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According to the live annoucements this morning:

Unlimited phone calls into 40 countries, unilimited SMS and MMS, unrestricted internet access up to 3GB : 19.99€/months or 15.99€/months for ADSL Free subscribers.

60min and 60sms : 2€ or 0€ for ADSL Free subscribers.

Phones are not include but can be bought with independent 12, 24, 36 months credit plan. ie. iPhone 4Gs is provided with 1€ entry and 19.99€/months over 36 months.
Perhaps "most of" the tech enthusiasts. The average person has no idea.
I seriously dislike vitriol like this in general. It makes it sound like Apple was entirely benevolent in wanting to wrest control from the carriers but Apple, like any other corporation, wants to make money. There is no altruism in business - it's dollars all the way down. And Apple, in bending carriers to their will, did not give control back to the end user, but rather back to Apple.

You see the "evil" behind Android because you WANT to. I see the evil behind iOS because I WANT to. The truth is, they're equally evil - which is to say, they are the yangless yings.
A great demonstration of a market disruption by pricing. Xavier Niel's show was a mix of Jobs (staging, rhythm, ...) and Bezos (pricing, competition, ...). Wow !
He seems to confuse several things. What has the openness of Android to do with whatever deals Google strikes with some random carriers? They are completely separate things.

Also wondering what Apple's stance on net neutrality is - I suppose they support it, as long as all content passes through the iCloud with a fee attached first.
Isn't he wrong though? What first offended me so much about the original iPhone was just how restricted it was at the behest of AT&T.

I can take my Android phone on any carrier and use tethering. I take my iPhone, and it randomly disables tethering depending on the carrier. Apple have also disabled downloads of apps and podcasts over 20 MB on the behest of a single carrier with a poor network (AT&T), applying the restriction to all phones, worldwide. My carrier doesn't care if I happen to download a 100 MB file, why would Apple ever want to restrict that?

Google only lets carriers screw with the phones the carriers themselves sell. Which IMHO is the prerogative of the carrier. If people don't want crapware, they don't buy phones from your carrier! Apple lets carriers screw with the feature set of all iPhones, regardless of where you bought it.
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Matt Siegler: his wanky, self-applied moniker made me curious enough to find out his actual name.
Just to be clear: the first 1h plan is free (for broadband customers).
makes sense, and it's still a bargain for mundane cellphone users. thanks
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Exactly my situation; I use my Android in 2 countries and I can change carriers, country and language. I always avoid crapware loaded by carriers.
no, it's pretty easy to use and pretty consistent if you try to understand its internal logics.
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Love & hate as an argument is recently a lot common at HN, especially MG is making headlines several times a month, with just another way to show his love for Apple and hate for .. anything else.
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Um, isn't that simply a small bug in the documentation that should be reported to Twitter, not blown out of proportion in a blog post?
Why not just a Linux desktop on VMware? You get the great Apple hardware and exactly what you want with the software. I'm currently running Windows that way and I don't think I'm ever going back to buying a PC...
Surprised no-one here is talking about programming/startup jobs in China. I know there is a small Chinese-based hacker set on HN, so maybe they'll show up later to chime in with more expert opinions.

Basically I've been planning for a few years to make China the focus of my 20s, thinking that being at the convergence of technology and a rising superpower would be pretty powerful. Taught English there in 2007, travelled there again in 2009, studied in HK in 2010 and interned for a games startup in Chengdu last year.

Still, my current plan for the next few years is to stay in the UK - the main reason is that salaries for programmers in China just aren't that attractive. Also, if you want a serious career in China (in whatever sector - counting entrepreneurship as a career here) - a lot of people have advised me that it helps to gain a track record in the West before making a serious move out there.

Note: the following is a mix of experience, second-hand reports and conjecture, I'd really appreciate someone in the know telling me where I'm wrong.

As a graduate programmer competing with Chinese graduates, it looks like salaries are between 5000 and 10000 RMB/mo, depending on location. If you can somehow leverage your foreignerness, you can get more, though I can't think of many ways to do that in the tech industry. Experienced technical management is in high demand, but not really an option straight out of university. Joining a big tech company (Tencent, Baidu, Shanda etc) and hoping to work your way up isn't that great an option, since there's no reason you'll be able to outcompete your hungrier Chinese colleagues. Joining a startup, maybe, but you'll still have to find a way to contribute beyond programming to make a better salary than the next FOB laowai teaching English or pretending to be a DJ. Starting a startup is of course an option, but even riskier out there (I'd feel able to start a tech startup in the West right now, wouldn't think of doing it in China without a few more years real-world experience).

Anyone actually working in China's tech industry with alternative views? Would love to hear them.
Who said stacks had to be contiguous and allocated ahead of time?
The comparison with Jobs is very far-fetched in my opinion. Niel was rude, aggressive, partisan, almost violent with his words, and was all around not a good orator.

The show was a blast nevertheless!
Those limits are a bit arbitrary.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_actor%E2%80%93politici...
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He had no Jobsness, but the talk structure is Applian all the way. Taking the 'State of the Art' (sic) , breaking it down to expose flaws, then giving more.
you have the same problem in C#. you can't take a Foo class and extend it from outside to have all the IEnumerable methods then let it have all the IEnumerable extension methods.
I agree with you here. Several languages (let's call them "advanced"?) are better than other, ok, but actually very few introduce actually "innovative" constructs. Most of the perceived differences in recent languages are actually in the design of the libraries built around the core language, which is underwhelming.

After some years learning "advanced" languages, and having mastered the constructs, the biggest problem becomes becoming acquainted with the libraries. It takes time to re-learn what to use to do something, not how to do it.

Another problem of mine is that a lot of time is spent writing/using bindings to other foreign code, or let alone re-implement the code in the current language. Or see your old code stop working because of new libraries, compilers, etc.

In the end, it feels like you're writing just for the sake of writing instead of actually doing something.
Ok, maybe far-fetched you're right. But a class of its own with the old-fashioned movie at the beginning, the simple charts and slides, liked it :)
While true, I'd worry that arguing this point carries the risk of shifting the discussion away from "Should the U.S. begin censoring the Internet?" to "How can the U.S. effectively censor the Internet?"
Pretty small text :). Going to begin with it.
You can't change biometrics, so once someone forges your identity they will always have access to anything that requires only biometric identification.
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On one hand I mean classic stuff from provider's perspective, like malevolent user setting up a premium number in some remote country (Afganistan, Nigeria, etc.) with insane rates (5$/minute and more), which he is calling for long periods. This is often completely automated with multiple simultaneous calls on multiple premium numbers and callee is actually an IVR. And you can't touch the user, because you've promised him unlimited calls. Such schemes can be even more elaborate with many 'proxy' providers in between, so you don't even know, what is the real cost of the call until after the fact (you receive a giant bill from some remote provider). I've seen examples of voip providers losing thousands of dollars a day and in one case even going under, just because they were unable to respond quickly to fraud.

On the other hand I would like to point out the user's perspective. Recently I've read about a case where a blind person calls a lot. Really a lot. Like from the evening to the morning, many days a week, domestic and international calls. It's his form of communication, since he rarely travels abroad or meets with friends in person. So to reduce his monthly bill, he went to a provider that promised unlimited calls. Needless to say, after a few months they've disconnected his number and billed him for premature end of contract (it is customary to sign 2-year contract), citing small print which mentions fair-use.
Additionally, I think that Haskell really has to offer something over most other FP languages. Many features of dynamic impure FP languages have already been ported to languages such as Ruby or Python. What Haskell provides over, say Lisp, is exceptionally strong typing and isolation of side-effects. This is a quality that cannot be ported to mainstream languages easily.

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What MG deosnt seem to realise that is the USA's Phone both Landline and Mobile is crap the deregulation was botched and allowed local monopolies. European telcos take great fun in laughing at the ineptitude of ATT Sprint etc and dont get me started on USA and mobile caller pays to recive FFS which moron came up with that idea - the FCC should have steped in and baned that and also made sure that those responsible neaver worked in the industry again.
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Thanks, AT&T was exactly the point in my mind; and this exclusivity. Apple doomed its US users to one carrier without any choice for years.
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This is, IMO, likely due to the fact that people can't be held accountable for their comments if nobody knows their true identity.

(I'm only a single data point but..) I'm more likely to comment on something the more I can use my real identity as a by-line. Demonstrating one's involvement or knowledge in a certain area can be valuable (think HN or Stack Overflow).

To me, it seems the sort of comments that would be encouraged by anonymity are those that are particularly controversial, negative, or that break confidences.
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Can someone explain this article to me? If I understood it well, the author hates Android because Google made some deal with an American carrier. I don't exactly understand what deal that really is, he seems to imply that we all know that.

I'm in Europe, where Google made no deals with carriers that I know of, but I'm genuinely interested: should I care? Should I hate Android for the same reason, whatever that may be? I mean, right now the closedness of Apple products is the only thing keeps me away from Apple. Am I being an ignorant hypocrite?
If you read carefully, I said "huge investments", not that investment at all would cease to exist.

What are some of the "other incentive systems" that would allow you to sink 100 million dollars into a film and hope to recover them?

The only one to spring to mind would be in-film product placement and advertising, although to tell the truth I think there's already enough of that.

> Personally, I think it's reasonable to expect that movies that were made in my childhood can be reinterpreted freely well before my death, just as Shakespeare and Dickens can be reinterpreted now. Allowing slightly aged works to fall out of copyright shouldn't disincentivize future creation.

I agree with that 100%. Copyright is too far tilted in favor of producers right now. My point is merely that it is a balance.
The whole idea of open source is here in trimbo's comment. Android does not empower even Google to a total control; anybody forks (Amazon, Nook) does what they want. iOS can't do this.
The Internet is not were it is today because the government told ISPs how they should operate.

Actually, they did. They told them don't interfere with it and if you do you are liable.
Exactly the same idea as my comment about emotions (which is downvoted). A deep emotional connection to a company makes us see all of they do as right (Apple, 30% cut, weird app store policies, SOPA support etc).
One of my absolute favorite iOS features in iOS5 before I switched to Android was the new "take a photo from the lock screen" button. I felt understood when they added that.
For the negative point of view on China, Jim Chanos provides very good information. The following is two years old, but very good:

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Not at this point. I am a developer and I run a consultancy with one more guy, so I am generally short of hours. But I will see how much I can grasp on my own and then may be consider something.
Also Opera mini/Mobile, on my dated Win-CE hand held Pocket PC fails to render any page from my internal network. This must be from some proxy doing extra rendering else where. Probably all related and imo not worth fixing. Time for some upgrades, me and you both.
Same in Canada. Pricing of mobile and internet is crazy compared to France, as well as internet speed... I don't get it.
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Warranty claims, and upselling.

Samsung use (used?) Linux as the base OS for a large number of their TVs so of course replacement firmware projects sprang up (e.g. SamyGo [1]). The project added additional functionality to their TVs like playing movies from a USB stick - features that Samsung had restricted to their higher-end TVs.

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[1] http://forum.samygo.tv/
The idea touches on positive and negative rights[1]. Real world examples have shades of both, yet the principle remains: sometimes you want someone (particularly the government) to do something; other times you want them to not get involved. In a specific instance, both might be desired to further a single purpose.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negative_and_positive_rights
If you've ever seen a movie or listened to music, it stands to reason that you've benefited in some way from those industries, no? Come on people, engage your brains, this isn't reddit. IP is a complex, multi-faceted issue without any easy answers.
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In a copyright free world, movie theaters would of course be free to copy the movies too. Benefits would accrue to landowners, basically, rather than producers of movies.
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Did you even read the article before criticizing? Seriously, I hate to ask things of that sort on HN, but Siegler specifically points out that his problem with Google in this matter is they use the faux idea of "open" to rile pro-Droid folks like yourself at the expense of true progress vis-a-vis the carriers. Call people fanboys all you want, but it's just a copout on your part.

You hate totalitarian control on your devices? Explain how you're okay with Verizon telling you that you can't have Google Wallet on the Nexus, carrier-dictated releases of upgrades, locked bootloaders, mandated two-year contracts and various other anti-open dictates that Google just goes along with because they're the carrier's bitch.

Say what you will about Apple, but at least they've always been consistent about the experience they're going for with the walled garden ecosystem and they have wrestled control away from the carriers. Meanwhile, Google sold us all out of net neutrality for marketshare.
That was exactly my question: is this one of those rare cases where IE10 is "ahead" of Webkit (and thus Chrome)? The fact that Firefox supports it too rules out the notion that this could just be some crackpot Microsoft-only technology like DX transforms. My question remains: does Webkit not yet support this?
Yeah you said it, it is a preview ( including IE 10)
"Apple have also disabled downloads of apps and podcasts over 20 MB on the behest of a single carrier with a poor network (AT&T), applying the restriction to all phones, worldwide"

That's horrible.. is it true? Can anyone confirm this?
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True, but putting it end the end user equipment is a bad idea (and probably opens you up to liability) because it can be detected and mitigated from that side. You have to assume that whatever code you're running on a device not under your direct control will be observed and poked and prodded.
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The smudge hack is only relevant if you have a continuous swype on the screen. If you allow lifting your finger and poke several things you have limited this hacks effectiveness, as people may see where you poked but not the order. So "tap your dogs in a certain order" weakens this hack. Also it seems to assume you are doing nothing else n the phone. When I open the phone I generally do something which leaves additional smudges. So someone will not know if they are the password or activity.

Like it or not, I like the innovation. The best would be if you had a choice of lock screens and one chooses the style you like.
Some languages make monkeypatching a lot less dangerous.

For eg. in Perl you can use dynamic scoping to localise its effect:

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}

# where has everything else outside this scope remains unaffected

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