skysight-inc/HackerNews huggingface dataset:
> But a Google spokesman said the death dates have an important purpose: Chromebook laptops receive regular software updates - including for security - and older devices often cannot support the upgrades.

> "These updates depend on many device-specific non-Google hardware and software providers that work with Google to provide the highest level of security and stability support," said Peter Du, communications manager for ChromeOS. "For this reason, older Chrome devices cannot receive updates indefinitely to enable new OS and browser features."

Anyone know what OS and browser features he's specifically referring to here, and why it's not possible to implement them on earlier Chromebook models?
Yeah but then you also have to think about all the jobs that would be lost.
Is this Google's way of ensuring that all future content from OpenAI is watermarked? I am specifically saying OpenAI because their model is far ahead of the competition, and that will only amplify with GPT-5 and so on.

That's how I interpret this anyway... They promote safety and all that, but underneath a lot of it has to do with bottom lines.
I mentioned this in the other WEI thread and I’ll do it here again:

Instead of simply flailing our collective arms around complaining about an evil corporation, has anyone written to the respective competition authorities (such as the FTC in the US or CCI in India) about the potential anticompetitive effects of this proposal?
Texas City Police Officer practices sunk cost fallacy and continues arrest
I think part of the issue is that unix does some things correctly (everything is a file comes to mind) and that implementing them without implementing the rest of unix just means you've made a unix-like that's not compatible with normal unix, as opposed to making something new and using the good parts of things you encouter.
This is highly dependent on your target market. On Android PWAs effectively are apps as far as users are concerned, you can even make a “WebAPK” and submit it to the Play Store.

The story on iOS is much worse, naturally. But if you can get past getting users to actually install the app the rest of the experience is acceptable.
One problem I find is that all that we do is in a bubble. I can convince a dozen like-minded people about the dangers and actions to take. However, the vast majority of the population is completely oblivious to all this and are negligently complicit in enabling bad behavior. This sort of things need to be discussed on the streets and in mainstream media (not tech media) for regular people to become aware. Remember that during the previous browser wars (IE vs Netscape), it was much more in the open and a lot more people knew.
Yes, this calculator doesn't show how you end up a week later when your base level isn't zero. Taking a 2 day break from coffee can help a lot.
I'm not really seeing the dilemma here. Would you choose a browser from a mismanaged organisation, or a browser from a corp actively subverting the very basic idea of having a web client you can control, which has a chance of forever changing how we get to interact with businesses online? (In likely the worst way possible)

Seriously, how is this a question? (Unless you want to go with another independent option, then sure)
> Most often the depth level at which the discussions on web standard are made will alienate most people, so instead of participating in "standards making" they turn somewhere else

It also takes a lot of time. You have to read quite a few proposals, and there are literally hundreds of them, you have to participate in discussions in the GitHub issues, on the w3c mailing list, and in multiple face-to-face discussions.

Even the most technical people find this daunting because they are not paid for this (unlike the people making and promoting the specs). So even the technical people often come into an issue, voice their concerns briefly (or not-so-briefly) and are summarily dismissed.

I've seen Google engineers misrepresent and ignore any input from engineers working on Firefox and Safari, and just push their specs forward. So what chance does an outsider have?

It's a mess.

Granted, it's a better mess because so many discussions are happening in the open unlike 10-15 years ago, but it's still a mess.
(As someone writing this in FF, being a Mosaic/Netscape/FF user for ~30 years)

No that ship has sailed.

It would mean focusing on developing the best browser and spending money on marketing so people download and install the best browser. Cut every other expense. Take FF from the politics of Mozilla and make it a real open source project.

If I look at Opera marketing, they seem to aim for young people with themes and video integration.

I do think FF has no vision and no clear strategy to get back market share, even it this is the only way to save the web. Perhaps market share isn't even their goal, I have no clue what they want.
I was just following orders!
This is such a fun website. This guy also wrote something about recreating Apple I Basic: https://www.pagetable.com/?p=35
>The FTC has been more active on anti-trust issues in the past two years than at any time in the past 30.... That's a direct result of the 2020 election.

Active against Google though? Remember, Google can help a certain political party in tough times (e.g. rollout of healthcare.gov).
so then un-capture it from business interests.

there is a lot of history as to how this was done before.
The link doesn’t talk about the SAAS model, which is probably the most profitable (and ubiquitous) one these days.

I know people like to rail against it, but I actually like the SAAS model. It keeps incentives aligned. It used to be that I might shell out $200 for a piece of productivity software. Now, I might pay $10 a month instead. The thing is that under the old model, a company was incentivized by make a sale but retention didn’t matter. Now, a sale is almost worthless, but retention is very valuable. Yes, over time I will pay much more with SAAS, but I also have companies that are incentivized to keep the software working. It doesn’t matter that I have a perpetual license on accounting software I bought in 2005… it no longer functions with my operating system anyway. SAAS helps solve this problem.
I'm a bit confused - you subscribe to one developer, and then get the benefit of being subscribed to all?

What's the incentive for a developer to sign up to this then, if they don't get a share of your subscription when you use their service? Isn't this a bit like asking Disney+ to give all Netflix subscribers access with no compensation?
Good to know. And the rate limits themselves have to apply to user agents in the old style, right? Because there is no identifying information apart from current browser fingerprinting methods. If abused, do we foresee captchas having to be placed as a guard against attlestation abuse?
My kid just graduated from a NYC high school that had a complete ban on phones in school. The kids checked in their phones at the front desk on the way in and got them back when leaving.

It was by no means watertight -- many (most?) kids had a "burner" phone that was dead or broken or whatever that they turned in (because nobody would believe a highschooler who said they didn't have their phone with them lol) and they kept their real phone. But at least the expectation was set that you can absolutely not ever be seen using a phone in class.

Overall I think it was a good policy. I don't think it's workable at large schools.

In NYC at least you simply can't tell families that kids have to leave phones at home -- they are an essential tool for safety and travel, especially for younger kids. My 12 year old can take the subway to school by himself, but ONLY if he has a phone in case he ends up in some wackadoodle situation where his train has gone express or is on another train line and he needs to call his lifeline (me!) to figure out how to work it out. But they do not need to have them in the classroom.
No, if you are online it’s much harder to pay attention to your teacher or the task at hand.
There are a million distractions, all more interesting than class.
I've seen it done. Granted it was in Croatia but he's a very calm and healthy 14 year old who plays D&D and would rather hang out with his gang of friends than come with his parents to family gatherings.

Croatia might be a factor only because prevalence of smartphone use among teenagers there might be lower. Just guessing.
This needs to get to the European Parliament, we need legislation to protect web interoperability ASAP.
The best time to switch back to Firefox was 10 years ago.

The second best time is today.

Maybe it's too late, maybe it's not, but it's literally the only option we have if we want an open web.

At this point, anybody who runs Chromium is just enabling Google and has become part of the problem.
> Why would a user want to subscribe to only one developer?

Subscribing to one is easier than subscribing to many. There is less friction and the user gets more for that subscription.

> Why does subscribing to one developer give access to all developers?

All developers (and everyone else) can add subscription checks to whatever they like that will let only subscribers pass.

> Why not put yourself in the middle and offer a subscription to "1Sub.dev" and give users the same benefits?

Then they would all have to pay me. I don't want that. Someone could have something against paying me. Maybe the payment methods I offer doesn't work for someone. Distributing payments seems like the only right thing to do.

> What does it mean to "give access to downloads and other resources"? What kind of downloads and resources?

It could be anything. Here is an example of a paywall for this comments page that will only let subscribers follow the link:

https://1sub.dev/link?u=https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id%3D&s=p_GonuAYEe0&k=&n=hK5ZOXymlHi5s2Es&a=a.18

> Can you give some examples of services that exist that you think don't work well enough?

I don't know what kind of services you mean.
This proposal is just so throughly user-hostile that it's impossible to criticise it based on technical grounds. It's not a bad proposal, it's a dangerous, evil and malicious one, so criticising it in details is futile. The whole thing in itself is evil, and it needs to be thrown out.
Quietly protesting won't work this time, the goal is to kick up a huge fuss which gets the attention of governments, regulatory bodies and start antitrust proceedings.

Excuse my french but Google can fuck off with their censorship and "reminder to be civil". They have truly gone mask off, with the Code of Conducts not reinforcing good practice and a welcoming environment, but just a tool used to suppress dissent.

I've switched to Firefox and I'd recommend everyone else to do so.
Yes, put it right near the "Under Construction" gif.
Ask HN: Favorite book on game engine design?
I love the idea of making games for canvas in-browser. It's super fun and generally not very hard to get going with simple stuff. I've made a couple of very simple ( and ugly ) games on canvas already. They're not great because I'm not a game dev, I'm just some backend dork. As an aside, this has been a great "intro to javascript" for me, haha.

Whether it's a good idea to build games in canvas or not is besides the point -- what I really need is a good "introduction to game engine development" so that I can have a stronger base to build my browser games on, and so I can learn the real fundamentals of game design.

What do you recommend?
My hosting provider used to let me bypass 2FA because they "fingerprinted" my browser (whatever that means). Thankfully they've dropped that insane idea and now force 2FA every login.
Working out seems to also affect this. The days I workout I can "tolerate" more than when not.
I don't have a Google account and don't use any Google service, still think that this libertarian message is bullshit, how do you do the free will if the web starts deciding which OS/Browser are authorised to do something? I am not sure we are talking about free will or useful idiots
Youtube is absent as well. Maybe OP is not as de-Googled as they think.
Remember when Ebay did portscans on their clients to see if it was a bot?
The path my teachers took in school, a few decades ago, was to design math tests that never required a calculator. All problems used basic arithmetic and calculators would actively slow you down. This works for a large portion of elementary, middle school, and high school math. The only downside is the teacher needs to spend a bit more time crafting the problems.
Honestly that’s not something I had really ever thought about, how smartphones are mandatory for children in 2023. I got my first phone in 2014 when I was in 8th grade, a used iPhone 4S without a data plan, and because maybe about 50-75% of kids had a phone or smartphone of some sort and the school had WiFi I don’t ever remember it being necessary for anything, although teachers did say “you can look X up on your phone” a few times and I know some of the girls in my classes used Instagram (although I didn’t start using it until a few years later). I think having a smartphone as a teenager started to become more mandatory around 2016-17, by which point I got a new iPhone 6 with a data plan.
And a union isn't foolish for preventing them applying those "other options" to their own work in a way that makes that work more precarious.

There's not a neat center position that can reconcile these things. Profit motives demand exploitation and human dignity demands resisting it. The balance shifts back and forth but at no point is everyone happy with the arrangement.
Yep, as well as charging for support and consulting. Anything that has to do with developers'/maintainers' time should not be expected to come for free in FOSS projects. Unless the devs are happy to do such work for free ofc.
The Mozilla Foundation is arguably mismanaged. Firefox does ok, but could go further if the Foundation invested more in FF development and less on… other things.
All they'll have to do is make a pronouncement of support for some trendy social issue and everything will be forgiven and forgotten. Virtue signaling has turned into the most effective corporate tool for manipulating society into allowing corporations to do almost anything they want. And the public's addiction is so strong that even when this is pointed out and agreed that it is happening, the addiction still must be fed, so corporate sociopathic parasitism on society continues with the joyous approval of society in general.
Indeed. Negotiations have already turned out to be completely ineffective. The next step is war.

Cory Doctorow came up with the phrase "The War on General-Purpose Computing", which describes the situation perfectly.
So are Amazon:

https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/amazon-com/recipients?id=D0...

and Microsoft:

https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/microsoft-inc/recipients?id...

And yet we see high profile activity against them from the current FTC.
This is just silly, there exist frameworks like selenium that allow you to run any browser of choice and emulate actual user behavior(clicks, keystrokes). If they go further the emulation layer will have to be moved higher, above the virtual machine running the browser for example. The truth is, this has nothing to do with scraping, scrapers will find a way. This is to stop the majority of people from using ad block.
You can make one in most languages with polymorphic types.

I mean the sum type A+B is by definition just a type with maps A => A+B, B => A+B and for each two functions A => X and B => X a function A+B => X compatible with both maps. Even if the language doesn't support it it's easy enough to make one.

Syntax is nicer with language support though.
Another thing to think about is how these things obliterate creativity - In school If I was bored I would doodle in the back of my notebooks during class. Drawings of things, places, trying to do nature scenes. But mostly drawings of machinery, robots and electronics nonsense. Towards senor year when I learned some programming it was code. Those little ephemera works feel important - exercises of the mind, creativity.

Contrast that to mindless consumption of corporate controlled media channels which is what smart phones inevitably lead to.

Think about how these mega companies are making billions of dollars by robbing your children's attention thus their education right in front of you. 100% ban the phones.
I vote that this happens, but happens completely, definitely, and thoroughly to its logical conclusion.

If you want a penny from Google adtech, you're subject to their stringently filtered portal, you're inaccessible from non-WEI enabled browsing, and circumventing WEI policies gets you demonetized. It'll be the Great Firewall of Adtech, gated access via an app to a filtered corporate paradise - a bit like Facebook tried in India, unsuccessfully.

If you want to be part of the free, non-commercial web, WEI doesn't apply, access is open. You are able to be indexed as such. The healing can begin.

This will provide a true choice: commercial xor non-commercial. Confine all the SEO garbage to ghettos that think they're kibbutzim, forcing the big commercial entities to either fight over the noise or exert their influence, and leaving the rest of us out.
I wonder how many of the 210 comments were written in Chrome.
> Ultimately, if consumers don't have money, the economy will start to collapse. The upper echelons can feed on each other for a while, but you need an economic base to support the whole edifice.

They will take on debt in lieu of money. And all signs point to lots of that happening, since spending is still high.
The "principles of civilized warfare" treated officers different from non-officers. From "The law of nations", 1797 at https://archive.org/details/lawnationsorpri01chitgoog/page/4...

> And what is more, by a custom which equally displays the honour and humanity of the Europeans, an officer, taken prisoner in war, is released on his parole, and enjoys the comfort of passing the time of his captivity in his own country, in the midst of his family ; and the party who have thus released him rest as perfectly sure of him as if they had him confined in irons.

Technically speaking, I guess they don't have to be rich to be an officer, but all the ones I mentioned were rich.
How do you prevent or discourage the rise of "influencer developers"? The problem with subscriptions as a solution is that they end up being a popularity contest. That's not necessarily bad, if people want to spend their money that way but it doesn't solve the global problem of paying for those who write software. If it takes off it will just mean more Lex Fridman types get a big subscriber base, and a bunch more try and emulate that model. If fact I think it could easily distract a lot of people from focusing on writing software.
I think we're agreeing that you need a strategy and you need to stick to it. Where we differ (I think) is you think my strategy is objectively bad and yours is objectively good. I don't think we really know what each others strategies are though.

I'll assume you're a proponent of B&H SPY and continuing to buy $X/month of SPY until you retire. I'm just saying there are other ideas than that that you can use that have smaller drawdowns and comfortable returns to risk. You could B&H 60/40 SPY/treasuries for example.

Is it active management if you rebalance 60/40 once a year? What if you rebalance quarterly? At what point is it active management and therefore bad?
I haven't noticed any issues on YouTube after subscribing. Before that it used to glitch once in a while possibly to penalize the ad blocking. But that may have been the behaviour in Chrome too for all I know.

Google Meet does have some key features missing on Firefox such as blurring / changing video background.
But what does breaking up even mean? Separate companies, each publicly traded with their own C level staff, shareholders, etc?

Because to me it just feels like it might be legally separated, but still owned and directed by the same handful of people. And it being separated makes it safer, in that they can't forward e.g. large fines to the parent company.

Disclaimer: I don't know anything about large corporations. or economy. or governments.
My concern is that soon the comparison will be "Chrome without ad block" vs "Firefox with ad block". There's no way Chrome outperforms Firefox in that scenario. Even if Chrome is faster for your unique workflow today, prepare to switch back.
The Magical Math Behind Disney's Content Purge
Making an excellent product is hard, but what is really hard, is maintaining it for years and decades afterwards.

Maintenance, addition of new functionality, bugfixing, porting to other platforms etc. takes easily 10x-50x time than the initial release, and eats the vast majority of the developers' time and energy.

This is where "not being paid for your work" translates into abandoned projects.
> Besides, we could further decentralize with small modular nuclear reactors (think neighborhood to small town to even small city scale) and cut out a ton of grid cost.

Yes, we could. But you know and I know we're not so let's stop kidding ourselves. Nuclear is off the table in the US for the foreseeable future.
Really? Have you tried it? I don't think it is possible for an adult. When I was in China vising a friend we tried to get abit drunk on local beer that was like 3.6% at most and it was like drinking soda. The locals seemed to drink spirits together with low alcoholic beer for some reason so there was no strong beer in stores, except some place that had Heiniken.

I have this pet theory that alcohol is not linear. Like, 5% beer get you way more drunk than the same amount of alcohol in 4.4% beer.
by eliminating all actors on the stage and referring solely to "large enterprises", welded unequivocally to ".. who pay for this" the entire ecosystem is reduced to absurd oversimplification. It is both insulting to the others who participate, and bone-headed wrong about where "resources" come from in this unusual, modern ecosystem.
Maybe it was just changes but it appears to end at 10:00 am the next day
70? Nope, it still happened in the seventies, been there, done that. My parents didn't like it, but my aunt had a bottle and sometimes gave me a shot. It was a very light drink, though, no high.

What people here would find unbelievable is how much we drank as teenagers. I remember drinking mixes (double shot of hard liquors, like gin, with soda) as soon as 14 and they would serve us openly in bars. Different times.
SSLKEYLOGFILE still works for Chrome, right?

One way i could imagine to circumvent WEI would be to let WEI enabled Chrome do it's thing, while proxying the decrypted HTTP traffic to a free browser with plugins activated, potentially on another machine.
> Firefox 20 years ago that defeated IE6 by sheer force of nerds alone.

Firefox was significantly better than IE though: it was faster, had more features, and things like that. This is what made Firefox popular, not "sheer force of nerds".

Chrome, when released, also had some significant improvements to Firefox. In particular, it was loads faster. This changed with "Firefox Quantum" (59 IIRC), but "too little, too late" I guess.
So can Microsoft and Amazon, surely? Yet they're getting a lot of scrutiny from the FTC right now.
Sounds good. Happy for you that this works.

I think a website and LinkedIn are complementary (or can be) but in the end it doesn't matter how you get client as long as you get them.

LinkedIn feels (somewhat) natural to me and I only post content in a specific niche and no selfies or other junk content. Got a couple of leads over time but it's also time consuming, especially when you just start out.
What makes you think a layman can assess whether the argument is sound and backed by evidence?
isn't this good? banks can raise security while we can still use any browser to check hackers news! or this 3 cows story?