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Ask HN: ChatGPT and AI-like services do reward data owners?
As you all are aware, ChatGPT has been a buzzword for a few weeks now and, prior to that, other similar services like Dall-E, autopilot and so on have received similar attentions.

These services heavily leverage on publicly available data crawled from the internet to build models that are highly scalable in nature, providing an exponential benefit as compared as existing technologies (eg. Spending time searching across multiple websites)

The question is, are they rewarding the owners of the data that have been used to train this models? While you would like to brush it off easily by saying that they use public information that are freely available on internet, I'd like you to consider that:

First, it has been already proven that some services, like autopilot, have used GPL code during training of the model (which should force share-alike licensing terms)

Second, currently available licensing doesn't consider these use cases yet given that they're pretty new and started to popup just recently.

Why is this important? Well, first because if content creators are not rewarded for their work, they won't create content anymore and that would heavily influence the likelihood of having quality content to train new version of the model. While there are instances of quality content freely available (e.g. wikipedia) most of these cases are composed by no profit organizations that get fundings in a way or another.

Currently a big part of the web works in a very simple way: content creators create content, place some ads and, thanks to the traffic from search engines, get rewarded economically thanks to the ads revenue. Similarly, in other instances, there's a revenue sharing model (e.g. it's what has done the fortune of YouTube)

In future, if ChatGPT takes on, people could get information without even visiting a website, therefore not providing any sort of benefits to the content creator, which would likely stop to produce content (think about recipe websites)

Now that ChatGPT is going to charge 20$ per month per user, how much of this is going to reward who has provided the content (indirectly) instead of monetizing it only to the benefit of one company?
Age is no guarantee of wisdom, but it certainly is an indicator. In any case, I'm quite sure that I don't understand the point you're making here. You just listed a bunch of things that some people (both young and old) think and say about this tech.

What do you mean by "being old" here? What is it, concretely, that you want people to stop doing?
damn, i need to search a mouse...
Hahahahah. No. He won b/c he annoyed those people, to the delight of their parents.
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After Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot, you think religion is the worst thing ever created by the human race?
What would you do if they were?
Mercedes-Benz's new self-driving tech is turning up the heat on Tesla
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Absolutely not. In many contexts of discussion, I view loss of fake internet points as a good thing. For example, hop in a time machine and go back to HN circa 2016 and start blathering about how SQLite is the ultimate, final database solution for 95% of technology products. Seeing that point total go backwards was very empowering to me at the time. Today, this is a textbook karma farming crop.

I also make a point to thoroughly review any comments that are dead/flagged/nearly-invisible for any controversy that is otherwise in the spirit of this community. I'll happily vouch for every one of those, even if there is some consequence to my account standing.
The problem with this is that the wealth of the rich wouldn't pay for much earnings.

I mean people complain about medicine as well. And then you check. If we fully nationalized all pharma, and put their profits at zero (but kept development going) ... that would mostly be a 10% drop in the cost of medicine on average at most (more like 2-3% for the really common ones), 20% for some of the more expensive ones and there would be the exceptional medication getting 25% off.

This is not the price reductions for medicine that people are looking for when they're complaining ...

I suspect this is similar. If you redirected all profits to employees, it would be those sorts of numbers. 10% more. 20% more, with 30-60% of the increase going to the state. 100% and more increases would be limited to some companies that are already paying pretty well, like Google or Facebook.

So this simply does not provide a solution.
I have a tax pro for this very reason, but my understanding is that you have a choice on how you want the tax treatment -- you can deduct it now as a business expense or over five years as R&D, which gives you a better tax deduction in the long run but fewer up front benefits. But at the end of the day I pay the tax guy to worry about it for me.
https://archive.is/QZW9X
This article starts out with a gross inaccuracy that is often repeated, but is not true.

Donald Trump did not say that the news media is the enemy of the people. He said that the fake news is the enemy of the people.

Those are almost identical phrases, but that slight difference has a completely different meaning: media is good, but lying media is bad.

Can you wonder why Americans have lost trust in the news? Even an article purporting to clear things up for us starts out being misleading.
What about the caterpillars and beetles the author found?
I remember stories of famous authors using one-off word processor devices (imagine: old LCD that can only show about 5 lines of text, and the device can hold a megabyte of crap in some sort of flash or something similar) from back in the day. Basically the minimal step up of computerization from the typewriter.

What else does a writer really need?
> It's obvious that Killingly cops are just bored assholes on complete power trips.

Yep. TFA: "that there are registered sex offenders all over town that could take them" -- Police should be arresting the shit out of those criminals, not innocent people.

Congratulations, police, by arresting innocent parents you just traumatized some kids, and if they become criminals because they grew up in foster care missing their actually good parents, you have blood on your hands. (I know they dropped charges, but in the shitty slow legal system we have, it's a real possibility this could have played out differently.)

Fix the town so innocent people can live sane lives in it.
If you watch Corridor Crew on YouTube (some special effects guys who I think are really on the cutting edge), they’ve got some excellent videos showing how much better the AI/ML de-aging is compared to doing it by hand. I think there’s a really good one with Luke Skywalker somewhere, but I don’t have the time to look it up.
How could you rewrite that paragraph without bias? That seems an impossible task to me because there is no objectively truthful way to describe someone accused of a political crime.
Opposite (lack of water rather than an excess) reason than GP, but still a climate change (drought is a result of climate change) induced problem. Building foundations in Back Bay will crumble if there is an extended period of drought there.

https://www.wcvb.com/article/back-bay-foundations-could-sink...
It is a myth that Americans ever had faith in the News (any more than they have had faith in Politics).

For about 250 years (in the US), newspapers have been mostly political rags. They rose to popularity as a way for a single person or group to spread propaganda. Around 1900 they shifted from political rags to scandal-themed yellow journalism, and later turned more "professional", but never lost their slant towards ideologies, social/economic classes, trades, etc. The powerful have always controlled, influenced, and suppressed them. They've never been objective.

We've thought about the news as entertainment for the last 50 years. The movie Network came out in 1976, and predicted the abandonment of "balanced" journalism and information in favor of entertainment and profit. We've also known that the news may be staged, selectively covered, biased, and have a leading agenda in the stories they cover and how they cover them. And I mean, come on: Editorials? Literally just a biased person shouting their biased opinions, as if they have the right to speak for every reader?

The news has always been bullshit. Useful bullshit, but still bullshit. Anyone who thinks what they read is "true" doesn't understand the concept of truth.
Unfortunately the social workers are just police without guns. They have the same law enforcement problem: the people who apply for the jobs are the ones who want to abuse people. They aren't servants of the law, they want to use the law as a weapon. The good social workers are in private clinics and schools.

Law Enforcment social workers should be drafted from the general practice pool like jury duty.
What's your opinion on consumer devices like this for tDCS? https://caputron.com/products/brain-premier?variant=42105224...
Chat GPT + Blockchain is the birth of the real Web 3.0 and it's going to be wild and weird but ultimately it's going to be an improvement.

AI is the use case blockchain didn't know it was looking for.

The exaflod of content and deep fakes, etc. that's coming towards everyone soon will require some sort of trust protocol, blockchain is great for that.
I can help you find the address of your local police department if you need some more boots to lick.
Just like Murdoch amirite?
Not about the format here; but I was interested in the image for “Brother Rat” downplaying Ronald Reagan’s billing, whereas the three posters available on IMDB has him basically on top billing.

Wonder what changed…
That's why providing people with a baseline of government dormitories, government rice, cheese, and beans, government medical care, and government education is critical to prevent the worst of the possible exploitations.

Once that baseline is guaranteed, it's a much cleaner argument that Joe freely decided to work in a job moving heavy things around because he valued having a more pleasurable existence, rather than saying it was because he didn't want to slowly starve to death.

No one wants to wake up at 4 AM and farm the land, to clean other people's shit out of a septic tank, or to wipe an incontinent 90 year old's ass. But all of those things need to be done and if we look at the history various economic systems, it seems like there's a lot to be gained in societal wealth, comfort, and advancement from one particular flavor over the others that we've tried.

Giving everyone a safety net I believe is good and prevents exploitation. Giving everyone a hammock I believe is bad and prevents societal advancement.
"Everything else that's been done and commercially available has always required a human to pay attention. And Mercedes is saying for extended periods you don't have to do that," Smith said. "That upends a century plus of motor vehicle development."
Nobody knows anything for sure.

We know for sure that "bad behavior" is fairly common in this unregulated "marketplace". If it's easy and possible and profitable, someone is going to do it.

This alone is sufficient to deter a lot of sensible investors.
If you have the time to watch it, this Munk Debate on "Don't Trust the Mainstream Media" is a good articulation of both sides.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vkgROIINEs

At the beginning, the audience was evenly split on the motion (48/52). 82% said they were open to changing their minds over the course of the debate.

At the end, audience was 67/33 (!!) in favor of the motion, apparently one of the largest swings in Munk debate history.

The heart of it is a cabal who think they are "right", feeling no compunction about using whatever means necessary to make everyone else submit to their obviously correct worldview. The Twitter Files came out after this debate, but oh boy the rout would have been even sweeter had that been out at the time.

Murray and Taibbi were talking straight. Gladwell and Goldberg were dissembling and side-stepping and strawmanning. I think it was that intellectual dishonesty that the audience ultimately picked up on.
When I compare this √(3x3+4x4) expression mixing infix or prefix operators with specific precedences and orders of evaluation to this one (√ (+ (x 3 3) (x 4 4))) coming with a unique and systematic syntax (operator values), which is nothing but a short notation for « take the square root of the sum of the product of 3 and 3 and the product of 4 and 4 » and which is easy to evaluate from inside out, in 3 steps (√ (+ 9 16)), then (√ 25) and finally in 5, when I compare them I understand why so many peaple don't like maths. You believe that 1+2x3+4 is easy to understand but it's not, too many things are behind the cap, beginning with precedence. There is nothing under the cap with (+ 1 (x 2 3) 4), when you know that (operator values) says replace values by what is returned by the operator and when you know that evaluation is always done from inside out. Let alone "special expressions" - like lambdas - but it's another thing.
Assuming that your shop took in 1.5M in revenue, then yes it would be (500k + 0.9 * 1M) because for the first year you only get 1/10th of the deduction.

So it's like:

Year 1: 0.1
Year 2-5: 0.2
Year 6: 0.1
>> Eastern bloc level authoritarianism

> That is uncalled for, I know a ton of people that grew up in Warsaw Pact countries and they could in fact walk to Babushka's Dumpling Shop and back without getting their parents arrested.

I gently suggest that you might be missing the forest for the trees here. OP is referring to the well documented (Eastern block level authoritarianism) practices of bringing the machinery of the state down on the head of the average citizen for minor infractions (whether or not they are really infractions) with consequences (arrests, professional and social consequences, disappearance, torture, gulags) out of all proportion to the crime (whether or not an actual crime rooted in principles of natural justice is involved).
So many great points in here! Ben Franklin ref is gold.
Cybercrime groups offer six-figure salaries and bonuses to attract talent
Telling that you invoke those leaders rather than the countries of northern Europe. In any case, I can't tell how your original comment aligned with the discussion about carbon offset credits, or more off-topic, how you think limiting carbon output is somehow not a worthy goal of reducing climate change.
Is this some kind of elaborate parody because this article is a prime example of why people don’t trust the press. And here I thought they were going to say that it’s because the press sold out to power and now just prints lies or convenient half-truths.
cops are terrified babies and credulous morons who will believe anything
> You can't teun those LLM models locally though ... all of its legal liabilities?

There are complete Leaks already online/public (like wikileaks.org). Also, I believe you can do vector search (and even AI summarization) locally. For TBs though, I don't know, yeah, it is maybe too intensive.

> Also snowden ... no other place to stay in.

Fair enough
I think it's too late.

https://european-pirateparty.eu/parliament-approves-chatcont...

https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/posts/chat-control/
De-aging in latest season of Stranger Things was very bad and obvious. Not sure what company was doing it.
I grew up in a rural area, small town in western PA. Woods existed, but you couldn't use them. Firstly, how could I get there? There were no sidewalks, and riding a bike anywhere on the road with all the hills and blind corners would be suicide. Any fields nearby were fenced off. Any woods nearby were forbidden by great big NO TRESPASSING notices every 50 feet, and I didn't put it past them to shoot a child for trespassing. Every other property had an unleashed dog waiting to pounce on you for getting within sniffing distance of the property line. Thus I spent all of my time indoors playing Civ 4. In my experience, rural areas are designed for cars and are populated by people who wish they didn't have neighbors.
> Action mode focuses on surviving a danger right now. This is the fight or flight mechanism that our brain when it is in an adverse situation. The response is driven by the sympathetic nervous system. It drives up your heart rate, raises blood pressure, dilates your pupil among other things.

It also affects the way we think, and make decisions.

When we are in "action mode," our thinking becomes fairly "binary," and extreme (eg. "Good|Bad", "Fight|Flight", "Hate|Love").

It also focuses on short-term results, and is biased towards assured results, as opposed to "possible" ones.

That's why I find I need to back away from the computer, when I find myself in a stressball. I make bad decisions.

Managers, politicians, and demagogues of all stripes, have used this for centuries, to get people to support their agendas.
What keeps it going is adverts to the low rep users who can't turn them off.

They tend to use google to search and then find the SO answer. Yes trhey tend to be beginners and ask the same questions as the beginners 10 years ago. Thus the rep from your old question keeps growing.
It's not that much of an exaggeration to say that the default role of newspapers is to provoke political, ethnic, and religious pogroms and to advance various hackneyed agendas.

The brief time in the US that coincided with a relatively trusted news establishment coincided with a lot of painstaking efforts at professionalization and projecting an aura of critical neutrality. Customers stopped wanting that, and the professionals were too expensive anyway. Now, we're back to pogrom-of-the-month club journalism, sometimes mostly digital but sometimes also in reality.
my team consists of devs with an average of 2 years of experience.

What I'd do. Dont let them write apps from scratch. Or you'll get tech debt and a team with low morale and skills. Have seniors do prototypes and refactors. Reward seniors who it well. Dont reward seniors who dont beat deadlines and keep on doing meetings.
All these terrible experiences people vent about the American police force largely have to do with the fact that it's completely underfunded and poorly trained. In the US the average time to become a police officer is around 600 hours, in Germany 3500 and Finland 5500 hours [0]. If you pay police officers a shitty wage and let them do long, strenuous shifts - the only people who sign up for that kind of job are those with some external motivator other than money. In the best case they wanna help their community out but in many cases it's power hungry people who feel empowered carrying a gun and stopping traffic at will. The solution to fight that is simple: Pay higher salaries, have more competition among the applicants and only select those that pass a thorough barrage of physical and psychological tests.

[0]: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-56834733
What a waste of time and taxpayer dollars. If we want to fix policing in the US we need to do three things immediately:

1. Revoke qualified immunity

2. Educational requirements beyond a HS diploma

3. Internal Affairs should not be managed by the people they're investigating, it should be a citizen led committee that has no involvement with the department but can fire officers at will pending an actual investigation.
Fear of "Drug dealers and sex offenders" isn't a car culture problem.

A rapist can follow you to your apartment door.
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The weapon’s range is 100 miles. Which large sections of Russian could they reach at this point? Also, what is within reach of 100 miles of the Ukrainian border, assuming at some point it’s reached again?
No worries, I thought it was a good analogy.
Even the people who professionally do taxes (Accountants) can barely understand it and are debating it. It's utter insanity
You wouldn't call Jim Gordon a Batman, after all
Seems like both sides want that
Your first sentence will be the same sentence used to justify the AI models that will be used by the government to impose other tyrannical laws in other areas of your life besides climate change. And they will wash their hands of responsibility by saying "we trusted the best models at the time made by the best experts!"

But the whole thing is just misdirection for their tyrannical desires. It's already working on you and you are wondering how it will ever work. Which is why I mentioned cognitive dissonance.
> my existence has been an elaborate generative hallucination all along.

Consider the fact that there is no objective 'blue', there is a wavelength with a particular frequency measured in hertz, but the wavelength is not the same thing as what we know to be color...

See, what happens is: a photon (oscillating at a frequency) hits a rod or cone in your eye tuned to detect that frequency of light: which travels down the optic nerve as an electro-chemical signal (no more photons involved at all at this point). Which eventually turns into a chemical reaction in your brain. That chemical reaction is 'blue' to us - not the photon that never reaches this point nor even the original frequency: just our brain's translated chemical signal; it's interpretation of 'blue'.

Blue is your brain hallucinating what it thinks that frequency actually is... blue is a "guess" at reality...

So yes, your brain IS generating an elaborate hallucination after all.
That's true recently. But only recently have political alignments been so rigid and predictable in the United States. California went for the Republicans from 1968–92, and before that was somewhat swingy.

More generally, any single-winner election system is prone to a "Rawlsian compromise": something that works out well for 51% of people and poorly for the other 49%. This still isn't so bad if things are changing now and then. But we've been stuck with Clintonist "preachy" Democrats and Gingrichite "edgy" Republicans for nearly my whole life.