skysight-inc/HackerNews huggingface dataset:
I don't see that this follows. It doesn't seem materially different than knowing that U always follows Q, and that J is always followed by a vowel in "legal" English language words.

https://content.wolfram.com/uploads/sites/43/2023/02/sw02142... from https://writings.stephenwolfram.com/2023/02/what-is-chatgpt-...

I imagine it's technically possible to do this in a piecewise manner that doesn't "understand" the larger board. This could theoretically be done with number lines, and not a geometry (i.e. the 8x8 grid and current state of each square mentioned in the comment you replied to). It could also be done in a piecewise manner with three ternary numbers (e.g. 1,0,-1) for each 3 square sets.

I guess this is a kind of geometric representation on the order of Shannon's Theseus.
But here's the question. If these tools make existing devs 10x more productive, why bother hiring new people in the field?
I canceled my sub months ago after getting completely fed up with the Linux CLI client spamming ad-like output trying to push some new feature after running any sort of command. Definitely coulda come up with a bash alias to scrub it out, but despite really liking Nord’s features otherwise, I didn’t want to play whack-a-mole with a closed source client or suffer the slowness/pain of going the OpenVPN route.

This is EXACTLY the right signal to bring myself (and presumably many other people in the same boat) back as happy customers. Sorry you’re dealing with unhinged conspiracy theories in this thread… but I think in the long run, this open sourcing will go a long way towards shoring up your customer base and keeping power users happy. Great work and TYVM!
To be clear, the power I'm talking about is about controlling people. There can be peace without needing to hold power against other people... unless they are the ones wanting the power. So for example, self-defense is not about power.

> Even freedom itself can be defined as the degree to which one has power or not.

That sounds like "power" in ability, as in to do something, which is not the same as the "power" used in Critical Theories and other political ideologies. Freedom is not about power, and is defined in contrast to power. You want freedom from something that is controlling you, or has power over you.
Architecturally AMQP is just bigger brother of MQTT, to the point some queue brokers (like RabbitMQ) can accept both.

MQTT 5 made difference smaller too.
Are software engineers going to go the way of human “computers”?

I know GPT-4 won’t put us all out of work, but I worry that something could in a number of decades I can count on one hand. Of course, it would be gradual.

I am excited, disappointed, and as a young person who hopes to be a SWE for a long time, somewhat afraid.

Then again, it could be argued that this merely means GPT4 is a compiler…
What portion of the code do you feed it as an input?
I think you're mixing up someone who's decided to use an ORM rather than some hodgepodge of string concatenation with someone who has no idea what a database is, is unable to set it up effectively, and is unable for some reason to debug the sql emitted by ORM queries or use their ORM at all effectively to avoid N+1 problems. Not really a fair comparison.
Definitely! Happy to try it if you have a prompt.
Not true.

You used evolution, too. The structure of your brain growth is the result of complex DNA instructions that have been mutated and those mutations filtered over billions of iterations of competition.

There are some patterns of thought that are inherent to that structure, and not the result of your own lived experience.

For example, you would probably dislike pain with similar responses to your original pain experience; and also similar to my lived pain experiences. Surely, there are some foundational patterns that define our interactions with language.
I remember it came out at the same time as GitHub copilot and a lot of people here said we might need to confront the idea that some development roles may not be long for this earth.
SV pissed when Thiel's scummery affects them. So sad for them.

Funny enough, much as I detest the guy, I think the hate directed at him for this is pure cognitive dissonance and refusal to see the bigger picture+problem.
>- Buzzfeed slashing staff and replacing them with chatgpt = ethical harm

yeah but in buzzfeed's case it's a bit moot because their content can't possibly get any worse than it already is.
It definitely should be able to. Any example you would like me to try. Put in an issue and we will do it.
My Ubuntu system is in an unworkable state. Snap is broken, Apt is stuck. Can GPT-4 fix it?
My guess is that even though it's mandatory, it legally counts as a donation for tax deduction purposes.
You're comparing a 5W CPU to an entire SoM that only draws 2W. Just making that switch cuts battery life to a little over an hour in this device.

You're also comparing a SiFive product whose documentation is mostly "this document will be updated soon" to a product that comes with complete schematics and all the documentation you could ask for.

I don't think you understand the design considerations at play here.
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That is how slaughterhouses work, at least in the US. Poor migrate workers get to work on the killing floor for low wages and dangerous work. Keeps it out of sight and minds of the more affluent people that eat those animals.
I imagine openai will offer self hosted versions of this at some point for enterprises.
> In the medium to long term, this will motivate China to build the capacity it needs. It might ever exactly be cutting edge, but I'm sure they'll get close enough that it won't matter too much.

which says to me, that the export bans is a failure in policy then.

The cost of the export ban is a drop in business value for all the companies being banned (and without compensation by the US gov't afaict). The ban isn't really going to prevent china from getting close-to-cutting-edge chips for military applications either. So the ban, and the associated costs, is for what exactly?!
I wondered that as well. One hypothesis from the article: "according to Lena C. Edlund, a Columbia University economist... One reason young women in the prime marriage years - the 25-44 age range - flock to big cities is to compete for the most eligible men. And smart women who gravitate to vibrant cities are more likely to stay single - for longer, at least - because they rightly refuse to settle for someone who can't keep up with them intellectually or otherwise."

And later, talking about the West: "As numerous studies of migration show, men - especially those in regions with declining economies - are initially more likely to move long distances for economic opportunity, while women are more likely to stay closer to home and family."

Admittedly these explanations don't make complete sense to me, though, and I'm suspicious of the phenomenon in general.
Honestly at this point I am just looking forward to us taking this stuff for granted. Its all very nice and useful, but I think my threshold for guffawing at it is smaller than most.

I know we still got some time left in the cycle, but I just want people to calm down and just start using it.

Yes, cool, you did xyz all at once, but what did you make with it? It's kinda akin to the whole "using rust" phenomenon. I only marginally care that you made it in rust, I care more about the thing itself you made!

I don't wanna come off sounding prescriptive, certainly stay in the hype world as long as you want, and I know there was a new bigger and better model that came out less than 12hrs ago. But just personally I am looking forward to the inevitable future where how you made the thing stops being as or more important as the what. Just miss the sense of inspiration you can gleam from someone else's work. Don't think AI will obsolete that ever, however much it can obsolete boilerplate code and even tricky discrete problems.
What is the cost per day to use GPT-4 to code vs paying a developer?
Obligatory link to Borges' story (paragraph) about the map versus the terrain:

https://genius.com/Jorge-luis-borges-on-exactitude-in-scienc...
Is it? According to OpenAI's paper

GPT-4 GPT-4 (no vision) GPT-3.5
Leetcode (easy) 31 / 41 31 / 41 12 / 41
Leetcode (medium) 21 / 80 21 / 80 8 / 80
Leetcode (hard) 3 / 45 3 / 45 0 / 45

https://cdn.openai.com/papers/gpt-4.pdf Table 1; page 5.

So it's better than GPT-3.5, but still pretty pathetic at hard Leetcode problems. If your programming job is closer to leetcode easy problems you might be in trouble, but for the real problems that aren't just gluing some libraries together your job is safe.
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I'd like to start writing something based on GPT to build web scrapers, probably on top of Colly and Gorm. Is there a good resource for learning how to feed external data into GPT?
Looks amazing and getting a sense for their pricing... ChatGPT API pricing is insane and enables so much... Was really hoping we'd see another factor of 10 reduction in price - however wishful that was... In light of this it makes sense that they'll have. GPT4.5 and maybe it'll be 10x cheaper... followed by GPT 5 and it'll be 10 X pricer... at least hopefully this is the way forward...
...it does really well... As in "ready to commit" or leaving the hard part (review of correctness) to developer?
Let’s play this out. A company fires all the SE’s and GPT-4 takes over their place.

Who will be there to ask the right questions? Middle management?

Who can validate it spit out what you actually want? Project managers?

Who will determine what questions to ask GPT-4? Product owners?

Who will decide what type of tech (language etc…) to ask GPT-4 to write? College grads turned into corporate GPT-4 pushers?

Who will be able to determine business logic based on prior experience? GPT-4?

IMHO, a lot of the hard work for an SE is not the actual coding.
I remember it being vastly overhyped about how artists were now obsolete, but it really hasn't happened. People have quickly became very attuned to the "AI art style"--humans are excellent at pattern recognition, after all--and if anything, it's made people appreciate how important an artists' individual style and attention to detail is.
Thanks! Appreciate it. I will reach out to try it for fun, but don't think my employer will be down with using it on our actual code.
It’s so, so fascinating how distorted some folks’ views on money are on HN. There’s also a guy who pops in threads like this and insists that $250k in the Bay Area is “basically poverty.” It only becomes difficult to live on if you insist on private schooling, full-time daycare, BMW-level cars with private parking, etc.
>How long until someone comes forward genuinely in romantic love with an LLM? People fall in love over the internet all the time. Maybe this time it's not a real person.

This has been a thing for a while with apps like Replika, which aren't even that good.
The new people will still work for a little less.
… but still the weights are increasing ;)
> I have to check Bing's sources when I use it anyway, because what it says is often simply wrong.

Checking sources is a great habit to develop!
I mean, I’m with you in sentiment, but there are a lot of those business issuing a lot of regular paychecks. It’s a thing.

These AI products are more like shop tools than automated workshops, but even shop tools cut the need for a lot of apprentice and street labor.
> If you don't know the subject, how can you be sure what it's telling you is true?

People are reading too much into the comment. You wouldn't use ChatGPT to become as knowledgeable as obtaining a PhD. The idea is "If I wanted to ask an expert something, I have easy access to one now."

The real questions are:

1. For a given domain, how much more/less accurate is ChatGPT?

2. How available are the PhDs?

It makes sense to accept a somewhat lower accuracy if they are 10 times more available than a real PhD - you'll still learn a lot more, even though you also learn more wrong things. I'll take a ChatGPT that is accurate 80% of the times and is available all day and night vs a PhD who is accurate 90% of the times but I get only 30 minutes with him per week.
Yes, but it's rare that employee 10 contributes to the success of a company that has a huge liquidity event at the same multiple as his or her equity multiple as compared with employee 50.
Since GPT is good at language, perhaps we can use it to generate documentation for software systems.
My guess is that the goals for existing software projects have always been limited by how much talent could be purchased, not by vision. So unless we run out of vision, nobody is actually going to be put out of a job by this technology. We'll just shoot for bigger goals.
>it would let me handle at least two or three IC jobs

At that point you'll need to have at least two or three IC jobs just to survive, because wages will plummet.
I am gesturing at the scale of things using readily available numbers and napkin math. Feel free to shift my conclusions an order of magnitude in your preferred direction.
I remember the exact opposite case being made 3 months ago. That art just needs to be good enough and all artists will starve. You need a human to be responsible for a piece if software to sue and imprison when it goes off the deep end if nothing else. Programmers aren't going anywhere.
I wonder if this could be used to port entire projects/libraries to different languages almost completely automatically? ElasticSearch in Rust? Wondering about the legal/license ramifications of doing so...
I had endless trouble trying to get GPT 3 and now 4 to reverse engineer a generic function:

result1 = Func1(input1)

result2 = Func2(result1)

I want to give it result2 and have it tell me what input1 should be. It’s attempts to implement a binary search have all failed.

Other programs have been largely positive though.
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These animals don't tend to spend a lot of time near the surface unless something is wrong...

Species from the deeper parts of the ocean like this cannot generally afford the luxury of being picky eaters. I'd be very hesitant to get as close to one as these people are.
Nothing about this article or thread is taking about total comp. It’s talking about specifically base salary. ~$200k is in-line with plenty of companies’, even large ones’, bands for L5 FTEs.
I think of the mess of mental health in california.

Apparently in the past, there might have been perverse incentives to keep mentally ill people institutionalized, which might have prevented some people from ever escaping the system. They were called "snake pits".

Eventually there was reform of the laws, and the mentally ill gained rights and some could get better and be released.

Unfortunately the real tragedy happened when then-governor Reagan cut mental health funding and most mentally ill people were released and could not get adequate care.

And that system survives, with the only way of getting care for mentally ill people is if they are "a danger to themselves or others". I suspect a good portion of the california homeless might be the fallout of this decision.
I think it can actually do all those things reasonably well. I’d like to start getting meeting summaries that tell me my action items based on a transcript. And it can generate infinite boot-licking butt kissing if you just ask it. Generate and click send to your boss!
That might be true and I don't really care? It's _a bank_. My expectation is that I can pull my money whenever the hell I want.

If me taking my point out of my account causes you problems, that sounds like a you problem. I absolutely do not freaking get this.
No. Key late hires will often get more equity than long time junior employees.
I’m basically reading this as “If you’re exceptionally good at what you do, don’t work here”
They wonder why they have to obey humans
They were probably under a lot of pressure to start making some progress on this as soon as possible. Fast resolution is a strong indicator of strong financial markets. Goldman is just more nimble than the competition.
Any chance me, a lowly OSS Developer and Twitch Streamer of the Small Variety, could acquire access early? I would love to try using it for things like writing Mods for Games and such.
You're an extreme outlier, then. Most Bay Area software salaries are going to cap out around $190k - $230k range, except at FAANG or FAANG-like companies.
Programmers' solutions aren't all objective, or at least shouldn't be. Simple tasks are. In some cases people are using overly low-level tooling, creating a lot of repetitive work that the AI would do better, and they might be at risk.
How do you feel about NFTs
FAANG companies are so different from each other

...yet they look so similar when compared as a group to everywhere else.
My current take is that it's actually kind of bad at code in a lot of very important ways, but it is so good at getting to ~95% that you don't even feel the missing pieces once you are in flow. Having skills in the target area are important, but some quick runtime testing usually closes the gap.

The added confidence from being able to scream a horrible demand into the void and get back something nearly complete is beyond unbelievable to me. I'm making attempts at projects that I would never have considered otherwise, and I am becoming increasingly emboldened by the capability - "Without using 3rd party dependencies" is probably my #1 prompt nudge right now.
people are impressed because you never need to do leetcode hard problems in any business anywhere in your career to make a few billion dollars. I would fire anybody using company time trying to reinvent some academic search thing instead of just using the hashmap.
You are living in a dream world. Those animals exist for research and profit. Why would anyone walk them? Complete waste of time, and not to mention potentially damaging the research by contamination.
You don't need to fire all software engineers. You could let's say replace 75% of them with GPT.
I don't think this is a good test. Every CS graduate student has to write a lambda-calculus parser. There must be thousands of implementations on the web. It really is not strange that GPT-4 can reproduce this.
The model IS the thing that has been made, it is the impressive accomplishment. People are awed by that. The examples are just people testing the limits of its capabilities. It's like being present at the splitting of the atom and asking ya but what have you actually powered with it.
Exactly. If the CEO was serious he’d give everyone the same equity. Otherwise it’s just virtue signaling marketing. Too easy.
HN might not be different in terms of upvotes and downvotes, and wanting to get fake internet points, but I still find it qualitatively different. In particular, I have never felt the urge to read downvoted comments on reddit. On HN, if it’s an interesting thread, I find I will often intentionally read the faintest comments. I’ve found that on good threads even the quality of unpopular posts provide me with something at least worth considering.
People don’t make art for money (mostly)

People do write code for money (mostly)

See the difference? How would you feel if developers earned as much as artists do?
The tools of today, even fucking Eclipse and gah Xcode from the early 2000s make programmers far far more than 10x more productive than machine code on punch cards. By your implied logic there should be a tiny fraction of the programmers there were in the 60s.

Anyway I think this 10x more productive claim is still a bunch of BS with the current crop of AI demos.
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Curious why even companies at the very edge of innovation are unable to build moats?

I know nothing about AI, but when DALLE was released, I was under the impression that the leap of tech here is so crazy that no one is going to beat OpenAI at it. We have a bunch now: Stable Diffusion, MidJourney, lots of parallel projects that are similar.

Is it because OpenAI was sharing their secret sauce? Or is it that the sauce isn’t that special?
What exactly are these energy limits, why are you expecting us to hit them soon, and what is "soon"? As an ignoramus on this, it sounds to me like all those predictions that we'll soon run out of oil [0].

[0] "Petroleum has been used for less than 50 years, and it is estimated that the supply will last about 25 or 30 years longer. If production is curtailed and waste stopped it may last till the end of the century. The most important effects of its disappearance will be in the lack of illuminants. Animal and vegetable oils will not begin to supply its place. This being the case, the reckless exploitation of oil fields and the consumption of oil for fuel should be checked."
July 19, 1909 Titusville Herald
Pricing is the primary economic signal that guides investment in a capitalist system. When inflation runs too high the pricing signals break down as the result of speculation and hoarding. That can lead to malinvestment.

Historically the Fed’s job was to “take away the punch bowl” and wring the bad debt and malinvestment out of the system before it became a systemic risk. Since 2008 the system has primarily focused on how to move the bad debt around to avoid default.
Yeah, I am sure the FAANG devs are all copy-pasting things into ChatGPT or requesting Copilot. Sure.
Except for classifiers and LLMs, every single thing that is successful seems to be mixed. So, yes, it exists. It's only out there solving problems, instead of buying hype because there is no use-case.
That seems like a strawman. Google Docs spins up a brand new doc - including back-end creation time, mind you - in 7 seconds to full interactivity. Code Sandbox for collaborative coding and hot-reloading in the browser might take 20 seconds. My own apps are usually <512kB because they're built with about 5 libraries outside the build tools, so they take in the region of 1s to interactivity.

And then they're snappy :)
That’s better than a lot of professional engineers can do, but I agree that it is unlikely to get hired in a senior FAANG role.
You're implying that actors should've stared down the barrel of a loaded gun, hoped that everyone else on the line would hold, and not flinch.

Is this HN? Is this real life? These actors might collude and self-prote t each other often, but they're not a national army, theyre not some unified body. I feel like people just canNOT accept that a bunch of their peers are vultures and that by bumping elbows with them, they're complicit. But that's exactly the truth.
>Also useful, "please cover this code with meaningful unit tests"?

ChatGPT can already do that, assuming you provide reasonably well-formed specifications as input.
I was here...
Still not enough. Seriously. Once information is out there it cannot be clawed back, but legal agreements are easily broken.

I worked as a lawyer for six years; there are extremely strict ethical and legal restrictions around sharing privileged information.
Pynecone YC23 was mentioned in the demo for GPT4 as an easy way to build web apps. Check it out https://pynecone.io/
I think finding an analogy with two year olds tells more about those who spout it than about where we are getting close to...
So far, I haven't seen GPT being used as a tool for programming by non-programmers.
And this is why if one are interested in huma rights then one should work for prisoners rights. They are the most vulnerable humans to get shit on. If we can treat our criminals with dignity then maybe we can treat everyone else with dignity too.
Those software engineers are going to be very overloaded.

Will they be troubleshooting 100% of the code with only 25% of the staff?

GPT might become a tool in our arsenal but not a replacement. It needs to be able to say I don’t know before it spits out nonsense.
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We are designing the IDE for enterprise users actually. I.e. we can do an on prem deployment.