skysight-inc/HackerNews huggingface dataset:
It's surprising they're not free or mandated as part of health care in the US given our falling birth rates and xenophobic fear of immigration.
Using Docker is relatively simple and requires little to no configuration, arguably less than a standard node project.

Regardless, as someone who uses a variety of languages and is in the exact same situation, my generic Makefile is probably easier to read and understand than any standard that you have probably achieved.
I went in assuming that this was going to be a hit piece. It's not quite that bad, but there's elements like that. I have no idea who this "former Tesla engineer" is or what their biases and motivations are, or how the article authors found them.

It seems perfectly reasonable for Elon to bring in some people he knows he can trust to help evaluate how Twitter actually works. I presume he's competent enough to do any necessary i-dotting and t-crossing to make it legal. I don't see anything wrong with printing out code either - IMO sometimes it's a handy way to be able to explore lots of code with complex interactions, since you can have a bunch of pages at once and arrange them however you like.

It's pretty clear to me that there are elements of the elite media-political complex that are terrified of Elon purchasing Twitter because he's not part of their crowd and they won't be able to control him and through him what is and isn't allowed on Twitter. IMO all articles about this should be read with that in mind.
If nothing else house trolling on social media helps to hype up a dedicated fanbase which drives up the multiple on the stock value and allows to hire people to work on moonshot projects. Several of those projects of his would have never gotten funded in more conventional companies and even if they had, the funding would likely have gotten cut when no immediate, monetary success was visible. All this is only possible because of Musk's confidence/arrogance and his ability to take others with him.
The counter argument is that Tesla has created more shareholder value over the past few years than any other single company, and in fact more than a ton of whole market segments. I mean, investors know he's sort of a loon, this is hardly the weirdest thing he done[1], and they're still on board.

And FWIW: if you really want to structure this in a shareholder-friendly way, Twitter can just pay Tesla a consulting fee. Given that they're a private company now, that's almost literally as simple as just writing a check.

[1] I mean, seriously, if "I'll buy TWTR for $40B!" didn't spook the market, you think they're really going to freak out about a few hundred hours of engineering time?
Twitter engineers already aren’t trying, unless you’re counting under flow or something HN meta to increase output while reducing effort.
Ah, the submitted URL is different. I missed that because they both redirect to the URL I submitted (for me at least).

> something with no comments or votes isn't really a dupe.

I thought the dupe detector was designed to catch this exact situation? I get redirected to existing submissions all the time with no upvotes or comments when I submit dupe URLs myself?
Not necessarily, but should-ing on behalf of other people is not often particularly useful unless you're already powerful. In the art of persuasion, it can also weaken your case considerably, in the same ways "I'm an atheist, but it seems like these Christians should really think..." style arguments don't tend to do anything to advance either atheism or "truer-to-Christ's teachings" behavior.
Hey now, it would be perfectly cromulent for Unilever and Exxon chemists see real value in a collaboration around, say, a higher-efficiency fracking solution.
Hard agree. I will even take it one step further:

State the Business Problem Before Describing the Solution.

If you can’t explain how the solution will improve the business and how it ranks compared with solving other business problems then you are doing it wrong.
> For an unfathomable amount of the people working at twitter the answer will be zero lines of code.

And what’s the average salary of these people? $15k/mo? $20k/mo?
From various sources, this idea eventually sunk in: Happiness is the absence of striving for happiness.
You don't have to evaluate other peoples code or something?
> I believe this is a result of a sustained campaign of disinformation

Don't waste your energy. The ignorance of the 75th percentile journalist is stunningly broad and deep; it's no wonder that ordinary people haven't a clue.
What telemetry do cars send Tesla? The EDR system which stores all telemetry data is not suppose to leave the car.

https://edr.tesla.com/
> Not to mention “something went wrong” again and again, maybe by the 4th reload would a linked tweet actually show up for me.

That seems like a purpose-built feature to punish non-Twitter users to induce them to sign up for Twitter and/or use the Twitter app instead of the web UI. It's not a bug but a misfeature.
You don't need to be a "coding master of every domain" to recognize shit code.
> And we cannot farm successfully on scale we need without them.

The following study states that organic farming on average is 25% less productive than conventional farming. The major difference being the use of plant protection products (herbicides, pesticides, etc.).

https://www.europarl.europa.eu/RegData/etudes/IDAN/2019/6344...

That additional land use could be satisfied if the consumption of meat would be drastically reduced. Currently 33% of cropland are used for feed production. (https://www.fao.org/3/ar591e/ar591e.pdf)

So yes, we could farm successfully without them. But not at the current prices for produce and not with the current meat consumption.
Off course you can have an opinion about any code. It will just not always be correct.
What's a reason to chose the Adguard plugin over Adblock? I've the latter configured atm.
Mike Griffin was the real chief engineer at SpaceX...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_D._Griffin#Career
> Is Twitter paying Tesla to contract out these employees for their work?

Eh, there are marketing synergies between Twitter and Tesla.
and humans

source: am parent of more than one child, each of whom had distinct personalities from birth
It’s interesting to see technical people melt down and froth at the mouth like political hobbyists when some new piece of meat/news lands in their feed trough.
Eessh, I hope not.
Yes? Many, many people who don’t work for musk or have a financial interest in him being competent have said in interviews that he has a deep engineering understanding of the rockets and especially their engines.
It feels really fast and responsive. Have you done any benchmarks to compare against other Pythons-in-the-browser?

Or 'normal' Python for that matter.
Heh, I’m still fairly confident that our 100 man software project would proceed much faster if the team was cut down to the best 6 people.
Making a bunch of money does not give you ethical credits you can spend later. He can probably get away with it though.
I don't agree with the premise of the comment you replied to but why couldn't we take over the oil fields? Are you referring to them sabotaging wells in anticipation of a potential takeover?

Obviously stealing a country's resources is frowned upon, just wondering if you meant anything specific
It’s not the charging that made me leave.

It was the security breach where all of my environment variables were stolen. And the amount of time it took and their level of transparency through it all.
Did they bring the experts in autonomous vehicles?
> When I help pack boxes of food for hungry people at church I don't expect much of a paycheck either, but its just something I do with some of my spare time

But you might get jaded if VPs of fortune 500 companies were turning up for the free food.
If "spending too much time on twitter" is a negative metric that the author uses I thought it would be interesting to quantify that.
It's mostly Linux, written in C, a bit of math for GNC, quaternions etc.. nothing too crazy if you have a math + good C background.

They put the flight software through a lot of hardware in the loop tests, simulating launch. That's probably the main novel thing.
In that case, for the record a major part of my retirement fund is taken up by the Fidelity 500 Index Fund, and 2.34% of that portfolio's position is TSLA stock. So yes, you could say I'm a stockholder.

EDIT:

> should-ing on behalf of other people is not often particularly useful unless you're already powerful.

Solidarity labor strikes, where one union strikes to show support for an unrelated striking union, would be a counter-example to this. As individuals, the striking workers are not powerful, but collectively they can have an effect.
Adguard works at the computer level, so all browsers are protected.
Nah, I'm still passed off about nspawn. Broke chroots for me in some embedded linux contexts, well the fact that you have to use nspawn in order to launch systemd services.
In the US a 501(c)(3) organization is considered "non-profit" and gifts to them are tax-deductible. I worked at one once and we had a paper we used at stores to pay no sales tax.
They are certainly different domains, but can you justify the claim "Self driving has a well defined, static problem space"?

One of the things that makes safety critical applications like self driving so hard is they have such an abundance of low probability, high severity cases that it is very difficult to define/test them all.
Humour was one of the skills tested by the original Dunning-Kruger paper. The paper suggested that the underskilled overestimated their ability to judge if people would find something funny, and the highly skilled underestimated their skill. See section 4.1 of https://www.researchgate.net/publication/12688660_Unskilled_...

Participants were 65 Cornell University undergraduates from a variety of courses in psychology who earned extra credit for their participation. We created a 30-item questionnaire made up of jokes we felt were of varying comedic value. Jokes were taken from Woody Allen (1975), Al Frankin (1992), and a book of “really silly” pet jokes by Jeff Rovin (1996). To assess joke quality, we contacted several professional comedians via electronic mail and asked them to rate each joke on a scale ranging from 1 (not at all funny) to 11 (very funny). [. . .] Although the ratings provided by the eight comedians were moderately reliable (a = .72), an analysis of interrater correlations found that one (and only one) comedian's ratings failed to correlate positively with the others (mean r = -.09).
> If it’s code I’m unfamiliar with it takes longer, and the result is more variable, but it’s far from impossible.

Yeah, I'm sure it's of value to have Tesla engineers come in and spend the 3 months to a year getting enough context with the code base to be be able to produce useful and informed critiques.
If it's growing at tenfold per year, that's only six years' growth.

I don't know what the actual growth rate is, but I don't think there's cause for concern, except to coal miners.

Edit: there aren't any material limitations. The current hotness is proton-exchange membrane technology; the coming thing is solid oxide electrolysis (promises lower cost); the century-old technology (that has been ignored for most of that time, so hasn't been properly cost-optimised) is alkaline electrolysis using caustic potash or caustic soda.

Alkaline is slightly higher cost, but as I said no significant effort has been put into it for a while.

There is no way we can ever run out of sodium.
SpaceX is successfully solving engineering problems. If Elon is surrounded by yes men, that means he's always right. That he probably isn't always right implies he doesn't surround himself solely with sycophants.
I totally agree, Twitter’s old management pulled off one of the greatest moves in the history of corporate America.

They dumped a falling asset, at peak price and got Musk to sign terms that completely fucked him.

Honestly, it was completely brilliant and the only thing anyone learned is that Musk isn’t the business genius he claims to be.

He’s going to destroy that platform with utter stupidity and I’m looking forward to watching.
Their strategy was to piss really rich people off enough that they’d just buy the company outright?

I dunno, that seems like a pie in the sky.
Did they pay $100M for a video game? What's the point of this product?
What do you use to "proxy" Google? A proxy? How to avoid their key-loggers? Basically how to use Google Search and Chrome in anonymous?
This was my impression as well (although I just sat on the passenger seat for 150km).

The cockpit is all nice and shiny, but not having any haptic feedback for any kind of regular controls you'd use (switching media, A/C control, etc) is a very questionable choice and a worrying trend among automakers in General. The center screen in the Model 3 to get something as basic as your current traveling speed seems equally questionable from a safety perspective.

I've also seen my fair share of Tesla summon close calls on the neighboring parking lot.

When it comes to the app, Tesla owners seem to have a broad spectrum of opinions. Personally for a car as expensive as a Tesla, the quality of the app would be the last thing I'd care about as I would consider it absolutely unnecessary.

The main thing where I totally agree Tesla is absolutely ahead are OTA updates for car firmware. However, looking at it from a security standpoint, bad security practices could really backfire and from a privacy point of view I'm not a fan of permanently internet connected vehicles either.
It’s been solid for me so far.
>If that line itself isn't enough to tell you he's full of shit you have hopelessly fallen for the myth of his Tony Stark-like brilliance. Do you honestly think he contributes any meaningful engineering work at SpaceX? If he didn't own SpaceX, what about his history suggests he could even be an engineering intern there?

Every day there are a lot of software developers on this very website (in this very thread) and elsewhere, with no professional engineering background, nor uphold similar standards and professionalism, who refer to themself as engineer.
In fairness there’s plenty of Tesla engineers that used to work across the bay at Twitter.
Or, you know, just buying them...
That's a great solution, actually. I'm not familiar with go, but I thought it compiled to native code and did not require a virtual machine at runtime. So is this metadata enforced/inserted by the compiler into the binary, or does it require specific build tooling that may or may not be available on end-user systems?
A lot of senior execs, CxOs and founders have built multi-million dollar careers around their ability to speak at length with complete confidence about topics of which they are clueless. This works because the people who actually know what they are talking about tend to be powerless worker-bees and the people who are fooled by confidence projection tend to be investors and powerful career kingmakers.

The people rolling their eyes when they hear bullshit are not the people writing the checks.
Given 24-48 hours in a gigantic tech company’s code base made up of dozens of teams and hundreds (thousands?) of logical services? No, I couldn’t tell you the “quality” of the code.

Someone who doesn’t understand engineering at that scale would presume it’s the structure of the if statements. And sure, if that’s what you’re looking for, print out some lines and let a person lacking all context take a look.
Obviously not the same as being there, but there is this film https://gwarlingo.com/2012/antonio-gaudi-and-hiroshi-teshiga... which is actually on https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfTwzCi-KHM
What a ridiculous take. Twitter was run so competently that it has managed to grow to a company with hundreds of millions of daily active users and can’t figure out how to make a profit.
rustup is still executable code you are downloading from the Rust Project. It then downloads Cargo and rustc, which are both executable code, downloaded via the Rust project.

The only difference here is that you’re running a few commands by hand instead of running them in a single invocation of a shell script.
There's dozens of markets where you can bet everything you own on that already. If you really are confident enough as your words imply, I suggest you do so.

The economy is growing and US unemployment is at 50 year lows, that is clear fact and not speculation.
Well possibly, but you're honestly just making things up.
>Ack, and thanks for your comment. I am choosing to disengage from this conversation, have fun!

Sorry, what was it about my comment you vehemently disagree with?
So Twitter’s C++, Java and Scala will be redone in Tesla Python.

This will be awesome.
> Given 24-48 hours in a gigantic tech company’s code base made up of dozens of teams and hundreds (thousands?) of logical services? No, I couldn’t tell you the “quality” of the code.

You could probably call out the bullshitters, though. They aren't refactoring the code base.
> some engineers received a calendar invite Friday, telling them: “Stop printing, please be ready to show your recent code,” a reference to engineers being asked to show the code they had written in the last 30 to 60 days on their computers.

> The note continues, “Please come prepared with code as a backup to review on your own machines with Elon.”

It seems to me that some engineers are being evaluated for their suitability to being in those positions.

Maybe it's an engineer review, not a code review.

Reminiscent of the Elon message to the former CEO: "What have you got done this week?"
> For an unfathomable amount of the people working at twitter the answer will be zero lines of code.

True, but an accusatory calendar invite still isn't a good way to do this. He could find out himself from the commit history/JIRA tickets, with the additional benefit of not putting people on the defensive and making a poor first impression. Then again, relationship building isn't really his style, so this doesn't surprise me.
Port it to the ultra fast MIPS CPU in your router.
right, dining with someone with allergies remains as inconvenient as usual.
It makes sense because twitter is mostly written in scala and Tesla's engineers are scala experts right? ..... right?
Thanks! I know a lot about a lot of things.
I think it’s just nice that they’re all large successful companies _without_ an ad model.
I share pics using nextcloud links, but not that often, usually just via email for simplicity.

For something with a social element I'm not sure, though open source alternatives to popular platforms usually pop up on the front page.
We can only dream of such a world where those projects hadn't been funded. Along with the immeasurable wastage of resources, diversion of human talent, and theft of tax revenue.
Sinuses offer new way of studying the evolution of ancient humans
> You can giggle along with the anonymous source who wasn't involved if you wish but Tesla collects a rather large amount of telemetry and has all manner of micro services crap internally just like Twitter.

Yes, collecting telemetry is quite equivalent to making a globally-distributed, many-to-many messaging platform available to everyone in real time.

> For an unfathomable amount of the people working at twitter the answer will be zero lines of code.

One of our most productive engineers left the company with negative several hundred thousand lines of code impact over his career. What would he print out?
I get the impression you aren’t a software engineer. So to clarify: AI is not generalized enough to the point where there’d be much common expertise unless, say, this code review was very narrowly focused on computer vision. And even then this article specifically talks about code review, which, unless you have the context of the Twitter codebase isn’t going to be very meaningful. You might do this if you’re buying a teeny tiny startup with no real engineering culture - not (formerly) publicly traded company.

I’be been a software engineer for nearly 2 decades and have been involved in multiple technical due-diligence endeavors. At best, you’re just grokking the big-picture and looking for any major red flags. Getting involved in individual code reviews is not a useful exercise outside of understanding a team’s SDLC and various coding practices - for an org the size of Twitter all of that stuff should have been documented and shared during due diligence (which Musk waved) - injecting outside engineers into the code review process is just an expensive and sloppy way to uncover what could otherwise be gleaned in an easier fashion.

I do see one big red flag for Twitter: it now has leadership that doesn’t trust the engineering organization. For a technology company that can be fatal if not resolved quickly.
>You seem to have fooled literally every person replying to your post, then.

Fooled? No.

>Perhaps consider that your reactionary post was not quite as "rational" as you'd like to believe, or at least that you haven't yet said what you mean.

What part of any of my comments are reactionary? What have I said that I don't mean? I genuinely don't understand.
Are these the same Tesla AI experts that can't make FSD work?
A friend used to have one with a sort of slider; it was still though a digital touch interface but had enough steps to make it feel continuous. Never wrote down what it was, and never saw one since.

I myselr used to have one that would go in 200W steps, that was also pretty great. Also never saw that on another model.
Rich Dad Poor Dad. It completely changed how I view the world of personal finance and has already changed my future for the better.
Do you not think you could sit down with somebody and explain it?
Will Elon Musk keep funding Bluesky?
Game developers wanted to keep selling new cabinets to arcades. Arcade owners wanted to maximize ROI and reuse assets with new/modified games, which some enterprising engineers were able to provide. Ms Pac-Man started this way: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ms._Pac-Man
The perfect commit = links to his own PRs
Okay sure
> It's pretty clear to me that there are elements of the elite media-political complex that are terrified of Elon purchasing Twitter because he's not part of their crowd and they won't be able to control him and through him what is and isn't allowed on Twitter. IMO all articles about this should be read with that in mind.

It's pretty clear there are elements of the Hacker News community who are obsessed with "cancel culture" and think Elon is some kind of billionaire, infallible savior who will "stick it" to all those terrible wokes who are ruining the tech industry as the protected bro-space it's been for decades. IMO all hacker news comments should be read with this in mind.
he may have been rich from his family, but he became Rich from zip2 and x.com/paypal (and subsequent re-investments)
If those engineers worked on the distributed services that Tesla uses, this makes sense. But if Elmo just picked a handful of rando engineers to flank him, it makes no sense at all.
Is there any reason to suspect that Twitter's code will be of this terrible quality? If not, then again: what's the point of bringing random engineers in to take a look at code from an entirely unfamiliar domain?
Whos to say that these TSLA engineers didnt take PTO time and Musk is paying them a consulting rate?
Are these the engineers that are dancing with the devil in the pale moonlight?
Because they don't have a union so they were excluded from all the big-boy negotiations at the sale, and they've no way to resist the demands of their bosses. They can put up, or shut up. Or just complain pathetically.
You can probably read the code. Whether you can accurately assess it for the right set of tradeoffs is generally far harder.