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Obviously a startup doesn't want to be copied this way, but if the company making the clones is actually good at getting users internationally, could this end up being a net win for the original company? The clone gets popular in other countries, then gets bought by the original who gets immediate presence in other markets in return. Seems like in at least some circumstances it could work out. Maybe?
Wow. That Russian one is even using assets scraped directly from the pinterest site.
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I'm sympathetic, but I can't say I agree with this:

"Shit like this should be illegal, but it’s not."

Especially given the SOPA/PIPA/IP discussions that have occurred here in just the last 24 hours.
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Because they're not doing math?

Seriously - what is the useful model for a router or malloc?

Oh, and Babbage was not the first person to write an algorithm.
It would fail after people learned how they were being graded. See also: Goodhart's Law

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goodhart%27s_law
I agree it "sucks" however I do not agree it should be "illegal" We would just end up with SOPA 2.0

Seriously can you imagine the chilling effect it would have if it were made illegal?

Facebook would never have made it under that kind of law because they would have claimed it was a knockoff of Myspace/friendster/hi5/ "insert social network here".
How does this distinction reframe the SOPA debate?
From the standpoint of someone using those search engines, it's a lot easier now to find things. And there are more things to find. I don't remember the likes of Altavista and Ask Jeeves with much fondness.
Any system of ethics or rights or whatever the hell you want to call it that does not include 'the right of women to vote' is shit and not worthy of consideration.

Rights are not given, nor bestowed. They cannot be given up or taken away. Any other conceptual system of "rights" is bullshit pandering to those who wish to oppress.
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But. I still stubbornly believe the whole “private members accessed via accessors” thing in java is bullcrap for internal projects. It adds piles of useless boilerplate code for absolutely no gain when you can just right click a field and chose “add setter/getter” if you NEED an accessor in the future.
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YES.
Correct: Maslow's Window

You get them to settle for something they would not have even considered if the first demands were not so ludicrous.

Effective Technique.
This is almost exactly the same path I've taken to learn Python/Django. Right now I'm at where you were at the end of Week2 (stopped at Chpt8 in DjangoBook for same reasons), and have been trying to narrow down a good next step to help me fill-in some gaps in setting up a Django site I had in mind.

'Django by Example' seems like it's what I've been looking for, surprised I missed it when gathering resources.

Good luck building your app and thanks for sharing, will be keeping watch of your blog!
Hot startups, beware.

Of what though? I think this is a natural phenomenon that will happen in any competitive environment. The guys doing it are scumbags, but there's nothing to beware because there's nothing you can do to prevent it.
What we really need is a constitutional amendment that forbids government interference with internet infrastructure. The internet needs to be protected by laws that recognize it as an essential public utility.

A free and open internet is essential to the safeguarding of freedom of communication and to the economic health of the world.

Basic internet access must be recognized as a human right.
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I remember seeing that, you're right. I believe it's actually in Extreme Programming Explained, or in one of those other core books. If I recall correctly, the guideline was to avoid pair work at maximum intensity for longer than 4 hours (small breaks are implied).
This is really good news. It actually sort of reaffirms there's at least something theoretically correct about our government.

While we complain a lot about money in politics, and it is a problem, ultimately we do have control over them if we pay enough attention.
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is pinterest really localized at all? i get how something like airBnB merits an international clone, but how does an international version of pinterest do anything that regular pinterest doesn't?
Because we don't really do math? I mean Architects do math too right, but I don't think they have a problem with saying their job isn't really math (even though it's probably a lot of math, but it's also a lot of design).
Eh, there seem to be a good number of black pots for sale on amazon, though they are undoubtedly black for other reasons than pots used to be black for. I have a cast iron kettle that I use as a door stop that's also quite black, though I do suspect it's rather old.

First result for "pot": http://www.amazon.com/Cuisinart-619-16-Nonstick-Hard-Anodize...
The current debate is framed by the presumption that "intellectual property" is a fundamental right that must be protected, and the disagreement is only over the means by which this is done and the collateral damage that results. Questioning the premise of "intellectual property" (and, by extension, "online piracy") makes the position of SOPA's supporters less tenable.
is http://www.pinspire.com/ down? "The service is temporarily unavailable. Please try again later."
I guess its obvious, but I am (mainly) a self-taught programmer, and I think that you really don't know what you are talking about.

When I was around seven years old, we had a Tandy Color Computer 2. I wore out the book that came with that, playing with BASIC. We also had a Vic 20, a TI-99a and an Ohio Scientific, and eventually an IBM AT compatible. For years, I spent a lot of time playing with short BASIC programs.

Eventually, maybe around seventh grade, I got a book called Turbo Pascal Disk Tutor (or something like that). I loved that book and I spent many months studying the book and doing the exercises. I was very serious about learning object-oriented programming. Over the next couple of years I experimented with a simple wireframe 3D CAD-like program. I became very familiar with abstraction, polymorphism and other object-oriented concepts before I entered the 9th grade.

Anyway, I'm not going to list every single program I ever wrote or design pattern or programming language or concept I taught myself, but the point is, I did read books and learn a lot of things that are actually apparently missing from many undergrad and even graduate CS-like programs. A guy at Stanford just recently came out with a Rails course partly about software engineering, which apparently is practically revolutionary. There is more contemporary software engineering baked into Rails than what probably more than half of CS or even SE graduates in the last five or ten years ever saw in their courses.

And ever since I dropped out of college (only took like two CS-related courses while I was there), I have been extremely motivated to learn as much about CS and software engineering as I can, mainly because of attitudes like yours.
Python can do this: http://docs.python.org/library/functions.html#property
Link works fine for me as well.
>> could this end up being a net win for the original company?

Yes. Obviously the original companies consider it a net win, otherwise they wouldn't buy the clone.

They value the clone more than the money they're paying for it.
I actually think you are right on my concern is less that they spent the money, but how and how well was it executed. I think it was poorly executed on. I wish I were the agency or development firm because I would have milked this for all it was worth.
You're right, edited. Fuck SOPA/PIPA and internet regulation.
but didn't the article say that the brothers launched in markets that the original had yet to enter?
Looks cool :) Like it. Some quick suggestions:

1) Show the URL of each link following the Title/Description (search-result style)

2) Make a browsable directory of topics/categories (possibly two levels: Topic/Sub-Topic, general web directory style). Next, allow bundle creators to submit/tag each bundle under a category.

This way, users interested in finding/browsing links of particular topics can find them all easily.

HTH and all the best. (Let me know if you need any more specifics/help - we've been building general/niche directories for almost a decade.)
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>> Shit like this should be illegal, but it’s not.

This is competition.

It may make things tougher for the original company, but free competition in a marketplace is always good for the consumer.

If you made this illegal, you're just going to create monopolies where there weren't monopolies beforehand.
I'd think so, those were first steps.
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Fashion and you is an online shopping website that offers all those products that can be roofed under the broad category of fashion. It includes apparels, fragrances, home decors, accessories, cosmetics and much more.
I have no experience with any of the rest of their ripoff sites, but Wimdu sucks. I mean, hard. Read just their front page copy, never mind digging deeper.

We got calls from idiots perpetually asking us to sign up with them - through many, many requests to knock it off. It's the phone equivalent of the spam Airbnb got pinned on last year. The especially stupid part was that we already were.
The ability to opt out was very strongly backed by the UK government. I don't know if any other EU countries do it.

Although many companies ask you to opt out, they must not force you to do so. In addition an employee can opt in again with a certain amount of notice.
Some sort of strange Jedi Mind trick. I don't even...
If this is true, this will be revolutionary. It means if one spends $50 on a device generating 1 kW of thermal power, or about 300 W of electric power (due to inefficiencies of steam-turbines), the average amortized cost per electric kWh over 1 year would be about $0.02/kWh. This is 1/5th the average worldwide domestic electricity price ($0.10/kWh)!
I do not say that copyrights (and patents) are illegitimate by nature. All I'm saying is that it's important to keep in mind why copyrights exist: it is not because the Founders thought it was a fundamental, inalienable right, it is because IP is a pragmatic solution to a practical problem: how do you encourage people to put forth the effort required to invent things and create art? The default state is not that people have a "right" to their work, the default state is that everything is in the public domain, and copyrights and patents are a deviation from that ideal. They are a legitimate deviation for a legitimate purpose, but a deviation nonetheless. I think that it becomes clearer that SOPA is illegitimate when viewed with that perspective.
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In India, not many people have access to a decent education let alone access to the internet where you can freely read up on any medication that you are prescribed. Many of the doctors here are assholes who will prescribe antibiotics for even the common cold saying "most of our patients want antibiotics so we give it to them".

I wouldn't call the average person without the access to knowledge and resources that the average HN user has a terrible person for abusing antibiotics in this fashion but in my opinion, swizec should know better.
Haskell's advantages lie in being pure. It can't be 'friendlier,' because friendly languages let you hack things up (and are impure) as opposed to the planning required to lay down some Haskell.
I only know what it means because of Impecunious Davis. http://library.duke.edu/digitalcollections/hasm_b0714/
I think if you have two developers continue this conversation to its logical conclusion with bouts of coding and testing interspersed, you will bill $10k.
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I'm aware. I suppose I think of the theorems as less interesting though usually.
That doesn't make it a net win. The fact that, given that the clone exists, they prefer buying it to not buying it doesn't mean they prefer the clone existing to it not existing.
Would they end up being a competitor to your site? if so why would you deal with them. or do they want it for some kind of internal tool?
You could sell them a license to run a custom version on their own system.
Are they looking for you to make all the changes? then to support it? do they want the source?
I was hoping for an explanation of how the current arguments draw power from the distinction between 'fundamental' vs. 'government granted' rights. Simply restating that "the debate is framed that way" provides no such explanation.

The position of SOPA's supporters is "hey government, there are people stealing our work on a massive scale; fucking do something about it." The actual enforcement mechanisms in the bill have taken center stage in the debate because that position statement is credible (and obviously so).

I did not hear the author's post as questioning authorship as a concept, or the fact that U.S. law recognizes authorship as an activity which confers upon the author legal rights (or are we calling all of those 'privileges' now?) that are not granted to everyone else.
This is no victory. Victory is when the bill gets thrown away, gets burned, and then we never have to hear about something like this again. Until that happens, we need to pressure on, and stay vigilant.
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After all, if we were only interested in deconstructing finished products, there would be no Food Network.

Not quite. The food network is mostly about recipes that have already been created and tested. The equivalent would be putting up the git commits after the project is ready.
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You're on news.ycombinator.com, a site emphasizing on startups, app development, and dare I say, generating revenue. I'd say the answer is 'pretty much everyone here'.
There are over 20 clones of pinterests in China, some of which have already raised multi-million dollar rounds:

http://huaban.com/
http://www.mishang.com/
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Andrew, you mean conscience, not "conscious."
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The real concern for the 'no-fly list' or 'terrorist watch list' is that it can, and probably is or will be, used as a general shitlist for dissenters (i.e., anyone who voices a problem with their government). That can transition into generalized free-speech quashing and worse faster than people think.

http://www.aclu.org/technology-and-liberty/watch-lists

I am actually a little bit afraid to fly now because of numerous comments I have made about the US involvement in forcing the Afghani people to produce heroin etc. I expect I may actually be on this "terrorist watch list" just based on my comments online.
I think you've put your finger on it: the biggest danger of people copying you is not the competition, but that anger at them will distract you.

As competitors they're not as dangerous as they seem. Copying someone can tell you what to do, but it can't tell you why you're doing it, and you're probably not going to do something well if you don't know why you're doing it.
It isn't very clear from how you get from text mining to tasks.
Never heard of Pinterest before, so had to Google for it. Andrew your sympathies clearly lie with Pinterest, so you might want to provide a link to it to (instead of Pinspire, which you have helpfully linked to).
I'm writing a bunch of webapps in Scala making heavy use of Scalaz, which is Scala's Haskell-envy library of typeclasses. The typical pattern is to compute everything as a Validation, which you can think of as the Maybe monad, except there is information attached to the failure case. It's a very nice way of coding. Everything composes and at the end of the request handling chain you just convert to a response and you're done.

It took a bit of thinking to get the basic patterns, and there is the occasional bit of head scratching to get the type right. This feels very much like algebra.

Anyway, the point is that this style of programming is both "mathematical" and practical.
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DHS is too inconsistent to be credible. The only flight I've ever missed (I was running late to a wedding), I missed because I had a tube of toothpaste in my carry-on. It was found to be small enough to be acceptable, but not until it had gone through a second round of X-ray.

On another occasion, I was equally late to a connection flight (this time, not my fault), and I got through security despite having a bottle of water, a toiletry kit (including 5" blades), etc.

Why? Well, I don't know and I don't really care. The fact of the matter is that they will give me an aluminum can on the flight anyway, so who cares how long of a blade I bring onboard in the first place? It's security theater no matter how you slice it.
I don't see why this was downvoted - of interest to the discussion and has relevant links

And it's pretty interesting that we notice the 'Western' clones of businesses but not necessarily the Asian clones (which have a potential impact/reach orders of magnitude higher)
You're reading way more into my post than I intended. Like I said, the jury's still out on what precisely happened, it's doubtful Google has yet figured out just what exactly occurred.

My post was responding to jrockway, who seemed to suggest that, because employee freedom leads to innovation and Good Things(tm), that people should simply let things like this slide with an apology, and chalk it up to a price of innovation. That's a load of crap. Real, provable damages needs to be corrected where possible, and compensated where it isn't.

He also didn't seem to be able to imagine any form of remedial action more than apologizing and disciplinary action - as if the real damage caused to another business is but a detail, or something hopelessly unfixable - neither of which are true.

tl;dr: Google probably (probably) is going to make this right, especially with this much flak directed at them. If jrockway was in charge of Google, though, I wouldn't expect the same.
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I find it sad that the dating world has come up in this discussion. While I understand where the points came from, I don't believe that anyone's perception of anyone else as a potential sexual/romantic partner has a place in a discussion about the working world. Whether or not women are attracted to a particular person, to a particular programmer, or to the stereotype of a "programmer", has no bearing on their ability to program.
>The use of the word "securing" is deliberate.

I believe you are suggesting that like Freedom of Speech, the "right" to control a Writing or Discovery exists without the constitution. Your evidence is the use of the word "securing", to suggest that the Founders also believed that right existed already.

However, I assert that in fact we all have Rights to everyone's Writings and Discoveries as soon as they are shared. Therefore, I read the constitution as saying:

"We all have rights to Writings and Discoveries, but to promote the progress of science and useful arts, we will limit these rights exclusively to the authors and inventors for a limited time."

If, as you suggest, the Founders had believed that the right of an Author to his or her Writings existed and was natural, then in order to allow a Writing to join the public domain they would have had to have said:

"To secure the common good, we shall limit an Authors and Inventors Natural Right to their Writings and Discoveries to a period of time, after which they shall belong to the commons."

The Founders clearly did not believe that Authors had such natural rights.

And its not Property. Its information.
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Project this onto math, and we all could be Ramanujan or Galois with the right investment of time, right? Of course not. People differ in level of intelligence, and this is a fact. Some programmers are just brilliant people - had they chosen math they would probably be professors churning out papers. Some others just don't have the mental skills required.

This isn't about race or gender or whatever - just innate difference between individuals.
In Australia, you'd just need to include the long title. From the Australian drafting procedures (instructions given to Federal lawyers who make sure the politicians haven't made a mess of the legislation):

"the drafting of the long title is very important as the long title must encompass all the matters included in the Bill. If there are matters that are not covered by the long title, the Bill may need to be withdrawn from Parliament and then reintroduced. "

A title like "Patriot Act" would be thrown out.

You could appoint drafters to do it, but I guess Americans trust politicians more than the government.

If you want politicians to do it, you could give the "Ayes" 50 words, and the "Nays" 40 words. If they really can't agree on words, you could give every member a word, and if they get together with 6 other people they agree with they can put in a seven word sentence (for or against the bill). If a majority are in favor of a bill, and the minority against it can't think of anything really wrong with it, then it's either a good bill or you need either a new democratic system or a tin-foil hat.
I wonder what the "appropriate action" will consist of.
I'm tired of this alarmist tone.
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>And for the record I don't consider semi-technical entrepreneur to be the definition of hacker I apply to myself. For me it's more about someone who can take two things and make something new with them, regardless if they should be able to or not.

Do you see the distinction I am trying to make, though? and how the crowd here, people that are interested in both business and technical problems is different from the sort of person that is only interested in technical problems, and why making that distinction would be useful?
So it would seem that the outrage of the author is misplaced. The emphasis is put on the fact that the sites are being cloned, but that is not where the value lies. The value is in gaining traction in international markets. This practice seems perfectly legitimate to me. The straw man in this article is developed from the belief that the raw value of a startup comes only from the software.
They say leaders have target on their back.

It sucks but unfortunately if your business is successful and it can be cloned it will be cloned: there is 5B people in the world and some these 5B will do it. There will be clones in Russia, in China, in Bulgaria, in Germany, everywhere: depending on how hard it is to replicate/clone.

Unfortunately, it is relatively easy to clone the software part of http://pinterest.com/ so that will be cloned.
I guess finding these sites, then prosecuting the owners through existing legal channels is just too damned hard.