skysight-inc/HackerNews huggingface dataset:
If you are already good, productive professionals, than what is the point of counting lines of code at all?

If you are trying to use lines of code to measure productivity, the only reason is because you think some members of the team are not being productive. Sure, the good and productive team members won’t try to game the metrics… but the bad programmers, who you are trying to find, sure will.

The good programmers won’t game the system, but that doesn’t matter because they are going to be fine no matter how they are evaluated. So what is the point of measuring lines of code? You aren’t gaining any new information.
> Could some enterprising attorney get a bunch of members of the purported class to sign on to a brief opposing class certification?

Yes, I'd sign onto this (and I have open source code on GitHub that presumably (hopefully!) is being included).
My comment is more about where it is headed. If you have been following Twitter you can read accounts of engineers pulling all-nighters, working over the weekend and “launching” the verification feature. Then, read accounts of users trying to use it but said feature not working. A few iterations of this for different features/products, and it will quickly impact his ability to ship anything (likely due to no automated testing in place, poor design decisions, etc.).

Here is an example from a customer:

https://twitter.com/gergelyorosz/status/1588981510916276224?...
>It seems in your view, India are the only ones who understand complexity

In a sense, Yes; because of its unique History and Geography.

There is no other place on Earth with the same degree of diversity in various aspects like Religion, Philosophies, Social structure, Cultural diversity, Languages, Food, Ethnic groups, Economic strata, Education etc. which exists as a single Nation, thriving and moving forward.

The rest of the World and in particular; "The West" can learn a lot from India on how to live together in spite of differences.
I used to be a digital nomad, but I never called myself that. Only other people would when I told them I worked remotely. I would respond that I preferred the term “Asshole with a Laptop”.
That's precisely the problem with it. AI, as it is, can be considered a lossy compression technique with multiple document recovery, convolution and interpolation ability.
The title is not the article of the actual title and is pretty misleading

>The encouragement is aimed not at pushing Ukraine to the negotiating table, but ensuring it maintains a moral high ground in the eyes of its international backers

...

> While U.S. officials share their Ukrainian counterparts’ assessment that Putin, for now, isn’t serious about negotiations, they acknowledge that President Volodymyr Zelensky’s ban on talks with him has generated concern in parts of Europe, Africa and Latin America, where the war’s disruptive effects on the availability and cost of food and fuel are felt most sharply.

Biden simply wants to bring attention that Ukraine has been willing to negotiate in good faith effort to get Russia to get out ASAP while Russia has been unwilling to admit its losing the war and has seemed to stick to it's initial goals of conquering Ukraine even as the goal gets more and more ridiculous.

If Russia wants any scraps of face-saving gestures or to get its foreign reserves back it had better start negotiating soon.
It's definitely not a perfect comparison and technical debt is a very compelling factor. It's a point of comparison, though, with some things more difficult for Twitter but also several things Discord has to deal with that Twitter doesn't.

I don't know how many people it would actually take to run Twitter, but I suspect the number is far lower than most would expect. In particular, the product team has always seemed enormous to me compared to those at other social media companies when comparing customer numbers and velocity of new features.
Atmosphere is mostly CO2, with relatively small amounts of other stuff. O2 and N2 are lighter, so a balloon filled with them could hold stuff up.
The vast majority of people don’t dislike all those things you say in the second paragraph. What people do dislike is using “free speech” as a stick to selectively encourage the use of racist/sexist language on a platform with a lot of impressionable people. All free speech is arbitrary and his malicious motives are transparent and disgusting in this one case.
The weirdest part has been seeing which companies are pulling their ads, as if the people making those decisions have political ties that outweigh simply running their companies for the sake of their products. Lock-step with misleading claims about Twitter content policy, it’s very surreal.
If a few days is enough time for a new leader to decide half of the workforce is redundant, then it's enough time for others to decide the leader is an idiot. You can't have it both ways.
Thanks for the clarification. I guess my concerns are more of a philosophical nature and what direction we want this new social network concept to head towards.
Oh you think things are great at a company that just did a 50% layoff haphazardly?
You're making two assumptions:

1. The people saying Elon doesn't have a heavy hand in his companies and the people saying he is running Twitter with a heavy hand are largely the same people.

2. It's impossible that Elon indeed both does have a heavy hand in Twitter and does not have a heavy hand in most/all of his other companies.

These assumptions are the same flavor of cognitive bias to the one you're accusing others of: That born of a desire to paint a group of perceived opponents in a poor light.
> Is Facebook lying about providing mass amounts of data to a hostile government?

that's a supposition, disinformation perhaps

everyone can put javascript trackers on their website, even criminals

if data is this important why do we let companies harvest it and sell it without our consent?

what the chinese government has anything to do with tiktok? a private company that plan to go public with an IPO

hostile government? i think it's the opposite, the US government is hostile to china

why do they let them manufacture all of their goods if they are "that hostile"?

something doesn't compute well
Why all the fighting? We're all in this together!
I really wish people would stop trying to "fix" Go error handling.

Go error handling is fine. If you want a terse language, use something else. Go error semantics have been this way for over a decade, they aren't going to (and shouldn't) change. The whole point of the current syntax is so that YOU DON'T IGNORE ERRORS. People keeps saying, "BUT MY LOC", just simply don't get it. You're supposed to do something with the error, either return it up the stack, or decorate it, or log it. Go didn't choose the exception route, stop trying to bolt exceptions on, and just adapt or stop using Go.
Exactly my thoughts too. This reads as yet another scam product targeting ADHD folks, just like Inflow and similar.

I would very much like such 'entrepreneurs' to stop trying to profit from my disability. If they had something actually useful to sell, they'd engage with health service providers. Instead they try to fool the individual with promises of success and happiness.

It's disgusting and predatory, and sours me even more towards the VC types that think this is a worthwhile type of business to invest in.
> Remote work is a convenient scapegoat

It's the best thing bosses have going for them in terms of scapegoats.

Although you can't blame them for being uncomfortable with this level of change. Remote work mainstreaming, without the COVID excuse anymore, is a whole new experiment being tried for the first time widely in society.
4% are known. Who knows how many go without notice?
Maybe the narrative changes because it's actually different people you hear these narratives from? At least that sounds like the most likely explanation to me. Of course there will be die-hard Musk enemies, who will use either conflicting explanation as long as it paints him in a bad light, but the rest of the criticism might come from entirely different groups of people, some of which believe he's actively running his companies, some that things just happen without his doing and he lucked out (or in Twitter's case, potentially had some bad luck, but I think it's to early to decide that in any case).
> with almost no media attention.

Wow, that's not my experience of reading the tech media.
That is the same analogy as Wordpress being scalable because it runs a third of the web or Ruby Rails because it is being used in Shopify.

I am not a Discord expert, but AFAIK, all three are similar in that they run their own instances. A Wordpress with App and DB per site, and I assume mostly similar to a Shopify Store, and every Discord Server where each and every instances of them aren't interconnected.

Twitter is one giant space with the Top 50 account each having a reach of over 40M users.

And for another point of comparison. Twitter has ~250M Global DAU over dozen of time zones. Weibo in China has similar DAU in a single time zone.
Re replacement, I agree with OP

> I am increasingly of the belief that this is the wrong question, that no single thing is going to replace Twitter.
1. They are largely the same people. The mere fact that it is theoretically possible that it is two separate groups doesn't mean we should ignore the obvious fact that it is not.

2. It's possible of course, but almost nobody making either point (usually both) does so with the kind of nuance necessary to make this argument.
Ordinary plastic is fine. You can buy concentrated H2SO4 at an auto supply store in a plastic bottle.

Edit: maybe not fine. Resistance to H2SO4 corrosion falls off sharply as its concentration approaches 100%. On Venus, the clouds would be very nearly 100%.
1. "People" are neither a monolith nor convenient straw men to be blown down

2. The arguments that he "doesn't run his companies" is referencing the successes, and that he "runs a company into the ground" references failures. These two ways of looking at him are not only not mutually exclusive, they go very well together: "whenever he intervenes he makes it worse, any company that is successful is so because he gets out of the way", or something along those lines.

Whether or not those arguments hold up I neither know nor care about, because this drama is as significant to my life as Amber Heard vs Johnny Depp was. Which is to say: only insofar as it seems to be so goddamn unavoidable when I want to spend my limited time on this earth doing other things.
Staying 3 months vs 2 weeks seems like a very small difference. The other points apply to tourists as well.

One could argue 6 tourists each staying 2 weeks concecutively will spend more than a nomad, since they dont spend time working. So in this case the nomad would be worse, since he still takes similar real estate to host, but provides less to the economy.

Either way I think it's more useful to consider them together with tourists. Many backpackers are probably indistinguishable from nomads.
Definitely not clear that profiting off selling the seeds/propagated plants is required.

Read up on Paul Schmeiser and his legal battles with the GMO-king: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Percy_Schmeiser
the problem is some day the information will leak and the ones who know start gaming the metric.
When you have 8K employees that do nothing for years, you build up enough tech credit to spend it on a lot product features before having to worry about tech debt.
Your whole post can describe tourism too
VC-funded companies don’t hire the number of employees they need, they hire the amount they can afford. For hyper growth companies, whatever brilliant spark created their trajectory will eventually be usurped by empire builders who worm their way into anything with the smell of success. The headcount needed is then always inflated due to middle management ambitions, and systems are set up to utilize (and implicitly justify) the available resources.
Up to 50% bonus based on this “performance metric” … what about now?

Bottom 10% get fired each year. What about now?
Greetings from Pennsylvania:

Currently studying for a chemistry and US history test on Monday. Also have an essay and Spanish test on Tuesday so it's going to be tough this weekend.

Wishing the internet a great day!
I disagree, I think that handling the failure cases properly is much more complex and requires more consideration than the success cases.

Sure, in many cases you’re going to bubble up the error (perhaps a syntactic sugar for this scenario would help), but there are lots of production error handling considerations like transaction rollbacks, response statuses, logging, metrics, opentelemetry traces, retry logic, that you will need to handle in practice, and you will want to handle these differently in different failure modes.

Ensuring software acts in an expected way in the transient 0.001% scenarios is very important. With Go I never run into unhandled exceptions causing software to blow up like I do with large Python codebases.

At first I didn’t like the “if err != nil” bloat of Go code, but now I appreciate its explicitness, it is distinctly unmagical, simple, boring, and works well in production.
That's about right.

1bn/18.3bn = 5.4%

"Risk free" treasury bond yields are ~4.x%

1% premium for the risk seems reasonable given that Twitter is not known for making profits. Presumably some of the debt were incurred before the rate hikes so it's kind of on the low side.
> There's an inherent asymmetry

No there's not. People seem to just want to ignore all errors, and let the language "figure it out", AKA exceptions. If you want to ignore errors, then just go all the way and do that:

result, _ := db.GetUser("12345")

then, you never have to worry about errors, you can just code in bliss and wait for the "panic" because you didn't want to bother with proper error handling.
You can pick a lock, steal things a lot of people wouldn’t notice for a very long time and leave like nothing happened. There would be no call to the police, no threat of window alarms etc. easiest way to get away Scott free.
We can't expect a massive improvement on computer performance anymore. So it will never come the day household computer can finish training the model equivalent of Github Copilot in practical time.
>Twitter has seen more movement on improving the core product

What improvements?
I see lits of fired people and gruesome deadlines for the rest to implement a subscription feature.

All of that while Musk is mocking users and whines about shrinking ad money and threatens to publicly shame his customers.
Pretty easy compared to Starlink
I don't see this option - maybe because I'm still on $2.99 with not blue checkmark and no option to upgrade.
They do now and they will. I bet there are bash scripts sitting on Macbooks to do all kinds of shenanigans with git going forward.
> That's a really long way of saying "yes it is cryptocurrency related"

No, it's not, though.
In the future it might be cryptocurrency-related. But currently it is not.

I'm sorry that you don't stick around to read 99% of the site that doesn't mention cryptocurrency, but see something that sort of seems like cryptocurrency and leave. That sounds like the attitude of many on HN to other nitpicks (e.g. comic sans, maybe, used somewhere... and then the person announces they stopped looking at that point)
I spent some time looking at extruded aluminum profiles a few months ago and the cheapest place I found was tnutz.com- I never ended up buying anything though, but their stuff looked good as far as I could tell.
I saw a post today that Coca Cola pulled their ads but I saw one an hour ago (and took a screenshot as proof). So who knows what the fuck is actually happening
I agree about the unhealthy relationship, but I think you're understating the media lens on Meta: there's been a running column on their (slow) implosion in the NYT for at least a year now. The recent "legs" affair was the tech news story for a day or two.

Twitter gets disproportionate attention because of the relationship you mentioned, but also because what's happening to it is pretty unprecedented. It stands to reason that it'll be the main topic in tech journalism for the next few weeks, particularly as Musk continues his attention seeking behavior (and journalists continue to feed on it).
What I understand from extensive study of the period's history is that they became a war-time administration, and stayed as one. Its no surprise considering the constant push for world war 3 from the US side and economic warfare. In the period, the US almost caused a nuclear war with its hostility, most of which during the time of Reagan, who mounted an all-encompassing military 'exercise' that was identical to a nuclear first strike. And all that, without the constant economic warfare.
> Rumour has it that the US Military had some involvement in the Iraq war.

Yes but their point is that the US army didn't kill most of those civilians. Now you can make moral arguments that we deserve some to most of the blame for destabilizing the country but its still pretty different from killing the civilians
Am I the only one who thinks the Twitter UI is awful? To be fair, all I’ve ever seen is the desktop/browser UI, don’t know what the mobile app looks like. For that matter, I think both Facebook and LinkedIn’s UI’s are pretty bad.

I’ve been communicating online since USENET days. I find it interesting to see just how many times the same thing has been reinvented and how bad it can be.
Hello from Seattle!

I’m here for the fall working on flight software for literal internet satellites and having the time of my life. Hope you’re enjoying life as much as I am!
I'm in top 1% of earners in my western country. Also never had used prostitute and had plenty of girlfriends. After corona wanted to travel around and see the world.

Some of us just want to travel around before we're too old and have family responsibilities.

Regarding taxes, I won't pay taxes in these ultra-corrupt governments where elites steal 80%+ of tax money. These countries should just add "nomad visa" type of thing where you pay lump sums every 6 months directly to the big man and skip the charade.
There is often a single point of failure, but never a single point of success.

If SpaceX succeeds it's because everybody came together and pulled their weight in the right direction, Elon included. It takes a lot of people for a company to succeed.

Twitter could initiate a death spiral at the hands of one person, who culls the workforce too aggressively and scares off all the advertisers.
C++ exceptions and Rust Anyhow errors lack stack traces by default, whereas Java exceptions capture them by default, aiding debugging. I'm not sure if Rust spans satisfy the same requirements as stack traces; they seem more built around logging and asynchronous execution, than error handling and synchronous code.
Wouldn’t be surprised if houseplants often introduce problems - mold, that could at times be worse than no plant at all.

The benefit of outside air is that it is averaged and that open spaces reach more stable equilibriums than artificial spaces.
The stand-out innocence (or naivety) of the title is what made me click on this post. :-)
I disagree with such propositions. 'The elite's 'eliteness' in the USSR amounted to eating caviar, getting access to newest cars earlier, getting access to more desirable holiday locations. Otherwise all the citizens got access to everything - housing, free healthcare, education, higher education, childcare, paid maternity leave, paid vacations and all that.
These things are far from predictable.

Now you could say we should have known that possibility existed and should still get a good amount of blame from not preventing it but no one is a fortuneteller
Comments are barely collaboration.

Qbix supports: events, videoconferencing, livestreaming, calling into the show, group reservations, paying for them, earning credits, sharing content, collaborating on various files, scheduling team meetings, dating, making appointments, teaching students, and more.

That's what Web 2.0 is

Four years ago I started a Web 3.0 company called intercoin.org -- with the same approach. It also has a free open-source set of applications

https://intercoin.org/applications

But that one is "cryptocurrency-related" so I'm sure people on HN will automatically think it's a scam lol. Even though you can just take the code and do whatever you want with it.
Usually it's not woke so much as blandly inoffensive. Think Disney.
there should absolutely be some less biased forks that get funding too, but, yes, agreed.

there's been a long series of mimd of insensitive counter-community decisions gargaron has forced upon
Mastadon, such as greatly concealing the local timeline. Instead of being a local community with outward ties, this has made mastadon & being a member of a particular server a far less local, community-based, explorable phenomenon.
This is actually something to worry about.

Most Mastodon instance are hosted by individuals. Granted, I would assume most people are hosting the service with good faith, but there is no binding way to ensure that. With Twitter, doing something feral will (at least was possible to bring) doom to the company and it's investment, which is far bigger balancing factor than just someone's honesty.

I'm not promoting Twitter here, but for Mastodon, something needs to be done to protect the integrity of the content posted, so the admin cannot modify it easily (moderation can still be done through deletion).
I’m passionate about Bitcoin, Ethereum, Catholicism, the destruction of the state, the lowering of taxes, the betterment of society on individualistic terms, the rise of private schools and the death of public indoctrination. The future is truth and the ruination of government lies. And every day I see more evidence that the socialist order is decaying.
It is incredibly fast.

Also, it runs on very small devices: https://nolanlawson.com/2019/09/22/the-joy-and-challenge-of-...
The issue is not the layoffs, the issue is how they are managed. No other company is taking as much heat as twitter for layoffs because no one is managing it as badly. Elon Musk is heading the same path as Mark Zuckerberg - his brand has ended.
Disagreeing with someone's approach or saying you think it will have a terrible outcome is fine. What's weird is seeing major media publications looking at the first few days of a transition period and pronouncing that this is the way Twitter will now be. For instance, this is was the top Washington Post story a day ago[1]: "Advertisers fleeing, workers in fear: Welcome to Elon Musk’s Twitter" with the byline "The company was hailed for its welcoming and relaxed work environment. Elon Musk made that a relic of the past."

I mean, a month ago Musk wasn't even go to buy Twitter. You'd think we'd want to wait at least a few weeks (if not much longer) before deciding that what Musk is attempting to do during the first few days is definitely going to be the way Twitter will be handled going forward.

[1] https://web.archive.org/web/20221104220914/https://www.washi...
What meltdown?
They always ask presidential candidates what their favorite foods are[1]. It's a longstanding thing in US politics.

[1]: https://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-favorite-foods-...
What does he have to do for you to decide he's unfit? Does he have to burn down the headquarters trying to light his crack pipe before you agree the sky is falling?