skysight-inc/HackerNews huggingface dataset:
Also frustrating is that until this morning Apple would happily charge you full new retail (and margins) on a 2019 CPU.

I love my cheesegrater, and it's great for the workloads. But I can't see any real reason to go to this Mac Pro versus the Studio.
One thing I was surprised to not see any comments from Apple on is whether GPUs will still be supported in the PCIe slots. It'd require work from either AMD or Nvidia to get an ARM64 macOS driver so maybe that's the holdup there. It's hard to compete with max builds which have many GPUs in raw power without the ability to go beyond the built in GPU. That said, 192 GB of 800 GB/s VRAM is pretty crazy at the price point.
I hope we are wrong too.

But I (perhaps naïvely) think this is being approached from the wrong direction.

To me, if Apple had launched a new highly limited device but with the Google Glass form factor - then I could see the path to incrementally improve (keep the form factor, and add features over time as hardware progresses).

It's much harder for me to see the opposite - of starting out with the clunky form factor, even if it is 100x more capable.

EDIT: Or I may be thinking from the wrong direction. I could see this device as overtaking existing VR devices like the Rift by far.

It depends on whether "success" here is defined as surpassing the previous best-selling VR headset (very plausible), or as matching the iPhone (much less plausible).
I don't dismiss it completely - for example, I have many friends who fled countries who would've been happy to be able to leave with something other than the clothes on their back. However, this is (fortunately) a very niche use case.

14 years is a very long time. I've been using Linux on the desktop since 1997. For probably 10 years there people were talking about it being "the year of the Linux desktop". 25 years later the Linux desktop has roughly 3% market share - it was extremely fringe in 1997 but it's still very fringe now.

No reasonable person thinks it will ever materialize (let's call that cracking double digits) at this point. If it weren't for the pumpers, shills, bag holders, etc driven by greed (often desperation) and direct financial incentive the unsuitability of crypto for the general population would be as widely and universally agreed upon by now.

The crypto ecosystem has also had the benefit of equating to "get rich quick" for many people along with investors, ICOs, etc pouring at least tens of billions of dollars into the ecosystem. Yet one look at a block explorer for any chain tells you very quickly that usage is abysmal.

If you look at the resources poured into the space and real on chain transaction data crypto likely has the highest user acquisition cost of all time.

I don't think it will ever die but if anything resembling widespread adoption hasn't happened by now it almost certainly isn't ever going to and this was my point: it's impossible to reach widespread adoption when the fundamental properties go against the most well established truths of humanity, society, and culture.
Oh good so there is material evidence of this occurring. Eagerly awaiting your post with links to said evidence.
Apple needs to do 3 things for the Vision Pro to be successful.

1. Convince enough people to buy one via halo use cases

2. Leverage or buy developer adoption

3. Create a decent enough developer experience to produce high quality apps

On 2 & 3, Apple has a proven track record, or at least amassing enough market share to force developers to ignore deficiencies in 3.

Which means 1 is going to be make-or-break.

The Apple Watch is a great analogy here, because it was evolutionary rather than revolutionary.

It did not let you do anything you couldn't before. It did let you do it better.

Consequently, this won't be (and doesn't need to be) an iPhone level smash success. It just needs to be volume and financially self-sufficient enough to get them to iteration N+X.

Because iteration N+X is "We shrink the iPhone down to a minimally-screened compute/network node, and the Vision SE becomes everyone's must-have companion, and then Apple owns a better-than-iPhone platform."

I think Apple made the right move in trumpeting its non-work use cases, because Apple has let macOS atrophy for enterprise use. And priced-for-work is a trap market they don't need to pursue (see: Microsoft).

But I don't know if most people want a better consumptive device $3500-badly... time, will tell.
You can't really compare visual fidelity between VR headsets and flat panel monitors that way. The resolution is spread across your entire field of view. 4k per eye still good, but no where near what you'd expect from a 4k monitor sitting a few feet away.
With the only justification being "nobody wanted it", a plainly false statement.

WebP isn't good enough. AVIF isn't good enough. JPEG XL is good enough.
Exactly that, I think. My prediction is we'll get a 'Vision Air' which is AR-only, like HoloLens, and priced more competitively. But unlike HoloLens you won't look like a dweeb wearing this at home or around the office. Combined with some sort of killer app for the magic leap style gesture recognition this thing seems to have, and you could have a whole new human-computer interface.

Or maybe it dies an early death, like the Apple Newton. :shrug:
I'm interested to know what sort of resolution you'd get looking at a "screen". You get over 4k per eye, but that means 4k-ish for your field of vision.
I don’t think it would work if it were so unbelievably cheap as this.
> There's nothing that revolutionary here in my opinion. It just looks like a more refined Quest 3

Pretty much the same story as the iphone and apple watch, both of which have been massive hits. If they can actually execute on a standalone headset good enough to replace physical displays without significant compromise, I think people will be lining up to pay $3500 for it. My only reservation would be the lack of a "real" operating system.
I think they will probably offer some kind of developer program? Developers apply for early access to a device.

I wonder if it will also be possible to preview Vision apps on Xcode via the simulator... Very interested to see how much access they give to the hardware and sensors via APIs.
> basically every language discovers the long way that financial math is special and, at great length, eventually adds a decimal type.

And every case it is wrong

Financial math is not hard when you know how

Use integer types not horrific cludges like "decimal"

Just because IBM did it does not make it right. It is wrong
> Then there's the use of child and/or slave labor.

It doesn't make it any better, but let's keep in mind that this is true for ALL current laptop brands unfortunately. They all come from the same factories.

If anything I trust Apple more to audit their supply chain for human rights violations that I would trust eg Dell or Lenovo (and I use those brands exclusively myself).
In what pre-ChatGPT world did "write clearly and provide ample information" include such familiar and long-known tips as:

* Ask the model to adopt a persona

* Use delimiters to clearly indicate distinct parts of the input

* Specify the desired length of the output

> others' poor experience is a result of their more layman writing style.

I guess we'll have to pass the hat around for those wretched souls. In the meantime, someone needs to tell the English teacher that "layman" is not an adjective.

> sentence structure and word flow

In my experience ChatGPT doesn't care about those. It's able to infer through quite a large amount of sloppiness. The much larger gains come from guiding it into a model of the world, as opposed to direct it to respond to lean perspectives like, "What do I eat to be better?"
Why should Apple use existing technology words to describe their new product? They are trying to create a “new” product category and come up with their own vernacular for this segment.

I can just see the patent trolls salivating over this new opportunity. At least now Apple can use each of these lawsuits to promote their product with their own terminology (ads via news articles, Apple Marketing 101).
The best part to me is that this looks like a "platform" that can be updated year over year. They can just keep putting the updated M-whatever chip in it (and hopefully eventually figure out how to quadruple it vs. just having the Ultra). Ideally they can bump it up to PCIe 5 and Thunderbolt 5 "easily" too. In other words, the fact that this is so similar to the Mac Studio means it hopefully won't suffer the same fate as the previous "one-hit wonder" Mac Pros. An M3 (3nm) Mac Pro with PCIe5 and Thunderbolt 5 would be a very good machine I think.
There is no one solution to null. That's the point: "null" is the billion-dollar mistake because it solves so many different problems in exactly the same way.

To fix it, you have to go back and reconsider what it means for your data to lack that value. Is it a different type of thing? Does it mean that the value must exist but isn't known? Does it mean that it's really some default value? Does it mean that there's an error but you're just trying to muddle along? Does it mean you could actually have zero or more of something? Does it mean it's uninitialized?

You might try to solve any of these with a null. That's simple, but it does bad things to your type system. At least using sentinels makes it easier to reason about your type system, but if you're just using it as a "typed null" then you've just hidden the problem further.

I find that the better you design your types to model the real problem domain, the less you need nulls or sentinels or other hacks. It all comes together naturally. Not always, but any time it doesn't, it's a smell.
I find it pretty hilarious that VR started off as a product for gamers, designed by gamers, and funded by gamers. And even before it made it to market, it was bought up by Facebook who said "no no no, forget games, we're going to give you experiences". And it's been a parade of uninteresting, nobody-actually-wanted-this products and ideas ever since.

By far the most compelling things you can do in VR are games. Modded Beat Saber is incredible (and a total pain in the ass now that Facebook bought the game and tries to release a mod-breaking update every few weeks), VR Chat (a moddable, nerd/furry/whatever/anything goes playground), and Half Life: Alyx, a AAA game delivered by a gaming company. EDIT: almost forgot Phasmophobia. Hearing all your friends (and yourself) scream like little girls in unison is a priceless experience.

I think Apple designed an incredible piece of hardware here, and I really would like to put on a headset and have as much virtual desktop space as I want while I'm sitting on a beach. But what I really want are games. That's what everyone has always wanted from this, and yet somehow the whole VR space has been taken over by these lame corporate execs who have never touched a game more serious than Candy Crush in their life, insisting they know better.
I have a 2019 Shield Pro (so 4 years old) and the 2023 AppleTV 4k. I've had issues with both. My AppleTV definitely does not just work. Apps crash all the time and occasionally requires a restart. I have different issues on the Shield which also occasionally requires restart
It really depends on how the fake screens actually look in use. You need a decent multiple of the number of pixels in the screen you want to emulate on your AR glasses to be able to pull it off well and so far we haven't really gotten it. I do not see myself getting these till they're a third or less the price either unless they're issued to me for work for some reason.
Except those people who have "mediocre soundbars" can't afford buying a $3.5K VR headset. And those who have a spare budget of $3.5K to enhance their TV watching experience will invest the money on a better TV and a surround speaker setup.
Holy crap, it'll cost $1750 in Sweden. I remember the days when you could add a zero at the end of the USD proce to get the SEK price.
The same people who pay $5300 for a thin laptop?

Its one of the deadest beaten horses on the internet, but Apple has a way of opening tech buyers' wallets like no one else.

Also there are some legitimate business niches, but I think that market is relatively small.
I was wondering what was dragging HN down :-). That said, if it translates signs in the "real world" on the fly to your native language, that would be win for business users. The "infinite screen/screens" thing has always show promise but has always been hard to execute against. The lack of them pushing any kind of gaming experience[1] was a bit telling for me. I'm guessing they haven't fixed the vomit problem. Still think it would be awkward to be in the same physical space with people who have visors and people who don't.

[1] To be fair I didn't see the keynote, just followed the website sales pitch.
I think the avatar they demoed was somewhat lifelike to put it very generously.
I think more information than this is needed, because exactly how "You can get paid to reply to a text/voice/video message received from your followers" is done means everything. Without knowing that, I don't think you'll get many useful comments or opinions.

I take it that mentoga.com offers online consulting? How is "monetizing your inbox" (a somewhat contentious way of phrasing things) different from "charging a fee for your time?"
> This rule change also came after someone essentially tried to use an IPR to extort VLSI technology and Intel.

the IPR process exists in part to combat patent trolling, which is worse than that, and happens more frequently than that, to greater harm than that -- unfortunately for the victims there, they usually aren't rich, politically-connected companies like Intel

> the new rules only limit IPRs for (a) for-profit companies (b) not currently engaged in litigation on patents that are in litigation (c) where said for-profit company is not in that field. All 3 of those have to be satisfied for your IPR to be tossed under those rules. Since the EFF is a non-profit, they should really have no problem with this.

(1) those limitations sound bad, when I want a for-profit company who is not currently litigating a patent to be able to challenge arbitrary patent trolls' IP via IPR without court costs being a barrier

(2) 'these limitations don't directly affect X, therefore X shouldn't have a problem with it' is only true if X cares about nobody but themselves, which obviously isn't true here, given EFF's track record
Here we have a fundemental problem

It is often NOT the users of the platforms that want censorship, it is users of another platform, targeting something they do not like on the internet, and then going after underlying structures be it ISP's, DDOS services, Domain Registrars, Hosting providers, Credit Card Processors, etc etc etc

We have plenty of examples of this on the internet, where it is not the users of the sites that want something censored, but 3rd party actors using systemic pressure on critical infrastructure to effect the censorship

You have this utopia where someone puts up a gardening forum and the users or even the owner of the forums says "We do not allow talk about Politics here"...

Where in reality someone sets up a political forum, someone posts something, then someone on Twitter, Facebook, Insta, etc gets offended and starts a campaign to have CloudFlare, or AWS ban them.
I mean, I could get it. I've got a Quest and a powerful desktop already though, paying $3,500 for the privilege of upgrading to a wire is a hard sell to me.

I could see some people getting it, though. My cousins are fairly wealthy and love blowing money on rich people paraphernalia (drones, home theater, massage chairs, etc.). I wouldn't be surprised to come over in 2 Christmases and see them playing with one.
4 Million Pixels is so terrible for an AR/VR headset. 23 million pixels will be indistinguishable from reality for all intents and purposes.
Recent phones like the 3GS have a camcorder built in and fit in a pocket.
>Another app that was shown was a Birds Eye view of a basketball game.

That was Disney’s presentation not Apples. Am I the only one who thought that part was Magic Leap level total fantasy BS?
Yup. Apple wanted $3,000 for the Intel cheesegrater to go from 32 to 192GB.
The thing that amazed me the most with the presentation was that they never showed typing on a virtual keyboard. It seems like you need an actual physical keyboard to do any typing.

The keyboard was famously considered a make it or break it feature internally at Apple when developing the original iPhone. It is very telling that they haven’t managed to solve this basic HCI problem for the Vision. Steve Jobs would never have released this. I’m sad to say it, but this is not a “Pro” device. It’s a Prototype device.

Apple Vision Prototype

(And I’m sorry, but the eyes are creepy —- uncanny valley)
I think the major advantage is performance per watt and low heat, rather than raw performance?

Airs don't even need a fan.
Windows has had Remote Desktop for 20 years.
> 1. Given that the vast majority of Covid deaths happened above retirement age, and this was pretty obvious very early on, there's very little weight to this argument.

COVID killed 19k people 30-39 which is 6% excess deaths, killed 46k people 40-49 which is 10% excess deaths and 201k people 50-64 which is 11% excess deaths.

The Vietnam war killed 58,000 Americans.

> 3. So I assume you are mad at all of the upper-class families, especially those in political power who enacted the school closures, who continued to send their kids to private schools throughout the pandemic, thus furthering the spread of Covid?

If they were doing that, yes. (And I can't understand how you'd think this would be some kind of 'gotcha' or that I wouldn't consider that actually worse).
Sealife sanctuaries are causing commercial fish populations to bounce back. We just need rules that are simple enough that animals understand them, and we can fix a whole shitload of problems.
- The Enthusiasts
- The Gamers
- The Professionals
- The Disney Fans
- The Early Adopters
IIRC the deadline is in July, and they have to be DMA compliant for non-EU users' data too
fully agree - I've been mulling this over a lot recently, actually. It seems like the writing is on the wall in a couple ways (recent layoffs being a big one)
that's not true. it can navigate without internet as long as you have downloaded the maps ahead of time. i have definitely used it in a few parks including Death valley NP and it worked fine. maybe your download got corrupted somehow or expired?
> it's not new.

I’m not aware of any remotely comparable product.
> What's different about it compared to Occulus or Samsung Gear or any other existing attempts at this?

It's sexy. Also, it's Apple, which means–given the price tag–it's unlikely to be shit, and if it is, I'll have some semblance of support.
Not if the entire area is within the downloaded map. I've been using google maps this way for a while now since I live in a rural area without solid coverage.
RE: Give time to "think"

"Transformers need tokens to think" - @karpathy on Chain of Thought prompting.
That’s fair, but also very clunky in practice, and essentially should be an implied point by anybody else who “knows C++.” It would be very clunky and annoying to write on a resume “knows C++20 except have limited knowledge of exceptions, template metaprogramming, and default linker/make tools” when you can just caveat out all your blind spots when you actually get to talking about which parts you know (and when your resume is being reviewed first by nontechnical folks who will interpret carves like this negatively due to ignorance).

It’s not wrong or misleading to claim you are eg a cancer researcher or study English literature while not knowing all cancer research topics or all works from all niches of English literature. Because everybody who works in those areas knows that it’s implied you were exposed to only a limited subset. If laypeople assume that “knowing” a broad and complex thing means you have 100% of knowledge across the entire domain, that’s a problem with their interpretation of the claim.
Yes, you can airplay your Mac's display to a virtual display inside the AR experience of the Vision Pro.
I will admit I was curious. I am not an Apple fanboy; quite the opposite. But if it will jailbroken the same way phones were, there is a potential there. Naturally, I would assume developers will be able do whatever they want anyway.

This is the first device from Apple that.. I might consider buying if it looks like something I could use. And that is despite the crazy price.
As an ‘operating system’ OS X includes user space tools like the Finder and Quick Look in particular where vendor support is helpful.
Set top boxes are a dime a dozen. A $50 Roku stick can serve the purposes of a vast majority of TV watchers.
Could you explain how so? JPEG XL seems cool enough but what about e.g. AVIF makes it "just a passive delivery format" instead of a general-purpose image format? It handles color spaces, lossless, lossy, up to 12 bit, up to 4:4:4/RGB, transparency, and animation at a good quality/size ratio so what's so drastically different about JPEG XL to move them to separate categories?
Netflix: We're coming for your shared accounts.

Apple: And here's how you can securely share those passwords.
This seems to require an iPad or iPhone to:

- initiate the call, and

- act as the camera and mic

I've been waiting ages for Apple to announce a FaceTime-on-TV product. I had hoped it would be something similar to the Meta Portal TV:

- initiate/answer calls with a remote

- built in camera, that sits right on top of the TV

I think my parents would be fine initiating a call on an iPad/iPhone, but I don't know how they'd cope with having to put the iPad down in front of the TV, so that it points in the right direction. And so they don't accidentally tap the screen when they're putting it down...
They said that you can pair it with Bluetooth mice, keyboards, and game controllers.
From what I've seen, the 40B model leaves a lot to be desired outside of academic benchmarks - it got almost zero answers correctly in the PyLLMs benchmark.
Can you use Netflix, Hulu, etc with it through Android? Or are you stuck with that wimpy remote that looks like a 1st gen ipod shuffle? If that's true, I'll admit you can use it, but that is a painful, dated experience. "click left, click up, click up, click left"
Yes, even for that family of rich Apple executives, it will get tired by the third time.
It's not the sensors. Meta headsets can do this with much worse sensors by using shared anchors, which as someone else mentioned is already a feature in ARKit. Why they didn't mention this or integrate it into the OS I don't know.
The original Macintosh was a flop in terms of sales, at first.
It may or may not be a dud but I’ve no idea how even a resounding failure could ‘destroy’ a company as profitable and with as successful a product as the iPhone.
Then almost anyone except software developers and riches won't be able to have kids, and 20-30 years later there will be nobody to serve in the army and protect your country. Great plan.
I really hate to see the word "fail" used for something that was so incredibly successful, just because technology advanced enough to provide something better.
Admissible in court, bro:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14WE3A0PwVs
Taylor expansion is usually not so good for this, you'll fare better with either Legendre or Chebyshev polynomials. Robin Green has some excellent material on the subject, which I am linking below.

Faster Math Functions:
https://basesandframes.files.wordpress.com/2016/05/fast-math...
https://basesandframes.files.wordpress.com/2016/05/fast-math...

Even faster math functions GDC 2020:
https://gdcvault.com/play/1026734/Math-in-Game-Development-S...
The Mac 128K was the equivalent of $7,400 in today's dollars when it launched.

A few years later the Mac SE (with 20MB hard drive) was $10,000.
>> this will be as revolutionary as the iPhone, perhaps even more so.

Not even close.

99% of the people I know would never put a computer on their face.