skysight-inc/HackerNews huggingface dataset:
> blatant attempts at ban evasion

This is a very strange way to describe what's going on at Twitter.

Musk has loudly announced that you're not allowed to even link to your other profiles on any other social media sites, or even describe indirectly how to find them. No major social media site has ever done something quite this anticompetitive, and certainly not all this scale. I've been using the Internet since the Eternal September, and this is a ludicrous policy.
I use that word roughly to mean that they had their own internal clique, standards that they wanted to apply to the rest of the world, and that small group of people was trying to govern a very large group of people.

I changed my phrasing to remove that term, because that's not quite what it means.
Do you think paulg will admit he was wrong about elon?
They're still in denial and posting equivalents of "no one could have ever predicted this" to all the people who absolutely predicted this.

There were many of us that could see through Elon's, and Donald's, and SBF's bullshit from day 1.

But for too many people, it's just not possible to admit they were wrong, or anyone else might have been right.
Finally signed up, seems fine. I think the big problem is if the servers will be able to handle the volume.
hilarious. after PG was bending over backwards to still give oh elon the benefit of the doubt, still a smart guy, etc etc.

this is a complete and utter clown show. elon has shown his true colors, as have the many tech luminaries who still claim the twitter titanic can be righted and make it home after its half underwater and folks are running for the lifeboats.
Maaan, the expression "ban evasion" is becoming as meaningless as "free speech" along with "bias" and so on.

People just use them fully randomly.
I don’t think this necessarily is evidence of his not being smart, as it could just as well be ascribed to malice.

Perhaps this will finally prompt Paul to stop giving him the benefit of the doubt though. I’ve long been flummoxed as to why he had continued to, long after it becoming obvious to most that it was not deserved.
I’d bet on a good mix of 2 and 3 here.
welcome to rentier economy.
I don't have an exact number, but let me answer your question with another question — why else are the most popular VR games (Beatsaber, Alyx etc.) either completely static or move-by-teleport? My suspicion is that they were playtested _ad nauseam_ and this showed significant portion of the players to be affected.

> I can definitely feel off at 60Hz, but no problem so far at 120 if the latency is kept to a minimum.

This is a common misconception and the type of nausea I'm talking about has nothing to do with the screen update latency or head tracking latency. Strongest effect happens when you're mostly stationary in the real world (sitting or standing on the floor) but moving in VR (let's say riding a rollercoaster). In this case, your vision tells your body that you should feel acceleration/deceleration, but your inner ear tells your body you're completely stationary. This is a contradiction commonly associated with intoxication and body deals with it accordingly.

I accept that strength of the effect is different for everyone, for me personally when I tried the rollercoaster demo on Quest 1 nausea lasted for 2 hours (!) despite the fact that I was never seasick in my life before.
What do you think the odds are that elon did it or even knew about it?
As a customer, I do hate subscription for everything...

But as an entrepreneur, I think subscription revenue is a good business model to support the ongoing development of a business.

To find a balance, I don't think it's necessary to make monthly subscription a default option. Daily or even hourly subscription could also work -
https://www.listennotes.com/blog/instead-of-monthly-billing-...
Every modern gasoline vehicle should be fine at those temps even without a block heater. It's just a question of can your 12v battery deliver enough power to start it, but that's a problem you can solve in 30min if you encounter it (bring your battery inside).
"Elon could have come in, aligned the website to be a lot more neutral"

How?

"slimmed down the employee count"

Why would you care about this? How could he know which half of the company should be fired? How does this improve Twitter?

" and pushed for more features and more payments for features to get away from dependence on advertisers."

Besides paying to be verified, a system which changed rapidly over weeks being enabled and disabled, what else did he do?

"I saw some headline a few weeks ago about Japanese trending on Twitter went from a whole bunch of political stuff to more neutral cultural stuff"

What does this mean? That the Japanese Twitter population all shifted to discussing culture over politics? Why would they do that? What does it have to do with Elon Musk taking over?

"Stuff like that is what I wanted to see."

Culture is shaped by politics, at least to some degree. Also "culture wars"
As it happens, I live in King County, but in an area serviced by a suburban (former rural) electric co-op. Plenty of falling trees here, as well. But we consistently have fewer blackouts every year than my friends in Redmond and Bellevue.
What I don't understand is why so many people are so patient to give Musk so much benefit of the doubt, when he's shown zero capacity for even-keeled self-correction.
I still don't think the site was neutral, I just also think the current person is also not neutral and is worse.
Man the last two weeks have been wild
Could be personal/family issues as well. Perhaps his daughter transitioning genders and disavowing him, combined with Grimes moving on to date a transgender woman triggered something inside of him to go on this crusade against the "Woke" who he blames for these things happening.
You're right, about the previous Twitter administration and how it worked. Take away this (big) pinch and Twitter can be a real improvement on the last version.

I have trouble swallowing this abuse of market power because the courts and govts have allowed so much such abuse for so long. It's a big issue for me (and the EU.) Without that context, I might find it easier to shrug off.

No question, speech and community make for interesting decisions; if he can stay within the law, he'll have a fair bit of leeway from me.
@paulg@mas.to is his mastodon address, FYI. He got banned for saying that it was on his website, without any actual links.
> I think the more important thing here is that the very idea that something should update itself is so incredibly insanely broken and I cannot for the life of me understand why it's the norm.

Eek hard disagree.

Most things I want to auto-update. Preferably at 4am. Somethings I want to disable auto-update.

What I never want is things to update when I’m in the middle of something.
The links to the Saudis and their previous attempts to infiltrate Twitter make me wonder just how much the destruction was planned (and what else they're getting out of the deal):

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saudi_infiltration_of_Twitter

* https://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/ny-elon-musk-twitter-...
This seems like gaslighting? My interpretation of the recent files reports were the opposite.
Yes, oh my goodness. And it's not just software--I've been feeling this pretty acutely while holiday shopping. Have lost way too much time funneled and sidetracked onto subscription-only "box" sites.

And I just got dark-pattern-suckered into a nakedwines.com subscription...
Gotta give that one to the Patriots beating the Falcons with the (by far) biggest comeback in NFL Super Bowl history, all in the 4th quarter.

It required about 8 minutes of nearly perfect play to keep their chances alive.
Confirming archive: <https://archive.vn/ucUdh>
He didn't link to his mastodon at all, did he?

Twitter is one of the reasons I became an engineer - I was able to follow and see the mutterings of indie game devs in Copenhagen (vlambeer, if anyone knows them). 15 year old me responded the most inane things to their posts, but it exposed me to work ethics, communities, and possibilities in the computing world I never would have found growing up in Kentucky. I taught myself how to code to make games. I left the state to get a CS degree (the state's schools didn't offer a dedicated one at the time), made a game, and I now work at a FANG.

Without that online twitter community of people who really got what I was interested in, it might have been a passing interest. Even if I couldn't participate at the same level, at least I could watch them do so!

I'll never forget watching Ferguson happen live, the Arab Spring, or even the initial days of Covid in Jan 2020 as I scoured it for morsels.

I stopped using it a while ago, but this is so sad, feeling eulogistic.
> What is the grand plan now in their world view?

He's getting his enemies to call for free speech and giving them an object lesson in how capricious moderation can be.

Sometimes the best way to change minds from a position of power is to get your adversaries to make your case for you.
Well, he most likely will still get an opportunity to use Twitter if he so chooses.

No one said anything about it being a good version of Twitter.
I believe that the current ad revenue model is facing a challenge due to the shift from a search-based approach to a dialogue-based one. People are more likely to use a local model to filter the web and communicate in a Q&A format. This means that fewer ads will be visible, making it more difficult for businesses to generate revenue in this new paradigm. Why search when you can ask directly for the answer?

BTW, local models underperform GPT-3 but they can still perform decently (eg. FLAN T5, GPT NeoX)
Someone needs to build a Twitter clone, with the exact same UX and features as Twitter, just a different branding and an adult CEO.
That's not very free speech of twitter, now is it?
If Twitter is going down, I think it's going down well before 2024 rolls around.

Also, I don't think Twitter is ever going to be the same. It trades heavily on its reputation, and reputation damage isn't so easily undone. People who left and found something else, won't be coming back.
It bugs me anyway where it can't (I have a couple of games that refuse running on linux)
Hi, I'm one of those people, I don't have any more grand plans and this is absurd.
He in fact forced the founders of Tesla out of the company to call himself founder.
Wait what? Not my take on this at all.
Just a reminder for turbulent times: send tweets you find interesting to archive.ph or archive.is
Have you watch this? “Diego Maradona Goal of the Century | Argentina v England | 1986 FIFA World Cup” [1]

[1] https://youtu.be/Da_CDPRG2j0
If you follow soccer you will know that diving in the box trying to get a PK is a thing since… I don’t know, PKs were added to the rule? Seriously though, I’ve seen my share of games where a player had a good chance of scoring but decide to dive and try to get a PK instead. These days, with VAR, it might not work as well as it did before.
I only wish my subscriptions would auto pause or cancel when i stop using them actively.

Of course that's the whole point of the subscription model, they want you to set and forget.
What happened to the whole “it’s a private company so it can do whatever”? Looks like people don’t like it when the winds blow against them.
Twitter generally limits threads to < 20 replies, you need to click a button to see more. Large HN threads have 200+ replies.
It’s crazy how people can look at Elon’s twitter saga and come away with the impression that he is a good people manager.
Good lord, don't recommend reddit in general! Recommend specific subreddits!

r/all and similar are populated by politically active teens with no understanding of context or nuance or how to have a level headed discussion.
The support duration of an operating system is different from the quality of how it handles autoupdates. Unsupported Android devices can still receive updates to apps from the Play Store. We were talking about application updates specifically and not operating system updates which while similar, are typically handled differently.

Upgrading Android apps does not need a reboot of the device either. Again live patching is a separate feature from automatic application updates. If you read the article it shows a case where a Roussel is fruterated with how live patching is broken on desktop Linux. Meanwhile on Android apps don't do that when they are updated.
Maybe. Good luck figuring out what the method to run them is this week.
Yea but doesn’t bring Apple App Store rules to mind that’s nonsense.
That doesn't sound like a good advertising strategy for a well established platform, especially given how likely HN users are to block ads.
AIUI, 2Y ago he gave away the lyrics.

The snag is that some of his songs are set to others' melodies, for instance, Gilbert & Sullivan provided the melody for "the Elements".

Now, he is adding the melodies and other rights which he owns.
pg said almost exactly those words 30 days ago

https://imgur.com/a/HtOh4yt
Yes, sorry. Unusual traffic, especially for a Sunday.
It's ironic that they still haven't restored the option to have labels for the other buttons, but will add this absolutely useless unremovable label instead.
Yeah, dang has just posted the following at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34044475

"[...] but mostly because the traffic on this is boiling our poor server and I need to resort to tricks. Sorry all!"
Elon Musk is quite literally destroying the platform all on his own. Utter waste of $44B. Once there's a critical mass of news outlets on a competing platform, that will be the end of Twitter in my opinion. In fact, I think it makes a lot of sense for news outlets to invest in such a platform.
I've lived in India, UK and USA for atleast 5 years in each.

I would take USA in a heartbeat if I can have good insurance

You are getting cutting edge care in USA. For example, My father has prostate cancer and latest NCNN guidelines recommend 'triplet therapy' [1] at diagnosis and is the standard in USA. But in UK they you only get chemo and ADT via NHS.

They also have major delays (years) in getting latest medical innovations, eg: Daraloutamide isn't available via NHS for PC so you are out of luck if you cannot tolerate the only available option there ( enzalutamide). I personally know family in UK who have Cardiovascular events on Enzalutamide but can't access Darolutamide because it isn't available via NHS.

There are also a wider variety of clinical trail options in USA compared to UK when you run out of SOC options. you can check here https://clinicaltrials.gov/ to see which country has the most research going on when you get to that stage.

I urge you to do major research your options because its literally life and death. Seek out experts who can make this decision for you based on available options. Imagine losing years of your life because you made a country decision based on generic internet comments :/ .

1. https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fphar.2022.9559...
That's exactly why I included it. People automatically think inlining is my intention. In reality I avoid templates and not all of my code is in a class. It's short enough to be a candidate for inlining so I put it in a header.

I was hoping more comments would discuss this
They could start by simply including the code around previous cursor positions as additional context the same way they do with code from other files. Nothing specific to the edits themselves. That alone would help a lot I think. Maybe they already do but I don't think so based on the behavior I see, and this article doesn't mention anything like that.

But Copilot is getting tons of live editing data from its users too, and soon should be able to construct a nice dataset of edits. There's no way they aren't already doing that.
> anyone who didn't like Musk or the "extreme hardcore" could have taken the severance

If they aren't held hostage by a H-1B visa.
I don't mean in the sense of "this is a hard problem in computer science" but more "the specific software that runs HN (Arc) haven't been optimized for this". That there is pagination on the comment thread is something that was added as a stopgap to prevent the issue from being even worse. At one point, HN was almost unusable as lots of comment threads hit the limit, so they added the pagination thing while trying to figure out how to solve it properly. I'm sure if you search for "by:dang pagination" or something similar you can find more information about it.
Actually, it was changed to macOS in 2016 for 10.12 Sierra, to align the branding across Apple's various platforms (iOS/macOS/tvOS/watchOS).
Yeah, it's like those WW2 movies in Japanese POW camps in the jungle. One of the allied officers yanks their chain, they send him to cooler, and the soldiers cheer the officer.

Except PG made kissy noises with the POW guards and said to the soldiers "I still think they are very civilized" as he went on to the cooler. That bit wasn't in the original script.
You are right. Yet, why is his not a personal attack on Elon?
I think that's the question with fusion right? I think we've already answered that we can do it in the affirmative. I think that will happen too eventually. It's a question of technology, engineering, manufacturing, and scale. That takes time and investment. Anyone who says it can't be done is being a fool. You don't know what you don't know. Betting against innovation with an open timeline is not a smart bet.
Yes, that was a Tweet by Musk at some point. Well, we know now how that test played out.
I thought following Mastodon was against free speech, why else would Elon ban it
I agree. Mastadon in concept is OK but execution is quite poor.
And right now, he has been banned on twitter.

Does not Musk realize that this makes him look really bad?
I'd suggest not being afraid to have two accounts -- join one that's more niche where the local instance community might be interesting and join one of the main/large ones.

It's easy enough to sync up follows.

Some small ones block the large ones (for their moderation policies), so having the small account will let you follow anyone, and the large can be a hedge if the smaller one becomes unstable
Musk personally policing twitter is pretty obvious for, like, last month or more. He personally picks accounts to restore and accounts to close.

And there are very clear patterns in both. Including him announcing some of these on Twitter.
> How many levels deep does their new policy go? It sounds like they violated it

They can’t violate it, because it doesn’t restrict them in any way.
No worries, you can still contact PG on Mastodon.
You have misunderstood what Elon and I are referring to by 'ban evasion'.

You may disagree with the policy of banning the promotion of alternative social platforms, but that is the rule. Trying to break that rule while not getting banned is blatantly ban evasion.
Ask HN: What part of your product would you like as a white-label solution?
What part of your product would you like automated?

Is there any part of your application that you spend a lot of time on?

Would you have an external team build a part of your product , which part would it be? I wonder about what you are currently considering as a core part of your product, but wouldn't mind if it was done by an external entity
I think there’s a decent chance this was a bit of “malicious compliance” by someone inside Twitter, rather than a personal decision by Musk himself.

And lest you think this sounds like I’m defending him, I think that explanation actually makes it funnier: give a brutally honest demonstration of the absurdity and hypocrisy of this policy by banning someone Musk probably wouldn’t actually enforce the policy on, and then say you were just following orders.
> They used to work very hard to make sure updates didn't break popular programs that used undocumented hacks.

Obsessively.

I worked for a company that sold a security auditing tool. We cared very much about which version of Windows we were running on. When Microsoft came out with the next version of Windows and to our dismay, we found out that our software recognized it as the old version.

Turns out that Microsoft had found (pre release) that the new version broke our software. It reported "unknown version" or something. So they added us to a long list of applications that, when those applications asked for what version of Windows they were running on, Windows lied and told them an earlier version.

It cost us some heartburn to work around Windows trying to be helpful to us...
The east side has lots of blackouts (I WFH with many, and they will go OOF a lot during wind storms), mainly Kirkland, Bellevue, Redmond. Oddly enough, they have a lot of buried lines as well, at least more than we do in Seattle, and here in Ballard we don’t have outages nearly as much as they do. Maybe we simply don’t have as many trees over here?
That seems like a non sequitur. You want to explain what you were thinking here?
This is the greatest internet drama I've seen in a while.

Billionaire cosplays as a knowledge leader.

Does things that hurts him self and new company.

People leave

Billionaire can't figure out why and tried to stop the bleed.

I can't wait for eu fines

Burn baby burn
Testla is market leader in "tesla cars"… which is an odd way to define a market leader.

Spacex, I honestly don't know enough to comment about.
Twitter is a good deal bigger than reddit. At least pre-Elon. 200MM+ DAU vs 50MM+.
It's allowed to be annoyed about it.
Slight tangent:
What is going on with the HN post ranking system? This post is showing in rank 2 with over 400 points while being submitted under an hour ago, while the IRS post at number one right now has barely over 100 points and was submitted over an hour ago.

This post is both fresher and with more overall points, shouldn’t it outrank?
Yeah the real killer was in the detailed policy announcement. Killing 3rd party aggregator will negatively impact content creators who never planned to leave or undermine Twitter in the first place.
Their JetBrains plugin is written in Kotlin / Java but it spins up a agent server written in node.js which handles the business logic (building the prompt, caching, making completion requests to their API). I assume most of the code is shared between the VSCode extension and this javascript agent.
> The "leftist cabal" theories are thoroughly disproven now.

Just the other day there was a post in here of the FBI getting actively involved in censoring Twitter content, if it had been only the "leftist cabal" involved (btw, there's nothing genuinely "leftist" about those people, but that's another story) things would have been way better.
Banned for being too high profile and mentioning Mastodon, essentially.
Twitter is now an editorial media and no longer a social media platform
Meanwhile others have been warning about his lunacy for years and up till recently have faced nothing but backlash from his internet armies. It just feels so good to see comments like yours. It's out in the open now, everyone now knows he is a greedy charlatan.
Having a personal website with contact information is not URL cloaking or plaintext onfuscation. Those TOS are ludicrous to begin with, but are not by any reasonable understanding written to say that you can not have a personal website with other social media.
Musk is doing the things that he would have made fun of other CEO's doing two years ago.
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