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There's a comment further down linking to a series of articles which propose the same solution. http://marshallbrain.com/robotic-freedom.htm is the relevant article.

It's something that should be considered since it seems like currently there's nothing really keeping the value of human labor from going down, leaving most people destitute. However, even if it could be financed successfully, it would be a very dramatic change for our economy and society, and I don't really see any way to there from here. Our present culture is ultimately rooted on consumerism -- most people earn as much money as they're able to working a job and then spend all of it on things they need. We permit a small elite who can earn enough money to not need to work for a living to do as they see fit, but the vast majority is kept doing what society requires of them by the need to work at a job and earn a wage.

In a world where people are free to do what they want, there needs to be something to encourage them to do something which is beneficial to society, to prevent stagnation. The whole system begins to sound a lot like a refinement of what communist countries hoped to achieve in the 20th century, and it feels like we're back to many of the basic arguments for and against socialism.

If it isn't already clear from what I wrote, I have no real knowledge of this topic and I'm just rambling. The article I linked is a bit long but it and the FAQ it links to try to address some of these issues.
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VMware + windows can do it. Also look for yoot tower, the sequel.
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There is also a defect in this comparison in that the journalists weren't helping displace average joe's jobs, but programmers are.
I'm on o2 business / htc desire / cyanogen and my phone number is in the header. wtf.
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I think that should be the flip side but aside from 2009-2010 (the bulk of the recession), inflation has remained constant over the last ten years.

While this may be true, technology has definitely become cheaper and more accessible. Eg. in my country, which is a Western economy, few people could afford computers in the 80ies, except maybe for the very low end (C64, MSX). Now many families have multiple laptops, smartphones, and maybe even a tablet.

Also, fixed Internet connections used to be expensive, pay per minute. Nowadays, for 20 Euros per month you get an internet connection without data limits and plenty of bandwidth.

Technology did become more accessible for the average family. And the impact is real: snail mail is almost killed, records stores have mostly disappeared, and next up are book stores. The price of e-mail is near-zero, iTunes music purchases are often cheaper than new physical albums (especially if you have to pay S&H fees), and Kindle ebooks are often cheaper than paper equivalents.
I tend to agree with that solution, though I think there are more and less sustainable vs. conflict-inducing ways of structuring it. The simplest way is just to pay out cash collected from taxes, but that's always subject to conflict around "my tax money going to support lazy bums" type stuff, and easy to cut (or fiddle with in various ways to meet other budgetary goals).

More sustainable basic incomes tend to be structured as royalties imo, like Alaska's oil fund. One possibility would be to look at what might happen in a future where agriculture is mainly mechanized, so in effect food is being grown by robots. Initially what that'll mean is whoever got in place first will profit from them; whoever had the land and the capital to invest in the robots will then own the results of their production, even in a hypothetical future where they run 100% on autopilot henceforth. So it's a sort of strong-dependence-on-initial-conditions type situation, where who gets the results of the robots' labor depends basically on who was on top in the last pre-robot generation (granted, it may not be a purely black-and-white pre-robot/robot transition). I think in that case we'd have to eventually (somehow) transition towards a bunch of arable land + robots being held in trust for the population as a whole, splitting up the proceeds, or at least a portion of them, like the Alaska oil fund.

Lots of details and questions around exactly how the numbers work out, but at a high level I like a solution of not intruding much into the "normal" part of the economy, like humans doing things for other humans, but operating some basic minerals/land/agriculture in some sort of trust arrangement, with proceeds distributed to everyone, as their share of the proceeds of the earth+robots (as opposed to the proceeds of other humans' labor).
Oh god yoot tower runs on iPad. Downloaded in the interest of science.
Scribes were reasonably well off, sure, but to call them an "exclusive, elite upper class" goes beyond stretching it. Scribes were decently paid clerks that worked for scheming, sword wielding thugs who only gradually became literate themselves.

I don't think we're an elite, upper class now either. We're decently paid clerks that perform an essential task for our scheming, private jet flying, yes, thuggish overlords that for now at least haven't become computer literate themselves. Yet.

But the day will come that they will have, or at least will have become computer literate enough to operate the software that has displaced us.

If that day comes after I've died, I don't mind. Otherwise it'll be a problem.
No site served over unencrypted HTTP can be considered trusted. So there's no circumstance under which they should insert this header, since they can't modify HTTPS requests.
Hmm. Interesting. I had never considered that possibility before.
Is this a problem with the single player HTML5 games as well? I presume this is a possibility wherever javascript is part of the game logic?
We got aware of that problem in October 2011 during relaunch of our website and we faced it also with t-mobile in germany. After digging around helpful sources have been

http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4113268/how-to-stop-javas...

Besides injecting the bmi.js they also do their own javascript compression. At that time we had our own minified version of jquery, which got corrupted by their compression. They assume that /* always denotes a starting comment. This is wrong for the jquery lib, which contains some strings containing /* to denote mime type patterns. Anyways, we solved those compression issues with cache-control:no-transform. Also gzip compressing the HTTP responses worked.
The criteria varies per carrier. In most cases, a trusted site is one run or owned by the carrier (e.g. carrier portal site). Getting on this list usually (from what I understand) requires a whole lot of paperwork and approvals.

In terms of being made public or opt-outable, I'm not aware of any carriers that do this. I guess it depends on which 3rd party sites have negotiated agreements and obtained appropriate opt-ins from you and/or the carrier in various Terms of Agreements. For example, banking sites probably get a free pass when it comes to your mobile number because you may have entered it in to the banking application for verification purposes (just an example).
Your claim was that in our current systems 'law' fails to be 'law' because one cannot be sure (with some margin) not to be breaking any law without contacting specialized advise. (the 'without specialized advise is irrelevant btw, because even with such advise one cannot be sure). The only situation that can be under discussion is at the margins. If you meant that nobody can ever be sure, then we're arguing different points - but in that case your argument is so trivial that I don't see why you'd bring it up in the first place.

My point is that 'law' is not a set of 100% clear rules that can mechanically be applied to any situation, after which the 'just' result will come out (to frame this within more common academic terms, I oppose Montesquieu's 'bouche de la loi' theory of law finding). There will always be cases where a 'reasonable' interpretation of the word of the law needs to be used. For people at the margins of the known rules (Megaupload), this means they cannot be sure how far they can go before they break the law. Nor, which is related but not the same, how far they can go before being prosecuted. This is not a symptom that law is failing. I'm not sure what your point is with other societies; if you think there are any that have completely closed systems, please name it, otherwise I will assume that we agree that there haven't been any.

The "ignorance of the law" comment is irrelevant, which is why I ignored it. It's a procedural principle, it has little to do with this discussion. It just means that you can't use ignorance about the law as an excuse to not be convicted. It doesn't mean that everybody needs to know everything about the law.

Finally, if you're suggesting that the RFC process is anything similar to law, you're basically making my point of you not understanding the profound nature of law for me. RFC's describe a very narrow, technical, deterministic aspect or format of internet-related concepts and formats. RFC compliance is voluntary and there are little to no consequences when people don't follow them or implement them wrong. The process is opaque, considers only the interests of those motivated and intelligent enough to participate and the results still are full of ambiguities and wrong choices. This is like saying 'oh the infrastructure for Google search can't be that hard, after all I can host a Wordpress blog on the Pentium 3 in my basement'. Even if, for the casual observer, the two look the same from the outside, their nature is fundamentally different.
This isn't a particularly new claim - back when the fad weight loss supplement was ephedrine (or a "ephedrine/caffeine/aspirin stack") the purported mechanism was brown fat thermogenesis.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ephedrine

First I recall hearing about it was the mid-80s book Life Extension Weight Loss Program from megavitamin proponents Durk Pearson and Sandy Shaw. So this has been known of for a while.

It was also thought to be debunked because "adult humans don't have brown fat" - which, as this article makes clear, is more "don't have much". But better imaging techniques have brought brown-fat thermogenesis back around.

If you're trying to do this with vitamin/herbal supplements, I think the current trend is to use "bitter orange" instead of ephedrine. I find it's not very effective for me, but I wasn't a fan of ephedrine either.
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Isn't the solution here to get better skills and stay ahead of the "average" curve?
Each company has shown that they're willing to spend money to keep some companies away from the others. --Look at Microsoft's purchase of Skype (I'm still not sure why they really did that).

The one thing that Microsoft does differently is they pay dividends, which is a very clear way of providing value to stockholders. Google has never done this, and Apple hasn't done this since 1995.
A header with a phone number does not prove anything; anyone can insert a header with a fake number in their HTTP requests.
Here is a un-minified version: http://pastebin.com/t0FhS2Z7

My quick glace at it agrees with you, it looks like it replaces the URLs of the images, presumably to load compressed versions.
My colleague just tried it with Tesco Mobile which runs on O2 on his Galaxy S2 and his number was in the header.
I still haven't seen any convincing argument that socialism is going to result in anything besides "trickle up poverty." How that's supposed to be better than what we have now remains a mystery to me.

I'm also unconvinced that the basic premise of this entire discussion (that technology is going to completely obviate the need for human labor) is sound. Alarmists have been crying this out since at least the Luddites[1] and it hasn't come true yet. But since economies tend to be cyclic, and since we are in the midst of a pronounced (and unfortunately long) downturn right now, it's hard to say if the current malaise is just a "local minimum" of sorts, or an actual sign of some long-term trend. My feeling is that it's more the former than the latter.

[1]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luddite
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It sounds to me like enterprisey dropbox: It backs up your files from your local file server to the aws cloud, and if your server dies, bung in a new one and all your files will reappear.
Great idea, although maybe something you could already do with dropbox?
It's like security through obscurity: on its own it's inadequate, but as an extra layer it can be helpful.
The solution is none. There is no "solution" because it, in itself, is not a problem. The problem is that everybody feels entitled to a top 10% salary and many would kill for "their fair share" when nowadays even the lower 10% have their basic needs covered and some left for leisure.

The problem is that a society where everybody have similar incomes is somehow fairer, when there is no logical chain leading there and to top it off it causes ruination. Did cause it already just after industrial revolution, when this disparity in productivity first became natural, and does more and more now.

Having everyone highly educated would solve many things. Not salary disparity though, as it isn't a problem in the first place. The problem is having a significant chunk of the population hungry or homeless. This can perfectly be eradicated "even" with a higher disparity.
I think we should write to the ICO about this.
I think you're already seeing societies like this in North Western Europe: large numbers of unproductive, uneducated and essentially useless people are kept fed, housed and clothed as that is the humane thing to do, but their lives are absolutely meaningless and empty (mostly - there are of course people who can make it work for themselves). Occasionally they revolt, like they did last summer in England, but even their revolts are absolutely meaningless and empty.
I used to think we didn't want these kinds of cases in front of the supreme court right now - but I am starting to change my mind. They are showing signs of intelligence.
Consider the circumstance where a carrier portal sits on subnets owned by the carrier. In this case, unencrypted HTTP requests to the portal originating from the carrier's proxy are usually considered trusted.

In such a circumstance, carriers may consider this "trusted".
Better titled

Average is looking less attractive than it did 10 years ago

There will always be a place for average. However, I don't think it's going to be as attractive of a place to be as it has been. It's going to be much more costly to try and coast through life.
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And what if you both sit in a life drawing class drawing the same model? What if for some odd reason you decide to sit behind one of the participants and draw a portrait based off their drawing?

I certainly understand what you're getting at, but everything that we do today is based off of some idea that came before us. Is a certain level of indirection required for an expression to be considered appropriately unique?

From the article, "..there is a line between copying ideas and copying the original expression of ideas...", I would consider that opinion to be both myopic and absurd. We stand on the shoulders of giants - nothing created today can ever be considered to be truly "original".
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It's not a very convincing rebuttal. Note how they switch from percentages to total sales and then from worldwide to US share.

However globally in smartphones, they're at 15% and slipping by about 2% over the last year which doesn't seem that far from single digit percentage. And while they're selling a lot of phones, so is everyone, the market as a whole is nearly doubling yearly and even the phones losing share like Blackberry are actually selling more phones than last year.

He should have just pointed at a large pile of money instead, that'll go a long way to help them survive any potential Android hegemony.
you Germans have great privacy laws.

A lot of these laws are from EU Directives, which the UK would have implemented aswell. Brussles isn't all bad! :P
It's also worth noting that it's never been as affordable or easy to escape "average" as it has been today - interestingly enough, thanks to technology.
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Confirmed with Samsung S2, Additionally, x-wap-profile provides phone model (GT-I9100)

Additionally, confirmed on HTC HD2 on Tesco Mobile - Custom ROM (ICS 4.03), thinks its a Nexus HD2 - Stock browser display phone number, Dolphin Mini also displays number!
The public don't like taxes of any sort on anything, however targeting specific taxes is far easier to sell if they're levelled at companies seen to be bad hence tobacco and alcohol taxes, banking taxes, oil and so on.

Walmart are massively profitable and are by many measures the biggest company in the world yet remain untargeted. If what you say is true why is this?

As you say, it's the excuse they need but if they don't have an excuse then the won't/can't do it.
Same exact article written by Business Insider:

http://articles.businessinsider.com/2012-01-19/strategy/3064...
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It absolutely isn't overrated for many fields. Software is something of an exception, but I also think even coders usually benefit from formal training, which they're not really going to get in high school.
How is this helpful? We have proved it's inconsistent... Do you check IP addresses for security too?
Just tested on o2 Ireland (iPhone 4S), no header inserted.
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That's true. I imagine they'll be considering some third-party sites trusted too.
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+1 the header is gone via Opera Mini and their proxy. Leaving O2 after this, definitely not cool.
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It's the 3rd party sites I'm more interested in - I can see that carriers may want it as a security function for internal websites and as they already have your number and all your details anyway, it's not really an issue then.

For instance with your banking example, yes, I may have given my number and probably have if I'm a customer. But what if I'm just browsing a banks website thinking about opening an account? Should they have my number then? (but of course banks are unlikely to abuse this for spam or anything.)

But can you see how people would think this is a grey area with potential for abuse? So basically, we just have to trust our carriers not to sell us out with no way of checking up on them?
This is terrible. Shameless and unsettling about their morals.
The mobile number in the HTML is linked to how the site determines that your browsing from a mobile device #O2Guru"

...and for people using iPod Touches or similar?
I don't find my number. Galaxy Nexus with a contract on O2 (uk) using HDSPA connection.

1.2.3.50/ups/ shows just "This is a personalization server index page created by Bytemobile" but the rest of the page is blank. Nothing to setup...
Unless you can get your customers to replace their devices more quickly every release cycle, the replacement of legacy devices is not growth.
Can you post what you send and then we can all forward it?
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The success of apple , in my opinion, is largely built on the work of app developers. Without the effort put into the software, they would not be able to have so much profits.

We, the developers, are in fact the cheap workers in the Apple Empire, not those factory workers from China. Funny thing is they even charge money from us.
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O2 / iPhone here. My number doesn't appear in the HTTP headers sent.
A minor observation corroborating your hypothesis is looking at how many people Google's accumulated from the old Bell Labs (Rob Pike, Ken Thompson, etc.). In some ways the Bell Labs culture was the diametric opposite of startup culture, with a typical career path of "stay in this job for life", and little interest in business or striking out on your own. I believe a few have said as much, that they moved to Google because it was a place where they had the resources and freedom to just focus on technology.
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It gives me no pleasure to crush dreams or to fail students, but do you want this guy, say, designing bridges?

Realistically it'll be at least 5 years from calculus class until he'll even be the most junior assistant to someone designing a actual bridge and from there probably at least 10 years until he'll be in charge of a bridge design. That's plenty of time of time to catch up. So why not just let him study calculus until he gets good enough to move on? Remove the three fails and you're out rule and the whole problem of students 'needing' to pass that particular course goes away.

If he really doesn't have the necessary talent then he'll never pass all the courses necessary to become an engineer and will never design bridges, but that should be up to him to discover, and if he wants to spend 12 years discovering that then that should very much be his prerogative.
You mean "should have implemented". It's left to member countries to make the laws to match the directives, and if the EU thinks the law doesn't match the directive it's a very long legal process to sort it out.

The example in the UK I can think about is the detention in prison without trial for terrorism case. When the European court said "Ah, no." they scrapped it. And instead brought in house arrest without trial. Cue another long legal process.

But yes, I agree the EU has some great bits :-)

(Again, IANAL, and I worry I'm confusing the EU, European Commission and European court here ...)