> Mass shootings, suicides and rapes have happened because of the content of KF and ED.

Mass shootings and rapes? Ever since the cloudflare campaign when I began to pay attention to kiwifarms the set of things they have been clearly guilty of has been growing and the amount of minimally credible evidence to back said claims have taken an inverse path. Maybe ED? must admit I don't know much about ED.

> If you provide shelter for the racist, misogynist, homophobic, Nazi and automated weapons fanatic, then you deserve to be censored.

The website had 2 entire subforums[0] dedicated to both a very right wing figure and the whole america fist movement, as well as threads running in the hundreds/thousands mocking trump supporters, Qanon lunatics, jan 6th rioters and the list goes on. I'm not going to question the sheltering, but to assume that they were not mocked as anyone else is not really true. You did not claim that by the way, but I felt that this was worth mentioning. /pol/ has an order of magnitude worse content and I'm yet to see people wanting to seriously take them down.

The same thing with misogynist, i'm not sure. Women seemed to be a huge part of the website's base and there was an incel thread that also ran to the thousands, and incel forums apparently hate kiwifarms becauses of it. I'm sorry for not providing sources but its pretty hard when the website is down, there is a subforum for communities I think and its there where most of incel threads are as well as the jan 6th, qanon, etc. I'll try to get them sourced later if the website goes back up and I find some time.

> Let's not forget that the explicit purpose of KF is to run harassment and doxxing campaigns.

This is blatantly false. We can argue that there is some behind the scenes secret agenda/group to do that and all but calling it explicit is a lie. It's(was?) a public forum with public rules and open to anyone without an account to read. Since the first cloudflare post here in HN when the website was blocked i've been personally trying to get some archives of this clear as day harassment being fostered on the public website without backlash/banning and I've come up with almost nothing, especially for a website running for almost a decade now.

They do dox people/host doxes, as in it is not against the rules and the biggest threads do seem to manage to get them, but then you look at for example byuu's thread and he was never doxed by kiwifarms. Again that is not its explicit purpose, they're not doxbin.

> But there's really no gray area for KF and ED.

And yet no actual legal investigation has concluded that they're guilty of any harassment(and several were attempted), the owner has made clear that he'll comply with US authority investigations and has actually done it in the case of an user SIGSEGV, there is a subforum for this kind of legal stuff and I believe that is there, or its forum discussion, the thread should be name FBI compliance or something when they go over it. There wasn't even something like a big incident somewhat linked to the website like christchurch with 8chan and jan 6th with gab(?).

This is as website that the detractors are effectively creating claims out of thin air and getting them parroted thru media with the sources being pretty much trust me, in a time where archiving something in a forum that doesn't even need an account is a couple clicks, while having the same journalists knowingly printing lies about it (all the outlets blaming kiwifarms for things that doxbin did at the request of a streamer). If this is what passes for no having a gray area we're doomed.

When I was younger I was part of a local community that was hit with accusations from another one that absolutely hated us for airing out problems with them, and we got cut off from a lot and eventually killed off because of frivolous accusations from them to the "authority". This was a community linked to a service, and in the grand scheme of things was very small and inconsequential, but I have seen the road where believing things being repeated non-stop leads when it comes to this stuff and I'm extremely scared of it reaching the levels that it reached with kiwifarms. And before anyone asks it had nothing to do with any of the current political zeitgeist, it had to do with cheating, not that it's relevant either way but things get heated in those discussions.

[0]: https://archive.ph/7WeyE
[1]: sorry for the other sources, will try to get more once the website is back up or I get more time