skysight-inc/HackerNews huggingface dataset:
The difference is that one is obviously categorized, and the other has no categorization. There's hundreds, if not thousands, of items on Amazon that can kill.

Even if we start a lost of possible harmful items, would it solve the issue in this case? How are minors buying anything in the interent without supervision? Were they even using an account marked as a minor?
I never said it doesn't happen?? I literally even specified "(for me)."

I believe you, I'm extremely surprised I didn't see this considering I've logged in from all sorts of sketchy IPs/VPNs.
Where were you trying to travel from? Last time I was at the congress, most people I talked to arrived by train, myself included, even if it took a day of traveling.
> HN hates Amazon

Are you joking? Amazon is one of the A's in FAANG, the mostly highly coveted pseudo-conglomerate to be employed by on HN. People trumpet their roles at FAANG every day here, and most of the rest fawn up to them non-stop.

And that's not even getting started on the obsession with AWS here.
A first glance, this may sound like a case of a bad US company meeting reasonable labor laws, but Euro laws of often unreasonably restrictive. Companies choose to leave entirely, as happened here. How many people lost their jobs so this one person could have their payout? This company definitely sucks, but still unfortunate for others caught in the crossfire.
This isn’t a contrarian attitude, it’s a “parent your own children instead of insisting corporations parent all of us” attitude.

I feel for the parents’ grief. I also understand how difficult parenting a troubled teenager must be.

I also categorically reject the idea that Amazon is culpable, and I think that these particular parents, in their grief, are merely attempting to externalize their feelings of guilt.

They want to rage at something or someone other than themselves.
Indeed.

Not to mention that the company was already monitoring keystrokes and requiring screen sharing. This indeed is some slavery mindset.
...that it still exists.

God, I wish we just had a better language for the Web altogether. Something with sane UI primitives that automatically translate into platform API calls (i.e. you say <button>, the OS renders a button based on its own UI guidelines).

Some days I'm still nostalgic for XML + XSLT, which is like a super strict but super powerful alternative to HTML + CSS. You define the structure however you like, using a schema of your choosing, and then use XSLT to define the output, transformations, and styling. Instead, we get kludges like React trying to shoehorn their own abstractions into a million autogenerated nested <div>s because the DOM is the DOM, and having to build a UI lib on top of that, once per project per company per platform. It sucks!

HTML is a blank piece of paper force-fed into a 90s-style typewriter. Modern UIs are composed out of layers of abstractions that vaguely signal intent. The two are not a good pairing :(
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This really seems like a solution that's looking for a problem. From the way it reads, these are the ones that are meant for produce. Most of the ones I see are already compostable.

Seems like a drop in the bucket compared to all of the plastic bags that are being used with the still increased level of take-out food.
It's easier to blame a corporation. People also need closure and an explanation that does not place the blame on them.

Parents are absolutely to blame here, our educational system is tito blame here. Our values and society in general have to be blamed here.
Do you not understand that suicide affects everyone around the person? It's an incredibly selfish decision and definitely should be done with more than 5 seconds of thought.

As the other person said, stop being obtuse.
I've personally spent too many long hours up through the night in flow state without realizing how much time had passed until I could finally recognize the fatigue. The difference between pervasive engagement in an enjoyable hobby and a "death march" isn't as cut and dry as I used to believe.

It has served as a warning to me to never take the advice of "so long as you're happy you'll be fine" literally. Now I can't stay up past midnight without waking up fatigued for hours in the morning.

I was having so much fun and feeling a sense of personal fulfillment that I don't think anything short of a physical intervention would have stopped me. Words like those in the OP's post simply glanced off my consciousness for years, as I had believed I had found a decent activity to be interested in. Some consequences can only be appreciated by experiencing them in reality, and no amount of words can effect change on some personality types.
> Why is it amazon’s responsibility to safeguard your children? That’s your responsibility.

Indeed. And we intend to exercise that responsibility to safeguard our children by stopping Amazon from mixing suicide kits in with shipments of innocuous household goods.
Oh, I thought they were already aware that Firefox had cookie banner blocking too. My bad.
Support for most companies is completely broken and ineffectual.

Everything is siloed so hard that problems are a “support issue” and not a product, UI, sales, legal, or engineering issue.

I’m not surprised that the lowest paid people at Stripe can’t help and people are forced to air their grievances here on HN.
It's obvious you have no idea what you're talking about, so ideally you should really stop talking.

Try speaking to someone who has experienced suicidal ideation and how afraid they are they may actually do it in a moment of insanity.
> After all, you’re trying to create and control a new life form. Isn’t that a teensy bit unethical?

1) If created correctly, it isn't a life form.

2) "life form" and any kind of reasoning from non-artificial entities will almost certainly lead to incorrect conclusions.

3) Destroying humanity is unethical by any non-broken value system.

> There’s a chance that AGI will have no interest in harming humanity, too.

There's a chance that all the air molecules in the room will all simultaneously be on the opposite side, causing someone to suffocate. But it's an vast understatement to say that that's mind-bogglingly unlikely.

The most likely scenario is that AGI has no idea what "humanity" is. You don't have to be the AGI's "enemy" to be made of matter that it isn't prohibited from repurposing elsewhere.

> But people talk like it’s a foregone conclusion.

It's the default without substantial work to the contrary. And even if it wasn't, something doesn't have to be a foregone conclusion to be too dangerous. Nobody should be individually considering whether to blow up the sun, either.
Basically yes. The exact time isn't so important, as long as the rough interval increases with each success and decreases with each failure.
Great project but a little too much for the ones of us with only software development skills.

I use smart plugs over Wi-Fi to do that. Shelly Plug S have a small physical button, a web app, a HTTP URL to call to switch the plug on or off. They also have a lot of features that I don't need. Among them MQTT and Alexa/Google integrations. A few bash scripts with curl and I can do everything I need. The price is reasonable and they saved me a lot of time.
Probably better to run a decoy signal (or two) in the background with similar characteristics.
Take away air conditioning and most people with the means would move to a more temperate location.
Title seems to have been mangled: "How old various Unix signals are"
They also are high concentration hydrogen peroxide that will eat ones arm off. We intentionally don't sell it to the general public at that concentration for safety reasons. It seems that the benefits outweigh the costs in my example and with thebtopic at hand. A bit more convenience for some is not worth the preventable death of others.
I've seen that to, grocery stores with the "really thick nice bags" like you see at a hardware store. They can't cost that much more, and they REALLY ARE nice, but they don't do much to defeat the problem.

really nice, tho
I mean… seems like it worked?
> OS/2 only made it worse for IBM by shipping DOS+Windows compatibility, so basically zero developers wrote OS/2-native applications.

Practically zero developers wrote for OS/2 because IBM made it hard to do so. I remember something Jerry Pournelle wrote about his experience at a major trade show (COMDEX?) that IBM and Microsoft both attended, after Warp was out and I think when Windows 95 was still in beta.

At the IBM booth he told them he'd like to do some OS/2 development and asked how to get started. They gave him a form to fill out to apply for their developer program. They wanted details on what he wanted to develop, his business plan, and stuff like that. If that was all acceptable to IBM then they would let him to buy their expensive SDK.

Then he went to the Microsoft booth and said he'd like to develop for Windows 95. They handed him a CD-ROM with the SDK, tools, and documentation.

Later, after Windows 95 was released I remember going to a retail software store (Egghead) and in the developer software section there was nothing at all from IBM. Microsoft on the other had everything one needed to start development there. Watcom C/C++ was also there, which supported DOS, Windows, OS/2, Netware, and major DOS extenders, so at least you could get some OS/2 developer tools at retail.

And if you did go through all the hoops and develop something for OS/2, IBM didn't seem to care. Apple and Microsoft were always on the lookout for 3rd party programs that could promote their platforms and would run ad campaigns featuring them. They'd pay stores to put such software in better locations.

(That same not bothering to market applied to the OS itself. The reason when when you walked into a major software store you would be greeted with a front of store Windows 95 display while OS/2 was on a bottom shelf somewhere in the back of the store most of the lights were burned out and the remaining ones were flickering in a way that made you nauseous is that the stores sell shelf space. Microsoft paid for premium space. IBM did not).

They also did a terrible job of hardware support, particular video card support. I wanted to quad boot between Windows 95, Windows NT, OS/2 Warp, and Linux.

I had to go through something like half a dozen or more cards video before I found one that worked well enough with OS/2 to support a decent resolution and frame rate. I had expected Linux to be the one to give me the most trouble, but it wasn't too bad.

IBM should have had its own team of video driver developers writing drivers for all the common cards that didn't already have good OS/2 support from the card vendors.
Corporations only care about their bottom line, if it wouldn't be for the liberal governments and liberal customers for all they care ISIS could use their platforms to advertise. Hollywood is the same, it's just a happy accident that liberals tend to be able to spend more money.

And thank God for that because the conservatives are knee-deep in conspiracy theories, cults and domestic terrorism. If you want a conservative country visit Russia or Iran and try to exercise your free speech. That's coming to the United States too if the Republican Party can help it, their brand of Christian fascism is hardly better. Similarly conservative platforms on the internet are banning every morsel of dissent. For a conservative free speech means my free speech, but they are like that with everything. I'm not even generalizing, the conservative culture in the United States is like that. There is no denying it. It's ugly, but we are responsible for shining a light on it, otherwise we are letting it happen and we have already seen what that looks like.
Paypal is more expensive.
Well, I don't know what to tell you. There isn't anything published around this. But you can maybe find traces of the posters on social media.

They where an iteration of the "Birds doesn't exist..." posters which was a meme during that years CCC.
At the least, those heavier plastic bags are less likely to blow away and get into the water and general environment. The heavier bags are more likely to end up in recycling or trash.

We use those heavier plastic bags as trash bags as that is about how often we end up with one when we don’t have our reusable ready. It worked out well. Recently the grocery switched to paper bags without handles. Those don’t work as well for trash bags and without handles they are poor grocery bags.
A Man Who Filled Spain with Pistachios
Why not both?
Parent your children + require sensible safeguards
Seems like a simple fix would be just to give out some reusable bags for free. Reusable bags are way easier to carry than a bunch of plastic ones. Do you actually think that getting rid of single use plastic bags is to make things more difficult for people who are poor?
Keep it or toss it? ‘Best before’ labels cause confusion
It's not just the one thing. It's all the things that we have and keep adding because "think of the children!"
They used these thicker bags 20+ years ago, then went to the thin ones. Now we all figured out how useless those thin ones are. And we’re back to the thick ones.

It’s quite shocking visiting a place with no bag restrictions like Florida or Nevada, where they just automatically bag even the simplest purchase of tictacs.
Of course, it's perfectly permissible to run advertising to support Gavin Newsom, regardless of the content, just like it is impermissible to run advertising supporting his opponent, regardless of the content.
Where I live there's a small fee per bag if plastic, free if paper (and the store offers it), or you bring your own. It's virtually eliminated plastic bags at stores and also had the side effect of eliminating them as a second-use source for small bags around our household -- e.g. organic trash, small bins, etc. We never tossed these bags as-is, they always had a secondary function.

As our previous inventory shrinks (we had collected around a hundred of them), we've started introducing more of the large plastic vegetable bags from the grocery and/or considering just buying a box of a thousand grocery store bags from Costco as their form-factor is really useful (easy to tie-off to help control smells).
True. As an alternative, I personally just created a one-action shortcut for turning off wifi and assigned it to the double backtap action[0]. So i dont even need to look at the screen anymore or go into any menus. I just do a double backtap, and wifi stays turned off until i need it (same as doing it from the settings).

If you want, you can also just add that shortcut to lockscreen as well and do it via a single tap from there (which is also less clicks than even control center).

0. https://support.apple.com/guide/shortcuts/run-shortcuts-tapp...
Are you going to complain when other people seize power and run the same game against your side, or will you say well played?

Rather than fight to make the system equal and fair, you favour tilting it in your direction assuming it will never tilt the other way?
Please can you specify what do you mean?
Yes at least when I’m sick or on parental leave it’s not the company paying the parental leave money. The law makes it a requirement for my employer to let me take my parental leave, i.e they can’t refuse or not have my job there when I return. So while that’s a cost to them, of course they don’t pay me my 80% salary when I’m gone 6-12 months. Tax money does. My employer can use my salary money to pay for my replacement.
> Amazon shouldn't be selling sodium-nitrite to minors

The category of things that "might be harmful to minors" is impossibly broad. I suspect Amazon will be removing this chemical from their listings, just as Amazon and eBay constantly add new items to their banned items list. There are several chemicals that I ordered from Amazon in the past that now can't be found online, and I expect it's only a matter of time until pure sodium nitrite also disappears.

The bigger question is: Should we be forcing every online marketplace to perform strict age verification of every customer? From the article:

> Kristine was able to create an Amazon account even though she was under 18, skirting Amazon rules against underage account holders—the lawsuit notes that Amazon does not verify age.

If a minor can get ahold of a credit card, it's not hard to imagine that they can also get ahold of their parent's drivers license to go through an arbitrary age verification too.

Even if they did perform age verification on accounts, how would you expect Amazon to verify that the person pressing the Checkout button is actually the parent, and not a minor who sat down at their parents' computer and went to Amazon.com?

It's really easy to make blanket dismissals of difficult situations in comments ("Amazon shouldn't be selling X to minors...") but the reality is that the only way to prevent these things is to remove them entirely from the marketplace. Amazon does remove a lot of potentially misused medications and chemicals from their marketplace, but the list is never going to perfectly capture every single combination of items that might trend as being harmful.

What would you propose as a practical solution? A blanket ban on anything that might be harmful?
I think you underestimate how easy it would be to walk into most stores and find something to kill yourself with, if you have the right information. Any pharmacy, hardware store, walmart type store, grocery store, etc.
At their scale, it is entirely possible that this wasn’t malice, just bad algorithms/poor testing. All they had to do was say sorry and fix the recommendations. Instead, they’re lawyering up for a fight.

Just how much profit are they making from these kits? Must be negligible to them? I don’t understand why they think it is worth fighting this? Or is it their policy to always fight, never back down, never say sorry etc? I honestly don’t understand. Even ignoring ethics and looking at it from only economics, it doesn’t make sense to me. What am I missing?
The article says that the Amazon recommendation algorithm was also recommending along with the sodium nitrite, "a scale to measure a lethal dose, a drug to prevent vomiting, and a book with instructions on how to use the chemical to attempt suicide". This is beyond just suggesting the chemical itself, this is almost suggesting to certain users to commit suicide.
There’s no way they’re doing this on purpose. They can’t possibly be selling enough of these to offset legal fees and bad press
> you have to make sure that important functionality doesn't break when it's applied.

This feels unnecessarily conservative for a browser trying to achieve literally any market share; nobody's got only Brave installed and those who have it at all are those most likely to understand if a site is broken because of its blocking measures.

If Brave isn't going to be the one to push privacy features over compatibility, who is? I mean, you didn't name it "Caution".
I don't know, whenever anyone on any forum posts "I'm at FAANG and I hate it, I want to die", it's always Amazon.

Everyone I know with other options ignores Amazon recruiters.

I don't think this is a niche opinion, though I wouldn't go as far as saying "HN hates Amazon". Hell, I don't even hate Amazon, I buy stuff there all the time.
I have alarm bells to realize that I've worked myself to unproductivity:

- Am I tempted to erase types?
- Am I tempted to disable unit tests?
- Am I tempted to go for technical debt?

Then yes, I have to take a long walk, read a book, or do some manual work until I feel refreshed and wide perspective returns.
Yes you might be able to do that, at the risk of some personal liability because this is illegal. It’s also grossly unethical.

If your fraud has a large enough monetary value, large enough scale, or you work with another person on it, you can get hit with a serious felony charge and end up in prison for a few years. Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer or expert on credit card fraud.
Yes, but that's not amazon, it's not a general store, it's a chemical supplier.

The issue here is ease of access and direction (the instructions on how to do it), not the fact that these things exist.

It's like hydrogen peroxide. You can go to a chemical supplier and buy high concentration stuff that will eat your arm off. They don't sell that at the grocery store, because it'd be dangerous. The high concentration stuff is still available to those who need it, but it's not so easy to get and readily available that it causes preventable deaths.
I have to disagree. Adding the types will increase the number of the characters/lines of code which with a 80-char formatter limit can make functions look almost gibberish at a glance. Do that on a whole codebase and it becomes a mess to look at.
Just buy an Apple TV.
My county already banned plastic bags I think 10(?) years ago.

Since then I just don't buy enough at a time to need a bag. Period.
Haven't paid for a bag once.
Asking Amazon to not bundle these product and instead put up a suicide hotline suggestion instead is not “insisting corporations parent all of us”. It’s insisting on basic decency.

And I *AM* parenting my children when I insist on this. The only thing I’m thinking about is if my kid goes to a dark place again and starts searching the internet.

But please: why don’t you tell me how to be better parent to prevent this?
> Making accomodations for other people to reduce that disparity is not discrimination.

Giving people different accommodations based on race or sex is discrimination no matter how many times you claim it is not.

> Hiring practices in our industry have historically, and still do, overwhelmingly benefit white men. […] You STILL have the overwhelming advantage in the hiring process and are crying discrimination. It's absurd

“Equity” as it is currently practiced is inherently unfair because it reduces everything down to race, sex, and other group identities and assumes that all white men are privileged while all women and non-white people are oppressed.

Under the current equity framework a black person who was born into a wealthy family with loving parents, attended expensive private schools, and never wanted for anything is “oppressed” and deserves to be given special accommodations, while a white person born into extreme poverty with drug-addicted, absent parents is assumed to be a privileged oppressor. That is absurd.
We judge these things as a matter of degree. Like any heavy object could kill children, but some objects are more likely to do so than others. We decide how much protection to put around access to them by evaluating cost/benefit relationships.

We use those tools of analysis decide that selling suicide kits as described in the article, even after learning of the consequences, is fucking insane and indefensible.

We do that because we are rational members of society instead of autonomous algorithmic message board argument bots (or attorneys) who have developed a sociopathic disregard for the well being of others and basic common sense.
Not sure which part of that quote means it shouldn't be taken seriously. I sure wish the person yelling "fire" in this crowded theater that's quickly filling with smoke wasn't so alarmist.
They had the 5362, seemed to be about the size of a two-drawer file cabinet. I recall maybe three or four terminals connected to it from around the office. It was a small manufacturing firm and this computer was a big investment for them.
I assume you realize that a highly pure salt can be effectively diluted for uses where less is needed.
This weakens the case in my opinion. First it was everything will get hotter, then it was the climate will change, now it’s weather events will get more spectacular.

Each claim is progressively harder to nail down and prove. If there’s one thing modern forms of media is good at, it’s make mundane things seem spectacular.