skysight-inc/HackerNews huggingface dataset:
Ah, the iBorg is finally out. How soon will we see people walking around Silicon Valley wearing this thing? The concept is intended for full time wear, although with a 2-hour battery life and rather bulky headgear, the hardware isn't ready.

The interesting part is the input side. It uses voice, eye tracking, and cameras watching the user's hands rather than a hand controller. Apple has advanced the user interface again.
What an early announcement before actual availability
This is cool and all but the like "Disney+ support will be available from the start and Apple arcade" made me less excited. Like oooo more locked in crap that will only have the same massive companies serving me things. I mean, I don't expect much different from a large company but still this could be such a cool tech but I'm so tired of just seeing the same names everywhere.

It feels similar to ChatGPT plugins. Access to them and developing them was limited except it was released with Expedia and other large companies that just wanted a way to rope you into paying for their services.

Also can't help but gag a little at that price tag. Woo $3500 to watch Disney+ in the woods
I really miss the authenticity of an Elon presentation. Some of the people in the Vision Pro presentation looked 3D rendered with the degree of post processing the video underwent.
I'm thinking this would have been an incredible idea during the pandemic - don't get me wrong, it's still a great idea. I just think the pandemic use case simply made too much sense - they really could have changed remote work and quaranting forever.
MBA is never expected to have many ports though.
It feels like the initial launch of the Apple Watch as a luxury fashion accessory. Good thing they were able to pivot that to a Fitbit competitor. Will they do the same here?
autocorrect and the swipe keyboard on ios has gotten progressively worse with each release, to the degree that i've reverted to typing with my thumbs because it's faster. additional languages seems like a bridge too far right now
I suppose if you think of it as a high-end MacBook Pro + display, it’s an easier pill to swallow.
I guess they had to call it a "spatial computer" in an attempt to overcome the shock that they want $3,500 for a VR headset when the competition is selling their newest generation for $500.
Ask HN: Is it possible to run Linux on an old Virgin Media TiVo?
I changed broadband supplier and Virgin Media (UK) don’t want their TiVo box back. It’s a Samsung SMT-C7100.

I was about to break it open for the HDD, but this seems like a shame, because obviously it’s a whole little computer with Ethernet, HDMI, USB and a 500GB drive.

Is there any chance this is going to run Linux for me?
Does this somehow mean that in 2023 3/4ths of the market is still not securities?
I hope it's waterproof and integrates with actual SCUBA gear so I can do all my work under water and blame nitrogen narcosis for bad commits.
Can't wait for a CEO to announce that their child labor was "Just a prank bro"
Nim is the closest to what I had originally hoped Rust would be. Especially Nim 2 with the new GC is really exciting. I suspect it will outperform all but the best hand tuned allocators.

It's even hard real time capable, which makes it potentially viable in scenarios like games where GC traditionally hasn't been.
Pretty cool to see a major company release an completely new product line; the whole portable/phone market has been pretty slow the last few years. This doesn't really compete with anything that already exist - the closest I think is the Simula One which hasn't shipped yet.

Hopefully, this will spur more AR/VR development and open-source/open-computing options will catch up.
That's why they primed you right before telling you the price by mentioning that you would have to buy a big screen TV, surround sound, powerful computer and cameras and still not have the same experience. :)

It's basically a portable computer, so it's priced like a laptop.
Disappointing to see it won’t ship until 2024. I wonder if they are waiting for a 3nm chip.
But "can be gracefully executed asynchronously" is a property of an action.

Something that pegs the CPU to 100% because it's doing intense processing isn't a good candidate for async. Similarly, some code can cause issues when written in a non-streaming fashion. Take the following example (in python):

x = [x for x in range(1_000_000_000)]
y = (x for x in range(1_000_000_000))

If you spawn a bunch of async workers doing the first one concurrently, you'll OOM your system. If you spawn a bunch of async workers doing the second one concurrently, your system will be fine.

In other words, "async" is a label on a box of donuts that implies (though doesn't ensure, people can of course still do bad things) that the donut won't explode if you look away from it.
There is no hardware tax. And why would you want to hobble your awesome hardware with the shit show that is desktop Linux?
What’s not GDPR compliant about it?
I'm not sure about "obviously necessary", but they are one of the few cases where they may be somewhat justified
Yeah if they get the form factor down over time this will replace a lot of stuff people own. Like why would I carry a phone…
Yes, but we're talking about ownership as a concept, not as a matter of law. I'm not sure how this is getting confused to be honest.
Congrats Microsoft and Meta! Great work on Holo Quest Vision Pro!
I believe your example lacks something important, the isolation will go way deeper than just media, maybe you won't develop the same cultural marks, maybe your humor will be significantly different, maybe you won't get to participate in the 3AM shit talking where the group strengthened bonds, maybe people won't know how to give you directions to places (Because they're reliant in maps to get to a general zone), maybe you won't get to participate in online events like gaming sessions or esports

This might not being the kid that didn't watch popular stuff, this might be making a kid alien to an enviroment they will have to deal with for the rest of their life; They might adapt well, or maybe they'll develop a "mark", an "accent" of sorts, which distinguishes them from the rest of the group

I agree that restriction or adversity might be healthy, but paraphrasing House
"Then why stop there? Poke a stick in her eye, imagine how healthy they'll be then"
Up until to the point they announced the price, apple was doing nice on the street but seems like $3,499 for a brand new platform is a bit too much risk than market was anticipating. Almost 60 billion $s went from the market cap (maybe not much for a giant in Apple's scale but still interesting).
The promo site is here: https://www.apple.com/apple-vision-pro/
Apple really just obsoleted Meta's entire product vision, this is scary good.
Today, I had an interesting encounter after work when I brought my Framework laptop to the store. I had a chance to closely compare it with the current MacBook Pro line and wanted to share some thoughts.

Firstly, I was not particularly impressed with the MacBook Pro cases and haptics. The build quality seems to have deteriorated compared to previous iterations. Granted, this could be a matter of personal preference, but it seems to me that Apple's relentless pursuit of thinness and lightness has come at the expense of the premium, robust feel of their older MacBook models.

As for the haptic feedback, it felt a bit off. Earlier MacBooks had a satisfying clickiness and responsiveness, but that didn't seem to be the case with the current model I tested. I suppose this could be subjective, and perhaps some may prefer the current haptic approach.

On a positive note, the brightness of the screen was impressive - it certainly stood out. Apple has always been at the forefront of display technology and it's evident they are maintaining their standards in that regard.

Comparing with other laptops in the store, I couldn't help but appreciate the Framework's design and user-focused approach even more. Other laptops felt plasticky and cheap in comparison, with subpar build quality and aesthetic.

Despite the MacBook's stellar screen, it's hard to beat the Framework when it comes to customization, repairability, and the ethos of the company. It's a refreshing change in an industry that seems to be moving towards sealed units that discourage user modification and repairs.

The old MacBooks were in a different league altogether, and it's disheartening to see how things have evolved. I would love to see a return to a focus on robust build quality and user experience beyond just raw specifications and form factor.
There were rumors of third display but for peripheral vision.
IANAL, but as I understand it, the difference is because copyright is about the transmission of the work.

If you memorize a work, you have used the work in accordance with copyright law: you were authorized to read the work. If you write out a copy of the work you memorized and give it to someone, you've broken copyright law.

If you store a copy of a work you were authorized to have, you have not broken copyright. However, if you download a book that you have no authorization for, that is a violation of copyright.

In other words, it's not about where the work is "stored" or whether or not humans were involved, it's about the transmission of that work between parties.
remember he said all day use. not sure what it mean.
>But, my point is that AI can be a coach to all.

There is still a social component that has to be overcome. If for example a childs parents embrace ignorance that this child out of the gate as a disability. They will have a more difficult time even presented with all the proper tools over a child whos parents embrace learning new things and intellectual exploration.

I hope these tools can help everyone learn, but I do fear the limits will not be them, but it will be us.
Apple won't have the supply chain to make this a consumer product for years.

So it makes no sense to price it at $399.
~$4000 vs. ~$400

There is space for both, this will actually help Occulus if it strengthens the supply chain and makes better apps available for them.
With profiles and OpticID you probably wouldn’t need one for everyone in the household. Or even more than one. Just the lenses.
The price can always go down, but it is hard to go up. The high price and the next year date means they don't want to sell a whole lot of it. They probably need more time to improve it.

If I had to bet between Meta and Apple getting it right first, I'd probably bet on Meta now, with apple playing catchup as they usually do, and really well. But so far, if Metaverse was a mistake, this is an even larger mistake.
It looks as though it can replace a laptop. Unlike the iPad, assuming the display really delivers on text fidelity, it may be a more comfortable working environment than the old paradigm.

If that’s the case, the effective cost falls considerably because you don’t need the laptop anymore. And get rid of the iPad too.
Theoretically the lenses could make this not a problem. We’ll have to see how it works in practice though.
I’m very surprised there was no Fitness+ app for Apple Vision Pro mentioned at all. The Mindfulness app even got quick reveal but no exercise feature? That’s been the most sticky feature for Quest 2/Pro for me (perhaps because their screens aren’t sharp and clear even for work)
I think more iPad level. A successful product, but not something everyone will have.
> It looks like this account has been suspended, Twitter doing it's job well there getting rid of trolls.

Ah, good on Twitter. Basically it was someone whose every tweet was talking about how great Hitler was.
So where does this leave Meta with the billions poured into the metaverse?
3.5k? Who would reasonably go outside with that thing-- its asking to be robbed off your body.
For reference you can refer to the original airpod's announcement thread to see how Hacker News comments on new products look in hindsight

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12446094
I’m quite excited about the autocorrect improvements. However my expectations remain low.
> I think you're manifesting what I'm talking about. The reason you cannot replace async with threads has nothing to do with the ecosystem, but the simple fact that threading is a model of parallelism and async/await is a model of concurrency.

That is an artificial distinction you made up. I have written many apps and desktop applications, all of which where using 3-10 threads, some of them doing "parallel" work meaning the parallel computation of divide and conquer algorithms, some were doing concurrent work.

I tried async often. I threw it away every single time, because it "infects" the entire codebase. I suspect the only reason async exists is because the Javascript event-loop is single-threaded and there are no blocking primitives in JS. If you don't have access to blocking data-handoff between threads, you can choose between callback hell or async/await.

Please take a look at the video I posted earlier.
The optics will make or break this, but I came in extremely skeptical, but it's clear they've put a lot of thought into the possibilities landscape, the interaction modes, and the human aspects of it. It looks a whole lot more interesting than I was expecting - it's the best shot I've seen at AR so far. It's also clearly the "First" in the line - similar to the first iPhone and iPad, it's expensive and a bit unwieldy, but you can start to see the potential.
Good points

> Anyway, defending a patent requires some deep pockets, and if you don't defend them, they are just cost with no benefit.

unless you just need them for gov't grants that require them - in this case it's an investment into a pre-requisite and if the net capital from the grant is higher than the cost of the patent you got then hypothetically you are ahead; unless there are recurring/other expenses involved in 'maintaining' the patent that I'm not aware of.
isn't this just a video of the video of the keynote?
I genuinely can't tell if you are joking or really dumb.
There's SharePlay for that
I don't think this is a revolution but it might be a good enough improvement over existing/previous XR devices.

It certainly seems better than Microsoft Hololens. Basically the same idea but with higher end hardware and more refined.

This does not look like to be a turning point either way, it is priced out of mass market adoption, but it will be an interesting toy for many.
The commercial they showed at the end showed the person using a regular bluetooth keyboard with the device.
I would be surprised if it's the minority.

Obviously I don't buy every product Apple launches but up to now I could see me using every one of their products, even if I don't think it would make sense buying one because it's too expensive or I don't need it. The Vision Pro however is something I have doubts could be useful even if it works perfectly and despite its price tag.
It's the focusing close that is bad, and with the lenses you are focusing further in the distance
" $249"

That's the point. A battery is way cheaper and so would be the replacement, if not for the glue. If you are fine with it, thats fine for you.

And every solid laptop will need a new battery at some point. That all adds up to Apples revenue.
64 pixels in the size of an iPhone screen pixel is pretty crazy, and feels like they might have made the leap in technology to make the screen "disappear". I have a PSVR2, and the screen is very much not disappearing in my mind on that thing.
Yes, but what they are doing seems to be nothing like the other VR headsets, did you watch or read?
Let's be honest here. If Steve were still alive this thing would never see the light of day in it's current form.
So did Intel with the Pentium Pro and later Pentium 2, didn't they?
If this can replace the four screens attached to my corporate M2 Max by acting as virtual displays for it, then I'm buying one.
I work for a company (Inductive Automation), and we build a platform for industrial automation called Ignition. A few years back we created a special free license tier (and some light weight branding) for personal and educational use. It's called "Maker Edition", and there is a growing group of users using it for home automation. Mostly people already in the operational/industrial automation space, but it seems like it's growing more broadly.

We package Ignition as a docker image, an installer, or just a simple zip archive you can decompress and launch, so it's easy to self-host or deploy to a cheap cloud tier. The biggest downsides are that there will be a bit of a learning curve to using it (as with any new tool), the documentation being focused on commercial use cases, and similarly, we don't offer first party drivers for common home protocols (zigbee, zwave, etc). But we have pretty good docs, a free online learning platform, and pretty active forums. 3rd parties have written various drivers for home use.

I'd love for more in the home automation/maker space to know about and use it. We don't monetize maker edition in any way, and so don't really promote it, but I'd love to see the home userbase grow (and hopefully by extension, the hacker/maker community who might be able to help contribute to drivers and other resources).

It's an open platform built on the JRE, with a public sdk and example modules (plugins) and related tools available on github.com/inductiveautomation. The software is in use to automate virtually every industry, so it's fairly well tested (at least to the extent that a toolkit can be).

Maker Edition info is available at:
https://inductiveautomation.com/ignition/maker-edition

Disclosure : work for inductive automation, but otherwise don't have a financial interest in people using Ignition Maker Edition or anything of that (aside from any side effects that come from broader adoption in general). My selfish interest is in a larger home use community so there are more cool projects to check out, resources to share, open source modules published, etc.

All statements here are my personal views.
Seems like it’s already on its feet.
When is the Cybertruck releasing again?
I suppose that depends on what your skill set is.

At some point the project would greatly benefit from some attention from a UI/UX specialist -- I'm doing my best, but it's not what I'm an expert at. Though right now I'm mostly focused on getting enough stuff to work for it to be of interest, and someone fussing with the UI might just be distracting.

Doing app packaging for Sandstorm might be the most accessible way to help for someone who's not a Go dev -- Tempest will of course benefit from more apps when it's ready to run them, and it'd be a high impact thing for the community right now.
I guess they’re hoping the game port stuff they also introduced today would bring some games over
I'd rather take a vacation for $3500 than buy this.
Vision Pro wearers don't show up in FaceTime as wearing goggles though: they show a simulated face that responds to facial gestures (basically a high-res Memoji)
We're very much looking forward to seeing Falcon-40B support on llama.cpp. For production use cases, this is also highly relevant: https://huggingface.co/blog/sagemaker-huggingface-llm
I think it was Bill Gates who once said that you're not a platform until the things built using your service are worth more than the service.

This feels like it is going to be a platform.

Before the Vision Pro part of the presentation, it already felt like the best WWDC presentation in years!

For those experiencing sticker shock - think of the real estate you can free up in your bedroom-office.
That's not including the price of the custom myopic glasses, don't know about the battery.
They should have called it the Reality Distortion Field.
In classic modern Apple fashion they show no professional use-cases for their "pro" product
The killer app will be how it can blur out things you don't want to see in reality while walking around. Blinkers for humans.
It's the combination of OS and price. When Apple is very often double or more the price for competitive products, charges exorbitant prices for modest upgrades (currently $200 difference between 8 and 16 GB RAM. Over $400 for 1 TB SSD when a good 1TB M.2 goes for about $55), the OS is annoying and restrictive, and my choices for replacement OSes are all very experimental compared to non-Apple hardware, why would I spend significantly more for a significantly worse experience?

And I'm happy to pay for quality tools, but I'm not spending $20 for copy-paste (edit: hyperbole. Every time I find some missing simple functionality that is available for free and easy on Linux, the Apple equivalent is available on the app store for a significant charge. Some games are simply more expensive on iOS than elsewhere because the developers know Apple users will pay more). Apple is still largely in the "luxury designer product with a consumer base of 10% historical savvy users who prefer it and 90% rich kids who like the logo and don't mind flushing money down the drain for a brand".
Apple does not intentionally use child or slave labour.

And of all the OEMs they have always been the most aggressive at auditing their supply chain.
Subsiding parenthood is far worse than subsidizing laziness.

The opposite would be better: give financial support to people only if they agree not to waste that money on kids they can't afford to have.
In the meta store :)

Went there, was the only customer for the hour of demo I had.
Apple has made another revolutionary, "shut up and take my money!" product.

Sure, it'll take some time to get our hands on it and the platform to establish itself, but I'm sure that if anyone can pull it off, then it's Apple. And I'm confident that they can pull it off!

Wonderful WWDC, reminds the older times where surprising announcements blew my socks off (almost) yearly!
The focal distance won't be an inch away of course. Every headset I've seen specs for puts the focal distance at 20ft. For normal human eyes, 20ft is optical infinity, so there's no difference optically between looking into a headset and looking at the horizon.
Mac Pro is honestly underwhelming. It's entirely for those you really need macOS + PCIe combo. Other than that, with no expandable RAM (beyond top 192 GB) and no external GPU support (I assume), there's no reason to pick it over Mac Studio (when choosing between the two).
The guy asking the question is a San Francisco supervisor which is like a city councilman. I am reminded of the following quote by Paul Krugman in 1998, "In 2005 or so, it will become clear that the Internet's impact on the economy has been no greater than the FAX machine's." Pretty certain this tweet will age about as well
Looks incredible. The cinema experience itself feels amazing.

Wonder what the long term effects of using this will be?

Apple does not mention how usage metrics, or testing for harmful effects on vision, etc.
I can’t wait to see the second generation. And with Apple giving some good attention to game developers, the possibilities are incredibly interesting!
AR is the ultimate end game, IMHO. While these intermediate devices are products, they are steps in building competency in solving the challenges of display, power, control, and heat so that a true, glasses-based AR solution can be delivered at some point in the future.

In the past, Facebook demoed wrist-based control that required only 1mm or so of hand/finger movement to control an application. Others that I've heard of have thought about putting batteries on the headset, but externalizing some processing. There's a lot going on in the space, and mixed-reality is just the stepping stone.
Looks amazing and wild full of possibilities but the price tag and perhaps the clunkiness of the device (size and external battery) indicates that the technology is not quite there for mass adoption.
What’s the issue with GDPR? If it is similar to other Apple products where data is collected / processed at the edge, then no more issues than anything else they do.
Correct, almost nobody cares about sideloading.
Kinda blows away whatever it was that Zuck and Meta were doing. This is game-changing and so much more than VR.