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They all do it for money, or because of a sense of obligation/love.

Soldiers also do it for money. You are advocating that we change this in order to make a policy you oppose less politically popular.

I'm just trying to determine whether you are willing to apply this logic in an intellectually consistent manner, or if it's just a political maneuver unrelated to your real motivation [1].

If the possibility of deaths is the justification for tying forced labor to another policy, then there are many government programs we should tie forced labor to - construction, policing and firefighting are all obvious examples.

[1] See, for example http://lesswrong.com/lw/wj/is_that_your_true_rejection/
>buyer's remorse will set in

Not necessarily. Take our case of the iPad. It came out at a time when netbooks had created a new low for computer pricing. The iPad lacked a keyboard, a proper/large HDD, had a processor that was even slower, ran a smartphone OS that couldn't even multi-task properly, and had a screen resolution right out of 1995. The 'logical' price for this would have been $200-300; pretty much the only hardware that was not a cost reduction on a netbook was the (low cost) touch layer. Yet it had excellent customer satisfaction. They created perceived value- lacking USB, storage expansion and replaceable battery were all practical disadvantages-- but these weren't things that created desire like the buttery-smooth operation provided by the GPU and capacitive touch, the large viewing angle from the IPS screen, the sleekness from having just one button etc, and the light and slimness gained by forgoing so many features available in even a netbook.

And it's not just something like apple does. Think of a tech 'consultant', or a fashionable web-design company. Chances are you see their prices and think 'WTF are they smoking'..I could have better than that done for me for 10x less. but their clients, i bet are pretty happy. Because of the value they offer-- some perceived, some reality.
Related: what HN users don't want to sound like

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First, why is Youtube evil? Wasn't the company that abused?

Second, how is Youtube evil for doing whatever they want with the ads in their own website? Sure, they claimed it was due to copyright reasons, but that doesn't make the action in itself "evil".

Google has done a lot of crap, from the obvious privacy problems to outright fraud in Kenya. Picking on that seems ridiculous.
Thanks as well! We're waiting for a customer to actually request an android tablet version. We're probably going to port our software in a "lite" version to android focusing on the phone first then the tablet. Thankfully android tablets work well with android phone apps (especially with ICS).

By the time we get around to this, we have our fingers crossed that google's acquisition of Motorola begets a sweet android tablet from google directly.
quite different, since honesty and rudeness are so often conflated. racism or not is a bit more clear.

not that it invalidates your point, but does provide a credible reason to preface something with "i don't mean to be..."
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I'm not saying at all that the industry shouldn't make it easier to acquire works digitally at a decent price, but it still doesn't make it any moral issue, or inherently an 'art wants to be free' issue just because in the last 20 years you've been able to easily copy entertainment without fear of repercussion. People still deserve to be paid for their time and hard work, plain and simple.

Note the followup post will be: 'Just go to their concerts! All is well!'. Since Ticketmaster screws me out of about 30 bucks for each pair of tickets I buy, should we be trying to sneak into concerts for free because 'the man' is doing things we don't like even though the artist is receiving some of the profits from a legal sale?
invaluable? I suppose the etymology may be that something invaluable is so important that any value ascribed to it still does not approximate its true worth.
I was speaking to Rubinstein's underlying article. Sorry for the ambiguity. I strongly agree with you regarding the importance of data being used to empower relevant stakeholders. This issue has been on my mind a lot lately. I would even take it a step further: the priority should be empowering the individuals closest to the data and then working outward. So first priority is making the data empowering for students, e.g. so they have the access and tools to be more reflective about their individual results, learning practices, strengths, and so forth. Depending on age, parents would be here as well. Then teachers. And last should be using the data to empower administrators or bureaucrats. What we have seen is precisely the opposite - the people at greatest distance from the activities generating the data, i.e. the actual learning activities, are most empowered by it. This is reflective of big data business models in general. And I think that is at the heart of where the use of data in education has gone most astray. And this issue is relevant not only to government, but edutech companies as well. Are they maximizing empowering themselves with the data they are collecting to the detriment of empowering students, etc.? Who owns the insights extracted from the data? Are students free to extract their own data and take it elsewhere? etc.

It seems Khan Academy has taken this student-first approach as well and has put it into practice. I would be interested in hearing more about there philosophies, practices, or intents with respect to these other dimensions of educational data.
I suppose it depends on one's definition of expensive, but it is simple enough to see their pricing:
http://aws.amazon.com/s3/pricing/
We built a killer product, that was ready for prime time, but unfortunately didn't end up selling to anyone.

I'd be curious to hear your definition of a killer product. Personal a killer product to me is one that sells though I understand it's just one perspective.
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The basic question that I asked was: Why is MS held to a different standard to the big guys of the internet (chiefly Apple, Facebook, Google, Oracle, paypal/ebay)? What recent actions do we have to compare them on?

Why does it have to be recent? Should we just whitewash the past? It was ten years ago, not in the 19th century. They even have the same CEO.

But in any case, they're still extorting companies using their grotesque FAT patents.
On of the students is carrying an RC remote when he comes on stage at the end.

It would be very hard to fly these little guys autonomously at TED, since they use the off-board Vicon multi-camera IR motion-tracking system in their control loop. That's a big, expensive installation in the lab.

Kumar's group is very well respected in the field. They've had several years of strong innovation. Vijay is really good at what he does, and a nice guy.
Blah, I was at TED and missed this. Dangit.
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Right. Same as "priceless".
Many violent video games are, in effect, murder simulators.

I wonder how much more realistic they'd have to get before most people who gladly play them now would object to them.

In many games you can already hear the screams of the victims and even the victims pleading for their lives, and see quite a bit of gore as the murder is carried out.

However, you can't yet feel your hands around someone's throat, feel the blood pumping in their veins as you slowly squeeze their throat until they die. You can't feel their warm blood spurt out of their bodies or feel the knife plunge in.

It's probably just a matter of time until improvements in virtual reality do let you experience just that. You will be able to more effectively feel just what it's like to kill somebody.

Would you object to those sorts of games? Would they even still be games at that point? What effect do you think such realistic experiences of simulated murder have on the players?
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I've had to counsel (for lack of a better word) team members who got excessively demoralized and cynical about the product we were working on, because all they ever hear about is what is broken, who is pissed about it, and what deal fell through because of it, on what is largely a successful product making a decent number of people happy. Make sure that you don't just look up and check the global context sometimes, make sure your team members do too, and help them if you have to.
Then by all means from now on do not download a single album from an artist until you've located their home address and written them a check for $10. Or are you just posturing? I'd like to think so.
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Wow, that is beautiful. Best optical illusion of curved paper I've seen yet too, on the motorcycle photos a few pages in.

Kudos.
the german startups are all formed within large companies, and fall under "R&D". The intrapreneurs get their job security (as researchers, or incubator members). And if their ideas get to market, they get royalties/spun off into a seperate division.
Yes and no. While they did want to discourage offtopic and open ended discussions, they say in the last podcast[1] that the community itself took on a much stricter approach than they would have - it's probably why old popular questions are now all closed.

[1]: http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2012/03/se-podcast-31-goodbye-...
First Linode and now Slicehost. What's happening to quality VPS these days?

Just a wild guess here, but perhaps the same person who compromised Linode's customer service portal was also trying to see if any of his targets were reusing their Slicehost account credentials in the forum?
The "good" meaning -- someone who enjoys figuring things out for themselves, taking things apart, analyzing and manipulating systems -- is implicitly bad from an authoritarian perspective. What more do you need to know?
The line you quote is talking about paying the contributers, not the owners.

You might want to know that wikipedia has paid staff as well.
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What would have been the correct approach for Tom? Admit early on that something wasn't working? Alert you that there was workflow problem?
> they'd be skilled enough to successfully blow things up in the US. Which isn't happening.

I really agree with you on that, but I am a little bit concerned about ignoring the possibility that there may be something going on we just haven't seen yet.
That is interesting. Something I've noticed is that if you believe that words should be defined in such a way that they are logically consistent with other words, it's possible that there are words that literally everyone uses incorrectly. And under this paradigm, there are many words that mean the opposite of what they 'should' mean. As far as I know though I'm the only one who believes this, although it wouldn't surprise me if other people have explored the idea before.
> Burned through $20 million of its $33.2 million in the final ten months, less than $1 million of which was paid to employees.

At 90 employees, that averages U$1.111,11 / head. How is that possible?
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Why exactly would bringing them back to America be noble? Apple has its roots in the USA but it is very much an international company. The USA are no more deserving of those jobs than any other place on the planet.

Apple should speed up improving the situation of their workers in China. That would be great. Bringing them “back home” would seem just strange to me. Definitely not noble, nationalism never is.

Your view seems very selfish to me and it seems strange that selfish and humanitarian seem to mix so well in those debates. It’s not better for Chinese workers if Apple were to pull out of China. The best solution for them is if Apple improves their working conditions.
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If you're building a file sharing site, aren't the logistics of sharing files exactly what your core competency is supposed to be? Why would you outsource that?
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I think the whole point is it might not be BS any more; the guy was selling smoke initially, but is now running a valuable business.
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I think it's also a victim of political correctness, which is closely related to heavy use of euphemisms. In many places these days, it's pretty difficult to make certain kinds of observations or relate certain kinds of anecdotes without somebody taking offense. "I once had an African-American roommate in college and he was..." "You racist!" "I met this crazy girl the other day and..." "You sexist!" No wonder people feel like they need to qualify their statements.
Sounds like you guys have it sorted out. I bring up Android mostly because we found lots of customers asking for specialized hardware (for military, police and fire department contracts). They were really picky about that because the guys using it were not very gentle.
It is a different domain so the requirements are not exactly the same.
Why didn't you use LISP ?
I don't mean to be rude but was this really necessary :P
"Can a game elevate the characters to a point where you feel, even for a moment, real loss? I don't think it's very easy, if even possible."

I've read reports of gamers crying when they had to kill the companion cube in Portal.

Gamers can and do form quite intense attachments to game characters, and I think they can and do feel genuine loss upon some of these characters' deaths.

However, the problem with many video games (and movies, and much other media) is that "the enemy" is usually just a faceless, almost less than human cardboard cutout that you're often either manipulated to feel glad to get rid of or indifferent over having killed.

It need not be that way, but it often if not almost always is.
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I would love a plugin that would tell me that HackerNews or Reddit links are going to sites that use pop-up or pop-up type behavior (like annoying javascript that obfuscates the content until you close the annoying js popup action the site did).

It would also be nice for a plugin that did this on any site.

I figure just let users like me save my time from going to sites that think pop-ups are the way to treat users. If the link seems to hold promise for being super awesome then maybe I would bother but in general I could just save my time from going to such sites.

I am just thinking of some icon that indicates this site is going to force you to suffer through some pop-up behavior if you want to see the content. It seems to me it is the right of sites to do so, I just don't want to bother with sites that do.
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Music to my ears. Absolutely.

We have "focus on the student" hanging all over our office (which is pretty tricky b/c we change offices all the time these days for reasons I won't get into :) ). It's easy to see how other agendas could creep into educational organizations (especially if you're worried about profit), but for us right now...and hopefully forever...the student is our clear priority.
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I agree with many of the other encouragements said here but I also want to add, think of a new, original idea. The photo space really IS way over saturated. Build something that makes a difference and improve peoples' lives.
"Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent." --Wittgenstein

That's my reaction to most of these 182 comments. I grew up with a combat veteran, and between listening to his stories and reading those of many other vets, including the OP, the only thing that's clear to me is that there are as many ways of coping with combat as there are combat veterans. Instead of arguing about whether or not people are sociopaths, go listen to few veterans sometime.
I really agree with you on that, but I am a little bit concerned about ignoring the possibility that there may be something going on we just haven't seen yet.

With seven billion people on the planet, there are lots of things going on that we just haven't seen yet, but most of them are benign. Excessive worrying about the unknown will only lead us further down the path toward (and/or beyond, depending on where you think we are now) a ubiquitous surveillance society.
Its fascinating. These 'pundits', lets remember (beside the question of whether it was even accurate or significant-- enough pundits and someone will have said anything), we didn't know what the iPad was going to be. The possibility that it would be a powerful, fully-fledged OSX running computer was considered very real (remember the slamming people gave it as just a big iPhone).. if the question had been 'what do you think we will charge for our iPod touch with a bigger screen', not even the most hardcore apple pundit would have said '<$1k'.

Then he lingers on this issue-- talking about how much they have accomplished for the price-- almost making a value proposition for it at $999. After about a minute of $999 up on the screen he announces that '[apple] have met our cost goals'. I think this phrasing is very interesting-- he doesn't say 'we have beaten our goals', 'met our aggressive goals' or 'achieved a low cost'-- nothing to remove from the perception that it could be $999. At the point at which your expectation is highest that he is going to announce that the goal they met was a $999 ipad, and he has built tension, they dramatically drop in the real price.

Even the fact that they managed to manipulate their audience is in turn a suggestive indicator that this is great value, a shock, at this price. This can have a big effect when you consider that the press are not immune from this manipulation-- who then present this device as highly desirable and of great value.
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If you're about to submit a comment containing "I don't mean to be", stop and consider whether what you're submitting adds any value (as defined by the HN guidelines in this case) to the conversation.

This is telling: "There's a hell of a long conversation here, with a lot of qualifiers, but frankly I don't have the time for it." If you don't have time to contribute something meaningful why contribute at all?

The other problem with "I don't mean to be" is it's fundamentally dishonest. If you don't mean to then why are you doing it? If you must do this, just say "I'm about to be".
Honestly, just try opening the fridge door every once in awhile. The rest of us dig into it multiple times a day and an app would be completely pointless.
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To be fair, for Windows and many Linux distrubutions (don't know about OS X) have signed packages, so it's not like they're grabbing any data and blindly running it.
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Probably someone leaking from the inside due to money/incompetence? That makes their PR go worst though. There's a myriad of scenarios.

They can only be upfront and show how well they respond to the situation including mitigating future security issues.
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The second thing I thought of was how cross-border and urban illegal drug distribution is gonna be made much easier with this. I won't be part of it, but, just sayin'.
Agreed. Unfortunately, for better or worse, this is often the type of personality that leads an organization. That "salesy" personality really rubs me the wrong way but it can somehow work on enough people and create enough excitement/momentum to move things forward.
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Why does he persist on using the method he does for showing page 2(etc.) on HN?
You get at an importent point. However, it is important to add Richard Hamming's orthogonal idea: "I wasn't dressing properly. I had to make the decision - was I going to assert my ego and dress the way I wanted to and have it steadily drain my effort from my professional life, or was I going to appear to conform better? I decided I would make an effort to appear to conform properly. The moment I did, I got much better service."

Contexts in which dress matters may disproportionally be contexts to avoid, but there are contexts that are worthwhile in which dress is very important.
There are much cheaper, better ways to let out anti-social behavior and violent action between consenting fucked-up people. 4chan, fight clubs, boxing, BDSM, etc.

Shit, we could fund the entire country going crazy on $3,000,000,000,000 or so.
I mean this as advice: all english speaking countries use the dot for the decimal place( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decimal_mark#Countries_using_A... )

As such it is rather confusing for native english speakers when commas and dots are swapped. Which makes sense since it is essentially like speaking a different 言語 halfway through your sentence.
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If by "StackOverflow" you mean "Tumblr" then yes, I agree totally.
> Personal (sic) a killer product to me is one that sells

If you read the article, this isn't a B2C product. We were working with manufacturers and high-dollar contracts ($100m+ I think). A lot of different hands are involved, lots of due diligence, it had to match the manufacturers strategy, and laws and regulations are all questioned. Since a majority was mobile, we also had to involve the carriers. We also had to work with the labels and publishers when dealing with manufacturers in different regions. A lot of that work was over my head (since as I said, I just built the product... I'm also not sure how much I can talk about publicly, so I'm trying to keep it sort of vague). We had to work a deal out with everyone so they all get paid what is fair to them (we want to negotiate the lowest price, each one of them wants to negotiate the highest price), and those kinds of things take time. All of this happens over a period of months, while other parts of their (everyone mentioned above) business may be moving in other directions -- acquisitions happening, strategy changes, budget projections, layoffs, massive hiring -- you name it. In Y-Combinator land it is really that simple, but when dealing with big business, it's not.

EDIT: Just realized I didn't answer the question. A killer product, to me, is one that I would routinely use, and that my wife uses as well. She liked to use the app (I can't say that for everything I've built). I did too. We also proved it would scale, and yada yada. I'm afraid of saying more, but yes it was a solid product.