skysight-inc/HackerNews huggingface dataset:
3 years is a huge step up on where Android support was a few years ago, let alone 5 years. There are Android tablets and phones I've bought in the past that never got one update or any kind of security update, and were out of date before they were even released in terms of software. They couldn't even run the apps I'd bought them for as I'd naively assumed they'd be running the latest OS when they launched.

Plenty of manufacturers also promise updates and don't deliver because they're at the mercy of Qualcomm providing driver updates. The last Nokia I had got a couple months of updates then nothing for over a year, yet was in the Android One program.

Like I said: it's fine. If replacing the phone in 3 years or 5 years time is going to be a problem then perhaps you should have bought a cheaper phone and replaced more often, IMO. The cost of ownership per year assuming 3-5 years is the price of a piece of crap that gets updates for a few months to a year.

By the time year 2 hits on most phones, the battery is mediocre versus what it used to be. Google has a trade-in program that gives pretty good credit towards the next device.

It's a cellphone. It's not a desktop computer. They aren't built to last or assumed to last. Buy it, use it, trash or trade it in, get the next one. Sure, I wish that there was an ATX-like standard for cellphone chassis and parts, but there isn't, and the support is much better than it was.

Cellphones are garbage versus what they used to be in build quality and durability, but they also do much more than they ever did.

Maybe an iPhone would suit you better? Hell, I didn't even use a phone for quite a few years as I shared your sentiment, but I aged out of it and found other things to worry about, and a few hundred bucks every few years is whatever to have one less problem with something I use for a good chunk of every day.

My modded ThinkPad T440p is still going strong. The missus's X201 is still going strong too. I use 30-50 year old tech elsewhere because it still works, I love the design, and/or it's easy to service. I get the sentiment.
The main code that executes when you turn off the location setting for a user that stops apps from getting your location is LocationManagerService.refreshAppOpsRestrictions

https://cs.android.com/android/platform/superproject/+/maste...

This function removes the coarse and fine permissions from all apps except those who are on the Emergency Bypass Allowlist or the ADAS Bypass Allowlist.

https://source.android.com/docs/devices/automotive/location_...
Of course it does. He knows it. Some people just can't bring himself to stare at the reality of it all.
My week with Dyson’s absurd wearable air purifier
Are you 95 years old?
I'm pretty sure the waste from cell phones pales in comparison to televisions.

Which again pales in comparison to things like cars.

Phones are tiny and lightweight. Yes let's try to recycle them better, but they're just not a very noteworthy source of waste at all. A lot of people throw away more plastic food packaging in a week.
Seriously I wish battery swaps were as streamlined as buying a new phone. I would love to just amortize that in my phone bill and keep my phone.
How about just all day battery life.
There are plenty of cash rental options out there.
Or similarly by boat between the US and Canada. Especially through First Nations communities like in Akwesasne. [1]

[1] https://www.cbc.ca/news/indigenous/akwesasne-irs-tobacco-smu...
Apparently it’s time for a reminder that the flag/downmod button is absolutely not a disagree button. This comment definitely contributes to the conversation.
> His immediate concern is that the internet will be flooded with false photos, videos and text, and the average person will “not be able to know what is true anymore

Since real life is faithfully following the plot of MGS2 so far, the next step is to make an AI who runs the government and filters the entire internet and decides what is true or not.
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I hate this.
Always more and more control from our government that know what is good for us!
I can’t stand this government and hope people wake up and switch at next elections.
I hang on to my phone as long as I can, although mostly out of laziness and cheapness.

It would be nice if phones could converge to absorb laptops somehow. Fold or roll out maybe?
You won’t get downvoted because this thread got buried, despite the article being written by the literal pioneer of AGI (full disclosure, also a longtime friend)

If AI doesn’t kill us, something else likely will end things in our lifetimes. But AI is the only thing that can avert those other disasters, unless we can cure the idiocracy we got ourselves into. To think that Neuralink is the best thing Elon could come up with to that end.

Not a fun situation to be in.
Most shoplifting - in fact, almost all of it - in places like SF is not done by people starving and having to steal to survive. If is done by organized crime sending people to steal and then reselling the goods. It is about greed, but of course the actual criminals get ignored and the imaginary criminals are blamed because the ideology demands so.
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I've kept my phones for around 5 years before replacing them. Especially now, wfh I'm always a few seconds away from my laptop. The most usage I get out of the phone is when on the throne, reading HN or browsing memes.
It would be nice to save the resources that go into their batteries though.
Market might've peaked in 2021 salary-wise BECAUSE people were not willing to move so much? Not because of demand (more job openings), but because of restricted supply (devs were prob unwilling to move in uncertain times). Just a thought though.
I don’t think it’s important to dive into tech details on the damus homepage. Gmail doesn’t attempt to explain the email RFCs when creating an account.
iPhones receive 5 years of support from when the device was _last sold by Apple_. Functionally, that means that buying a new iPhone when it's released will mean that it receives 7 years of OS updates, including security fixes to the baseband and other hardware.

I was using an iPhone 8 until last year, and it was functionally fine until I replaced it.

This is one area where Apple is unambiguously leading the pack on mainstream manufacturers. The iPhone 14 is winning accolades for its (relative) ease of repair-ability, as well. It is not inconceivable that if you buy an iPhone 14 today, it will receive software and hardware support until 2029 - or even 2030 if you're lucky.
If the imitation becomes indistinguishable to the real thing based off of every test that can possibly be generated in the universe then it is an intelligence.

In that sense, because we are making progress on producing an indistinguishable imitation... you might as well say we are making progress on an actual sentient intelligence.
what could be easier than "tapping on an icon with my index finger"?
Some like Pentagon Federal keep 100% of their mortgage loans. That's a nice feature of buying through them, not having your loan sold to random companies from time to time. That leads to them being very conservative with their lending and giving you an enhanced interrogation to get approved though. If every lender operated like them these financial crises wouldn't come as often.
I wish I lived in a city where 2 converter thefts every 4 decades was the bar for "serious theft problem"

There are about 100 cars stolen a year, so probably more than 2 converter thefts every 4 decades. If you don't want surveillance, don't diminish and ignore crime.
TIL, don't hang a bird feeder of any type that close to a window.
Pixel support is at 5 years now for security updates (only 3 years for major OS updates, unfortunately), which is still not as good as Apple in general, but is pretty good considering where they were just a few years ago.

Google isn't responsible for the support agreements Samsung, Motorola, etc. make with their suppliers.
Is someone stopping Canadians from consuming content created by Canadians?
Solar panels do not have an economic life of 20 years. After 20 years they are still producing 90% of their nameplate capacity. https://www.nrel.gov/state-local-tribal/blog/posts/stat-faqs...
Imagine how many terrific little robots and gadgets could be made from six-year-old iPhone motherboards and screens.

Imagine if Smart TVs just used old Samsung Galaxy boards instead of custom hardware? (yes I also prefer dumb teevees)

Could the Raspberry Pi even survive a market of rooted boards?
The researchers saw prior mention of 819. But Mayans, why did they choose 819?
Led by Bishop Diego De Landa, specifically.

>We found a large number of books in these characters and, as they contained nothing in which were not to be seen as superstition and lies of the devil, we burned them all, which they regretted to an amazing degree, and which caused them much affliction.

The same individual of whom it's been said

>ninety-nine percent of what we today know of the Mayas, we know as the result either of what Landa has told us in the pages that follow, or have learned in the use and study of what he told.

So yeah, scholarship of the Maya civilization is extraordinarily challenging.
I’ve always wondered what an sufficient explanation of a neural network would entail.

At a very low level, there’s no secret: all of the weights are there, all of the relationships between weights are known. The problem is that it doesn’t tell you anything about the emergent properties of the network, in the same way that quantum physics doesn’t give much insight into biology.

It may be possible that there is no English sentence you can utter about the network which is both explanatory and fully accurate. What is the network doing? It’s trying to approximate the function you’ve given it. That’s it.

You can try other things like ablation to find the effects of lobotomizing the network in certain ways, but this also can’t fully explain 2nd and higher order relationships.
Government is a reflection of people's votes in a democracy.

People think individually they know better than everyone else, so they vote for people who think that, too.

Leopards don't change their spots.

I doubt people are going to stop thinking they know better than everyone else any time soon. I hope so, but I doubt it.
Climate change has been the most important issue for the upcoming election for at least the past four decades. As real problems manifest themselves, we solve them.

And again, as I said earlier, this is in the context of humanity. Although I don’t want to undermine the death of someone, their death won’t stop the progress of humanity unless so many people die it resets our species. Even if we’ve never faced a particular problem as big as anything we experienced today, we’ve also never been so advanced and rich as a civilization.
I don't see why fractional reserve banking is the only way to lend.
It's absolutely wild to me that you think we can align an AGI if we can't even get it to reliably avoid swearing.

Of course prompt injection matters. Even for an AGI it matters because it's proof you can't align the system reliably at all in any direction.
I’m so confused. I always thought Germany was at the forefront of green technology and sustainable resource management. Was I mistaken all this time?
Don’t blame me. Still got a 6S.
Totally agree. I'm sick and tired of apps "helping me," constantly interrupting with tips, "did you know .." rearranging my windows and so on. I want to get stuff done not start a journey and relationship with new code. And nobody knows better than the user what stuff they wanna do.
Latest phones have the best cameras. Just because you are not a social/traveler/visual collector doesn't mean the rest of the world isn't.
Strangely, the 14th Amendment's original intent was to prevent forgiving debt, not prevent default.
Well to be pedantic there wouldn't be any agriculture found at those depths, unless we have prehistory very, very wrong. Which is possible, and one reason why it would be good to check!
Something like Lord Nibbler from Futurama.
Yes. But 600 meters? That seems very unlikely.
> The distinction between code and data is very real, and dates back to at least the original Harvard Architecture machine in 1944. Things like W^X and stack canaries have been around for decades too.

You are right in some sense, but wrong in another:

You can easily write an interpreter in a Harvard Architecture machine. You can even do it accidentally for an ad-hoc 'language'. An interpreter naturally treats data as code.

See eg https://gwern.net/turing-complete#security-implications
And let's not forget a significant part of the third world still either dumps ALL their trash into the jungle, which rains it into rivers and then into the sea. Or they burn it nightly in their gardens.

This includes places with serious income from tourism, such as Bali.
So you want UBI, with equity and growth? Who is going to pay for such generosity? And what are you doing to deserve it? TANSTAAFL.
I was diagnosed with RA a few years ago when my left knee kept swelling to the size of a grapefruit. It was incredibly painful; I have a very high pain tolerance and it put me in tears and made me bed ridden or on crutches for multiple days at a time.

Doctors were unable to find anything in the fluid of my knee and the only thing that seemed to work was corticosteroids. Prior to that I was given the diagnosis of pseudo-gout. I took methotrexate in my twenties and thirties for years, my hair fell out, and I couldn't drink. When I moved I went to reup my prescription at a Rheumatologist who ran a research clinic and as she went over my paperwork she looked in shock as she read through it and asked me, "Have you actually ever had site testing for RA or did they just look for markers?" Turns out, all they'd ever looked for was markers, tried methotrexate, and my symptoms stopped. Doctors at Baylor Scott & White thought that was good enough. At the time, I was told repeatedly that we know "a lot" about RA and that I could trust the diagnosis. I was slowly weened off of methotrexate and we waited to see if I would have a flare-up. The flare-up never came and she told me not to come back after telling me more or less what you've said here.

I also learned it's incredibly difficult to sue a doctor for a misdiagnosis, even if they put you on a drug like methotrexate and took years of normalcy from your life.
Wow, LA downtown huh. Interesting choice of location.
But that difference is a big part of why this matters. That this might be unfixable is not a strong argument for moving forward anyway, if anything it should prompt us to take a step backwards and consider if general intelligence systems are well suited for scalable tasks in the first place.

There are ways to build AIs that don't have these problems specifically because their intelligence is limited to a specific task and thus they don't have a bunch of additional attack vectors literally baked into them.

But the attitude from a lot of companies I'm seeing online is "this might be impossible to fix, so you can't expect us to hold off releasing just because it's vulnerable." I don't understand that. If this is genuinely impossible to fix, that has implications.

Because the whole point with AI is to make things that are scalable. It matters that the security be better than the non-scalable system. If it can't be better, then we need to take a step back and ask if LLMs are the right approach.
I'm gonna support your point. I'm not buying that 3x more phones were trashed as sold.

New cell phone sales are under 2B/year. Industry hoped they would continue rising after 2016, but they've plateaued around 1.8B. Of those about 200M are still flip/dumb phones. Ownership time (in the pipeline) is increasing not falling.

I don't believe 5.3B became waste unless many B people suddenly decided to do without (in 2022). That seems unlikely unless it just some random definition of watste. Sure there might even be (8-9 years of production) 16B phones laying around somewhere outside of landfill so why did they become get trashed in '22? Can we blame 3G?

https://www.sellcell.com/how-many-mobile-phones-are-sold-eac...
> This isn't really a comparable issue that comes up with employees who have particular religious beliefs

Ah yes, because we all know the famous bible verse "Thou shalt misgender transgender individuals because the lord thy god thinks they are icky".

There aren't religious beliefs around transgenderism, only bigotry using religion as a shroud. And, it's an old trick. We seen slave owners use religion to justify slavery. Religion was used to justify anti-miscegenation laws. It was used to "keep women in the home". It's been used to fight against gay rights.

You really want us to believe that a deity will punish some christian for referring to someone as "they" when they think they are a "him"?

If you've ever wondered why the young folk are leaving religion, this is it.
I think it’s too expensive to build a dam there
Yeah, but smoking makes you look cool.
It's not the user's fault if they're handed a power tool without training, but it's not the tool's fault either.
How is 5 years of security updates all that bad? Apple IIRC does around 7 years, and has the luxury of 100% control over their hardware and the firmware/software stack that runs on it.

I agree that 3 years of major OS upgrades is frustratingly short.

(Edit: See end of post for correction; following paragraphs are incorrect.)

But really, complain to Qualcomm. They're the ones who refuse to support their chipsets and keep moving on to the next new thing. It took years of negotiation for Google to even wring 5 years of security support out of them.

The only alternative is a new SoC vendor that can beat (or at least compete with) Qualcomm on price/performance/heat/power consumption. Good luck with that. For whatever reason, Samsung's Exynos seems to be constantly behind the competition, and Samsung even doesn't use it for all their phones. If Samsung can't do it, with all their resources, what chance does a new upstart have?

Really, I just wish, for the good of humanity, Apple would open up their chips to third-party buyers. Of course they never will, and I get why, but it's still frustrating.

Edit: didn't realize Google's Tensor was the main SoC for current-gen Pixels; for some reason I thought the Tensor chip was a co-processor paired with a Snapdragon. In that case: shame on Google for only offering 3 years of OS upgrades and 5 years of security upgrades, when they likely have the ability to do more.
The damus relay rate limits even if you have multiple keys
Lend money to India.... that they earned from Bitcoins‽ That's kind of a circular logic, isn't it?
There is a movement to teach students that the Earth is flat, too.
In megacap tech you can have VPs that are 4 levels down in the reporting hierarchy. What I meant though was around how headcount is requested. I've seen my share of empire builders and been told to file and pad out HC requests even when I stated we didn't need it.
This news aside, I think the world still associates Germany with engineering excellence so, to see them abandon nuclear power for political reasons comes as a shock.
Is it possible the German Green Party ends up destroying more of the environment than every other party would have?
Germany was bought by the Russians. There's no other logical way to explain what's happening IMO. Their decisions are worse than incompetence alone.
Show HN: I've built a spectrogram analyzer web app
An Antminer rig is nearly $20k. A Starlink setup is $600 then $50 a month. Plus any other capital costs. If the electricity is "free" just the rig and Starlink satellite cost will take over five years to pay off assuming the mining revenue is $10 a day.

Who is giving free money to remote African villages to buy Bitcoin mining rigs?

For reference a milk cow costs about $1500 and can produce 2,500 gallons of milk in a year. For the cost of the Bitcoin rig maybe getting $10 a day a village could buy about 13 milk cows. Even selling milk at $1 a gallon that's about $88 a day. The "free" power can be used to Pasteurize the milk (UHT) for extra longevity.

That same $20k could buy a room full of laptops plus networking equipment and Starlink. They could take online courses to learn a variety of technical jobs and then do contract work for way fucking more than the $10 a day they'd get from a Bitcoin rig.

Edit: fixed Antminer from autocowrong
Kind of, but nobody is that far with green technology unless they have hydro and they have a lot fewer resources than other countries.
Trailer park boys. Never forget.
> it had begun mining “a few years ago as one of the early entrants when the price of Bitcoin was around USD 5,000.”

The most important bit of evidence that nobody there knows what they're doing and that the crypto grifters have swindles an entire country's government.

"Early entrants" were mining in 2009/2010. Maybe even as late as 2012 or 2014 might count as an "early entrant" - around the first halving and when the difficulty jumped past 1.0E+6
Yeah, the amounts they're worried about are a few orders of magnitude larger than that. I don't think that's a compelling counter-example.

> If the Fed keeps trying to fix failed banks through indirect money printing (covering uninsured deposits by overpaying for treasuries/MBS)

Is this happening? The uninsured deposits are being covered by the FDIC insurance fund, which is funded by the banks. None of it is coming from the fed.
Bard vs. ChatGPT: Where did Google spend All the Money over the last 10 years?
One problem is that it's difficult to reuse these still very capable devices.

Sure there's postmarketos and others, but they only support few devices, and it requires a huge amount of work to add new ones.

Perhaps manufacturers should be forced to release at least the kernel and essential drivers source for obsolete devices, which would reduce the effort required to make them useful for other things.

And some other issues, like allowing them to still boot with no battery, broken screen, stuck buttons, etc.
> They extract deeply hidden patterns in large data sets that our limited human brains can’t parse.

I think that the bulk of ML has so far produced what our brains in fact easily see. We can easily perform classification, or generation.
How Genetically Similar Are We to Other Life Forms? (2021)
Hats off to you for being aware of the Marshall Protocol.