skysight-inc/HackerNews huggingface dataset:
> I could easily see myself having to pay $30 a month or more for all the services that are probably funded by spying on me, if they had to use a different business model.

I think this is the problem with big tech right now. We all know an email service doesn’t cost 30/month and generate hundred billion dollar companies with $300k programmer salaries. But adtech makes it so.
Or, they apply less weight to fringe narratives, because, well, gestures at Internet.
Of course it's the new IE. What else would it be? It's all relative, and relatively it's the worst at implementing UX and standards (across mobile and desktop) compared to the rest of the field.

Just because it doesn't exactly match up to the same scenario of IE6 doesn't takeaway from the point that you can develop for everything else easily, then must deal with Safari's failures specifically.
What do date pickers in other browsers look like?
Yes, but Firefox focus is Safari. Chrome is safari.

iPhones aren't allowed to have web browsers that aren't running Safari on the back end. They can have different names, different UIs, but at the end of the day it's the same browser.
And all of those are using the Safari rendering/layout engine.
Isn't that Flutter?
I’ve heard that due to the militia system, an insanely large number of Americans participated in the revolution.

Much higher than the conscript armies of the 20th century - possibly as high as 13%. That’s greater mobilization than in WWII.
That's literally what I'm now doing for Safari, though. There are very, very few things that don't work automatically across Firefox and Chrome/Chromium/Edgium, but quite a lot where Safari wants it differently. Having to type 'apple' (apple-touch-icon) or 'webkit' (-webkit-text-fill-color) literally into your code is a bad thing in my opinion.
Twitter as a public platform has a duty to uphold freedom of speech and not censor viewpoints it doesn't like.

Amazing that people in a country founded on free speech are trying to defend censorship.
The technique I have used for the magpies in my backyard is: leave them alone. Eventually they learn that you are not a threat and quite happily continue their everyday business even if you're nearby, without turning into a demanding pest.
The American public lost faith in all those institutions in the 1970s. COVID didn't make a dent. Hell, we already stopped trusting science in general well before COVID-19. Our authority figures are largely ignored in favor of whoever shouts the loudest and angriest. We elect maniacal buffoons from TV rather than experienced, trustworthy, decent human beings (and again, that started in the 80s).

People will always swallow a magic pill that fixes all their problems. What changes is the form the pill takes and who's selling it.
Huh? You're not making a coherent argument.
I've been struggling for about a week to figure out how to install Guix System on an old spare laptop. Installer seems to run fine from USB, but I get a whole-system lockup if I try to run even `sudo echo foo` on the resulting system (using all defaults). Using a custom `config.scm` I just get an obscure error upon attempting first login (passwordless root).

Reached out briefly for help on the IRC with no response, same with the guix-help mailing list.

Guix seems really interesting, I'd like to learn some lisp, and I eventually even got an aarch64 Guix System VM running on my M1 Mac... but today I finally gave up and just installed NixOS on the same laptop (actually NIXOS_LUSTRATE over Arch on a BTRFS multi-subvol root). Went without a hitch.
Novell did everything too late.

I remember seeing Novell's Enterprise Linux Desktop and thinking: "Years ago this would have been great competition for Windows!"
Passwords for nextcloud
no you don't. you have safari with a re-skin to make it look like a different browser
>They gave their desktop OS and their server OS the same name. And even though everyone that mattered knew they weren't the same,

Technically? They were the same. A regedit or two and your NT Workstation is now NT Server.
Los Angeles County.

> Or perhaps you are mistakenly under the impression

Not the case. We've been using the lake for 25 years. I know most of the lifeguards, including the director of the department. They know me well because I used to get into the lake on my kayak with a dry-suit in full-blown Santa Ana winds. In other words, over the years, they came to understand it was unlikely they would have to rescue me or my kids.

Anyhow, one day I was there with my German Shepherds just hanging out, walking on the beech. The director of the lifeguards just happened to be on the patrol boat on duty that day. He came over to say hi and very clearly told me something akin to "You know, Martin, I could site you and even arrest you for getting your feet into the water anywhere in this lake". That led to something like "You have to be fucking kidding me". "No, I am not". And then we had a conversation.

He didn't like it any more than I did. Now that I remember, he did make mention of people drowning and lawsuits. I'm pretty sure that's the genesis of the regulation. While I can't find the rule in writing, I recall having seen a document with this information (this was probably 15 years ago).
The only truth is the memory and disk contents of the devices that make up your cloud. Everything else is an abstraction of that, which discards data and potentially is out of sync with reality.
If I could upvote this 1000 times, then I would.
The date picker only defaults to today's date if they don't specify a default value.

Tbh I think setting a default value might actually have been a better solution. It's not perfect, but hacking together your own alternative could lead to a number of issues for folks relying on screen readers and other input devices. The `type="date"` gives a lot of semantic meaning that `type="number"` lacks.

If you're gonna ditch it, I'd say at least use an existing external library that's been battle tested for accessibility.
Just have three separate drop downs for year, month, and day. Problem solved. Unambiguous. Bug free. Works without any extra JS.
the news isn't real because they have other articles that don't agree with my politics okay bro
If you have them...
> Firefox is the browser I want to see be the competition.

Extremely unlikely unfortunately unless the planets align and Google ceases all promotion of Chrome and Mozilla dramatically improves their own promotion game. Firefox would probably need more tangible reasons for people to switch too, because realistically the masses aren't going to care about the privacy or marketshare angles.
How do non capitalist systems fix this?
Anyone else stuck in a Cloudflare loop?
From the article:

> If you've been left in the lurch and your efforts to reach a customer service agent are going nowhere, the founder of Scott's Cheap Flights suggests trying an international number.

> "The main hotline for US airlines will be clogged with other passengers getting rebooked. To get through to an agent quickly, call any one of the airline's dozens of international offices" Scott Keyes said.

> "Agents can handle your reservation just like US-based ones can, but there's virtually no wait to get through."
> now that Edge switched to a compatible render engine

What is the definition of “compatible” here?

The point of “one specification, multiple implementations” is to explicitly leave the door open for slightly deviant implementations.
How did auctions handle this before Ebay? I imagine they had various rules for how to handle buyers flaking out.

The "bid-up" price reflects an automatic bid that you set in advance: you allowed the system to bid on your behalf, up to a specified amount. The other seller outbid your maximum bid, and then disappeared, but that bid was still your maximum bid. Of course, it seems unfair because if that bad buyer had never bid in the first place, the final price might have been much lower.

Honestly, I don't know what should be normal and proper here, which is why I asked the first question. Ebay's auction rules mostly follow pre-existing norms for auctions, but not entirely.
Social media companies try to portray themselves legally as platforms in order to eliminate legal liability for the content that users post on their platform.
> This "3rd party library by default" bullshit is killing me

I've noticed that new developers tend to think of libraries are indivisible units. They never stop to think what React Query uses, it's an atomic unit that you use to do queries, duh.
I don’t understand why you have such a stance and how you “know”…SEC publishes their enforcement data on an annual basis, which supports my argument.

https://www.sec.gov/news/press-release/2022-206
Just try to develop an offline app on safari. Last time I tried it was unusuable. Safari is just bad and on iOS it's the new IE.
came here to expect something counterintuitive but it's just "feed them regularly".
And JS engine, the whole thing is basically safari with a different URL bar and ancillary stuff like bookmark syncing. As far as the code is concerned it's 100% Safari.

I don't know why non iOS browser play the stupid pseudo support game with Apple, it just makes it confusing for users like the parent comment... playing into Apple's hand, helping them pretend that it's actually a fair ecosystem with choices.
https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2021/01/19/british-french...

French favorable vs unfavorable views of the US flex similarly to US views of France, and are likewise triggered by policy/political decisions in each country.
And if they are acting with good intent. But some people really would like to see the world burn and there are enough of them that they can do real damage. All those conspiracies originate somewhere and quite a few of those people are well aware of the fact that what they are doing will cause damage.
> I don’t ever remember a worst traveling season than this

Even during COVID?
if you keep getting the facts wrong in hindsight, maybe you should be more open to considering other opinions instead of censoring them
Who said browser "standard" date picker must support each and every use case?
Point to the creative expression fixed in a tangible media authored by a human. Do AI queries qualify as creative expression?
Geopolitics is a loser’s buzzword with a contagious idea
The Android one always makes me chuckle when some obscure site decided to use it. It's so unexpected to get a big pop-up in an entirely different UI style as the rest of the website suddenly, and when I realize what monster I now have to fight, idk it's humorous to me. It also differs between versions but hasn't gotten better.

I have gripes with Safari, but date pickers isn't one of the things only Safari struggles with.

An image search for 'android date picker' brings up at least three different designs: https://i.stack.imgur.com/3DW4n.png https://i.stack.imgur.com/LLRmB.png https://i.stack.imgur.com/kJqln.png
If you think Safari is the new IE, you have definitely forgotten (or not experienced) how bad things were with IE6.

They didn’t just have a few bugs in their browser implementation or were slow to implement new features.

Basic, crucial CSS features were broken. Microsoft didn’t add any new features to the browser about a decade, basically holding the entire web back to the standards of circa year 2001 until it was finally safe to drop support for it almost a decade later.

And furthermore, Microsoft weren’t pushing users to upgrade to the latest version, so we had to support older versions of IE long after their replacements were released.

I understand wishing that Safari would be better, but luckily the Safari team is much more on the ball than the IE team ever was.
There's a difference between a national public health messaging and a 1:1 discussion with your physician, and I don't think you're reasonably distinguishing between the two. No politician would spend 60 minutes discussing how they'll do Big Goal X and here's the 40-point plan. Read the fact sheet if you want the details or talk to your doctor. I got a fact sheet and had to wait for my vaccine, so plenty of time to read and ask questions or change my mind. And your points about the forcing of vaccination, I don't recall any instance of forced covid vaccine injections. Yes, in a parent comment you linked to something terrible that happened in the 1900s. Lots of terrible things happened in history.
https://old.reddit.com/r/SouthwestAirlines/comments/zw32yt/p...

(From another HN posting at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34145303)
Do you have a duty to tell people they’re wrong about carrots?
Interesting, please could you elaborate more precisely?
Yeah, buying anything 3rd-party through Amazon is basically like gambling, and I don't recommend it. Ebay is MUCH better and safer than Amazon 3rd-party: you can look at seller feedback easily and see if a seller is a trustworthy, long-time seller or not. Amazon is only good if you're buying from Amazon itself.
I once developed an unusually complex HTML5 Offline app, and found that Safari even had regressions on some basic standard behavior that I needed.

I know there's good faith work around WebKit, etc., by smart and genuine people. But it was easy to wonder (especially with the anger that comes from being existentially threatened) whether some element at Apple wanted to make Web apps work badly, to keep the proprietary App Store party going.

(I did pull it off successfully, but only with much heroics.)
Do you not have other browsers installed? You can open it up yourself by opening this URL

https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML/Element/in...

But yeah that's a good point. I'm on Firefox on Mac and it looks pretty much exactly the same. I don't really get why other browsers wouldn't be causing the same issues

From the screenshots it seems like they're talking about users on a mobile device. iPhones only allow you to use WebKit, but I'd be curious to see what Android's date picker looks like

I feel like they could've just saved themselves the headache by setting the default value to 1950 or something
Honestly, as soon as I saw "wife" I rolled my eyes... there were four or five months (from the end of 2020 to the beginning of 2021) where I only had a scant handful of in-person interactions with humans I "knew", and like, they weren't even friends... I just mean "people whose name I know and would notice if they were replaced by an NPC"; one of them was "the guy who lives in the park near my house". I have never been so lonely, and I am the kind of person who normally "hates people" a bit :(.
To their defense: given the company's business model, there's probably no other way of handling it. They make money at a massive scale, and as an individual user, you're not worth enough to provide customer support - or really, any special consideration.

The problem might be the business model itself. Google is not attached to any one of its billions of users, but they can cause a lot of pain if they randomly cut you off - especially in a world where email is essentially online identity. But then, I'd wager that a good 90% of us are employed in places that want to replicate that model at any cost... glass houses and all.
MAP enforcement is essential if brick and mortar retailers are going to stay in business. And MAP enforcement is essential for companies seeking to maintain brand value and integrity. I believe both of those things are good for consumers.
I think in a weird way COVID 19 fell into a strange area of lethality. For those looking at population data, it was horrific, but on a personal level the worst outcomes were rare enough that many people could avoid encountering any deaths or even severe illness in their inner circles.

This made it rather easy to be an antivaxer, since people could just put their heads in the sand and remain blissfully ignorant of the scope of the disease. The deaths were just statistics, as were the benefits of vaccination.

I think in a more severe pandemic, where more people would be losing friends or loved ones, they wouldn't have the luxury of this ignorance and they would be lining up to get a vaccine.
Safari Is the New IE
At the very least, GP, consider that you are not an epidemiologist or an MD, and that Twitter should not have censored such qualified individuals with unreliable and inconsistent "AI".

At Twitter, this technology was trained to parrot the U.S. CDC, over the legitimate objections and disagreements from their counterparts in the EU and WHO. As well as many others.
You're still in quarantine?

The original comment I was replying to was implying 'two weeks to stop the spread' was a conspiracy.

Nice to see people downvoting me for a reasonable comment, while I can't downvote them. Typical for HN. Feel free to downvote this one.
We have a Dyson battery powered model. Pretty nice but the battery pack has gone bad several times. Thankfully, while under warranty they ship you a new pack without too much trouble, and you're free to harvest the 18650s from the old one, which made up for the hassle.
Trine
Accessible Datepickers Roundup
There's an unsubstantiated rumor that 120 Southwest ramp agents walked off the job at Denver International Airport after the VP of operations out of Dallas sent a demanding (and possibly unreasonable) memo to the Denver staff banning sick time without a doctors note and requiring mandatory overtime.

https://twitter.com/AtSouthwest/status/1606543397996855296

If true, it could account for a majority of SW's cancellations over the past few days and it could continue for the foreseeable future.
Guy at MIT made huge numbers of them, using a robot-arm and sharp tool. He worked out an algorithm to interleave the short scratch-segments, so dense intersecting scratches don't ruin the image. His art is now in a mathematics museum. Also, apparently he attempted to change the name of the holograms, pushing the term "Specular Holography" everywhere he could. Deeply silly, since they're not "specular," any more than is any other hologram. They possess a transmission mode and a reflection mode. If you scribe them in clear plastic, then you can either back-paint it black, and illuminate it from the viewers' side, or you can put a light source behind it, and see the same 3D image. The invention isn't inherently "specular."

So, wtf?

Heh, but also, knowing about the history of invention-theft and fights to name new phenomena, I'd earlier listed all the possible names I could imagine. Abrasion holograms, giant-fringe holograms, single-fringe holograms. Paleo holography, caveman holography, prehistoric holograhy, car-hood holograms, Geometrical holograms (geometrical, as opposed to Physical Optics.) Brushed-metal holograms. Chatoyant holograms (same optics as cats-eye gemstones, deep highlights in polished wood and human hair.) So, if you want to take the discovery as your own, you can't use any of my names!
Family is optional but having human relations is not unless there is a mental disorder involved.
Just because they're on different sockets... IIRC Dual-CPU P2 motherboards were pretty popular though I don't remember what was in the Netware servers where I first noticed the screensaver.
Exactly, a plain text field that does best effort parsing. If you want to be precise you can enter "2022-12-01", but if you are in the mood you can enter things like "tomorrow" or "first of the year", or "June 1 1999". UI could even show the exact parsed date below the field as a hint.
They weren't treated like citizens though. Irish Catholics were prohibited from holding office, voting, owning property, having professional jobs, attending college, owning fire arms, etc.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penal_Laws
Date widgets are almost universally bad. Most I encounter are unintuitive or outright buggy.

However, OP complaining about usability and the providing three text fields with the MM and DD being placeholders is terrible. Normally placeholder-only labels are a bad idea, but this is especially true when the month and day fields have different order depending on the region. The moment you've got [1] [4] [1980], you no longer know which is month and which is day.

And do they swap these placeholders and entered values if you change the country from US to an EU country?

The lack of progress in the tech world in making consistent user interface standards is disappointing. We should not be still struggling with these topics (and as users we should not be suffering). Tax time, trying to fetch reports from banks/exchanges is one of the worst recurring experiences...
Can any browser that is not a reskin of Chrome with feature and bug-for-bug parity actually satisfy web developers at this point?

If Firefox had the marketshare of Safari and was mandatory to support because they were a major platform’s browser devs would be cursing their name too but with a different set of things that aren’t exactly like Chrome.

It really does feel like devs are literally developing against Chrome with not even so much a thought at cross-browser compat or a glance at caniuse and then taking their finished site and then working backwards from there on other browsers cursing the compatibility issues when they could have avoided it entirely had they started with a cross-platform subset of browser features. Just the same as how cross-platform native development works.

Hell someone did all the hard work for you https://github.com/amilajack/eslint-plugin-compat

Then multiply by all the npm packages blindly imported that were developed with the same methodology and I see where the rage comes from.
Is picking a date that is more than 20 years old a very odd use case? I feel like that should be something the UI can handle by default fairly easily.
The American Revolution was not a Guerilla war. It was primarily fought with pitched battles between opposing armies. This was the case from the first shots (at Lexington, and subsequently Concord and Bunker Hill) to the last at Yorktown.
Some commenters seem to forget what the MSIE monopoly was all about. About not keeping up with emerging web standards? That's a misconception. That was a result of Firefox interrupting the market.

MS deliberately added non-standard crap to get everyone off the rails when not using IE. That's why websites often showed "Best viewed in 1024x768 and 16M colors using Internet Explorer".

And that is a remark I see more often every day. And it's Chrome being recommended.

Remember why MS switched from EdgeHTML to Blink? Because Google would hamstring EdgeHTML at every corner on their services. Not completely break it, but make Gmail or Youtube a tad slower than in Chrome.

"Don't be evil" my ass.
Quite a lot of people know what Trump tweeted, even though they never had Twitter accounts.

Sometimes it seemed like most of the news coverage of Trump consisted of news anchors reading his tweets on air. His tweets got a lot of the people into DC on the 6th to hear his speech in the first place.

Twitter is not just a distraction, sometimes it is the news.
> How do you come to this conclusion

Because there have been many many studies of the effect of the vaccine, in many different countries, by many different groups.

The results are overwhelmingly that the vaccine saves lives.

> saw huge and persistent waves of cases

This is a bad argument.

A vaccine can be useful, and save millions of lives, even if we falsely assume for the sake of argument that it doesn't reduce the amount of people who get infected or transmissibility.
Southwest has always allowed free cancellations, up to 10 minutes before boarding— that was one of its main selling points. You (normally) get the money as flight credit, however.
My definition of compatible is basically what I described in the comment: "[not being] the cause of 2/3rds of the lines of exceptional UI code".

There's the occasional situation where Chromium doesn't support something or Firefox doesn't support something, but it feels like Safari has double the rate of both combined.
thanks for the screenshots

It seems like the first screenshot is `type="time"` and the second and third are `type="date"`. But I don't know if those are native components or the browsers defaults. Would be useful information