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I described it in my initial comment:

"We prefer giving them problems like writing a text based guess the number game or tic tac toe. Mindless easy to solve project."

Language, Environment, etc doesn't matter. If you are interviewing people on that stuff then you aren't finding the best candidates.

They get to choose everything outside of the problem to solve and it is an extremely dumbed down project like I said in the original comment. The "real world" part is in the implementation... How well is the code architected? Did they write tests? Are there performance issues? Bugs?

We don't expect people to be perfect either, we learn more from the discussion afterwards, since its not a puzzling problem we get to focus on software design and not the problem itself, which we feel is more important.
I'm definitely not trolling. I'm trying to have a conversation and understanding of your rationale for why GAE didn't work for you. So far, you've left me totally confused.

I heartily agree with you about GAE being a niche. Not all apps (or developers) belong on GAE.

I ask again, if GAE didn't work for you, where are you hosted now?
You claim: "Almost none of use are looking for a job"

but being "so sick" of job ads.

If you're not looking for a job, stop looking at job ads. Problem solved.

If you are looking for a job, chances are you aren't sick of job ads, and welcome as many as you can find.

We all know that HR people are rarely super technical, and are just trying to sell their company the best they can.

If you're incapable of researching a company on your own, and deciding whether the work they do is something you'd be interested in, then I don't know what to tell you.

You offer condescending criticism, yet no solutions. If you tend to present things in this fashion, no-one will hire you.
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I guess the middle school part is a bit of hyperbole.

That said, I have noticed a lot of programmers do dislike math they don't know (it's impossible to dislike math outright, since in a way or the other a lot of programming involves some kind of math) or otherwise downplay the importance of math and theoretical computer science for programming.

For instance, look at the job interview threads on the HN front page right now: apparently a lot of programmers really dislike the idea of asking/being asked to implement Pascal's Triangle in a job interview (given the definition!) or otherwise claim it has nothing to do with "real world" programming.
But if you need the reliability and scalability that App Engine provides, I still think it's cost effective compared to attempting to build the same functionality yourself. You get the benefit of directly using the work of Google's top flight App Engine programmers (e.g., Guido van Rossum).

By way of comparison, I've done quite a bit of work w/ the AWS components (e.g. EC2, S3, SQS) that in theory allow you to build a highly reliable, highly scalable site but in practice there's still a lot of assembly required, whereas w/ App Engine that's provided out of the box.
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Also see xv6, "a simple Unix-like teaching operating system": http://pdos.csail.mit.edu/6.828/2011/xv6.html and its textbook: http://pdos.csail.mit.edu/6.828/2011/xv6/book-rev6.pdf
Its not about introvert vs extrovert, its about passion. I don't think any of the people on my team would do well socially at a bar but you ask us something about Linux, Python, etc and we could talk for hours.

"If you actually have a successful process for doing that, you could be owning many islands."

Don't pull a fox news on me, you can't rip out the most important part of that sentence ;)

Someone _who has a lot of passion_
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We built http://www.schoolbookings.net on Appengine. Over a thousand schools and half a million parents use it - not enormous numbers, but a very real and profitable business.

We pay under a hundred dollars a month for extremely reliable and scalable infrastructure. I'm happy that our platform is designed and supported by the best sysadmins in the world - we've had less than five minutes of degraded service (high latency but still accessible) in the last six months. I'm soooooooooo glad we didn't choose AWS!

Appengine is perfect for developer-centric startups. You can concentrate on your app instead of the infrastructure until you've got traction, and if you do hit the big time you'll be popping champagne corks instead of server cores. At that stage you'll be able to make an informed decision about hiring some kick-ass sysadmins to build your own platform, and migration really isn't as big a deal as some people make out. Python apps are WSGI compliant so will run with minimal modification on any WSGI server, and you can access all your data without difficulty. You would need to write some wrappers around API calls, but this isn't a huge deal and realistically you're going to have to do this for any platform migration.
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When there are network effects in play (ie my neighbour, or my classmate, or my facebook friend, or some columnist in a newspaper can recommend a book to me, and I will then be more likely to read that particular book), I think you should always expect "outliers" like J.K. Rowling. Note that I'm putting "outliers" in quotes, because she probably fits in with some power-law description of this recommendation network - I'd say it's almost inevitable that a highly-connected world produces some very big winners. But do you think it's fair to model the law on these few exceptional cases, when most of the copyright-holders in this world will never be billionaires?
Thanks for the reply ! Sounds good, I will sign up and follow up the news.
A pet peeve of mine in this regard is about throwing away food that is left on a plate. Many people feel a moral duty (often instilled in them from a young age) to eat everything that is on a plate, even if eating that last 10% would make them feel uncomfortable for an hour and would have no utility from a dietary point of view (actually have negative utility, since it only increases their fat intake).

Yet I have a hard time convincing people of this, and some people sometimes feel the need to scold me for throwing away food. Despite that, I've been better off since I internalized the true nature of this (daily recurring) situation.
Do you see much benefit to CloudFlare swallowing half of your requests when you're already using the GAE edge cache?
Without copyright, I could take apart J.K Rowling's billion dollar Harry Potter empire by simply republishing and selling all the works myself, without compensation to Ms. Rowling.

No, you couldn't. Who would buy the works from you, when anyone can legally obtain them, free?

You might sell physical books containing the works, but then you're not selling (licenses to) the works themselves, just paper.

I imagine in a world without copyright, many people (though not most) would still 'pay' for works such as Harry Potter, through services like Amazon, iTunes, etc. Customers would demand that these services share revenue with authors, similar to the current model.

The point is, without copyright, no one would pay you for Harry Potter.
Well, you are right.
About 2: as long as I can send a gigabyte of encrypted data to anyone I know, copyright is unenforceable. You can either have private communication or copyright enforcement. So I disagree about this conflict being a strawman argument.
The correct answer to that question is "Yes, I have 7 years of experience with Windows Server 2008".

Because it takes you past the clueless recruiter and eventually you'll get to talk to someone that has a clue. But as long as the recruiter is the gatekeeper, you have to play by his or her stupid rules.
A mix of both.
The first thing that came to my mind was non software related companies that have large manufacturing/operational overhead to launch a product. It's possible, with a small sample like this, to have only surveyed hardware companies -- which would definitely skew things quite a bit.
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This hasn't worked for reddit. It hasn't worked for any other site that's tried it.

Seriously, folks, read Clay Shirky. The man knows what he's talking about.
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"Take the next step with the ones that are really interesting: actually do some concrete work, even if it has to be done as a side project. At the worst, you will learn a lot and have fun by working on something new with other researchers."

It's a very good recommendation. I remember some PhD students reluctant to work on concrete implementations of their theorized approaches. But in the long-term, the most successful ones were doing a lot of concrete works and gained experiences for an academic career and while keeping a strong feet/competence into the private sector.
General format for the 3 I've been to here in Tokyo is you pay a cover charge for food/beer/softdrinks. Then just casually mix and talk to people. No set program besides hitting a local bar afterward. Works really well and the guys put on a really good spread of food every time.
I am glad I will finally be able to attend this time! For several consecutive months now, this meetup was always scheduled sometime when I had another engagement.

How many people usually come to one of these meetups, and how many are regulars?
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It's worth noting that 37signals believes in hiring by requiring candidates work on a 20-40 hour project before making the hiring decision. There approach would be completely unacceptable to a large number of developers, it's only because of their strong reputation and remote hiring that people are even willing to consider it.
Makes no sense. People aren't buying the Fire because they want a nice, inexpensive tablet. Hardware wise, it's very similar to a lot of existing tablets (that hardly anyone wants). People are buying the Fire because of the tight integration with Amazon. Installing Android 4, no matter how easy, will ruin that integration.

Out of curiosity, does 'competition' always mean 'enemy'?

"... it can focus on its main enemy – the Apple iPad"
Well, it's obvious that it is a joke. Although racially based, still a joke. Or an attempt of one.
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This is a very tech-centric view of the world.

Even assuming (probably incorrectly) that the (very cheap, low powered) Fire is capable of running ICS well, most people don't want to flash ROMs even if it is easy. They worry about it going wrong, they worry about warranties and support.

And most people neither know nor care what ICS is. They want to read some books, surf the web and watch some movies. They're not going to see why ICS is better.

And people like the close Amazon content integration which this would remove. They like dealing with a retailer they can trust in ways that are pain free. Google have a very limited history as a retailer. Even if they put their own content delivery in place of Amazon's people don't know and trust them in this space in the same way they trust Amazon.

This move would give a small number of geeks access to a low cost ICS tablet, it would do nothing to turn around the vast majority of Fire users.
Sorry to say it, but this certainly smells like cargo-cult science. First, I'm not a scientist, and not even a Nobel-prize winner, but for example I cannot understand what question 3) has to do with "science". I did have 2 dates in the past month, but I'm at one of the lowest points of my life, because, guess what? the missing context really matters (I'm about to get divorced).

The same goes for question 4) . I chose A, "Yes", assuming it was a good movie worth seeing, but lacking the above-mentioned "context" (is it "Forrest Gump" or "Delta Force IV"?) any answer you give it's just to satisfy the interviewer. And yes, people DO go and see movies that they know they're bad.

A little less reading on "behavioral economics" or "animal spirits" and a little more reading of Hume will do everyone a ton of good.
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Just read TFA and you read my mind. ICS would probably run like a dog on the hardware, and most true geeks will probably want more than 8GB storage to play with without access to cloud storage. Nice idea but 99% of the people a Fire probably don't even know it is running Android.
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Here is another nice view of that: http://gs.statcounter.com/#digg_vs_reddit-ww-monthly-200905-...
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Do you really believe that crap wasn't produced in the past too?

And please, why would lady gaga be considered part of the culture? When you think about the 1700s do you remember Mozart or popular music? Because Lady Gaga is popular music. Mozart is not.

The fact that something is popular now, doesn't mean it will be in the future. And, as the masses didn't listen to Mozart at that time, we don't listen to contemporary music (I mean what in the future would be considered the 'classical music' of our time).
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> if the largest portion of your growth will come from search, social links, and web advertising then I think they are fine.

Bingo. Such novelty domains can be a dog to promote via any non-clickable medium.

On my whim in March last year, we went and created http://getlocalne.ws

In the early days, getting the word out about it was like a chore (and a half). Shortly after launch, a local newspaper, a popular magazine and a national TV channel here all wanted to cover it. Between them, I remember confirming and re-confirming the domain/URL about a dozen times ! :)

Even during and in the immediate aftermath of all that coverage, the traffic was hardly anything to write home about - peaking to just about 1500 per day, slowly tapering off to stabilize at around 250 or so. I attribute this low impact to the facts that 1) the domain is not a .com and 2) all 3 media that covered it were non-clickable.

Interestingly, once the search/social and other online sources started kicking in, the traffic levels started rising steadily, almost week-on-week (presently at about 5k/day).
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What you said is correct but just to be nit-picky: parity codes constitute Galois Field arithmetic as well. XOR is the addition operation of polynomials in GF(2^n).
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Your first sentence is way off the mark. Obviously an interviewer needs to have intimate familiarity with the problem that they give to potential employees, and have hands on experience implementing it in many variations. But that does not mean that it is unfair to ask this question because you do not know the answer.

This is a lot like fizzbuzz because the instructions for writing the code are simple, straightforward, and should be understandable by any programmer. This is not a question with an answer. This is a SPECIFICATION for a program. If you know how to code, it should be easy to write some code that meets this simple specification.

P.S. most interviewers will give you bonus points for explaining your work as you do it, particularly why you chose to use a certain approach, and what you assumed even though it was not explicitly specified. This is true even if you botch the end result and provide code with severe errors.

After all, that's what good coders do most of the time, write incorrect code with severe errors. The rest of the time they fix their mistakes.
You seem to be operating from the premise the creator of an idea has some sort of intrinsic right to solely profit from ideas of his own "creation". There is no intrinsic right there, ideas are not physical property, we should not treat them like they are.

I put creation in quotes, because of an issue that nicely demonstrates how fundamentally different ideas are from physical property: consider the many scientific/mathematic discoveries[1] that were made in parallel around the world, with no communication between the parties, who gains the right to "own" these ideas, and why should they? Did not somebody else take exactly the same amount of effort and process to create the exact same idea? This even applies to very complex systems that are far from obvious, quite novel, and form the foundations of our modern world.

People need to get past the idea that somebody has a brilliant idea one day out of the blue, and the world is changed forever because of it. Every idea anyone has ever had owes almost everything to what proceeded it, and the environment it arose in, co-discovery/invention is very solid proof of that.

"If I have seen a little further it is by standing on the shoulders of Giants."

When you take the time to realize the very thing that propels us forward is the ability to build on existing ideas, you realize how patents and IP law in general are impeding, not encouraging.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calculus#Modern

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russels_paradox

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invention_of_the_telephone

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_scientific_priority_di...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stigler%27s_law_of_eponymy

(there are several more, but i do not have the time just now to find them)
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What you really mean is - you are willing to infringe copyright law, deny a lot of creative technical people and performers income and reduce funding for future shows.

You describe yourself as a software entrepeneur - I'm assuming you want to get paid for that in some way shape or form - how would you feel if people stole / infringed what you developed and denied you revenue?

I just do not get the prevailing attitude amongst a lot of people here on HN.
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The questions aren't science - that statistics that predict that most people will get them wrong are.

Or rather - the theories which predict how people will (statistically) make sub-optimal decisions in certain circumstances are science: they make predictions that can be tested.
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A problem with that is that they assume they're the most attractive option. They might be to some, but I think that pool of people is dwindling. It took five attempts from different Google recruiters before one managed to "sell" Google sufficiently for me to be willing to do a phone interview.

Then I was given interview questions of a type that nobody else would give for a position at the level I interviewed for, and I quickly lost interest again as to me the interview questions advertised a lack of understanding of the skills required for the position, or a fundamental disagreement about how technical management should be carried out.

And pleading from the recruiter was not sufficient to get me to do another interview (after she got the result of the initial interview thrown out because she agreed with my assessment). The last recruiter I dealt with was good, but the impression I got of the interview process put me off for a long time.

It took several months, and in that time they'd still not been able to find anyone else. I've never, ever spent that long on a recruitment process before, and the only reason I bothered was out of curiosity and because I wasn't really looking. If I had been looking, I'd have found and taken another job long before Google would've managed to get their act together.

I make an effort to sell myself for positions I badly want, but Google doesn't seem to be interested in selling itself in the recruitment process whereas most other companies I've interviewed for are, and they certainly isn't even top 10 of list of places I want to work.

But every time I've dealt with Google recruiters, I've had to waste time dragging information out of them that I'd normally expect the recruiter to be eager to present to me.

I'm not going to make an effort if they've not gotten me to really want the job first.

Recruiters I've spoken to all tells me the people they take out of Google are very often disillusioned and thought it would be very different to their actual experience, and that dislodging Google employees have gotten much easier as it's no longer so much the pinnacle of cool places to work in the eyes of a growing number of engineers, so I think that's going to become a bigger and bigger issue for them when hiring.
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In C# you have to specify that a method is virtual if you want people to be able to override it. This makes it clear where you expect people to insert their changes, allows you to design extra safety into those points, and makes the code faster.
If you want the actual science instead of the quiz consider the book Judgment under Uncertainty: Heuristics and Biases. It's better than Hume. For something you can read right now that might get you to care: http://singinst.org/upload/cognitive-biases.pdf
Something about the colored.red(txt) syntax bothers me.

Shouldn't color should really be a parameter - unless the console only accepts a fixed set of colors?

I like the rest of it - using a 'with' block for indentation is clever.
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