skysight-inc/HackerNews huggingface dataset:
That's correct. Defereration is a moderation tool. There are instances which explicitly cater to bad behaviour and they will be dropped by many others. It's fine. (Yes yes, it's not perfect and random problems do happen)

It's actually problematic when instances get too large to fail (like the two biggest mastodon ones), because when their mods cannot cope anymore, you can't realistically ban the whole insurance - too many users would be affected.

But that's still better than a single global namespace where you have to deal with single accounts every time.
Maybe, but in this case there was no golden eggs, Reddit had users but no way of making any money out of it other than by selling the data (which is exactly what they seem to be doing now).
A Friends and Family Safe Template
> You don't need to declare who gave you the money on the income tax filing.

Don't you? I thought that in the US you needed to have either a 1099 or a W2 for any significant employment income.
It’s ironic that you mention porn given the extent to which Reddit has so many subreddits devoted to porn topics that would be considered horrible racism and/or sexism if they weren’t hiding under the banner of porn.
> I assume digital identity à la eIDAS, BankID or Freja is not a thing in the US?

There isn't even standardised non-digital identity on which to build, so no.

It's funny how Americans will loudly proclaim Europe can't innovate and there's so much innovation in the US, yet they're practically in the dark ages in many areas - digital and offline identity, banking, insurance, healthcare, internet costs, tax filing etc. Fingers crossed the free market will come and innovate.
Seems like a reasonable decision to me. Moderators are not owners.
I agree with you on all points, except to nuance your last:

(1) This may not be true of other parts of the world, and in particular, it may not be true of countries outside the 'anglosphere'. (Anyone care to report on international FB health?)

(2) Even within the Anglosphere, there are still very specific pockets of FB which are viable. In my experience, they are usually attached to queer community and/or leftist organizing. FB activity has in fact picked up since the Muskpocalypse. I imagine it will pick up again now that the Fediverse is hitting the scaling wall imposed by using a protocol that is arguably exponential-ish big-O with federated server count. (https://hachyderm.io/@hrefna/110198847653604631)

I'm sort of hoping that Nostr takes off before BlueSky figures out a way of owning the fediverse. Or even Secure Scuttlebutt! Now that would be a weird timeline.
I think it's a small price to pay for removing a single point of failure, such as a greedy CEO.
> Is morality declining?

"People believe [...] last few centuries. "

I'm sorry but is this what morality is resumed to: being moral is not killing, raping or extreme forms of violence?

> "On average, modern humans treat each other far better than their forebears ever did—which is not what one would expect if honesty, kindness, niceness and goodness had been decreasing steadily, year after year, for millennia."

In my humble, uneducated and unqualified opinion, this is a false or at least an incomplete equivalence. You can be "more moral" today by this definition because you're not killing/raping people(i.e not doing extreme things) but can be less moral in day-to-day(average behavior) life by behaving less nicely (i.e the rest of the spectrum, -[extreme things]). This is not even accounting for the >good< things that one does, which is (imo) less common, on average, today.

> "Although there are no similarly [...] measures of such things."

And here lies the problem. On average humans are definitely "more moral" in the sense that they're not doing extreme bad things, so the "upper bound" of "bad behavior" has decreased for most. (A little caveat: as your "average human", because we're still definitely raping, killing, torturing , etc. but with a smaller # of humans). However, you have to taken into account where does the "lowest bound" of "nice behavior" is, or at leas where it's average is. You cannot seriously claim that day-to-day etiquette and good manners are as good as they were in certain periods in the past. The problem is that variance of behavior is harder to quantify due to increased population.

Ultimately this is a problem of viewing morality as a 0-sum game or not: is the moral spectrum between [behaving neutrally] - [extreme bad behavior] or is it [positive behavior] - [behaving neutrally] - [extreme bad behavior] ? This is also a cultural POV issue, because one would assume in the west(mainly Christian world) the spectrum would be the latter. So by having the more "complete" spectrum of including positive behavior, one would definitely say morality is declining, like many people do.
> I can't really think of any way to merge comment threads if multiple instances somehow shared a magazine despite having different mods. Can you imagine if half the comments in a thread vanished because a server shut down? I'm not sure that's even conceptually doable.

Not true merging, just a view to have multiple communities in one place. Maybe even with some extra interaction, like automatic crossposting & links to crossposted threads, but that’s future talk and nothing I put thought in. For now, I’d be happy with just being able to create multi’s exactly like on reddit.
like /r/trees and /r/marijuanaenthusiasts
Im not a fan of how reddit is handling the situation, but:

> To push an app no-one ever liked, you know that, but whatever. No-one likes “new” Reddit either, you know that, but whatever. Who’s even gonna use the site after this?

Is just not true at all unless you have actual stats to back that up. A ton of people disagree with that take. The site has grown a massive amount since the new design was released in 2018. So people dont mind it and probably never experienced the old layout. Additionally, the 1st party mobile app sits at #2 (2.6M reviews -- 4.8[1]) vs #10 (up from ~30 in May) for apollo (170.5k reviews -- 4.7[2]). That also tells me that a huge amount of users are perfectly fine with the reddit app.

So, knowing those basic facts, is it at all surprising that reddit is reacting this way? They are trying to keep the main, core userbase happy. The users/mods that are pushing this blackout are most definitely in the minority, and they are being disruptive to the greater userbase that clearly doesnt care.

disclaimer: old.reddit user of 13 years and only recently switched to apollo from alien blue. just calling it like i see it.

[1] https://apps.apple.com/us/app/reddit/id1064216828
[2] https://apps.apple.com/us/app/apollo-for-reddit/id979274575
https://archive.is/YBPoE
He is so right. When everybody is on iPhone / iPad - who develops the apps then? Back when i was young, computers encouraged curiosity, today these devices encourage to watch tiktok.
I think Valve’s Steam Deck does this too, quite successfully.
Nice explanation, but the Romans did use spears - the 7-foot heavy pilum. They just threw them. It was effectively used to disrupt a threat in a mass volley before swords were drawn and the zerg rugh. Several battles were won by the pilum - the battle of Telamon for example.
This is the most hilarious meme on HN
And there you have it. Reddit has solved both performance / scalability and moderation, and thinking it can be solved by going distributed / federated is naive. Every Reddit alternative has failed / is not as successful is because of this.
The readers and posters do not need to close the sub. Just unsub and then stop reading/posting.

Extremely simple. If they are too addicted to not do that... Well maybe solve that issue first.

As they leave the sub and reddit will naturally die and get eventually replaced.
Yes. That's exactly how it played out with Mastodon.
UML is also good for another thing, and that's been endless amounts of blog spam and article fodder
>it sounds like when it was suggested the fossil fuel industry burn less fuel...

But the fossil fuel industry doesn't burn very much fuel at all. You (and everyone reading this) buy it and burn it because it makes your lives so much better. Or buy electricity or other things which burned the fuel to make them.

>the real effect is that it gives cover for people who defend the fossil fuel industry

Gives cover, what an interesting phrase.

The context doesn't make the statement more coherent. Why are fossil fuels a problem absent the emissions? Resource scarcity and advancing technology have always led to changing energy sources and usage over time, no fear mongering about planetary extinction necessary.
Why do people keep bringing up Aaron Swartz around this? He was just an early developer for the site, not even part of its original creation.
> I imagine that anyone who knows where to look can easily find dozens of interested buyers willing to pay a lot more than that, from intelligence agencies and their contractors to crime syndicates.

If that were the case, why did even a single person report a vulnerability to Google? Why didn't these muppets just sell it to somebody else for ten times as much? I would suggest tha it's because what you claim isn't correct. It's not actually "easy", and the payoffs won't be "a lot more".

Now, it's pretty hard for anyone to actually refute your argument since literally the only evidence you're providing is your imagination. The one thing we do know is that tens of serious vulnerabilities were reported to Google via this program. Those are a concrete existence proof of this VRP being a sufficient incentive for bugs to be reported via this legit channel. Surely that outweighs your complete lack of evidence.
Can Rick Rubin’s creative genius rub off on you?
Some people here laughed at me when I said their financial projections are garbage, obviously have false assumptions given they’re actually implementing the plan.

It’s a sad thing to watch.
Sure but what's the point of types if none of the packages you use are using it or are even tested in the first place?

I also have the same story on the JS side, we upgraded the package to open notifications, they broke the API and kept the types the same. Now we added a test that notifications are working (we're basically doing the package maintainer's job).

Ruby's update story isn't prefect, far from it but I'll take it any day against npm. I worry at every package upgrade on the JS side.

What's making it even worse is that the stdlib is very limited on the JS side, so this effect is compounded by the number of packages needed to fill the gap.
If the bots are gaining enough karma to vote, maybe they deserve it.

To prevent the use of bot farms (or people farms) to stockpile votes, maybe we could look to the field of sybil resistance and digital IDs?

Stack Overflow has been holding moderator elections for a while. How do they do it?
For anybody interested in p2p secure messaging, there is an interesting, relatively young project http://cwtch.im/ aiming to be a metadata-resistant, decentralized messenger. The UX is a bit clunky and I definitely am not going to try forcing my friends using it (as I do with Signal), but for tech-savvy communication this definitely looks promising.
Ah, I see. Thanks for the clarification. I was going for “less capable at X”, but an emperor is quite a big job so he’s better at 75% of things that actually matter in practical life: planning, strategizing, managing, coercing, negotiating.

He was a fine emperor, but I have my specialties. Also, I have a good simple life for which I am grateful. Being an emperor sucks.
I disagree. Personally I still think Twitter is a goldmine for following the latest relevant releases of AI-papers (@_akhaliq), the current Stock market buzz (several accounts), and the Ukraine war from an OSINT and serious journalism perspective (@maxseddon).

You get what you decide to follow.
That’s probably why they’re extinct.

They couldn’t find seed investors.
CL0P Ransomware Gang Exploits CVE-2023-34362 MOVEit Vulnerability
I’m not active in this business, but I know people who are. It’s not as easy as you think it is. You cannot just go to a government and say “hey, here’s my bug, give me a million dollars”. First off, your bug probably isn’t worth a million dollars, at least if you’re just converting bug bounty submissions directly. They’re looking for reliable exploits, and payouts will depend on how long they can continue to field the chain (if it gets patched, you might be on the hook for another exploit!) and whether you’re selling it exclusively to them. Payouts will typically happen on a schedule.

Unless you’re a very known quantity they’re not going to talk to you directly, anyways. You’re going to go through a broker who will take a cut. My understanding (though I don’t know much about it) is that say, the NSA, has their own internal teams and they don’t need to buy anything anyways. The other federal agencies will contract out to a handful of firms that generally have salaried employees. You can work there, but now you’re seeing very little of the “profits” that come from the sale. Maybe your exploit will get some shoddy forensics glued into it and end up being sold as “data recovery” or something for a local police department, who probably doesn’t have much money to spare anyway.
Also some exponent, anything from ^2 to ^x, especially if multiple persons are involved.
This.

I don't want 10 user accounts in 10 places to access the stuff I want to access.
You know what made Reddit popular? Share ability. How the hell am I going to send a link to the Lemmy verse or whatever to my brother in law?
Nope, just a classic SQL injection attack on software used by a lot of people...
If someone interested, here is what the problem was

https://lkml.org/lkml/2023/6/15/734
It is also weird, because most people actually end up stuck liking things we liked as young. With work and familly, you don't have that much time to explore, your peers don't explore and you end up listening to same music just because how world works.

And that is fine. Elvis Presley generation listened to Presley whole their lives.
Reddit mods already have bots that do this for them. Subscribing to/commenting in the wrong subreddit will get you banned from a whole host of subreddits.
> Over time this platform, like many others before it, got infested with a group of people I like to refer to as rationalists.

I'm reading another instance of "eternal september" in this post.
DoH is now being used by malware to covertly communicate with C&C servers, blending in with all the other encrypted traffic routed through Google DNS. QUIC is quite similar in that the goal is to mandate encryption and obscure traffic and content from security devices. The only supposed benefit to consumers is for websites which need to load an excessive amount of ad content and scripts, again, doubling down on their core competencies at the expense of everyone else. HTTP/1 is more than serviceable for any website that isn't, at minimum, shoving ten times more ad content than actual content.

Honestly, I think that's a core misconception Google has managed to sell people on: That enterprise middleware is somehow bad and malicious, as opposed to the ad company that distributes malware as a primary revenue stream which tells you that the middleware that catches it is bad.

If network traffic is on my home network, I have a right to inspect it. If network traffic is on my work's network, my work certainly has a right to inspect it. To be blunt, with some regulatory supervision assumed, if you're using an ISP's network, they absolutely have the right to manage their network. Why in the actual heck did anyone buy Google's narrative that somehow enabling them to convert the Internet into an end-to-end encrypted ad delivery and spyware platform was a good idea?

The marketing acumen to pull that off, now that's legendary.
Multiple servers... Even on reddit I'd want a separate user for separate groups of subreddits... (at least for posting, for reading it could work as you describe, probably client could authenticate at one server, but connect to others to get the data). Just make sure that the client can support this cleanly/efficiently.
> People will literally create blacklists of sites, and if you don't follow the blacklist you'll get added to it.

This is why the Fediverse cannot work. More precisely, it can work, but only in the same way as the thing it tries to replace.

It's always the same story: The largest communities impose their rules on everyone else, under threat of exclusion from those communities. This creates power structures that are almost indistinguishable from the ones found on commercial networks. In one case, it's business interests that drive culture, in the other, it's the egos and personal ideologies of the most powerful community members.

I honestly don't know which one is worse.
That would be a really dumb idea, so I wouldn't be surprised if it happens.
> If you lack understanding of the truth, and can only refer to it through metaphor, then how do you know it is true?

Sure, then why bother systematizing its study in theology, would it be better to just study English language usage of metaphor?
What would you rather they do, go bankrupt?

Reddit is not profitable. They need a path to profitability to continue operating in a high rate environment.
The problem is that a complete graph doesn't really make sense because people are different and find different things acceptable.

I don't want Nazi shit on my reddit replacement. I'm assuming a lot of people here wouldn't want theirs to be full of commie shit. Then there's the religious nuts etc etc.

Think of it less as censorship and more as community self-segregation. I wouldn't go to a Nazi bar or Sunday school in real life, why would I want to be in the online equivalent?
Can we go back to separate forums? That was a better time.
Decentralisation isn't perfect, and has its problems. That doesn't mean it's the same as centralisation.
The Dispossessed is one of my favorite books of all time.
It wouldn't be for a professional investor if you paid dividends. VCs yes of course - they are part of the journey of growing a up front capital intensive company rapidly. They aren't generally long haul investors because if they were their money would all be tied up after a while.
Considering the debate is about choice of the entertainment, neither close minded nor open minded are contributing anything. That part is about what people do to relax.
I'd argue that Reddit is even more ideologically biased, especially on the largest subs. Personally, I quite enjoy both sites although they do have different types of content.
> I'm pretty sure he knew that Socrates didn't literally say "Mo money mo problems"

This is cracking me up, thanks.
It’s also possible that people prefer the channel that makes them feel better about themselves?
What you need to know about The MOVEit and its impact. Latest
Does that mean you can't be an idiot?
I didn't say they weren't the tastes of my childhood, I said they weren't the tastes of my childhood, with that emphasis. Perhaps it wasn't obvious what I meant if English isn't your first language. I was saying that they are childhood tastes (of my childhood, and loved ones!) but some among many and not defining ones. There's no semantic trickery involved. The insult I was responding to was the implication that because I enjoyed these drinks as a child it meant I had a limited diet and crude tastes.

The rest of it isn't worth responding to as I'm pretty sure I've had the exact same conversation with you before. You won't change your mind. Why you choose to live in a country you're so convinced is a shithole is a mystery to me, but next time I see you whinging about it on hn I'll know to walk on by.

The olive and garlic sourdough was wonderful. I don't care a jot if it doesn't conform to some arbitrary food rules you've invented.
I am not a lawyer, but if you wanted to float "it happened by accident" then having people willing to say "oh no, there was a HUGE amount of intentionality behind what boxes went where" and "he had really good recall of what was in which box and even in what order" can't really play very well.

I believe that the basis of his legal peril isn't the boxes exist: it's that after he was told, he obstructed justice by not immediately volunteering everything up. So at one remove, "he knew" is neither here nor there.
As opposed to Reddit, where admins have to forcibly intervene when subreddits frequently brigade each other. For all its foibles, the fediverse approach is solving actual problems with Reddit.
Hunh. You know what systems WEREN'T hit by the MOVEit hack? The System/1's in the missile silos.
Sure, online polls have obvious flaws (non-response bias, how many people actually saw the poll, who was motivated to actually respond to the poll, did voters actually understand the protest would last more than 1 day, should logged out lurkers have any representation, etc)

But beyond that, shutting down a subreddit for multiple days is such a drastic action, it should require more than just a simple majority in a quick online poll.

For instance, to amend the Constitution, you typically need a supermajority (2/3 or 3/4 of different parts of the government). To convict someone guilty in a trial, you typically need evidence beyond reasonable doubt and a unanimous jury verdict.

The burden of proof that users want to shut down the subreddit should be overwhelming.
Nothing wrong, but code is already formal enough that you don't need a formal visual language (UML is not just a bunch of diagrams, it's a formal language). So yeah, a bit of drawing might help to understand, a few ideas from UML might help, but it's not like it is super necessary.

As said, the sequence diagram is a real plus because sequence information is not very well expressed by code, so that diagram has much added value.

I personnaly find UML hard to use becaues if you want to communicate your ideas precisely, you have to know much of its formalism and most often, people who read your drawings don't master its intricacies, so communication quality is no good...
In general with the fediverse you go to the domain after the @ and over there use the search box to find the part preceding the @. In this case that leads me to https://lemmy.world/c/selfhosted
Sequence diagrams are good when you're already inside the system. Showing my age here but IMO, for sketching a high-level view of the whole system and how its components interact, nothing beats SSADM's data flow diagrams. You can go as detailed as you like. Break up parts into a new component: draw a ring around them, network traffic: note where the flows cross the rings and document the message sizes and rates.

Sigh Happy days ...
How about not being negative and sarcastic about this?

I’ve found practical ways for example mass data manipulation tasks where GPT saved me quite a lot of time.

You can find smaller tasks in your workflow as well which can be outsourced to GPT.
Find customers that need a solution, talk to them.

There were 200 alternatives when I started OnlineOrNot, and while it wasn't easy, it still attracted customers.
That's not an issue, that's the intent of federation. It's IRC/Forums etc but at a larger scale where you can more easily connect to similar channels and forums. You either accept that communities have the right to self-police whom they can talk to or not, or accept that you want a central authority to do that for you.
Oooof I can totally see Disney buying the subreddit.