skysight-inc/HackerNews huggingface dataset:
I've said it in a sibling post, but I don't believe our political systems are perfect models of democracy but are closer to benevolent dictatorships. It's comfortable, but that's not xhat the fediverse is about. There are plenty of centralized platforms with exactly the same problems as reddit, the fediverse is about building something else.
My past experience with 6 different Android devices doesn’t support your argument. All of them were Samsung devices with various Android versions. Maybe it’s different with official Google devices. However, if that’s the case then we need to stop making comparisons between iPhone and Android.
They are likely planning on eliminating external apps from using their API. Upon doing that, it no longer becomes feasible to delete your content. They get to keep it forever since they make it so hard to go post by post and delete it.

You also won't have any new features that you actually want, because they haven't listened from the get go and have never been responsive because you are the product not the client.
I see some comments saying they are happy moxie is out. I for one am saddened.

I trusted signal in part due to his persona. And his in your face attitude towards that one company that provided software to law enforcement that claimed to hack signal.
That's an automated message by request_bot which likely checks the mod logs of a sub and, if it's newer than X timeframe, will post that comment.

If you look at the admin comment posted on /r/ModSupport, it is likely that they'll support a redditrequest sooner or later.
over a year ago https://www.theverge.com/2022/1/10/22876891/signal-ceo-steps...
Apple Pay had a similar uphill battle. So were OS releases - carriers would blame it on “network compatibility testing”. Apple fought them at every turn. If carriers had their way, iPhones would be irrelevant after 2 years because Apple can’t update the OS. Similarly if side loading was allowed, companies that skirt the rules would simply list them outside and incentivise people to use that version. Once they have enough traction they’ll kill the App Store version. Although Android apps surviving so far would be a counterpoint. (I personally prefer it and want side loading. I’m just saying I understand the need for the wall).
This is unethical in so many ways. People are going to be thinking these are like Tuff-Sheds or something. They should have a button that says "Show Me What I Actually Get" and then show them just that.

And yes, I know it says "Steel Frame Only", but I only really noticed that after trying to see a complete listing of the parts.
Communist Cuba doesn't have a social network, but they do have a "sneakernet" [0]:

> El Paquete Semanal ("The Weekly Package") or El Paquete is a one terabyte collection of digital material distributed since around 2008 on the underground market in Cuba as a substitute for broadband Internet. Since 2015, it has been the primary source of entertainment for millions of Cubans

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_Paquete_Semanal
How about "conservative minachism", because you don't want to bring down the current system "in one fell swoop".
I would love to get a few more details describing how your mom uses the iPhone to run her business.
> Is the only acceptable use of your free time as an adult reading non-fiction about finding the meaning of life?

Of course not! You could also read about productivity. Or maybe a biography of Napoleon? I think those are both fine (got to check with my boss first).
This seems like a canned retort intended for usual cases of randos complaining about how a subreddit is run. But it doesn't work in the context of this discussion; if Reddit admins don't like how a subreddit is run they don't have to "make their own sub", they can just take control of the sub they already own. Make no mistake, moderators do not own these subs, reddit owns all of them. There is no compensation deal between reddit and the moderators, the moderators have no rights from the perspective of Reddit's owners.
Good! I'm tired of drama from 3% of the Reddit population (or less) impacting the other 97% negatively.

I just don't think either side has the moral high ground. The mods like the convenience of 3rd party apps. I get it. It's not a real moral issue.

Reddit has both said moderator-specific as well as disability related APIs will still be free.
In 2020-2021 it seemed like 20-30% of my contacts were using signal as their SMS/MMS app of choice. Then they forced SMS users off the platform, giving some reasoning that SMS users don't understand which messages get encrypted, or something. I lost track of signal's usage and uninstalled it after it lost SMS support. At this point I don't know anyone still using Signal regularly anymore.
Why does this remind me so much of:

https://youtu.be/o5d_navtr80?t=172
I mean I get that for absent-minded browsing but even just...having a hobby and talking about it with people feels pretty much like Normal Person Behavior(TM) and Reddit's subreddits worked well for that in the same way that forums in the past did.

Not the end of the world but as a kid who only could find other people to talk about certain hobbies with online up until college sounds like a lot of pepole will be more bored.
those are search trends and not usage trends.
That's not really true. 3P apps don't strip out ads. The API never included them in the first place.

I think it would've been interesting f reddit let the API exist in an ad-supported way and had a TOS that would prevent apps from removing the ads for non-premium users
I think anonymous social media as the mainstream is a fad, the end-point is going to be more like Snow Crash, minus the artistic flair. I think text-based, possibly anonymous social media will persist, but it won't be what billions of people are doing.

Most of the problems with social media come down to the ability of people to separate themselves from the consequences of their speech and actions. I don't think that lack of anonymity should be enforced, I just think it's the natural progression of people trying to gather in groups on or offline.
Are there alternatives to Dex?
There is no such thing as “the internet community”. There is just humanity.
Maybe it’s too harsh that I used the term “whining idiots”, but if you’re going to make a retort you shouldn’t play into “whining” by being sarcastic. Sarcasm doesn’t win anyone over ever.
Opening the walled garden doesn't simply add more choice. Here's one example, the Mac App Store. It's a ghost town. Even probably the most downloaded app ever, Chrome, isn't on it. If the iPhone allowed non-App-Store apps, you'd soon find yourself required to download each app from a random website. Which is fine on a Mac but not necessarily what people want on iPhones.
> Looking at Reddit's new API pricing, 100 calls per day per average user would cost $0.72 / month

The problem I think they will run into is that this 100 calls per day average is across all users, even those who don't use it that much.

Once you intersect that with the users who care enough and are willing to pay $2+ per month the average calls per user will blow out.

You pretty much have to be a heavy user in order to justify spending money on it.

And the Relay dev even points that out:

> An example is that a subscription could act as a filter where mostly high-rate users convert.
1. never used it

2. never bought any

3. too much work

4. as soon as my RedditIsFun app stops working
And yet, people whine incessantly about YouTube Premium or about Netflix not letting people squat on each other's accounts.
"Subreddits belong to the community of users who come to them for support and conversation. Moderators are stewards of these spaces and in a position of trust."

This seems like a totally reasonable position. I don't want subreddits that I care about held hostage by some moderator with a vendetta.
No, it’s all done on iPad, you can develop and publish an app without using a computer at all: https://screenrant.com/publish-ios-apps-ipad-swift-playgroun...
Q1 earnings (https://s25.q4cdn.com/442043304/files/doc_financials/2023/q1...) says 383M daily active users and $1.3B in costs (including sales, administrative, etc), for ~$3.50/user/quarter or ~$14/user/year. So far above $2.50/user/year. Even just using cost of revenue is ~$4.50/user/year.
I think the big cloud providers have warped peoples' sense of what these things actually cost (and also the massive scale of these userbases that allows the costs to be spread widely). Egress is one places where providers make their (significant) margins.
Making that argument about, say, Cuba makes plenty of sense to me. Sure, there's a relatively oppressive regime, but they also have made a lot of moves that genuinely have the people's interest at heart, and most people's needs are being met. That claim doesn't work when almost half your populace is starving: literally the second most important human need is being failed.
Yeah I don’t think most NEETs “ coming back to live with parents after the dream of skateboarding-pop-singer career didn't pan out” as described by GP. In fact, most NEETs I’ve interacted with don’t even have the confidence to get a retail job.
There may be some confusion between upscaling and denoising. You might notice I keep editing my comment because it’s really really hard to find old Nvidia release announcements.

Update: https://youtu.be/6O2B9BZiZjQ looks good around 3:54 Nvidia refer to “deep learning for image denoising” which to me seems like DLSS.

Ray tracing without DLSS might be a different denoising technique. Is it really slow when you turn it on ?
Sure. At the same time, if you hold a protest on a platform you don't control, don't be surprised if the platform owners seek to remove you from the platform. A private entity is not obliged as a democratic government is to support the will of their users.
Cellebrite[0] is the company in question.

[0]https://signal.org/blog/cellebrite-vulnerabilities/
Right, but to an average developer, organizations look and feel very much like namespaces.

LWN even used namespaces in the title of the article describing the feature, which doesn’t help the confusion: https://lwn.net/Articles/930509/
Information is distributed across instances. If instance A hosts community C and a user on instance B subscribes to that community, its posts will be duplicated on instance B.
I'm aware what walled garden means.

All of the benefits I listed are a result of, or helped by, the walled garden. The app store requirements are part of that walled garden.
You are not wrong but the real problem is not profitability, but constantly increasing profitability, quarter over quarter.
All of these experiences resonate with me. The pendulum has swung hard to the continuous deployment model and just like the other side of the long arc of the pendulum not everything about it is good.
Is that true? mv isn't an application. To me, the GNU toolchain is more like an application, but the individual parts like GNU ld, GAS, ar, GCC, etc. are just programs, not applications themselves. And even then, application feels like it implies GUI, maybe?

I'd say something like GNUCash is an application, but hledger feels more like a program. Brewtarget is an application, but bc isn't.

Certainly app and application are synonyms.
There are a lot of people willing to be moderators, out of their 1 billion monthly active users. The current mods were also once regular users.
> People in this thread itself are talking about how they wish NK would be invaded. You can justify pretty much anything using any justification as long as enough people believe or support it.

So what is your point here? That it would be...wrong to invade? Something else?
You are right, i thought for a moment I was in usagetrends.google.com
I appreciate the work good mods put in but I'm only loyal to the concepts of my favourite subs, or to the people who post on them. I don't know of anything online like /r/signalidentification, for instance, and I'll continue to go there in the future even if the blackout has given me a chance to move back from Reddit as a whole.
Cloudflare $9.15/ year

Everyone hates them but they're providing the a competitive deal because the domains are a lead for the read of their business.
> Is the only acceptable use of your free time as an adult reading non-fiction about finding the meaning of life?

Of course not. There's also alcoholism.
A lot of folks here will commiserate with reddit's position - Microsoft and Google and ChatGPT are making billions from programs that were built using data gleamed from reddit's API's, and they didnt have to provide reddit with a single penny in return. Reddit has to do something to prevent the gold rush of data mining that is bound to occur from other companies building their own copycat LLM's.
> The only option after fucking over volunteers is that Reddit can start paying people to moderate and keep their platform working.

Sounds good.
I disagree. If you find the right communities, you really make close friendships with people - even if you don't know their real names, how old they are, where they work, or where they live. None of that matters, because you share and connect over a common interest. And you could never find so many people IRL with similar interests as you.

If this isn't how you're using reddit, discord, etc, and it's easy to disconnect from them, then yeah just leave them. But they foster meaningful interactions too.
My iPhone shouldn't handle laptop tasks. I do think the iPad is really silly, like an intentionally gimped laptop where people for some reason jump through hoops to make it work almost like a regular laptop, even spending $300 on a keyboard. But that's fine cause I simply buy a MacBook instead.
This is why I think federated alternatives like Lemmy are important and I would like to see communities migrate there instead of some other corporate walled garden. Otherwise we'll just be having the exact same discussion about some other website in five years. It pains me to see even a lot of FOSS-focused communities move their discussions to Discord, for example.

Most of the criticisms of the federated platforms centre around how they are difficult to use for the average user and could never achieve the scale that Reddit has. The difficulty point is a valid one and work should probably be done on that. But at a certain point I just don't really care, particularly about the scale point. The communities that are valuable to me aren't the huge ones full of "average users", they are (mostly) smaller communities full of people interested in tech and FOSS in particular. I can figure out federation and so can most of the people I probably want to hear from.

I don't mean any of this to sound elitist, I just feel like people who browse /r/pics and people who browse /r/selfhosted (for example) are probably different user bases with different preferences. If Reddit were to keep the former while the latter were to move to some other, slightly less seamless but more sustainable platform, maybe everyone wins.

There are, of course, a few non-technical subreddits I like that would fall through the gaps here, in that their average user might not appreciate a federated alternative. In days of yore those communities would have inhabited forums; I wouldn't mind seeing a resurgence of those.
I like Squarespace’s domain hosting. The only problem is indeed that they will be a couple of bucks more than competitors.

That being said, they seem the most stable of the companies in this space that is not otherwise egregiously bad in some way or the other, so I’ve been willing to pay those few bucks more. For the key domains I own it adds up to around $20-$30 more a year which isn’t bad for the greater piece of mind IMO.
We certainly could and I think, given a stringent set of regulations around record keeping of corporate decisions, we should.

Passing such a set of laws seems like a pipe dream at best, though.
The total Seattle property tax is $8.29 per $1000. $.20 is a massive 2% increase.
It’s OK. From what I’ve read, nobody actually knows how it works. I mean we know we have layers and weights, but how those emit what looks like intelligence is not understood by anyone.
Without taking sides, the main insight of this whole debacle is how incompetent Huffman and his team are. Dude failed an AMA on his own platform, how he could not know what that AMA was going to look like? He was absolutely not prepared. Absolute dolt.
Yet every time I point to the root of the problem -- that most social media web properties are privately owned by their respective shareholders, who just benevolently let you store your* texts and photos at their premises for free -- I get downvoted heavily here on HN. The community doesn't want to hear that here.
Reddit has already said moderator APIs and disability related APIs will remain free. They are keeping their subreddits closed because they don't want to be inconvenienced. Mods don't have the moral high ground.
"I bought all of them knowing very well what I'm getting into..."

No you didn't.

I mean, languaging is important here. You didn't know what exactly Apple would be doing with their walled garden. You essentially went in with faith that Apple deciding things would be better than whatever Android is (and I'm not sure Android isn't just a more haphazard walled garden but still).
As long has humans are genetically predisposed to be addicted to it, I doubt it. Maybe in 200k years.
Very nice. There were decades of thoughtfulness and science that suddenly got replaced with "well, it looks cooler".
My mom who now has dementia couldn't figure out how to use her iPhone but could totally use a Mac. The Mac doesn't really have a walled garden and I'm pretty sure you're using correlation not causation. I'm very sure that a Walt garden doesn't make a thing actually easier to use. It's just what you're familiar with and willing to teach your mom to use.
> what makes you think they'll stay open even if they weren't leaving?

The fact that their lender probably wants to squeeze any return they can out of it and they stand to lose far more money leaving it with lights off than at least letting it limp along until they can get someone else on the hook for it, to start.

It could be that the lender also writes off the loss and just shutters the mall, but usually properties in foreclosure stay open because they want to claw back as much make-up ROI as possible on an already down position.
I’m assuming you’ve talked yourself into believing HN isn’t social media?
No this method prevents liability. It’s like Facebook private groups. If there’s anything wrong you deflect the blame and remove the group/moderator.

This lets you get the best of both worlds. Outsource the responsibility and the blame.

Mods are meant to be replaceable scapegoats. Also stock traders don’t care. Some investment bank will trot it out on a road show to mutual funds promising the IPO pop and everyone goes their merry way.
Ah yes, the “lowest common denominator” argument. Personally, I hate the idea that everyone should be punished because some people can’t handle something.
> Why couldn’t we do the same thing on an open platform through similar technical means? Whose to say that we couldn’t do it better?

Exactly. Why? Because no other manufacturer who ships millions of devices an stays in control of their ecosystem was interested in this move. Millions of difficult to track iPhone users are still valuable to Facebook because they need MAUs. So Facebook had no choice but bend.
In this more mature internet, a demise of reddit would be more impactful.

"Google is getting a lot worse because of the Reddit blackouts" [1]

Digg never had this influence, nor a decade plus of useful threads with information not found anywhere else.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36319392
Pedantically, that's not how cost per user works. Whether you have a billion users or 3, $2.50 / user is $2.50 per user.

And that infrastructure costs the same whether you riddle the platform with advertising and influence, or leave it pristine. In fact, leaving it pristine costs far far less to society, all things considered.

Anyway, 'at scale', $2.5 bn is a drop in the ocean. There are thousands of people who could pay that all on their own. The global economy is 100 trillion dollars (as of 2021). And there's this thing called taxation, which sorts out public goods and services (such as communication) at scale.
> but it's an extreme form of selfishness to demand that someone else sacrifice earnings to provide perpetual unfettered platform access to things that were put on the platform of posters' own accord without coercion.

In that same sentence you highlight why it's not selfish. Reddit wants content and moderation, they're not paying shit for it. It's only a fair trade for people to keep their tools and clients in exchange.

I've said this before but yea, Reddit can do both all by themselves as well. Not sure how profitable that'd be though.
>They can sure try. Getting a mod team that gels well and keeps the community functional is non trivial though in my experience especially for tricky subs like politics

Are the current mods of /r/politics even doing that good of a job?
> "Edge" refers to the fact the workload runs close to the customer either a few network hops away or on their browser.

But Wasmer Edge does not run close to most customers and does not run on their browser.

> Wasmer Edge are in an alpha release phase thus the edge network is kept purposely limited in this early pilot to take a careful approach to its expansion.

I think Edge is something where a limited pilot makes no sense. It would be like selling a database that is only available in the morning. If having very low latency is a key concern of mine then a service close to half my users is much less than half as useful as a service close to most of my users.

> Wasmer also have plans to build a hybrid environment between the browser itself and the edge network which will unlock some really exciting use cases thanks to WASIX.

If this isn't running in the browser than it has to be running in a server. By between the browser and the edge network I'm guessing you mean you'll purchase a large number of servers even closer to users than existing edge networks. That's hard, and your product so far doesn't suggest expertise in that area. I don't see how wasm will significantly help you get more servers closer to users than existing companies in this space.

> Ignore the troll reply... he is paid (or just sells himself for free) by the competition to discredit...

Based on your parenthesis I'm assuming that you don't actually know anything, you just assumed that because he's critical he's a troll?

> just downvote him.

Why don't you respond to their argument
One should never trust a corporation, who only acts in the interest of money, is my point. That they even trusted them in the first place is a gross misjudgment. It's not about what words a corporation utters, it's about what actions it takes that determines its value.
> Dubai is not Saudi Arabia

when it comes to LEDs, is a good way to remember it, Dubai vs "don't buy"?
Can it be that between docker and digital ocean giving you a gig of ram for $6/mo, people are just DIYing it much more often these days?
> high definition videos and measurements with no other rational explanation.

I think that ship has sailed. Everything is forgeable, and provenance is difficult to establish at scale. Not that this in any way detracts from your point.
> why?

I guess I'm just not used to phones being as powerful as they are.
Agreed... They are deceptive on purpose...
If you file a ticket I bet you'd get escalated if you mention that it's a "security risk".
What phone platform is both open and lets you communicate over iMessage without absurd workarounds?

To get a blue bubble you must give up control over your mobile life to Apple.
They aren’t switching to paid moderators because their business model is unable to support paid moderators. They also have an army of willing volunteer moderators that they can throw under the bus if something goes wrong.