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> In an effort to eliminate any confusion about its reversal on SOPA though, Jones has removed blog postings that had outlined areas of the bill Go Daddy did support.

Somebody read 1984 and rooted for Big Brother.
So, who's next on the list of SOPA supporters to boycott? Let's do it again until we actually make a difference.

It needs to be someone visible to whom we can send a very clear message, quite quickly.
HN is solely responsible for this

I love HN. But that statement is myopic and over the top. I believe that Reddit started the discussion on a boycott. At the very least, much discussion took place there.
I know you were joking, but not a chance. The only effect this will have as far as I'm concerned is to move the transfer to the back burner for a bit (I'm on vacation at the moment, so I wasn't looking forward to dealing with the transfer hassle. Now I can enjoy a guilt-free holiday and do the transfer after I get back).

I was only on GoDaddy out of inertia/laziness anyway. At one time (quite a few years ago) they were...not good, exactly, but maybe the "least evil" of the available choices (a very similar situation to what you see with cell phone and cable TV providers). That hasn't been the case for quite some time, but I stuck with them just for the convenience of having all my stuff in one place. The constant upselling was annoying, but I rarely tinker with domain settings after the original config, so it was tolerable. This nonsense was the last nudge that was needed to push them over the cliff.
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Isn't that the blub paradox? What if there was an unknown-to-you language feature that you were implementing by hand, or worse, if you were avoiding an end-user feature entirely because it would be too much work and so you're not even considering it? How would you know if it could affect user experience or revenue if you don't know about it?

I've certainly used a language for a while, and then read the book on it, and said "oooh!", and then gone back and fixed all my old code. I could have saved a lot of time if I had known about that feature in the first place. (The extreme case are the posts on thedailywtf.com of people who don't know about loops, but there are much higher-level examples, too.)

That's not to say you can't run a perfectly usable and profitable startup knowing just a little bit of PHP (and as Larry says, more power to you!), but I don't know how one could claim that it has no effect.
Did you ever point out that you anticipated competitors' moves to your managers, and if so, how did they react?
I don't think you quite understand. Earth's atmosphere existed all along; its composition was just different before plants came into the picture. But even plants need certain atmospheric conditions, such as the existence of an atmosphere and certain elements in it. Now, it's true that the composition of Mars' atmosphere is all wrong even for plants (for example, very little nitrogen), but more fundamental than that, its atmosphere is literally barely there — the gas around the planet is exceptionally thin. Venus, Earth and Mars are like the three bears — Venus has way too much atmosphere to support life as we know it, Mars has way too little, while Earth's is just right.
Great, kid. Don't get cocky.
No matter what they say, GoDaddy hasn't reversed their position until they do so in front of Congress and publicly withdraw their letter of support from the judiciary committee hearings.
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> Imagine if the top-ten stories for the day on this board were about the conditions at Apple's factories in China.

I don't think it would have the same effect. Go Daddy is immensely reliant on the decisions of a handful of tech-savvy people. It's easy to move a domain, which hurts their bottom line. (for example, there was an effort made by some redditors to try to convince Wikipedia to move away from Go Daddy)

If everyone who visited HN stopped buying Apple products, it would be a blip (if that) on their revenue. While I wish it were that easy, I think Go Daddy is a special case.
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That is the simple rule of life. If you ever wonder why someone/company is doing what they do, follow the money.
They look so desperate right now on their Twitter feed, furiously tweeting everybody to let them know they're once again a "cool kid".

I wouldn't put it past them to support SOPA once enough people transfer back/keep their business with them.
The problem is, I don't want to help a "provider of rights management, licensing and royalty services for the music industry". And I don't feel right taking someone's money and providing no value in return.
haha fair enough. what I really meant was that we don't like to be rude to friends of acquaintances, who most of the time are the people you would ask to review your work. good catch
I think a lot of people here are missing the point. It's not about GoDaddy. It's about results. This is a very public about-face, and regardless of their actual intent shows that these types of campaigns can be successful.

May I suggest the next target? Comcast and the other cable providers. We should threaten to cancel our cable service unless they stop supporting SOPA. Obviously they will not do this, so we should actually cancel our cable subscriptions!
Only we're not discussing Mono vs JVM here.

We're discussing VM vs non-VM languages.

So if Mono (a VM language) can do fine in 3D games usage, it proves that nice 3D performance is not incompatible with a VM language --which is what the parent suggested, bringing up Java 3D performance as an example.
I am by no means a system programmer (I'd love to learn, no idea where to start), but seeing some sort of either breakdown or a list of implementation challenges to solve this problem would be awesome. I get that the man page describes what it needs to handle, but I don't clearly see every moving piece that this would have to deal with and account for.
This just shows what a couple thousand mobilized, highly motivated geeks can do in six hours. HN is solely responsible for this. Imagine if the top-ten stories for the day on this board were about the conditions at Apple's factories in China. Or the massacres going on in Syria, for that matter. Something more important than whether that elephant-murdering bastard is a 99%, or a 100% asshole.

this.
I kind of hate the kill ring, because I don't know how to suppress putting things into it. I would really like to be able to delete swatches of stuff I don't care about in such a manner that they aren't pushed onto a "paste" stack on top of other things I do care about.

I've also never really understood the benefit of not having "redo". What am I gaining in exchange for the annoyance of having to hit an arrow key before being allowed to "undo the undos" and duplicating a big chunk of my undo history?
Now can we focus on the United States Tennis Association next?
Crocodile tears

At this point, perhaps I'm biased and this is not the most productive response, by my personal opinion is still to "nuke 'em".

Far too little and way too late -- they were part of getting this monstrosity rolling, and their current action does little to stop it.

Put it in the entertainment industry's own lingo: The world needs an "example". And I think we'd have a hard time finding a better candidate (though there may be a some yet more deserving).
Huh, you're absolutely right. So people were able to make GoDaddy change their mind by impacting their bottom line.

Instead of going through businesses to try to tell the government what the citizens think, and besides writing or calling politicians, what can we do?
No, I pay my mortgage. (Or I would, if I were stupid enough to buy real estate in this part of the country.)

If my physical and mental health are trashed from overwork, I can't pay my mortgage, because I can't work for anybody.

Me and my family first. Company second or lower. Always. The company is replaceable, my life and health are not.
That's a good thing to know! Thanks.
Interesting question. For me it's like this.

If we're really customer facing business, we're a proactive business.

Last minute fires mean reactionary mindset. You can never be the best business possible when reactionary. Learning to anticipate things and have them ready in advance is doable in every business.

If we look at every last minute thing and apply this simple test to it, we'll know where we're at:

1) Is this something we've dealt with before?
2) Could it have been dealt with in advance?

If so, I'm not a fan of feeding the monster.

If not, guess what, you have a first time occurence that can use some immediate attention.

How to plan for surprises? I only schedule 5-6 hours of work a day. I leave 1-2 hours a day free. Either that time gets eaten up with true surprises, or I get ahead on my schedule. Responsible scheduling helps everyone.
You know what's sad? I knew that just from the job description. I'm not sure if that means I've spent far too much time on HN over the years, or if there is a real dearth of startups doing systems-level development.
And that’s fine! They’ve turned you off as a customer, based on issues that are important to you.

I’m simply pointing out that (perhaps) outcomes matter a bit more than our indignant feelings.
One of the ones they tweeted to was Jimmy Wales, who had just tweeted "I am proud to announce that the Wikipedia domain names will move away from GoDaddy. Their position on #sopa is unacceptable to us."

Wonder if they'll follow through now?
I don't think it takes guts. I think it takes your CFO making some financial projections and your PR lead screaming at you for screwing up.

This isn't a very "authentic" feeling turnaround. It feels like PR damage control, which is exactly what it is. Its pretty clear looking at their Twitter account that Godaddy doesn't really understand social media, and from this response they don't understand PR in 2011.

In regard to their Twitter responses: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3386961
It's possible that they were faced with a mass walkout of key employees.

I know I'd tender my resignation the next day if I worked for someone who issued a press release like Go Daddy's earlier one. As a rule, the few employees who are genuinely mission-critical to a large organization can always find work somewhere else.
With an effective enough response, we may be able to turn this into a proverbial "third rail" that no one is willing to touch.

Don't lose the momentum.
HN is nowhere solely responsible for this. If at all, the credit for pioneering this should go solely to Reddit.
Some of this is true, some of it not. Certainly for a family making sub-median wage (say a single income of $35k) a big health care expense (a few-day hospital stay costing $30k, say) is not something that can be borne out of savings or income, period. That's true whether or not it's the wage earner who is sick. So saying that bankruptcies are not from medical expenses or that subsidized health care would not prevent them is just flat wrong.

The point about medicaid is valid (most Europeans in flame wars like this don't know it exists), though eligibility is complicated and there are many people who need care who don't qualify. The $35k household above, for example, probably isn't poor enough.

And the final point is a ridiculous straw man (substituting "every possible treatment" for "treatments"). You should be ashamed of yourself. To be fair, the "people dying because they can't pay" was likewise a distortion though.
One could argue that if they fought to preserve the IP rights of third parties, they wouldn't be in the business of enabling the infringement of those rights by selling domain names and server space.
> I'll eat my words if this boycott results in any actual effect on GoDaddy's stance...

Anybody got any ketchup?
I have to admit this was the straw that got me to finally move off of godaddy. I was extremely sick of dealing with them but the pain of transfer was holding me back.

This was a good excuse to get the hell off of godaddy.
Sorry I misread your original post as "why should I be concerned about an abstract concept's wellbeing."

Yes of course you and your family come first. But you still have to care about the health of the place that gives you money.
Unfortunately, no. I haven't used the other two.
Gee, that BIND vulnerability was made public mid-November and they're integrating that into FreeBSD on Dec 23 ?!
Congratulations Reddit. Boycotts do work!
Start a blog about your experiences and then call yourself a self-employed travel blogger. Might even make a little AdSense cash off of it too.

There are all sorts of creative ways to get around HR.
This is great news. Now for the relevant question: How does it impact the passage of SOPA?

GoDaddy doesn't vote on legislation. I'm sending letters to my representatives right now pointing out the backlash and about face that GoDaddy has done.
How does CSDN dare to use plain text as password?
They are simply trying to avoid the impending financial disaster that awaits them. They are just doing PR. It has absolutely nothing with what they "really" think about SOPA. It's all cosmetic, whatever turnaround they have shown. How can you change your thoughts in a day ? It's all about dollars for them and nothing else

Here is a link which approves of the point above : http://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/nntxp/godaddys_res...
I wouldn't wait; the process takes some time and if you put it off until the last minute you will be forced to stay with godaddy. You are not able to transfer a domain if there is less than 7 days left until expiration. do it now and namecheap(or most registrars) will honor the remaining time on the contract and add the year that you buy onto it. really no reason to wait.
I'm scornful because their "recanting" still explicitly names dns filtering as A Good Useful Thing that they are proud of helping refine. They explicitly say they are proud of and would love to support this legislation. They don't get it.

"Go Daddy will support it when and if the Internet community supports it."
Obviously somewhat off-topic, but I'm irritated by this usage trend I see taking the internet by storm.

"Entitled" means "having a legal right to something", not "having a (spurious) sense of entitlement". Perhaps there's a one-word slur that means what you're trying to say, but "entitled" isn't it.
This has just proved that we need to redesign the society, we are living with an obsolete model pre-internet. Who need their interest represented by one individual when everyone can have his voice now!? It's really evident that SOPA is an example of antidemoCrazy.

I'm glad Go-Daddy changed his mind. Now, this was just one battle, the war is not over! Let's stop when SOPA is no more, let's stop when we can decide what's best for all of us!
If you're taking <12 months between jobs, COBRA takes care of health insurance. It can get expensive, but that's why you bank money while you're working...
Please do write that post, I for one would love to read it.
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I think this goes both ways.

He painted a typical story that management has to fight every day and you painted a typical story that bottom-er has to fight every day as well.

When you merged both stories, it sounds like a typical girl-girl room mate long-year fight: at some point, you don't know whose faults or who started the fight or the root cause of the problems.

It becomes she-says he-says. A dysfunctional relationship.

At its core, humans have certain level of selfishness and greediness. That is unavoidable.

Even after you pay good salary to young developers, if he/she has short attention span, you couldn't do anything about it. There are quite a few developers out there that are eager to jump the framework/language/storage bandwagon every second.

I don't have any problem if they want to try out new technologies at home, but don't bring smuginess to work and starting to get all gung-ho about new frameworks or shiny tools during meetings and threatened to leave. I want to get shit done as opposed to bet my ass on a new technology.

It is true, some of us do have short attention spans. And you're right, time has changed, and things are probably getting worse (depending whom you asked). I know there are a few of us who would love to use MongoDB or Hadoop or HBase or Node.JS to solve problems that don't exist just because they want to work in company "X" that just happened to publish a blog post about how awesome it is to work in their company (and we all know that some of these blogposts have a lot of marketing hype).
GoDaddy didn't just make a bad call-- they testified in support of SOPA and have been actively working on the design of the bill.
same reason there are still Cobol jobs. Users, for various reasons (ranging from dubious to valid), refuse to update to a more modern solution.
You can set delete-active-region to t; hitting DEL will then delete the region without adding it to the kill ring (i.e. delete it as opposed to kill it.) Alternatively, you can bind delete-region to a keystroke of your choice.

Regarding your second issue, I'm happy with the undo system as it is, but if you're not you could try and see if this works better for you: http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/UndoTree

Also, instead of cursor motion to "break" the undo operation, you can use C-g. I.e. C-g C-_ will redo (undo the last undo) rather than going back further in the undo history.
You can always root it and install something else. Not an option for many users, but since you're on HN likely an option for you.

There is also a certain other vendor that has, so far, had a good track record of issuing updates for at least 2 years from release... and sometimes longer.

But of course, according to some parts of the internet, if you buy anything from this vendor you're shallow, materialistic, vain, attention-seeking, and just plain dumb.

But what do I know, I just use this phone.
Well known for not supporting their devices but yet got on stage with Google at Google I/O and pledged a turnaround, and has completely failed to do as promised.

At this point I wouldn't trust Google, Samsung, HTC, Moto, or anyone else when it comes to "Android will be better tomorrow" promises. Un til it's running hardware in my hands I will not give one iota of trust to any of these companies to deliver what they promise.
I'm with you. I had been meaning to move my portfolio away from GoDaddy for a while. This was that last little push that was needed.

172 domains for roughly $1400 @ NameCheap. I had been experimenting with several registrars and they've 'felt' the best so far.
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Was "this" an ironic single syllable, or something more profound? Where are we going with "this"?
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> HN is solely responsible for this

Several communities worked together, such as the tech blogosphere, Reddit, and other social media. Although HN may be the birthplace of the idea to boycott Godaddy, its hardly just HN being responsible.
What will they gain by tweeting the _same exact thing_ over and over so many times?
There's no job security in having a job, these days.

I think that if you want job security, you're much better off at developing the skills to interview well and the resume to make people sit up and take note of you. You can take that from job to job with you, and know that if you ever get laid off or fired, you can just get another job.
if they really cared about the internet community, they wouldn't have been defending this stuff tooth and nail...mocking people saying that their transfers don't matter to them.
Totally, the "not my job" mindset only slows things down.

When one person starts being a joker and not taking things seriously and being thoughtful of the productivity of others or their team, it can spread like wildfire.
This doesn't mean it's okay to use them. Even if they're sincere in this turnaround (and I highly doubt they are), the fact that they lent support to this legislation at all shows that they are at best clueless, and at worst evil. In either case, they aren't going to be getting my business anymore.
One of the clearest benefits of Emacs's undo system is that you never lose history the way you do with an undo/redo system. I also personally find it more convenient.

However, as somebody else mentioned, you should also check out the undo-tree plugin. Some of my friends really like it.
And now they're doing an about-face:
http://www.godaddy.com/newscenter/release-view.aspx?news_ite...

Interesting take-aways from this: they were involved in creating the bill, have been involved with a strange trademark lawsuit where domains are continually being added to the case and transferred to GoDaddy[1], and they've removed their blog posts supporting the bill.

This is probably not what they wanted to see on their year-end numbers. And they just had that really expensive party that made the local news, too.

[1] http://blogs.findlaw.com/decided/2011/12/fed-judge-orders-go...
Same reason I don't type properly. I've clocked tens of thousands of hours of typing, but next to none of deliberate practice.
I call BS. Sorry Parsons the boycott is still on.
I totally agree with you. The real story here is that a large player in the internet (self proclaimed "World's #1 Domain registrar") crossed the line--to the "good side", therein lending more power to the cause of stopping this thing.
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Go for it! I just made my donation for £10 anyway: http://i.imgur.com/itEK4.png
The writing on that page is terrible. (ie. "let your team aware", "you can use anywhere you need" etc.)
Thanks for the tips!

>>Just, whatever you do, don't buy your domain names at the same place you get your hosting!!!

Why is this?
"Visit a farmers’ market in San Francisco and you'll see one in action."
”If you’ve liked that business’s page, the story about you liking the page (including your name or profile photo) may be paired with the ad your friends see.”

I completely agree with you that this is a brilliant game-changer. I don't like it, and won't be a part of it, but there is no question that I would have an emotional response to the picture of one of my friends "liking" a restaurant or a product.

And, I suspect it will be allowed as long as it is clearly spelled out in the TOS (for those who didn't read, there is some dissent and even legal action concerning using the photos of people without direct consent). I also doubt that people will quit FB because of it.

This reminds me a bit about the (small) uproar when brands like Nike were just starting to sell T-shirts with their names on them. Many of us said, "Why would I pay money to advertise for them? They should pay me to wear it!)

Nevertheless, most people were perfectly willing to spend the money and advertise the logo.

Here it is at least clear that the consumer is getting something for his/her willingness to advertise: s/he is getting the use of FB.
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Worth mentioning that they're already sold out of cars next year and are expecting to turn a profit by 2013:

http://www.mercurynews.com/cars/ci_19219782

That's impressive for a company that requires that kind of capital investment (R&D, manufacturing facilities, tons of engineers, etc..)
The fact that GoDaddy recanted is significant because any other internet companies will think twice before supporting SOPA, atleast publicly but that matters a lot. Maybe if US citizens could get more aware of the situation, they can make a dent in Media moguls' purses as well.

PR matters a lot to companies, if general population shows this kind of activism, SOPA can be defeated. Good luck US, the rest of the world is waiting for you to nip this censorship in the bud before it spreads like the virus in Resident Evil movies.