skysight-inc/HackerNews huggingface dataset:
I'm not sure that math is right? If the API access actually costs reddit $20m/year then charging Apollo users $20m/year just offsets those costs. So in the first year they actually lose $10m, and just break even in following years. It only makes sense to buy Apollo if the api costs are low.
> I see zero reason Apollo couldn't switch to a monthly billing model

He probably could, but not in 30 days.

> but somehow forgot to become a real business along the way it seems.

Or chose not to.
> As the name implies, this handbook is narrowly focused on startup incorporation. A lot of people don't know this, but there's a lot more to forming a startup than just incorporation

A product suggestion for you. Something like turbotax for founding a company. Ask a series of relevant questions, then create the formation paperwork, set up the board, issue the stock, automatically sign them up with an insurance partner, payroll partner, etc.

The target audience would be a couple of people who have a really great idea and just want to get down to coding and talking to customers and building, and not dealing with all of the boring muck of legal stuff.

When I was starting companies I really wished there was something like this. Your guides are a good start, but I still have to do a lot of legwork just to get the company going!

And then once you have that, a second product -- the same thing for shutting down.

Shutting down a company is even more difficult than starting one, and there doesn't seem to be a lot of products focusing on that, even though there are almost as many shutdowns as there are startups!

Edit to add: I would gladly pay a few hundred dollars for this service, on top of the normal Clerky fees, as it would save me a ton of time. Also you could probably work out deals with the preferred partners to get some sort of referral fee.

ps. This guide is great, thank you for putting it together!
I've known a couple of people who previously worked at Reddit and I can't imagine they'd quit over something like this. I think most employees don't feel any personal responsibility or sense of control for the situation and are happy to get paid a comfortable salary.
That's nice, but you still only saw a small bit around that particular mountain of of thousands that exist in japan, and you probably weren't exactly alone if there is a bus route from the city to there. It is not what I image when somebody says nature.
The post details how yearly subscriptions is one of the major issues, not monthly ones. There is already an update to monthly prices from 1.99 to 5.99, but the people on the yearly subscription locked in 0.99 or something like that.

The 30 day window was not enough time to rectify that and would cost him 50k in the first month to cover the diff. The author suggested he needed at least 3 months to implement changes and switch at least some portion of yearly subscribers to a higher price.
Hopefully we are not forgetting about Bosch's Retinal Projection which solves many problems with lensing HMD AR. If I was a betting man I would say Bosch came up with this tech almost specifically for Apple to integrate it into interactive glasses.
> there's no good alternative to wheel tires

Steel wheels on steel tracks work pretty well, actually. Admittedly brake dust is still a problem for classic locomotive-pulled trains.
... then require apps to show ads to users that don't pay reddit for ad-free access?
Industrial Disasters Increase Disability and Cancer Rates in Future Generations
> I'd much rather fund a decentralized competitor to Reddit

Right - and in 10 years everyone will still be using Reddit, Apollo will just be a distant memory, and nobody will give any thought to the API pricing model.

Just reality...
Most people outside of academia understand AI to include way more than just ML. People refer to the bots in video games as AI and they are probably a few hundred lines of straightforward code.

I don't think there is anything wrong with using the colloquial definition of the term when communicating with funding agencies/the public.
No, blowing H2S and SO2 into the stratosphere is cheaper.
A. I only drink diet coke. It contains no sugar.

B. I have a genetic disorder. Diet coke contains extracts from the coca plant -- thus the name "Coca Cola" -- minus the hallucinogen cocaine. They have medicinal effects on the gut and lungs, both important systems significantly impacted by my genetic disorder.

C. Before someone else jumps up to tell me I'm evil incarnate, diet coke is the only thing I consume that contains sugar substitutes. I generally avoid them as well. And I drink no other cola drinks. Full stop.

I generally don't discuss this on HN. I don't intend to discuss it further in this thread. Note to self: I thought it was just a few of my relatives who were nutters who believe all sodas are the work of the devil and if you have any health issues and ever drink a single drop of cola, your health problems are entirely your fault for drinking colas. But, no, there are more people out there cast from the same mold.

Edit: comment not 100 percent accurate. I also drink ginger ale. Feeling like you need to defend your personal choices at gun point from judgy random internet strangers is not the best means to engage in meaningful discussion.
Nothing to add, other than that Darby and the team have been wonderful for the past decade or so and I really appreciate them and the product! If you're thinking of incorporating, I haven't had a single issue with Clerky yet. It's incredibly boring, in the best way possible.
> Apollo's founder isn't even trying to sustain his business.

Good call out. It's like the business equivalent of:

You changed the rules of the game because you didn't like how I played. So I'm not even going to bother playing with the new rules. I retire.
I wonder can they tell the difference between tracking params and good old unobtrusive query params?
>I'm sure that a century ago, space was just something we would never reach.

Far from it! From the Earth to the Moon by Jules Verne was written in 1865, and was a reasonable attempt at hard sci-fi. More scientifically, Konstantin Tsiolkovsky published "Exploration of Cosmic Space by Means of Reaction Devices" in 1903, some 6 years after deriving his famous rocket equation; it advanced the basic concept of the space rocket, that we all take for granted today. In 1923, exactly a century ago, Hermann Julius Oberth published his book "The Rocket in Interplanetary Space", a thoroughly practical treatment in which he argues that human-rated rocket-powered space flight was not just theoretically possible but feasible and maybe even profitable.[0]

So century ago, not only was space firmly established as a place we could go, but also enough groundwork had been done that it was known how we would get there.

[0] https://ia800304.us.archive.org/24/items/nasa_techdoc_197200...
I can't believe people are pretending to be outraged about something so boring. Oh no, a forum admin trolled a user in a troll subreddit, qué horror!

The thread he changed the comments in was filled with users literally accusing multiple innocent people of being pedophiles who ate children, but sure, it's a bridge too far to change the user tag of comments literally threatening him rather than e.g. banning everyone who commented there or reporting the threats to the police which would have been well within his rights!
This is why I have always laughed at people suggesting that private enterprise can do things more efficiently than big government. Have you worked for what passes as private enterprise these days? There is zero forcing function in the corporate space anymore. Everything is owned by the same like 100 people, and there is no competition, so even if it worked in theory, it should be clear and obvious it hasn't "worked" in the US for decades.
rif is what i use on mobile. once old.reddit.com goes away then i'll be officially shutdown also. :D
The issue, though, is attestation doesn't really do much for the site either. It's not like the bank wants to enable attestation because it's somehow more secure. It's only useful in cases where a company wants to say "we only want you to use Yubikeys because that's what HR has approved", not so much for sites mandating what their customers should use.

This is a bit like worrying that sites will block 1password and only allow LastPass. Why would they, even if they could?
The amount of Reddit Gold that's thrown around seems to disagree...
I always thought there was something about "I feel lucky" that attracted my attention and now I know what it is: it was the desire to get my answer in a single click, instead of constant searching. That's exactly what's going on now - we're transitioning from searching and researching using Google or Bing, to asking a question and getting an answer.
California DMV conditionally approves Mercedes-Benz's automated driving tech
> You need look into the mirror here.

Ironic given you keep parroting phrases from everyone you reply to with the same tone on your part.

And yes, the real meaning of the word irony.

> At 50% YOY growth, it will catch up to everything else in a handful of years. And this is your source, not mine. You are basically rejecting the conclusion of the source you found.

Nah, you're the origin of the string "50% YOY" as far as I can tell. (Or did you misread the bit where the 240 bn, which is the closest I got, was from a news story that did not correctly quote its own linked source document?)

My link, I just searched it, has this to say about 50%:

> Lithium-focused companies increased their spending by 50% to record highs.

I want hydrogen growth to sustain that rate. I don't see any reason to expect this to be sustained, but I want it to.

> Finally, you’ve picked a source that is fairly conservative on all this. I mean, Japan alone is exceeding that

(1) Over 15 years, (2) reaching 15 million tons per year, which is 1% of their average primary energy usage.

Again, this is like using Cuba as an example of how Communism will take over real soon now: not a good one.
Yes. A revenue-neutral carbon tax (often called "Carbon Fee & Dividend") is a politically feasible, fast, efficient way to reduce carbon emissions.

To drive emissions down to zero, without massive economic disruption, start small and increase the tax gradually every year.

Coupled with a "border adjustment" (a tariff on goods coming from countries to compensate if they have less aggressive climate policies) you can solve the problem of industries being outsourced to countries where GHG pollution is cheaper, and simultaneously put pressure on those countries to implement similar policies.
> with my current usage would cost almost $2 million dollars per month, or over $20 million per year

This isn't the first story like this but the prices that are being calculated are absolutely outrageous.

I have a feeling Redit just figured they have cornered this market already and the AI training that's being done is definitely a good reason to start paying for the API.

But there are ways to offer "genuine enrichment integrations apps" a particular license.

This flat rate is just not tenable for most if not all!
Wow, are you seriously crowing about someone getting fired for not liking a particular company?
Unlikely, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HiQ_Labs_v._LinkedIn
They seem to think the 20 million is payable.

Even if they could only get a quarter of that from users, they'd be rolling in money after a year or two.

> and then 20M/yr

The servers don't cost anywhere near that much to run.
US was part of the 8 nation army that sacked Beijing during the Boxer rebellion.

Quite a bit after the opium wars, but unequal treaties were one of the boxers' primary grievances, so it's in there as a root cause.
Your first mistake was assuming these social media companies aren't run by complete sociopaths.
If you want a website where radical centrisim is the word, check out rdrama.net
>Specifically, the DOCSIS 4.0 specification is designed to enable up to 10 gigabit per second (Gbps) downstream capacity and 6 Gbps upstream capacity.

Will we actually be able to see these speeds over existing copper?
Can AI common sense be faked via brute force?
A very common criticism of current AI is that it lacks common sense. But I see each new incarnation being able to "fake it" ever better. I'm impressed by ChatGPT's ability to reason like a stoned human. Maybe it can get "good enough" common sense without actually having it, simply by digesting and processing enough content: the brute-force strategy. Moore's law and/or AI-dedicated hardware perhaps can take us there. I definitely feel it may soon out-compete newbies and the low rung of human staff (and perhaps someday outdo smarties also).
This is false equivalency. And since then Facebook has deteriorated and its usage has plummeted.
In my experience, most files in userspace are in an archaic binary format. And most hardware talks archaic binary.
Interested to see a drawing of Knight vs Cool S now.
Side question, how did twitter survive through its porn filled timelines and advertisers being ok with it?
One of my favorite anime series! It is one of my top recommendations for newcomers to anime. I'm looking forward to the long-overdue Blu-ray release in North America by Anime Limited.
Amazing application!
As is also the case with Twitter, for example.

Maybe the lesson, here, is that private platforms cannot and should not be seen as the "town square" or a place for "community", and that if you make that choice, you need to be ready to move if the platform turns in an unfavourable direction.

Of course, what we're seeing with things like Bluesky is that, unfortunately, for many, that lesson continues to remain unlearned.
Maybe so. But this situation has been blown up so much that now more than 5% of Reddit's traffic probably has a sour taste in their mouth about how Reddit treats people. This is something that's going to affect a lot more than 5% of their traffic as mod tools, bots, and more go down.
Oh wow, "pull to refresh" was invented by one of these indie clients? Do you remember which one?
Wall Street plays golf with everyone else, and the purpose of liberalism's economic policy is to delay and water down. The major newspapers that could stop both-sidesing everything are predominantly on the East Coast and policy decision-making is centralized around Washington, DC. Voting is also nearly useless and performative.
This forces Reddit to say out loud that the reason they want to introduce payments is to make third party apps stop.

Reddit has to say that the pricing it has is reasonable which means that they have to say Apollo can earn (at least!) USD 20M a year.
If Apollo can earn USD 20M a year, buying it for USD 10M is indeed a steal.
Normally, if you think a company makes 20M a year, you have to pay at least x 5, so USD 100M to buy this money printing machine.
Agreed. All those 3rd party apps were blocking ads and trackers.

Hell you can't even browse Reddit without an account anymore!
I mean that was really stupid of him, but it seems like the kind of thing someone would do impulsively one time and then never again after getting reprimanded. Meanwhile, this API debacle has made me lose all respect for Reddit and its leadership — if everything the Apollo dev is saying is true, this is completely inexcusable. Reddit lied to the faces of the developers who trusted them and depended on them for their livelihood. I think the API thing is dramatically worse, and it isn’t close.
Easier to blame the 1% for 99% of the problems.
No, but power users are disproportionately to be invested enough to use third-party clients. Further, many power users play key roles as moderators. Community moderators on Reddit rely extensively on API access to enable the moderation tools that Reddit never really built.
> Is spez (Steve Huffman, CEO and cofounder) going to lose his job over this?

Oh please. Let's be honest, this is not financially going to hurt the company.
> If the API access actually costs reddit $20m/year

Do you think anyone believes that to be true?
there's some guerilla marketing going on with Framework, I see posts on Framework on front page of HN every few days and I think everyone's tolerating it because we all support Framework's goal. But this is effectively advertisements at this point
It's only relevant when a dictator says it's relevant. To the west, it is irrelevant.
Also the opportunity cost of optics… why is the overall user experience so much better with these apps?
You're assuming it's not going to be a 'They Live' sort of situation though.
why can't reddit just give a 1yr grace period so 3p apps can update their pricing model to account for the new API prices? i know this is what I would do to avoid pissing off a massive use base if i were a decision maker at reddit.
The difference is that name/value pairs have a dedicated syntax in JSON and Nix, in Scheme everything is (), doesn't matter if it's a function call, list, assignment, macro or whatever. Makes it very hard to understand what is going on at first glance. Worse yet, the normal Scheme syntax is so ugly that people constantly write macros to hide it. Take this package definition in Guix:

(package
...
(build-system gnu-build-system)
(arguments '(#:configure-flags '("--enable-silent-rules")))
(inputs (list gawk))

Looks like a list with name/value pairs, but it's not, that's just the (package)-macro making that thing behave that way. And it's all quite arbitrary, '#:configure-flags' there is a name/value list too, but constructed completely differently. And the next line with (inputs) constructs a list with (list) instead of with a ' quote, as otherwise the list would contain the symbol 'gawk' instead of the value.

Scheme is basically: "Here is the a bunch of Lego, go build yourself a programming language". Other language have syntax that forces at least a minimum of consistency.
Thanks so much for the kind words Greg!
In this examples, it likely took that those companies are often praised about their marketing in the same sentence marketing is mentioned.

LLMs don't repeat text its seen before, it links words/tokens/phrases that are related. Its prediction, but the prediction isnt just copypasting a previous webpage.

Have you use chatgpt yet? I wouldn't delay. Heck you are here on HN, you basically have a responsibility to test it.
> there shouldn't be any master in the team who holds the keys to the knowledge kingdom

that's exactly what i'm disagreeing with. It sounds like a good feature on paper. In reality, it seldom is. Most east coast companies of significant size, if they do anything sufficiently complex, will have 1, sometimes 2-3 guys, who hold the keys to the kingdom & know everything. The kind of domain knowledge that cannot be transferred in kt sessions. In all the IBs I've worked at, there was always the point person who knows everything about one thing, & if he got hit by a bus, man you were in serious shit. Its just the cost of doing business in that domain, can't really derisk it by writing everything down.
otoh most Valley firms do very generic shit, with young troops recruited every so often, who stay just long enough to make the jump to the next faang. Even in the Valley, you have L8,L9s whose disappearance can cause significant damage. Its simply not possible to transfer all knowledge to rank and file. some things are just very hard. Code has a way of getting very convoluted very fast. End of the day, SWeng is a very young field. There are no rules like multiple people must know your codebase. There are actual prop funds in chicago running out of 1 big R file written by the cofounder. Whole fund runs out of a single R program! No joke. Big world out there.
I'm going out on a limb, but I can't see a downside to making an "ADA for the web". Any for-profit company of a certain size or revenue has to have their content available in plaintext, including audio and videos being transcribed. Content should also be available without artificial restriction (like DRM), so you can use whatever software you like to process the text.

If everything is going digital, this will be necessary for visually impaired people to access critical information.
> Please note that I recorded all my calls with Reddit, so my statements are not based on memory, but the recorded statements by Reddit over the course of the year. One-party consent recording is legal in my country of Canada. Also I won't be naming names, that's not important and I don't want to doxx people.

IMO this should be much more common practice, where it's legal. It would be cool to one day have built-in functions in our smartphones that automatically enable it when the detected location allows for it.
Broken record: Atmospheric carbon dioxide levels jump again
> What is Reddit buying for $10m? The answer that "Christian will shut down the app and go quietly" is the only answer that makes sense in context.

They're buying Apollo. Then they can shut it down and make the app stop making API requests.
We already have the technology.
My impression is that finishes free of petroleum products have become somewhat of a niche cottage industry these days.

So I wouldn't assume anything acquired finished by someone else is free of such things, regardless of whatever once-precise names they used to describe the finish.

Even when you try DIY-finish something with an eye towards food-safety it's rather challenging. E.g. the "Boiled Linseed Oil" you find on store shelves isn't actually boiled linseed oil, it's usually been adulterated with petroleum distillates and sometimes toxic "dryers" (cobalt comes to mind) to achieve the results boiling used to serve.

Here in CA the once common Turpentine which is literally distilled pine trees can't even be sold to the public due to VOCs. The stocked replacements are mostly petroleum distillates, labeled as known to cause cancer in the state.

The oil industry has infected everything
Regardless of how simple the business case for this change is or is not, Steve's choice to egregiously lie about his conversation with Christian is a completely unnecessary and frankly daft risk to take. It's bullying, and he was almost immediately caught out as a liar.

I cannot understand how anyone in his team with a sturdy ethical compass could look him in the eye after seeing that post, especially if they were party to the original conversation. I can't remember the last time I saw a corporate leader get caught in such a high profile absolute falsehood, especially directed at a single individual.

If this reflects the company's culture I have no idea how it can succeed as a public firm. How will Steve deal with criticism from public investors? What is he not willing to lie about?
Why fuck around with 20x pricing then? If the ARPU is on the order of $0.12 a month, why attempt to charge $2.50 a month?
I deleted my reddit account, a 10 yr old account - saw a bunch of others doing the same. Hopefully they get the message - better yet, hope they RECEIVE the message in the form of karma.
Attention Means Attention
No need to wonder or guess, according to The Horse's Mouth[0], the expansion bays in the 16 will have a PCIe x8 interface. (Not to be confused with the expansion cards from the Framework 13.)

[0]: https://frame.work/blog/introducing-the-framework-laptop-16
17 Studies Plus Advertising Data Map Out Twitter's Decline
The Man Who Turned the World on to the Genius of Fungi
I'm moving to Lemmy thanks to all this.
Again, Figure 1 claims levels would remain at current levels, due to the reduction in coal use. We'd have the same ozone layer we have today.
>#1 Reddit Android app "Reddit is Fun"

Guess no more bathroom reddit for me. 4chan still works.
As someone who spends way too much time on reddit and would be their prime target audience: i have no idea why I'd sign up for reddit premium. Not a single feature i care about.
I think that while the trolling wasn't egregious, the issue was that words were being put in their mouths, which undermines trust. It's a whole other level of manipulation compared to even just impersonating someone.