skysight-inc/HackerNews huggingface dataset:
As someone who travels for work, this is well worth 3500. To wear these on flights, in small hotel rooms, etc. is definitely a game changer. I have no use for video games so the Quest stuff with the controllers never made sense.

I think people that complain about the price are anchoring on the Quest price, same as people who anchored on MP3 player prices when the iPod came out at 10x the price. Even if the Quest was $100 or $50, I wouldn't buy it because its just not useful.

For sure I am an early adopter on this one, but as others have said, this is Gen 1. It will get cheaper, faster, smaller, better, last longer, have less bugs, etc. This is the way technology works. It makes progress.

So many unfortunate maximalist (bigger than the iPhone moment) or doomer (this is pointless and always will be) takes here. I'm glad companies still take swings in the face of the way people respond here.

EDIT: I don't see these as "metaverse" glasses or VR as much as a $3500 display which framed in that way is completely reasonable, it's $1000 cheaper than this https://www.apple.com/shop/buy-mac/pro-display-xdr
EDIT: Please delete this comment
Your example is wrong:

https://www.thespruce.com/do-pine-needles-acidify-soil-14031...:

> When a myth dies hard, you can bet that it is either because people want to believe it (for example, when it makes their lives easier) or because there is a kernel of truth in it just big enough to make it convincing. The long-lived gardening myth that pine needles lower soil pH falls into the latter category. It is a twofold myth, erroneously claiming that pine needles should be used as a mulch only around acid-loving plants, and that they will acidify compost if added to a compost bin....

> Perhaps lending further credibility to the myth is that gardeners often observe that it is difficult to grow most plants under large pine trees. They attach an assumption to this observation: It must be that the pine needles shed by the tree cause the soil there to become acidic. However, this is a case of drawing an incorrect conclusion from the facts. The reasons most plants perform poorly when grown under large pine trees are that the trees cast too much shade, or the root system of the trees blankets the soil surface, forming a barrier and sucking up most of the available water and nutrients.

A better example would be Black Walnut:

https://extension.illinois.edu/blogs/ilriverhort/2018-08-06-...:

> Black walnuts (Juglans nigra) are one of the best known allelopathic plants. Black walnut trees naturally contain a chemical called juglone which can inhibit the growth of some plants. Walnut buds, nut hulls, and roots contain the largest amount of juglone. However, even walnut leaves and stems contain a small concentration of juglone.
Because of the "Pro" branding, I'm really interested in how soon we can expect a baseline non-pro Apple Vision. Determining what specs/features they're going to cut will be interesting.

Also, with the release of visionOS, Apple is now maintaining a pretty hefty load of systems: macOS, iPadOS, iOS, watchOS, tvOS, and now visionOS. I have no doubt that beneath the UX they share a LOT of common building blocks, however I wonder if Apple will try to consolidate one or more of those platforms. E.g. macOS and iPadOS could be merged into a hybrid, watchOS is basically turning into iOS on a small screen, and visionOS may have some very interesting common ground with macOS -- possibly a continuity-screen style interop in the future.
exactly I don't know how many like 4k monitor is just sat in front of you and that physical device is only I don't know smaller than a 10 inch iPad so that's it's incredible
Foveated rendering + active optics can make the fovea 2x the peripheral.
Low latency Video pass through so that you can actually see the physical surroundings and/or your own hands to grab something that somebody is handing to you without getting motion sickness.
Minority Report (2002)

https://youtu.be/arTIRgdEb1g?t=80
I REALLY don't want a doctor performing surgery on me with this thing on their face.
Not sure how you can say it’s incremental. I’d say it’s quite a jump from the other mixed reality products we’ve seen so far
>This is going to be massive in the workspace, thats where I think people probably underestimate it.

I don't think companies are going to spring this much for a headset and laptop until there's very obvious benefits, but maybe I've just been short-changed with shitty equipment my whole career.

Companies trying to get people to go back to the office, then ordering them VR headsets will be the height of tech irony.
He also says he was invited to the event, so he's likely saying that he had his mind blown by being offered the opportunity beforehand.
> a home cinema will obviously deliver better sound.

Will it, though? Of course you could build a home theater with better sound, but I'd bet that the spatial audio built into AirPods delivers better sound that most peoples' home theater setups (which is generally just a TV with built in sound or a mediocre soundbar).
I’m convinced it’s not possible to build a decent headset without eye tracking. Low latency, high refresh rates, massive resolutions,
in a tiny footprint just isn’t possible with our current generation of chips. Eye tracking lets you put your compute cycles where they’re needed, and not waste time rendering to useless pixels.
> I will happily go on the record as saying that this will be as revolutionary as the iPhone, perhaps even more so.

It seems to have the potential. The UX seems incredible. Little details like using eyes as a pointer make it for a far better experience (no, moving your head to point is not the same). Looking at your Macbook to pull apps from it is the sort of thing that can make it intuitive for the average user. A proper review of what this could do would take an article.

I think the main things we need to know are:

* What sort of apps can we use? Is this IOS-like, or can I run XCode on it? Having to own the headset plus a macbook is not going to make or break it, but it changes the value of the device at its current price point.

* Can we comfortably use it for 8+ hours a day?

* Is text really crisp enough for productivity usage?

I don't think this version is quite there yet, but give it a few iterations and we may be able to ditch physical monitors altogether. I've been waiting for that for a while.

At $3499 it's quite a gamble. At $999 it would have been a no-brainer, as that's the price of a phone. It does have way too much hardware for a lower price point, so it's understandable. But the more devices that exist, the greater the network effects.
Out of curiosity, what is your benchmark here? I have a $2000 RTX card that is great for games, but pretty poor for LLMs. For LLM development, I'd be much happier with a Studio and an M2 Ultra. How much would it cost me to get 192 GB in discreet cards I wonder?
I think if Apple leans in to it, porn might prop it up.
Expert systems used to be considered "AI". Certainly some optimization algorithms like genetic algorithms were "AI". Pretty much any system that makes a decision was considered "AI" at some point.

The problem is the general use of the term changes in a way to often make the meaning unclear to the point of being near useless. Outside of marketing, of course.
Ask HN: What Are You Working On?
So a little background before I get into the main question behind this post.

I'm Neo, currently building a newsletter called Unheard Roots where I share the stories & strategies behind the early days of game changing startups.

If you're building a startup that has found PMF and want to put your story out there, I'd love to do a feature on you.

I've got an audience of 800+ entrepreneurs, startups employees, and VCs / Investors across the board that would be seeing your story.

We would talk about how you got into startups / business, how you decided to build your current venture, and the stories & strategies from the early days (growth, building the product, fundraising, etc).

Just comment under this post and tell me about yourself & your startup.I promise I will reply to each and every serious comment.

(Alternatively you can reach out to me on Twitter at @theneooftech)
Do you really need me to spell it out for you?

* Can't afford it
* Don't like MacOS
* Don't like the hardware
* Want a repairable device
* Want a upgradeable device

Etc, etc. Plenty of reasons.
People are poorer today on an inflation adjusted basis
I used to think Apple TV was unimpressive. I had an Android TV which turned to shit after like 3 years. Apple TV though? Runs like a dream, still gets updates, has nice integrations with my iPhone. It's one of the best "plug and play" Apple devices there is. It "just works".

I went from finding it unimpressive to it being my first recommendation for anyone getting a TV. Screw regular smart TV software, just get the TV with the best panel and use Apple TV. So long as the TV doesn't break, you won't need to upgrade for a long long time.
But you will be able to to have 3+ screens in your field of vision without needing a Mac...
For the people downvoting, his work was literally where logic originates from.
Not only he theorized about it but he also described the exact rules which define logic.

The origin of the very word Logic has its roots in that exact era as phrased at the time, by the very people who came up with its ruleset in the first place.

You may define logic otherwise but in the context of past occurrences they're more or less irrelevant.
Photoshop wasn't the one to solve this, as others have mentioned.

Adobe likely owns the xRes intellectual property, though:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macromedia_xRes
> Another app that was shown was a Birds Eye view of a basketball game

Is there anything specific to the Vision Pro in that feature? Couldn’t they just offer that as something that you could choose to watch on TV?
> I don't know where you work, but I haven't had an office all to myself ever, a desk is pretty much all I have ever been allotted

You don't just need a desk. You need a desk in addition to your share of a series of hallways that go to your desk, an elevator, a staircase, conference rooms, a lunch room etc.

More to the point, even if your desk is small, it's not literally zero, but that's how it's being accounted for.

> and it has usually been an open one at that.

The building's parking lot will generally be sized according to size of the space (i.e. the number of desks), so this also means that you don't have your own parking space.

> ...If I did have a house, my driveway would not be open to others, so either you have an empty plot of driveway, or a car that is not being used in it...both of those things are not productive.

If you did have a house, it would commonly be in an area zoned to require each plot to have an acre of land. An acre is more than 40,000 square feet. Nobody cares about 320 square feet for a parking space when it's sitting next to >35,000 square feet of grass.

> I'm not arguing that everyone ditch their cars and start biking to work, American infrastructure is not there, but the time I have spent in cities that do have this infrastructure have been absolutely wonderful.

The thing preventing this isn't that we have so many parking spaces. You could add a hundred million more parking spaces at strip malls and things and it would use up 0.04% of the land in the continental US and be totally irrelevant.

The thing preventing this is the zoning de facto requiring each house in the suburbs to have 35,000 square feet of grass.
There’s Sightful’s $2000 device you can buy right now https://www.sightful.com/ I’ve used an early demo of this and was very impressed. After the demo I had the strong feeling Apple is going to build something similar and I was right
I'm my opinion good CEOs know when to press that emergency button and to use it sparingly. Some CEOs like Musk manage exclusively by it and I don't know that it's the healthiest of long term strategy. He does get away with it for the most part it seems.
"Apple's relentless pursuit of thinness and lightness"

That ended in the previous generation.

The 12" MacBook and previous-gen (final-gen Intel) MacBook pros were the most beautiful and the most thin/light MacBooks

With the new MB Pros, Apple went with much more compromise towards functionality and quality. I think they are almost flawless – just much more ugly than previous gen!

I am not sure about the Airs – and maybe that's your primary comparison.
But here the question is who is doing the controlling

Usenet is a open protocol, not a forum that someone owns. So if you support moderation on open protocol then you support most likely systemic, or worse government censorship. Not someone controlling their own property

With Usenet there was plenty of tools (just like with email today) to block spam, content, users etc at the client level if an individual did not want to see certain speech.

With time those tools would have improved just like they have with email
Sony's VR headset also has eye tracking.

It is a great input, but more importantly: drastically lowers the required computation with foviated rendering, i.e. rendering hires where you look, not everywhere.
What, no bottle opener ?
I really hope that they have thought about alternative accessible gestures, not all of us have the luxury of functioning fingers
I absolutely agree. My point was more that using Saw Stop as an illustration of the broken system is a poor one. Because I think the patent on physical tech enabled a real disruption to the status-quo. Allowing "the little guy" to establish themself as a real competitor to some huge names.
I've designed power supplies and I can tell you that the "density" of the test doesn't matter so much as the validity of the test.

One way we assess stability is by doing frequency sweeps. What allows us to infer stability from that test is the assumption that the system is linear time invariant (LTI). We assume it's LTI because we tried to design it to mostly act that way, even though it's really not.

For an LTI system, a frequency sweep and a step response are completely equivalent and interchangeable, it doesn't matter which one you use. But what actually happens is the step response test reveals different information. This can only happen if the system is not LTI. Therefore neither test is conclusive about stability, though they're still informative, which is why we do them. 10x density would be no less inclusive.

Another problem is that some stability issues have very low observability. The blip or offset they cause in testing is indistinguishable from normal switching noise and measurement imperfections. They only really reveal themselves when they become a problem in the field. 10x density wouldn't find the issue because it's caused by some other combination.

Explaining and fixing those issues is tough, and anticipating them requires an arsenal of models developed from someone's hard earned experience.

I don't mean to diminish the density issue. That's still a real thing, but it's kind of an orthogonal problem. The formal term is optimal design of experiments, and in simulation we use search methods like Monte Carlo because it's not feasible to enumerate the design space even on a computer, much less in a real test.
True, Bitcoin has been around for about 14 years, but we're only a couple years into the current wave of consumer hardware wallets. And from a smart contract standpoint we're still seeing innovative for different ways to control the flow of assets. I don't think that the future of blockchain transactions necessarily needs to involve consumers interacting with the technology on such a low level. It's seems like there's plenty of room to build abstractions on top of it... which I'm sure the purists wouldn't like. But ultimately, I'd give it a few years to see what happens before writing it off.
Considering an Apple monitor stand is $1000, I would say this is a great price.
Only a couple boards on 4chan update quickly, the vast majority contain threads which stand for months at a time.
By Gen3 in 5 years, people will begin to buy these like iPhones and then multiple people will be able to watch via SharePlay.

3D images are probably coming to iPhone 15 or iPhone 16 so the posts about "who's gonna wear this to take pictures" are already moot.

This is a developer/enthusiast focused niche release providing perfect beta testing grounds while technology will shrink this device to a smaller and more practical form factor.

In 3-4 years, the current Vision Pro will be the standard Apple Vision product with a smaller form factor while a new Pro product will have more advanced features and lose its external battery.

I also think that Apple Vision will be successful but Gen1 is not where its at for the vast majority of users.
> it’s obviously a way to phrase that you’re familiar with it and competent enough with it to be productive based on experience and exposure.

I think the point is that almost nobody can say they "know" C++ in this sense. You have to be more specific -- what parts of C++ do you know well enough to claim competency? It's probably not all of it.
3500? Holly Applemolly. That is expensive as shit considering the VR is not new tech. Ofc, someone is going to smash at me with "well this is Apple ok." Cool story. Looks like a fun little gadget but is way too pricey for the consumer line. Unless ofc, they will have a beat down version without the "pro" features.
Bets please:

Date and city location of the first reported occasion of a person, wearing these outside, who get them stolen off their head.
I haven't had issues sending emails to Gmail from my personal domains... but spamhaus/sorbs blocks Gmail on the inverse because people use it to send so much spam.
Its already pretty close once you look at some of the top posts on there unfortunately.
Yes defaults matter, it doesn't change the fact that protective gear is available, and like seatbelts, helmets and motorrad full body armour, it is up for security conscious people to make do of what is made available to them.

As for your dynamic arguments request, have fun,

https://godbolt.org/z/YYKrnh4Y9
Probably because I've had my house broken into, but I've never had my data stolen off of my phone. Even when I have lost my phone, no one has been able to take anything out.
From what I can gather, that's RSA, PageRank, and the idea of neural networks and how to train them (or some specific subset or advancement of that I think?).

I agree these are novel and not something immediately obvious. I think what's happening (what always happens) is that people overreact and have a hard time finding nuance when they are upset.

Amazon's one-click patent was ridiculous. Is Google's PageRank? Maybe. Is the RSA algorithm or how to train neural networks? I don't know. Encouraging the development of these by granting limited time monopolies on them seems like it would encourage people to develop them, but if there was a different way to reward the inventors I would be interested in the details (i.e. less blanket statements that it would be as good, but reasoned thought at a minimum and data if we are so lucky as to have some).

Sometimes the problem is not the idea but the implementation. Maybe that's the case with some types of patents.
The key question is if this thing will stay cool enough to be comfortable.
> I think this is more in the "Pro Display XDR" overpriced territory

It's the same price as Microsoft's Hololens 2, but the tech looks much more impressive, and Microsoft seems to have laid off most of the Hololens development team.
I'm totally getting a quest for fitness. This thing doesn't look like it is designed for fitness at all, although I might get one in the future if (a) I have disposable income for it and (b) the experiences are compelling? $3500 isn't that much these days (unfortunately).
> it's been argued that without the threat of a radical faction, moderate reformers are completely toothless

Once you're at the table. If you're trying to get people in the room, a radical faction drives them away. In this context, consider how many people didn't bother clicking through to respond to the patent office. And consider how many tuned out the discussion because we've seen it before. That's the power of radical over scoping.
please flag this post. An earlier has 20x more comments: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36201593
wondering how they deal with the issue that the face starts moving before we start making sound. I guess the network latency will help.
What a strange article... The code isn't bloodstained. The author is. In order for the code to be bloodstained it would have to be directly related or connected in some way. It's not. But I clicked anyways, so I guess that's was the point.
>>> I think it's important to realize that search engines both bring websites to people and people to websites.

I don't disagree with this, I was simply pointing out that Google makes no money by sending people to a web site unless the owner of that web site has bought an advertisement and the person involved has clicked on that ad. Organic search, like "good explanation for approximation theory" should have something like this: https://xn--2-umb.com/22/approximation/ as one of its top results but it doesn't even make it to the first page.
This is the same question i'm asking myself too
So true. Been on both sides of this coin. Lawyers, judges, jurors will jump on any language that gives the slightest impression of bad acting.
> - In response to the obvious criticisms (high price, battery life, form factor, weird eyeball thing)... this is Gen 1. Look how quickly the iPhone and Apple Watch evolved between generations 1 to 3, and look how the price changed as production capabilities and economies of scale evolved.

The original iPhone released for $599, which is ~$876 2023 dollars based on CPI. So, while most of your bullet points about iPhone improving is true, the iPhone is the wrong thing to point to for economies of scale making Apple products cheaper over time.
dup of https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36201593 I think
This was my first (and obviously wrong) mental model of how async works.

There are functions, you can call them sync or async if they handle IO or UI or they will get a necessary data later.

I still don't understand why I can't fetch a URL from top level javascript. Also I don't understand why zig async and await passes the control flow that seemingly total arbitrary way. The naive approach (put async calls in a queue, and periodically check if they are completed or can be executed) seems fast, deterministic, and good enough in every way?

Okay, maybe zig needs the speed, and can't just stop the execution of the sync code time to time to do something else, but why javascript? Maybe javascript async is build upon regular promises and regular objects, instead as a proper language element with proper support in the javascript engines? I don't know. Anyway async as is used with colors is totally against the picture that the words "async" and "await" suggest.
From the iOS 17 press release:

> Additionally, increasing the distance the device is viewed from can help children lower their risk of myopia and gives adult users the opportunity to reduce digital eyestrain. Screen Distance in Screen Time uses the TrueDepth camera to encourage users to move their device farther away after holding it closer than 12 inches from their face for an extended period of time.

Link: https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2023/06/ios-17-makes-iphone-m...
we just finished conditioning everyone to cover the bottom half of their face—suggesting now that one keep the top half of their face covered, around the home, around their children, is nothing short of horrifying, both in terms of brazen anti-human dystopia, but more importantly, in terms of childhood development. if this, or something like it, takes off in the "iPhone" way that many here predict, future generations are going to be so completely fucked from the perspective of anything resembling traditional social development—which, of course, the iPhone, by way of the iPad, has already fucked up pretty significantly!