skysight-inc/HackerNews huggingface dataset:
> What doctors LIKE are the ones they get used to in their residency, fellowships, and first years in practice.

From observing a family member implement these systems, I'd say that what doctors like is an administration that's willing to listen to their specific complaints and then get the changes or some subset of them implemented in the system. There's often a fair amount of customization that can even be done at the customer level to achieve this.

Seemingly, too many institutional administrators fall in love with the sales pitch and then are demoralized into acrimony when their doctors don't just automatically feel the same way on the roll out day.
It seems that Copilot could address this issue by searching for matches in its source repositories for the strings it generates, with appropriate criteria, and give the user a link describing the origin of the code, who wrote it, and what the license is for cases where a match length exceeds a threshold. So, you wouldn't just get the Quake fast integer square root routine, you'd get a pointer to the Quake repository and license info from which it came. A separate model could be trained up that would find the closest match in source code repositories. A user could then use Copilot safely, attribute code correctly, and avoid code with incompatible licenses.

This would be a better approach than "shut it down".
> We need the legal right to do things like host Your Content, publish it, and share it. You grant us and our legal successors the right to store, archive, parse, and display Your Content, and make incidental copies, as necessary to provide the Service, including improving the Service over time. This license includes the right to do things like copy it to our database and make backups; show it to you and other users; parse it into a search index or otherwise analyze it on our servers; share it with other users; and perform it, in case Your Content is something like music or video.

I don’t think it’s accidental that this product is specifically Github Copilot.

But even then I think this is legal overkill. If you use the search box on Github they will display snippets of code from public repositories without the license. Same as what Sourcegraph does same as Copilot does. Nobody here is arguing ripgrep is violating the license by displaying matches without the corresponding license.
Needs a custom package manager and text editor for the trifecta.
The same copyright laws that the open source proponents are complaining about MS breaking?
It's really not. From what I've seen of crashes and boot up screens, most airlines seem to use some rebranded Android experience. I'm fairly confident that's what American used the most recent time I flew them based on some navigation buttons that appeared on the bottom at one point. There's a lot of Android devs out there in the world, but AA does seem to hire or subcontract to some particularly bad ones.
Speaking from the user side on CI usability, SourceHut, while not supporting a cache (which would be dope), has been pretty good with Nix and supports running NixOS unstable as an image for CI. This has been better for me than wasting steps building containers from Nix and then running the containers that some CIs require. I believe the SourceHut setup is in nixpkgs too to run yourself easily.
NotaScope: My data visualization research-in-progress
They can’t really swat everyone who does something they don’t like, that doesn’t scale.

It’s why private arms ownership (in the millions) and ability to use cash (also in the millions) IS one of the (only effective) checks and balances.

The idea of the state having effective state-based checks and balances to restrain the power of the state is nonsense. We tried that and got a military-industrial takeover of all 3 branches via universal communications surveillance of every single judge, congressperson, and chief executive/cabinet by unelected military spies. There are people in the USG who know the location tracklogs and call history, iMessage history, iCloud Photos, email contents, and fb/wa/ig DM contents of every single mistress, sex worker, bag man, and drug dealer that services every individual member of the executive, legislative, and judicial branches, as well as their entire personal and professional staff, and can threaten or blackmail any of them at will. In theory there are checks and balances over these spies, but in practice once they have that kind of power, they have enough power to keep abuses of same out of the newspaper.

It’s like the police stopping police crime; it is a nice idea in theory but does not happen in the real world.

To maintain a free society you must maintain the practical ability for millions to do things that are legal but that the state REALLY does not want them to do. Payments are #1 on that list as they enable publishing and organizing.

Also, the USG does call in missile strikes on US citizens (as well as their entire families) that they simply don't like, and checks and balances don't stop that at all:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anwar_al-Awlaki

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Abdulrahman_al-Awla...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Nawar_al-Awlaki
Actually this is a pretty interesting question. I ended up looking this up, per Brookings [^1]:

> check-cashing outlets provide a range of convenient payment services in one location. They cash paychecks, sell low-cost money orders with stamped envelopes for making long-distance payments, and serve as agents for utility bill payments and electronic money transfer services, such as Western Union

So unbanked people have to use (often high-cost) proxies to participate in these sorts of economies. Probably contributes to their unbanked status since it's hard to save enough to open a checking account when fees constantly eat into savings.

As to the point about elderly, according to the FDIC survey [^2], the under/un-banked rates among older age groups is actually lower than, say, the 25-34 year old age group. However, I think OP's post still stands because 1. If your retired being unbanked is arguably worse, as if you have to use the previously mentioned check-cashing outlets, you're going to eat through any savings you have a lot faster, and 2. there's a technological argument as well, and if smartphone adoption becomes more and more a requirement towards accessing finances, then technical literacy rates become a new barrier and that tends to be associated with younger populations.

[^1]: https://www.brookings.edu/articles/bringing-unbanked-househo...
[^2]: https://www.fdic.gov/householdsurvey/2017/2017report.pdf
The WebUI of the tracker is the WebUI of mantis, a powerful if-old-school bug and feature tracking system which we leave (99.5%) untouched.

We're not going to get into a discussion if this useful feedback on HN, but I will file it in our bug tracker. If you'd like to participate in a discussion / the resolution, you know what to do.

> But I feel like Ardour might be missing out on a big chunk of useful feedback from people that don't even engage with the product deeply enough to provide feedback

this is a liability for all software, especially large, complex, creative-tools style software.
I wonder if people realize that letting GitHub train Copilot on their open source contributions is effectively de-valuing your own time, which (if repeated at a larger scale) devalues your experience, and that eventually has the effect of reducing the correlation between your experience and your salary.

For example, if an overseas firm can just as easily use Copilot as I can write original code (or use Copilot myself), why would any company hire me locally?
My friends and I always said that Pretty Hate Machine is what happens when a girl really fucks up a guy.

At the same time, the guy that did Mad Max also did Happy Feet, so sometimes you just like a little grit, and sometimes you just like a little fluff. (and paychecks!!)
Make sure they're not confusing this with Washington University in St. Louis. This (wustl.edu) is a long-time big-name school in computer science, home of code repositories from ancient times.
Legal does not mean just, nor does it mean moral.
Is there any evidence that the PostgreSQL or MariaDB solution will though?
This is truly one of the best moderated places on the internet IMO, and one of the only places after 20 years of posting on message boards that I can go without hurtling toward a flame war every time I log on nowadays. Part of it is, I'm opinionated and I think probably enjoy arguing more than might be reasonable sometimes. Another part though is that the moderation quality is so high here and so low on places like Reddit + Twitter. My 2 pence.

Probably the lack of ability to advertise here the way you are encouraged to do on Twitter/FB/IG/Reddit (because they need that revenue) factors in as well.
Its better to know, even if you like Copilot and want it to continue.

> I get the author not liking Copilot, but I don't see that GitHub/Microsoft have any kind of obligation to figure this out just because they're GitHub/Microsoft.

Because its a trillion dollar company with an infinite amount of lawyers and legal resources?
There's really very little difference between far left and far right. They're both radical extremes that allow no diversity of thought and that demand unquestioning allegiance to the tribe. Contrary to popular sentiment (or media narratives) they will both resort to verbal and physical violence in support of their views. The only real difference is their opinion of government. Leftist want a total nanny state, far right-wingers want anarchy -- until one of them actually takes power. Then they both take the form of a dictatorship in some form.

Unfortunately, in today's atmosphere (and the sentiment in your comment seems to betray this), people on the left view anyone who's actually a moderate or even slightly right-of-center as "far right".
In 2006 I saw Kanye West perform at a music festival. This was while he was touring for his second album.

I got an early taste of his mental illness. He started maybe 5 songs, each of which he would cut short in the middle to rant about the sound being off. He was completely unhinged and rambling each time. After 20 minutes he simply walked off stage and that was that.

Ever since then, I've found that his illness has been very evident in the art itself. It precludes me from enjoying it, and there's been a number of times I've felt terribly sad seeing these signs celebrated by those who don't see the connection (which is not to suggest that they should).

All that said, I've never even considered this perspective, so thank you for sharing it. It makes a mountain of sense, and makes the whole situation that much sadder (and more complex).
You're missing the } and { around your else, btw. I'm only mentioning that because I immediately saw it and got ready to read a horrifying story involving the text "#define else".
Payroll tax currently caps at $147k, if we remove that limit it would reduce that deficit even further. This theoretical giveaway policy is a drop in the bucket compared to many other tax policies that exist right now.
Careful though, you are trading yours (and their) muscle memory and brainpower to be locked into a proprietary solution.

Reread your post. Doesn't it sound scary? You are blocked from even thinking and crafting because a specific web service is down.

Even if Google is down you can go direct to Stackoverflow and MDN, and have a choice of information sources.

Also what is "productivity" ... as in features built / month or lines of code / month?
> or adopt a grown-mindset and learn about new things.

Is newer better? Should people be required to buy an array of fragile and expensive devices just to function? How many things should they be required to maintain and how complex should they be?
The point is not if the law is actually upheld or not.
Its if it is legal or not.
If the code was purely utilitarian in nature, such as something that was optimized for execution time, there is plenty of precedent stating that the code in question is not covered by copyright.

Do an internet search for “copyright utilitarian” and read up on it if you don’t believe me!

Copyright is about protecting artistic expression which is held in contrast to the useful nature of a work.
Another part of the answer is that UW sits at #10 in the USNews list of top undergraduate CS programs in the United States: https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/computer-scien... and even higher in their postgraduate CS program ranking. While such rankings can be gamed to some extent, there is little doubt that UW has a very highly regarded CS department.
It would be nice if crates supported being signed with GPG or minisign or whatever.

I can imagine for example, importing keys from only the authors that I think I can trust, and passing a flag to cargo that only allows using those packages for cargo install or cargo add.

In this case I think just checking the top level crates signature (and not dependencies) would be enough to mitigate a lot of issues including typo squatting.
Well... If you do a search you'll find that there are actually lots of lawsuits related to open source license violation, mostly around GPL license. Maybe educate yourself first
I think you can explain incompleteness without forcing readers to learn a prooflang
Tweet was deleted?
Maybe I will start writing open source code intended to trick copilot. Stuff that just about works in the given context, but will fail badly if copypasta'd into another program. If we all did that.
Admittedly he does very little with his computer. He often said these days it's mostly reading and writing emails and merging patches. And he often stated he does not know nor care much about how his desktop works. He uses stock Fedora and spends his time inside his Micro Emacs clone, and laments he's not even doing much coding these days.

I wouldn't be surprised if he had a harder time than an average sweng to set up a LAMP server or troubleshoot networking issues.

Being central to the kernel development doesn't automatically mean you're a computer wiz.
Multi hop makes it more difficult. You could chain a bunch of proxies together to make trivial correlation attacks much harder, just like Tor does.

That's fine if you don't mind sites either not loading, loading reallly slow, or tons of captchas and loss of functionality.

Virtual desktops with AWS via disposable credit card is pretty good, imho.
From your second link:

> In a computer program, the lowest level of abstraction, the concrete code of the program, is clearly expression, while the highest level of abstraction, the general function of the program, might be better classified as the idea behind the program.

Copilot is alleged to be reproducing blocks of code verbatim, which fall into the expression side of the idea/expression distinction, which by your own links and statements appears to show that the allegations against Copilot are not false.

I'm not going to say you're necessarily disagreeing with reality (I'm not really sure what that's supposed to mean) but you're certainly contradicting the evidence you've brought.
I initially used the class-10 microSD card that boots the Pi, but I've moved to an ISCSI mount on my NAS, mostly because I have an unsophisticated LFS setup
> While I agree that it would have been sensible to phase out coal and then nuclear

How about not phasing it out at all.

> The fallout from Tschernobyl was measurable in Germany… measurable as in my science teacher measured it in his garden

Yeah you can also measure the output form coal plants.

Tschernobyl killed either literally or basically nobody in German, and hardly hurt anybody.

It was basically nonsense, because of political reasons rules were adopted based on totally fraudulent science and then these rules were used in endless scare mongering campaigns and misinformation campaigns.

But at some point you have to stop with pure emotional responses and endless fear-mongering and actually look at things rationally.
very interesting indeed
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33235810

Interesting when i come up with similar findings it's silenced
What does a traffic cop do except gesticulate and blow a little whistle? /s
Would an opt-in system fix this? Where your code is only learned from if you opt into using Copilot to help you develop faster?
Not trying to overly advocate for copy-pasting here, but isn't copy-pasting just the ugly child of calling a library function? If it's a blind copy-paste it's pretty much the same effect. Surely you wouldn't call using a library being an intestinal parasite?
> If the code was covered by license in the first place

the comment you're replying to stated that it was covered by the LGPL.
Today software like fldigi would decode the signal perfectly.
Re-Greening a Dryland Watershed
>You could

Clearly Germany couldnt, otherwise they would decommission coal plants.
Nice, thanks for the details!
Google search doesn't return random snippets of text without indicating their source.
An important part of the opinion (on the wiki page you linked to) is completely missing in the case of AI datasets:

> It generates new audiences and creates new sources of income for authors and publishers.

This is definitely not the case for artists and photographers, who don't benefit at all from the transformative nature of the AI output, and in fact are significantly harmed since it dilutes the uniqueness of their work by allowing anyone to imitate their style. Though to my knowledge "style" isn't protected by copyright - only trademark - I can't imagine there won't be lawsuits about this in the future.

That one artist who complained that people can't find his original work online now because of so many imitated pics is definitely exhibit A in terms of direct harm.
> Edit: Downvotes mean you disagree with reality.

Alternative theory: you're overconfident and wrong, and haven't even read the tweet I shared. CoPilot is observed to reproduce entire files (less two lines), down to variable names and comments, verbatim, from a repo that's covered by the LGPL.

If verbatim copies are not covered by copyright, then software can effectively never be copyrighted. And that there would be an extreme departure from "reality."

regarding your edit: this is a verbatim copy. The process you're describing is actually strengthening, not weakening, my argument. It allows material dissimilarity in the face of an overall similarity. Whatever process is meant to be applied to the licensed code and the allegedly infringing code, it will produce identical output given identical input. You're attempting to claim that the entire file would be deleted by the process and that the remainder would be an empty comparison which would (granted) be covered by fair use. And since CoPilot has been shown to redistribute multiple files, your "case" would hinge upon the entire repository not being covered by copyright. This is beyond absurd.

edit 2:

> Or don't! Just keep downvoting in support of your fantasies! Wheeeeee!

Please review the site guidelines. You're both whining about downvotes and sneering at the community with this. Probably time to take a break from the keyboard.

edit 3:

> Care to address the content of my claims?

Probably time to take a break from the keyboard.
Most of these points can also be raised against DALL-E 2, but software has one extra thorn: patents.

It's a common advice to not read software patents[1] because the infringement penalties are lower if you did so unwittingly, that is, by reinventing the patented technique yourself.

I wonder if using Copilot doesn't push the penalties back again to wilful infringement. Or worse, patent trolls poisoning the training data with patented algorithms.

[1]: https://queue.acm.org/detail.cfm?id=3489047
It doesn't void anything. If you use Copilot to copy some licensed code illegally, you are the person in breach, not the tool. People using Copilot are possibly littering their code-base with future copyright liabilities, and they'd have no idea about it. Until someone writes an AI to find infringing software and automatically sue them...
Here Director of Privacy Management says data sovereignty entering a new era
what if a service could tell you everywhere your photo was on the Internet?
Feels as though an organization such as this should have more domain appropriate points of contact than Twitter or Reddit.

A very interesting thing nonetheless.
So if a particular convolution appears often, how would you assign value to that? Any ideas?
Consider a clause that is unenforceable because it contradicts some rights enshrined in law. If someone was misled into believing the clause is enforceable, their rights have been infringed on unfairly due to an imbalance of information
Slapping an LGPL on something does not mean that the utilitarian aspects are covered by the license!

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Yes, I know that comments are expressive. They are clearly not utilitarian.
This would for sure have affects on anything related to Ai content generation.
What do you mean "You're not supposed to"? Is there some law that forbids this? From my (potentially naive) POV this seems to be roughly equivalent to asking physics professors to stay away from mathematics since they are likely to have some relevant cross-domain expertise.
Since you conveniently removed the correlation so you could complain the correlation is missing, lets re-insert it.

If I am a licensed pyrotechnician and am allowed to bring high explosives in the bank, does that also mean I should be able to deposit $20 into a new account at the bank? I would hope the answer is yes; if you can be trusted with high explosives in the bank you ought to be trusted to open the account and put $20 in.
I'm between 20 and 40. I'm a full time software developer. I've written software and firmware in my spare time. I've soldered MCUs and debugged them with an oscilloscope. I know better than 99% of people how my phone works. The issue is not that I am unwilling to learn new things. The issue is that cash has been functional as a method of payment for at least 3 thousand years, and the reasons being given for preventing it from being legal tender objectively do not stand up to scrutiny. There is no cycle. You're just wrong. Oh, and I use cash for 100% of the transactions that support it, because I know what's good for me.
Im reading about tridactyl rn and think I might propose to whoever wrote this plugin.

"yy — copy the current page URL to the clipboard"

YESSS
30+ years ago I visited a skif at NRL, and someone responsible for doing the mapping said that they basically tracked all the whales, even back then.
Ticketmaster requires e-tickets that de facto require a smartphone. No longer can buy tickets anonymously.

There were Sony hearing aids discussed here yesterday, requires an app to configure.

Aunt's hottub/pool requires an app to configure.

Many Universities require them.
> This is precisely my point though, "stock photography" isn't an individual work … It is the act of infringing, not the technology, which is relevant here.

I completely agree.

See https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33241173 for my comments on that topic. (edit: self-censorship, for example, can be extended to generative AI systems)

> if the argument is about that the tech makes it "possible to fully or substantially recreate any given existing work" using deliberate and specific inputs, well we've had plenty of legal precedent on that too.

In this case, however, given that we are talking about a computer program, and as such, there are ways to legislate copyright protection (or other protections) without throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

See https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33194623 for some initial thoughts on that topic
Sure. How about Fox News? https://www.foxnews.com/world/russia-funding-environmental-g...
They should be trying to find a business model.
Yeah, I agree that double precision makes sense for modeling a very large system in data, but I've never bought the need for double precision when it comes to rendering a small subsection of it. Unless you have an incredibly high resolution display, single precision should be enough.