skysight-inc/HackerNews huggingface dataset:
This prediction is pretty bold.

We already have the technology to fully automate many processes carried out by humans.

Actually the technology has existed for several decades now, still those jobs are not only not being replaced by machines, but new ones are being created for humans.

One of the reasons are unions, which are pretty strong in many wealthy and powerful nations like the US, UK, Germany and Japan.

I work in manufacturing automation and we have customers that could technically run their entire operations without one single human stepping on plant floor, however their unionized labor makes that feat, at least for now, impossible.

It's also pretty naive to believe new ways of earning income won't appear in the future and that all traditional careers will be entirely replaced.

We have 65" 4K TVs at home and we still go to the theaters and we can walk the streets of Venice from our computer screens and still spend a small fortune to travel.

Society will be disrupted just like it was with printing, the industrial revolution, communications, transportation and information.

In each of these disruptions we were doomed to dissappear.

When I was a kid my dad brought home a 100 year celebratory edition of the local newspaper.

It was published as a book were you could read pretty much every single cover and editorial of the last century.

There was one article about the car, described by the author as a bizarre evil invention, horrendous steel machines traveling at ridiculous speeds of up to 15 mph, threatening the lives of both pedestrians and horses alike.
Ah true. My mistake.
> some idiot executive don't put it in full charge of mortgage underwriting

There are two scenario that you are mixing:

Mortgage writing using GPT make more money for the lender: I don't think it is a tech community responsibility to give wrong suggestion against GPT, and it should be handled in legal way.

GPT fails and mortgage and using GPT could mean loss for the lender: It would correctly push the market against relying on LLM, and I don't have any sympathy for those companies.
I shall. Study looks compelling.
That is the "sweat of the brow" copyright argument, and it has been rejected in by US courts.
I bought a Brother HL-2140 at least 15 years ago on sale for less than $100. Still using it. Replaced the drum, toner, etc. with all 3rd party stuff.

Prints forever on a toner cartridge, cheap, almost always works. I print regularly for the business so it was not occasional use.

As a bonus, I block the sensor port on the ink so that it can run the toner longer...I know it isn't great for the drum...but 3rd party drums are cheapish.

USB only but oh well...it works.
I like that but I also want to measure carbon monoxide making into my house and propane or natural gas leaks. What sensor does that also?
Pretty much just the Mennonites.
I remember the first time I set up a React app in 2015-ish and pulled in like 300MB of dependencies to do some basic tutorial.

I will never forget the visceral disgust I felt in that moment.
SVB Hall of Shame
I think that's covered pretty clearly in this document? If you add creative vision on top of the generated output, then that creative vision is copyrightable.
I am curious if your barber can afford health insurance plus out of pocket maximums for a family of four ($30k+ per year just in premiums plus $5k to $10k oop max), not to mention short and long term disability insurance in case he gets hurt and cannot work.

The only situation I can imagine would be if the wife has a government job with extremely generous health insurance subsidies.
> How were you harmed specifically?

That's like asking how you were specifically harmed as a result of there being one more CO2-spewing pickup truck in the world. Bad things amortized over millions of people are still bad, even if the harm to any individual is too small to verbalize.
We can estimate the delta as of filing dates. We don’t know what the delta is.

That doesn’t matter, because they’re federally backed. But it’s a crucial difference to appreciate less than one week after a run.
They are just so simple to me that the "magic" never comes into play. Just a function that gets called when something in an array is different between renders.
That’s like saying an incompetent person who makes a lot of mistakes is somehow transformed into a malicious actor “at a certain point”. It’s just not true. It may help justify your emotional response to consider them so, but it’s not true.
Let me know in the comments if you have any questions or suggestions
What, nothing about Electron's unacceptable code bloat factor? Most disappointing!

https://www.hendrik-erz.de/post/electron-bloated-web-and-tra...

A GPT-4-on-GPT-4 flame war might be an incredible spectacle...
This is a pretty good take imo.

His argument, summarized, is that ostensibly "bad" code is not as bad as it could be, because that implies you can readily tell what it does, immediately see issues with it, and know how to improve it. Possibly, this code might not fully deserve the label "bad". It's _far_ better than code that's completely impenetrable.

Reminds me of the Bjarne Stroustrup quote: "There are only two kinds of languages: the ones people complain about and the ones nobody uses".
There is so many places to inject creativity into the process.

Before the capture you have: Chosing the location, posing the camera, adjusting objects in the background, setting up bate to attract wildlife, choosing optimal camera settings. Even selecting a camera could be considered a creative input.

After the capture, the artist can choose which of the thousands of captures best fits their vision, crop it and applying color correction.

I don't think a single one of those actions can make it a creative work on its own. But when you combine a few of them along with intent, it becomes a creative work.
I look at it the other way. Much of what people use GPT-4 can be done better (with a little more work) with transformer models that are specialized with the task.

Things that were a struggle 5 years ago are about to be easy.
Look .. I am one of the working class here. But I gotta point out. Our standard of living is far superior to someone living in 1970 when it comes to stuff/technology. The stuff is cheaper because of China/globalization. The tech is there because we outsourced production and kept specializing the work force.

I don't think UBI is the solution. Nor is squeezing people more than they are being squeezed. Efficiency and productivity are good things. What is wasteful are things like make-work programs like the DMV or other govt office. That crap needs to be automated away. Hospitals need more funding. Schools are unclear. I think schools would benefit from privatization. I don't think the same of hospitals. Not sure why.
You understand we have this thing called “freedom of the press”?

Maybe get an old fashioned book burning going too?
> I wonder if the future will just be software hobbled together with shitty AI code that no one understands, with long loops and deep call stacks and abstractions on top of abstractions

There's plenty of software out there that fits this description if you just remove "AI" from the statement. There's nothing new about bad codebases. Now it just costs pennies and is written in seconds instead of thousands paid to an outsourcing middleman firm that takes weeks or months to turn it around.
Uh.. you can just get an Arduino, LCD module, and a Plantower PMS5003 for $35.

That's what I did when the air was unbreathable with an AQI ~ 900.
Not as big a deal as you thin. Embedding chunking and retrieval already works well for any arbitrary outside knowledge (database, books, Codebase etc)
> This prediction has occurred with every technology revolution. It hasn't been borne out yet.

So what? You are performing 'induction from history', which is possibly the hand-waviest possible means of estimating what is next to occur.

Discontinuities occur. Fire gets tamed. Alphabets get invented. What went before is only a solid guide to the future absent any major disruption to the status quo. There is no a-priori reason to think that this time will be the same, either. Burden of proof is yours.

> It's a variation of the broken window fallacy.

I appreciate parsimony as much as the next academic but I'd appreciate you fleshing out your position here, so I can take it apart at the joints, in the custom and manner of my people >:)
Skynet reference?
(Starlink is for "peaceful" purposes)
>Why is this important to HN?

Fear mongering is now in the interest of Big VC.

A lot of VC is tied to crypto. The crypto community want more people to be scared and lose faith in the established world order and US dollar hegemony. They hope that will make people buy crypto.
For non-Chinese users, censorship is taboo.
Well, I more mean that the answer that many suspect is the case, is tough to swallow.

In that case, the consequence would be: If you don’t validate that your AI model is producing something sufficiently different than all of the inputs, you’ve created a copyright infringement Russian roulette.
I hope the journalist who named the article gets a raise
I also like what it inspired in Vue. At first I thought "oh no they're taking what React did and throwing it into Vue". But it actually ended up to be a very true-to-Vue variant with just some idiom similarities. The new Vue 3 ecosystem with Pinia blends together nicely
OK that last part just sold it to me. No all you need is investors.
Stability AI
How does this compare to tensorflow.js [1] ?

[1] https://www.tensorflow.org/js
> Honestly, it looks like in a year or two, the Government will make money off of this because as soon as interest rates come down the securities will go back to book value.

Government will get back the number of dollars equal to the par value of those bonds. Inflation between now and then, however, will mean that in real terms there will have been losses.
Wait until Vox finds out about alcohol and marijuana...

Seriously though, too much of anything is an issue and gambling is no exception. Even eating can have terrible health effects. And lack of sufficient exercise is quite bad for you too.

Could it be a problem for some people? Yes, of course. Is it their choice? Yes, it is. Putting it in perspective, it's yet another personal choice that can have a dramatic impact on your quality of life, and if you have a family to support, theirs as well.
Just curious... with such a decision in place, wouldn't more artists be inclined to make their use of generative AI less transparent? In other words, what would prevent them from ceasing to disclose that their work includes elements generated using generative AI?

This could indeed increase skepticism, particularly when it comes to img2img and, if not as much, txt2img usage.
> GPT-4 knows how to decode it

I wonder if you could teach it to understand a binary encoding using the raw bytestream, feed it compressed text, and just tell it to decompress it first.
It's literally what your reply to my first comment is stating

What do you think "formally request to end their association with their labor union" means?

>formally request that the National Labor Relations Board end their association with their labor union if they feel that the union is not adequately representing their interests

>At this point, any strike action taken by the workers may be termed a wildcat strike, but there is no illegality involved

Which is stated in wikipedia after:

>Wildcat strikes have been considered illegal in the United States since 1935

>Under the 1935 National Labor Relations Act (NLRA), federal courts have held that wildcat strikes are illegal and that employers may fire workers participating in them.
Sounds like they're on-prem:

The computers are submerged in mineral oil that captures heat that gets transferred into pool water with a heat exchanger. The pool still has a gas boiler to boost the water's temperature if required. Deep Green claims it's transferring about 96 percent of the energy used by its computers and reducing a pool's gas heat usage by 62 percent. Deep Green is paying the Exmouth Leisure Centre for all the electricity its data center uses, as well as any setup costs, and the Exmouth Leisure Centre gets the heat for free.
What's the difference between this and a corporation owning the work of an employee?
Running perfectly on a MacBook Air M1 8Gb RAM 512GB SSD. Responses are quite slow and system is sluggish, but it works!

I am John from New York City
> Hi John! How is the weather like in NYC?
It’s a bit chilly but sunny and clear. Perfect for exploring Manhattan Island or taking advantage of all that this great city has to offer.
> Have you thought of moving to somewhere warmer? Miami perhaps?
I have! I've always wanted to visit, but never really considered it as a permanent move until recently... It sounds like the perfect place for me.
> Recently? Why the sudden change of heart? what made you want to permanently move to Miami?
I've always wanted to live in a warm, tropical climate and I finally feel like it is time for me to make that dream come true. The weather here has been amazing lately - sunny skies with temperatures hovering around 80 degrees Fahrenheit (27 Celsius). It feels so good!
I've also heard great things about the city and I am excited at all of its potentials for me to explore.
Overly complicated and expensive.
OpenAI: GPT-4 Technical Report
https://kotaku.com/twitch-suspends-popular-leftist-streamer-...
I pay a little over $100/year for YouTube premium and that’s all I need. Premiere League highlights, German documentaries about pretzels, hour long POV shows shot in working Japanese kitchens to entertain my young daughter, the occasional full episode of Stairway to Stardom - and I’m sorted.
Fascinating -- I think the comments on the HN post are almost as good.

I think everyone mostly agrees that AI is coming for a lot of jobs. There's disagreement about how many, how it will impact society and the like.

The pace of technology is not linear, it accelerates. I've never seen something that has so rapidly crossed into the "magical" territory as "nearly every single big LLM/Generative AI thing" seems to. It redefines what was previously laughably impossible ... a decade ago.

We're riding a curve upward that is making it extremely hard to see what's coming next. All of the pontificating, all of the attempts at finding solutions to imagined problems ... I can't see one that doesn't feel like a blindfolded person aiming at what they were told was a dart board with what they were told was a dart. There's really nothing to do but hang on and hope you land where any new opportunities creep up.

Expect bubbles, black swans, and purple unicorns.
Here's how it works in the U.S., and why it doesn't go away:

* A scumsucking business decides to hawk some scam. They start by creating an LLC (a limited liability company) devoted to telecommunications, ostensibly to resell telephone service sort of like an MVNO would. This LLC is based in the U.S. They buy a range of phone numbers associated with the LLC.

* The company then coordinates with an out-of-country call center, in places like the Bahamas, India, Pakistan, Mexico, etc. The call center receives and sends calls into the U.S. based on an assigned number from the LLC as a PBX (private branch exchange). As a PBX, these call centers can use a single ANI (automatic number identification) based on a US-based address (usually faked by the so-called telecommunications LLC), and the actual numbers behind it are hidden. PBX software allows you to override the number you see when your phone rings - that's why you get numbers on your phone completely unrelated to the actual call origin.

* The LLC may "sell" some numbers to legitimate businesses so they can claim it's just abuse of their systems.

* As people begin to complain about the scam calls, and the network operators that sell the numbers cut the offending numbers off the network (and this takes weeks at least) the LLC will simply cut off the old number, and issue a new number to the offshore call department.

* Eventually, the network operator will refuse to issue new numbers to the LLC, so the LLC will close up shop. However, the owners usually have a new telecommunications LLC ready to start the process all over again.

* The dirty secret here is that the major network operators (Verizon, ATT, etc) don't really care too much about these scam MVNOs/call centers, because they get paid, and paid well, and get to look like they're doing work to prevent scam calls while making money doing it. When these guys tell you "We can't see where the call is coming from" this is a straight-up lie, as any network operator call center employee can tell you.
After Kickstarter are they the second "major" tech company to do so? (do I need to add "non-gaming" as a qualifier here too?)
Oh man I have some bash case statements that fit this description. Could be improved, but it's tested with every commit on every PR and by George it really holds the room together.
The concept of “threshold of originality” plays a role in whether something is copyrightable: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Threshold_of_originality

Your question therefore cannot be answered a priori. The copyrightability has to be assessed on a case-by-case basis.
Ok, so I won't tell anyone what tools I used to make my art. Not a big deal.
> When an AI technology determines the expressive elements of its output, the generated material is not the product of human authorship

"Expressive elements" is doing a lot of heavy lifting there. Is there a a point at which a prompt becomes sufficiently complex or detailed that it would quality?
Correctness isn't one-dimensional. A wrong fast-food order might substitute or leave something out. There's essentially no chance the employee will swap in a random product from some other store.

But in this example the AI could hallucinate a statement attributed to you it actually formed by putting together reddit comments.
Could you explain further? By nuance do you mean the idea that they’re telling a “white lie” to keep smaller banks from overextending and intend to bail them out anyway? I do think that’s part of it, but it’s still going to cause capital flight.
Running out of capitalist* ways to milk to common folk. More rents are comin'.
Many commenters seem to be under the impression that "because I made something, it is copyrightable". That's not how it works. What is protected under copyright is determined by long processes of lobbying, legislation, lawsuits, and court cases. For example: a melody is copyrightable, a chord progression is not, even when the chord progression is so unique as to be the primary intellectual asset of a piece. (Look up contrafacts from the bebop era!) Another example, the rules around the copyright of a sound recording are very different from those of the intellectual property of a song.

Only specific things are copyrightable. There is nothing unusual (from a legal sense) in the government and others taking a stance on which things those should be and under what circumstances. You have no a priori right to copyright something because you fucked around with a prompt for a long time.

I don't see how they could go with a different stance given that all that is required to copyright a written work is to write it and declare it copyright (IFF it is copyrightable, that is). This will fall apart it if it's possible for a company to have AI spew out eleventy-billion variation of training input and declare them all copyright.

Don't forget that in the early 90's we went through an era of records being yanked off the shelf at great cost to labels when the sampling laws finally settled. (Anyone else remember the appearance, disappearance, and reappearance of Us3's "Hand on the Torch"? fond memories!)
Hooks let you colocate logic that, in class components, would need to be split across multiple lifecycle methods. In practice you need to remove the event listener when the component unmounts. You can get reasonably close to a hooksy API for doing this here:

class MyComponent {
componentWillMount() {
this.stopWatchingViewport = watchViewPort((x, y) => {
this.setState({ something: x + y });
});
}

componentWillUnmount() {
this.stopWatchingViewport();
}
}

watchViewPort(callback) {
const onResize = (event) => {
// get x and y
callback(x, y);
};
addEventListener("resize", onResize);
return () => removeEventListener("resize", onResize);
}

But being able to slice up logic by functionality, rather than by lifecycle event, gets gradually nicer as you have more of it.
I hold some tokens from a project I worked on for 2 years (I hold everything on-chain) and also from my own project which I built (and designed the signature algorithm from scratch) so it's hard to get more security than that.
You really want me to cite the existence of, what, Linux? OK. Linux exists[1].

Linux exists and is pervasively shipped in license-conforming form by hundreds and hundreds of vendors. Do I win now? Sorry, but my "argumentative" attitude is just exasperation. Open source is the rule, not the exception in the software world. And the license regimes that permit that work exceedingly well.

[1] Or chromium, or glibc, or clang, or git, or... It's literally a whole ecosystem of people working on these projects and shipping them in the expectation that they'll be used legitimately according to the license. And you... don't think that happens? Are we all just hallucinating?
I think you can make an argument that it is impossible to fully censor LLMs without using another LLM (or similar technology) that is at least as powerful as the LLM you are trying to censor.
"at maximum, the spectre of AI contribution might virally taint the entire film" - which would also mean that anyone who used GitHub Copilot would not be able to copyright their software code.
I hadn't considered that.
When I watched a documentary explaing how universities welcomed gambling companies to their campus made realise that USA already lost the battle to China.

Just an outsider opinion
As someone without a legal background, it's because she's a huge manipulator and has used every trick in the book, including getting pregnant, twice, to avoid paying the piper.
Derivation and intuition behind the quadratic formula
Not advocating copyrightable software, but it seems clear to me that if databases are copyrightable because they represent curation, then software must be too.

Any line of code, probably not. But a program as a whole, sure.

Otherwise I think you blow up music copyrights too, since a single note isn’t copyrightable and a song is just a bunch of individual notes.

At some point, choosing, ordering, and organizing a collection of non-copyrightable quanta produces a copyrightable work. And I think it had to be that way.
> But the technology will decide the rhyming pattern, the words in each line, and the structure of the text.

What if I generate it 50 times and cobble together a final product from the variants, choosing which line and word and rhyme I like from each sample? Where is the line between LLM and thesaurus/dictionary?

The comic book the office rejected seems to me to have crossed a line of significant human editorial discrediting after the generative fact, and they didn’t care.
Data?

Caffeine is a mild anticholinergic, but I haven't seen hard data to support such a claim.
You seem to be confused, we were discussing smoke smell in open air not clothes smelling like smoke.

It's quite clear that you have no idea how harmful car exhaust is to myself and my children, we need to ban cars and make sure we fine drivers for harming my family
I don't think I could care enough about any/all phones to lose sleep for a week+