value (ha ha, we're all sex deprived computer nerds who would do anything to interact with women for a second)" assumes women are not programmers and thus makes them feel less welcome. That is the main reason why it is bad.
you cannot really make other people feel bad

You can however make them feel unwelcome. By continually hassling someone about their MBA (or race or gender or sexual preference or how they dress or whatever) you are effectively saying that you'd rather have someone without that particular feature, but for now we're stuck with you so we'll have to make do until we can fix that problem.

Feeling like no one in you group really wants you around, but are forced to put with you, will quickly break down most people.
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Perhaps I'm missing something really basic here, but if all the 'troops' have to do is text a given codeword to a number, how do you get both their phone number and their email address?

Where are you getting the email addresses from?
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Because to some people "mens rights" sounds like "white's rights", and the idea that men are now suddenly experiencing massive discrimination is about as believable as the idea that heterosexuals are now being systemiatically persecutre for the sexual orientation.

Also, for every 1 law (or societal norm) that are highly skewed against men, there are 10 that are highly skewed against women. (for "child custody law", I give you "access to contraceptives", "evidence during rape trials", "chance of suffering domestic violence", "chance of getting elected as a politician", "chance of getting appointed to a board", "chance of founding a start up", "frequency of being viewed as not a hacker/programmer", "risk of rape", "chance of being the victim of sexual aggression in the workplace", "chance of being the victim of unwanted verbal sexual attention on the street")

On average, men are still in a much more privileged position than women.