Here's what Ted Kaczynski wrote in February 2018 about the experiments in a letter[1] to journalist Andrew Kaczynski (no relation):

> ... media reports about me have generally been loaded with bull manure. In particular, reports about the Murray study have been wildly, wildly exaggerated. People write to tell me how sorry for me they feel because I was "tortured" again and again by the Murray group as part of an "MK Ultra experiment allegedly carried out by the CIA. Actually, there was only one unpleasant experience in the Murray study; it lasted about half an hour and could not reasonably have been described as "traumatic." Mostly the study consisted of interviews and filling out pencil-and-paper personality tests. The CIA was not involved.

> About 15 or 20 years ago a TV journalist named Chris Vlasto (if I remember the name correctly) looked up some of the other participants in the study and found that nothing had happened that was worth reporting in the media. My brief correspondence with Vlasto should be available in the University of Michigan's Special Collections library at Ann Arbor.

You can actually hear one minute of the recording of that half hour session with Ted Kaczynski on a series "A History of Persuasion" produced by WNYC, that was on their podcasts On the Media and The Stakes. It starts about 9:50 into the episode 2[2].

> AMANDA: But I wanted to find out what actually happened that day in that room. And I managed to track down a recording of this actual interview with Kaczysnki.

> MALE VOICE: This is Monday evening, March 14th, 1960. Dyad #12 is about to begin between Mr Sh- and Mr Kaczynski. K-A-C….

> AMANDA: ... Only a handful of people have ever heard this before. This is the law student:

> INTERROGATOR: I ought to warn you before I start this, I do not have a very favorable impression of you as a result of reading your philosophy but let me just tick off a few preliminaries and then we will get to what I really didn’t like. First...

> AMANDA: And this... is Kaczynski

> TED KACZYNSKI: Yeah well all through this thing, uh, you’ve been saying well this and that, but you haven’t given me any arguments or reasons, you say that…

> INTERROGATOR: Well, Mr Kaczynski I have just formed an opinion of you and it’s not particularly favorable...

> AMANDA: You can hear, Kaczynski sounds annoyed.

> KACZYNSKI: I think the reason, one of the reasons you attack my philosophy so vigorously is because you don’t want to believe it.

> INTERROGATOR: (laughs)

> KACZYNSKI: And, in your, you uh… I think the way you laugh is an indication of that too.

> INTERROGATOR: Do you really?

> KACZYNSKI 1960: Yeah I do. But of course I’m no psychologist.

> INTERROGATOR: I’m trying to keep this -- hold on, I’m no psychologist Mr Kaczynski …

> AMANDA: To me, it sounds like a very uncomfortable college debate class.

> KAI: Right, I mean it’s hard to imagine that would break somebody.

> AMANDA: Right. I also managed to find someone who was there. Another undergrad who took part in the experiment at Harvard. Philip Bradley says yes, this was a pretty uncomfortable. But the idea it was damaging...?

> PHILIP BRADLEY: Bullshit. Or I should say, that's ridiculous.

> AMANDA: And you're sure because... you were, you were there, it sounds like....

> BRADLEY: Yeah. I mean how, how could you think that something like that would be permanently psychologically damaging to someone that would push somebody into becoming a psychopath. I mean I just... that idea is just to me so far fetched and I don't know how it's become part of popular lore.

> AMANDA: It’s clear that this theory just isn’t true. This is not what broke Ted Kaczysnki. It’s not the reason he tried to kill James McConnell. And yet it’s totally taken off. It’s been in all of these books, there’s these articles, it was in the TV show “Manhunt,” about the Unabomber.

[1] https://i.imgur.com/VP4Qpag.jpg

[2] https://www.wnycstudios.org/story/on-the-media-history-persu...