Gary you're going to ruin your
career well okay whatever it's too late
for that
um but I haven't uh and
um because I basically say look if you
and I can agree that the data is real
irrespective of what the potential
conclusions might be the hypotheses then
the onus is no longer on me to come up
with an answer now it's also on you
because we're having a discussion about
this so it's believe the data not the
conclusion so you see the data and
that's what and that's where the fun is
that's where the hypothesis starts so
you know people have come up with all
kinds of ideas everything from future
humans future AI coming back to us
because somehow they figured out time
travel to What's called the
ultra-terrestrial hypothesis that they
are part of I'm sure some people here at
least know what a Von Neumann probe is
right this idea of a self-replicating
machine that could have been developed
by a technology or a civilization on the
other side of the Galaxy that even in
just a few hundred million years would
could make its way by conventional means
all the way across the uh all the way
across the Galaxy and when it gets there
it basically builds copies of itself and
it does what it's doing and it basically
some other civilization sent it out now
Avi lope was here last year so I'm part
of an Sab with Avi Loeb on a company
called Copernicus space Corporation and
guess what our objective is to build the
first Von Neumann probes to go out and
spread Humanity's original presence
across all the reality so that's one of
the others yeah a third one is well what
do you Gary Dr Nolan you have to
speculate what do you think it is let's
be bold I think it is an advanced form
of intelligence something that we don't
understand that is using some kind of
intermediaries however it is like I said
about the you know the you know you're
not going to end up in the middle of the
tribe the angry monkeys that are
flinging muck at each other or nuclear
bombs uh you're not gonna and you're not
going to show yourself in the middle of
the ambient what you're going to send
intermediaries you know it's not that
they walk amongst us that you know you
uh are wearing a skin suit are actually
the alien right no you're going to
basically put something there that is I
think of it as an intelligence test can
you see what's in front of you for what
it really is can you see the anomalous
data point that is there that you
realize what it is I mean when the uh
South American
native tribes first saw the um Spanish
Ships coming across the Horizon they
didn't realize what it was they couldn't
see it for what it was
so you know this is as I said before
this is the kind of the wow factor that
they're they're showing up they're
saying well who amongst you are
intelligent enough to realize what it is
that you're looking at yeah they don't
have to land on the White House lawn we
can only make the joke about is there
intelligence in DC at all right you you
just need to show yourself to enough to
acculturate yeah now if you've been
around for a long time and this is what
something that I do think has been
they've been around for a long time they
are affecting our culture right it's
actually often thought that many of the
religions that we think of as the most
important have been part of this process
I mean there are so many tangents to go
down we have about one minute and 45
seconds wow we've covered a lot though
you know I think
what you just said feels like it has
strong parallels to religion to what's
happening with AI right now to the
simulation hypothesis like they all are
kind of saying something very very
similar here right and I guess I'm
curious right as we wrap this up
what happens next
well what happens next is I mean what
you're actually seeing is what's
happening next is the
professionalization of this right it's
not just me I mean I have many now
scientists with whom I'm working right
there's Ryan Graves who was one of the
pilots that saw the some of the some of
the objects in those videos he's got the
American Institute of Aeronautics and
um Engineers 50 000 strong organization
he's got a group within them as well as
a 501c3 for civil aviation yeah um you
know we've used and I'm just going to be
honest we've used the threat narrative
that these things are showing up
repeatedly I mean this is today they're
showing up repeatedly around our our
ships so I think we've the the objective
has been to make it okay to talk about
it yeah because because we made it okay
to talk about it we open the apertures
on the filters on the sensor systems
that's what partly led to the seeing of
those Chinese balloons you wouldn't have
seen them if it weren't for that yeah
right because we created laws that said
it's time to open the apertures because
they were only looking at particular uh
flight Paths of things that looked like
a missile or or a plane so I that's the
next part I'm frankly involved with the
development of a 501c3 myself uh we're
calling it The Saul foundation and our
objective is to actually write policy
papers for government
governments uh and Commercial
Enterprises to basically give them the
opportunity to think about it it's not
that it's it's going to happen tomorrow
and it's a slow release process we think
but to basically give that opportunity
and then to develop what I'm doing
actually is developing novel kinds of
materials analysis pipelines for uh
basically and analyzing the material
which is in the public sphere or the
semi-public sphere but then also frankly
as a goad uh and a lure to bring in
those who do have the stuff behind the
scenes so that they can say oh okay
because I want to see it published yeah
I don't want to see it behind the scenes
anymore yeah and finally what you're
seeing is that a lot of people who are
within the Intel communities as well are
frustrated and they want to bring it out
because they haven't been able to figure
it out because the best Minds aren't
working on it yeah the crazy scientists
at Harvard MIT Yale or wherever
um are basically not allowed in because
maybe they do a little bit too much of
this or other things and they couldn't
get a security clearance if they wanted
to yeah well I mean I I agree I think
that we need to destigmatize this
narrative we need to share this
narrative more broadly the time God's
gave us two minutes Dr Nolan it looks
like we were doing pretty well if you
seemed to like it we're very lucky there
um I'm curious
how can we accelerate this right like we
want to get the brightest Minds on this
I think maybe you and I share this like
let's go let's do it I think you need to
bring together I mean this is the part
of this professionalization yeah you
need to bring together the right set of
uh basically frankly anthropologists and
sociologists how do we talk about the
fact that we're not at the top of the
intellectual food chain
first of all how do you deal with the
with the religions every one of these
religions is going to basically look to
whatever that is and say okay well what
do they believe
right we know that the Vatican is
involved I mean and I'm working with
people who are working with the Vatican
to basically get them they've already
said
this is very arrogant they've already
said well of course they can be
Christians
of course they can have a Jesus they can
be saved uh they have a soul
um I mean I think the opportunity is for
us to worry about whether they think
we're worthy of saving well Dr Nolan I I
really appreciate you taking the time to
have this conversation I appreciate all
of you coming on this journey with us I
hope you learned something new I hope
you're willing to question your beliefs
just a little bit more and maybe
together we can understand reality yeah
there's something here there is thank
you guys thank you