skysight-inc/HackerNews huggingface dataset:
This is something I realized a long time ago when I was running specific site for a few years, we had some users that would abuse the system, there was a technical solution to this that would completely eliminate abuse but the systemic cost of implementing such a solution was just too high because it would affect the whole system in negative way. So you basically accept some amount of abuse/fraud/cheating until it starts to affect your business, this is optimal choice in most cases.
Is there anything this product has that a tool like codility doesn’t?
Is there a book you recommend for getting started with research? There is enough noise in this space that I find "search the internet" to be...difficult.
Technically, true threats and "incitement to imminent lawless action" are separate doctrines.

https://www.mtsu.edu/first-amendment/article/1025/true-threa...

https://mtsu.edu/first-amendment/article/970/incitement-to-i...
Edit: ignore me, I mistakenly swapped the subjects when reading the comment and misunderstood what they were saying.

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One is denying service based on a protected class , the other is denying service based on a risk of violence.

How can you consider them equivalent?
Please don't tell him to stop posting. Some of us appreciate the insight direct from Cloudfare's founder and CEO.
Your second item isn’t even close to an illegal threat in the USA, it’s the loser equivalent of saying “mine is 12 inches”. It’s not true, never happened, and nobody believed them.
Ask HN: If I enter account or order in a phone tree, why am I asked again?
Target prompted me to enter my order information when I used its phone tree to call about a return. When I connected with an operator, they prompted me for the order number again.

This has happened with several providers e.g Banks, other E-commerce sites.

What's going on? Why even prompt me for this information if the operator needs me to repeat the information? Its aggravating and sets the wrong tone for my support call.

Anyone have insight into why this poor support CX is so common?
Well I followed the Berlin startup scene until I couldn’t bear it any more. Most of the “startups” were actually just small businesses that did business on the web. There’s absolutely nothing wrong with that, but a startup and a small business are different animals.

Ford and GM seem to have had a “Come to $DIETY” moment but yes, it remains to be seen if they will get their act together.

Ironically it was Mercedes who was the first to open an office in Palo Alto back in the mid 90s. It was considered absurd at the time, but all the other car companies now have offices in the Valley. But none of them are integral to their parent companies. Mercedes squandered their lead.
I don’t recall defending Keffals as I do not know who that is, so I have no intention of addressing the first half of your post.

In regards to your second point, I don’t know. If it is the case that someone from KiwiFarms is SWATing people, and Null is ambivalent about it, then a world where KiwiFarms is tolerated is not one that I would like.

Considering how much of a jackass Null was in regards to Byuu/Near’s suicide, it really doesn’t seem out of character.
Calling their structural safety great seems like an overstatement -- I can't find a Dacia model on EuroNCAP that doesn't have sketchy dummy kinematics, and one new model (Spring) performs startlingly poorly in crash tests

The best appears to be the 2021 Dacia Logan[1] which has a crash test littered with "marginals":

> [...] structures in the dashboard presented a risk of injury to occupants of different sizes and to those sitting in different positions, and protection for this part of the body was downgraded to marginal. Chest protection was also rated as marginal for both front seat occupants, based on dummy readings of chest compression.

> In the side barrier test, representing an impact by another vehicle, chest compression indicated a marginal level of protection.

> ...geometric analysis of the rear seats indicated marginal whiplash protection.

I think Dacia makes great cars for what they are and their price, but there are much better options for crash mitigation.

[1]: https://www.euroncap.com/en/results/Dacia/Logan/42505
The first language I used professionally was CA-Clipper Summer 87 vesion, which shared many of the dBase and FoxPro characteristics.

The company I worked for had this full ERP solution that had many modules, Finances being one if them.

I remember we had DBF and NTX files for indexes and you needed to run a reindexing procedure every morning before all the employees would start using the system.

Once we got a support call claiming one of the users of such module was freaking out because the system was falsely accusing her.

Upon asking for more details we found that the system would stop with the very particular message of “corruption detected” :)

The ultimate fix was to ask everybody to logout and run the reindexing procedure, as always. But this funny story always stuck with me.
I created a kind of object store (https://www.Didgets.com) that originally was designed to replace file systems. It manages the data streams (i.e. blobs) for each object very much like a file system does for each file. Although I have a few algorithms that make allocation and management of all the blocks very efficient, my testing shows almost equivalent I/O speed for reading/writing the data.

It is in the metadata management where my system excels. The table of file records for volume with over 200M files only needs 13GB read from disk and that much RAM to cache it all. Contextual metadata tags can be attached to each object and lightning fast queries executed that use them. The objects (Didgets) can be arranged in a hierarchical folder tree just like file systems use, but they don't need to be.
Strikingly handsome, charming, physique like a Greek god...
OK, so you made up the “doxing and threatening of CF employees” based on that nonspecific phrase. Got it.
Are you suggesting that large services like Cloudflare shouldn't exist, and instead there should be an ecosystem of DDoS-filtering reverse proxies? I do agree to that, though I think the problem remains that most of them do not want to be in the business of trying to decipher law and morality. So at the end of the day, the buck does stop somewhere.

And frankly, the example of Mastodon doesn't inspire confidence. Mastodon instance-level blocks have turned the platform into a huge mess. I genuinely would not be surprised if there was no single instance I can sit on that will allow me to interact with everyone I know on Mastodon, and as far as I've heard, if I choose to host my own instance and not to block certain instances, this will lead to my instance being blocked on some instances. I could be exaggerating a little, but this seems quite annoying.

Admittedly, e-mail works a bit better in this regard, but it's certainly not without issues (SPAM, deliverability, etc.) Still, it's perhaps possible that platforms that deal with public broadcasting are inherently more sensitive to cultural clash than ones that only deal with more or less direct communication.

Consolidation of power into platforms like Cloudflare is still a problem, but even if we fix that, we still have another service that has a lot of people all in one big amorphous zone: the Internet. I do wonder a lot if the Internet will ultimately wind up unifying a bunch of cultures, or if it will wind up creating even more bifurcation than it eliminates. It's starting to feel more and more like it creates more bifurcation, just a bit.
My old computer speakers picked up passing truck radio, endless entertainment and sometimes chills
Great book on its history: https://www.ucpress.edu/book/9780520256170/the-san-francisco...
Shouldn’t the question be why is “SWATing” even possible?
(in flies)

Does this finding really translate to anything relevant for the human genome? I'm getting that vaporware sense..

"Blue light is bad for your sleep"

"Nah, turns out it doesn't matter, actually"

"No, now we're certain it's really bad, actually!"

...
can't that all be done speculatively with de-optimization /s
I have two monitors that have always blanked whenever I ... move too much?

This information may just settle YEARS of idle speculation and curiosity on my part. Hooray!
This is the individual that visited Keffels.
He admits it:
https://archive.ph/ksqln
Is there any proof, at all, of any swatting, being organized there? seems to be a question that eludes people.
> they were - or at least Moon - always careful about not crossing the legal line

No clue. We likely won't know until law enforcement's investigations are over. In the meantime, everyone is free to come to their own threshold. That's essentially what's going on here. If it turns out Cloudflare erred, they'd have to show the evidence that pushed them to take such an extraordinary step to regain trust.
39 years here (as a kid, not professional), and can't pass FAANG coding quiz interviews!
CFP?
This is a really great video, thank you for sharing. I love hearing older people speak about programming. They're quite rare, since our field is so young.
Which government? surely each country gets to choose for itself - the US 1st amendment is only a US law, it doesn't apply world-wide - the internet however is a world-wide entity and once a company like CF, or Google etc gets big enough it needs to obey the law everywhere
Meta, but: Hoping the moderators on HN are doing good this evening as I can't begin to imagine the amount of sock-puppetry they're dealing with right now
Load-bearing “directly”
> There is still outside IR35 work around but close to 100% of larger (and typically better-paying) clients don't want to get near it because of the risks since the recent changes in the rules.

I left the UK about 2 years ago, and I still get recruiters emailing me about all kinds of contract opportunities. Not a single one of those opportunities were inside IR35.

Sure, for an IR35 work you're better off with an umbrella company, but it's definitely not the case for outside IR35.
Not in the web / ad space you mean.
> but that doesn't absolve them of the responsibility to know

This is really naive. Every layer of indirection misses out on details, esp in an organization (public, private, gov, even at team levels).

Surely you understand this basic concept?
My main issue was this:

> Visitors to any of the Kiwifarms sites that use any of Cloudflare's services will see a Cloudflare block page and a link to this post.

Cloudflare was providing security from DDoS attacks. Then all the sudden they arbitrarily decided to hijack their domain. It would be one thing to stop providing protection. It’s another to say “no you see our content now”.

It would be like security at an event deciding to put in a band no one paid for. But still taking the money from the people hosting the event. The attendees are upset, the venue is upset, the original bands are upset.

Pretty sure that is a breach of contract. Feel free to drop them, but redirecting is wtf. Particularly, when they may be interfering with an investigation (as they said, cloudflare already took it upon themselves to involve law enforcement- who didn’t feel it necessary to shut it down).
As the Americans learned so painfully in Earth's final century, free flow of information is the only safeguard against tyranny. The once-chained people whose leaders at last lose their grip on information flow will soon burst with freedom and vitality, but the free nation gradually constricting its grip on public discourse has begun its rapid slide into despotism. Beware of he who would deny you access to information, for in his heart he dreams himself your master.

Commissioner Pravin Lal, "U.N. Declaration of Rights"
I was thinking “if I was your lawyer” and didn’t type it. Then hit enter and saw my message, and edited it. The problems of getting in flamewars while making breakfast!

I would recommend to anyone to follow the advice of their lawyers regarding posting to hacker news! But it’s mainly a joke

EDIT: and to the original post, I was being way too glib. I do kinda believe what I say but there are less agressive ways of saying it. Again, breakfast posting, but legitimately touchy subject for obvious reasons and I should keep my cool.
>We compared metabolomic profiles in flies kept for 10 or 14 days in constant BL or constant darkness

The results cannot be separated from flies simply exposed to any sort of light.

Further to that, the flies used have no eyes which should be considered before attempting to apply these results to humans.
What does super mean in this context? Thanks
The state develops the programme, funds it, and encourages it and celebrates it. State sponsored.

But whatever you like to call it, I'm asking about the same kind of elimination campaign directed at other disadvantaged groups.
I don't understand trying to hide behind an argument other than "my tribe is in power here so you submit to our rules". The post you linked falls apart with how you define various concepts (how you define the terms of peace, etc.). The argument is eventually settled (like nearly all of them these days) by who is in power. They'll define the terms of peace and in a way that paints their causes as good and their enemies as evil.
>It's about illegal threats of violence. Those were against the law long before anyone ever used the term "hate speech."

the illegal threats of violence are always removed as soon as possible from KF, just as they are on every other site. what exactly is the difference here?

edit: I'm rate limited; there is (or now, was) a point-by-point rebuttal to the "KF bullied people to suicide" claims on the front-page. tldr it's a false narrative, there's no evidence anyone killselfed because of their KF thread. would you like to know more? too bad, you can't, because the site is down so you can't read it.

the "counter" / "KF kill count" / etc is a running site joke; it's not a joke about actually bullying people to suicide, it's a joke about the unfounded reputation of the site itself; part of the punchline is that everyone in the in-group knows that the number is zero but the out-group thinks it's in the dozens. get it? well I guess it's not that funny when I explain the joke, but then no joke is, right?

KF does not promote terrorism or violence.
That and the height graph makes it really easy to find places in rivers that are going to be a bit rough. It was very easy to use this tool to get a GPX of a river.
personally, i'd solve that by being enthusiastically anti-nazi, but if you can't muster up the strength to say nazis are bad, thats something you'll have to figure out on your own.
As a once broken PhD student and now early PI, je refuse to perpetuate the shattering. I'm still figuring it out, but i can it is very much at the core of my work.
Yes, I tried to separate things into three buckets, CloudFlare is in the third bucket.
I was going to bring up Carr Software's Capture the Flag as soon as I saw the headline, and was pleasantly surprised to see it made the cut for the article. A few years ago I finally got around to ordering the full version for my dad, and it was nice getting to tell Mr. Carr how much we had enjoyed his game over the years.
In other words, you're saying those volunteers are just in it for their own gratification, which explains very well the attitude they treat everyone else with.

Blocking only encourages further polarisation and animosity. There is nothing to "protect" but their own fragile egos.
So every time you're away from the desk, you put Apple's horrible mouse upside down to charge it and thus this problem is solved?

Yeah, I know I'm probably being overly anal here, but, come on. :)
Is this the recall you’re referring to? [0]

Is there a report somewhere / investigative details on the recall? Thanks!

[0] https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/porsch...

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EDIT

I found https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/rcl/2021/RCLRPT-21V486-3851.PDF

“Due to a software issue that has since been corrected, the software designed to continuously monitor end-to-end communication between the safety-related ECUs in the vehicle can, in certain instances, incorrectly and sporadically detect a potentially faulty communication, set an error memory entry, and trigger a shutdown of the power train, resulting in loss of motive power.”
2020. Surely everyone has addressed their dependence on single services like this now. And any moment now I'll get my unicorn.
Years after shuttle, NASA rediscovers the perils of liquid hydrogen
> to be under oath and claim nobody at your company was like “maybe this site is coordinating illegal activity” and you said “nah” and continued to provide services for them?

I think Cloudflare did the right thing. But I'd fight for a CEO's right to make calls about user-generated content without worrying about liability because someone suspected something.
Ford ready to wield the axe as U.S. economy slips into technical recession
And Venezuela. And Cuba. And Vietnam. And Laos. And and and.
>Be right back, I'm going to lock you in an empty dark room, because right to free speech doesn't gaurantee an audience.

This puerile hyperbole aside, free speech doesn't guarantee an audience.
Such a device would be expensive to manufacture and appeal to only a niche market. Rugged Android phones are available but don't sell well. Most people just buy a regular Samsung and put a case on it.
Thank you for speaking up. That is horrifying. I am glad you and your family are okay.
Cloudflare will ignore reports of DDOS-for-Hire websites that are illegal almost everywhere in the world, including the US. So, you see yourself as free to ignore laws when you feel like it?
Directly didn't imply anything they didn't say explicitly. They blamed the anti KF campaign for KF members escalating.
Generally in agreement with you here, but are you aware the specifics around why CF dropped services for Stormfront?

CF were holding the line until Stormfront's people claimed that CF were secretly supporters of Stormfront's ideology... which seems like a totally valid reason to drop their services.

Just as if you hired security guards and started being an abusive jerk to them every day, it seems like a reasonable decision for the security agency to drop their services.
> If a group is doing something illegal, the government should act.

Yes but as you surely know, the government has limited resources which precludes them from acting on every illegal act in a timely manner. Which means that groups can, and do, get away with illegal acts for a long time before they get to the front of the queue for being dealt with.

> they aren't going to be targeted by the government because they are not, in fact, doing something illegal.

It is a fact that the government may not target you because you are not doing something illegal - 100%, yes. But it is also a fact that you can be doing something illegal for a long time before the government targets you. You cannot use government inaction as proof one way or the other.
What are your thoughts on ISRIB as a potential treatment for the cognitive effects of Down's Syndrome?

https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2019/11/415946/down-syndrome-mouse...
Maybe the author means they compress poorly under generic, common compression algorithms. This is an exotic compression.
I bought raptor on steam a while back...
I don't understand where the myth of a "free" Internet comes from. Since privatization in 1993, you've always been held to _someone's_ terms of service. Even if you become your own ISP--get an ASN, IP space, a place to rack equipment--you still have to find someone to peer with, and if you bring enough heat you'll find yourself dropped.

Not to mention DNS which is subject to the laws of the country of registrar; plenty of pirate sites have had their domains have been seized by the US gov't.
Oh shit maybe we're all wrong then! Can I ask, then, what is the purpose of the site, if it's not to co-ordinate the harrassment of individuals by sharing their personal information?
Your false dichotomy is obvious and gross.
I'm not sure I understand the distinction about why providing a CDN is fundamentally and completely different from hosting. Still coming off your servers eierher way.

It feels like they’re trying to construct a distinction here that allows them to continue providing web services to illegal/immoral content. And this isn’t the first time, they’ve told patreon to pound save over pirates using their cdn too.

“It’s not actually hosted just a CDN” is the weakest of these though. Like wow that’s splitting a fine fine hair, for what I can’t really see as any particularly great underlying reason or principle.

And if the principle is free speech… why not host it too? I just don’t see the logic here.
Not an expert here, but would Cloudflare Tunnels be a solution here? https://www.cloudflare.com/products/tunnel/
I'm sure they do - there are lots of people who believe free speech should be a suicide pact.

Because they don't like that otherwise it is a balance, and are afraid of what happens to that balance and who does it.

Meanwhile, all things that make societies successful are a balance (as are most things that succeed in nature).
> I thought there was with Section 230

You were misinformed.

https://www.techdirt.com/2020/06/23/hello-youve-been-referre...
I don't get it, Cloudflare is not the court, nor is it a monopoly.

It's not some tragic Greek hero holding the line for freedom of speech.

It's just a business, and business can decide to not provide service to assholes, just like your local restaurant.

It already decided it won't provide hosting service to the despicables, but somehow the security service is vital to freedom of speech? I don't buy it.

It's all about their legal exposure, and it looks like the heat's too much this time.
The truth doesn't matter.
To Prevent a Martian Plague, NASA Needs to Build a Very Special Lab
This has nothing to do with Kiwifarms, it's just same story all over again. It happened before and I bet it will happen again.

1. Some awful website uses Cloudflare.

2. Something ignites outrage that Cloudflare is protecting that awful website.

3. Cloudflare initially refuses to take it down, arguing that they are neutral infrastructure providers.

4. Twitter-amplified outrage keeps growing

5. Cloudflare caves in and kicks that site off, posting about that this is only due to very recent emergency (which is nonsense, they serviced these sites for years and nothing materially changed).

6. ???

7. No profit, go back to step 1.

My prediction: because they cannot stick to their stance, every cycle makes it more probable that next attempt will succeed, until nobody will believe in infrastructure provider interpretation and they will be forced to estabilish some moderation.
Age is there to stop you, in two ways. First in raw ability, you hit 50, it's leaving.

And then in the motivation, I remember this Tom Waits song, "The higher the monkey can climb, the more it shows its tail".

I'm old. I don't have to fucking lie anymore.
That’s a apology in the sense of being an apologist, not in the sense of saying “I’m sorry.”
The actual free speech absolutist position would be "if it's illegal, the government can intervene. Otherwise, it remains"
Is it really so hard to understand that it is still censorship even if it is legal?

There is censorship even if there are no Romans anymore. It is a concept, not a very complex one at that. A bit of abstraction is the daily bread of many users probably...
I think of it as an analogy or general advise. It speaks to a changing world where mining skills have no value but digital skills do. Nobody can say what solution is right for every individual effected by these types of issues. But, the advise given is meant to be illustrative that this group of folks has worthless skills (no other mines to go to) and needs complete training for something more relevant in the current economy where there are many pockets of opportunity.
https://archive.ph/4Ofwz