skysight-inc/HackerNews huggingface dataset:
Thank you. I too wasted a good five minutes trying to find out what any tier would cost, and failed. I wonder if the USD prices are different from the CAD ones?
> almost every evening you get error pages

The only thing I do more than Reddit is sleep - and I do not get error pages everyday. A few years ago, yes. Now they are pretty rare. Maybe once a week.
Halucinations Could Blunt ChatGPT OpenAI says solvable Yann LeCun says we’ll see
This is addressed in the blog post. It still hallucinates, though significantly less.
Could open ai just offer letting you upload a key and use it for interaction with the model? Basically encrypt the model with the key and all the request and responses are all secure?

I’m probably oversimplifying but it feels doable.
I guess at least mouser/crowdsupply
whats the point of services in the first place?
ChatGPT did this for a while soon after its released. But the feature was removed.
There are even strong inapproximability results for some problems, like set cover.

"Neural networks are universal approximators" is a fairly meaningless sound bite. It just means that given enough parameters and/or the right activation function, a neural network, which is itself a function, can approximate other functions. But "enough" and "right" are doing a lot of work here, and pragmatically the answer to "how approximate?" can be "not very".
The consequences people derive from the amenity effect are horrifying. One would come to the conclusion that any improvement in a city at all is going to make the city unaffordable

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-022-31572-1

and you might even come to the conclusion that you should actively make life in a city worse to make it affordable to the poor.
So a neat story … but it trends like “newbie does big thing. Possibly messes up but is ok.”

Like a lot of people in startups.

Some of which fail. Some due to svb. Some to other reasons.

Same “newbie taking serious action” trend.

Like 17/18 yo kids getting signed up with predatory college loans.

We’ll bail out capital owning class members… but those same folk laugh at the student loan cohort…
Yeah, sure seems like it was guessing, right?

Congrats on the sickest win imaginable though.
A GPT-powered chat-based role playing game. I'll be very interested to see how people use this tool in ways Duolingo didn't expect at all.

Cue: "My best friend is Duolingo Max. They're the only person I can really talk to. While learning a new language, too."
It's fantasy wide now closer than before because of this huge window it just can handle.

That already feels closer to short-term memory.

Which begs the question how far are we?
"AFAIK, there are more jobs than skilled people applying."

This is what everyone seems to be missing. Not everyone in society can or wants to be a senior cloud engineering architect or a AI specialist. The jobs that enable large swathes of people to productively contribute in society are going to be removed before people in the current generation can reskill (if they can afford it) and the next generation will work harder for less pay for a smaller pool of jobs.

Offshoring was shifting work not replacing it.

Economy is going to hurt without some sort of UBI because capitalism only works when people have money to spend.
Yes. I posted that article on HN, and I have referenced that in my comment as well.

As this entire thread is not getting votes outside of us two, I'm just gunna stop responding and discussing because it's clearly not changing any minds and I have better stuff to do with my evening.
Smarter, sure... it can process massive amounts of information considerably faster than I can. Intelligent, I don't think so... I can pull together a new and fresh idea by observing the shadow of a bird flying across the nights sky, I can be inspired to rally a team from the beautify of the patterns in rain on my car window driving to work. LLMs are smarter than me, but I still think I'm more intelligent than them. Not really what you asked, just a thought. :)
> The workable solution is to find or make a receptive regulatory environment (perhaps in a small country with large reserves of nuclear fuel and large unpopulated areas to isolate reactors in, like say Australia), use massive banks of nuclear power to power commensurately massive carbon capture plants that turn airborne CO2 back into synthetic coal and synthetic gasoline, and then export these “completely clean conventional fuels” to the rest of the world.

Any idea how massively inefficient this would be?

> A potent offering and one that’s hopefully hard to regulate against as well.

You don't need to regulate against something that cannot possibly turn a profit.
An AI would be able to do that in a year...

In fact, once we are past the exponential growth of parameter and training phase, we will start fine tuning and integrating multiple state of the art AI together. Right now we have only 2 pieces: text and image. Eventually it will expand to speech, music, videos/vision, touch, smell, etc. All of that can be made into a type of large model and integrated together.

Then maybe it will be a true AI.
Likely because people who browse both sites are now more likely to browse hn.

Edit: i.e. a form of cascading failure.
> Boomers were responsible for the late 90s VR hype train.

Sure. I'm just not sure I understand how the current focus/hype by Mark Zuckerberg/Meta can be THE cause for VR to fail (which is what was asserted by the person I was responding to).

I mean, are there literally nobody younger who is hyped about VR? Maybe not!
> The FDIC has always made all depositors whole.

They usually manage to facilitate a bank takeover which does that, or sacrifices only some portion of uninsured brokered deposits, but there are certainly plenty of cases where that is not the case.
The foreign women are stealing our men!
Sure, but as a junior engineer on one of those teams, some senior engineer thats been there a decade will shoulder you out of the best learning opportunities.

Also, that stuff was invented more than a decade ago in most cases. Very different companies back then
Cost of ChatGPT API just dropped 90%. Guaranteed that prices will come down dramatically over time.
If AI knows how to do most things then It’ll be able to create, host and run any service so many Saas will disappear. No more dev ? Then no more sales and marketing as well. No employees and no management.
« Please write an app that does … ». That’s it.
If we are there then there won’t be competition because anyone can generate its own tools. But at what cost ? It certainly won’t be free.

But who will develop langages now ? AI ? What about debugging, if the AI says there is no bug but it’s still won’t generate all the datas, forms, subscriptions or statistics needed or bug free. How to fix it ?

Now let’s say I love Daft Punk and David Guetta. Daft punk stopped producing music. So will I be able to say: « generate 1h of music from the style of daft punk and the rythm of David Guetta ».
Even if I pay the service let’s say 50€ a month. Are those artists going to be compensated ?
Because today if I mix and sell this exact music, depending on the country I might be sued for copyright infringement. But what about AI ? Who would be responsible ?
Should we track every piece of content that AI use, track it down the blockchain to identify its sources and pay the relevant original authors ? Should a system like that be « built-in » by law ? Or should we do nothing and treat all created content as without any IP ? It’s very good for me, the consumer but very bad for all business. It seems like an unfair game and open AI should be 100% free as well ?
hey, im very concerned about AI and AGI and it is so refreshing to read your comments. over the years i have worried about and warned people about AI but there are astonishingly few people to be found that actually think something should be done or even that anything is wrong. i believe that humanity stands a very good chance of saving itself through very simple measures. i believe, and i hope that you believe, that even if the best chance we had at saving ourselves was 1%, we should go ahead and at least try.
in light of all this, i would very much like to stay in contact with you. ive connected with one other HN user so far (jjlustig) and i hope to connect with more so that together we can effect political change around this important issue. ive formed a twitter account to do this, @stop_AGI. whether or not you choose to connect, please do reach out to your state and national legislators (if in the US) and convey your concern about AI. it will more valuable than you know.
I mean, I work in this industry and have worked for big companies in Silicon Valley and I freaking hate these companies and people.

These companies are all about profits at the cost of degrading living conditions and "disrupting" businesses, but in my experience it's all been a trend downward. One of my most favorite example is the whole Real Page renting price fiasco[1]. A bunch of a-holes who help landlords be worse.

And this is just one example. There's this other great example of companies and people using technology for terrible things like murdering people better. [2]

I mean, one of the most pernicious things to come out of the rise of technology is the complete lack of ownership of anything, ever. Streaming services have removed media ownership. Day one patches on games make it impossible to play games 20 years down the line, and that completely ignores the whole issue of trying to archive games that obligate you to have an internet connection for experiencing content. I miss peer-to-peer lan content.

And don't get me started on how tech has helped people be more "secure". Services and tools like Ring have only aided and abetted the worst types of community members in actively antagonizing neighbors and people because now they can watch people when they're away.

I cannot emphasize enough how upset I am that I grew up during the 90s where there was so much hope and optimism for technology only to see it grow and distort into ecosystems, fiefdoms, and toxic patterns that actively affect people physically, mentally, financially in ways that are negative.

So yeah, (apologies for the bad language), but fuck Silicon Valley, and fuck all these a-hole tech assholes who drink the kool-aid of "bUt wE'Re dIsRuPtInG ThE WoRlD To mAkE A BeTtEr pLaCe", because they're not, and I fucking hate them all.

[1] https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2022/10/company-that-mak...

[2] https://www.youtube.com/shorts/tXbrrQH36e8
Good question! It'd be really cool, but there are already more high quality books out than I'll be able to read in my lifetime.
I’m a lemon. They’ve got me interested now.
Human abnormal behavior detection with CNN in crowded and uncrowded surveillance
You sue their employer.
given how the indian gov't had suppressed anything critical of them, i highly doubt that they will do an investigation where they will find that adani and the indian gov't has been implicated in shady dealings to get to where they are now.
lmao literally a weasel word
That sounds like it would be ripe for abuse. If companies get $$$ for big samples, there is an incentive to fake it. And garbage in=garbage out. Quality of AI/ML models might even degrade if the "raw material" is contaminated. Pre-GPT 3.5 data will be really valuable.
The edge requirement sits sour with me because of Microsoft's previous stewardship/monopoly of the web browsers with IE. As a web developer first trying to enable cross-browser consistency starting back with IE 5.5, the number of hours I wasted due to MS's anti-competitive choices really bothers me. Collectively how many dev hours were wasted trying to support IE? I will never use a Microsoft web browser again. That bridge is permanently burned for me.
Efficient Violence Detection in Surveillance
The FDIC announced 100 cents on the dollar for depositors fully 48+ hours ago.
Would you mind sharing a few examples of these demonstrations? I’m genuinely very interested.

What I’ve seen so far is that they are so flaky that can’t be relied on in general. And that’s exactly my point, that the demos are cute, but can’t be relied on for ordinary day-to-day tasks.

That’s fine, progress has been great, and hard problems take time. But see the comments and people are freaking out that “AGI” is around the corner and smarter than humans and other nonsense claims.
We are talking about a single assessment of 5 basis points of deposits, which is what was assessed in 2009 after the 2008 crisis. This is unlikely to be a major cost for banks.
Looking at subsidized marginal cost of energy tells you pretty much nothing. You need a cost function that considers at least reliability and the cost of energy storage.
"Please use the original title, unless it is misleading or linkbait; don't editorialize." - https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

If you want to say what you think is important about an article, that's fine, but do it by adding a comment to the thread. Then your view will be on a level playing field with everyone else's: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&so...
Joined a FAANG around 42 w/ 25 years of experience. Spent most of my time at smaller tech companies in a smaller market where I owned a house and enjoyed life outside of work. I was married and ended up getting divorced and stuck w/ hellacious alimony(no kids, just lazy wife) so I had to work in the valley gold mines to make up for it.

I want to add here that I'm not totally bagging on FAANG work. I'm glad I did it(and still am). I have an immensely impactful role that pays well even if I don't enjoy the team I'm on. But I work with people who have spent most of their careers in the valley and it shows. They're middle aged and frustrated that, despite their single, high paying FAANG job they can't buy a house or find a spouse("Man Jose" and all that). They're folks without hobbies who only seem to find worth in their work accomplishments. Maybe I'm just old and these are the kinds of people society cranks out now. I don't know.
Jim Blinn and Ed Catmull – graphics class at Berkeley (1981)
Short term: painful disruption.

Medium term: the Industrial Revolution for intelligence.

Long term: the solar system, then the stars.

Our world is broken and unfinished. We are using up all the physical resources of our world and are stressing every natural system that we know of. Billions of people live in relative poverty and the world is packed with inefficiency and corruption. Our leadership is incompetent and our politics are toxic. We need help. Badly and soon.

If AI can enable the typical person to be 10 or 100 times more productive or make 10 or 100 times better management decisions, we might finally have a chance of escaping the Malthusian trap that’s about to close on us. Our solar system is filled with vast resources and vast stores of energy. We have the scientific knowledge to colonize the many planets and moons within reach but are vastly short on the energy, labor and materials required. AI could be the key enabler to get the space based economy off the ground, and release us from the resource constraints of this single planet. Once we have remade, all these worlds into gardens our descendants can head off to Alpha Centauri.
The unarticulated assumption is not actually true in the original gameshow. Monty didn't always offer the chance to switch, and it's not at all clear whether he did so more or less often when the contestant had picked the correct door.
Is there a single major service from a Silicon Valley internet company that doesn't get worse by the year? They all loss lead for years and years, then try to diminish the experience for profit in late stages.
I worked at a startup where everyone was ex meta! They made such a shitty architecture with GraphQL and Hasura and other meta technologies they learnt that it was laughable they were using that for a small startup.
Having fun and making a cool product is more worth then more money and having to optimize a shitty ad-algo...for example at meta/google.
Well a lot of the compensation is not cash, but bonuses and stock grants. I know, stock isn’t cash and is subject to risk, but it’s a lot more than 190k even after you factor in the risk.
the goal is how to use chatGPT without sending plain text to OpenAI (to preserve privacy, make sure openai is unable to even see plain customer data)
Voice chatbots will replace phone trees in ~2 years, and most call-center workers within 5. Within a decade it will be almost literally impossible to look up a phone number associated with a business, call it, and speak to a human.
I've always imagined this as plausible. Confronted with the infinite, it seems not only probable, but possible.

I would imagine us doing it ourselves in the future.

We might have already done it in an interplanetary way with mars.

EDIT: reading the wikipedia entry, I found this funny:

... fragment of the Orgueil meteorite ... Despite great initial excitement, the seed was found to be that of a European Juncaceae or Rush plant that had been glued into the fragment and camouflaged using coal dust. The outer "fusion layer" was in fact glue.
Qubes OS 4.1.2 has been released
https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/firing-gunshots-to-keep-rent-...
Unfortunately we still don't know how it all began, before the big bang etc.

I hope we get to know everything during our lifetimes, or we reach immortality so we have time to get to know everything. This feels honestly like a timeline where there's potential for it.

It feels a bit pointless to have been lived and not knowing what's behind all that.
I only spent 6 months in the Bay Area in 2019 for an internship, so I don't have a strong understanding of the cost of living other than "it's expensive". For a family of 5 (two adults, three kids) what do folks perceive to be the minimum base annual salary (with no other compensation) to support such an environment in the Bay Area comfortably and without, as put by the author, financial distress?
As another radiologist, I'm not sure how you can say this with a straight face? If anything the minimal progress that has been made since Hinton made this claim should be encouraging people to pursue radiology training. As with other areas of medicine that have better AI (interpreting ECGs for example) all this will do is make our lives easier. AI is not an existential threat to radiology (or pathology for that matter which is an easier problem to solve than medical imaging).

1. Radiology =/= interpreting pixels and applying a class label.

2. Risk and consequences of misclassifying T-staging of a cancer =/= risk of misclassifying a VGA connector.

3. Imaging appearance overlap of radiological findings >>>>>>>>>> imaging appearance overlap of different types of connectors (e.g. infection and cancer can look the same, we make educated guesses on a lot of things considering many patient variables, clinical data, and prior imaging.) You would need to have a multi-modal model enriched with a patient knowledge graph to try and replicate this, while problems like this are being worked on we are no where close enough for this to be a near-term threat. We haven't even solved NLP in medicine, let alone imaging interpretation!

4. Radiologists do far more than interpret images, unless you're in a tele-radiology eat-what-you-kill sweatshop. This includes things like procedures (i.e. biopsies and drainages for diagnostic rads) and multidisciplinary rounds/tumor boards.
I am in favor of individuals being able to do what they want in the privacy of their own homes.

I am not in favor of the same for corporations in free markets. *EVERY* individual can disagree with something a corporation does, and the corporation WILL still do it in a free market if necessary to survive.

Most of the dangers I see from LLMs right now have to do with things like addictive disinformation for ad clicks. If that's not brought under control, the concept of democracy is f-ed.

One of the things I've learned is that unregulated free market forces + monatization of eyeballs + democracy aren't a good mix.
I'm sure you aren't the only person that would want to see that.
Yeah, that's a good one. I have found, however, that denormalized tables designed for the queries that you need to do can make a massive impact on performance, especially at scale.

However, it's also a massive pain in the Automated System Structure to keep them updated properly.
We don't do something different.

We either repeat like a parrot (think about kids who you though got something and then you discover they didn't understood it)

Or create a model (as chatgpt does) of abstraction and then answer through it.
That's the feature of chat - it remembers what has been said and that changes the context in which it says new things. If you use the API it starts fresh each time, and if you turn down the 'temperature' it produces very similar and identical answers.
Same energy as "the gunman wasn't trying to push violence, he just accepted it as a cost of firing his gun wildly into a crowd"
True, I was simplifying a bit. Technically "gracias" is /a/ as you point out, while bot is /ɑ/. But /a/ doesn't really exist in General American English, so bot (or bra, as sibling suggests) is the closest on the IPA vowel chart.
In fact, if you haven't had an infant, they don't even know how to eat. You have to teach them and train them how to masticate, which is kind of weird.
I don't understand either of those. With twitter there's no room for thought or nuance. It's just a basic "hot take" machine and that's it. Sure, Reddit is full of those, but there's some depth there too at times. I understand discord even less. When I look at it it seems like just a giant chat log. I can't easily find new insights from overnight without rewinding the whole log and parsing it all. I don't know how to pick and choose topics that interest me, it's a fire-hose of noise. I assume one can do it, but I can't figure it out.
That’s cool and all but there are a hundred different forums to share and raise awareness of this. I don’t see what is remotely “hacker” related here.

Like I said the comments are predictably filled with low quality flamebait/ideologically loaded comments adding nothing interesting to the conversation. Reddit exists for this purpose.
It's not. I think you've perhaps misread "less than 3 times as expensive as" as "3 times less expensive as" or similar. It's more expensive but not more than 3x the cost.
I’ve had much better experience after I switched back to the classic reddit page. Still occasionally has issues. But not nearly as bad as the default page. Maybe once every couple of weeks, I’ll get the reddit is broken page for a minute or two.
Similarly, Shabbat mode on kitchen appliances (1).

I do wonder, however, whether there are dedicated individuals within religious organizations that assess a given spiritual framework and consider workarounds for things that might be dangerous to the health of their religious community.

(1) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabbath_mode
Okay but what’s the amortized cost of building triple the supply? The chart you linked to only talks about marginal cost.
Once home batteries come down in price, rooftop solar will be a no-brainer for most households (especially when building new ones or when the roof needs replacing anyway). Payback times for rooftop solar are already around the 10 year mark, and that's in the UK where it's not that sunny.

Why pay for electricity when you can get it for free?
By nature of being human and prioritizing my own existence and the existence of the people I love, I fundamentally believe humans (specifically these humans) have more moral worth than "digital beings." In fact, digital beings only have value to me insofar as they help humans and don't harm humans. I'm a human chauvinist, and proud of it.