skysight-inc/HackerNews huggingface dataset:
Musk supporter here, downvoted proof here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33985682

I’m in agreement with all of you.

This is some BS that goes against all the ideals of an open internet. He’s not just being petty by banning competitors, he’s banning link aggregators. A lot of them are used for organizing political movements or needed for running a business.

This move means he doesn’t understand social media. Banning PG without even a link? That’s just icing on an authoritarian cake.

Apparently all Elon cares about is usage so hopefully this policy causes a huge drop. I have hope that he’ll quickly reverse course.
Careful. Tesla may rally once BizarroElon is stood down
Perfectly timed for the festive season classic, the Stoning Scene from Monty Python’s The Life of Brian:

https://youtu.be/FQ5YU_spBw0
Honestly, I care less about 'fixing' something so it is profitable, and more about what ethical compass people are using to make their decisions. A couple months ago it was the free speech absolutionists versus those who felt some form of regulation is needed. Now we seem to be asking "if there are limits to free speech, should discussing other media platforms be part of that?".

This makes me think that we, as a world, are failing at building an ethical framework for people to work by. Why is it that so many of us struggle to evaluate what is ethical and what isn't? It isn't taught at school, except in the context of religion. We all need to understand the principals of autonomy, beneficience, nonmaleficence & justice for starters.
lol, nostr? There are like 20 people on that, it's still just an experiment.
I use TinyURL. I’m sure other link shorteners work. When a snitch reports the tweet I add random query variables to the url and generate another short link.
Makes me wonder what role the Saudis are playing here. Did they pay him to just destroy the place and hand over data on dissidents?

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saudi_infiltration_of_Twitter

* https://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/ny-elon-musk-twitter-...
> "Elimination of Harmful Language Initiative"

I wonder if they keep this title. Fits right in with

> Unneccesary use of violent language
And is far less qualified too.

I’ve crossed paths with these “consulting” types twice in my career. I don’t mean to generalize, but these so called “engineers” didn’t understand source control or versioning, didn’t understand basic programming concepts, and lacked any sort of communication skills.

It seemed like you were working with someone who watched a couple YouTube videos (and no more than a couple videos) on some framework, with no former programming, design, or critical thinking skills, and they were now given a job title.
The UK royal family has pretty wide control over what can and cannot be said about them in the media.

There is for instance, many stories about royal improprieties that have been covered up in recent years, in exchange for “juicy” Harry & Meghan stories being circulated in their place. This is probably at the core of the schism within the royal family. I can read about it, because I’m not in the UK. Bet it’s not very well covered in the UK though.
Doesn't fighting defeat the whole purpose of being lazy?
The mastodon server he's on is getting overwhelmed; here are a few decent options I shared elsewhere for HN folks:

https://techhub.social

https://infosec.exchange

https://ioc.exchange
We are the ones extracting all the surplus money from society, so it is more important for us to stay good than for a random person to stay good.
I think @wslh is saying the if you put the best players from multiple countries together (eg, if Qatar decided to spend unlimited money to build a club team that would be eligable for UEFA club competitions) that team would be the best.

>>Hint: look at Barça.

> What do you mean

This is a reference to the Barcelona teams built with basically unlimited budgets that have dominated the European Cup.

Of course, Qatar sort of does have a UEFA team called Manchester City via the state-run Qatar Airlines sponsorship. It has a basically unlimited budget and has dominated the English premier league for a while now (although it has struggled in European competition).
Yes, indeed. Compared to drastically altering the planets climate, drowning most coastal cities, causing a mass extinction event and disrupting the freshwater supply of billions, visual changes to the landscape does seem like the minor issue.
I am confused/curious why that one in particular is causing server strain: HN has had much more contentious and faster growing (points/comment-wise) posts.
this is hallucinatory, twitter had a dozen former fbi officials on staff and was literally sent lists of tweets to delete by the DNC
Both of which paulg didn't do.
I wanna see a double-eye-blink detection for ESC key in vim. Super easy (try it!) and very natural. Probably straight forward to detect 2 rapid eye blinks using a cheap webcam + CV.
I was also exposed to a variant of BASIC in high school through my scientific calculator. I wonder if it is still the case ?
I just tried to get my head around bourgeoisie again - it is so confusing and I don’t understand why anyone would ever use the word. Whenever I see it, it is used as an insult, to mean someone that is more well off than the person saying it. The word “capitalist” seems mostly a better substitute.

For software, a programmer literally owns the means of production, so all programmers are bourgeoise? My guess is that bitwize is not proletarian, yet doesn’t see themselves as bourgeoise. I guess I struggle to understand whether proletariat and bourgeoisie convey any meaning in my country.

Disclaimer: I am definitely petite bourgeoise - that allows me to own a house like two thirds of New Zealanders do.
That is insane. They have jumped the shark on this one.

My prediction is that they will reverse many of these policies but the damage is done.

Banning controversial figures will always stir people in different directions. Banning PG when he has clearly done nothing violating the TOS will cause a storm.

I had to quit Twitter as it was far too addictive for me. If I'd not already done that this would have caused me to bail out.
I was holding the "wait and see" stance on the whole saga. I've now seen. lol
PG/YC: banned me from Bookface, kicked me out of the email groups from the 2 YC classes I was a part of (which happened to be their #1 and #2 most valuable classes - coincidentally), and Reddit is one of the most censored places on the net (easy to get something to go viral, but then it's flagged by anon mods unless you participate in payola).

I still give out "Hackers and Painters" to high school kids, but the recent reputation of YC toward free speech is laughable.
Content moderators can’t switch jobs so easily.
Looks like pg's account has been suspended. :/
There is also the fact that some people change over time. Not saying Musk wasn't always like this, but it's possible that he wasn't before, and turned into it over time.

Like my mother always used to say: "You're a liberal now, but when you get older you'll be more conservative!". Not that she was right about me, but in general I think she was right that sometimes people change.
That's one thing I really like about subscribing for services and news through Amazon or Apple, it's so much easier to cancel or pause the subscription when I want and I've never had a gigantic price hike without warning (looking at you, McClatchy...).
Not to put too fine a point on it, but it appears that he was after all.
Ideological battle comments like this are off topic, regardless of which you're battling, because they have nothing to do with the curious conversation we want here and indeed are destructive of it.

If you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules when posting here, we'd appreciate it.
This is not exactly free speech issue, because Twitter does not ban based on political preferences/opinions.

This is dishonest competition (all other major companies do the same but not as blunt: Facebook, Google, Amazon for example). Twitter could be an exception. But it won't.
Right, but if you're still there because you can't leave, then you're not going to do something stupid to get yourself immediately fired, like going rogue and suspending Paul Graham's account.
I always wondered why people are finding it so hard to hit control. And then realized I've been using ThinkPad for 25years which has control closer. Maybe it's not as insane choice / change as I always thought!
Yes but the key question is, where is the listening done and where is the data stored?
I've kept a pretty distanced opinion about Musk's Twitter dramas, figuring that the network effect and having access to the thoughts of whichever thinkers I enjoy reading is what matters. Most other stuff is ancillary to that, and challenging the ad-based funding model of media is a very interesting experiment.

But now that he's started banning the A list of intellectually interesting people, I don't see how it can end well. This decision needs to be reversed very soon, or the network effect will be destroyed.

Your tweets are the reason I bothered to register an account in the first place, so hoping that Musk figures this out sooner than the hopefully short time that's needed for most to accrete somewhere else.
Tom Redman had this idea but he took feedback from Twitter. https://digg.com/2021/one-main-character-tom-redman-recipeas...
> He didn't link to his mastodon at all, did he?

Very indirectly. He mentioned that his mastodon handle was at his site, which was linked in his twitter bio, and had said handle as the first line (excluding sidebars); only the handle, no links at all, but it's trivial to construct the link given that piece of information.
No, it's not clearly a violation. From Elon Musk:

> Casually sharing occasional links is fine, but no more relentless advertising of competitors for free, which is absurd in the extreme.

That was very casual and not at all an example of relentless advertising for competitors. It's also extremely dubious that PG was trying to evade Twitter enforcement.
> > All of Musk's previous interactions with Graham suggests that their relationship is friendly.

Mohammed bin Salman invited 30 of his closest friends to discuss public projects before arresting them and torturing them in the Ritz Carlton

Don’t ever fall into the trap of anthropomorphism of autocrats
Reconcile this with what you wrote: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1604593057676300288
Save yourself time, if you scroll far enough down you'll start to hear about crypto. It ends with,

"I recommend holding actual bitcoin"
It isn't baffling at all. It was entirely predictable by looking at his past behavior. The thai cave diver incident and Elon's slander. The hyperloop failure. The continual empty promises of FSD for tesla. His attempts to manipulate the market thru his posts, which the SEC slapped his write for.

Why would Elon take a first-principles approach, instead of the selfish, short-sighted approach of an insecure, lonely, overbearing billionaire with too much money and too many adoring fans?
Yes and no. I'd rather pay ongoing costs for something that has ongoing costs (even if that's just paying some dude to create features I don't want) rather than have it be ad supported.

Having thought on it a small amount, I know as a software creator I'd rather fleece a sheep many times over than skin him once.
No, it literally said in the rules that he posted that any attempt to get around it would also be a violation. He told people where to find it. He attempted to get around it. So it's a violation.

A stupid rule, but technically someone at Twitter has to enforce it. Since the people suspending accounts aren't in charge of what rules they enforce and which they don't.

How much you want to bet this ends up with the EU threatening Musk again?
Some people don't seem to understand the inter- part of the word internet.
Is using Mastadon (a competing service) an attempt at ban evasion?
Matt Taibbi literally said the exact opposite of this.
Eh, he still seems pretty smart. The issue is more his narcissistic traits, pettiness and emotional weakness
> Unlikely that they somehow just all got chess genius "genes" from him.

But likely that they inherited high IQ.

So perhaps when you start with sufficiently intelligence kids, you can train them to become virtually anything. But this does not apply to everyone.
I have arguably thick sausage fingers, and I routinely accidentally flag or hide posts when trying to visit a link on my phone. It's easy to accidentally do this and hard to undo. I would love it if this site would make destructive actions slightly harder to accidentally perform, or at least make it a setting.
I do truly believe that Ubuntu will be a lot more stable if you stay away from the "interim" releases. When I bring these things up with people, I do get the impression that Canonical looks at the non-LTS releases as more of a sort of public beta test to ensure the eventual LTS is solid. For the sort of stuff I do on my computer, using libraries which are up to 2 years out of date is incredibly painful; even the 6 months between interim releases is a problem sometimes.

So if you use the LTS, and the outdated packages isn't an issue for you, it makes sense that you'd be pretty happy with it. And maybe that's a use-case I'm underestimating.
People believed he could make Twitter better based on the assumption that he will implement these changes. I personally thought it'd be great if we could tailor our own recommendation algorithms. Turns out none of those happened and this has been a dumpster fire all along.
If revenue is not attached to feature planning, how are users going to influence what features get developed?
Which is why they won't go rogue: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34044705
Staff?
tldr; Musk is an idiot.
Your postscript is a bit unfair to racing drivers - it's actually an incredibly physically demanding sport.
The order Proboscidea encompasses elephants, stegodonts, and [redacted, praise Elon].
How recently is recently? To me, he showed his true colors in 2018 when he accused someone of being a pedophile because they had the audacity to disagree with an idea Musk had. He punches down, way down.
Pascal was the introductory computer language at my college in 1988. I don't remember much of it.
It's so painful to use. It's such a waste they're winning the network effect battle off of Twitter's collapse. Not that I have a better alternative (open to suggestions).
I predict that he won't last another month at the current level of insanity over at twitter before the board reluctantly push him out. I don't think they want to though.
I'm not a compiler expert, but just a note regarding your last point, devirtualization of a function call and dynamic_cast are different beasts; in fact I've never heard of an optimization of the latter as being referred to as devirtualization. (Though perhaps this is just me?)

From what I've seen, dynamic_cast is implemented as an opaque external function call (and quite a complicated one), so the compiler would need to explicitly make assumptions about its behavior before it can optimize it away. (Which it certainly could, but that's extra work for the compiler writer that would need to be worth the payoff, which in this case I imagine is probably debatable.) Virtual functions, on the other hand, don't involve an opaque call for mere target resolution, and their vtables have definitions available at compile time, so they're much more tame. So expecting devirtualization to come with dynamic_cast getting optimized away seems a bit of a non-sequitur IMO.
Making a Twitter clone is probably moderately hard. Doing so in a decentralized way is very hard.
You don't need to give notice as long as you give proper severance pay.
Is China open to adopting a culture of innovation?
> I think people deserve to control their own fate, disastrous consequences be damned

So you're ok with startups hiring homeless people as test subjects, because they are poor and will consent to basically anything?
You do know the reason why there are few visible blacks in Argentina right?

Hint: They were not repatriated back to Africa
Invoking the word libel may chill valid and valuable criticism, can you edit your post to say "insult" instead?
This is fucking sad. This is just as bad as the old Twitter that banned people for saying things like "learn to code".

Any hope for an improved Twitter is getting tossed out the window.
So you walk into Walmart with a Target shirt on and get banned from Walmart for life? Yeah. That's surely gonna happen. Not.
I have nothing against pg, except for the fact that when he said something I found absurd I had to mute him on Twitter. I don’t find propagandist compelling at all and have no interest in reading the outcome of their thoughts.
It really depends on the organization being led. Vision is not something you can easily outsource or task subordinates with. I mean one of the classic leader types would never set himself up to fail in early days SpaceX.

What a startup, a market leader and a government organization need are distinct types of leadership. Sometimes there are prodigies who can do two of these. Musk did.
More like it's not considered mostly dead (still used and taught in high performance computing).
Musk is a fraudster. Someone must compile a timeline of his claims. Just the content that pops up from Thunderf00t on Youtube calling it out is enough for investigations. The only way I see investors going along with it is embarassment, riding the tide and not knowing when it will change. SoftBank style. It's changing now, economic corrections, just a time he's leveraged more than a sane person would value his companies at. lol

Then there's China. Tesla's 25% yearly revenue after being the first US company to launch without being 50% hand-in-hand with a local business. He agreed to teach the locals his methods, and they now sell straight-up copies at half the price. lol

I'm sorry but this whole thing is one big joke.
Tired and relieved at the same time as I’ve started to ‘consume’ a whole lot less.
That saying about leopard eating peoples faces comes to mind.
I think we're speedrunning Soviet history here or something. It started with the journalists and the peasants and within weeks we're already at infighting among the party leadership. Paul actually got the Trotsky treatment lol.

In a week or two we'll be engaging in samizdat and try to climb over the Twitter walls to Mastodon while Elon is sniping people from his throne
Unfortunately, the DMA and DSA are more than a year away from enforcement.
Direct violation of the EU Digital Markets Act

Which explicitly requires "gatekeeper platforms" (like Twitter) to allow linking to other businesses.

https://commission.europa.eu/strategy-and-policy/priorities-...

Violation is a fine up to 10% of annual revenue, then 20% for repeated infringements.
pg will almost certainly be reinstated because he's a high-profile supporter.

But just because the new owner makes exceptions to his ridiculous anti-free-speech policy for high-profile supporters doesn't make it better.

In fact, selective enforcement of batshit policies makes it all much worse.
im getting a tweet not found. was that tweet from jack deleted?
That's part of what's so crazy about it. I've "known" PG from afar via his writing since before reddit was a thing, and he has always seemed like a pretty decent guy, even when I disagree with him about something. "Levelheaded" is a word that comes to mind. Seems to have done him good to get out of SV; some of the folks there seem lost in their bubbles.
After seeing PG claim that the criticism of Musk was rooted in politics yesterday, I think it's clear that he's become a Musk fanboy. Ironically, this very article is pretty useful in prescribing how to react towards PG himself.

Edit: Maybe the suspension will break PG's fanboy-ism, and he'll emerge humbler and wiser.
Can I recommend a weighted combination of those three options, with a collection of other small-weight contributions?
This is actually how I found out about several of these services. Elon's finding out the hard way that the Streisand Effect continues to work no matter how hard you swing the banhammer.
Elon keeping his promise from Nov 9:

Please note that Twitter will do lots of dumb things in coming months.

We will keep what works & change what doesn’t.

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1590384919829962752
Scala 3 released like a year ago.

Yes, it is niche but not extremely niche. People either into functional programming or that are part of the JVM ecosystem have at least heard of it. It is one of the big alternative JVM languages with Clojure and Kotlin.

Sure it won't ever overtake Java and Kotlin is eating a bit of its lunch but Tech is not a popularity contest.
If you're speaking a different language, using a different word is fine. But if you presume to claim to be speaking "English", then you should use the word they use in England.
‘Life is ebbing away’: Egyptians face peril at sea in dangerous exodus to Europe
> to comment substantively on this topic at this point

Why not? "It's a private platform!". If that very substantive statement was embraced a couple of years ago by many that have now got banned I don't see why they can't follow their own (past) advice.
A 1T model would be capable of much more than what the current version of Copilot in terms of autocompletion and even code correction. However, at that point, even with a lot of model parallelism to speedup inference, it's likely to be atleast 10x slower on the generation side. From my experience working on Codeium, a Copilot alternative, this would be too frustrating for users. It could be useful as a tool that runs asynchronously that modifies all your code at scale.
That's just, like, your opinion. What matters here is employees were fired on extremely arbitrary grounds, then had their labour rights infringed upon.
I'd advise against it.

Again, what many of us are saying is third party password managers are always a bad idea for fundamental reasons. Before, it was just the account owners and the site. Now there's a third party that has some kind of access, and that third party is a juicy target.

Under what guarantee then? Why believe they are safe, especially since time has shown that many are not.

It's dumb, and I will continue to maintain that it's dumb right up until one of these companies offers indemnifcation or some other serious grown-up guarantee.

I will pay for your service if and only if you pay me if/when you mess up.
> how often are you going to do that in your life?

Small startups use password sharing tools to share passwords with new employees (think db passwords or other saas accounts). This happens at least a once per month in a 10 person organization.
Perceiving without seeing: How light resets your internal clock
Fortran presumably didn't make the list because it's not dead. Scientific-computing labs still use it directly, and perhaps more importantly, if you write code today that does any kind of linear algebra, it's probably using foundational libraries that are written in Fortran and still actively maintained as such, even though most users call them through FFI from newer languages that offer a better developer experience.
This is the quintessential American take on soccer. It's ok if you're not a soccer fan. Soccer doesn't need to be like hockey or basketball, where teams can be dogshit for most of the season and still wind up as champions.
Twitter gave a firehose access to just about everyone who asked in 2010. My university used to do all sorts of data science experiments with Twitter data around 2012.
> http://www.paulgraham.com/, which contains a link to his Mastodon profile

It doesn't even contain a link. It contains the mastodon handle (username and instance), but you can't click on it because it's not a link; you can paste it on the search bar of your own instance to follow him (and see some of his posts, if someone on the same instance has already followed him).