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Mac/MacOS is piping hot garbage, I have one through work and I only ever use it as a 4th screen (aka Slack and Email machine) to the left of my actual work setup, since the thing shits itself whenever you try working with more than a single extra screen connected.

When forced to use it due to being in office or whatever I just ssh into my home setup & control it through Parsec, every time I have to actually use the thing I get the urge to toss it out of a window
Consider trying any VR headset first, the interface has a few unanticipated effects for many people. Eg, nausea, headaches, dizzyness etc. A "productivity workflow" might only last half an hour before you're fatigued from its innate unnaturalness.
I'm not exactly sure what the "aha moment" is for this compared to the iPhone launch. Don't get me wrong, it looks incredibly exciting and I love new shiny tech but the demo videos felt incredibly lonely and I can't really picture myself using this on a daily basis for hours. I have a Quest 2 that gets used once, perhaps twice a month for VR Chat or to entertain family/friends with Beatsaber. Once you played enough VR, you kind of get over it.

It's like the iPad for me. When I want to get serious work done, I use a MacBook. For quick stuff, the iPhone is sufficient. The iPad then ends up being an entertainment device.
Yes, I agree with this. I'll only be buying one of these if it means I can replace my work displays with it–I'd happily pay the exorbitant price if it meant being able to have the equivalent of an unlimited high-res display anywhere, at any time. The lack of sub-pixel rendering on macOS means that I'm already forced to buy an expensive 5K display for every place that I plan to do work; a headset like this is a bargain in comparison. Obviously this means that the headset will have to be comfortable enough to use for long periods of time and have high enough resolution to compete with a hiDPI display. I doubt that this device will be able to deliver on both of those fronts.
Well, not the same, but people like to bash anything Apple. The Apple naysayers. usually they are heavy windows/linux users (there’s not much else)

I bought the AirPods because I wanted exactly that. Sadly the batteries died in 1.5 years, so I’m boycotting the AirPods for now.

Nobody I know bought AirPods because they look cool or because they want to show off they’re rich. AirPods are very affordable.. they just work really really well. Why is that so hard to believe?

And yes, people are more aware of items which are visible.. but that’s a different story.

WRT the vision pro, sure you won’t walk around outside with them, but if they work as advertised, they don’t have to.

The M1 air didn’t sell a gazillion times because of its looks. In fact, you couldn’t tell it from the older models, so that point simply is not valid.

People talk, people ask opinions, if the majority of the opinion from experience is positive yes it will result in more sales.
You wouldn't want to get your expensive Vision Pro all sweaty now, would you
They've already made it clear that you can do that without a glove... (as well as optionally using physical devices instead).
I've definitely experienced that ChatGPT workflow here where you just kind of constantly fighting it to get the right answer and then give up disappointed.

However, my most recent use of ChatGPT was to create a very large SQL MERGE statement. I could have coded it by hand but it was long and the MERGE syntax is sufficiently unfriendly so I just pasted in the table structure and what I wanted and it generated the several hundred lines of code I needed. Boring tedious stuff.
Oh thats weird. China was looking OK when I posted this, but now its lighting up too.
Furries have a lot of money and are often technologically proficient. It probably won't take long after release before it's possible to transpose an avatar or fursona over someone, a mix of VR Chat and IRL.
Okay. So, really basic things like unit tests, forecast models, or VS Code Extensions Not useful? Hard sell.

The reason why ChatGPT isn't "good at code" is because it just needs more training data and feedback. That's it. And it appears that this is a decision from above to not give GPT-4 that kind of training data (for now). One can guess as to why (...job market).
Where does the tax revenue that funds UBI come from? (those who are able). Where do UBI payments go? (those who need). It's written right on the tin. What happens when those who can't or won't contribute realize they "need" more?

The "no strings attached" idea is a fantasy. How many times do we need to learn the same lesson.
A laptop that can’t be upgraded likely also can’t be fixed by the user.
I’d like a realistically user-fixable laptop - especially as I (unfortunately) bought a 2017 MB Pro which has had a screen failure, a prematurely dying battery, and the well-known butterfly keyboard issues.
12ms puts it at about 90hz latency. I play games on a 144hz screen, and I can tell the difference between 90 and 144 hz, and that's on a bad screen at an arms length from my face that's definitely not trying to convince me I'm looking at reality.

It'll probably be in the same ballpark as a good transparency mode on headphones -- close to indistinguishable in small bursts, but long term causes alienation/lack of presence.
Yup, that's what I meant by "practically." Nobody forces you to use the Microsoft.x nuget packages, but good luck at finding packages that don't rely on Microsoft.DI, or Microsoft.Hosting, or what-have-you.
Steam Games are a one-and-done deal, while App Store games are slimy with subscription mildew.
Can you take all that with you anywhere you go though?
The VR ecosystem feel feels a lot like the early 90s all over again. FPS mods, small community on fanatics, 90s wild west internet... Just saying, a lot of the comments here are coming from people who have never used VR. It's the obsessive kids right now that will drive the next 10-20 years, like I bet, a lot of what we do now was driven by 90s kids.
I think you proved their point. A very small minority of enthusiasts and professionals wear $3500 watches and >$100,000 cars.
That comment is wrong. The rules clearly state that there has to be ongoing litigation on the patent. Otherwise, basically nobody could IPR anything until they get sued.
What kind of sucks about tech is you start realizing people mainly just do the same stuff they did 25 years ago with it. Only today, the hardware has to be 1000x as powerful to run all the shitty bloaty software that's still just serving email, rendering spreadsheets, chat, images, videos, news, online shopping, etc, as its ever been. It's like we've been in this arms race for sexier and more resource demanding window dressing, versus something that I actually couldn't do before, and there has been absolutely no letting up.
Just drag a window from the sidebar (stage manager) on the desktop. It will take the front most window of that app.

It’s kind of buggy at times though.

I have a stage with a few terminals, vscode, and a development browser
> Does someone watch an entire 2+ hour movie with a sweaty headset strapped to them (and plugged into a socket) instead of on a couch with their family/friends?

Let's be real, most media content is being consumed on phones these days. In those cases? Yes, a headset is basically just a smartphone for your face.

But I agree about the demos in general focusing on stuff you can do already just fine in 2D. There was very little that looked like a useful application of a HUD. No 3D modeling work, no superimposing digital info over relevant real-world objects... just normal computer and smartphone tasks, but wearing a big sweaty heavy expensive face-screen.
> Does someone really sit on their couch, put on a massive headset, and scroll through their vacation photos?

There was a time that people said the same thing about digital photos -- people swore nothing would ever replace physical photo albums, and thought the idea of having to look at a screen to view your vacation photos was insane.

Now just imagine a few generations from now when Apple Vision is the size of a pair of regular eye glasses.
Steam and Apple models are extremely different. What you buy on Steam can’t be launched outside of Steam but Steam is happy to serve as a launcher for content coming from outside of it and will allow said content to use its extra functionalities (controller support and chat notably). Valve hardware is always notoriously open. The deck runs and allows you to access Linux.

Apple is completely different and outside of MacOS strictly controls everything.
Web was just the new shiny.

People like the new shiny.

Forum posts also had embedded images, and didn't require installing/configuring/maintaining a separate application.. all you needed was your web browser.
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Stuck at a desk, sure, but as it stands I need a pretty big desk to hold my ultrawide monitor while still having enough room to hold regular physical things like notebooks, test hardware, and other tools. Being able to ditch the monitor and work with just a small 13" laptop would make small desks more practical.
I blame it on Diablo 4 launch.
I don't know that it's obviously wrong. I know a handful of devs that have been using LLMs as part of their development process. About half of them have seen some increased productivity from doing so (none of them produce better code).

So it appears to me that neither the ones claiming that AI helps them, nor those saying it doesn't, are wrong. Not everyone finds AI to be helpful when coding.
I find it fascinating that Apple is deliberately avoiding the terms VR or virtual. 51 uses of the word "spatial" but only 1 "virtual" which is also not in the context of VR. https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2023/06/introducing-apple-vis...
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Have there really been many failed Apple products since Steve’s return? As many failures as wins?

There were failures during Apple’s 80s/90s struggles but not many come to mind in recent decades.
If I were him I'd pivot to ARM, like, really.

I wouldn't be surprised if there's more PFLOPS in all ARM devices combined than any other arch.

But I reached out a few days ago and the guy is a dick so good riddance.
“Just” move a zillion tons of wood halfway across the earth.
They're just ridiculous with Mac Pro pricing. $3k for pretty chassis and $3.5k for chassis with wheels. It's a joke. They didn't even match specs for previous Intel Mac Pro, when it comes to RAM.

IMO this announcement is just a funeral for this product.

Mac Studio is fine, I guess... I hate small computers so I would prefer huge empty box with lots of air inside which is likely to be silent. But not with this overprice.
If the displays and sensors on the device are as good as they say they are, I'd buy it.

Watch a movie, play a game, workout, code, dance, be fully immersed. Like have multiple screens around my garage walls in 3D where I can walk up to them.

I tried NReal AR glasses, Roku, Quest, Holo lens. They didn't feel right.

If Apple vision pro could really take me to another world, be immersed for multiple hours, $4000 (including tax) is worth the experience.
No, that's clearly not true. Otherwise this thread would not exist
Might want to check out the Tap XR.

https://www.tapwithus.com/product/tap-xr/
I think that price tag is not for end consumers, but early adopters/builders. There is going to be a gold rush of "maybe I can make that flashlight app that makes me a millionaire".

Fun times incoming.
I mentioned this in my comment. As a technical matter, you could simply not take binaries. But as a commercial matter, you could not; if you didn't have binary groups, you weren't offering real Usenet (and if your binary feeds weren't ultra-reliable, you were offering shitty Usenet). The result was a consolidation of the platform down to a small number of providers willing to invest large amounts of resources to placate binaries users.

If lots of people aren't running NNTP servers, there's not much reason to use Usenet. By the time Reddit and Digg rolled in, it was no contest.
Whatever happened to that Google glass tech? Didn't look as "sweaty" as those bigger VR sets.

> Yeah, I'll keep my monitors, mouse and keyboard, and my smartphone, thanks.

I don't see why we'd need to replace both input- and output devices at the same time.
Improve the output first and maybe the input later.
A question I ask of all VR gaming enthusiasts: how much time do you spend on VR games versus other games?

A while back I rented an Oculus Quest. For the first week, it was the hot property in the house. By the end of the second, the kids were back on their Switches and nobody even noticed when I returned it. Asking around, I know a bunch of people who own VR gear of one form or another, but I still haven't met anybody for whom it's a daily driver, or who spends most of their gaming time using it.
> I was thinking, that for Mac Pro they will go somehow with multiple processors and some magic with shared memory access...

That is what they did. Read what they wrote about their interconnect. It's just all inside a single package. Look up "chiplets".
I'm a blogger too, not as famous as Julia, but I'm too famous for my tastes. [1] [2] [3] [4]

I agree with Julia's points perfectly! In fact, some of those four posts were "boring" (I thought), but got a lot of traffic.

I just want to add two more myths that are unfortunately pushed in today's clickbait culture.

Myth: You need to make your posts clickbait.

One of the posts linked about used clickbait-ish titles ("Considered Harmful"), but they weren't very clickbait-ish in general. Yes, my thesis may have been opposite of mainstream, but I don't think the titles were clickbait.

Myth: You need to make your posts appeal to people's emotions, i.e., make them ragebait or similar.

Those four posts are my highest traffic posts on HN, and they were all level-headed posts.

I had an earlier version of my "Considered Harmful" post, and it was ragebait, but it didn't get much traffic (thank goodness!).

Be constructive.

I think if there's a theme to Julia's points, it's that: be constructive and useful. Sometimes, that means being boring. Sometimes it means having a short post, sometimes a long one. Sometimes, it means repeating something. Sometimes, it means skipping concepts.

My $0.02.

[1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34662666

[2]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30965805

[3]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28736238

[4]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29671325
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A battery that is actually safe?

How much profit do you think Apple makes from selling batteries and replacement services considering how relatively few Macs Apple sells and how often people upgrade?
I know, but it’s not as fast. :)
Wagner and the Radioactive Ents would be a cool band name.
Agreed that ChatGPT can be a bit of a hit or miss when you ask it to produce code. But, I'd say a good 50% of the code I recently wrote was actually created by AI and I'm a lot more productive thanks to it.

3 big use cases for me so far:

- Github Copilot is just great. Often it helps fill in the code I was just about to write (or Google search). It just saves time, period. Plus, there's been at least a few times when I was ready to throw in the towel at the end of the day. But carried through as Copilot suggested the next line or implementation of a method I wanted to just create a placeholder for.

- ChatGPT for a project in an unknown domain. A few weeks ago I wanted to create a Chrome extension. I've never done it before and didn't know where to start. I asked ChatGPT and it delivered a great interactive tutorial with just the right code to get me started (I had to fix a few bugs that ChatGPT helped debug). Am I an expert in Chrome extensions thanks to it? Hell no! Have I created a working Chrome extension in a very short amount of time? 100% yes!

- ChatGPT for debugging. When I search for an error and get not-so-relevant Google search results, often ChatGPT can suggest rather relevant things to look into given an error message.

Of course, your mileage may vary, but saying AI does not help programmers based on a quick test of it not implementing things perfectly seems a bit surprisingly shortsighted I'd say.
Big if works exactly as shown. But unfortunately if it does work exactly as shown that also means you'll be locked into apple's ecosystem and it will only interoperate with other apple stuff which is only a good thing if you've already bought in.

It's a steep price to pay for 2 hours (at a time, unless you're plugged in) of something you could already do more or less well enough with what you already had.
Show me one assistant who can promise they are right 100% of the time and I will show you one liar.

Copilot & Copilot Chat cut down my coding time on a brand-new ML optimizer that was released in a paper last week from what would have been 20+ hours into a 4-hour session and I got fancy testing code as a free bonus. If I had coded it by myself and taken the full amount of time it would have taken to figure out which parameter was being sent on which layer for which gradient was currently being processed, I wouldn't have had the energy to write any tests.

I don't understand what people's expectations are of AI that they're being disappointed. You figure out the limitations quickly if you use it on a regular basis, and you just adapt those shortcomings into your mental calculus. I still code plenty by myself in a good old vim session because I don't think copilot would actually be very useful in reducing the amount of time it would take me to code something up, but I don't count that as a "failure" of AI, I view it as knowing when to use a tool and when not to.
One use case I'm psyched about for this - shared virtual whiteboarding for remote workers. No traditional apps have been able to reproduce the feeling of being in the room with a small group, collaborating on a shared whiteboard, feels like a huge opportunity!
Yeah that was silly, but aren't all of the new iPhone cameras 3D cameras? People take photos/videos all of the time. Now you can immerse yourself in them. I think it's pretty cool
> Carriers don't really contribute much to the UI or force you to use a particular phone.

Carriers in the USA are whitelisting phones now. They can indeed force you to use one of an approved list.
This seems to be a naive point of view. Google is a giant piece of shit, but to think they are the only piece of shit is a failure of imagination at the highest order.

The billions google controlls don't disappear if google does. Instead every scammer starts looking for new markets to spread spam in. And this is just marketing, we're not even talking about politics and the firehose of falsehood.

The problem may not be solvable which is concerning as we are at risk of drowning in bullshit.
I'm not claiming fraud. But when the way an election is administered is radically different than all prior instances, that leads to seeds of distrust, and I think it is perfectly foreseeable that many people would jump to the conclusion that some fraud is involved. By your own admission, you needed an 8-month long investigation to quell your own concerns.
Perhaps. Our outlook mail failed today. They said its back, but its still kind of flaky.
How about using Qualcomm machines with linux. Microsoft is pushing for WindowsOnArm. Any ideas on how much support there is for linux? considering these chips are similar to the ones that are running Android
The price is set as an anchor for sunk cost fallacy in the chase for adoption
A full stack framework for .NET Blazor – Blazor Spark
Doug McIlroy coined homoiconic as meaning that the programs are stored in the way that the programmer has entered them.

The POSIX shell is homoiconic because after you have defined some functions, you can execute the command "set" (with no arguments) to see the definitions. They are stored in a form that can be copy and pasted into the shell. (There may be reformatting and comments removed).

The homoiconic feature in Lisp (Common Lisp) is the ED function. It will recall the textual definition of a function, allowing it to be edited.

The big idea in Lisp of using a data structure for manipulating code isn't homoiconic; the data structure definitely isn't in the source code format. It's homoiconic to the extent that uncompiled code can be stored as a data structure and converted back to a character-level of representation. (This is possible due to something that Lisp calls print-read consistency, an important concept in Lisp.)

The code-to-code transformations in Lisp do not work by converting code to text and back
again.

We can take advantage of that even if we go through some front-end that provides a surface syntax, like infix.cl, which loses homoiconicity.

So rather that homoiconicity, the two concepts important in Lisp are print-read consistency and code as a data structure.
I had an M1 Mac Mini and honestly it felt slow. It would often hang and the entire interface would become unusable. Pretty disappointed.
How does netflix notice a shared account anyway?

Is it just two devices accessing the same profile?

how does it handle legitimate scenarios like the kid away at college or someone traveling?
What is an example of when conservatives have taken a big stance, or been terrified by Lisp?
It is by no means conspiratorial to suppose that large amounts of power concentrated in few hands tends toward tyranny; it's simply history.
Ugh - so much of what you say resonates with me.

This is certainly the future (VR) but I'm not really interested in it. I'm interested in just being outdoors (not indoors). I want to feel rain, and cold. I want to know I can't just escape.

Others not so much, and all you need is a little bit of money. The brain doesn't know the difference. Doesn't know you're in a dead neighborhood in suburbia in a house that looks like all your neighbors you don't talk to anyways, far from any restaurants or public spaces. We have this now. Food and other items are being delivered to our doors. So on and so forth - I'm not going to belabor my personal view of a future hellscape of rich tech countries.
The Apple faithful are going to wake up tomorrow and realize THIS is what they used to make fun of Google and Microsoft for.

It's a pair of REALLY expensive snow goggles. Worse it's goggles with a tiny battery life, a bizarre generated face, it looks goofy and the first time that cable snags on anything...

Imagine Steve Jobs on stage and he says "One more thing..." and puts that on his face, That would NEVER happen.

This is cool in the same way the Newton was!
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That’s a good point.

Even so I am not sure if we will see electronic prices dropping over time the way they have in the past. Probably the most important scaling in semiconductors was the price coming down from shrink to shrink and that seems to be over. That’s why the 40-series cards from NVIDIA don’t improve on the 30-series for performance per dollar.

Apple leads the world in powerful ARM SoC but they make high end parts that sell at high end prices and compete with Meta who is very concerned about selling price and sometimes willing to subsidize hardware in the hope they make it back on services.
There's a famous macrumors forum post of people raging against the iPod, saying it will be a massive failure. We've seen the same reaction from every Apple hardware announcement since.

The original post in 2001 is still live. Read it for a laugh: https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/apples-new-thing-ipod.5...
> The eye tracking technology involves shining infrared light at your eyes at all times - not an expert but I can't help but wonder if that is going to have long term effects.

For what it's worth, infrared beams and cameras is standard for psychology research using eye-tracking. Psychological studies are only 30-minutes long, but I've never heard anybody mention risks of this, and IRBs do not require mentioning anything like that in consent forms.