skysight-inc/HackerNews huggingface dataset:
Speed alone isn't what matters here - latency and jitter are more important. A 100Mbps speed test over 30 seconds is meaningless.

I've played multiplayer FPS games on a home-made setup with an AWS VM with GPU and Steam streaming (using a VPN to make both machines appear to be on the same LAN so Steam streaming would work).

This worked well, but only because it was on an enterprise-grade leased line with consistent 1ms latency to the AWS datacenter, and all wired (good wireless gear might've worked too, but forget about trying that on garbage consumer-grade hardware like your typical router or mesh Wi-Fi setup).

Is it technically possible? Yes and it works well under optimal conditions.

Is it possible for the average user who doesn't have good equipment nor the budget for it? No chance - it's a recipe for disaster. Those who do have the budget are better served by just buying a gaming machine and running the games locally.

Games streaming can be a value-add to a good ISP (such as Google Fiber) whose network actually permits this, but don't expect it to work on the majority of residential connections. The vast majority of them suck (whether because of the ISP's network or the customer-premises equipment), people don't know they suck and have no easy tools to test that, so they'll end up blaming the game streaming provider when it inevitably doesn't live up to expectations.

Until good networking setups become commonplace, game streaming will remain limited to a very small niche that have serious networking setups but for some reason don’t have a local gaming machine.
This situation is a bit confusing. From your summary, it sounds like you have an idea and product you are building and you need some help with sales. It sounds like you only have a prototype at this stage. It feels very early to me to join an existing company with a prototype just for their sales consulting. Is there a reason that you won't hire this company as a freelancer first and then maybe consider a partnership if it works out?

What does this other company do? Is it just sales consulting? Or do they have a product?
I’ll disagree on that. An extra 10ms is not perceptible in 99% (99.9%?) of cases.

Consider that a good gaming monitor has input lag of ~3ms, a TV in game mode has input lag of ~12ms, and in regular mode the input lag is >100ms.

I would argue that our brain is just really good at correcting for minuscule timings like that, and less than 1% of the population could even tell the difference between 20ms and 30ms lag.

I’ve used Game Pass Ultimate to stream hundreds of games with 80ms ping, and I can attest that you adapt very quickly. Even first person shooters were easily playable. The only ones that gave me trouble were Forza and GRID, both very fast paced racing games.

But let’s face it: there are many people who are happy to stream Civ, XCOM, and even Elder Scrolls, where input lag isn’t as much of an issue.
Perhaps, but I wonder if that class of gamers you're talking about is the target/actual audience for Stadia. The folks I knew who had/used Stadia were a lot more casual and non-traditional gamers, since why would you pay for an online streaming game service when you already own consoles or a robust PC?

It's not like Google has a good rep in that community already, given how much pretty much everyone on Youtube, and especially in its gaming community, complains about YT constantly. There's a reason most gaming folks are on Twitch more than Youtube and have to be bribed massively to move over to YT.
Top level players don't tend to do better on these than slightly above average, because reaction time is something you train for a specific task.
It was an interesting story. In my opinion, what is important to consider in developing different apps in the e-commerce industry is how the new app can help the users of the previous one. In this way, the growth of the app will be much faster.
10ms is completely fine for any game you can possibly think of. Including competitive FPS e-sports. We are not superhumans and your monitor alone probably adds more lag than that.

What's not acceptable is jitter. If it's a constant 10ms delay, it's easy to compensate - for both humans and machines. That's even more so if everyone is subject to a similar delay.

If latency is constantly changing, that's where it can become unacceptable. Your machine better be on a wired network. If it's on wifi, this whole point is moot.
Not surprised, but still rather frustrated. We literally just signed a deal to bring Arctic Awakening to Stadia in the last few weeks, and I know a number of other devs had done the same. They never even gave it a chance. What did they expect, to take over the gaming market in a few short years with hardly any content?
How much of Stadia tech/innovations will we see in ongoing/future Google products? There was a lot of hype about how Stadia's (potential) input-lag-reduction tech, but how successful did that end up being?
At first, I was "of course!"

Then, I noticed it said "noise."

In all seriousness, I like to listen to "ambient techno," which can often be much like brown noise, during my morning walks.
There is a fairly secure, "graceful", method but I'm wary of amplifying it for obvious reasons.
Are you just unaware of the amount of radiation in normal coal dust and how much of it just ends up pumped into the air like it's nothing?
To the absdolute shock of... nobody.
>It never had any traction at any point in its history.

B/c it was from google - the company the launches stuff and stops carrying afterwards... and b/c it was marred with promises like "negative latency". But mostly it required to purchase the games on their platform, requesting a self-lock in.
I am more entertained by this than I should be. Back when Stadia launched I was in a Reddit thread saying that the blatant double-dip business model of subscriptions + purchase stunk and that I had no faith in Google to not shut this storefront down shortly. I was immediately roasted by a flock of obvious astroturfers telling me that this was an absolutely serious move by Google to dominate the console games market and that the executive in charge was a big shot games industry person who was going to made this an unstoppable product. The paid astroturfing felt very weird coming from Google.

Then they started locking up game publishers into exclusive deals and getting games removed from other streaming services, a definite dick move. It was obvious that this special executive in charge was pretty consumer unfriendly.

Now this service is being shut down with little notice and while it’s great that they are refunding the purchases, there’s also the matter of the Stadia Pro claimed games that were part of the subscription benefits but will be lost. Along with no clear plan for taking out save data, this is a real FU to anyone who believed those astroturfers and went all in on the stadia console.

The icing on the cake is this statement that it didn’t “gain the traction with users that we expected.” Ha! This business model was dead on arrival. The competition was innovating while Stadia stood still. And instead of giving an inch off the starting line, they took their toys and went home. This is one of the most petulantly childish things I have ever seen from them.

This company is a bloated rotting carcass. The regulators should chop it up and feed it to the seagulls.
Yes, you can download them through Google Takeout.

https://9to5google.com/2021/02/02/how-to-export-download-gam...
ORM is a great way to scale yourself.
Shutting down most product lines doesn’t mean said product is rendered unusable.

It does mean any further support is non-existent. With PaaS and SaaS, this implicit contract between buyer and seller no longer holds.
Video: Foresight Institute Meetup
I think it stems for their beginning. The Google search page was innovative, in showing that you didn't need to be flashy, just good at what you do. The same for Gmail, which was an awesome product and completely changed how people use email. Even the original Google ads where viewed extremely favorable, as it showed that you could make money on ads, without them being obnoxious.

Google was, for a long time, viewed as the answer to everything that was wrong with search, emails, ads, office work and much more. Rather than changing the world, Google adopted all the things we had hoped they'd save us from, just so they could make more money.

That being said, I just ignore anything coming from Google these days. The only two Google products I use are Google Maps and YouTube. Oh, three maybe as I do like Go.
There must be several thousands of them!
Well, on the other hand, you will have to distribute that revocation list somehow, what does add some complexity to your code.

If you are already distributing lists around your application servers (that impacts the format and top performance of the redis cache), then yes, it's quite simple.
Meta does cool things. But knowing that these cool things will be controlled by Meta is not a cause for celebration.
But if it wasn't that much money, then it wasn't that many people who would be upset about not getting a refund, which for a company with the cashflow that Google has feels like not worth not pissing off.
I have to disagree...

Personally I don't think it IS just a matter of time before nukes are used. Putin is not a nice guy, but he isn't a comic book villain. Plus this is a ground war, so any nuke ruins the land they're fighting over and kills as many of their own troops (who aren't exactly equipped for basic fighting, let alone fallout)

Russia has enough nukes (almost 6000, and the ability to deliver them) to annihilate any other country, and put the whole planet into nuclear winter. That makes them a super power, even if they cannot win a ground war with Ukraine. For reference, India only has 160

https://www.statista.com/statistics/264435/number-of-nuclear...

Also, given it's history of annexing it's neighbours and conflicts with China and Pakistan (both also nuclear states) India is a very poor candidate for Security Council membership (at least as a "better" substitute for Russia).
It'd be unethical not to offer them the fight. That would mean they would continue to starve. If I had the choice between fighting and starving I'd probably choose fight, and if a do gooder came into the ring as it was about to begin and said "no no no, this is unethical" I'd be pissed because their actions are condemning me to starve.
My guess is that companies adopting cloud services are companies who consider technology a strategic investment and would likely be hiring more IT staff regardless of the migration. Companies that aren't interested in spending more on IT are also probably not going to do a cloud migration.
I think OP meant attacking Bitcoin in the disparaging way that HN commenters do as opposed to actually attacking the Bitcoin blockchain :).
I've only played with Lua a bit in Pico-8. At first I hated it, but I've grown a bit of a begrudging love for it.

The language is absurdly flexible, and that's a good and bad thing, but I'd say the language is, overall, more good than bad.
From a cynical ex-Google employee, this would have translated to “Stadia still has more promotions to squeeze out”. Today’s message signals that it’s done its squeezing, permanently.
I'm afraid explaining this to you again is just a waste of time.
You replied to a post saying "this is news direct from Google" with the comment

> to highlight that we generally shouldn't put much trust into Google

It seemed like a logical conclusion. Given your argument now, I assume you simply meant "don't trust anything they say" (which would include their announcement today) but it's not exactly the spirit of what you mean. Your initial intent was not clear (in my opinion.)
For those of you who haven't tried it, it is the real deal. I've tried Xbox live, playstation streaming, etc. and Stadia's performance blows every single one out of the water. Even on 4g, performance is unbelievable.

You don't even need hardware or any account. You can play destiny for free.

It saddens me that this is going away but like most people, I'm not surprised.

I just hope that the technology doesn't go to waste.
How is GeForce Now with Steam? I have a Steam link but find it to be a pain in the rear. It's also difficult / clumsy to use for non Steam games. Does GeForce Now solve this or is it just ... different?
For the past few months I am trying out Performance Lab's NutriGenesis Multi and Prebiotic products (https://performancelab.com/) for a mix of all micros but I will probably switch it down to some local multi-vitamin solution with a separate 4000 IU / 100 mcg vitamin D supplements that you can get locally (I live in Stockholm, Sweden).

I would, however, recommend improving your diet before loading yourself up with too many supplements. Just add various vegetables and you likely won't need to care about things like zinc, magnesium, iron and few more. I think vitamin D was one of the few micros you usually want to supplement as it's hard to get it high naturally. I am sure HN has some dieticians that know more.
> every company is going to shut down products

There's typically a fight, though.
> Were those efforts funded by Google?

Yes[1]. One clue (among hundreds of others) that Stadia was already dead months ago was when the ports dried up, indicating that the project had lost internal funding.

[1] https://gamerant.com/google-spent-millions-stadia-ports/
In the current zeitgeist it was a poor one.

Blatant lies are destroying nations.
You just need a phone and network that uses it.

https://www.t-mobile.com/news/un-carrier/t-mobile-takes-cove...
That's actually one of my jobs, I'm a liaison-PM between a Canadian company and developers situated in Nepal, Egypt, etc.

I'm in Uruguay so my timezone works out for all involved.
> . No American English speaker in his or her right mind pronounces these words as though there's a "hard" t in them.

> This is one of the main things you should do if you're trying to sound like the British upper crust: aspirate your t's.

Oddly enough, I do this and I'm an American English speaker. This might be the reason people say I sound kind of pretentious if I'm not faking a regional accent.

> NPR is a hotbed of inconsistent nonflapping.

One thing I've noticed as a long-time NPR listener is that NPR is allowing and/or encouraging their normal reporters to use their native accents. In the past, this, I think, was more of a privilege granted to big names (Car Talk, Diane Rehm). But now a lot of reporter sound on air like they probably do IRL.
1. Gamers are particularly vindictive

2. Highest probability of any product shutdown of this exploding "don't even bother, Google will just shut it down in a few years" into broad public consciousness

3. It's an enormous market and they know they'll want to try again

4. Maybe it's relatively not that much money. I would be surprised if I knew more than one or two people who'd ever even heard of Stadia
Like... maybe? Why does it have to be a lie instead of incompetence? They may have totally thought that back then, then changed their mind?
>> Keep it mind that you cannot use github as free host for anything.

I found Github to be great for a static personal page. I found it notoriously buggy once attaching a domain. I've yet to find a good run-down of how to consistently host static sites with domains + ssl on Github.
It helps that Apple is aware of this work and, while they aren't contributing, they're not actively hindering it either.
I was a user from the beginning.

For the casual gamer, cloud gaming is perfect - no large downloads, play from your TV or your PC or your iPad/phone when you have 30 minutes free and don't want to buy/build/maintain a PC or Console.

That said, I haven't played in around a year. The games catalog was too limited and they never got any of the AAA games (Call of Duty, EA games etc)
Google only knows how to do one business. Ads. Any Google product that isn't ad-supported dies, with very few exceptions.

Note that Google Cloud Services lose money. "Google Cloud is now approaching a $16 billion annual revenue run rate, but Google's ad business is likely to subsidize it for the foreseeable future."[1] AWS makes money in that business, but Google does not.

So, don't depend on Google Cloud for anything critical. Only a few months ago, Google was saying they were not going to shut down Stadia. So, any PR statement about Cloud not shutting down can't be believed. Stadia, after all, was a cloud service.
If I remember correctly, they do have Bluetooth hardware inside them but I think it might only be used for pairing. Not sure if someone could hack it to work via Bluetooth as well.

Of course, USB remains an option.

EDIT: Yup, official Google Store specs list "Bluetooth" and "Bluetooth Low Energy (BLE) 4.2".
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> The solution is not obvious,

The problem of relying on Russia for energy was obvious. There isn't a singular "the solution" because there were many possible solutions, nuclear energy being just one. In addition to investing in wind/solar, there are other solutions besides nuclear. Particularly, fracing and coal mining. Both of these are unpopular for obvious reasons (which is the reason everybody talks about nuclear instead), but I think both are better than the political autonomy of an entire subcontinent being threatened by a belligerent foe.
Just curious what you mean by independent power feed. If you mean fed by two separate power plants, you are right, but I don’t see how that would be possible in any country.

My next work assignment literally starting in a week is building a high voltage substation for a data center(customer is well known on HN) so that’s why I’m curious
It's not out of character. They did exactly the same thing for "Google Offers," the old Groupon competitor from a decade ago. They refunded ALL of the purchased deals, even the ones that had been redeemed.
I think ideology. "Green movement"
I don’t see any reason that fair use limits or blocking interactions that behave like attacks should be incompatible with allowing and not penalising the use of third party clients.
Can't eat bitcoin.
I know its low effort, but would an anti-homomorphic encryptionist be regarded homophobic?
Elon Musk Got Caught Deleting Messages
They have bluetooth and wi-fi hardware but currently locked and can't be used outside of Stadia. Wired USB works as a normal controller though.
it’s just not at all worth that much money to put yourself through this awful torture. how long will $50k last you in the US? it’s ridiculous. the person who voiced the “AI” was probably paid more
What do you both think of "The Calculus of Computation" by Bradley and Manna?

https://link.springer.com/book/10.1007/978-3-540-74113-8

Slides for the book are here, https://web.stanford.edu/class/cs156/slides/Technion/
And this behavior is exactly why I didn’t buy Stadia in the first place. One more entry in the Google graveyard.
If you go back to before people had hard drives in their home computers, they did in fact produce quiet, high-pitched sounds depending on what the CPU was doing.

You could tell when the CPU was busy and to some extent, what it was working on.
++x and x++ just seem so unnecessary. Two extra operators for a very specific case, in which they either safe one character verses x+=1 or mix different mutations into the same line. Iterating a list by incrementing an index doesn't even come up that often if your language supports iterators well.

Edit: Just checked, the project I just had open has 7 instances of +=1 in 5k loc and none of them would have been improved by ++
It can also be used as a really perverse way of consuming books, or read twitter, just saying.
If science grows exponentially (rather than linearly or sublinearly), you're screwed.

I don't think the cloud is expensive compared to supercomputing- so long as you consider TCO and you're doing proper deal negotiation. I would much rather than an evergreen cluster in the cloud with fast interconnect that I turn on for myself and shutdown when I'm done, than share some resource and try to keep utilization high.
Something evasive in the vein of "Stadia represents a significant investment and Google has not announced any plans to scale back Stadia. We can't comment on rumours and speculation."
But can s/he get ALL the endings in time? I dunno... ;-)
Using `fn main() -> Result<(), Box<dyn Error>>` isn't necessarily unstylistic, the ability is there for a reason, but it is not great for CLI tools: it prints the `Debug` output of the error, which in many occasions is great for a developer to figure out what went wrong, but from subpar to terrible for end-users. The main benefit of having main return a `Result` is being able to write `?` and be done with it. A tool meant to be used by others like ripgrep? You better use a more explicit mechanism to ensure good output for wording, context and formatting.
I (and the person who wrote that) made no such assumption. A client side proxy is still a proxy. That’s why, for example, Charles Proxy is a proxy.
As someone who is yet to have the chance to use Lua but heard about it a lot, I'm very happy to read this article. It's so useful to hear how a programming language should be used. Understanding the philosophy behind the language and what are the use cases for it are super helpful when you want to select the right language for the job.

Unfortunately it is so common today to skip these important details when describing a language. Even the official lua.org website doesn't include the "toolkit" description, and puts the focus on the language's traits, which are only half helpful.

Thank you so much for the article!
They will likely keep some coal plants online longer than was originally planned, so that is definitely a thing. They even restarted some plants to reduce their current dependency on Russian gas.
Yeah, I tried Flutter for a project and there was a lot to like about it. But it's very much a Google project. On the one hand, that's great, as they've been able to do a lot of interesting stuff. But Google is just so fickle that I'd hate to bet that they'll keep going with it.
Not free at all. You invest your personal capital (trust) into their products. Then it'll be degraded and shut down just like that.
Crisis pay cut: Consumers prefer firms that prioritize paying employees over CEO
I don't know about that. I'm off form and this was my third try after going wired.

https://imgur.com/a/8inHYSf
I think this is right for games that are ported to streaming from a traditional PC or console release, but presumably if some studio cared, they could design games with streaming in mind. As an extreme example, imagine the original NES Final Fantasy, or the SNES Monopoly on Stadia: with mainly turn-based interaction, they would be basically indistinguishable from playing locally.
I heard a story about this happening at an Indian subsidiary of an American company, the person interviewed by the US manager was not the person that actually took the role ! It was discovered a few months in as the quality was not as expected (the person was actually a developer but not nearly as good as the one that was interviewed, he hired the interviewed person to pass the interview).
The Appeal of Small Computers
> An octopus is very closely related to you, far more so than any conceivable space aliens - and yet we have no idea what the fuck is going on in there.

If octopuses really are so closely related, why can't I see any sort of large structures or societies or vehicles or weapons created by them? They're a plateau'd species leeching off the planet barely surviving in the balance of nature, like pretty much every species except humans.