Thanks for taking the time to read and respond :) Always appreciate a dialogue.

the others I've seen from bbor in this thread

I think we can both agree that using the word "bbor" in the context of this conversation is kinda funny.

fallacy

"Figure of speech"

Oh so you think I listen to Andrew Tate one day and now suddenly I'm abusing women?

Probably?

thousands of tiny incentive structures

Like... feeding them? Giving them shelter so they're less likely to die of exposure, and because people hate when they sleep within sight?

you believe everyone who is housed deserves to be the victim of assaults... because they aren't supporting your policies.

You literally spent the last 75% of your comment talking about the Strawman Fallacy and then...

To be explicit here: Ok, you win, no one decides to be homeless in literally one single moment, all of life is the culmination of decisions and life events, totally agree with you. The rest of my comment was about how fucking awful it is to be homeless. Which you would agree, no? I cited some insane statistic elsewhere here about them being almost 20 times more likely to be the victim of a violent crime, and 9 times more likely to be sexually assaulted.

I guess you don't have to work if you live on the streets, but I can't believe anyone would argue that they're "coddled". The only reason people would prefer homelessness is if they've been beaten down by the system to ridiculous degree, e.g. felons; what are they supposed to do after serving their time, considering it's way harder to find housing or employment in an economy that's already brutally hard? [1][2][3][4][5] From there, consider people who have suffered abuse, drug addiction, mental health issues, and just plain shit luck. Do they deserve whatever psychotic/violent shit "be tougher on the homeless" implies?

This is really the gist of it: what should we do?

Yes, my plan is housing first, on top of fixing our insane, unprecedented level of inequality (except for the Gilded Age, which hopefully we agree was a Very Very Bad Time). I think the idea expressed above that we just need to... beat them up more..? and that will fix the problem is heartless beyond belief. Curious to hear your thoughts!

1. https://www.fool.com/the-ascent/research/average-household-d...

Average revolving credit card balance, 2022 $5,910
Average personal loan debt, 2022 $18,255

2. Wage Stagnation in Nine Charts: https://www.epi.org/publication/charting-wage-stagnation/

3. Home prices are rising faster than wages: https://usafacts.org/data-projects/housing-vs-wages

4. 42% of Gen Z Diagnosed with a mental health condition: https://www.psychiatrist.com/news/survey-42-of-gen-z-diagnos...

5. Wealth inequality in the United States: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wealth_inequality_in_the_Unite...

Reich states that 95% of economic gains following the economic recovery which began in 2009 went to the top 1% of Americans
During the COVID-19 pandemic, the wealth held by billionaires in the U.S. increased by 70%... "the steepest increase in global billionaires’ share of wealth on record."
As of late 2022... 735 billionaires collectively possessed more wealth than the bottom half of U.S. households ($4.5 trillion and $4.1 trillion respectively). *The top 1% held a total of $43.45 trillion*.