Okay, my fren, you bring up this rape allegations a lot so let's clear that up once and for all:

https://www.moonofalabama.org/2022/05/rape-allegations-again...
https://www.naturalnews.com/2022-06-02-ukraine-fires-human-r...
https://waronfakes.com/common/fake-russian-soldiers-are-rapi...

> Okay show me some evidence that isn't from some Russian propagandist site.

Though I don't fully get what defines "propagandist site", but ok, I'll try:

https://kanekoa.substack.com/p/osce-reports-reveal-ukraine-s...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/01/31/ukraine-land...
https://www.moonofalabama.org/2022/04/a-ukrainian-tochka-u-m...
https://tass.com/emergencies/1434847
https://beyondhighbrow.com/2022/03/29/ukrainians-torturing-p...
https://www.sott.net/article/293871-Ukraine-war-crimes-repor...

See? Ukraine does some fucked up shit too. Didn't you know about it?

> A theory with no credibility either.

You gave me nothing to work with aside from "I saw it in some pro-russian tg channel", I could come up with dozens of similar shit from pro-ukrainian channels.

> caught in 4k, with an admission on camera its all 'fake news propaganda'.

Link the video then.

> Russia should get out of Ukraine

They will. Once the goals of special operation are achieved. Leaving right now is not an option. Leaving right now means losing. It means that abandoning people who waited so long for Russia to protect them. If Russia leaves now all of them will be in danger. So the only option is to fight until victorious end.

And Russia will win. Whether you like it or not. All the NATO is doing is prolonging the suffering of both Ukraine and Russia, while also making some buck.

> and stop committing all the war crimes they seem endlessly commit.

yeah, "seem". And don't get me wrong. I'm not denying that probably some of this war crime allegations are probably true, but it's over the top what the west claims. Ukraine is also guilty with evidence, but the west seems hesitant to talk about it, and maybe some of this is fake, but now it's too early to decide. The nature of the situation in Ukraine rn doesn't accommodate for real thorough investigation. Plus the information warfare going on, and Russian propaganda machine sucks compared to NATO's. Every side tries to smear the other, and it's really hard to tell what's true and what's a lie.

This argument is kinda getting old. I'm tired of talking in circles. I'm tired of trying to educate you that it's not so one-sided. This is maybe, probably my last message in this thread.

All I want is peace between our countries once again. But the capitalist pigs and sellout media don't exactly help the cause.

My whataboutism is there to show that we are all the same. So please stop perpetuating hate towards Russia just because your media told you so.

Try to really analyze the situation. When you see some information look who profits from that information, then look for other sources. The situation is probably more complex than was presented to you initially.

And finally read some Marx and Lenin, especially the "Imperialism as the highest form of capitalism" it thoroughly explains why capitalism is incompatible with peaceful coexistence.