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I've observed this sort of behavior in groups where the group is invested in the allegation not being true.

My sixth grade 'safety patrol' volunteer group had a member who was very popular in school, but didn't do his 'shift' on the cross walk three times and was thus eligible for expulsion. Clear fact, clear rule, but a lot of people in the group didn't want to believe that the group tolerated incompetence in order to share popularity, and so many attacks were made on the methodology of taking attendance, scheduling shifts, and the definitions of responsibilities. As the 'weird' guy in the group it made perfect sense to me, here is a rule, here is a consequence, rule gets broken, consequence gets enacted. Picked up a lot of flack for that point of view.

So here we have someone who describes an experience she had a place that considers itself hip, cool, and generally superior to other places one might work. Her experience, and more importantly her interpretation of the experience, if accepted as true, reflects badly on that place. If you still work at that place, or hold it in high esteem, you have three choices:

1) Shoot the messenger - most common response seems to be this one, shoot the bearer of bad news and you can pretend bad news doesn't exist.

2) Shoot the process - this is where people who recognize that their first instinct is to shoot the messenger but are 'above all that' and yet do not reconcile the information with their own view of the world, attack the transmission channel and accuse the channel of being broken, biased, or both.

3) Hear the message, understand the brokeness it represents, and seek out ways to figure out where the system is broken and to fix it. Of course that doesn't necessarily involve a response directly to the channel so observers outside the conversation may not see the results at all.

This community is pretty small relative to the overall community of technologists, and it has some biases with respect to places, people, and concepts. I believe you are simply seeing one of those biases emerge as a side effect of the conversation.
Look, I hate racism. I grew up the midwest and saw the terrible things that racism can do to a culture.

But my argument is, what does Freshdesk gain from going back and forth with @cloudgroupsyd? Beyond that, @cloudgroupsyd apologized but still they chose to bring up this quote to rabble-rouse and make personal attacks against him. We all say stupid stuff, we all make mistakes. Especially in this world of 140 characters or less. What more do they want the dude to do? Become a crusader for Freshdesk? Apologize to them in person?

I'm a firm believer in forgiveness. Someone wrongs you and they apologize. What do you do? You move on. You don't write a blog post about.
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The debate rages on, but there is a lot of logic, as well as empirical evidence that suggests, at the very least the War on Drugs is, in the nicest light, an immense waste of money, and an increasor of violence. As well as other countries that suggest that drugs being illegal is not best for society (Portugal).

In this case, attempting to shut down Silk Road seems like nothing but trying to police what I do that affects no one else. (In fact, the response to this, "anything can be sold on SR, weapons, etc", feeds back into the problems caused by drugs being illegal).
I'm not a big fan of the friend limit. If your concern is that you share too much with people you don't like than a simpler solution than resorting to another service would be to unfriend those people or make a list with people you care about
Yes, you could have your 246th email account as myspamaccount@hotmail.com without any fuss?!
"Check the timing of transitions between visible elements."

I think this comment is even more valuable than the rest of the article. Coding tips are helpful, but most of these can be figured out pretty quickly by a decent programmer. The timing / UI lag issue is something that I see a lot with Android apps, but not so much on iOS. As an Android developer it's important to consider these little details, and be aware that not everybody on the market will have a phone as powerful as yours ;)
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Sigh. I have a simple device that does that already. It's called a thermostat.

Edit: I have the simple device, not a device that can be controlled from anywhere. But that's not a problem I have or need to have solved.
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Absolutely. And zendesk is a play on "help desk" anyway. Now the paring of those two words together means something and a rip off might be closer to something like "zendeskr" etc.

And of course there is a long history of companies doing similar things. Say ending a domain in "ly.com" as only one example.
"anything under £100 I removed as I felt this could not easily be distinguished between daily and hourly rate."

So basically, he threw away all the data from people quoting high hourly rates, and now we're seeing a bunch of discussion here that can be summed up as "Gee, that seems a bit low, doesn't it?"
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Then we shouldn't work in voip because governments can spy on peoples conversations, or many other things that are abusable?
> "When you ask or instruct Siri to do something, it first sends a little audio file of what you said over the air to some Apple servers, which use a voice recognition system from a company called Nuance to turn the speech – in a number of languages and dialects – into text. A huge set of Siri servers then processes that to try to work out what your words actually mean. That's the crucial NLU part, which nobody else yet does on a phone."

Android phones have been doing this long before Siri came out. I am still amazed (and annoyed) at how often people claim Apple to be the first to produce things without even the smallest bit of research to see if it's actually true.
That's irrelevant, since the GPU does all the heavy lifting.
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"custom URL"

which was just created yesterday (12/3/11):

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Domain Name:RIPOFFORNOT.ORG

Created On:03-Dec-2011 14:26:48 UTC
I just sent out an invitation for a Christmas-themed dinner to a bunch of friends via email. What's wrong about it? Or surprising? How would you let 9 people know when they're expected to show up? Call each one individually just to say next Friday 8 o'clock?
You could be charged with battery.
My point is, they respond to the personal attacks by making personal attacks against the people who made them. An eye for an eye. In my opinion, they sunk down to the level of the people who were criticizing them. Making a good product speaks for itself, you don't have to have this petty back and forth.
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> How is FreshDesk ripping off or poaching the customers of ZenDesk?

Read some of the other comments in this thread.

> Ignoring the interface and naming similarities, you can't complain about ZenDesk on Twitter without multiple Freshdesk spammers bombarding you.
"This is a sharp mind at work and it is lethal.

FreshDesk is executing the standard modus operandi of upstart against an incumbent."

Agree. Compete.com numbers (no bashing please) show 1.28 million monthly for zendesk to 2.4k for freshdesk. Should be interesting to revisit this in 3 to 6 months and see what has happened.
With all due respect there is precisely no evidence in any of her voluminous writing that (and I quote):

* she is overreacting

* she really is too touchy

* she's raging

* playing the sexism card every time you run into a bad manager

* overly paranoid

* a bit of a jerk

* [has] a chip on your shoulder in re sexism

* [has] license to be as emotional as one likes

* she's frustrated

* too much drama

* emotions are out of control

> can you point to compelling evidence that it was motivated by sexism

I haven't mentioned sexism - I have only mentioned the unbelievable response to her blog post. All her other blog posts are credible - why isn't this one?
This could be better stated as "the majority of religious people do not have the same specific issues as you did". Recall that Christian Fundamentalism is a late 19th century movement, primarily in parts of the US and England, which has some unique doctrines that are rejected by the majority of Christians elsewhere in the world. Many of the rest of us are quite deep in our own religious traditions, but have no hangups whatsoever about cartoon devil logos.
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I've used ZenDesk. It's not the worst, but if things are as you say I would have thought the FreshDesk folks would have picked a different target.

One judgment I can make is that the cloudgroupsyd comment was xenophobic on its face. I wouldn't stand for that, defend it or excuse it. If there's any kind of software in this world that ranks high on the Global Village factor it's the kind with Desk in the name. The kind of attitude that permits someone to utter stuff like that publicly is toxic to this environment.

Suppose the recipient is trying something underhanded—does that make it okay?

Edit: correct an attribution.
Hm. These companies are either not being honest about being able to break encryption, or commonly used encryption techniques are not secure since they are selling solutions to monitor encrypted communications.
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No, he threw away data from people who put under £100 in a daily rate and didn't explicitly state it was an hourly rate. He threw away ambiguous data, yes it sucks data was lost but it means better "integrity" of the final results.
> This entire discussion is unbelievable - Rachel By The Bay ought to be a respected member of this community based on her blog - instead she is being attacked in a bizarre way.

She's being "attacked" purely on the merits of what she wrote, which is exactly the way any man would be treated, exactly the way in which we treat each other in the comments, and exactly the way in which you are "attacking" us.

I actually find your comment far more "unbelievable"--though it doesn't come out and say it, and though it doesn't actually address any of the criticisms you cite, it has the strong implication that any accusation of sexism, baseless and flawed as it may be, is immune to criticism, implicitly because any such criticism is itself sexist. Which is the moral and rhetorical equivalent of suspecting any person who defends a suspected witch of themselves being a witch.
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So the winner gets exactly what?
Except of cause the tremendous honor of calling the blog Seinman's Favorite New Started Business Blog in 2011.
What would there be to stop the mercenaries from simply taking over the "country" they were hired to protect? It's not like this hasn't happened before....
Oil rigs are generally closer to populated areas and tend to move very far in their life time, making them an easier asset to defend. The reason piracy has been so difficult to stop for cargo is because the ships have to move such a long distance and seas are so expansive it's difficult to defend. So I guess the question becomes: will seasteading be more like oil rigs or more like cargo ships? But even if they are more like oil rigs, if they aren't going to associate themselves with a particular nation-state, what is their defense going to be?

IMO, a natural disaster is a bigger concern for a seastead though.
There are sort of two different definitions at work here - the semantic definition which is as you describe, and then there's the technical definition which has to do with the implementation.

"Subtitles" on a DVD are basically a 4-colour (3 + transparent) bitmap which is overlaid on the video stream. But DVDs also support the closed-captioning that was originally used for TV broadcasts, which is text embedded in the video signal that's decoded and displayed by the television set itself.

Media playing software can extract subtitles from the latter system and display them in whatever font you like - but you can't do the same with the DVD-overlay subtitles, because they're just images.
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> This community is pretty small relative to the overall community of technologists, and it has some biases with respect to places, people, and concepts. I believe you are simply seeing one of those biases emerge as a side effect of the conversation.

I don't think so. I think the tech community is pretty much up its own arse and thinks it is god-like and precious.

Techies really buy into the 'we are pure', 'we only deal with evidence', 'we are the best', blah-blah. All the great myth of meritocracy and guff like that.

Anything that points out this is not true and that Joe Coder might not be perfect and it just kicks off. Oh, yeah and plain sexism as well.
Are you aware of any countries that have completely legalized drugs? I'm not saying this to prove a point, in fact I'd love to see it happen. It would be the perfect way to judge social impact.
Why, oh why did they put "select" before "from"? It makes auto complettion so much harder.
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Raising your voice to have an opinion and getting in lots of flamewars is a fine way to improve.
Kodak is pretty much both feet in grave after they sold their image sensor business, which was probably the only competitive thing they have.
Now it's interesting what Leica would do after kodak sensors are gone.
Well, maybe their business solutions(printing, kiosks) can survive.
> I often find myself frustrated at a particular thing, and tempted to write about, except that I realize I don't have good enough notes (or often any notes at all) and I don't have a precise enough memory to get enough of the background right to be able to present it well.

I would call that a situation that is best left unwritten about.
Wow, there are a lot of people on the Internet now.
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Kindly find me on Hacker News a single discussion thread which contains comments like this about a male writer of a blog post.

I signed up to this site 1557 days ago and I have never seen the like.
I do, but any site that asks me to log in using it quickly gets closed. Sorry, but I'm not interested in using facebook outside of facebook.
Fair point, and the magnitude of this feat was not lost on me. I was just speaking in general, we need a better metric for one-linerness than s/\n//g.
There is such a thing as a good idea, it's just not very defensible, because once it appears to be working well as a business, the copycats come out of the woodwork.
I'm sure it detects all manner of organic and explosive material, like fuel in fuel tanks, and brake fluid and sump oil, and shopping from the supermarket.

Of course you should be able to shield yourself from the harmful effects of the X-rays by sitting behind a thin wall of metal, for example the metal making up your car's body....

Why don't I believe a word of this.
All I want to know is how this got to be the top story on HackerNews. Its a blatant PR grab on one side, and borderline infantile on the other.

Yuck on both counts.
>Who cares if their pricing is a rip off

yea, I read it that way at first but I don't think that is what they are saying. "Knockoff" is probably what they meant.
I think people probably want you to cite some sources for what you're saying. Because pretty much every article I've read says that Android has a significantly larger market share:

http://articles.businessinsider.com/2011-11-15/tech/30400455...
I was with them up until the quote at the end. At best, it's disputed[1]. It's strange how one small oversight took the wind of the entire argument's sail (so to speak).

[1] http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Mohandas_Karamchand_Gandhi#Disp...
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Let's just stop here. We're not approaching common ground or any kind of mutual understanding.

I appreciate the discussion, but it isn't going anywhere any more. Cheers.
If you were somehow laboring under an ideology that told you that certain criticisms, like "too emotional", were in fact artifacts of oppression against some identity-politics-slice-of-humanity you belong to, you would probably discount those criticisms and hence never really know if or when you were too emotional. If you were indeed too emotional and people called you out on it, you could just dismiss the criticism as oppression rather than addressing it as serious criticism.
Just to point out this was posted to HN by Girish Mathrubootham himself (the Founder/CEO of FreshDesk).

It's worthy of debate, but we'll all feeding this PR stunt (and if some people feel Girish is a troll, then you're feeding a troll too).

And usually it's considered 'poor form' to submit your own stuff to HN.
Javascript is turing-complete. That's a /lot/ of power and that means that security-conscious users (especially given the proliferation of more-powerful JS apis allowing the possibility for exploits in file, GPU, etc. access, along with JIT-enabled exploits as opposed to the old simple interpreting) will have it turned off whenever possible.

Using CSS for non-turing-complete interactions which are limited in their computational ability to a simple automaton means that CSS can be trusted much more than JS, and that there are stricter guarantees on performance. It's also semantically cleaner when used for things like visual effects on windows, because even if CSS doesn't load, the markup representing the menu will be intact. JS systems have the ability to load markup asynchronously or generate it from other data in the page and destroy all notion of graceful degradation.
I don't know that 1-2 years experience is that big a deal. I would probably go with the kid...
No. I used to be, though.
Ahh. Good point. Maybe I'll give that a whirl.
This kind of stuff, especially Twitter-spamming, really rubs me the wrong way. Some people call it hustle, but I just think it's dirty. I'm much less likely to sign up for FreshDesk in the future if it comes across my desk now.
It's sexism. Sexists don't like being called "sexists" because in today's ethical climate, that label is disapproved. Actually being a sexist, however, is not. So they use lightly-coded language like drama, emotional, touchy, frustrated, paranoid and the sexism card. Thus, other sexists can applaud them without admitting to sexism. And on places like Hacker News, sexists can band together to defend themselves against accusations of sexism, using the downvote button to make opponents give up in disgust, leaving them to be sexists together and in mutual acknowledgement that they're not really sexist at all.
Ah, but you are conflating UI performance with something else. My point is, that UI performance is not an issue (at least hasn't been for a while). Other things, like high quality apps, ubiquitous docking stations in cars/hotels/..., on the other hand are quite important. That is, for vast majority of users, geeks who type 40+ words/minute on miniature screens don't count.
I can just see with it's partnership with Microsoft this could now become a game changer. With the positive news on the WP7 front.
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You should have seen Steve Blank relate his tale with a smile when his Stanford Lean Startup students spammed the faculty in order to achieve some traction. Twitter spamming isn't a business model, but there is one stage of a startup's life when you have to do things that any self respecting person is reluctant to do, but for the survival of the company. Even Balsamiq did that.

Over at Mixergy, about a year ago, the founder of a BabySitter service talked about how she sneaked into university campuses to post advertisements, all the time humming the "mission impossible" tune to keep her in the right mental frame.
It's called Lisp. I hate to be Yet Another Hacker News Lisp Punditparrot, but it's true.

For example, take a look at how easy it is to implement BrainF inside Racket, a lisp focused on language experimentation. http://hashcollision.org/brainfudge/ I bet you could walk through these steps in maybe half an hour with little to no prior experience.
>what is their defense going to be?

A few 3" naval guns should handle any pirate incursion. It wouldn't really cost very much to arm a seastead enough to make it a very costly target for non-governmental attackers.

I agree though that they have much bigger issues than pirates.
Say "jeeze", as in "jango".
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The "self governing city" concept you are talking about is called "Charter Cities", it is quite interesting and one can find more information about it at:

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If you want to call it a PR campaign that is fine. However, lets not forget that this campaign was made possible by the statements and responses from ZenDesk and an associate.
Sadly, there is a flaw in your argument in that you are not (I presume) a law enforcement officer/similar.

Law enforcement, DOD and other similar agencies are always going to have rights that normal citizens don't have.

Whether they should have the right to bombard you with ionizing radiation with your knowledge or permission is a good question, but you can't argue that it is wrong because ordinary citizens can't do this legally.
Having the "fork me" button above the scrollbar (at least in Chrome on Windows) looks pretty ugly.
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Considering the kind of boats pirates are likely to possess a seastead militia could likely provide equivalent localized protection. Naval vessels are expensive b/c of the scale of battle they are fighting.

Less than a millions dollars or so of equipment and a few dozen militia would be enough to repel any pirate incursion to date. Pirates are in it for the money, they aren't going to be willing to accept large casualties.
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Carrier iQ might have something to say about that.

I agree though, this is great publicity for FreshDesk. May the best service win.
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In this case "one line" doesn't mean much. You could have a 1mb file in one line. Nowadays a "line" is between 80-140 characters.
Last time I checked, having a feature list where you compare your product with theirs, complete with little green ticks and all, it probably means your software is playing in the same space as theirs. That's the real essence of the "rip off" portion of the accusation.

Copying your competitors features... well, that happens a lot. Copying their name and their features, and then acting surprised when people call you on it? That's pretty much textbook douchebaggery.

But the copying doesn't stop there, because they even copied the pricing structure!

And then they act all upset when they get accused of copying.

As for the racially inflamatory remarks... go check the last big discussion on hacker news about the state of the Indian education system. The Indians themselves say that cheating is blatant and pervasive. So while that kind of strawman argument doesn't do much for the intellectual quality of the argument.... you shouldn't complain about being stereotyped if what you are doing conforms exactly to the stereotype.

In other words, if the shoe fits, wear it. If not, then throw it.
Sounds like Stockholm syndrome.
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