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Ask HN: Will humans ever willingly stagnate?
I'm asking for what I believe is likely a unique perspective most people have who monitor HN have on general growth trends especially in places like tech.

More often these days we're seeing companies like google who are trying to outgrow what made them good in the first place with no clear direction.

More and more companies, like amazon, are beginning to feel the weight of bureaucracy and "too much leadership not enough leaders".

Is it possible that as a human species we are approaching the point where growth is destructive? If we are to consider this, is there any future in which the humans race does not choke itself with its own overgrowth?
You make it sound like Copilot is just copy-pasting something from a single repo. The code Copilot generates for me is extremely specific to my application. It understands the context, my code style and what I'm trying to do.

The result looks like my own code and is utilizing the already existing parts of my application. The code it writes for me solves problems that you cannot find a standard solution for anywhere and is definitely not something that could be attributed.

How Copilot is trained is an issue but answering the question "where did this code come from and what license is it under" would be impossible.
I'd hate to find out that American houses don't have heating/cooking thermostats with a clock.

That doesn't automatically handle people being out, but for several decades they've been standard in other countries.
Wonder where is that 30w comes from. I found some said chess player used 6000 calories per day and that does not seem to tie in the number.
I tried using the playground code completion to ask it to write a script for pyautocad that colors in a grid, it completed with a different library, pyautogui. Even after saying "import pyautocad" myself, the function it completed was pyautogui.

I'm sure it's prob still very useful for people who care about the privacy tradeoff, but I've had more success with ChatGPT
The UK's motorway charging network lose their connections all the time, but they tend to fail open, i.e. charge for free as long as it's not an electrical fault. It seems like a very petty upside to change that.
> The Buffalo plant has over 800 Tesla Autopilot analysts with starting pay of about $19 per hour, Bloomberg wrote. The workers are reportedly "in non-engineering roles that contribute to Tesla's automated-driving development, including by identifying objects in images its vehicles capture and helping its systems recognize them on the road."

Best of luck to them but they’re in for a wake up call if they think they’re in a position of bargaining power for a job that takes maybe a day or two of training to learn.
This is exactly what this reminded me of. I can forsee high fidelity solid, textured holograms just being some kind of colour changing liquid that's controlled with sound waves.

Perhaps 100 years into the future we will have dynamic furniture at a whim in our houses through some kind of similar technology .. or be able to materialize dynamic cooking pots exactly suitable for each dish, and then de materialize them afterwards (skip cleaning!), rather than store 20-odd differently sized pots.
What a shame. ATM, I can not imagine a more important question for WHO to answer.

I must ask now - Do we actually need WHO now? What is its point?
Even if electric vehicle manufacturers like Tesla have been "innovating" here, it's obviously creeping into more traditionally fueled vehicles as well, with DLC, connected features, etc showing up starting with the higher end and working down to cheaper models and brands. From their perspective, it's an untapped market to both charge more money and monetize personal data, although I'd personally like to see it regulated into oblivion.
I wonder what the future used car market will look like when all new vehicles are eventually electric. Right now I'm driving a 10 year old Toyota which I bought for £5k and I could probably drive it for 10 more years if I continue taking care of it. Will there be a similar type of deal available once most cars are electric?
I'd just choose a world with less clip-based frenzied communication and developed some standard of digital stoicism instead of overindulgence that is snapchat and tiktok.
This is such a bullshit statement.

Auditing companies absolutely get cyber security experts. Graduates coming out of University obviously don't have the experience of that of veterans but are in a team of experts with experience in that area.

The checklists and workpapers are a way to ensure that there is a level of standardisation in the work that is being performed. If you have assessed a clients firewall or operating system as a veteran you are encouraged to replicate how you did that in a work paper or checklist to cover bases.

Big 4 auditing firms are some of the best in class when it comes to knowledge sharing. Yes sometimes a junior or a senior might miss something without the context, but that is why humans developed lips to talk through it.

I can't count the amount of times I have challenged what a junior has said, or the conclusion a junior has come to based on what a client has said based on my experience.

I was once a graduate myself and found many glaring gaps through the use of simple checklists. If that's all it takes, then the industry needs to write some of their own.
From the article:

> The survey sample size was 37 companies from the Reach Capital portfolio. That’s large enough to see patterns, but not large enough to generalize across all startups. Next, Reach Capital’s portfolio of companies are in education and the future of work. The revenue results by workplace configuration may be different in other markets.

But the subtitle of the article is:

> Data shows that pre-seed and seed startups with employees showing up in a physical office have 3½ times higher revenue growth than those that are solely remote.

There is no world where "data shows" or "have" is the correct presentation of this size of a sample. Hopefully the HN mods caveat the title of the post here.
"But it works on my macbook" is even worse than "but it works on the build server". If you have a build server you're at least forced to make sure it builds in two places (your own machine and the build server) before you merge rather than only one.
Humans are agents who eat food and have memories from before their last conversation, so yes.
> that flowery lala land of "we're a team", "we're a family"

IMO "in a team" is actually achievable if you conceptualize it like a pro sports team where you can get laid off for under-performing, change in overall strategy, injuries etc. The players are still part of a team though.

My current company did layoffs and I don't think anyone is feeling "loyal" but I certainly feel like a member of a team because my coworkers and I work collaboratively towards shared goals and step in to support each other. We don't do this out of any loyalty to the company but because this behavior helps us work better together in a way that is more pleasant and is rewarded by the company.
When Death Draws Near
Can I not what?

Why won’t either of you respond to my core argument: GGP does not need to respond to my comment if they’re not comfortable.

Me asking the question is not me demanding a response.
>If you took GPT3's architecture and scaled it down to the size and training set of a typical auto-predict, it would produce near identical results.

This is almost certainly not true. The number of parameters is an important feature related to the quality of output. If you scaled the architecture down significantly, it would be significantly less capable[1]. But perhaps I misunderstand your point.

>Likewise, if we took an auto-predict architecture from 8 years ago, scaled it up to the size of GPT3 and could train it on GPT3's training set, it would produce similar output to GPT3

This is also not true. The transformer is a key piece in the emergent abilities of language models. The difficulties in scaling RNNs are well known. Self-supervised learning is powerful, but it needs to be paired with a flexible architecture to see the kinds of gains we see with LLMs.

Stacked Transformers with self-attention are extremely flexible in finding novel circuits in service to modelling the training data. The question is how to characterize this model in a way that doesn't short-sell what it is doing. Reductively describing it in terms of its training regime is just to treat the resulting model as explanatorily irrelevant. But the complexity and the capabilities are in the information dynamics encoded in the model parameters. The goal is to understand that.

[1] https://arxiv.org/abs/2001.08361
Even openAI with the massive success and popularity gain can not sustain keeping it for free. The 0.02$ cents is a bargain for the value provided.

OPs point was most of us can't burn 10k on a internet hobby project, and it costs probably 10x-100x more to train. How would you expect to provide people a free service? People are training it to open source right now, so please be patient.
Print, apply scissors to parts you want to redact, scan.

Foolproof, easy to explain to anyone, and 100% reliable.
Which actually illustrates the "no loyalty" point. A year is nothing. Staying that long doesn't demonstrate anything.

But nobody should be "loyal" to companies. Companies are certainly not "loyal" to them. To be clear, when I'm on the clock at a company, I'm all in -- they're paying me to be.

But off the clock, no. And I have no problem leaving a position when it's no longer beneficial to me. And employer-employee relationship is a business deal, nothing more.
That's not clear, that if Apple didn't do something, someone else would have. It might be true of technology when the elements of advancement are in the air, but this is about design. If Eiffel hadn't designed the Tower in Paris, you can't claim someone else would have. Or more clearly, if Jackson Pollack hadn't painted No. 5, we can't accurately claim it was inevitable someone else would have. There may have been a mobile web, but it isn't necessarily true that it would have been so restrictive. Apple created those tools, such as lock the page to prevent zooming, and it doesn't follow at all that someone else would have thought to prevent mobile browsers from zooming, even if someone else had come up with a zooming mobile browser. Beyond this, your argument is employing what's known as the fallacy of inevitability: nothing in history has ever been inevitable, and when you consider the chaotic nature of change over time, it should be obvious.
> What do you use?

Unfortunately, probably the browser that almost everyone else uses.
This film fell flat for me. If that was the director's intention, then job well done.

My friend with Irish relatives said it was a hilarious study of Irish stubbornness.

My favorite movie based in Ireland is The Field (1990), based on the play by Irish playwright John B. Keane. Profoundly dark, allegorical, haunting:

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0099566/
The first platform to solve this problem by offering a paid product that revenue shares back to the creator will get my $$$ as soon as I find it. I hoped this was what Spotify was up to, but clearly not. Youtube Premium could make an easy play in that space if they cared for it.

Dynamic ads ruin podcasts for me. Its the same 3 ads (often for other podcasts), and the technical execution leaves a lot to be desired. I'll often be listening to a podcast, only for it to repeat the last two minutes. That would be annoying by itself, but then the podcast cuts off 2 minutes before the actual end.
This example assumes a physically impossible infinitely-sharp corner and an Zeno-paradoxical infinitely small jump from the initial position to some other position after time T.

It shows that Newtonian mechanics is only an approximation of the real world.
It doesn't regurgitate any code unless you bait it really hard. That's not how you use it. The only code it normally regurgitates is your own when it tries to autocomplete your boilerplate.
Thanks for the feedback! Yeah the playground is a bit limited as it is for demo purposes.

We are fans of ChatGPT and think that ChatGPT is pretty complementary to tools like Copilot and Codeium. ChatGPT is helpful for longer form exploratory questions from natural language while Codeium in its current form is great to accelerate your coding.
I thought witches sink rather than float, though?
No, you e got it backwards. The train contains the bogey which contains the bearing which contains the axle.
This would be happening even without EVs. BMW is doing it for a lot of their gas cars, and other brands will follow.
> Type systems do not replace testing

They're a good substitute for many of the use cases of testing.

> if a test works after retrying it then it is probably not something that a type system would be able to catch.

Type systems are pretty good at catching incorrect concurrency logic these days, and getting better all the time.
VS is on the roadmap, Notepad++ isn't something currently on the roadmap, but we'd be totally open if someone wants to write an open source plugin for it, just like we did for Vim/Neovim (https://github.com/Exafunction/codeium.vim) and are planning on doing with Emacs!
Which is surprising since moving things out of Google is what the Alphabet structure is for.
I know most of the comments here are the politics of the situation, but I just want to point out the extreme irony of this sentence from the article:

> Researchers are undertaking some work to pin down a timeline of the virus’s initial spread. This includes efforts to trap bats in regions bordering China in search of viruses closely related to SARS-CoV-2;

There is significant concern that the mere act of having researchers wade around in bat caves looking for coronaviruses is a bad idea. As happens frequently, Zeynep Tufekci has some of the most reasonable, logical takes on the pandemic [1]:

> Many of these research practices weren’t deviations from international norms. A bat field researcher in the United States told me she now always wears a respirator in bat caves but that wasn’t standard practice before.

> It isn’t a wild idea to suggest that field research risks setting off an outbreak. Dr. Linfa Wang, a Chinese-Australian virologist based in Singapore who frequently works with Dr. Shi and pioneered the hypothesis that bats were behind the 2003 SARS epidemic, told Nature there is a small chance that this pandemic was seeded by a researcher inadvertently getting infected by an unknown virus while collecting bat samples in a cave.

There is also a good Twitter thread on this subject [2].

My vote is we stay the fuck out of trapping wild bats looking for viruses in the first place.

1. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/25/opinion/coronavirus-lab.h...

2. https://twitter.com/zeynep/status/1557378231342350343
Why? It's not like we're going to react to the next pandemic any better.
What I picture would be a Diablo style open world MMORPG with NPCs voiced by AI, quests generated by an AI that has information about the world as it has progressed over time, and the quests tailored to each person's character and play individually.

No more generic fetch quests. No more dungeon grinding. Adventures only, please!
Or follow the swing recipe from "Roger Linn on Swing, Groove and the Magic of the MPC's Timing (2013)":

https://www.attackmagazine.com/features/interview/roger-linn...

as previously discussed on HN (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34425861).
It's an unpopular opinion which is why I'll cowardly write it under a throwaway account. Josh, I have a ton of respect for your work just btw. I can't help but see a headline like this and think "Okay the license argument has to be the top comment already".

To me this whole thing is like pandora's box and it will not in any way be put back into the box. In the long run isn't arguing about the code it generates and how it generates it mostly tilting at windmills? I've already met new / junior programmers that have used copilot and chatgpt to help them see how to approach certain problems or try to get better framing for what they couldn't quite get into the most accurate words to google.

I too would prefer these tools embody the ideal: no license violation, perfect citation of where the archetypes of the code came from. I've commented here today (amongst some great FOSS software engineers) to see if a genuine respectful conversation can be had about how just like torrents this one isn't going to be put back in the box no matter how many legal precedents attempt (or succeed) in cutting off heads of the hydra. It's utility seems like it will steamroll any attempts to stop or slow it down.

Am I wrong? Is it a fools errand to ask?
The key word being "retain".

It's probably still sent to their servers.
Related to this is the idea of the tragedy of the commons, which if you consider the utilization of human and natural/capital resources, It almost seems like we are approaching the point at which everything needed for society, basic needs, and health is becoming over-utilized and under-optimized.
Old bing returns 0, when I asked that same question.

Did you try that same query, and what results did you get?
On the contrary, I don’t think there’s anything respectful about assuming that the OP doesn’t have the agency to decide for themselves whether they want to respond to my question or not.

Additionally, I don’t have a lot of respect for anyone with the ego to assume they know what information was withheld “deliberate”ly or not in a discussion like this. How do you know that?! How do you not see that the OP can make this decision for themselves?!
> You can't just tell people not to have human connections to their work.

Human connections are great and important. But feeling an attachment to the company is neither of those things. Have connections with people, not with instruments of economic production.
I prefer longer lines, and hate sites that force a narrow line length.
Marvis is my music app of choice, but it doesn’t have a way to save or bookmark Radio Shows, which is what OP is hoping for
5% of what?
Yeah, my statement went too far. I was just trying to emphasize that many aspects of a product will emerge from iterations, therefore 5-year plan sounds a gross waterfall model. That said, some planning is needed.
War? Pretty simple. Either they willingly pay reparations if they’re responsible or the world takes it from them.
Middle management happens.

When the company is smaller you get managers that are genuinely interested in growing the company – because that's what they grow too. Forget the 'mission' and such nonsense, noone truly cares about that. And the people that are highly visible early on tend to keep on growing their influence, organically.

However, at a certain size, they don't grow all that much if at all. Sure, the company might still be growing on sales numbers, but it's still mostly static. Some new divisions may pop up but they are usually satellite operations that may or may not matter in the long run. The next best alternative is to fight to move up the reporting chain. That means company growth or wellbeing no longer matters; in fact, cannibalizing existing products or whole divisions or bringing them under you is how managers grow. They do not care who or what they have to step on to make that happen.
This looks great. It looks like the existing VINDRIKTNING sensor, but with more sensors and compatible with their existing smarthome hub (which implies Zigbee connectivity, I think).

The only question is whether the fan will be as obnoxious as the one in the VINDRIKTNING. It’s audible and constantly spins up and down, so it’s extremely distracting. I often just unplug it for that reason, which is unfortunate.
Too bad it doesn’t monitor CO2 as well, but I guess the cost would be pretty different ?

Having a screen is still an improvement over their current monitor [0], and the out of the box hub support is sure a plus.

PS: to note, IKEA also has a new air purifier[1], but won’t benefit from any auto control apparently. Feels like a missed opportunity.

[0] https://www.ikea.com/us/en/p/vindriktning-air-quality-sensor...

[1] https://www.ikea.com/us/en/p/uppatvind-air-purifier-60498228...
The problem is that 'failing free' would incentivize people to disrupt charger communications; if you doubt that this is a real issue, look at the article posted earlier on HN, about people stealing Kias and Hyundais.
The example provided has nothing to do with computer architecture or efficiency. In fact if anything it's less efficient than what most computer architectures provide natively.

I'm questioning OP because I have strong doubts that he actually understands C's integer promotion rules that he can claim that it's basic stuff. They are very subtle and even C and C++ experts get bitten by them.
If you're using FAANG businesses as analogs for "humanity" and it's wilful stagnation, I think you're setting yourself up for disappointment. There are great advancements being made in open source, AI and the hardware industry. Science is always discovering new stuff, random people are always making hidden-gem libraries that are ready for you to use.

I think most people will be stagnant when the going gets good enough, and things are really good for tech right now. Regulation and higher standards will help balance the equation and encourage more novel innovation.
2D games can be made with anything. 3D action MMOs on the other hand need attention.
what else would you use for spacial subdivision? bsp trees?
Once you have enough karma (I forget the threshold several hundred but less than 1000) the downvote button is available to you yes.
In another universe, ECP brakes would have saved the day. It sounds like the Trump administration still deserves criticism for decaying train safety.
I've said it before and I'll say it again. The main reason we need bloated convoluted web frameworks with giant learning curves and a jillion gotcha's is because businesses want desktop-like GUI's and HTML/DOM/CSS/JS is ill-suited to emulate such, and perhaps stuck that way because fixing it will likely break backward compatibility.

Web is either missing or has screwed up too many common and expected GUI idioms:
https://www.reddit.com/r/CRUDology/comments/10ze9hu/missing_...

We need a state-ful GUI markup standard. It perhaps should piggy-back off the Tk or Qt GUI kits to avoid starting from scratch. Let's practice industry-wide KISS, DRY, and YAGNI. Past attempts are YAML (too static & convoluted), XUL (too convoluted), and QML (too proprietary).

With such a standard, developing GUI/CRUD apps could be more like using Delphi/Lazarus or WinForms, which are faaar more pleasant than webshit, at least for smallish projects. ("Enterprise" may need different tooling. One size doesn't fit all.)

Recent related HN story: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34696635
Do you see the future as a star trek style utopia or as a star wars style dystopia? Personally I used to see it as one but now as I get older I see it as the other.
Move on lol being this jealous and bitter will just hold you back
Gitpod/codeserver exist.
They are basically cloud vscode with server sidr containers.
So Tesla goes down momentarily, it's huge news. Meanwhile, try taking a road trip with a non-Tesla vehicle. You will quickly see that more than half the chargers are broken, and the other half charge at slow rates, and half the charger locations are off or not even there.