skysight-inc/HackerNews huggingface dataset:
This is probably a worst case scenario for Cloudflare here. I'm generally in favor of them and I agree with their abuse policy they posted the other day.

But now twice Cloudflare has posted they won't moderate content, and then two days later done... exactly that while posting that they don't like doing it.

For folks concerned about abusive and harmful internet behavior, Prince has made it clear he doesn't feel responsible to take action and will avoid doing so as much as possible. And for folks concerned about free speech and censorship, Prince has made it clear he can be pushed around with enough pressure (regardless what the post says, it's how it will be read).

Cloudflare could've arguably taken either position with some level of righteousness, but by essentially caving to both, he proves himself to neither.
It’s a bit more complicated, as I’ve tried to understand and explain. This is a case of the worst people on the Internet fighting. Trans streamers who send sketchy hormones to underage kids behind parents’ backs vs. versus the very worst trolls from 4chan and 8chan. Doxing and SWATing has been practiced by both sides. The owner of KF and his mom have been doxed; two mentally unwell trans women with weapons showed up on his doorstep. Severe mental illness has contributed to suicides which one side wants to blame on the other, rightly or wrongly. I don’t fully understand the history, but what I’ve seen of the Keffals story has been alarming.

The point I’ve been trying to make is that KF as a platform at least has strong policies against offline harassment, and Keffals (their current nemesis) has an extensive documented history of child-endangering behavior, such as hooking minors up with life-altering drugs without involving parents or doctors. If KF users were really behind these SWATings in an organized way, I’m not sad to see the site gone. I am however worried that the point about Keffals will be lost, and that this was in some sense the purpose of the exercise. What this person was up to on their drug distribution website and Discord full of sexualized minors is monstrous.

All the data that was dug up on Keffals has been archived. I guess it’s up to real journalists to take that ball from here, if any will.
If someone self-appoints themselves as a “core audience” and then complain when the creative output doesn’t meet their self-appointed in-group demands, they are not fans, they are over-entitled whingers.
Yes it is. Freedom of speech is the principle of being able to express your ideas and opinions. And hate speech is just that.

Obviously no country has absolute freedom of speech, but for example the First Amendment has no hate speech exemptions.
The only reason someone would advocate to turn off ddos protection for a site, is so someone can perform terroristic acts against the site and ddos it until it goes down.

How about it - you tell me. What reason would so many people, maybe in this thread chain, argue so strongly for a company to revoke its ddos protection of a website they dont like. Its weird right?
Repeating lies doesn't make lies true.

Yes, KF hosted videos of the Christchurch shooting, as well as many others. That's unrelated to your assertion the site, which is of many thousands of people, are "implicated in several deaths". It is not. Nor is it a participant in swattings.

If there were a shred of credible evidence of those things, then you should be communicating with the FBI or any law enforcement agency you're able to engage with.

I hope KF's owner sues the absolute crap out of the media outlets and any personal not hiding behind a nym for defamation, as I think this level of speech has risen to it.
I think I agree with OP’s premise that driving “fraud” to “zero” is kind of a fool’s errand: some people, like Bender from Futurama, “just love crime, just love stealin’ things…da dah da”.

But for me at least, it grates more than a little whenever Self-Assured Tech Person With Logic and Statistics In Hand assures you, dear reader, that if you actually crunched the numbers instead of gobbling up pablum from the Washington Post like a lemming, would in fact realize the Free Enterprise Is Going Just Great.

The World Economic Forum has sufficient data to do a plausible “Social Mobility Index” on 82/195 UN-recognized sovereign states: and its just one of many data points that Capitalism Muzzled by Social Democracy is in fact what you want if “people having a shot at doing better than their parents in large numbers” is a priority.

I’m old enough to have watched the effects of the Operational Research PhD’s at Megacorp “optimizing” every angstrom of human joy and dignity out of living in a Free Enterprise Zone. You can’t do anything these days that involves commerce without bumping into this. Friendly dare for US readers: try invalidating a credit card number in a way that stops every recurring auto-pay that has barnacled itself onto your economic ship is forced to get you to re-auth it. Good luck.

So while driving “fraud” to “zero” might be silly, we can almost surely take a big whack out of it by making a salutary example or 1000 of companies that have “optimized” the right amount of paying OSHA fines rather than allowing bathroom breaks to “all of them”, or “optimized” the right amount of cheap and fast municipal fiber to “zero”, or the right amount of employees to force just below the “gets benefits” line to “whatever the maximum is”.

I worked in butcher shops and call centers and retail in the Clinton Administration, and boy were they after you for every dime. Having been an over-privileged techie for the last decade or two I’ve personally been largely insulated from how much worse it’s gotten since then, but the kids I grew up with for the most part haven’t, and it’s a little hard to regard the significant fraction of them with some “grey at best” side hustle as doing anything other than scamming the scammers who have Corporate Backing.
Survey finds young people follow news, but without much joy
What ecological destruction? There is more plant life by volume and leaf area on the planet now today than whenever you were born. CO2 is plant food. That's what carbohydrates are made of, H20+CO2. Warmth is generally far better for plants than freezing cold temperatures. There is no evidence of widespread ecological destruction from CO2.

The argument has always been that warming would become some runaway greenhouse effect (note, greenhouses are good for plant growth) but that has not born out.

It's 2022, crop yield is at all time human history highs right now. As shown in the satellite record, the leaf area index for plants is up 25-50% over the last couple decades across most land on Earth. See for yourself, the dark green areas are a whopping 50% increase: https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/2016/carbon-dioxide-fer...

That means literally the opposite of what you think is happening. Anything that is good for the base layer of the food chain is generally good for all living things.

We do not have millions of deaths from CO2. In fact, there are billions and billions of lives that would have never existed were it not for the miracle of modern day infrastructure and transportation systems, fertilizer made from mining minerals, farming equipment that enables massive efficiency, etc and that's all been powered by fossil fuels. Basically the whole industrial revolution that ultimately ended slavery and enabled humans to be the most prosperous they've ever been on a massive scale.
Why do you say the forum itself is "dedicated" to those things?

How "hosting" someone posted makes them responsible considering section 230 and the 1st A?
Calls for acts of violence already hasn’t been legal. Hate speech is outside of that scope, otherwise we wouldn’t have another term for that (all calls for violence could be hate speech, but not all hate speech is calls for violence)

Therefore what is hate speech? Are words violence in and of themselves?
Are you arguing against their quantified observed data that’s gone through animal and human trials based on your metaphor of a microprocessor? That’s sort of remarkably brazen.
It doesn't currently, but you are correct that the goal is to maintain feature parity with the BEAM (with explicit caveats to that, namely hot code loading). There actually is support for NIFs, just not via the erl_nif interface that NIFs use today, support for that will arrive eventually.
Spreading rumors about them and interacting with friends, family, and known associates is fair game. Also posting their public contact information is also fair game.
People should try to reconcile the facts that those outrageously high FAANG salaries occurs because of

1) Near monopoly in that sector
2) Excessive surveillance and tracking users
3) Increasing inequality between haves and have nots.

And non-FAANG type IT worker are also paid relatively high at the cost of other workers living perilous lives.

So unless Europeans really start cherishing these "values". They are not gonna get US level salaries. The way I see quite a lot non-US / European people just like high salaries but never want to think where it really come from.

All this talk about Europe does not respect/appreciate / values Software engineers sounds more and more like coded way to say We, software people, deserve much higher salaries at the cost of everyone else.
To be fair, there is the entire concept of cancel culture which basically is all about organizing to harass people and is basically supported by every large platform.
>Technically that’s literally how it works.

No it is not. Kiwifarms backend server isn't on cloudflare's network. When the backend server sends you some bits it hands them off to cloudflare since cloudflare is the reverse proxy ddos protection. In this case cloudflare is acting as a transit provider instead of directly hosting the backend server.

>Legally? Do you have evidence to support that theory?

Look up safe harbor laws in relation to ISPs. They have very broad legal protection when it comes to situations like this.
The article says the research was based on the Gough Map. Just look at this thing. Quite impressive.

http://www.geog.port.ac.uk/webmap/thelakes/large/ggh1.jpg
Sounds great - if a website is hosting content that is illegal, then there are laws that can be enforced by the government.

The government, in the united states at least, cannot restrict freedom of speech. Its kind of a big deal. Hoping that corporations revoke their ddos protection so that terrorists can ddos them down is laughable. "I know the government can't do it, but ... just walk away wink wink and I am sure the problem will be fixed wink wink".

Come on.
Here are a few links. This is the key one. The units with this problem are obsolete and Microsemi has done very little to publicize this. This means you have a ticking time bomb if you thought everything was good because you got through the 2019 rollover. There are a few select models where a return-to-factory firmware update can help you dodge the problem, but it is probably too late to get something turned around now if this is the first you have heard of it. If all you need is a 10 MHz or 1PPS reference, those bits will continue to function. If you need it for NTP, you've got a problem.

https://sync.empowerednetworks.com/keep-your-ntp-server-curr...

Another link stating "But other GPS receiver manufacturers set a delayed date for the rollover date to occur on – September 18th, 2022". "Other" in this case = Symmetricom / Microsemi.

https://www.orolia.com/will-your-network-time-servers-be-aff...
> and also just ban nazi sites, troll farms, etc.

Question: How many nazi sites, troll farms, etc, is Cloudflare still providing services to? I bet you the answer is not zero.

We can debate the merits of a consistently applied policy of "we won't provide our services to nazis/racists/trolls/etc" – but it doesn't appear that is Cloudflare's actual policy.

It appears their actual policy is "we will happily provide services to anybody, nazis/racists/trolls/etc included – until the social media heat gets too hot for us to handle, at which point we will drop the individual site which is the target of that controversy, but continue offering our services to all the other sites like it"
When/where was it disproven that Near died?
Doxxing, yes. But any discussion about harassing people will get you banned.
I actually used this accidentally to my advantage on Insta. I accidentally clicked on a fashion ad and now EVERY ad is fashion-something, which is the last thing I would ever care about.

Now I can easily spot any ad instantly because Insta is too stupid to realize NOTHING else I interact with has to do with fashion but because of that one time a year ago, they keep trying and I can quickly skip it.
That's quite the straw man.

It's possible to be thoughtful and introspective, and try to learn about the things you don't know, but still fail to learn literally everything. We're only human.
Is declining to participate by re-transmitting such speech even censorship? You can't force a company to take you as a customer, being a shit head isn't a protected class.
My understanding was they were able to configure a simple page that was hosted by Cloudflare that was shown whenever the origin servers were not accessible. They put a joke about trans suicides on it.

Once that joke was pointed out on Twitter, it quickly disappeared. Probably because it was incredibly obviously against Cloudflare‘s policies and Cloudflare was the one hosting it.
1st gen Huyndai Cretas on anything but the highest trim levels are just that.
Can you give an example of a thought or type of thought that is not contained within the set of all computations?
Exactly, Atlantis is in Tunisia: https://medcraveonline.com/IJH/is-atlantis-related-to-the-gr...
>Calls for acts of violence already hasn’t been legal.

Pretty sure calls for acts of violence is legal in the United States unless that call for violence is intended to produce an imminent lawless action.
I think The Expanse is a good modern example of perfectly-executed diversity. I never felt like I was being beat over the head with racial quotas in that show, either directly in the show's dialogue, or in the mainstream marketing media (which I don't really consume anyway).
“Moderators of free speech” - an interesting idea.
What are we asking when we ask why? (2016)
I suggest you look into safe harbor laws when it comes to ISPs. They have very broad protection from the consequences of their users' actions.
The government shouldn't do anything about hate speech. Full stop.

Edit: I’d love a definition of hate speech from someone who downvoted me.
That is a law enforcement warrant matter--not a cloudflare policing matter.
I agree with you, we also see the same WRT communists.

Murderous antiquated ideologies should be eradicated from the modern world.
>We are also not taking this action directly because of the pressure campaign.

Haven't been following this story, but it seems they haven't considered that whatever antagonists the site has could have posted the putatively objectionable content there themselves, due to the website's nature as a forum for user-generated content. Furthermore, the article throughout seems to suffer from the "anthropomorphic fallacy", in failing to acknowledge that it is speaking about a web service rather than person, and falsely attributing to it emotions and intentions.
Ask HN: How to find interesting products to build?
Problem:
How to find interesting products/solutions/tools to build?

Things tried:

* Followed HN, Indiehackers, etc., to keep me up-to-date and to look for some ideas

* Browsed profiles and things people are doing on YC co-founder matching.

* Typical GitHub scan on the domains I love to work.

Why didn't you get one yet?

* Cold-start issue, especially after being out of touch with the dev

* Majority of the ideas already exist, and just another alternative didn't excite me.

My background:

* Got burnt out, quitted the job, completed a few months vacation (attempting to do this full time)

* Used to be 100% hands-on person, top of the class, fanciest job, etc.

Motivation:

* Want to revive my love for building new things again.

* Quite impressed with the intersection of build-in public and open-core models.
I just got approved in a MSc program and I'm already getting upset with the group I joined, they think they'all sooo important. I have an industry job as well and if it gets worse I'll just tell 'em to fuckoff.
By that logic, the ISP's host the internet
> de-shrine free speech above all else or entrench hatred

False dichotomy. We have always punished some speech (e.g. fraud) while sanctifying others (political speech).
> Well then the simple answer is to stop giving billions to subsidize a handful of electric cars for rich people and build a transit system instead.

It's simple in that it's easy to say. Stopping giving billions of dollars would also be easy to do. I have no idea how easy (re-)building a rail transit system would be, but I expect pretty hard.

But the problem is that the actual doing of the task, no matter how difficult it is, is the easiest part by far; the hard part is convincing people to do it. Even as a huge fan of rail, if I had the ability to make people drop convictions as firmly held as Americans' that cars are and must always be central, then I would use that power to change other convictions first.
They listed that exception for their hosting services, while saying there would be no such exception when it comes to security services.

https://blog.cloudflare.com/cloudflares-abuse-policies-and-a...
Calls for violence are legal in the United States.
What is your evidence for that?
On the one hand, I would have supported Cloudflare in continuing to provide service to Kiwifarms as someone not employed there if that was their conviction.

On the other hand, If I were the CEO, Owner, whatever of Cloudflare I would have cut ties with kiwifarms a long time ago on the grounds the site promotes truly immoral and reprehensible content and I wouldn't want any resources I control going toward helping them do so for my own conscience to be at ease.
Updated my post to clarify that I meant private equity firms.

In my case, I have them reaching out due to visibility of my company / project in space of high interest. But I’m sure there are sites / services that play matchmaking.

Just be warned that it can be a total waste of time having conversations with junior analysts of such firms - they mostly harvest information for the partners.
It is in America, for the most part. You can absolutely organize to harass people if the harassment is in the form of verbal abuse, for instance. Cloudflare is saying that something happened in the last few days on KF that was a genuine "emergency". I don't think this is just an excuse, actually – Prince seems unusually committed to honesty about this sort of thing. I presume people were organizing specific violent acts on KF, which is not "free speech" even in America.
They’ve lost numerous hosts already. Very few companies want to be associated with this kind of thing. So as they were discovered they tend to get dropped.

They can keep trying all they want. There are surely people who are willing to work with them.

But no one is REQUIRED to help them.
when there were no reported suicides for foreign nationals in the month that it was claimed he died?
Conversion losses are on the order of 5-15%

Splitting hairs, but a 23% efficient mono perc panel will edge out a 19% poly silicon panel even if utility conversion is a lot better. Although I think in that specific case the perc panels are cheaper now for utilities too.

If you're using it at 12V and/or you shelled out the extra money for multi junction in your caravan you're probably still ahead. There will also likely be 5 years or so after hybrid perovskites hit the market before anyone is keen to put down big money on the lifetime predictions.
I'm confused by your comment. The issue here is people were mad that cloudflare was providing ddos protection (via reverse proxy). What are you talking about?
Five separate companies cannot be described as having a meaningful monopoly between them.

And there are hundreds of companies that pay at that level in the US, not just FAANG.

Reality is European workers are under-paid, not US workers over-paid.

Also curious what you think is different in Australia? Are software salaries there like in the US and above somewhere like London?
Not even about racism and white nationalism?
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Well it sounds one step closer to eugenics, which you can easily find discussion and controversy on.
Agreed, being dropped from cloud flare isn’t censorship. It’s refusing to actively provide resources to them in their pursuit to harm people.
Cloudflare is a hosting service. It has R2, workers, etc.

And a CDN is a hosting service if you push content there and don’t set it to expire.
Oh, I didn't read your post properly. For some reason I thought you were talking about routes opening due to sea level rising.

The northern sea route is not given the same scrutiny as the strait in that video though. Clearly if western allies were blockading China's sea trade at choke points, the sea route has some fairly obvious problems.

It's the defensible inland routes which will be the most important. To that end, the push to expand NATO into Ukraine almost could not have gone better for China if they had orchestrated it.
Every byte that the end user sees came from Cloudflare's servers. Try making the case that that's not hosting in a court of law.
Everything in the TOS isn't some "mundane detail" but core to how a company is positioned in the legal field, as those things are legally binding and will determine for what you can or can't be sued.

Therefore it's completely implausible that even one word written there hasn't been discussed with C-level staff.

Saying the opposite is just throwing PR smoke grenades in the hope some naive people will believe that kind show.

The fish always stinks from the head. (That's why "plausible deniability" is of so great importance to those people, btw).
If hate speech is not free speech, then they who define what is hate speech, define what you can or cannot say.

If there's defamation, harassment, or incitement to violence, we should deal with that in an open court with juries of our peers, not in some dark board room.
I'm guessing KF members organizing the swatting a US congresswoman (albeit a controversial one) was probably the straw the broke the camel's back. Hard to lobby congress (Which Cloudflare does) when you protect a forum actively swats its members.
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