skysight-inc/HackerNews huggingface dataset:
Not a big company, but someone is trying this angle:

https://simulavr.com/
> Do you think people will enjoy living with a headset strapped to their face?

Yes, while they are working on something. I've often wanted to 'take my screen with me' as I moved to a different location.
When were airpods weird? People had already been wearing apple earbuds since the iPod came out and had been wearing headphones since the Sony Walkman
> The message all new hires were told was, very clearly: "Never put anything into writing you wouldn't be happy to be see published on the front page of the Washington Post"

> And this was for an org that was doing nothing sneaky or underhanded in the slightest

I disagree. That culture is one of routinely doing sneaky and underhanded things.

If it wasn’t, the rule would be “don’t do anything you wouldn't be happy to be see published on the front page of the Washington Post.”

(Outside of things that are legally cobfidential, but those are generally protected from FOIA even if in writing.)

If you are actively preventing evidence of your actions from being created, that is itself evidence of consciousness of wrongdoing.
iPhone was an immediate iPod/phone/web browser/email replacement on day one.

It’s day one utility was one of the best ever
You make it sound like this is the new steam engine, but is it really that historical of a product? Nothing here strikes me as an entirely novel idea, in fact it just seems like an iteration on an already pretty well developed concept
Ah! So the solution to that problem is to have a mask strapped to your face with 2 hour battery life. Makes sense. Yeah that sounds better than my iPhone that fits in my pocket and lasts all day. I can deal with the occasional fumble to find the record button.
Two points completely unrelated between them:

1. A large part of the world completely ignored Usenet. ISPs began offering Net connectivity in my country in the late 1990s, but then no one (IIRC) had an Usenet server or archive; and if they had one, it was largely unadvertised. Connecting to a NNTP server not offered by your ISP might be doable, but it could be a paid-for thing, not very easy and not very reliable. So, too many people around the world did not get into their Eternal September.

2. There are good NNTP clients (and free software ones). Claws Mail has good NNTP support and is actively developed, and this is just one example.
Yeah, how exactly are you replacing a laptop with something without a keyboard? A tablet perhaps, but we're miles away from this one still.
It takes optical phased array(we’re not there yet at all)) or light-field display(not there in computational power yet) to do this in software. Some googles has diopter correction/focus adjustment dials, but it’s not common for some reason, which I can only make assumptions, perhaps to do with motion sickness.
TB4 has introduced support for Displayport 1.4, with UHBR, which has finally enough bandwidth to connect two 4k@60 displays per port (i.e. daisy-chain them). If has nothing to do with how many streams are "required support"; it was bandwidth limitation. Again, per port.

Apple devices with base M1/M2 do not support multiple displays even if they were low resolution (thus fitting into the bandwidth requirements), or if you were willing to connect them with separate cables through separate ports. The Displayport encoders are simply not there, and by connecting chiplets into Pro/Max/Ultra, they are.

Is it used for market segmentation? You bet it is. But it is Apple Silicon limitation, not Thunderbolt. As I wrote before, TB3 laptops with Intel GPU had no such limitation, though you had to use multiple cables and ports if you wanted multi 4k@60.
>Hardly any different from Windows then.

How so?
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you're taking your history from a pop-culture movie based on a book, both of which were of dubious historic value and designed to attract eyeballs.
That seems interesting and like a technically correct way to go, but also I can see nobody adopting it on a general purpose operating system and thus rendering it useless. Getting developers to use portals already is hard enough.

Thanks for actually answering the question.
Quest-style controllers are something that Apple would have to faciliate. They are tracked using a combination of motion sensors (high resolution but prone to drift) and detection by the headsets cameras (low resolution but doesn't drift) and the Vision Pros raw camera data is only visible to the operating system.

You can connect a traditional controller of course, they showed it working with a Playstation controller in one of the clips, but that's mainly useful for playing traditional flat-screen games on a virtual big screen and not so much for games which actually explore the possibilities of VR and AR.
Don’t worry, the swipe keyboard on ios is so atrociously bad that you aren’t missing much.
If they can get it into a pair of glasses, it might help a lot. Yes, the screen will be there all the time, but people won't be staring down at their phones all the time either.
If you're reading this, it's working.

A lot of high comment count posts on the front page thanks to the various Apple announcement discussions. If it's sluggish, log out or view it in a different-than-normal browser or privacy mode. You'll get the cached version which will be much faster, fine for reading but obviously you can't post.

This happens whenever there are very active discussions on the front page (look for comment counts over 200, that's when it starts getting sluggish).
maintain.... competition will catch up and/or will do it better for a lower cost. It took years for other companies to get close to iphone performance. But now Apple is entering an established market already where fb is throwing big bucks.
lol, except the Apple TV is awesome...?
Honest question: will this play any subset of existing VR games?
There's a bit of irony there though, in that the most compelling things in VR are from gamers creating awesome things (VR Chat, modding in Beat Saber, etc), and emphatically not from giant companies providing these "experiences" that they're positive everyone will love.

As incredible as Apple's hardware looks, you are absolutely not going to have the kind of freedom you have with a piece of Valve hardware connected to your own PC. We'll be lucky if they even allow VR Chat on the platform.
Amazing tech, can't wait for it to get smaller and cheaper in the next few iterations.
> You're making a bold assumption, that someone wants to wear this headset when relaxing.

Hey - the world's biggest computer company just went up on stage along with the director of the world's biggest entertainment conglomerate and made that 'bold assumption'. They're probably pretty careful about these sorts of things.
My expectations are low too. I haven't had any major negative experiences with iOS autocorrect in years, so it's seems likely that that'll be a downgrade for me.
Unfortunately, I strongly disagree with this comment as well. It is because how portable this device is, you have to think about the... Imagine you have an infinite amount of screen just in your pocket. What you say causes what you do, and that's a huge thing.
To be fair, that is already the case with "I need to grab my phone", which is equally wrong, imho. But a lot of people don’t see it that way.
Apple is probably going to have supply constraints for the first generation product so pricing it high makes sense.
I cant figure out how to paste something in many contexts without a long press, which will select text - so the paste will replace that text. So if i want to insert something, I will write a couple of chars of garbage, long-press-select, then paste-replace.

iOS strangely is full of these little hickups, it sometimes feels like back in Windows. (Also the auto correct is so annoyingly dumb and broken)
I was talking about RAM and the CPU.
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Im extremely skeptical that Apple will let this be used with VRC via PCVR. It would need to be a new build for the device with support for tracking. Plus those body trackers don’t suffer from occlusion.
There's a ton of hidden bias in this assessment. Have you considered that you either live in a wealthy area or are surrounded by people who are more prone to seeing having iDevices as a status symbol? Because

> People said the AirPods Max were overpriced, and I see it all the time in co-work spaces and libraries.

Is absolutely not true in my experience.

> People said the M1 Pros were overpriced; they're literally everywhere, used by almost all of the professionals I know.

And how many of those laptops are corporate assets that were provided by their employer? How many of those professionals actually use Macs anywhere outside of work?
I was a bit surprised to see the "virtual monitor/TV" use case featured so heavily here.

A bigger TV/more monitors is neat, but I doesn't feel particularly revolutionary. Also, if that is what you are after, you don't need a $3,500 device.

I imagine that is just where they are at with the device right now, rather than an indication of where they are going.
No? That would make a very shitty demo since you are looking at it on a 2D screen.
> Like why would I carry a phone…

Because you can glance down at it without strapping it to your face?
I feel like accepting the spam call is far more painful than receiving it. This feels like it'd be an improvement, assuming the volume of spam doesn't increase with it substantially, since it's now much more obvious what's crap and what's not
It's really, really expensive. But after watching that video, I might have to get one.

The appeal of having a portable display of arbitrary size but great resolution anywhere I go... that's pretty worthwhile.
Witness testimony is evidence. You don't have to believe him, but it is specious to reject a witness's testimony primarily on the grounds that it is not evidence.
Yes, it's possible to do a VBA macro or an external program to validate a sheet.

But there is no built-in tool you can use to say to excel "this column must always be a number, don't ever allow it to be autodetected as a date" or "this column must always have a formula, if the formula doesn't exist or is a static number, alert the user".

You can lock cells, but who bothers doing that in the real world.
> This literally amplifies your ass to the couch. I'm shocked. Stunned. And sad.

Were you “shocked/stunned/sad” about Apple TV? A product which physically relies on your ass being sat on the couch?

Think a little bigger here! This goes well beyond entertainment value. Imagine the general business uses in industry, manufacturing, medicine, conferencing, telecommunications, let alone any form of interpersonal interaction over long distances…

These are all things we take for granted with FaceTime, Google, GPT… All these are new but ubiquitous technologies, which allow us to enhance our human abilities and connect with each other in new and novel ways.
I think the house and the yard aren't the nightmare, but the miles of cookie cutter housing developments attached to arterials studded with strip malls are.

And those are the communities which were invented and built by central planning, by people saying: "these businesses all need to meet a large parking minimum, and these areas are _only_ allowed to be single family homes, and this other area can _only_ be commercial, and these arterials will then need to have 45 mph speed limits so drivers can get from their homes to the store in a reasonable period, and since they're going fast the lanes should be wide so I guess we won't have room for a bike lane, and only one side of the street can have a sidewalk, and hey what do you know, that really fits with our intention to not put crosswalks except at those intersections every 1/2 mile ...".

Suburbs don't happen without planning, and don't pretend it's only city-dwellers that have a vision for what society should look like. The design of the suburb _coerces_ people to drive by threatening the lives of cyclists and pedestrians, and invariably having poor or slow public transit.
The high level structure is an advancement that is important for optimization.
> People said the AirPods were overpriced; half my uni has one. People said the AirPods Max were overpriced, and I see it all the time in co-work spaces and libraries. People said the M1 Pros were overpriced; they're literally everywhere, used by almost all of the professionals I know. People said the Pro Display XDR is excessively overpriced; more than a few consumers I know bought it.

The salient difference between those devices and this one is: none of those require software developers to do anything special to support them.

Granted, Apple had some success in the past telling developers considering a Mac port of their software "these are not the droids you are looking for."
I just made an Excel sheet, put in formulas and I could just type over any formula with numbers without any notifications or errors.

How do you manage to require "a handful of clicks" to do it?
Config/pricing pages are open now, and it looks like the Pro does match the higher-end Studio configuration. The upgrade choices and prices match too, so they top out at the same spec. Minus the tiny detail of PCIe expansion of course. Pro has a few more ports (extra HDMI and 10GbE, couple more TB4s) as well.
This is the funniest comment I've ever read on HN. After 3 months I've spent in London a year ago, I can never understand while people online hate England so much.
> What would the actual difference be though? How many more people would choose not to work if they received UBI?

Why does this matter? I suppose people should be free to choose to work without threat of homelessness and starvation. Do you disagree with this notion?

> Which system are you referring to? Physical reality? Resources are finite.

The current system that society uses to organize itself in democratic countries where discussion of UBI is a thing, obviously.

Resources being finite is true, but meaningless to this discussion. Market forces should cause the cost of things and align incentives So that goods and services are still produced, but without forcing people in a system of coercion.

> Ah so personal perspectives are only useful if they reinforce that UBI is a good thing, gotcha

This line clearly shows you are unwilling to argue in good faith. I will reply no further. Feel free to have the last word.
6dof tracked controllers usually need to be tightly integrated with the headset.

Even if they are self tracking (like the Quest Pro controllers and therefore expensive) there's still a bunch of things that need to work smoothly together.

It's not just like making a Bluetooth gamepad.

And one thing we know about expensive, optional peripherals is that lack of developer support is usually it's death knell
AI does not help programmers
First one of these things I’ve wanted. They’re honestly the only company that could pull this off. Meta has been doing some draft devices and Google will follow as hard as they can, but the UX, ecosystem integration and leverage with partners makes this a whole new animal.
But both these and Bugattis are Veblen goods.
Intellectual property demonstrably stifles innovation. It is the ultimate rent-seeking behaviour. It's not limited to software patents either. Hell, it's not even limited to patents.

The Wright brothers had a patent on the flight control mechanism that they used to stifle innovation [1]. This problem was so bad that when the US entered the First World War, they were completely unable to produce any aircraft and had to buy them from the French. This ultimately led to Congress intervening to form a patent pool for aircraft patents, a system that persists til now.

In the early days of the Internet (ie Napster and Limewire era) there was a lot of hand-wringing about "stealing" music and how it hurt artists. Almost no artist makes sufficient income from music royalties. Only the very top do. The rest make a living from perfrmances and music IP doesn't impact that. But it does help record companies to explit artists, which is the main point.

The pharmaceutical industry claims patents are necessary for drugs. Thing is, most drug research is undertaken by government funding and then basically just handed over to Big Pharma, who spend most of their money on marketing not R&D. What R&D they do is largely to game the patent system to extend patents without minor but irrelevant changes.

Copyright law is repeatedly extended (in the US) largely to stop Mickey Mouse entering the public domain. At this point I'd be happier with a carve-out specifically for the stupid mouse and let everything else fall into public domain

We do not need intellectual property. For atistic works, 10 years. Max.

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wright_brothers_patent_war
Former Canadian Minister of Defense made a ton of alien claims while he was alive.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Hellyer#Extraterrestrial_...
well apple could use vr + ar to enhance your experience, provided that your partner agrees to that, and that could potentially be a winner's recipe. But you know what's the limitation? You won't see p*rn on apple store, or vision os whatever it will be called.
is it really low latency considering that it needs 2 cameras and a bunch of leds? Also, saccades are not very precise and are relatively small movement so i m nor
sure how precise and detailed the pointer is in these.
Funny, the moment they showed the vision health feature, I immediately thought they'd come back to that later to tell us that computing using a headset is in fact better for the eyes (because of the lenses that shift the focal distance).
It is a viable first entry as an AR computer. Does it need to be anything more than that?

In 10 years with GenAI video creation and GenAI NPCs it could be bonkers cool.
I don't think Meta is worried with the price tag of Vision Pro. Meta will be happy to be the Android of AR/VR. The Quest 3 will probably out sell this by over 10x.
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I bought the prev generation for that kind of purpose, about 3 months ago. To get 2tb disk/128gb ram cost over $5k. Curious about new prices. The perf seemed good running 65b models but not 16bit. You need the ram and disk space, but the cost was astronomical.
This is the new version of parents holding phones up in front of their faces to record moments.

Now generations of kids will grow up staring at their parents' eyes through a VISION PRO instead of seeing the back of a phone in front of their face. Progress?
The cost is prohibitive, but I can't think of anyone who I trust more to introduce a cutting edge consumer device.

I wont be a user, but I hope they succeed.
I used up all of my interest in VR with the Oculus Quest. It's cool for a month to watch Netflix on your ceiling on a giant screen, until you get tired of the poor quality video. The same goes with having 5 monitors surrounding you. This is stuff we were all doing pre-covid. So the ideas aren't really new.

The real deciding factor is implementation. Oculus / Meta Quest remains on the cusp of "having potential, but not being there yet" for the past X years. What will this actually be like when you try it yourself? That's to be determined.
Maybe AirPods will be supported, they have some spatial audio as well.
2024 release date is disappointing. I wonder if they are waiting for 3nm chips?

They didn’t announce any tech specs so I guess it’s all subject to change.
this thing is so feature complete the only thing left i was kind of hoping to see is innovative use of the apple watch as HID. For example using the taptic engine as feedback provider and the apple watch sensors for improved microgestures similar to what google Project Soli was researching. i am very sure this will come in a future version if this prevails.
The oculus 3 will be most people’s choice for games. This will cover “the rest”? Oof.
> As someone who travels for work, this is well worth 3500. To wear these on flights, in small hotel rooms, etc. is definitely a game changer. I have no use for video games so the Quest stuff with the controllers never made sense.

Eh? Things like watching videos on a flight were tried with Samsung Gear VR or Google Day Dream. It flopped. Want a virtual office on a flight? Well fire up Virtual Desktop on an Occulus today and you've got exactly that - no controller needed.

On a flight something like Occulus' passthrough mode looks perfectly adequate - after all, the whole point in that scenario is to isolate not to socialize. So the plain/train/bus usage seems questionable, and do you really want to travel with something that bulky?
How exactly did someone, anyone, not build or pivot when that much money was involved?

How did someone not ask or say the required sequence of words to capitalize on the investment?
Exactly, it's protocol-backed, and that's the beauty of free, open source software and standards. As long as anyone care to maintain the client and/or servers, or even if very old code still works, you have a viable service. It's not a monolith that's beholden to the whims and fortunes of a single corporation that can just shut it down. Consider the enormous outcry when a single company has to shut down an entire platform, like a popular MMO or something, and then compare that to what happens when an IRC network has a schism, like the Freenode controversy: yep there was drama, but everyone took their toys and migrated to an identical network and now we have two.

I come from MUDding communities myself, and there is no shortage of old and crusty wizards who cling to their MUD servers and have kept them open, going on 30 years now! Clients come and go, Internet standards change, and social network fads happen, and we're still playing a game that doesn't bother supporting TLS, MFA, Unicode, or graphics. MUDs never failed, they simply achieved posterity and faded from sight.
Seriously? You still stuck in the 2d world!
Well for starters, this demo was so insane and full of tech that no one is even talking about the fact we’re all going to have realistic animated avatars that interpret our facial expressions in real time.
Kuo says supply chain issues.
Well, you better start some neck strengthening exercises if you plan on working with a headset 8+ hours a day.
> because it can replace all of your monitors, TV and more

Not without a display input port.
If it can run stable diffusion in real time, and “augment” people walking around you to appear naked, it will be a hit
I don't think the biggest obstacle is the price. I'm assuming the price goes down eventually.

I just don't see the must-have reason why everyone would have to buy one.
> Can I ask for any communications that are related to a decision made or drafting of something that goes into the CFR?

The broader the request, the more expensive it is and the lower the likely signal-to-noise ratio of the response is.

Also, on your specific example, there is a broad exemption to FOIA for internal deliberative process-related opinions, conclusions, and recommendations, etc.