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I worked with companies that were funded by DARPA and patent filings were required. This was all in defense related tech like vision systems, robotics, communications, etc. There's a special portion of a patent application where you have to disclose that government funding was involved, so it must be a common occurance. If the company decides to later change the strategy for handling pending patent applications, they needed to get DARPA approval first.
I think that is what they’re trying to achieve with the avatar and oled eyesight display. The jury is out.
Which was the new version of parents fiddling with bulky camcorders as they squint through the eyepiece to record moments.
It's supposed to ship Q1 2024 according to the keynote. I wouldn't be surprised if a cheaper model becomes available around Christmas 2024
Pure anecdata of course and I'm far from the average person, but I personally do not like to wear headphones if I can avoid it. (And yes, I have good headphones.) I can't even imagine having a screen strapped to my face.
I'm amazed at how many people here missed this last week:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAhce2OgZu4
I genuinely can't tell what posts are satire or not in this thread.
To be fair when the iPhone 1 came out nobody really said they need it in their lives vs a Nokia or BB
It sticks a bool onto each value, directly attached in memory layout, taking up a byte plus padding bytes, multiplied by how many values you have.

(The compiler is allowed to improve this, but it won't.)
Thank you kindly for testing, I'll need to fix that one.
They shouldn't have revealed the price today, it would have afforded them more time to build hype around features and in-person demos (and to give themselves a chance to reduce the price before release).
It could be a positive for GPU capability - such as models that would be constrained on GPUs of say 24 GB.

This will be a positive development for LLMs like Llama.
The reason why there is corruption at the govt job level in Vietnam is because a lot of the jobs can only be gotten by family members or buying them. The street police (golden tigers) have to pay to get their job and the only way they can keep it is by taking bribes.

US did a pretty good job of preventing that sort of thing with more fair access to jobs.

That said, Jared Kushner didn't get the Saudis to give him billions of dollars because he's some magical savant. The corruption is right in front of our faces, yet people just tolerate it differently here.
TvOS 17 brings FaceTime and video conferencing to Apple TV 4K
Followup in case anyone sees: turns out OP was correct, a french language Linkedin post that details the exploit: https://www.linkedin.com/posts/christophe-dary-85330561_spf-...
I'm referring to the tendency to try to forbid any mention of a person's former name. I don't mind using someone's preferred name, I mind the historical revisionism each time someone comes out of the closet.

Similarly with forcing people to use preferred pronouns, I don't mind calling someone by their preferred name or pronoun in general, but courtesy has limits. Furthermore, imposing linguistic changes on other people is literally Orwellian.
Obviously this is ludicrously expensive (as expected), and I feel like that's probably going to ensure it remains a bit of a niche for now, but there are some good ideas here I hope other headsets will take inspiration from.

- External battery is something I've been hoping to see popularized for for a while. It would be nice if they could also put the compute module in there too (if they aren't already) to take even more weight off the head and possibly allow for modular compute units or connection to a PC.

- Iris scan is a natural way to handle authentication in a headset with eye tracking, I hope that becomes the standard in the future.

- I'm really intrigued by the choice to not have controllers, and what that will mean for their interface design. I see they copied the "click" gesture from Quest and some aspects of Quest's windowing system, but there seems to be some genuinely innovative stuff there too in regards to other hand gestures and eye tracking.

- I'm hopeful Apple's entrance into the market will set a standard for the level of polish and responsiveness that others will have to work to match

- I haven't heard much details about the new OS, but there's plenty of room for innovation there as well especially in regards to OS-level performance optimizations and API design.
This is where there's a notable disparity in this new product. "I need to grab my phone" behavior isn't any different than what people did with cameras for decades before that. The thing that changed is the technology became much more available, pervasive, and convenient. The use cases were immediately apparent and unlike this device, nobody was scratching their head around how they might actually use it in practice.
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Recently announced Oculus Quest 3 has full color and depth AR pass-through for $499
While I agree it's expensive it's not quite apples to apples. GPU memory is very very expensive. A100 80GB costs $10k msrp (> $15k on ebay). An RTX 4090 only has 24gb of vram at $1600. Even if you do dual 3090's + nvlink for $1600 you only get up to 48GB, no where near the up to 192GB of vram you can access on apple silicon. The upgrade from 64GB to 192GB of ram is $1600. That's still expensive of course, but 128GB of 800GB/s memory that your GPU has access to for $1600 is actually not bad value. It's not like just sticking an extra 128gb of ram into your computer. DDR5-6400 dual channel will give up up to 102 GB/s, which is no where near M2 Ultra or GDDR6X.
Most are probably still easier/saner to use & program with than the goddam DOM/HTML/CSS rendering via bloated JS libraries.

We sorely need a state-ful GUI markup standard so we can get desktop-friendly GUI's over HTTP instead of rely on binary, proprietary, and/or DOM-JS-bloat tools.

I kept hoping the web would eventually grow decent GUI standards, but it never did. Social networks and dancing-cat videos got all the attention, not real-work-GUIs. DOM is inherently the wrong tool for the job, and fixing it would break backward compatibility.

More on DOM-fail: https://www.reddit.com/r/CRUDology/comments/12jt7i1/the_four...
This attitude is unshrewd business. They certainly sell USB c hubs, probably Belkin branded with almost-Apple quality finishing, at a 50% markup or more over a similar generic option. They make money off the products sold in their store, by creating a market that wouldn’t have existed if all the ports were in the laptop in the first place.
Better than flag, invoke the almighty @dang to consolidate the threads.
They are not absolved of their remediation responsibilities, which are separate from these claims.
For me it could go either way. I am willing to put up with wearing a headset if it unlocks some new use cases. But we really need to know the specs. I haven't seen anyone mention a field of view, refresh rate, pixel per degree, etc. And even with these specs I would need to actually try it to get a holistic feel for the product and its software.
Yes, but all you’ll have is a big smart tv. Visio pro does a few things a TV doesn’t.
I hate the touch bar. I want my function keys back.
I agree, but I actually hope we are wrong. This tech can be amazing. I already like the Oculus with all its warts.
There's also a physical limit on bass sound from small head speakers. Much of bass sound is felt in the chest as much as in the ear, and the little speakers on the device are limited there. iPods are the same of course, and they do okay with sound, but we accept a lot of limitations on portable devices.
I have been questioning myself a lot about this for the past couple of months.
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It takes a lot of time for people to warm up to a new device type. Probably makes sense to get a premium version out to make people yearn for it and build an ecosystem, and then create a more palatable version for mainstream use.
A bigger question is – does it support mouse input? Because none of their demos showed it, and without it the headset is basically dead on arrival for any real work.
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TIL! Perlis was got that from Wilde? That makes it even cooler. He was pondering over the Wilde quote and realized that it can be reframed to apply to Lisp.

Plus, it makes Lisp programmers the opposite of cynics, in a way.

If you only care about the cost of every computation, but not its value, then you're a kind of code cynic.
The AI was pre-trained before the game shipped. Kinda like how you can have a conversation with ChatGPT and it will eventually forget what you've "taught" it
Welcome to the ultimate skeptics vs optimists thread regarding our AR/VR future
yeah esp since this is a new era of communications - but look its got a lot going for it - all day use when plugged in
Literally no one wants to do that. That's why it's someone's job to do this.

This is just like how grocery stores have made us all become cashiers.

I'm not doing that, it's work, and I'm not going to do work.
Did you build any links to the site? Links=Votes=Trust in Google's eyes....for better or worse. Even a tweet or Pinterest pin?
Not replying to you specifically, but… lol, why watch this? Its a an infomercial ad selling a product.
If there's one thing we've learned from the last two-decades-odd of the Internet being ubiquitous, it's that one cannot, in fact, outlast the harassers. They organize and they take shifts. They can keep the harassment going as long as it takes. They can keep it up until you are dead. And they can do it at scale.

That's why cutting off their ability to do it through various channels is so important.
The external facing screen conveying the user's eyes and a sense of what they are looking at is a simple but really great idea that makes this device feel much more faithful to the idea of augmented reality than any predecessor.
I'm just looking forward to being able to work/focus without the people around me always disturbing me, not thinking I'm doing anything important.. I hope this outside eye thing can be tweaked so I can use them as an "availability marker"
Pre-announcement of a leadership change...
This is clearly not what GP meant, and although i18n is rather complicated, I suspect that pointing all these things out to a junior dev in an interview would actually cause them to BSOD. The only correct answer to that question if you take i18n into account is "I'm not qualified to write that off the top of my head."
Yep.

Most people don't even like wearing eyeglass.

I feel like we're going backwards from Google Glasses.
It's hard not to be impressed by it. From a design standpoint, it feels magnitudes more human and thoughtful than everything else. It will help open the world of "spatial computing" to the everyday consumer (who has the money), not restricting it to the VR people who have already grown used to the limitations of current headsets and may not see how cool this handset-free, see-through-ish device is. The fact that existing apps already work on it is amazing, and who knows what new apps this will inspire. I'm excited.
Writing emails and compiling documents in Word seems like very "professional use-cases" to me.
> When Apple is very often double or more the price for competitive products

This is a complete lie. I've used PCs for 30 years and I'm not an apple fanboy but when you actually look at the market, there's only very few products that can compete to the macbooks to begin with and they're always in the same price range or more expensive.

> charges exorbitant prices for modest upgrades (currently $200 difference between 8 and 16 GB RAM.

This is true, but it's also true in the PC world. And PC laptops increasingly come with soldered RAMs so you don't even have the advantage of upgrading it yourself anymore.
People will need to get the new Mac Pro in their hands to develop and test drivers, although any card that works in a Thunderbolt enclosure should also work when plugged in directly.
Especially with as much emphasis they put on SharePlay in the iPhone presentation. Quite a neat feature. For the few households that will splurge $14,000 for a family of 4 to watch movies together once a month, I'd hope it would have this feature!
You and I both know the TV was not Apple's 'One more thing...' to such a cringy degree.

Preface: I've been in the VR/AR space a long time. I started a company with a friend around the launch of DK1 - we wanted to sell VR Computer Boxes. We had so many dumb but beautifully naive ideas.

I will only offer high level themes (although incomplete) that should hopefully explain why I take such issue with this release:

We already have the best vision system on the planet, 'our eyes'.

Spatial Computing in humans is not vision and audio alone - proprioception underlies all.

What you cover with a headset, you cannot faithfully recreate with cameras and software.

Use the brilliant chipset advantage to bring super 'low cost' computing embodiments to every corner of life - then integrate with devs

Ambient Computing is the next iteration of 'mac at the center of your digital life'

AirTags, Beacons, and AppClips don't get the corporate strategic attention they deserve

Apple Watch should be 'the wand' for life out in the real world, with AppClips, Beacons and such
I don’t think we are at a point in human technology where any noise-cancelling headphones sound better than cheap wired counterparts… they feel amazing by rather deceptive engineering, but it only lasts until you go back to standard non-cancelling speakers.
Would it be equally wrong if they said "camera" instead?
> However, I feel like this will be a net negative for humankind.

The sinking feeling hit me too.

I'm well aware of how my usage of computers and technology, despite how well they've served me professionally, have absolutely caused me to be a more isolated human being. Spending times on online forums were fun... but frankly, I shouldn't've been hanging out there, and instead been developing my social skills with my peers.

But now having conversations with others while my AI eyes signal to them that I am totally listening?

Sitting in an empty room watching a TV? Or worse, sitting in a room with someone else, both of us strapped up with a headset to watch something, which we have to sync through the internet.

I mean, one of the demos was a parent sitting with one of these things strapped to their face so they could record a 3D Video of their kids. Instead of, you know, being with their kids.

VR/AR was already here, but now Apple have made it real. Not looking forward to this.
I'm carrying the bitter taster genes, which are adapted to alkyloid soils in southeastern Europe. Which means that some of my relatives must have migrated farther back than I know because as far as I'm aware I'm four or five kinds of northerner all mashed together.

We are chock full of adaptations to time and place.
I do that now with a Quest 2. I assume Apple has done it 10x better (for 10x the price) but I wonder if you need it to be 10x better.
We've had all these things since the very first VR headsets. I remember sitting in a movie theatre setting trying to play a 1080P movie and it looking like a potato.

Forgetting the AR/VR debate for a minute, the thing holding these back from wide adoption has been resolution and comfort. I have yet to use an XR device where I can simply play a video without it being jarringly blurry and pixelated. I've yet to use an XR device that isn't a chore to wear and sweaty (although I do trust Apple to address this one).

Let's see. The proof will be in the pudding when I try one of these in an Apple store next year.
We're really missing the point here. Yes, that device can't do better. You can't do that with your friends together. But there's some similar in America right now. You can just jump in and in 2 or 4 minutes, and that kind of experience. Why to bother this kind of thing, this new tech? Doing things together is good, I think that's the main selling point of these devices.
Agree the tech is incredible, it just seems like something I would use a handful of times, be like ‘that was cool’ and then never really use again
Regardless of the future of the device, it’s been a long way for Apple to get here. ARKit was released in 2017 and is on version 6 by now, so far mostly for gimmicks. The same is true for the lidar sensor on every iPhone and iPad Pros: consumers have been bearing cost of R&D and establishing the supply chain for years. Also don’t forget binaural spatial audio: though quite cool on its own in the AirPods, it is clear that AR/VR is the application it shines. Finally, Apple Silicon’s absolute performance and performance per watt gives them an definite edge over competitors.

Although not needing handheld controllers is quite an Apple move, I am personally disappointed that the UX is not more spatial, but rather floating traditional 2D interfaces. As users of the first gen bear more of the initial manufacturing and R&D cost, let’s hope Apple can further iterate on the ideas, and also reduce costs for a proper consumer-range model.
I'm willing to take the opposite "bet", and say that I think this will receive very little traction.

The single reason being that it's uncomfortable to use. That's it. It's an "Emperor's New Clothes" type saying: It doesn't matter how impressive the capabilities are, if it's uncomfortable, people will, after the initial allure fades, just not use it.

IMO The only viable future for VR/AR is when the form factor will come down to normal looking/weighting glasses that I might look around for while having them on.
It’s possible, but I see a use case for this as a replacement monitor for my Mac, plus a lot more. If this were $2k I’d get one immediately, assuming an in-store demo is not disappointing.

I have never had any interest in Meta products (partly because of their affiliation with FB).
Duplicate of https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36201593
The said during the event that they have a custom chip to do the signal processing for the cameras and sensors. I fully believe they’ve solved the camera latency issue.
Note that 65" is very different from 100" and most people's movie experience at home is far too small relative to the directors' intents.

The Sonos w/ sub + rear surrounds and an 85" OLED TV with these latencies will put you in the price point of this thing.

If you're apart, both people would need a room, TV, and Sonos system to share the experience. So each has that "need one per person" problem depending whether colocated or not.
Yep, you could probably describe the iPhone as an iteration on an already pretty well developed concept too
> even apple only made it with 2h runtime

Using a tiny battery pack. I'm assuming (hoping) that you'll be able to use something bigger that provides USB-C power and get a correspondingly longer life.
The price is to high for companies.

Laptop budget is 1-3k.

And people steal expensive shit. Alone the stealing is a deal breaker alone.

And we have working cheap AR glasses.
Yeah but navigation requires internet.

I drove through Death Valley and thought I was super smart by pre-downloading the whole area…
Can I use this with my Mac to replace my physical displays and work with the headset on? That would be incredible if possible.
> That really is the $3,500 question.

For me the question rather is: is being able to work from the sofa a couple of hours a day without having to stare at a small screen worth $3.5k? Certainly.
That's not at all true. It works just fine without owning any other Apple product. How do you think it requires you own an Apple product?
There’s no question this will be a game changer. Applications will be absolutely endless. Can you imagine putting this on and having guides on fixing homes or cars? I didn’t know it was going to be completely untethered. That you can walk around with this thing freely.

By the 3rd gen and cheaper price, Apple will be selling a lot of these devices. As software ecosystem emerge to create this entirely new experience, I cannot wait to see what people develop to use this device.

I don’t necessarily think this first gen will sell well but it will make people start thinking of all the possibilities. I am excited.
> A unique dual‑chip design enables the spatial experiences on Vision Pro... The powerful M2 chip simultaneously runs visionOS... the brand-new R1 chip is specifically dedicated to process input from the cameras...

Any information on the new "R1" chip?

Signal processing sounds like FPGA territory, would be interesting to know what is unique for giving this chip new branding, versioning, and calling it out... versus just saying "the headset processes input from the cameras..."
I'd love to be able to bring more of my regular tools with me. Run a small prometheus instance, a small samba instance, a postgres database.

On a 128MB wifi router this all & a lot of other small utils fits okay ish, runs fine, while routing. 256MB vastly preferred.
Very interesting… I guess the CEO’s were hired to be thrown under the bus when it is the time.

Their job was to PLEASE: Provide legal exculpation and sign everything. (hey HIMYM fans!)
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Institutions stand to lose enormous amounts of money if NIH researchers go on strike. The reason: delayed clinical trials.

Even more important, in particular this case the individual researcher stand little to loose, since those trials are mostly multi center, multi stakeholders and the individual research drone does not get much credit for its contribution.
I would keep an eye out at Costco, M1 Pro MBPs still pop up on sale there regularly, they might get some Studios.
Multiple sources, including the Pentagon, confirmed that SpaceX was not donating Starlink services in spring 2022 and that the Pentagon, Poland, and others had been paying for all of the equipment and services supposedly donated by SpaceX up to that point.

SpaceX asked Pentagon "to take over" funding via Twitter because Musk either didn't know that the Pentagon was already doing that, or because he knew and wanted to lie about it to make himself look better. As Musk was espousing numerous Russian talking points at the time, it's also possible he was asked to do so by his Russian contacts.

In addition, SpaceX donated at least 50 Powerwall according to the Ukraine’s government:

Wow. For an order of 20,000 Starlink terminals, SpaceX is willing to throw in a few Powerwalls? It's like Apple throwing in a free lithium battery when you buy 20 iphones. We should all grovel before Musk's generosity in getting rid of obsolete previous-generation Powerwall units that Tesla was unable to sell to paying customers.
You are not wrong. Let’s wait and see. I actually hope I’m wrong.