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Loved it. It’s exactly how I imagined it. People didn’t have high expectations because they thought this was going to be a gaming device. I posted quite a few comments in the past months telling people vr glasses like this had so much potential for broader applications. I’m glad Apple is making this a reality. It’s going to be a wild success.
This won’ be successful

No one wants a serious product strapped to their face hours on ends, idc if it’s $1200.

VR is a 1980s pipe dream that will be as “revolutionary” as the wiimote was (which we all thought would be)

Steve Jobs would think this is stupid and you all know it.

Sorry to come off as pessimistic, would rather tell it like it is than pretend this thing taking off.
I agree with all the mentions of dystopia, and have often considered the "Metaverse" to very much embody such. Then I get to thinking and realize the Gen A'ers will soon enough exclaim "Okay, Millennial" when we shout of these things being dystopian.
Chegg Embraced AI. ChatGPT Ate Its Lunch Anyway
macOS 14 will support JPEG XL
The guy on the commercial was using a real keyboard so I imagine this can be used relatively standalone, with the caveat that it uses iPad apps.
It's slightly misleading because the panels are only 1 square inch per eye but will be blown up by the optics to whatever the FOV is for that headset. Since the resolution is 4000 PPI, it's comparable to a 4K monitor filling the width of your FOV.
Sweden does stand out compared to their Nordic neighbors. They had ~1200 more deaths per million than Norway & Finland in the first year of pandemic. We're so inured to COVID death once we hit a million that some multiple of 9/11 doesn't stand out, eh?

https://tinyurl.com/sweden-vs-nordic-covid

https://tinyurl.com/sweden-vs-nordic-cumulative

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7797349/

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41599-022-01097-5
Unironically, the Apple TV is my favorite Apple device. It does exactly what it says it does, is inexpensive, and has a good interface. It just works.
> Usually Apple comes along and builds it so well that people will actually start using it

Agreed, but Apple have put themselves in a weird spot with the $3500 USD price tag.
Analysis on 136 page SEC vs. Binance lawsuit
All day use when plugged in
Replace all that said for…one… person.

It’s cool. I’d rather buy something else.
I think this is more in the "Pro Display XDR" overpriced territory of "it costs more than many can afford to buy on a whim" instead of "it costs more than it should" of things like AirPods. Where the Pro Display XDR gets away with that is, at the end of the day, it's just a display for content the same as any other. Where the Vision Pro will need to do some fighting is traditional content is a much harder sell for a AR/VR device. I think Apple is trying their best to tackle that software problem head on trying to improve integrations and offer day 1 native options, which is what they always aim for, but it's still clearly going to have some penetration difficulty due to price and small target audience at first. Of course, Vision "Pro" suggests maybe they have a non-pro plan for that in the works already, in which case it would help the ecosystem sustain even more.
Apple is taking small but important steps here. Notice how most of the content is 2d rendered onto a plane in 3d space.

Meta and previously Magicleap perhaps bit off more processing than they could chew with 3d models in a 3d world mesh.
For sure, my comment was in the context of single people, for whom the case is the most compelling IMO. I have a family and imagine that I'll get one in the next 24-36 months, my wife will eventually get one, and our kids will beg us to use them. I do think the hedonic treadmill will be real here, and the experience of watching TV will seem lackluster by comparison.

One demographic that will continue to prefer regular TVs is the Netflix-and-chill crowd, which would be concerned about knocking visors when going in for a kiss...
I completely agree.

I'm one of the weird people who tried out the Google Glass. It was finnicky, 0 actual interaction with the modern world, lasted a good 45 minutes, melted your face, and had terrible audio.

But the thing is, if you could peak THROUGH the shortcomings, it was abundantly clear how an eyesight driven, glass form factor is the destination for computing. Smartphones were even less advanced at the time, but even then, we I tried for a few weeks making more extensive use of it, I would catch many glimpses of how "neat" this technology would be... even doing simple things like effortlessly capturing a picture on the spot, or videoconferencing with my gf (now wife!) showing her stuff in the grocery store and asking her what to get.

The AR capabilities, mixed with the essentially VR potential for movies/games, will totally be a thing and it'll totally live on our face as glasses. There can be details as to when exactly, price points ,etc., but the ubiquity of this sort of computing device will eclipse the iPhone when it comes time, and until then, slowly but surely change the nature of "working on a screen."
It is incredible how poor the correction is on a regular basis. What’s most frustrating when you correct the correction and Apple will redo it yet again.
It was all 2.5D apps and watching movies - this is the exact stuff that has already been tried. It's a really polished presentation of it with the shadow casting and stuff, but is that really the missing piece? Seems unlikely.
What are they doing that can't be done with other VR headsets? Virtual desktop has been a thing for years, and VR pass-through and "pointing interfaces" are possible with the Meta Quest. While these features may be better on Apple's headset, they certainly aren't new.
Maybe the patent expired and Apple didn't want to share the number of devices sold?
You are high as a kite. AppleTV is one of the greatest things in my househould. The UI is world's beyond whatever ad-filled garbage "smartOS" my TV uses.
To be fair, it also gives vague hints on resolution with “more pixels than a 4K TV for each eye”, which is simultaneously more verbose and less informative than giving the actual resolution.
It's shipping in 2024, surely they won't release a new model in the same year.
The difference is the AR, which will eventually make it wearable in everyday life. When setting the perimeter, the Oculus already shows the surrounding using it's integrated cameras. This will be the future. I don't think the first version of Apple's AR mask will be a huge success, because it still looks too dorky. But in a few years you will see many people wearing sunglasses that double as phone screens all the time.
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I like having a real package manager, good native containerization and virtualization, being able to develop on the same OS that the deployment target is, and a large handful of things that are simply more pleasant on Linux (like the assumption of a case-sensitive filesystem, better job scheduling and daemon handling, more scriptable system utilities, and simply more transparency and control of my machine front to back). The DE situation is crappy, but I'd expect this place to recognize that there's more to an OS than the DE, and that developers might take a subpar DE for a better development experience as a whole.
Good perf per watt means more than just good battery life. It also means the laptop's fans won't be screaming like the machine is being burned alive when being pushed, that the chassis won't get uncomfortably hot easily, and and performance doesn't fall off of a cliff when you're unplugged.

In short, it's about balance, which I think is just as important as raw performance for most people.
Yeah, the resolution will make it or break it for me. I tried working in a valve index using Simula and couldn't really get into it. Despite technically having much more screen space and screens, it felt like I was much more constrained.
It is interesting that this case has apparently been dubbed according to the arrest date, which should be well-known throughout the Francophone world as the Solemnity of the Immaculate Conception of the Blessed Virgin Mary, especially strongly associated with Bernadette Soubirous of Lourdes. What's that got to do with crypto and cyberterrorism? Left as an exercise for the reader.
> did they talk about using it as a display for a Mac

Yeah, you look at the screen through the headset and then pinch to move it around and grow/shrink it.
If apple really believed this were a revolutionary product they would have done the entire keynote with every presenter wearing and using the device. The fact they didn't is a major tell...

This thing has sunk cost fallacy written all over it and I'll be shocked if it even makes it to a version 2 of the device. They likely had so much time and talent engaged in the creation of it over the last few years that they feared it would be more of a demoralizing and attrition inducing event to kill it before launch vs. quietly abandon it afterwards.

I'm just starring slackjawed at their press photos of people using it and thinking if that's the absolute best they can make this thing look it is completely DOA with normal people. Nevermind all the usability issues that are sure to exist with strapping goggles to your face and head for hours at a time.
There was one moment in the presentation when a guy at the office opened his Macbook Pro and the screen popped up above it much larger.
You're forgetting that any number of people can watch one TV. My coworker can also walk in and look at my monitors. For this to replace either, everyone is going to need one. For a family of 4, that will be $14,000 - far more than almost anyone is spending on displays for their home. For work, the situation gets even worse.
there's no doubt that with is onw appstore and os is more like the iphone and
you will not be able to install anything that Apple has not approved, neither buy anything without Apple taking its cut
Only if it‘s comfortable to wear and not sickening. It must be a huge improvement over current devices like PS VR2, which I can physically not tolerate for long.
I'll be selling the monitor, desk and office chair and replacing them with a nice chair with a footrest, and a keyboard attachment.
> For personal/entertainment use it completely replaces the need for a TV, soundbar, or home cinema.

You're making a bold assumption, that someone wants to wear this headset when relaxing. Also, a TV can be watched by multiple people, and a home cinema will obviously deliver better sound.

> For business use, the days of multiple displays and screen management seem set to be a relic of the past. I look forward to coding in an IDE which isn't constrained to a physical device sat on my desk, or replying to emails "on the beach" versus under fluorescent lighting.

The IDE is an interesting perspective I too as a developer am thinking about. But there's a reason you can be as productive in 2023 as in 1983 using emacs or vim. Because it's insanely hard to replace the simplicity of text buffers and a keyboard.

> In response to the obvious criticisms (high price, battery life, form factor)... this is Gen 1. Look how quickly the iPhone and Apple Watch evolved between generations 1 to 3, and look how the price changed as production capabilities and economies of scale evolved.

Smart watches have been anything but a groundbreaking technological revolution.
"Don't blow the candles yet! I need to grab my VISION PRO"
Interesting, in terms of resolution:

PS VR2: 2000 × 2040, so ~4Mpix per eye

Quest pro: 1800 x 1920 pixels per eye, so ~3.5Mpx per eye

Vision pro: "The custom micro‑OLED display system features 23 million pixels"
So 11.5Mpix per eye, assuming similar aspect ratio (1:1) resolution ~3400x3400

Probably there is more then resolution to this, but still, seems impressive
Vacations in 10+ years... It will be hard for AR to beat an actual beach holiday in Finland to be honest.
Putting things in different namespaces will cause them to be maintained by different teams regardless of how similar they actually are.
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> The US is car dependent specifically because of the choice the government made to move people out of cities.

My grandpa told me about this. Government troops driving him and his family out of their tenement apartment at bayonet point. Marching them, weeping, to a tract home in a suburb with a car in the garage. No one wanted to go, and they all wept for weeks. My grandma was home-bound for years because she refused to step into one of those infernal automobiles, and government forces had bombed all the trolleys. The 1950s was a a very traumatic time for America.
The price is so insane and outrageous that this will be pretty much 101% failure.

It's essentially iOS app browser inside Oculus Quest like glasses + Disney garbage content. Hard to see even value for 1000 USD price tag.
Wont know until we get specs. They at least claimed it could present 4k movies, but, I already have a 4k VR headset and while it is one of the few headsets that can decently display text in the way they're suggesting, it's still not with the clarity of a monitor. Take 4k and stretch it to a much larger (virtual) width and suddenly 4k isnt enough.
The accessibility of this product is going to be transformative in industry. There have been similar AR headsets for woking in some industrial sectors, but this makes it possible for all companies to develop apps specific to their work place. Every factory, every distribution centre, every construction site, every industrial site, every hospital, can have this integrated to guide their workforce in complex tasks.

Imagine this for surgeries, or complex construction tasks, even just finding items in a warehouse.

This is going to be massive in the workspace, thats where I think people probably underestimate it.

We may all end up with one of these - or the none "pro" version - at home, just as we have iPads laying around. But many of us are going to end ups waring these for many hours a day during work.

Taking of a headset when we go home will end up being a joy.
Using a product I already paid for without getting served any ads is pretty revolutionary /s
That’s more like an inherent limitation of autoregressive prediction than that of LLM. Maybe LLMs can be trained or finetuned in other ways that allows it to think before answering.
You might have been called that in major media outlets -- but within the tech community it had been widely acknowledged (since the late 90s or so) that such surveillance was most likely happening.

You realize how easily this point can be applied to UFO discourse, right?
Yeah, they probably won't be cheap. I wonder if swapping the battery would require turning the device off. Maybe they've put in a small internal battery to facilitate a swap.
Neat. I won't buy one any time soon, but it looks cool and knowing Apple, they will iterate like hell on this platform over the years and hopefully the price will eventually come down to a more reasonable point like $2k-2.5k.

In 3-5 years down the line, though, this will really start to take off. The Vision Pro 2 or Vision Pro 3 will be a game changer.

Some of the features are quite useful, though.
Is immersing yourself in your computing environment and applications something people really want to do? I'm already spending most of my workday sitting at a desk in front of my computer. The idea of wearing a headset and further isolating myself from my physical surroundings for any amount of time longer than a few minutes is incredibly unappealing, regardless of how good the hardware is.

I can imagine many use cases where I pop it on for a minute to check something and then take it off again. But none of them are something that would make me spend my own money on this. Someone else's money, maybe.
Coincidentally, Rolling Stone just published a profile on the founder:
Crypto’s Richest Man Is Waiting Out the Chaos
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Theoretical workaround: use autohotkey to input data to the web interface in chunks, then download and parse the .html when it's done for clean output. Possibly against their TOS though. API would be easier.
meta is fine, for now. Apple's $3500 headset isn't something most parents are going to buy their kids, while I know a bunch of people who have bought quest 2s for their kids because they're cheap af.

If apple can lower the price to something reasonable or even twice the quest's price, maybe they can threaten them.

They're not looking at the same customers.
AirPods Max synthetic fabric is not comfortable to touch face. Hope Vision Pro has more comfortable materials. Many big headphones have comfortable velour or leather ear pads. It's also better for the pads to be replaceable.
Does this headset support the OpenXR API?
Apple Introduces 15 inch MacBook Air
If there’s a company that can make the VR/AR headset thingy fly, that is Apple. I’m not sure it will fly (I’m skeptical) but I’m happy that we will finally find out.
If it can make London sunny all year round, I'm in.
I also can't load archive.today. Both sites fail with dns error. I'm on comcast. Someone is blocking them, comcast or their dns providers?
Apple has advanced the user interface again.

Remains to be seen. Even if it is 100% accurate in tracking, the lack of physical feedback on inputs is a big tradeoff.
Will they have a left hand version?
The underlying tech is amazing, as is the design.

Augmented reality is a much harder problem than virtual reality.

Have they defeated cybersickness?

Possibly, in part due to only 12ms latency from outside camera to display. The neurological visual latency is about 100ms, but there are many drivers to cybersickness[1].

fovea-centric resolution: improve not the whole screen, but the area seen by the retina's fovea, which has much higher resolution (and attention). I can see how the R2 processor schedule could prioritize what you're actually looking at relative to the rest of the UI.

Is it weird? The device projects the eyes and face out to others, so they can "interact" with you. It's telling that the ad places the user not in a business context, but making toast for kids, and interacting with a surprise soccer ball.

Notwithstanding the "everyday" appeal of 3D games for play and minority-report displays for work, there are many, many specialty applications where this could be huge and $3,500 would be nothing.

I wonder what their manufacturing runway is. It could take time to start selling millions of these units, but small lots can be really, really hard to justify.

[1] https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/frvir.2020.5822...
> A focus on sexual situations. Does one same sex kiss constitute that? No I wouldn’t say it does on its own but when it is a pattern from these organizations then parents are well within their rights to reject it.

Very curious how you've managed to avoid the pattern of movies that "focus on sexual situations" until recently. One of the most prominent tropes in children's media is a princess who needs to kiss or be kissed by a prince in order to resolve the plot!
I've always thought the killer feature to get people to start using AR/VR wasn't games or social experiences, but just a bigger screen for web browsing, Excel, dashboards and a bunch of other boring software.

Honestly, I'm not sure how Vision Pro product stacks up to what Apple says, but the marketing shows that Apple has clearly figured it out.

> I was initially a skeptic of widespread adoption of VR. I'm not sure that it's going to be the next smartphone. However, if it gets more comfortable and the price point goes down, I could see it being a replacement for traditional desktop monitors. Instead of paying $1k for a 27-inch display you get as many large screens as you want. That seems probable to me.

>

> I know that sounds awfully boring and mundane, but that probably comes way before other applications. After all the original iPhone was just an iPod you could make calls with.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33358495
My experience is very similar, even still (boot from linux into windows, have updates shoved down my throat, some random thing doesn't work because reasons, etc.)

Most of it really feels like unforced errors though. As much as I am not at all excited about a $3500 device that's completely locked into Apple's restricted ecosystem, they are the kind of company to actually pay attention to those things and smooth out all the rough edges.

I'm really just hoping it brings more attention and effort into the wider VR ecosystem and we start getting better products and software support.
I see it more as tackling the core product they're trying to deliver. Meta is trying to deliver "Virtual Reality." Apple is delivering "Augmented Reality." Meta will be able to pivot quite well, but Apple's execution here has disrupted 10 years of vision and development furthered towards creating a virtual reality rather than augmenting it
Apple TV is easily my favourite Apple product. Of all the Apple products it's the one that works flawlessly and gets out of my way. I could give up my Mac and switch to Windows before I would switch to an Apple TV competitor.
On your TV?

Group movie watching on this would be cool with people in different places, but if you're already in the same house that feels too dystopian for me.
I always consider V1 Apple products like kickstarters funded by Apple whales
they counted the ballots of every box separately and used excel to add the numbers together, that's not an excel error (it were about 600 ballots altogether, so pencil and paper would have sufficed)
Regardless of how well this product does, the presentation and vision from Apple was phenomenal. It was like watching a cinematic AAA movie, so exciting and inspiring. There has been no other company that has been able to present AR and VR in such a way that is so exciting.

The augmented reality shifting to virtual with the dial is so genius. I feel like a kid, and that's rare to feel these days. Love it, dream on Apple!
This article is incorrect about WebRTC. I don’t know about other protocols and what they offer.

* Clock Recovery

I have had no problems with measuring NTP drift. As the clocks change I would measure.

* Common Clock for Audio and Video

Sender Reports contain a mapping of Sequence Number to RTP Sequence Numbers. This is respected by every player I have used. My guess is author put their media in different MediaStreams. If you want all your tracks to be synced you need to mark them as one MediaStream.

* Defined latency

WebRTC provides playoutDelay. https://webrtc.googlesource.com/src/+/main/docs/native-code/.... This allows the sender to add delay to give a better experience.

* Legacy transport

You can transport anything you want via RTP or DataChannels. Maybe I am missing something with this one?
You're right, of course, but only the people who really read "Snow Crash" will get it.

“Gargoyles represent the embarrassing side of the Central Intelligence Corporation. Instead of using laptops, they wear their computers on their bodies, broken up into separate modules that hang on the waist, on the back, on the headset. They serve as human surveillance devices, recording everything that happens around them. Nothing looks stupider; these getups are the modern-day equivalent of the slide-rule scabbard or the calculator pouch on the belt, marking the user as belonging to a class that is at once above and far below human society. They are a boon to Hiro because they embody the worst stereotype of the CIC stringer. They draw all the attention. The payoff for this self-imposed ostracism is that you can be in the Metaverse all the time, and gather intelligence all the time.”
Can't wait for the GPT integration with GitHub and start programming like Tony Stark