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I agree that it isn't in the "everyone and their grandmother will have it" pricing territory. It will definitely sell well at least within a niche but won't have the deep penetration other products have.

If you recall, for many years, an iPhone was a luxury status symbol; the equivalent of a mid-range hand bag or a low-end luxury automobile. Expensive, but still within the reach of the an average person with at least some disposable income. It's why everyone seems to have an iPhone and EarPods.

The pro display, like many VR headsets before it, is really a niche product that will be limited to a standard deviation of what I would call "enthusiasts" or "power users".

(1). Even pre-iPhone, having an iPod, especially a premium one, was a status symbol.
(2). Non-iPhone devices are generally scoffed at in many circles, green text message bubbles being associated with budget Android devices and not the expensive Android flagships.
> as a replacement monitor for my Mac

Have you every worn literally anything for 2+ hours on your head. Even glasses get uncomfortable after a day
it's pretty clear that almost every cryptocurrency/coin classifies as a security

anyone arguing otherwise almost certainly has a dog in the hunt
Or it could be the public really isn't interested in VR/AR.

I get we're no longer allowed to be critical of the tech now that Apple has directly entered the market, but some tech never takes off despite repeated attempts and I'm convinced this is one such situation.
But it was studied many times across large populations. USSR, Cambodia, North Korea, Venezuela, Hungary, Somalia, etc, etc... They didn't use the same euphemism, but they did take it seriously and to its logical conclusion.
For me, the big difference is apps. I have a Quest and there's not much usable stuff for it. I can see a lot of those ipad/iphone/mac apps as useful on an AR device.

Quality also matters. I don't really like looking through the Quest for very long. Fresnel lenses and meh screen combined with a terrible processor means the visual experience isn't very good. I'd bet a lot that their custom lenses and screens combined with a decent SoC offer a HUGE jump in visual fidelity.
Looks Rad yo.
Give it a decade, and the demand for immersive escapism will be greater than ever, if anyone can afford it, as western civilization continues its decline/collapse.
The original point of this thread is that they'd like to be able to get an M2 PC like that. So that's the problem.
>> Can we comfortably use it for 8+ hours a day?

With 2 hours of battery life this is not a problem.
This is competing with servers though, and Epyc 9004 series has 460 GB/sec (and up to 6TB of ram per socket). Apple still gives you faster connection, but I feel like servers below 256GB ram are pretty rare these days.
I feel this is the point where they have to heavily rely on the developers and possibly give out devices to developers to experiment like they did with the Apple TV.
It’s a huge risk for an indie dev to buy and bet on, it will be really interesting to see how they approach this.
I worked on some memory stuff for Figma, a similar app, though it's surely changed since I did.

One interesting thing about Photoshop's perspective is that it's fundamentally about "files", which is like a single bytestream that contains all the picture and which must be transferred to the browser to work on. A Figma document also can refer to images, but in a different way. The sum of the document data (like layout) and the image pixels can be extremely large, like gigabytes, but you can transfer those two things separately from server to client.
And most importantly, they're not selling you with tracking or ads. You bought a thing, you get a thing. No BS. besides that, the apps all work and have fewer bugs, unlike everything else I've used like it.
So many technologies Apple has launched in the past 5 years seemed nifty & weird but were all being built to lead up to this:

- Spatial Audio - Is any one a huge fan of this? It doesn't matter a ton outside of AR but matters greatly within it

- Side Car - mirroring to a local apple device. It's useful as a second monitor but... mirroring your iPad or MacBook into VR and typing on it. Super useful.

- FaceID - is it really better than using your finger to unlock? I think it is now but it wasn't initially... This face scanning tech is an entry point into the whole "face as an avatar" integration into their ecosystem. Also keeping a secure local image of your face on device.

- Separating a subject from scene used live in iPhone "portrait" view and in photos to clip out w/ neural engine - sure that's fun, but in AR this is a lot more useful for presenter view they showed.

That's off the top of my head. This totally could fail but piece by piece Apple has been building and trying out the tech for this in their ecosystem. If it fails, it won't be because of a buggy ecosystem.

Actually, I still find side car buggy so it definitely could/will be buggy, but, it is a broad integration and feature set they've been working towards for a while.
Passthrough has the benefit of enabling processing the input in ways to make surroundings more compelling and to blend in with the virtual content.

Also small FOV is a critical issue for transparent screen AR. No one has managed to improve this significantly after hololens v1.
What if Apple offers an AR service that sends you a call girl and you can replace her face with whomever you want?
Too expensive. It's giant and obtrusive. This will be a niche product for the Apple die hards. It will not reach mainstream acceptance.
Yes, even HN have some issue
I'm not putting into question the fact that having a radar is significantly superior to vision only, that's obvious.

I'm saying that, as we see, HW4 and radar are two distinct hardware configurations: saying that there will be a large sore spot because HW4 cars have radar is objectively false as not all of them do.
Totally reasonable question.

The second edition was published in 2021. It's a book for beginners, so I think it's fine as far as relevance goes. It doesn't cover the attention mechanism, which is a weakness, but ultimately it seems to me like you're gunnuh have to hit the papers at some point to learn deep learning. For me this book spanned the gap until I could follow the papers (at least, the basic ones, I'm still pretty early in my learning). Having enough Keras to be able to try stuff and try different techniques on the same dataset has also been tremendously helpful. (You might also say that one should learn PyTorch instead, and that's fair.)

Luckily many papers start with a verbose preamble explaining the history and motivation for their approach, which is annoying when you're experienced, but helpful for a beginner.
There’s a lot of impressive technology in the device but I’m not convinced that it’s going to be as popular as the iPhone. Even the Watch has a smaller market than the iPhone—I think this one is even smaller than the Watch.

Perhaps if they made a lighter version that people could take outdoors and quickly take photos/videos with for sharing in social media (i.e. something to compete with Snap’s Spectacles), then it’d be easier to see more popular adoption. They wouldn’t really be innovating, though, and I’m not even excited by the idea of being surrounded by people who wear such glasses whenever I am outdoors.
Huh, I have the opposite. There is a huge hole in the ecosystem between Fly.io/Heroku and managed Kubernetes.

If you want to deploy a handful of services, databases, caches, queues, inside of a single private network, with load balancing, security, deployments, per-environment (versioned) config, rollbacks, blue/green deploys, etc... it is not trivial. It's easy for me because I have been building this stuff for the last 15 years, but I also get sick and tired of reinventing the wheel all the time.

My team and I built an internal PaaS on Kube to power Farmlogs back in 2016. This experience had a tough initial learning curve, but ultimately paid off bigtime and gave me the assurance that yes kubernetes can absolutely work in production at scale reliably. But it's tough to grok and use correctly. So I've been wanting to solve the aforementioned problem for a while now.

This product honestly looks like the perfect answer. My only hesitation would be longevity ie what happens if this company fails. Ultimately I want them to manage the thing, but I also want a reproducible artifact of my entire system so that if they get hit by a bus my business isn't fucked.

It checks all the boxes for me: heroku-style ui to enable devs from different levels of experience to contribute and have visibility into the system but I bring my own AWS account and therefore ultimately have sudo access to my network and how this env might interact with other envs.
It does not. You can navigate perfectly fine fully offline. In your case either the maps weren't downloaded correctly, or the phone was reporting that it had internet connectivity so the app was trying to use it over the offline cache. Putting it in airplane mode may have fixed it.
Yes, mostly. But sometimes not. Sometimes I wish I could have those 32 inches on the vesa while still sitting on the sofa.
They mentioned the magic trackpad, so I can't imagine a mouse wouldn't also work.
Interesting, only single CPU. I was thinking, that for Mac Pro they will go somehow with multiple processors and some magic with shared memory access solved in OS.
Interesting though, how the external GPU support will look like if you have PCI and if it will be expanded to the TB4 as well.
I will quite happily exchange more money for higher quality and higher privacy. Meta have crossed so many ethical boundaries and caused so many societal problems why anyone still wants to give them both their data and their money is beyond me. Do you really want that company to be able to track your eye movements? Any time you browse any product website that information is going to be logged, they're going to know exactly what you want and you're going to be bombarded with adverts wherever they possibly can.

You get what you pay for. If you pay less than what it costs to develop the technology then YOU ARE THE PRODUCT.
I can’t see them ever announcing that in a keynote. I don’t think it’s a feature that most users are asking for or would make them want to switch to the platform.

I’m not denying it’s good for users, just that I don’t think it would be good for what is (highly) a marketing presentation for them at this point.

I would expect that to be talked about in the developer state of the union this afternoon, or perhaps not even at all at this point.
Now if only Figma could catch up to Adobe...
This could be the new Nexus Q.
The weird thing to me is that people forget every failed Apple product and live in a bubble in which every new Apple toy is a hit.

They had as many fails as success, we just forgot about them entierly
So it's a big screen?

The tech looks impressive, and I'm sure many people will buy it. I'm guessing they'll also shortly after find it as exciting as their phones...
The dual-touchpad style VR keyboard like the original Vive has is probably the only usable virtual keyboard. Everything else is one by one, find and peck typing.

If you want to experience it, get a steam controller or a steam deck and use the trackpads on that keyboard. You get used to it very fast and you can get really usable typing speed.

It won't work for programming though because anything that needs more niche than basic punctuation would require chording or multiple inputs, which sucks.
I don’t care about games at all. Have never put on a VR headset. But I will likely pre-order Vision for a better productivity workflow. Apple will get the OS right, whereas Meta never had a chance.
I agree. By that metric, some other notable failures from history include:

- Steam locomotives

- Gutenberg's printing press

- The IBM PC

- The original iPhone

- The Ford Model T

- The telegraph, and landline telephones

- The cotton gin

- Black powder, cannons, etc

- Wind-powered boats
> the core of the UK government runs on WhatsApp

Wow, I'm surprised a government IT would allow this. Any corp I've worked for strictly prohibited use of messaging tech that's not self-hosted.

That makes me wonder, what _do_ governments around the world use for p2p communication?
Well, we have seen something like this failing about six years ago.
Let's see whether
- there is a new killer-use-case or
- technology has advanced enough to make it less cumbersome or
- Apple can generate enough hype around it to make it work on its own.
I'm not sure I'm in a startup the way people think of it. A buddy from the army and I that did a tour in cyber really worked well together, so we're writing an app for the education space. I've started, owned, sold, managed, and left several businesses in the past, but really none of them are your classic tech startup.

We're "self-funding" to the extent we need funding at this stage.

Without giving away the plot, we're working on replacements for certain apps teachers use the are installed on desktops both so their IT departments don't have to manage installs and so we can hopefully learn something useful from the data on the back end.

One huge challenge in assessment is getting questions that are properly normed. In AP tests for example, they throw in one "junk" question to see if it's good enough. We think we might be able to do make that something individual teachers can do and take advantage of for formative assessments, but with unlimited questions. No cheating unless you literally get the other kid to do your unique problems.

It's not going to change the world and it's not going to be a giant enterprise, but we think we can contribute something and bring more and more and more open source into the education space to lower the bill on our school districts. They can pay for actual hard costs like support, data storage, and actual human time instead of just for licenses. This has already started in curriculum but we want to bring it to assessment and do it right.

Both of us are veterans of our own enterprises. (I started my first "tech company" installing Novell Netware networks in the early 90s and my partner developed and ran a website and related services for a major entertainment industry media outlet.) We wanted to find something that would be as easy as taking advantage of all our relevant skills and experiences.
I perceive the lateral market for 50 year-old non-partners to be robust and I believe the market for first year lawyers is vastly more challenging. I myself would vastly prefer age and experience in a lawyer to the billable hour vigor of youth.

Do you participate in either or both of those markets? Let’s put it this way: I intentionally left the old tech guy market and I can tell you the old law guy market had no problem supporting me. I am not a partner and (if you believe my boss) I’m not very skilled.
Ok.. please you probably can "build such a system yourself quite trivially by getting an FTP account, mounting it locally with curlftpfs, and then using SVN or CVS on the mounted filesystem. From Windows or Mac, this FTP account could be accessed through built-in software."
Do you want reasons? Here are a couple from someone that has learned ML with Caml Light, and most of the latter ML variants.

VS Tooling lacking versus C#/VB, no support for code generators, no support for Roslyn, no support for GUI frameworks, no support for EF tooling, many .NET vendors don't support projects if using F#, community likes to create their own wrappers instead of embracing standard .NET projects, ....
With my cheesegrater Mac, Apple wanted $3,000 for 160GB of memory (to go from 32 to 192). OWC sells the same memory (same spec, same manufacturer) now for $620, though I believe I paid about $1,000.

They also wanted another $3,000 for an 8TB SSD. Similarly, I was able to buy a 4xM.2 PCI card, and populate it with 4 x 2TB SSDs for under $1,500. Furthermore my PCI setup is faster than the Apple system drive (7GBps versus 5.5).
Macs are PCs.

And looking at the Framework laptop shop right now, I see a 16GB DDR4 DIMM for $60, and you can throw in a standard M.2 storage module. Maybe Framework is just singularly better, but that's still a reason to not buy Apple for me.
Lots of glass wearers aren't bother by glasses at all.

The key point is temperature and weight. No data on either, yet.
Apple is too prude to authorize that.

Maybe Apple’s strategy relies on EU’s sideloading law… to make porn both persona non-grata and available in VR. They can deny it’s here, and blame it all on EU, and let parents decide whether they give the “PUK” code to their teenager, and that’s a winning trio.
For a 3500$ device? Fantastic!
Apple's whole trick to gaining performance is to trade away the ability to upgrade RAM because having the RAM/GPU/CPU all exist within the same chip improves the physical locality which decreases latency.
There was an issue where you couldn't accept accept an updated iCloud TOS without an iPhone. You could dismiss the prompt but it would keep nagging you whenever you turned the device on. I think it's fixed now.

In general, using the Apple TV I get the impression that Apple PMs are probably deep in the Apple bubble and the idea that someone might not have an iPhone is inconceivable to them.
Probably be a little wary on just doing a casual visual inspection. There's a wide range of airpod knockoffs at this point which are much cheaper but look almost identical at least at first glance.
I'm not sold on eyes as a pointer just yet. The Quest Pro can do this and it does not feel great. Based on experience with a lot of other headsets:

> Can we comfortably use it for 8+ hours a day?

No. Even if the ergonomics are perfect, the screens aren't good enough for this.

> Is text really crisp enough for productivity usage?

If they match the leaked resolution, no.
This has iPhone 1 feel. Killer hardware, killer idea, giant price tag, and no killer app. They were really stretching with the heart and the skyview app.

Eventually they'll get the killer app and it'll take off.
How do I make a zoom call with this thing?
They showed a demo with Bluetooth touchpad (and keyboard) input.
Is there a wider internet outage today?
I know HN is getting hugged right now, but many other websites on mobile and landline internet (in the southern US) are chugging for me.

A conspicuous number of services are showing outages on downdetector and thousandeyes.
MPEG-TS is incorporated in many digital TV standards. They will continue to be around for a long time simply because of that, regardless of technical points.
There were, and still are, many web interfaces to USENET. So, IANAL, but I doubt section 230 had much to do with it.
That is not what flag is for....

"How exactly does the flagging work?" - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12173809

"...The purpose of flagging is to indicate that a story does not belong on HN. Frivolous flagging—e.g. flagging a story that's clearly on-topic by the site guidelines just because one personally dislikes it—eventually gets an account's flagging privileges taken away. But there's a new 'hide' link for people to click if they'd just like not to see a story..."
> The displays in this device are crazy.

I'm actually curious about this, and how the displays will actually feel. The ads/keynote all talked about how they're "more than 4k for each eye", which sounds like a lot when you're talking about TVs or monitors, but... stops sounding quite as impressive when you realize you're talking about IMAX-sized screens (which is the main "wow" draw for watching movies in VR), or when talking about augmenting reality.
Another "working as intended" patent: Light-reflecting board game https://patents.google.com/patent/US7264242

And the lawsuit over it: https://generalpatent.com/professor-s-company-wins-1-6-milli...

> November 26, 2012 - Innovention Toys LLC, a company headed by a Colorado professor named Michael Larson, won its patent infringement lawsuit against MGA, Wal-Mart Stores and Toys "R" Us. A federal jury in New Orleans found that the defendants had infringed Innovention's patent on a strategy board game using lasers and mirrors.

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Back in the days of http://www.gamecabinet.com being one of the primary sources for board games on the web you'll note a search on it: http://www.gamecabinet.com/info/PatentSearch.html

One of the things this let people do is find games that were patented, but never published.

Sid Sackson wrote in A Gamut of Games:

> The files of patents that have been granted are a fruitful hunting ground for forgotten games, although going through these files, as anyone who has ever been involved in a patent search well knows, is a time consuming job. Often the patented games are downright silly, such as a set of dominos made of rubber so that they can double as ink erasers (No. 729,489) or a sliding block puzzle with edible pieces so that a player who despairs of a solution can find collation in gratifying his stomach (No. 1,274,294). Often the patents are repetitious: There are over a thousand different baseball games.

The publishing of a patent maintains the ideas - even if they never got anywhere. If you know how to look, its an archive of decades of board games rules... written in patentease.
In case others find it useful, too, I've started collecting and organizing all Rarbg database dumps and collections here (including mine - under the sleaze directory).

https://github.com/sleaze/rarbg-db-dumps

Pull-requests are very much welcome and appreciated!
Shameless plug, I wrote a Golang library for writing Home Assistant automations called gome-assistant [0]. The API looks sorta similar to this C# one, I only briefly glanced at netdaemon though.

[0]: https://github.com/saml-dev/gome-assistant
Very interesting and I can’t really blame them on the price point; this is basically the pinnacle of the in-house engineering they’ve been working at since they decided to spin out their own processors. I think it is so early on for these kinds of products that the true “market” isn’t known or formed yet, so nobody really knows if this thing is positioned well or not.
Just came across this valuable piece on GPT best practices, and it reminded me of an interesting point I read elsewhere. It's crucial to shape the input prompts effectively as the AI's response heavily depends on the input provided, mirroring a 'garbage in, garbage out' principle for AI interactions.
I can imagine having a screen strapped to my face. I can't imagine a killer app that makes it worth the trouble & cost. I was hoping apple could help me out with my limited imagination, but they're pushing Apple Vision for watching movies, surfing the internet and facetime, so not really.
Definitely going to be anecdotal here – around my neighborhood (brooklyn NY) I'm floored by how many Airpod Max's I see. It's by far the most common over-head wireless earphones I see.
Thanks! This is exactly it. Previously I spent way too long searching for this.
Google contributes to the bullshit explosion by incentivizing ppl to game the rankings and results. Same with Facebooks newsfeed. And everyone else that relies on Ads to provide their "free" services. Everyone is gaming these services cause there is money to be made if u end up at the top. Including HN. The failed assumption being whatever is in top = quality. These solutions haven't solved the Info Explosion problem. They have made it worse.

Ironically the free services like search ranking/news feed/like counting etc where the initial half thought out response to the info/content explosion that the early internet produced. They just forgot that was their goal and changed the goal post from getting a handle over info explosion to making everything about rewarding attention capture/maximising engagement and other useless shit in that contributes further info pollution.

So when google/fb etc start crumbling, incentives for the spammers and scammer will start dropping too.
$1800 was expensive but there were a number of competitors in that price range.