skysight-inc/HackerNews huggingface dataset:
You can pretty much leave communities in auto mode and nothing will happen. A few posts will get blocked. A few people will get annoyed. It is both difficult to encourage and discourage people to participate in Reddit communities.
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Yeah, it could have lasted longer to get more input. I suppose they didn't want to stay public for too long and lose momentum.
> Were you seriously inconvenienced by the blackout in some way?

You phrased that in the past tense, but I assure you that a number of major subreddits are still private at this moment. With each passing day, my sympathy for the moderators diminishes and I become more receptive to the notion that Reddit should reopen the subreddit, remove all the existing mods, and hold elections for new ones. With a subreddit that has 1M+ users I guarantee there are at least a few dedicated souls that will jump at the opportunity. Only current moderators think they are a rare, irreplaceable asset.
I'm pretty sure there are books and papers already being written by LLMs already, and it's going to be a bigger problem soon.
Same. I'm not clear on if that is all diseases or not.

I'm also still unsure it matters for this discussion. Especially if we don't have a causal understanding of what moves you from not having symptoms to having symptoms.
The tools are critical for some small set of mods, notably r/blind. Apparently Reddit will allow those tools to continue.
> They are valuable only to Reddit for their potential to be monetized.

Why are you dismissing this? I don’t understand all of these comments talking about Reddit as if it was 100% free to operate and the only important users are the commenters
Fun fact, those humans who put the info in and make up the communities do care. It's not "evil undemocratic mods", the communities in many subs voted in favor of the protest.

I love how many people who seem to complain about the blackout are like "stop whining and go back to produce the content for me".

Time will tell if the deterioration of the relationship will make that content you value less likely to exist, of less quality or more inaccesible.
Ask HN: How do you evaluate LLMs before deploying to production?
If they vote, they’re not lurkers. Even thumbs up-ing is useful engagement.
I agree. The posts here on HN about how all the mods are terrible human beings... that just read as an oddity.
Even as a non-mod the third party apps are simply a substantially better user experience than the official app. The CEO's statements and actions have made it clear that the user, nor the mods are anything other than a metric to be exploited in their business plan. I'm no longer interested in participating in their cattle drive.
> If you're a mod, and get threatened, ban the user. It's simple. Move on with your life.

Have you ever moderated a sufficiently large community?
<< It's a pretty common sentiment that opinions that differ from our own must be corrupt, bought, sock-puppets, etc. People on virtually every side of any issue feel this way because it's comforting to imagine that our own opinion is the only authentic one.

I would have bought this line of thinking about two decades ago, but between now and then a lot has happened that seriously undermined any kind of faith that the post found on the internet is a genuine perspective or, indeed, that it was even generated by a human.

I think the last straw for me was FCC public comment ISP industry sock puppetry related to net neutrality ( not that there were no indications of foul plays before ) and the fact that nothing changed after those revelations.

That said, I absolutely buy that there are reddit users that are annoyed; I will also admit that I have yet to talk to someone, who does not support the blackout. Still, this may reflect my social circle more than anything else so I do not dismiss your point.
Or in VMs, or in containers. In Bash, Perl, Python.

But what do you think software runs on these days? Magical immaterial containers? Bare metal is still there, just a few (more or less terrible) abstractions away. And please check out https://github.com/kubernetes/kubernetes - Oh noes, k8s is 3% bash? The horror :))))
Humans have access to a continuous feed of grounded firsthand experience, can actively perform experiments, and can seek novelty.
i thought they _were_ losing money?
4chan boards work pretty similarly to reddit subs, no? At least the major ones have volunteer jannies.
Reddit is dead in your opinion because they drove out the most passionate creators and moderators.

Over years of inaction, or bad action. Chasing bad product ideas while ignoring key features.
It will not happen in 40000 generations.

And what should I say to my children if I can show them some effects of global warming/heating which are happening today? For example I can farm some fruits which were impossible to farm here 40 years ago.
Only for a centralized, corporate-owned system like Reddit. A volunteer-owned fediverse system can monetize via donations, Patreon-style. This changes the incentive structure: making the administrators accountable to the most invested people (power users).
People are going to get richer than they were by some measure of wealth, but not rich enough to save them from climate change. Which is basically what you're saying I think, though you're more optimistic about it.
I can go and wander and look at the wares. But if I were to go to a Dick's Sporting Goods with some friends, plop down in an aisle, and start playing a board game they'll probably ask me to leave.
You can have an account on one instance and subscribe to a community on another. There's no need for every instance to have a "memes" community, though there will undoubtedly be more than one. Then you can subscribe to the one(s) you like best. Not unlike how Reddit tends to have multiple subreddits for popular things with different mods, norms, and feels.
Looks like they perfectly know what they are doing, and the plan is pretty clear to me, and they said it: "mods too powerful", to me this sounds like a government or a big company, they don't like when the people have too much power or when they unionize, so they turn authoritarian and totalitarian, Reddit is just like that, turning into something it shouldn't, I wouldn't be surprised if they were pressured by the CIA/NSA
They will step in eventually, and they are going to respond to this blackout with a new voting mechanism to replace mods it sounds like. Both seem sensible to me.
This is a strawman. It's not your business why I need an old laptop. This is wrong to prevent me from using it on the grounds of my own (dis)comfort. Did you hear about thin clients or security through isolation? I don't want to throw away a working device if I can find a use for it. Unlike Apple, I care for the environment.
No, one mustn't necessarily. A thing can be criticized in isolation while an alternative is pending. Inaction is also an alternative in and of itself. In this case, alternative messaging or any persuasive messaging is not a requirement.
The and the only reason the CEO is talking about this now is because it is the mods who are resisting his and Reddit management's awful behaviour.

The CEO et al I would say have no concern about this issue as such - or it would have come over years ago - they are concerned, and concerned now, only because it is getting in their way.

Reddit management to my eye has lost sight of the fact the Reddit exists because a very large number of people decided of their own free will to be there. The content generators do not belong to Reddit, nor is the content generated by Reddit. When large site owners come to imagine they own their site and can do what they like with it, as if the users belong to them, they can break their sites, because users leave - mySpace is the case in point.
This. NodeBB made me switch to Discourse, because it was a nightmare to update and backup.
I wouldn't classify it as a major problem but as a failure of the system itself. If the system was self moderating, then you wouldn't even need mods.
ElixirConf 2022: "The Launch of Elixir and LiveView at Scale on the New Cars.com"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzAupUHiryg
Never realized I was so predictable
The funny aspect of all this is how the whole conflict is being feeded by inverse psychology. Mods want to help Reddit notice that the new APIs fees are too high and will harm Reddit itself, to which Reddit could have set very low fees and then slightly increase them until they get a balance between users vs earnings. Instead they followed Musk's gonna-kick-your-ass ways.

Will 2023 be considered the year of the Great Social Media Purge?
Easy to get things wrong from the wrong intuition or understanding of the problem. Cross mathematic discipline etc.
But I feel that most applications just need high school math.
Hilarious how this is post 49 on the 2nd page currently.

Magic algorithm for everyone’s benefit I’m sure …
On the surface that seems like a bad idea but get enough users coming in from another sub and "just asking the question" or not arguing in good faith and you'll understand really quick why it's easier to ban them all than play games where they try to stay just barely on this side of the rules while still harassing your community. You also get a lot of the "I'm a gay black guy [0]"-type people which makes modding even harder.

I understand how on the outside it looks bad but I also know from experience what mods put up with and I totally understand reaching for this tool to avoid it.

[0] https://www.vox.com/the-goods/2020/11/10/21559458/dean-brown...
I'm a pessimist and usually suspect the worst. But when they actually do it, you can bet I still hold it against them.
Maybe for some definitions of "don't care" most users "don't care" about being forced to use a broken app with a terrible user experience. But I guarantee you almost every user would like to have a better UX than the official Reddit app offers.
Promotions being highly dependent on shipping new products rather than long term support of existing products. You don’t climb that type-a ladder by improving the code of the 30th chat app.

Their desperate desire to find another money printing machine to replace their soon to be regulated to death ads monopoly. If it’s not instantly printing money, they don’t want to continue to support it.

Ruth and Sundar need to be fired or else Google/Alphabet will suffer the same exact fate as every other company that focuses on cost cutting over innovation and supporting future innovations.
> Hope Reddit comes out of this alright.

Not a mod, or even a power user, but I hope reddit dies. They seem hell-bent on making the experience of using their site as shitty as possible. The sooner communities move to alternatives that don't treat users like shit, the better.
I don’t like the flat style comments of sites like PhpBB.

Is there an equivalent open source solution that does reddit style hierarchical comments?
> I'll not work for a company with Scrum and story point estimations.

I take it even further. After years of putting up with various agile things, I made the career decision of no longer accepting positions at agile shops at all, much like I will no longer accept positions at companies that use an open office layout.
I liked the modding but I preferred Invision Power Board, at the time it looked really nice out of the box and had a lot of good features.

PunBB was really nice too, was really clean looking both in the UI and the backend code.
If cryptocurrency didn't exist, how would you ask to be paid if you were the one holding a hospital ransom?
Yet still a significant portion of comments come from third party app users. Reddit wants to control how I post my likely close to 1000 comments a year, I just won't comment then. The content doesn't come out of this air, it comes from a handful of power users that are far more likely to use third party apps.
So you're happy with bigger numbers? Because the content is absolutely identical from T1 to T2484... and there's absolutely no other way to increase the x in Tx except grinding lower levels to increase some stat on your gear by a small amount.

Like my other comments about PoE, I'm talking about what passes for endgame. Where you have all the recommended gear and can do mostly everything.

I know that you first need to acquire the epic set that matches what build you want to play and matching non set items. I've done it a couple seasons.

But afterwards it's exactly what I described.
Costs more money to develop and run a ChatGPT bot than it is to say

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Yes keep going on that train of thought because we're not disagreeing at all and I'm waiting at the station where it's taking you.

Still doesn't mean taking 80% of the wages of prison laborers is anything but exploitative.
> I'm sort of rethinking it again as VR/AR type devices become available and wondering if it would be great to be able to have a phone in my pocket and a set of AR glasses to work on a terminal etc.

> But it comes back to the same thing: that poor puny device in my pocket is just so weak and already so battery challenged that I don't really want it to do more.

Does it though? Combined with the VR/AR type devices + a VM/host in cloud, your phone can run VSCode snappily with all the heavy lifting being done on the remote host. I tried this approach for a specific use case and really liked it - hardly any lag, full power of Linux, doesn't matter from where I connect and unlike the physical host, I don't need to take care of the VM. Of course, this is a developer-specific use case and the phone would indeed struggle in other scenarios requiring a powerful machine locally.
I find it incredibly hard to believe that customer satisfaction would not go down if Apple were forced to, for example, allow third-party app stores onto iOS. It’s easy to say “customer choice is the top concern, and if customers install bad app stores or bad apps that’s on them,” but the important question to me (and probably to Apple) is whether in practice customers are more or less satisfied.
I think, more realistically, perhaps those burned by this will reconsider contributing so much of their time to a for-profit company whose interests are wildly unaligned with theirs. Especially those who have been mods. In many cases, mods perform many hours per week of unpaid labor just out of passion for the community. This is seeming more and more like an unwise choice.

This seems like a really communist take, but it seems to me that if a site derives essentially all of its value from UGC and the work of moderators, it would be much more fair, if valuable contributors and mods had a significant ownership stake in the site. Perhaps a site will someday emerge with that model. Obviously, such a site would also need to actually BE at least mildly-profitable of course for that to make sense, which is not a trivial achievement.
Sure, I work for a German company though.

No BSc or MSc here.
I am planning on using my EU citizenship to have reddit wipe my history completely.
But what is the alternative?

I'll also just that I see the police union as a perfect example of what I called a US mafia style union. In Nordic countries you can't behave like this and get away with it in a union and there are pretty strict rules for what is and what isn't a legal strike.
That’s a really strange hill to die on. I know I learnt Pascal as a teenager on a Mac Plus. It had several third party development environments and there was a thriving shareware/freeware scene, developer tools were there. In the end what harmed the Mac was that it was much more expensive than PC clones.

Even when a BASIC implementation was built in, getting a better one from third parties was very common on all platforms. You can look at magazines from the time if you don’t believe it. The Mac was by design more of an appliance than the Apple ][, but it was not the black box some people here seem to think it was. This whole thread is full of assertions that are demonstrably false in about 10s worth of Google search.
Reminds me of r/philadelphia which was one point was modded by Europeans who didn't understand the city's roots.
Majority of users will not know about the new subreddit and simply be annoyed that the subreddit they visited for years is suddenly missing.
> I’m getting more convinced that the best move to improve the likelihood of a successful IPO (which IMHO this whole API clusterfuck is all about) is to fire spez and install a sane CEO.

Spez’s PR moves aren’t great, but it’s unrealistic to expect a new CEO to go easier on API costs.

If anything, a new CEO would make more of a push toward monetization. Reddit has been very light handed about monetization, charging, and tolerating ad blocking. Bring in a new CEO, chosen by the board, and it would likely be a full on squeeze toward making money even if it costs them a vocal minority of users.
Why are you downvoted?
Is your poc or a further description of it up online anywhere?
Breaking Bad reference. The other two commenters missed the joke.
Because most weren't very good to begin with, only created to get the originators promoted (usually far past their level of competence).
A study from last year shows that paying Reddit mods $20/hour would only cost $3.4 million/year, or ~3% of revenue. https://ojs.aaai.org/index.php/ICWSM/article/view/19318
There are numerous old threads about this page (and in fact many other writings/rants by the same author) - for example: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21668685
I assume there'd be a limit on the number of popular communities each server can handle. CommunityA@ServerB and CommunityC@ServerD can grow separately and you could participate in both.

If you had CommunityA at both, eventually everyone might migrate to ServerB; but then there's more room on ServerD for other communities.
Being comfortable saying 'I don't know' and admitting when I'm wrong.
Yeah, tbh, even iOS isn't a walled garden in a sense. You can pay them to allow sideloading.

We just want that for free. It doesn't have to be trivial to enable and certainly shouldn't be something that can happen by accident.
Previous thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36354850
There’s nothing new here. Socialism vs Capitalism. The revolutionaries will lose, and they should. If they want to fight Reddit, they should start their own enterprise and compete in the market. I’m in full support of owners getting rid of problem employees or even volunteers. Reddit is a private enterprise and their owners have the right to do what they please.
> Countries that reprocess nuclear waste still need a deep geologic repository

That's possible, but even if it's done, it's only necessary for hundreds of years (because the radioactive isotopes left over have much shorter half-lives), not 100,000 years. Big difference.
There must be some legal justification for reddit doing this.

https://gdpr-info.eu/art-17-gdpr/

Maybe Reddit users don't qualify for "Right to Erasure" because Reddit is still going, their data is being used, they technically didn't revoke "consent" and so on?
With how quickly Reddit and Twitter have destroyed their reputations, it almost feels like it's been intentional to bring down our giant public communication platforms as we enter a new age of misinformation.
The point is from an api design perspective something like

"posthog.getFeatureFlag('experiment-key')"

doesn't look like it's actually performing a mutation.
Information is money and power. No one deletes that.
Yet every sub poll I've seen after the blackout has been >50% support to continue it. The community wants the blackout.
I just recently setup a zpaq + insync flow to backup my drive data, I'll setup zpaq +imap for mails. Just recently migrated my mail adress to my own domain (sight Google domains).

I'm ready to degoogle.
Except:

1) Reddit says mod tools will remain free on the API (as well as disability tools)

2) Other moderators in this hacker news thread say the 3rd party stuff isn't necessary anyway.
Reddit is easier to read (comment threading) and is text only, which is its unique value proposition. PhpBB forum, which I ironically use way more than Reddit these days, have almost no threading and limits to 10 posts per page with no hiding posts unless block all user posts, and ad banners everywhere.

But I welcome any return to self-hosting, even though most site require membership until a user can view full scale images.
there’s always more people who want to mod. mods don’t own the content. i would expect reddit to have a rule saying if a reddit has over 1,000 posts it can’t go private. there’s already a ton of mod power and they can make money by keeping clearly paid content active
I got a bluetooth gizmo this week and tried to tie it into home assistant. Sensor values come in, but the battery level does not. The phone app shows battery level, so I know it's being sent. I'm looking forward to tinkering with wireshark some more and seeing if I can figure out how to get that battery level over BLE/GATT.
Nobody should be banned from anything. I'm literally member of a libertarian party (not the crazy american one).

What I'm arguing for is people who voluntarily buy devices which are locked down for themselves and their loved ones because we'd rather put sensible restrictions in place for ourselves.
Yes, there is a cost of ownership attached to physical objects. As a person who's moved around a bit in the last year, I can attest to that.
So, you'd delete your old comments because you would rather no one in the world get any kind of value from them since you are not getting any anymore?
This is the thing I don't think people understand. Just because you don't like the rules doesn't mean the mods are bad. Some communities have no-meme rules, this often elevates the conversation. And no "people will upvote and downvote what they want" doesn't work because you are now playing to the lower common denominator. If you don't like the rules, create your own sub with it's own rules. This has happened countless times in the history of Reddit. And before "But how will people know about the other sub? How will it get traction?" - That's a failing on Reddit's part, their discoverability is trash (as is their search).
They (or someone at least) are definitely using bots: https://i.imgur.com/4e9jO7P.jpg
B2C software increasingly needs to be at least source-available to prove security. It's hard to take a password manager or file storage product seriously if the client code isn't available for audit.

Say what you want about copyright, just revealing the source impedes your ability to commercialize it.

That means the client code can't be your secret sauce. The client code is effectively this table-stakes item that you have to release for free. The hosted server component is where you have to put your differentiators.
There are extensive skill trees and itemization choices. The roleplaying is choosing which skills and items you wish to use in your quest to vanquish demons.
Who knows. Maybe this will actually make people hesitate to trust everything to a private 'platform'. Maybe this will finally be the straw that breaks the camel's back and maybe even makes people consider the real issue at play ( platforms vs protocols ) and maybe even make appropriate conclusions. I am a dreamer.
It's a result of a more fundamental problem that was present from very early on: at most companies, "doing agile" is not for the benefit of the development process or developers, but for upper management.
More people are finding out that when a site or company says or pretends they have "deleted" something, that's not necessarily the case. Soon more will find out it's not just reddit, that holds on to or even transfers data for all kinds of undisclosed purposes or profit, that people think was gone or forgotten.