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> Lattes and cappuccinos were invented in Italy

This is a commonly held belief, I'm Italian and I would like to clarify a bit.

- I have worked at a bar (1) in Italy and more than 90% of the coffee drinks ordered during any given day were single shot espressos. Cappuccino orders however were not uncommon in the morning.

- Cappuccino was invented in Austria, however it was popularised in Italy and it still is very popular to this day. It is consumed only in the first half of the morning, for the rest of the day Italians prefer to drink exclusively espresso shots.

- The drink that is known in the Anglosphere as "latte" doesn't really exist in Italy except in some touristy areas, normally, if you ask for a "latte" in an Italian bar, they'll give you a glass of milk.

We have however two drinks that are similar to what you call "latte":

- Caffè latte, which is similar to the French café au lait but the coffee is made in a moka pot. This is usually consumed at home.

- In bars you can order a "latte macchiato" which is similar to what you call "latte" but the coffee is added at the end, on top of the milk, and it is much weaker than a latte (this is reflected by the name "latte macchiato" which means "stained milk" i.e. all milk with just a dash of coffee).

PS Latte macchiato is not to be confused with caffè macchiato which is what is known internationally simply as "macchiato" i.e. almost all coffee with just a dash of milk.

(1) An Italian "bar" roughly corresponds to what English speaking people refer to as "cafe" although it will also serve alcoholic drinks. Actual cafes are not popular in Italy and they are only found in touristy spots.
That’s...uh, surprising as hell. The idea of a designer that could actually tolerate having to use Windows full-time for design work, even at Microsoft; would be much more surprising, from my experience.
The fish will be dead from all the nitrogen run off.
Why shouldn't they make money for reporting local news?
As I said, there are more people in the world than you.

There are other opinions also.

I know it is hard to accept it.
Automated Design of Chiplets
What do you mean by the “PC” era? At least with PCs as the dominant computing platform we had files and programs separate from each other. Smartphones began the trend of app-bound data.
Nice! I've wanted this for years. Most recently, this last weekend, while watching a '90s broadcast TV episode.

I'm not epileptic, but I don't like to take chances with things like that. And, maybe a few times a year, I'm concerned because I see someone doing rapid flashing lights, and it seems irresponsible.
The answer in C would be it constrains ordering/packing of fields, so you'd end up with N public/private wrappers and generally a lot of line noise, but I have a vague recollection that zig reorders fields as it sees fit anyway making that a non-issue
Yes a recession should kill inflation as many lose jobs and can't spend. Thus the reason the FED is trying to force a recession.
Previous AI winters are due to overpromise and no delivery: Big promise of what AI can do, but never able to actually even deliver a prototype of that in reality.

ChatGPT, at least for GPT-4, can already be considered as someone coined, baby AGI. It is already practical and useful, so it HAS to be REAL.

If it is already REAL, there is no need for another winter to ever come to reap the heads of liars. Instead AI will become applied technology, like cars, like chips. It will evolve continuously, and never go away.
There are literally hundreds of laws around the world that require banks to monitor for, and report, money laundering. This has been true for decades.
I was wondering the same. The HN cheerleading for members of the tribe makes this place feel like a recipe blog. "Looks yum! Can't wait to tryy." 5 stars.
> cheap text data has been abundant

The winter before the AI winter will consist in all the cheap data disappearing. What fun will it be to write a blog post so that it can be scraped by a bot and regurgitated without attribution? Dito for code

Or, how will info sites survive without ad revenue? Last I checked bots don't consume ads

When the internet winter comes, all remaining sites will be behind login screens and a strict ToS popup
Rust lambdas are mostly equivalent to the stuff you don't name in Haskell.

(But well, you can certainly name them, as I've done that; I don't remember if you need to declare their type; and it is almost never useful.)
I remember when DVD Studio Pro came out, and the industry was supposed to go through a paradigm shift. I took a call at the DVD shop I worked at, and provided the requested quote to the person on the phone. They laughed out loud at the price and said that DVDSP was going to put my company out of business within a year. Multiple years later and several awards later, the company was still rocking and never once used DVDSP.

What we did do though is specialize in taking over jobs from people that could not complete a job in DVDSP and would come to us to save them. More than once, it would be from someone that called for a quote, didn't like the price, went some where else, and then came crawling back. The original quote was no longer valid as it was now considered a rush job.

It was a great tool for wedding videos /s

Any abstraction layer authoring tool removed half of the working space to hold the abstraction. This meant that projects that needed it were just impossible to do, and a lot of the people that only ever used DVSP didn't really know there were limitations until they ran head first into them.
People love talking about AI winter.
From my understanding, before being influenced by Hellenistic culture the Buddha was never represented in human form.
Wait until it's directed to hack into power grids!
James Hoffmann answered this with a modded aeropress with a pressure sensor: a typical aeropress brew is in the range of half a bar. The max he could achieve was 1.5 bars, but like he says, no one brews like that. He also found anything past 0.5 bars began to taste awful.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBXm8fCWdo8
And try to be frugal on the tags you make.

Component design is the enemy here. Just take a peak at the nav elements in many designs and see how embedded the divs go.
There’s an extension for Safari called Vinegar who does this, and due to how Safari works it works on both desktop and mobile!
I have had access to this type of data before commercially for purpose. It's useful for knowing "who" has established connections to "who", but at just an IP level. Powerful for combining with other analysis on either the sender or receiver. You won't know what they said, but you know what ports they used.

So if I see a sudden spike in IP addresses geocoded as being in the United States, and the destination is an unusual but specific port hosted in Belarus, it might be worth looking at a new C2 malware.
I agree, but note that we are talking about a benefit that accrues to the developer, not the user.
These 5k espresso machines (or a DYI project where you spend the equivalent in time) don't really make sense in a country where an average salary is 1.5k and the average coffee is 1.
yeah, we should just make all AI research illegal. I mean, without gate keeper the world will fall apart! Did you know that you can draw and write _anything_ with a pencil! We need to get onto that next. And the internet, you can publish anything you want on there!
Crypto is a $1T industry even with all the hate it gets on HN.
Sometimes unreliability can be worked around with human supervision. You wouldn't normally want to write a script that just chooses the first Google result, but that doesn't mean search engines aren't useful. The goal when improving a search engine is to put some good choices on the first page, not perfection, which isn't even well-defined.

The AI generators work similarly. They're like slot machines, literally built on random number generators. If you don't like the result, try again. When you get something you like, you keep it. There are diminishing returns to re-running the same query once you got a good result, because most results are likely to be worse than what you have.

Randomness can make games more fun at first. But I wonder how much of a grind it will be once the novelty wears off?
Same, anytime the family creates a new account that everyone else should have access to (utilities, streaming services, bank information, pass codes, etc) we just create it in the shared vault. It’s a game changer.
I would have said this exact thing two years ago. But Apple's since proven that they can make a good browser, if they try hard.
Production is only as hard as you make it.
This is why you should just bank with HSBC! ;-)
This seems quite unrelated to the rule that if you want to run a futures exchange for US customers, you need a license from the CFTC.
It may become a norm to write AI QAs instead of docs for projects. Maybe similar to sitemaps for web scrapers. But even this will not be necessary at some point.

Stack Overflow will degrade to single search box. And we'll all love it.
You cannot say that with any certainty. While GPT4 shows great promise it’s still not clear at all that the current architecture can keep scaling up. Presumably they’re already using all the data they have access to. So what’s left to improve performance? Changes in architecture, some of which could require significantly different hardware.
Exactly, peak employment in coal mining was 883K in 1923 [1]. That's less than 1% of the population at that time. Yet politicians still talk about bringing mining jobs back in 2023, 100 years later.

Imagine something with 10x the disruptive power.

[1]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coal_mining_in_the_United_St....
John Wick, James Bond, Jack Reacher: Why do all action heroes have J names?
i am genuinely curious, because I think CL could do some amazing things in the symbolic algebra/compiler space here. Tensorflow's AutoGrad and AutoGraph (and I think JAX maybe) had to do terrible things to the python bytecode interpreter to compile methods, and Theano only worked by overhauling the entire number tower and adding its own control flow.

If CL could become a frontend for XLA perhaps, then maybe we can go full circle and turn Torch back into the lisp project it originally started out as!
Even with or without data, every prediction is intuition. Data, if you need them, are the current events. But remember the quote 'Lies, damn lies and statistics'. It is the interpretation of the data that is what counts and that interpretation is partly subjective. Otherwise we would not be having this rather fierce but interesting conversation in the first place.
Al-Biruni was Central Asian/Khwarizmian (related to Persian), not Arab.
See how there's still zilch about the amazing PWAs on Android.

But sure, do tell me how it's "just my opinion".
The internet was well-established and its worth proven many times over before it was ever open to the public, so well before the hype cycle happened.
> people don't want to share their prompts because they don't want everyone to know how much the model carried them and how little any actual "prompt engineering" went into it.

Right. Because this whole "prompt engineering" is just another job title, not an applied science, and then again, prompts can and will be automated away.
Is that all they have to write about the enormous impact GPT is going to have on the American workforce? At least they acknowledge the negative impact GPT is about to have on Working Americans.
At the end of the day, getting a stable production environment is simply a tradeoff between the amount of complexity you need to make your infrastructure do what you want, and reducing complexity because it removes failure points from the production environment.

K8s is nice and all, but if all you really need can be solved by 2 VM's and a way to announce an anycast address (or use a loadbalancer if that is not an option), why would i add all that complexity?
It’s specifically a reaction to the American Library Association giving “Gender Queer” one of its top awards for the age 12-18 category. It revealed that the librarians teaching your kids are a lot more progressive about kids exploring their sexuality than even Obama-voting parents who support equal civil rights but still hold traditional beliefs about sex being shameful and something children should be protected from. That’s why republicans were able to leverage the issue in places like Florida and Virginia—places that often swing blue due to large Hispanic and Asian populations, who also happen to be pretty conservative on sexual issues.
> Why are russians punished for the sins of their government?

Because they are participating in this governance. Countries bear responsibility collectively for their actions. And yes, absolutely Americans should be held to the same standards.
Gasp! Yawn. HN has become so pearl-clutchingly alarmist recently. Everybody relax.

The solution to scams is to educate people on scams, as quickly as you can do so in the changing environment, by publishing information about what's possible with the latest technology. The solution is not to require onerous identity verification for every software product that could be used by scammers, because they'll just move to the next product that doesn't require it, or they'll simply provide fraudulent documents. Or you'll get "resellers" who provide their own fraudulent KYC documents and then sell access to their account to other criminals on the black market, making it even more difficult to monitor for abuse.

If you want a startup offering such tools to protect people from scams, they can do it by collecting data on what the tools are used for - it should be pretty obvious based on transcripts who is using it to scam people.
Alibaba Co-Founder Jack Ma Returns to China After a Year Away
Hoffmann measured this with a pressure sensor modded aeropress - most typical brews would not exceed half a bar.
https://secondmeasure.com/datapoints/rideshare-industry-over...
Absolutely agree. However, even then, what am I gonna do, go to the ONE other alternative in my neighborhood?
> they give very detailed instructions on how to check that they are using the software

It's not that detailed; it just says "there is a minio binary, and that's our minio". Okay, but what version is that? This is the crucial part, because Apache vs AGPL license makes a world of difference.

The Apache attribution requirement seems satisfied; perhaps not as prominently as minio would like, but there is no "prominence requirement". It fails to demonstrate any AGPL code is used, although according to some other comments the monio people have a unique and interesting interpretation of relicensing where they think they can retroactively relicense Apache code to AGPL. The claim that backporting any security fixes would trigger the AGPL is also suspect; typically many security fixes are simple in terms of code changed, and tend to be fairly easy to re-implement independently once you know the description of the problem. Either way, "it's likely that [..]" doesn't really demonstrate much of anything and is certainly not "very detailed".

In short, the minio post is vague and full of assumptions; even without this rebuttal I wouldn't put too much stock in it as it seems borderline FUD.
Been noticing the same. There's this very unique flavor of comment, happening even on HN, where people downplay the level of impact of AI/MI/ML (whatever you're more comfortable with) not whether or not it will have any impact at all.

Mind you, there are always a variety of possibilities that people see, that is true, but this unique flavor of comment is unique because I haven't seen it expressed before. Not during crypto (as others are bringing it up).

It feels like there's a much more serious... insecurity? Maybe that's too aggressive of a word, but it's one that describes how this downplaying partially is rooted in this idea of a replacement, and lack of job security, and an uncertainty about what you should be spending your time on. All of this is so unique, nobody was feeling this way during crypto, not a single person. If you hated crypto, you were hating it because it sounds redundant, the "fans" were annoying, the environmental impact, etc - not a single one of these reasons came from this assumption that crypto will be the new norm.

So I think that's what a lot of the other comments are missing right now. The downplaying feels totally different now. As if even the people who are downplaying realize what's happening, but don't want it to be true.

I did like this blog post though, outside of what we're talking about.
The HN community saved my life ten years ago. Now I need more help
A decade ago I was going to kill myself then what was essentially my suicide note went viral(ish) after I submitted it to HN (if u want to read the cringey post https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5252054 https://archive.fighttheurgetofade.com). This lead to a lot of support, connections, and friendships, which ultimately have helped keep me going for a decade.

While my mental health has continued to improve over the decade (through lots of therapy and work) I have never managed to get out of the poverty hole I was stuck in a decade ago. At times I have come close, but I never seem to get my life on track long enough to maintain it. It has been exhausting. Unfortunately I have started to accumulate health issues (like bad teeth) that is making escaping poverty even more daunting than it was before. I am hoping some wealthy members of HN might feel generous and want to give me an extra bit of help.
I see some pretty weird stuff on my M1 MacBook when toggling between extreme contrast ranges.

Some days I wish I lived on the other side of whatever bell curve they use to determine how obnoxious time-domain techniques are permitted to be for humans.
Because those with J names are just cool and good-looking.
We are all ready using GPT 4 for a ton of BS documents we have to write for our planning permission and other semi legal paper work.

My lawyer has been doing pretty much every public filing for civil cases and licenses assisted by GPT. So much bureaucracy could probably be removed by just having GPT validated permissions and manage the correctness of the submissions leaving a human to rubber stamp the final result if at all.
Have AdGuard for Safari and see no YouTube ads (or anywhere else).
I thought Musk was supposed to open source it himself a long time ago?
I disagree. All of the big players have been involved in some way, creating their own systems (which are quite competitive) as well as laying much of the foundation for existing models with research they published.
I'm excited for home assistant's voice efforts these years. Packaging speech and an assistant into open source hobby electronics could be incredibly powerful.

https://www.home-assistant.io/blog/2022/12/20/year-of-voice/
> Others see photographic equipment as a tool for art, they don't care about what they have in their hands, as long as it is in their hands when they need it to.

As a cinematographer/photographer…ehhhh yes and no. I care a lot what I’m using because it controls what I can capture. I’m fine using a $300 canon rebel or a $30k red package with Cooke glass. But I definitely care which I’m using depending on the objective of my work. I need to know - and again I care - what sensor and codec I’m using, because it has a big impact on how and what I can shoot. There are some things a cheap rebel with a cheap kit lens simply won’t let me do.

Being a “technician” or an “artist” is hardly so stark. You have to be both to be good at your craft. It’s a tool, but one that I have to understand the capabilities and limitations, both of which I need to weigh when planning my “art.” Just as a painter needs to choose their paints and brushes.
I think the view transitions API will be good, but it's currently only available for Chromium browsers so it is not really a competitor to SPAs for the time being. I'm also kind of opposed to really broad generalizations like this since what is most effective currently kind of depends on what you're building. A calculator built as an MPA would be kind of ridiculous.
> But Apple's since proven that they can make a good browser, if they try hard.

It was a good browser two years ago, and it still is a good browser.

Pushing every Chrome-only non-standard API does not a good browser make.
Making Tanstack Table 1000x faster with a 1 line change
Pretty cool, however I’m disappointed to see no mention it’s exactly the same hardware as the MSX1.

Also, the VDP pins output Component YPbPr. These could be used (almost directly) with a compatible TV.
By repotting I take it you mean reposting. Noting someone else's original content and fluffing it up is sort of fine. Provided the fluffing involves original investigation then all OK but I doubt this is.

The original source is generally the best source to quote, not an aggregator.
> But this time the eating (usage) of the AI pudding already has the proof partly established.

I don't know, I don't see it this way. Bitcoin at the very beginning was an impressive piece of technology (still is), but it clearly did more harm than good.

Autonomous cars had some very impressive demos, and don't seem to have evolved much in a few years (it's impressive, but not good enough).

AI is making very impressive demos now, but it's not changing the world (what seems to work really well right now is to generate convincing disinformation at scale, which is not good).

To me it's all the same: impressive demo, but what matters is not the first 80%, it's the last 20. Everyone seems to be building infrastructure around what AI will become. Just like people built entire companies betting on the fact that cryptocurrencies would become global (they have not), or that blockchain would be useful outside from cryptocurrencies (it is not). Or like people built entire companies around "the new world with autonomous vehicles".
some days...
Do you really think the people asking ChatGPT to write their code can make that abstraction?

The fact that the can't do this is the whole reason they have to use ChatGPT.
In the last two years or so there have been a number of thing I’ve watched (sorry don’t remember specifics) where I actively looked away because the flashing was just uncomfortable to watch. I explicitly remember thinking “I guess this proves I don’t have photosensitive epilepsy.”

There’s a good chance I will turn this on just for comfort.
Graduate courses in philosophy at a top-tier department was where I learned it, lol. If you're interested, I can't recommend Cora Diamond's and James Conant's works on Wittgenstein enough (and "the resolute reading" in general). And would also strongly suggest not listening too closely to any modern author who thinks Russel understood Wittgenstein at any point (Wittgenstein certainly _never_ thought so).
I disagree that production is hard in itself, I think the way people approach production makes it needlessly more difficult. It seems that when launching a service, everyone seems to try to get the entire stack in one shot, which is difficult.

A much better approach is "1. Make it work 2. Make it good 3. Make it fast". Your initial prototypes need to define the core functionality, and then you incrementally build stuff on top of that.
All this stuff can't transform anything if you can't afford to keep the computer on. Which is really, to me, the bigger/most convincing point in the thread this article links at the top.

If there isn't a winter, will ChatGPT et al be able solve the energy crises they might be implicated in? Is there something in its magic text completion that can stop global warming? Coming famines?

Is perhaps the fixation on these LLMs right now, however smart and full of Reason they are, not paying the fullest attention to the existential threats of our meat world, and how they might interfere with what ever speculative dystopia/utopia we can imagine at the moment?
ChatGPT works seamlessly with photos and files, enabling numerous new use cases