> Like the HN right now, it doesn't solve anything, right.

What do you mean? It definitely solves a problem of information sharing, spreading, foster discussion, and creates some networking which definitely do add value, it might not be instant but there are various stories on HN about how HN affected their lives. Be with founders meeting, people getting ideas for starting products and so on. That's tangible value, even if a little abstract.

> In the morning I bought stuff on Amazon, but it also doesn't solve any real problem.

Again, I don't understand, you bought something expecting it to do something for you, solving an actual problem. If not it's just pure consumerism in a way that might even be pathological, buying stuff for no reason at all is extremely bizarre.

Solving something means to actually provide an economical value, an outcome with tangible impact in the real world. People sharing knowledge and information provides tangible value in the real world. People buying stuff they want to use for a hobby, profession, entertainment, etc., have a tangible impact in the real world.

You are going full post-modernism on what "value" or "solving a problem" means without directing the conversation to your point, you are almost completely paraphrasing SBF's words from this interview [1]:

> Let me give you sort of like a really toy model of it, which I actually think has a surprising amount of legitimacy for what farming could mean. You know, where do you start? You start with a company that builds a box and in practice this box, they probably dress it up to look like a life-changing, you know, world-altering protocol that's gonna replace all the big banks in 38 days or whatever. Maybe for now actually ignore what it does or pretend it does literally nothing. It's just a box. So what this protocol is, it's called ‘Protocol X,’ it's a box, and you take a token. You can take ethereum, you can put it in the box and you take it out of the box. Alright so, you put it into the box and you get like, you know, an IOU for having put it in the box and then you can redeem that IOU back out for the token.

> So far what we've described is the world's dumbest ETF or ADR or something like that. It doesn't do anything but let you put things in it if you so choose. And then this protocol issues a token, we'll call it whatever, ‘X token.’ And X token promises that anything cool that happens because of this box is going to ultimately be usable by, you know, governance vote of holders of the X tokens. They can vote on what to do with any proceeds or other cool things that happen from this box. And of course, so far, we haven't exactly given a compelling reason for why there ever would be any proceeds from this box, but I don't know, you know, maybe there will be, so that's sort of where you start.

> And then you say, alright, well, you’ve got this box and you’ve got X token and the box protocol declares, or maybe votes by on-chain governance, or, you know, something like that, that what they're gonna do is they are going to take half of all the X tokens that were re-minted. Maybe two thirds will, two thirds will offer X tokens, and they're going to give them away for free to whoever uses the box. So anyone who goes, takes some money, puts in the box, each day they're gonna airdrop, you know, 1% of the X token pro rata amongst everyone who's put money in the box. That's for now, what X token does, it gets given away to the box people. And now what happens? Well, X token has some market cap, right? It's probably not zero. Let say it's, you know, a $20 million market …

[1] https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-04-25/sam-bankm...