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I find them easy to read. It's a style imposed by the need to be exhaustively specific. Just keep at it, you get used to it.
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I this this a dangerously weak argument against things like SOPA. Congress deals routinely with technical matters far outside the experience of most of its members. Very few members of Congress can pilot a plane, price an option, inspect a copper mine, gauge the damage of X parts per million of some contaminant in the water supply, or, for that matter, provide for and maintain a Navy like the Constitution demands of them.

The argument against SOPA can't be "Congress has no business wading outside its technical competency"; it has to be, "this is a bad proposal, intrinsically, for reasons X, Y, and Z".
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I'm one of the bought-it-just-this-morning crowd, so I'm doing the "MTP, WTF?" dance with everyone else. For the record, for folks who don't yet know: ICS has dumped the idea of managing the internal storage as a FAT32 filesystem that can be mounted on the USB host. Instead, it stores it internally in ext4 and uses the Media Transfer Protocol to export it over USB.

I found this gadget, which is a fuse wrapper around libmtp: http://www.adebenham.com/mtpfs/

It's not packaged (though libmtp is on fedora 16 at least), but is trivially buildable and installs just a single binary. Then "mtpfs /local/mount/dir" will mount your phone's /data partition for you. Much cleaner than trying to sync via a media player IMHO.
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Perhaps 'early' and 'late' are not as important as the fact that there is a peak - people don't seem to be famous/productive in a sustained way. The 'early' and 'late' is probably continuous, you can peak anytime, but you tend not to hold it.
I agree. The tone is not for me and it sounds really put on.

"The only piece of advice I am going to give you is this:

Shut the hell up and type this in then try to understand it.

Sorry to be mean, but that's what you have to do. You have an irrational fear of the command line and the only way to conquer an irrational fear is to just shut up and fight through it."

Why say "shut the hell up"? Why assume that the reader has an irrational fear? Most people are just trying to learn because they currently don't know. Not because they are afraid. They don't need some kind of drill sergeant to aggressively push them into it. They've already taken the initiative to seek out the knowledge and begin reading it.
I am not familiar with the aftermath of the digg fiasco, does anyone know if they ever tried back peddling?

If it was me, I would return the site back to what it was, and apologize profusely...
You could have verified the assumption that Mozilla doesn't do code review in 5 minutes here: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/

What do you think the "r=" lines are?
(I submitted this, but don't know the author personally, so there are some assumptions built into to the following.)

[edit- regarding issue of straw man perception]
The issue is that nobody who makes beautiful novelty thinks their own work is beautiful novelty. (So nobody will appear in favor of it, even if they make it.)

So it's not quite a straw man. Everybody agrees that a certain type of thing is bad, but nobody thinks they themselves are responsible for that thing.

I suspect the author has some specific start-ups in mind but didn't want to call them out. Why have people be distracted by the drama of him dissing $startup in a blog post when he really wants people to ponder a more big picture idea?
I doubt they did, I expect it was his choice.
Design is clarity.

Design is intention.

Design is function.

Design is appeal.

And, sure, design is appearance.

It should be no surprise that, yes, if you can pump enough raw "value" into something, however you care to define value, that you can ignore or short shrift design. Go ahead, limit your chances by killing your first impressions. Write poorly in your presentations while you are at it.

I mean if gold starts pouring out of your user's computer's USB ports when they load up your web page, you're right. They won't care what the background color is or what that blob in your logo is supposed to represent. If the reward is high enough, they'll kill themselves finding that magic button among all the log ins, captchas, and cryptic navigation tools.

But if you're trying to sell a new idea, one that may be unfamiliar, or if your "value" depends on the size of your user base, you might want to spent the time and effort to respect your user enough to make it clear what you intend to do. And what's in it for them.

Good ideas, and value, are sometimes not enough. They require a context to be useful and acceptable. Good engineers know this.

And, sometimes, a nice little shrubbery, in just the right place, and a splash of color, can make all the difference.
I'm always amazed at the minutiae that drives peoples experiences. It's true that the backplate is very thin. It "peels" from the phone more than snaps to it. I noticed that immediately and just filed it away as "interesting". Maybe it saves a half millimeter of thickness, who knows? Didn't seem important to me at all.
I use a macbook as my main workstation, but all my development happens in linux VMs. It only takes a few minutes to install a headless ubuntu in VMWare, so I create a new one for every project I start. This has several advantages:

- No configurations/installs from previous projects screwing things up (I know you can use tools like RVM and virtual-env, but in my experience starting from scratch is easier).

- Snapshots. It's great to be able to restore from a snapshot when you bork an upgrade.

- I've become very good at configuring a basic LAMP stack from memory.

Screen+Vim and the ability to suspend/resume machine images makes for an extremely flexible and ubiquitous development environment. I've considered doing this with AWS but there are still odd times where I find myself without an internet connection.
I'm curious where this list of people came from. Some are much more notable than others. Are they part of a group, have common investors, or what?
Ohhh yep, Yegge has talked about this. Meanwhile, at NYU some MS students are excited to interview with them. Hope they know what they're in for...
Although I may agree with the premise in the article, I'm sick of this meme like quality of HN headlines. Must we parrot popular, sensationalist headlines to get a point across? The purpose of these articles is to stir up enough controversy to get to the front page of HN.
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And yet Apple is/was the most valuable company in the world, largely due to design.

Saying "design is horseshit" makes about as much sense as saying "engineering is horseshit" or "writing well is horseshit". Read: it makes absolutely no sense.
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It has sort of dawned on me that working as a non-founding employee in a startup is like working hard to enrich other people (the founders, some investors, etc).

In a big company, things are a bit more "spread out". It's very unlikely that your work may catapult your big company into stratospheric valuation levels. At most, you will help improve the product line and increase profits, which are enjoyed by all employees via stock options.

In a startup, the work of some key employees may make the difference between a viable/successful product and a failed product, and in turn may make the difference between a huge exit and complete failure.

The thing is, though, that those key employees are unlikely to see much of a return on their hard work. From all the horror stories we have been reading about on HN lately (about preferred stock, etc) there are many ways in which employees end up with a pittance. The people who end up with the most money are the investors, the founders and maybe some high-level executives that were brought in.

It seems very demotivating to me to think that my work is basically just a pursuit of making other people rich.

Big company life may not be as 'exciting' as startup life, but it seems more motivating to do your share and get your share in return.

Even in big companies, I can see that executives make far more when the stock goes up than regular employees, but it's not like those executives will make zero without you. You are a small piece of the big picture and are rewarded accordingly (with a good salary, usually great benefits, and stock options). In a startup you could be a big piece of the puzzle and still not make much, even if your contributions result in others making millions instead of zero.

Of course, a lot of people are in it for more than just the money, but still when I recently saw all those higher-ups together and realized that my team and I are working hard to essentially enrich others, it has been very demotivating.

What do you guys think?
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Design is not a pretty facade to a product, and designers aren't just responsible for aesthetics. Design is as much about how the product works as how it looks, and a designer worth their stock options understands that they aren't drawing pretty pictures of websites, they're designing with a purpose: to create an enjoyable experience and ultimately a functional, beautiful product that adds value to users lives.
We all know that Reddit is far more large than HN. To me, the chart serves to illustrate how far Digg has fallen, and that reddit's profile has risen far above Digg's greatest height. Meanwhile, HN is steadily gaining ground, albeit in a much more narrowly focused area of topics, as you note.
I’m not entirely sure why you are attributing things to me I never said and I’m also not quite sure in what context you are responding to me. What’s this “beautiful novelty” you are talking about?
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A startup blogger writes a polemic with a blatantly baiting headline. Within 24 hours, another startup blogger will write a rebuttal with an equally baiting headline. Both will incite winding debates on Hacker News.

Meanwhile, other people will somehow manage to create value, ostensibly the goal of both bloggers, without writing confrontational screeds, perhaps even writing insightful blog posts intended to inspire and challenge rather than stir up conflict.

Maybe it's writing polemics that is horseshit.
Not only that, but his countering suggestion is a single word, "value", that he doesn't define or substantiate. Beyond any simple idea of what people want, you almost always need to build a product that they can use and like to use, and that needs good design. Not graphic design -- interaction design.

Why so many of these content-less posts on HN front page lately?
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Design is a buzzword these days. And as a result I have no idea what this guy is railing against.
The problem I think you are trying to solve isn't much of a problem.

I've been developing with CMS applications for 12+ years and have never once ran into any of the issues you described above (failed upgrades, hackings, site-jackings, buggy plugins) to such a degree that I wanted/needed to completely switch the CMS platform.

I'd urge you to NOT build a product for developers. I know it's tempting because the ideas we (developers) come up with follow the 'scratch your itch' advice. I wrote a blog post about this: http://www.travisdoes.com/you-itch-sucks-scratch-somebody-el...

I'd highly recommend you focus your efforts on building a B2B SaaS product. There are millions of great opportunities to build boring, but profitable niche products.

If you need help finding some ideas, shoot me an email.
Have you considered the SF Bay Area?
why do we need to spy on other governments unless we're going to war with somebody? The US has overthrown 50 governments since wwii. How about we srop doing that?
Just curious, did you try contacting them and ask for a student discount? That works more often than you'd think.
It's sad isn't it?

It's like a tabloid rag now, the owners of digg should just get it over with and let TMZ buy it.
Ah, I just meant that things can seem like a straw man if nobody is arguing the other side... but it isn't a straw man just because nobody identifies with that side (but do actually live and breathe that side).

"Beautiful novelty" is the phrase he used to describe "pretty (but) shitty" start-ups (another phrase in the post).
It proves that people will attempt to prove the Internet has ethics when a famous comic tries an experiment like this. It won't be the same in most cases and over time, it will be back to business as usual.

It's also interesting to note that many people shared it on bittorrent.

http://thepiratebay.org/search/louis%20ck/0/99/0

This is just one site. I imagine there are many more people.

So what are the excuses for sharing it? too expensive ($5)...too inconvenient (no DRM)? There are no restrictions, yet it's still shared.
They've also got the 'Creator' line which is more of what I traditionally think of Lego.

So, when I bought a set that's the one I chose. Now, I did have to wade through the other 30 brands to find it, but I was happy they still had at least one choice.

Now more people should buy these if the market wants it - but I'll agree these aren't marketed enough.
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Do you disagree with this polemic?

It's pretty specific and clear: it argues that plenty of startups are successful with virtually no design at all, with interfaces as clunky as "clients call us on the phone" or "emailing spreadsheets back and forth". It implicitly argues, "early stage startups are continuously faced with a choice of spending energy on design† or on customer discovery", and "early stage startups should virtually always opt for customer discovery".

I can see how a reasonable person might disagree with that.

I don't see how a reasonable person could say that the question isn't a reasonable one to pose.

† Admittedly a synecdoche for lots of other things, like scalability, code quality, test coverage, &c
Fun rant. I wish he defined what exactly he means by design. (Amusing exercise: replace all occurrences of 'design' with 'blub'.) The core of the post for me was:

> Stop creating shitty startups that look amazing. A product or service that is indispensably useful yet looks like ass is infinitely more likely to be successful than a product that solves zero problems but looks like a work of art.

I'd say sure, in general, though that does beg the question for what problems so many "useless" but successful apps solve. (Mindless entertainment, I guess.) More importantly, though, "design" and functionality and usefulness are not at odds.

For some fun (probably less comprehensible) rantings in the other direction, have a look at http://richardkulisz.blogspot.com/2011/05/engineers-are-infe... and http://richardkulisz.blogspot.com/2011/06/design-principles-...
"It has sort of dawned on me that working as a non-founding employee in a startup is like working hard to enrich other people (the founders, some investors, etc)."

Exactly my thoughts. You put as much effort as a founder with a payout many times less. You even might get shown the door when it gets bought out.

This is why I won't ever work for a startup..unless it's my own.
I think he gets that. I think he sees the real tradeoff, between elegant, usable, pleasurable user experiences that in and of themselves make people want to come back to the product, and raw value creation. And he's saying, for early stage startups, raw value creation is more important no matter how clunky it is.
Design != making things beautiful.

In fact, the design community faces a huge problem because almost everyone thinks design == make things beautiful and that is one of the things that has been holding back design in startups for so long.

commieneko said it well:

"Design is clarity.
Design is intention.
Design is function.
Design is appeal.
And, sure, design is appearance."

So yes, spending a ton of time altering the drop shadow on your button and the RGB value of your logo might be time wasted in a startup. But spending time clarifying what your product does, or devising a smoother way to onboard users, or figuring out a way to highlight your more expensive plan, or any number of other things good designers are thinking about while also "making things beautiful" is not wasting time.
Everyone is clear on that. 'there' was simply providing a reason they would say that other than to raise the price.
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Thanks for the feedback.

That seems like a more appropriate option, but it didn't occur to me. I don't mean to act like an ass.
Actually, designing a smoother on-ramping process is a huge waste of time if you're trying to on-ramp users into a product they're not going to find valuable. This point seems pedantic but isn't; plenty of startups create well-oiled machines that nobody needs, and fail as a result.
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Horseshit has been getting a pretty bad rap lately.
What are the roles of each person? Is the younger person the hacker and the older person the bizdev? Or vice versa?

If the older person is the bizdev and has a lot of domain expertise, then it's a HUGE advantage!
I know what the phrase means but I think examples are kind of necessary. They don’t even have to be real.

I’m guessing people who think that looking pretty (which is not the same as having good design – though the author of this text seems to believe so) is all that’s needed are really out there. Some. Maybe. I don’t know. But that doesn’t seem to be a view embodied in any way on the website he was linking to and specifically saying he was responding to.

I can’t find the arguments he is responding to on the website he says he is responding to. I think that’s kind of important.
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"that solves zero problems but looks like a work of art"

"It is to a massive degree much, much easier to spend a week pushing pixels to create something beautiful"

"Everyone’s a fucking designer now

If there’s one thing you can rely on everyone having an opinion on, it’s how something should look."

"no shimmering design"

"They didn’t solve problems! Who fucking cares how it looks!"

I don't think he gets it at all.
Good point, but surely using a key like nosort makes the intent clearer.
I understand why you wouldn't like the tone he's writing with, but if you reread those carefully you're going to find that they don't refute my point.

I'm so much less interested in discussing one guy's style than I am in the real point he's making. Nobody's going to remember this blog post in 2 weeks. But startups are going to continue running aground on the mistake he's pointing out.

Note carefully: by "gets it", I'm not saying he gets, like, "the universe", the "ineffable 'it'". I'm saying, the thing you don't think he gets, that there's a real material cost to ignoring design, he probably does get. The fact that bad design has a cost isn't dispositive, because the cost of bad design has to be weighed against the benefit of spending that effort somewhere else.
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Why is it that any website with a fixed element on the screen is so damn laggy?
I definitely do not identify as a "startup blogger". I'm not even really a blogger.

This is just a topic that bugged me.
Design is how it works, not just how it looks.
It's not that bad! (Django's site has lots of lime green, for instance.)
I do have strong feeling about this particular meme – but I really should have toned down my writing a bit. Ah, well, you can’t always find the right words.
I can't speak for him. But for me, "beautiful novelty" is often a site that impresses me, but doesn't convince me to use it (even if i am its target- so it's not like just because i don't have a dog, and it's a site for dog-owners or whatever).

I imagine that beautiful novelty, like beauty, is subjective and something not everybody would agree on a case by case basis. Though I bet most people have seen a site that had no flaws, was stunning (and yes all you designers- i know it's not just visual, it's interaction, etc) but still didn't convince your head or your heart.
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