skysight-inc/HackerNews huggingface dataset:
It really isn't that odd. Most reddit users hardly interact with the admins. When it comes to mods though, the question is not whether they have had bad interactions, but how many. A job that offers no pay, no benefits, but the dopamine hit of having petty power over random strangers tends to attract poor candidates.
Is it?

I understand that the GDPR allows you to request deletion of your private data, but content you’ve published isn’t quite the same. At the very least, Reddit’s TOS claim a perpetual irrevocable license to that content

Does the GDPR have a separate provision for requesting the deletion of published content, or are people just assuming it falls under the private data rules?
Public speaking. Whether it's as a presenter at a conference or user group or simply communicating with non-technical staff, the ability to communicate clearly and in understandable concepts without technical jargon is a surprisingly rare and valuable ability among programmers.
The topic is pointless jobs. Not pointless paychecks.
Such an amazing tool. So much value this single free and open source has given the world. Much more than many vc backed startups combined.

We need to get back to people building software instead of vc backed companies building software. I think the last decade has shown us that that is a failed experiment.
Exactly, it is a fallacy of equivocation: use the same word in different senses.
> significantly more mods than reddit employees. Reddits already struggling to be profitable and you think they can afford to pay moderators?

They're going to sacrifice quality. In the short run, that will work. The smart move would be to moderate with a small, expensive lead and cheaper offshore, arund-the-world talent. (The brilliant move would be to negotiate, but Huffman has made this personal.)

Keep in mind the power law nature of content. What makes Reddit charming is the long tail. What makes it profitable, in the short term, is the short end. They don't need to hire mods for every subreddit, just the large ones, and among those, only those rebelling and unwilling to relent.
Yes, I deleted all of my comments and posts using shreddit last week. This from both subreddits that went dark and those that did not. Tens of thousands of comments. They were gone until two days ago when they suddenly all reappeared. I deleted them all again yesterday. I plan on keep deleting them until they stay deleted for a significant amount of time, then delete my account.
Some tiny fringe subreddits will die, some high visibility subreddits will have literally 100s of people trying to become a mod, including people who are potentially paid by an economic entity to be moderator of that subreddit.
This is the product that I've built for web3 developers.

Could you guys test it?
What do you think about it?
How can I improve it?

I would appreciate any feedback
It's pretty clear that /spez doesn't actually use reddit very much and doesn't really understand how it works "on the ground".
I've been hearing about 1.1.1 EOL for years now. Pretty happy that I am no longer in a space to care about it (or FIPS).
Next time you have a problem with any device you have, or any doubt in general, google and try to get real human feedback instead of having to navigate through dozens of web pages with shitty answers that don't work
I am sure that this part of the business is a tiny, tiny fraction of the current bloated workforce. Know what, agree, it’s a hard job, keep all those people in. I think they are mostly relying on the volunteer mod force, rather than internal people, but whatever. Keep them all. Still 200-300 is more than enough.
> So, I would venture that this idea is a bad one, but sounds good on paper.

It's a great idea, it's just vulnerable to non-stationary effects (novelty effect, seasonality, etc). But it's actually no worse than fixed time horizon testing for your example if you run the test less than a year. You A/B test that copy for a month, push everyone to A, and you're still not going to realize it's actually worse.
> corpse of the golden goose

a unicorn, one might say
I understand your reasoning here, I agree without spending an inordinate amount of time doing first person research on every topic we all basically have to fall back to listening to other people's reasoning on a subject and then decide, but I'm curious, has discussing this and reading the article (and probably some of the other information around) caused you to rethink COVID origin possibilities or at least do some more reading about it?
I've had interviews with programming challenges and they recorded every single keystroke. Not sure how legal that is.
Discussed earlier here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36354850
> The communities themselves are what make the sub. The same happens when users migrate from one sub to another or complain.

Yes, the sum of all users are the community, not the mods themselves. Therefore if the community is truly aligned in a consensus to not reopen a sub, it won't matter if the sub is forcibly reopened by a newly installed moderator because the community, the users, won't come back anyway. So there's really nothing to complain about; the community is now dead or moved off reddit and it doesn't matter what reddit does with the subreddit that formerly hosted that community.

Unless of course the community is not nearly so united as claimed. Then maybe most of the community will come back to the subreddit. I think this is probably this is what will happen in most cases. And this is why people are mad about reddit threatening to reopen subreddits; because they don't actually have a community consensus to stop using that subreddit. They rely on the subreddit being locked to force the community's hand, and as soon as that leverage is taken away the community will be free to make a decision which is contrary to their own desires.
Does Reddit owe them anything?

Didn’t think so.
The whole point of the game is multi-step thinking.

If I make a move, I need to prepare for the inevitable response, which might or might not be obvious to my opponent. The game is inherently more and more complex after each move.

While things might not carry over directly in a provable way, there's a reason chess has survived as a game for hundreds of years - because there's definitely ways the game improves your thinking processes, pattern recognition, and abstract decision making skills.
> You'll never run out of space again - π holds every file that could possibly exist!

This isn't necessarily true, right? AFAIK this only holds if pi is normal, which we haven't proven.
I dunno what you are implying, but Reddit and Twitter dug their own graves.

They repeatedly chose short term gain over the long term health of their platforms/users, and the debt is catching up with them.
The author does not appear to understand options.

Purchasing a copy of Moby Dick at a garage sale for $1 means you have purchased the option of reading it for as long as you want to keep it on your bookshelf.

There is a slight possibility you could sell it for $1 in the future, or $0.50 or $2. But that would probably take more effort than you want to put into the enterprise.

But mostly what that $1 buys you is an option on use value. You are free to use the book after paying for it. But you are not obligated to use it.

The author's point was, I believe, that there's a difference between exchange cost and use cost, which is certainly true. But if you're going to use this parable as an analogy for some business process, you may be better served by thinking about a larger scope: a scope that admits the possibility of value in options.

When I was a kid we used to say: "You always pay for what you get. And if you're lucky, you only pay in cash."
> I don’t even think it would be that expensive.

Agreed. I'll eat my hat if there aren't a few Reddit engineers working to leverage LLMs to make auto-moderation way more effective. I don't know how soon they'll get to the point of not needing any volunteer moderators, but I won't be surprised if within a year or so they have only professional supervisors for all the popular subreddits.
People will do anything nowadays to lower their AWS bill.
> If work was enjoyable, people would do it for free.

If work was enjoyable, and their bills were still getting paid.

Can we stop pretending that the overwhelming majority of people aren't working because they have to?
Being able to work sitting in a deck chair in your back yard without having to worry about screen glare seems like a compelling use case.
> it's a horror show of deprecations

I'm not familiar with the 3.x API, but in the past merely using the OpenSSL API was a horror show. Surely deprecations are the only way out?
Mods give a subreddit its norms and structure. If you kick out the mod team and forcibly reopen r/subcultureX, you're not getting r/subcultureX back, you're getting something new puppeting around its skin. If users really just wanted to start talking about X again, nothing's stopping them from going and creating r/subcultureX2. You can't force people to continue donating the massive amounts of free labor that made these communities what they were.
So long as I am paying for it, it is absolutely about me. I would consider offers to write for others if they see the value, but it is quite apparent that what I write does not actually provide value to others. Which is fine. I'm happy to leave that work to the professionals.

Why do you feel entitled to the work I have paid for? It is one thing if I generously offer it to you, but to expect it?
I wasn’t sure if your comment meant that you look forward to owning it or you look forward to Lenovo making one but there is already an ARM thinkpad, the x13s
Sci-fi extrapolation: I like the idea of there existing a few super smart LLM's trained on raw human data that function like generals, 2nd-order smaller models that are like lieutenants, eventually down to AI entirely trained on AI -- grunts that lack a lot of context but achieve a single purpose through language.
It all depends on context, for example, accounts that are very new and go strongly against the general "consensus" (as much as that shouldn't be a thing) raise suspicions. Some people suspect the use of LLMs on trying to push for consensus and astroturf. Add the name of a fruit to your answer. Hopefully they will find a solution to that conundrum
yeah, I feel you on that one. But I'd much rather be able to continue conversations when I leave my desk. So if assuming you can only pick one... I'd definitely rather use desktop, but I'd be less annoyed if my only choice, was mobile
Brilliant. Thank you for this.
Very impressive! You would make millions if this was 1980!
I wonder if there is a legal difference between submitting an official GDPR request for deletion and simply hitting the delete button on the platform itself.
the set of reals is larger than the set of integers despite both being infinitely large
Being humble and distributing credit. People like working with a teammate who recognizes their contributions (and shields them from mistakes) and managers like contributors who raise the morale and productivity of a team.
He's right. As much as many mods do a great, fantastic job for free, there are those who abuse their power and the admins have always had no issue with that.

Now that it's affecting them they do, so I hope they improve things even if it isn't for exactly the right reasons.
If you don’t want others reading your comment send a DM.
...and I just wrote a script to go through and delete them all again.

What was accomplished?
Stats? Come on. Reddit pesters every mobile user agent to install their shitty app every time. It's like Google pushing Chrome. How many people install their malware just to stop getting nagged about it? People even say they made reddit web bad on purpose to drive people to the app.

Show those users better third party apps with no ads and then ask them which they like more.
Microsoft and Apple are platform companies. Each product is intended to reinforce and expand the platform, and you see this reflected in that both companies have a diverse mixture of revenue sources. I think we can understand these companies as fundamentally having a strategy where the goal is to reinforce the value prop of "building on Microsoft" or "living on Apple".

Google, however, is much more of a one-hit-wonder from a revenue perspective. While Google has had many societally impactful products, they mostly do not move the needle on revenue. Google's revenue is 80% ads and 75% of that ad revenue is from search ads.

I think the implication of this is that because Google doesn't make money from their interlocking services but rather from their near-monopoly on search ads, the incentives for them to actually behave like Microsoft and Apple (where you can trust long term support) just aren't there.
>as every other company that focuses on cost cutting over innovation and supporting future innovations.

Not every company needs to innovate. Some companies do the opposite, they are late movers with outstanding marketing.

We grew up with Google being the cutting edge, but that is far more expensive and risky than hiring a bunch of psychologists and marketers to figure out how to monetize old product at bigger profits.

They are doing this with their Pixel series as a prime example. They originally made the best budget smart phone with ~0 marketing, word of mouth made the Nexus great. Today, they have removed some hardware, charged literally 7x, and have ads running.

There is a happy fantasy of capitalism where each company innovates and competes for the best product. The reality is that plenty of companies are fine with producing a low quality product, selling it at a high price, and having the marketers find some niche that makes the product appear high quality so customers can rationalize their decision.

I genuinely hope that Marketing/Psychology is 'canceled' before I die. Its a horrible thing for humans.
Short answer - Google pretends they're a company they're not. When they release products in new markets, often markets their culture isn't aligned to, the products struggle. That struggle gives leadership a reason to kill the product.

I'm personally amazed Pixel phones haven't been killed yet and can't shake the feeling that will happen any day now.
> Yet simply because this user owns the obvious name, there is no real alternate sub for California-level news.

Alternatively, the users aren't bothered by the moderation there and no one's felt the need to start an alternative.
It took everything I had not to roll my eyes.
It's a real problem they need to get on top of as an organisation. Unceremoniously pulling the plug on services like IoT Core on tight timescales doesn't scream "reliable, sustainable platform I can pitch to my bosses".

Even with sizeable discounts and professional services funds for migration, I wouldn't consider a move to Google Cloud until they calm this down. This is coming from someone that once worked for a Google Cloud Partner.
'dang: The link in the submission looks like it was pasted twice by accident. It should just be "https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/16/business/ev-ride-sharing-..."
It depends on the subreddit, some of them really are run by power hungry assholes who will delete posts they disagree with and even ban users for disagreeing.

I've also seen others where mods tolerate "popcorn" threads where prominent posters are allowed to spread rumors and make virulent accusations with no repercussions because these threads are interesting for everybody who's not directly involved.

The only real problem with what spez is proposing is that it's obviously only intended to give Reddit's management a way to oust mods they don't like. If this was proposed in a vacuum I'd welcome more accountability for mods.
In https://mastodon.social/@ashe__/110553872844888220 it was reported that they undid edits too.
Options are closer to paying 1$ at a garage sale for the owner to sell it to you on a future date at 1$ and you have the right but not the obligation to do so (say the price is 20 cents next year - you don't have to buy the book at 1$ anymore and you hope that your option you purchased is less than 79.9 cents in order to profit.
I resubscribed in early june and didn't start receiving it again. I can try again.

Edit: It says "Sorry, We are currently unable to process your request. Please try again later." with multiple email addresses.

Maybe it's a glitch but it's sure a persistent one.
I'm surprised it ever ran on Windows 1.1
What's the root cause of all the recent reddit tumult? Is it essentially that reddit is trying to keep away web scrapers so it can retain exclusive access to its data and sell to LLM companies?

If so, this seems like an impulsive miscalculation, based on how easy it would be for any determined actor to scrape reddit. So why annoy users in order to attempt to do something that has a high probability of failure?

The situation sounds a lot like news website paywalling circa 2010, which was a flop for most sites.
I don’t think that’s true. I remember, for several years now, how after each VC capital, they boast how they are to “double in size”. That’s not just ad sales.
Is Elon intentionally trying to avoid legal liability by boosting these things with opaque non-commital comments like "!!"?

edit: though it seems they are currently targeting Fox News for being too woke, so that's kind of fun.

https://twitter.com/MattWalshBlog/status/1669457286677291008
Maybe they're orthogonal. The trick is making the two work together.
> But if they are smart, they’d rate limit free API access

They are, up to 100 requests per minute is still free post change

Someone could make a lot of money by building a paid Reddit app with everything people want, and a BYO API key, similar to what people are doing with OpenAI keys
What is an 'infrastructure platform'?
Are you sure you aren't an ai already? That's also one reason I'm not so sure about the analogy because humans are already so gigantically redundant and we have lots of other bots already. I don't think there's ever been a low background steel on the internet in any real capacity. Just now it's more radioactive than it used to be
Absolutely nothing.

This is part of why they are being forced to allow sideloading in the EU. As it turns out in the real world, the interests of corporations are often at odds with the interests of every day people.
> It’s funny that this is the straw that caused you to think the relationship was over

Are you kidding? Christian posted in public to reddit about his failed negotiations. That was definitely a scorch the earth policy. reddit and/or spez had not posted about Apollo prior to that.
I bet the reddit redesign used a similar faulty measurement of engagement.

"People spent more time scrolling the feed, people must enjoy it!"

No, the feed takes up more space, so now I can only fit 1 or 2 items on my screen at once, rather than 10, so I have to scroll more to see more content.
I want to go with you. The US is so awful for privacy, not just at an administrative level, but we have too many citizens that do not care ('nothing to hide') and believe in an internet that can only be funded by giving up privacy. (Just look to HN for many "well, how else do you pay for it?!" arms tossed up comments)

For a people that seem to think we're synonymous with 'freedom,' the paths we choose sure seem to indicate a fucked up vision of what 'freedom' looks like going forward.

Too many attitudes feel defeated and resigned to abusive things today.
Still, ridiculously interesting.
Comments are protected by copyright....

By undeleting comments they are violating the copyright of the authors by engaging in unauthorized use

Even if Reddit was the one that deleted it, the user needs to be informed if Reddit renews their use of the copyrighted work.

Where the user deleted it, the violation is beyond obvious.
I’m curious. What do you find more useful about a tool like that rather than the built-in bookmark manager?

i used to do folder-based organization but eventually just started throwing bookmarked into larger buckets of general topics and then using the search in FireFox’s bookmark sidebar to find the one I want.
I begin to understand the logic behind the US derailings.

The idea here is that maintenance is much, much cheaper than rescue operations. If 100 more pumps let you run for years without a scram, go along and order them.
I just am looking at two major platforms that have helped push back against the ruling class, and both got taken over and dismantled systematically
That would be a reasonable hypothesis if our information was limited to a few isolated inconsistency issues.

The more posts we see deleted the less likely it is that it's an accident. I just checked and found out that posts from an account that I scrubbed and deleted 5 years ago are popping back up. That stretches "eventual" pretty thin.

We also have a large amount of external information that suggests that reddit is not acting in good faith, much of it from Spez himself.

Between the two of those, malice is more likely than stupidity to be the motivating factor.
Is there something specific that you think would be illegal? Or just a general sense that keystrokes shouldn't be logged?
I think Facebook's argument was, if you're using it on several devices, then you can continue what you're typing on a different device! (Like how GMail saves your draft every few seconds). But of course they don't mention they might do analysis on what you wrote but never sent...

And some online shops do that too at checkout; if you fill in your email but then abandon it, you might get an email that says "Hey, you didn't finish your purchase!". My worst experience was with a phone provider, I just wanted to see how much a mobile package was priced, but I had to add it to a cart. I put in my real number and email and the fuckers added me to their marketing database, sending me SMS ads. Fuck youuu salt.ch!
I hope the day never comes when I have to really understand what is going on with certificates. Every time I get close to it, it seems to be a shifting maze of smoke and mirrors.
What if a digit (say, 9) only appears in pi up to a certain decimal point? If your sequence contains that digit and doesn't appear by that point, pi won't contain your sequence.
I'll believe it when I see a computer named after an agricultural product arrive at my doorstep, along with a 300 page spiral bound book of thousands of shortcut-prompts, each prompt shown next to a visual representation of the app it will build.
Congrats!

Going full time is the only way to go for a project you love and want to grow.

What is the business model?

How much visitors does Marginalia have?
Please sell something business-like that people can purchase and expense.

A book, software, something. I can't quite expense patreon and others may have a similar issue. (Useful "free SaaS" where all there is is the cup of coffee button makes me sad).
> the curriculum is focused on grammar and literary works, not casual conversation, and very little of writing down your own essays, or God forbid speaking it.

I took two years of Latin in college. I had the same experience.
To me it sounds like slipping into irrelevance but hey i quit reddit so i have 0 fucks left to give. Gonna grab the popcorn and watch from the side
Thank you for the correction; I'm not familiar with the project and just went off how the article described it.

> Although the page says that the project's use of GPLv3 is "designed for you to use Isotope to build open source and personal projects", it does not say that Isotope cannot be used for commercial projects under GPLv3.

Yeah, it's unfortunate they misrepresented the GPL and I wonder if that is how the author became confused.
I was actually surprised to find that digg.com is still around, even though it mostly seems to be a reddit repost site in it's current iteration.
Related: https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmyBB a Fediverse frontend based on phpBB. Example instance on fedibb.ml
Elon Musk would love Twitter to be profitable and Steve Hoffman would love the same for Reddit.