skysight-inc/HackerNews huggingface dataset:
I agree that nothing about the statement makes me think the risks are real however I disagree that if the risks are real these companies would stop working on their product. I think more realistically they'd shut up about the risk and downplay it a lot. Much like the oil industry did wrt climate change going back to the 70's.
1. What advertising companies have been abusing power too. Two wrongs do not make a right.

2.

Plenty of examples of 3 letter agencies abusing their powers if you search.

EFF, reason.com, and the register usually make a point of reporting on it.

eg: https://www.eff.org/wp/patterns-misconduct-fbi-intelligence-...

https://reason.com/2023/05/17/the-durham-report-is-right-abo...

For example spying on (ex) girlfriends, seeing people in various state of undress (cameras in devices) etc.

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2015/01/government-releases-do...
Chrome mobile does the same thing, with a smiley face for >99 tabs.
Inflation is staying high because we're not taming housing costs:

https://www.marketplace.org/2023/03/14/housing-costs-are-a-m...

Higher borrowing costs have slowed the meteoric rise of a bunch of markets, there's some sign of sale prices dropping, but monthly costs stayed the same or increased with mortgage rates; they're apparently not a tool that can pop that side of the bubble.

This is usually where the chorus of "just let people build" comes in, and decreasing barriers to adding new stock is a good start, but I've come to believe it's simply unlikely that market incentives will ever make housing more affordable. As far as I can tell, housing costs do not drop unless demand significantly drops. And even theoretically from a pure incentives POV you can see why developers would prefer to chase markets with rising prices and watch production/building to avoid the point of diminishing marginal returns and maximize income.

I don't know exactly what the solution is. Maybe it's something like Singapore Housing and Development Board (probably untenable in the US). Maybe it's using an array of higher taxes against supply-constricting or price-inflating behavior (vacancy taxes, short-term rental taxes, property taxes that increase with regional ownership volume or rental prices above standard deviation) to fund development grants. Maybe it's something else. But the market is not going to lead the way out alone.
I'd agree.

I haven't tried asking GPT4 a bunch of react questions yet. I wonder if its advice is generally in accordance with the "new way", given the training data cutoff date.
I'm curious to the story behind async being rushed out for Amazon
Am I missing something? None of the example is about inflation. Even with low inflation, I don't see how sending 6 kids to religious school or borrowing from 401k to renovate the house is considered financially prudent.
Apologies, the Russian bot comment was more me venting frustration at the prevalence of low-effort response like yours (sorry) to those who try to raise concerns about AI safety.

I do agree with you that extinction from AI isn't likely to be an issue this decade. However, I would note that it's difficult to predict what the rate of change is likely to be once you have scalable general intelligence.

I can't speak for people who signed this, but for me the trends and risks of AI are just as clear as those of climate change. I don't worry that climate change is going to be a major issue this decade (and perhaps not even next), but it's obvious where the trend is going when you project out.

Similarly the "real" risks of AI may not be this decade, but they are coming. And again, I'd stress it's extremely hard to project when that will be since when you have a scalable general intelligence progress is likely to accelerate exponentially.

So that said, where do we disagree here? Are you saying with a high level of certainty that extinction risks from AI are too far in the future to worry about? If so, when do you think extinction risks from AI are likely to be a concern – a couple of decades, more? Do you hold similar views about the present extinction risk of climate change – and if so, why not?

Could I also ask if you believe any resources in the present should be dedicated to the existential risks future AI capabilities could pose to humanity? And if not, when would you like to see resources put into those risks? Is there some level of capability that you're waiting to see before you begin to be concerned?
Just cool yourself out for a minute bro. We are all friends here.
One thing I always find interesting / amusing is how the timing of certain types of post here on HN is in a sense far more informative (e.g. by implication as to "what is the current zeitgeist that has suddenly made this "news" or relevant again?), than the linked articles themselves.

E.g. crablang wasn't exactly announced yesterday for this to be newsworthy in itself; but an HN top post on crablang almost serves as a reliable signal for yet another rust gossipworthy event being in the news.

Same with Signal/Telegram as a signal for WhatsApp; Telegram as a signal for E2EE, etc
The first mechanical clock that could accurately and reliably measure seconds was a pendulum clock with a length of one metre. Seconds and metres go hand in hand with the metric system.
"For instance, Google always presents drivers with the fastest route, regardless of tolls. But sometimes, paying a toll would shave only a minute or two off the ride, while adding significantly to the cost."

Ah... the joy of NYC tolls. Even with EZ pass, a ride to JFK from NJ is almost $28 just in toll roundtrip. $37 without EZ pass. $37!!!
Congress has been increasing the number of ways which you can qualify for a hardship withdrawal. The Bipartisan Budget Act of 2018 made a lot of changes to the rules around hardship withdrawals making it easier than ever to use them as savings accounts instead.

This is why self-funded retirement is bad. It really only benefits wealthy people (who don't need the money), since regular people are going to see that balance and get the urge to spend it.
Pretty much anyone can sign it, also notable people like Grimes, not sure why her signature carries weight on this
Yes, IIRC, the evening edition had essentially "updates" to the morning edition. I was very young though, I don't recall getting both editions past the mid-90s.
We could discuss the 2014 events for hours and in any case the shelling has been going from both directions.

But there's one clear fact - the war in Donbas was calming down in intensity in the years preceding 2022. In the three years 2019-2021, 78 civilians died in total, mostly from old unexploded mines. There was absolutely no "need" to make it a full scale war and ramp up the number to tens of thousands civilians dead.
Signatory Jan Taallin has founded an x-risk organization focused on AI, biotech, nuclear weapons, and climate change:

https://futureoflife.org/
Ah.. I see where you are coming from.. I think most of the time I just live in a state of passive denial. You might see it as naive .. I can just say it personally works for me. But I think people who believe in an afterlife might also find meaning more rewarding than fun.
I’m not saying either of us is right or wrong, just wanted to give you a hint of who might want to pursue some meaning in their life :)
I'll always remember my Great Uncle, who begged my Grandfather every time he saw him, to bring him a pistol so he could end it and escape the torture that was his chemo treatments.

There is absolutely a point past which all quality of life is destroyed and it isn't worth continuing care.
Going from an entirely fossil grid to on average having 78% renewables last week is nothing to scoff at? Perfect is the enemy of good.

https://energy-charts.info/charts/renewable_share/chart.htm?...
Thanks for the reply! Not to derail any further but there have been numerous events that ought to be a perfect fit if it were only a matter of the Venn diagram. For example there has been no mention of Volt Typhoon malware on Guam or Russia's Snake malware.

https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...

https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...

I could be biased but I think there is a concerted effort to bury these topics. I would have loved to see a discussion with this crowd! I'm sure you're busy so don't worry about responding, I'm just airing something that's been on my mind.
I'd even say that maths is what appears when you stop willing to pay for concretion.
Show HN: OpenChat – Open-Source LLM chatbots console
Hi HN,

tl;dr: Run and create custom ChatGPT-like bots with OpenChat, embed and share these bots anywhere. It's built for the average user with a focus on simplicity, and, you can selfhost it: https://github.com/openchatai/OpenChat/

This is Gharbat. Two weeks ago, I was trying to play around with LLMs, especially the open-source ones, but for some reason, it felt a bit complex (at least for the average user).

So, I decided to build OpenChat, OpenChat is an everyday user chatbot console that simplifies the utilization of large language models. It serves as a central hub for managing multiple customized chatbots.

Currently, we only support GPT models (working on adding other opensource LLMs). You can create unlimited chatbots from your PDFs, websites (and many other integrations coming soon). Then, you can integrate these bots anywhere (your website, Slack, and many other integrations on the roadmap).

I have a very ambitious roadmap, something like one command to install, and two minutes to create your chatbot using your favorite LLM. No rocket science or anything like -insert this thing here that's extremely hard for an average user to do-.

Some examples on what you can do now with OpenChat:
- Create a customer support chatbot by just providing your website, then embed this bot on your website as chat widget.
- Create a chatbot and upload large pdf document (+400 pages) as data source, then chat with this document.
- Provide multiple data sources for the same chatbot.
- Have a full control on your stuff, it's open source.

What you will be able to do soon:
- Support Slack integration (allow users to connect chatbots with their Slack workspaces)
- Support Intercom integration (enable users to sync chat conversations with Intercom)
- Support offline open-source models (e.g., Alpaca, LLM drivers)
- Support Confluence, Notion, Office 365, and Google Workspace as data sources.

Our direct links:
- Github repo: https://github.com/openchatai/OpenChat/
- Website: https://openchat.so/

I'd be happy if you give it a try and let me know what you think and what you expect it to offer in the future.
When I'm cycling hard and I have to think about something like shifting or starting to go uphill and concentrating on that effort, I've noticed that I don't breath enough.

I've also noticed that I breath differently standing up and sitting down. While sitting down, there is less room in my abdomen for my lungs to expand, and that leads to shallower breaths.
Technically, I think it's not that instrumental goals tend to converge, but rather that there are instrumental goals which are common to many terminal goals, which are the so-called "convergent instrumental goals".

Some of these goals are ones which we really would rather a misaligned super-intelligent agent not to have. For example:

- self-improvement;

- acquisition of resources;

- acquisition of power;

- avoiding being switched off;

- avoiding having one's terminal goals changed.
It appears blowing up gas pipelines is a valid solution. The US will no doubt use this solution in the future.
Jurchen Jin (849bp)
> more narrow data interests,

Except that the government has instituted dragnets that effectively hoover up the data of everyone

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/06/effs-flagship-jewel-v-...
Indeed, an epistemological crisis seems to be the most realistic problem in the next few years.
That's cute but code has been copyrightable for decades, especially when it's Microsoft's code.

>as the AI did not use any copyrightable content in determining the output.

uuhhhhhh...didn't it? I thought we were talking about AI systems that are outputting code from their training sets verbatim. I don't see how you could possibly argue that the code it copies from its training set wasn't used to copy that same exact code from its training set.
Given the choice, I'd always rather have a thing offend me than for it to be deliberately made less useful.
Lyft is one of the biggest contributors to OSM. Here is a list of OSM accounts related to Lyft [0]. In many places where I've edited OSM, Lyft employees have contributed quality data where there wasn't any before.

How (and, how respectfully) companies should contribute to OSM is an ongoing debate. But corporate influences are often a good thing, and I think nearly anyone would agree that Lyft's contributions to OSM have been resoundingly helpful.

[0] https://github.com/OSM-DCT-Lyft/US/wiki/OSM-Team-Members
if the empire fails, what are you gonna do with gold?
> Come on. Both binutils and nasm can generate perfectly working PE object files. I don't know the answer off the top of my head, but I bet anything even pure MSVC has a simple answer here.

Right, meaning you have to implement N solutions instead of just one. It's a common enough and useful enough feature for the language to support it. I think it would be a different story if linkers were covered by the language specification.
Who in the world is an expert on existential risk? It's kind of hard to have empirically tested knowledge about that sort of thing.
> That wasn't the advice. The advice is that if you want to maintain a relationship with someone, make a little effort to do so. Social media has made people ultra-lazy.

exactly. Today people won't even comment on something, ask you something. They just see the posts/stories, or at max, click 'like' or one of the reactions.

You don't need to communicate every day or write long essays, but leaving a comment on a photo, or asking "did you like it?" if a friend post that they were watching a movie/etc, is not a lot of effort.
That's it guys they said on a website that mitigating the risk of AI is important. I for one can sleep well at night for the world is saved.
> Anyone upvoting this comment should take a long look at the names on this letter and realize that many are not conflicted.

The concern is that the most informed names, and those spearheading the publicity around these letters, are the most conflicted.

Also, you can't scan bio lines for the affiliations that impact this kind of statement. I'm not disputing that there are honest reasons for concern, but besides job titles there are sponsorships, friendships, self publicity, and a hundred other reasons for smart, "politically sophisticated" people to look the other way on the fact that this statement will be used as a lobbying tool.

Almost everyone, certainly including myself, can agree that there should be active dialog about AI dangers. The dialog is happening! But by failing to make specifics or suggestions (in order to widen the tentpole and avoid the embarrassment of the last letter), they have produced an artifact of generalized fear, which can and will be used by opportunists of all stripes.

Signatories should consider that they are empowering SOMEBODY, but most will have little say in who that is.
Talking to a driver about this I was told that the platform is always re-routing drivers to maximize revenue for lyft, so when the app says "finding you another driver", it's not the driver that canceled, it's the platform decided that driver was better off, revenue wise, to complete a different fare.

The fact that this is opaque to the end user just means we get mad at the workers and not the corporation, classic.
Savings benefit Lyft customers directly by keeping the company solvent – since the rides aren’t being heavily subsidized, the rates are going to go up and things like this will reduce the sting.

It also helps indirectly by giving them control. Google doesn’t do product development well and Maps has been stagnant or even regressing for years. Lyft can always flub it but now they have the incentives lined up where the only party needed to make what Lyft users want is Lyft.

As for Google, they’re a big company and they can take criticism. It’s certainly not like they’re shy about canceling products or changing the terms any time some MBA thinks it’ll help their bonus, and I’d be quite surprised if they didn’t pass on the opportunity to keep a customer multiple times before now.
What they can and have done about it is to redirect their trade towards non western countries that constitute the majority of the world. Plenty of recent articles clearly show that the sanctions have been an utter failure in practice. The only entity that's being severely hurt here is Europe.

https://archive.is/2023.02.23-211202/https://www.nytimes.com...

https://archive.ph/Niqwh

https://nationalinterest.org/feature/can-we-please-stop-comp...

https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/russian-economy-minis...

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2023/may/21/the-west-ti...
Do laptops and desktops count as 'cyber security' tools? Otherwise, this feels worthless
Honestly, it's not enough. There needs to be a full stop on Russian Gas/Oil imports _now_, no matter the cost. You're literally funding innocent people to be killed.
Hinton has invested in multiple AI companies: https://www.crunchbase.com/person/geoffrey-hinton
If they fork it and use the data publicly, it need to be shared in the same license (ODBL)
@scythe two thumbs up.
Amazing how blind the majority is even though they have black on white spelled out in front of them.
> and pickup and drop-off guides to heavily trafficked destinations, so drivers and riders can get in and out of the airport (or stadium or park) more easily

Lyft doesn't have that?! I though this was a standard feature of taxi apps. Yandex Taxi allows you to call a taxi to a specific pole in the arrivals area at the airport in my city, for example.
Because current captchas fail to stop 100% of bots and 0% of humans… it’s “not a bad thing” to move closer to captchas stopping 0% of bots and 100% of humans…?

Are you imagining this would spur people to create a different, bot-free (how?) and disabled-human friendly Internet?
The Making of a Mona Lisa Hologram
You can't fit any number in such a little place.
And precision is not relevant facing such a big number
Finally, I think it hurts performance, so it may be a good design choice to annoy enough on order to incite people to close them :)
There is an auto-close setting. There is no point in having them kept "open", because they are not kept in memory anyway, unlike on desktop.
Yes - Lyft contributed the overwhelming majority of the new data back into OSM. The only exceptions were layers that didn't meet OSM community standards for various technical reasons.

Source - I led this team
Pascal (eg Turbo Pascal) vs Super Pascal vs Object Pascal also springs to mind.
As someone else said, Chrome does a smiley face. I just always assumed this was because of a UI limitation of space and the UI not working if it had 3 characters. I personally don't mind it. It's not like the tabs go away, if you go to the tab view, they are all still there. It doesn't limit you or anything.
Using anything that could cause incorrect directions as a trap location / trap street would be a ridiculously bad idea. I strongly suspect the reason is a more standard corporate one; the volume of corrections and signal to noise ratio is probably quite poor.

In the case of my repeated Uber map correction attempt, I suspect that my correction isn't prioritized because of two factors: first, the turn which Uber Maps suggests, while both illegal and very dangerous, is not impossible (it's an illegal left turn accomplished by making a U-Turn around an island designed to prevent left turns). So, they probably see enough volume of "driver completed route as suggested" data signals to ignore any "but it's illegal and dangerous" complaints, a classic problem with "data driven" systems. And, Uber don't seem to have a real process for riders to submit mapping corrections, only drivers, so my request is unlikely to ever be routed to the correct queue to begin with.
I really appreciate you taking the time to provide this context!

Intuitively I had a rough idea around why this was both a) a blocking issue ("why can't we just YOLO-try some version of it anyways?" came up at least a couple times on our side internally during alpha evaluation) and b) a hard issue, but I didn't know the details re: SQLite being single-writer specific (at least for the time being).

Valuable for my own knowledge, in addition to being useful re: understanding the steps involved for Cloudflare to enable this in the future.

I was already excited about Smart Placement regardless, but now doubly so knowing it is adjacent to what will enable a more generic solution for D1. We used DOs very heavily on the project I mentioned in my previous post, but as you call out, they are more complex to reason about, and in practice it limited who could work on them effectively on our team.

I always appreciate your comments in Worker / DO-related threads here on HN and have found them very insightful / helpful in learning more about what's under the hood! Thanks for taking the time to continue posting here - I know there's lots to do elsewhere.
Ray Dalio wrote a book on it [1]. But here is a short video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHe0bXAIuk0

1. https://www.amazon.com/Changing-World-Order-Nations-Succeed/...
You simply shouldn't have 99 tabs. That's not what tabs are for.

Other tools exist that are much more appropriate for the job you're trying to emulate with a clusterfuck of active tabs.
Not smarter. Not even trying to hide it. And Russia is selling oil at a price they set. It's just the EU that's paying more to pretend they aren't doing business with Russia.

"India’s diesel exports tripled to ~1,600,000 barrels per day in March 2023, compared to a year ago, making diesel one of the largest components of India-EU trade."

https://oilprice.com/Energy/Crude-Oil/India-Leads-In-Russian...
Why would I put money on a bet that would only pay off when I, and everyone else, was dead?
Those same millennials that were preyed upon by poor financial programs pushed by their parents generation. The same millennials who suffered financial setback after financial setback all while the X’ers and Boomers got richer. Yeah, it’s going to be a bitch.
Yeah, I think most animals have every right to fear us more now that we have guns. Just like Id fear a chimp more if he was carrying a machine gun.

My argument is that if we're looking for things AI can't to, building a home for itself is precisely one of those things, because they require so much infra. No amount of AI banding together is going to magically create a data center with all the required (physical) support. Maybe in scifi land where everything it needs can be done with internet connected drive by wire construction equipment, including utils, etc, but that's scifi still.

AI is precisely a tool in the way a chess bot is. It is a disembodied advisor to humans who have to connect the dots for it. No matter how much white collar skill it obtains, the current MO is that someone points it at a problem and says "solve" and these problems are well defined and have strong exit criteria.

That's way off from an apocalyptic self-important machine.
In some sense OSM is "just" the database — what things exist and where are those things.

A mapping product like Google/Apple Maps includes a lot more functionality that often gets taken for granted.

For instance:
- A geocoding search engine to find places by name, address, or description
- navigational directions
- tiling and other data distribution (which is both software and hardware)
- styling and UI

There is a huge variety of open source options for this functionality, but it's hardly a plug and play thing, and quality varies wildly. Putting it all together is no small feat.

Disclaimer: I work on Headway (https://about.maps.earth) which is trying to make this kind of thing easier.