skysight-inc/HackerNews huggingface dataset:
"genocide" is extremely loaded when we're talking about something that can be detected as early as 10 weeks in a developing fetus.

And being gay doesn't cause brutal, head to toe, lifelong (albeit a short life) material suffering in the individuals, like most cases of Down Syndrome do. It's not just cognitive issues, if you're unaware.
Not a perfect analogy with disease. And maybe it should suggest to you that maybe in fact, the optimal amount of fraud is zero.

With disease, the optimal amount is likely still zero. The immune system we have is not great, its only selection criteria is to keep people alive long enough to have children and keep them alive long enough so they can. We're beginning to understand, like with HPV, that anything from a life threatening case to an asymptomatic one can cause lifelong changes in the immune system and either cause or increase lifelong risk of non-infectious diseases.

And that's setting aside that we can, for example, just eradicate certain diseases if we set ourselves to it. Polio, smallpox, and hopefully malaria.

If we could eliminate certain kinds of fraud - through education, through making it impractical - that seems good, yeah?
Recent HN discussion of his death: <https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32638304>
Nope. The biggest european software company is, what, the german SAP. And SAP is tiny compared to US software companies.

Europe has something like six companies in the top 100 software companies when ranked by market cap and only one in the top 10 (the german SAP).

That's hardly being a "significant player in the non web / non ad space".
This is an excellent write up on Roaring Bitmap. The concrete examples really help to illustrate the algorithm well.

While Roaring Bitmap performs well on space saving with good performance, my gut feeling is there're better ways to achieve the same goals, especially it involving sorting on insertion and binary search on lookup, both on the sorted top level list and the sorted lower-bit integers.

Also it works well on 32-bit integers and probably 64-bit integers but it's not clear it can scale well beyond to bigger integers.

Nevertheless it's an excellent algorithm that works well in practice.
Why don’t you use your own words and just directly say what you’re trying to get across?
I'm confused by the pronunciation. Does British English puts the emphasis on "idemPOTENCY" while American English puts the emphasis on "IDEMpotency"?
Exactly! Most people view things simplistically and even backwards!

Why is Shake Shack better tasting than McDonalds? All they have to do is pay them better!

Why did Nokia fail when the iPhone launched? All they needed to do was pay devs better, duh!
Do you not understand just how dystopian this is? This refrain to be enthusiastically anti-X reminds me of 1984 and the two minutes hate.

I can't get enthusiastic about being anti-Nazi because Nazis are not a thing I've had any kind of first hand experience with. Sure, I've learned all about bad things they've done in WW2, but however bad those atrocities were, nothing even close to those events have happened in my own lifetime with regards to Nazis.

I've also learned about similar atrocities caused by the Soviets under Stalin, by Pol Pot in Cambodia, and by various Europeans during colonial times. They are similarly historically distant, with maybe the closest kind of atrocity in my lifetime being the Iraq war. Even with that I have a hard time working myself up about it too much, because... why? What would be the point? To show that I'm sufficiently scrupulous? To prove that I'm on "the right side of history"?
Says the man who told the NZ police that their country is a shit hole because they asked him for details about the Christchurch terrorist, and he confirmed the he reposted the video and the "manifesto" of the terrorist.

https://www.smh.com.au/world/oceania/owner-of-christchurch-s...
Yes. Also gray areas do exist. This isn't one of them.
Would you mind explaining how - even in this fantasy world - people living in closed societies would get wildly different features? Somehow elves are different from human who are different from gnomes - it there are 2-3 afro elves or afro-hobbits? That’s what’s jarring about “per quota” insertion of minorities - because it contradicts our experience. One can make southerons look Persian or Indian, but having a token minority is just laughable. And throwing around virtue signaling is not helping your argument.
FYI people are interpreting this as saying the witch hunt is the KF users being targeted, and not what they did to other people (who FWIW might be bad people and do bad things, but this weird disconnected cyber-vigilantism teeming with "far-right" overtones is just not the way to deal with that...).

I read it that way too at first but it makes no sense in light of your OP.
The in-groups and out-groups always exist, and will be at war perpetually. It’s naive to think such a division would begin and end at something so superficial as skin color; you can go much more specific.

Why would the British man go out of his way to identify himself with those bloody red-haired potato-fetishizing Irishmen? Or the pompous Frenchmen who cover their pervasive stench in perfumes and jam lard into anything they can find in some depraved vision of “high couture”? Or the barbarians and savages of the east, who can’t tell the difference between a puff of wind and God? The 12th century African man hardly runs around thinking “we’re all black, so we’re all the same so nothing to fight about” — they just choose a different division and massacre one another on that basis

You would only bother with white vs black racism when there’s enough blacks to identify against and vice versa; otherwise you choose different boundaries and compete on that. Religion, country, skin color, geography (eg mountain men vs hicks vs cityfolk); there’s more than enough choices to go around. And hell, there’s something stopping you from applying multiple boundaries simultaneously

Your 16th century farming peasant in the corner of England doesn’t see enough Africans or Middle Easterns or Asians to wield race as an effective identity. Your Roman’s could have, but they also had quite the diverse array of colors and folks through varying conquest — race probably played a role in internal conflict (Roman vs roman) but even then religion was clearly the far stronger identifier and a much stronger motivator for their slaughters.
What threat exactly? How do we know it wasn't a false flag by someone wanting to take the site offline?
Not conjecture. Documented evidence of KF users doxxing and making threats against people: https://twitter.com/oneunderscore__/status/15657982526702387...
Timothy Leary is probably rolling in his grave.
The other agenda is also pleasing shareholders and ensuring PR / damage control is mitigated at all costs.

Their stock price has been falling since Thursday after all.
How fast are you arranging a new gig at the end of the last one lately? A lot of the negative stories I've been hearing seem to be about gigs only lasting a few months now instead of being 6/12 initially and maybe renewing like before. So then even if there's more work available straight away through your network you probably still end up having to do the interview dance several times per year and maybe losing a few days before the preferred start date for the new gig as well. Has that not been your recent experience?

If you're consistently managing to finish one gig on Friday and have a new one ready to start on the Monday without any downtime or excessive interviewing disruption then it seems you're doing better than several contractors I know at the moment. I think they typically do charge rates a bit higher than £500 though so maybe there's just less work available at that level or more competition for each gig.
Nice metaphor - were the digital offenses becoming actual acts of violence in person?
The water infrastructure of a single city failing doesn't say much about the whole city. Life seems to be chugging along everywhere else. Stay off the doomerism and appreciate what we have.
I’m depressingly amused by that. If you’re a free speech absolutist to the point where you’re unwilling to draw a line between Kiwifarms attacks and the real world consequences, surely you shouldn’t blame the anti-KF campaign for the way KF reacted?

The problem here is that Cloudflare didn’t want to contemplate the possibility that the words on Kiwifarms might be stifling to the free speech of their targets. Which, of course, they were, just as the anti-KF campaign made KF unhappier and more aggressive. Words have real physical consequences. Often they’re predictable.
I suspect someone might have posted this in response of the KF situation.
The last 4 jobs I've had have all been (and continue to be) Elixir.

HG Insights

Divvy

Podium

GoSkip

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I also know these companies use Elixir:

PepsiCo

Adobe

Smartlogic

Cars

Felt

Dockyard

Massdriver

Pinterest

Discord

Amazon (though I doubt they know it broadly).
I did not express my opinion about what should be done. It is a difficult problem and I would not debate it here. I was just explaining why it is controversial.
> This is just a first-order analysis of the problem.

> Just because the things don't need to happen in an ideal world, doesn't discredit the fact that in our complex econo-political system

Truth be told, first order analysis (and even second) often gives naive or harmful solutions. Complex problems are complex because they require high order solutions and principle components have relatively low contributions to problems as compared to less complex problems. If you're thinking of complex topics like climate through low order lenses, you're going to get bad results. It is a topic that heavily requires reliance through expert consensus as it is not a topic that even a singular expert cannot fully capture. There is a reason why we call this (one of if not) the largest crisis humanity has ever faced.
So then why did you become the liability decision maker on behalf of your customer, if you were not required by the law?

After many sales emails that we ignored, your sales guy found and called me on my personal cell when I was on vacations in Mexico City, trying to push a 5000/mo DDoS mitigation contract, and i explained to him that we are happier paying 100k/year to a net neutral company VeriSign (now down to 27k), than offloading the legal liability decisions on our behalf to your Majesty Matthew Prince.

While it makes sense to use CF for a booter DDoS-for-hire outfit accepting Monero, any legitimate company that has real money and jobs at stake should not use CF.
As someone on the other side of the coin (I've paid contractors on the order of 15-20k a week), your post couldn't be further from the truth. The reason I have to pay that much money is because that person's skills are in such high demand and the value they bring is incredibly high that the last thing I would ever do is piss them off and have them work elsewhere.

That said contracts like that in my case were short term and tightly scoped, usually 6 months long and with very specific objectives. Areas of expertise I've hired people for were security/cryptography, custom database development/optimizations and network optimization (ie. Infiniband).
>rather than free speech

i encourage anybody who is calls themselves a "free speech advocate" to consider what kiwifarms has been doing to "free speech". their intimidation campaigns have been doing a lot more to harm the cause of free speech than this decision by cloudflare is. if you really believe in free speech, you understand that trans people deserve free speech too, and kiwifarms harrasment campaigns have been harming their free speech. free speech is for everybody, not just the people who have opinions you agree with, and being openly trans is a form of speech.
Watching company employees consistently pop up on critical threads (not fingering CF here, many including at least Stripe come to mind as frequently occurring too) feels a lot like gaming the forum. Vetted messages like this from a recognizable source will often end up pinned to the top of the thread, but I don't really think they overly contribute to the conversation in most cases, and I find myself wishing there was some rule against it.

Not to say there shouldn't be a place for official responses, just that it's kinda tiring to see crowdpleasing justifications during times of stress displacing the thoughts of other potentially less biased folk on the Internet discussing the problem at hand.

(The counterargument would be that the status quo provides unparalleled public access to top-level staff, I'll leave that angle for someone else to explore ;)
> But as CF has noted, the wheels of justice are too slow for the speed of internet, so they had to act proactively.

Sometimes these things are slow for a reason. They have no idea whether those threats were legitimate or posted by the very group of people that were making a huge fuss about KF the past few weeks. Anyone can post a threat anonymously and then report it themselves.

The wheels of justice are slow because they don't just take everything at face value, which CloudFlare just did.
They can't directly remove your physical freedom but corporations especially when acting in unison can remove most of your economic freedom. If enough precedents are set where large service providers deny service to groups and individuals at the behest of the mob, eventually it will become politically and financially expedient for these providers to pre-emptively deny service to a whole basket of people.

It's somewhat amusing that corporate run dystopias were always imagined as a product of unfettered libertarian policy in science fiction and film but we may very well slide into one being pushed the whole way by the very people who decried such policies in their youth during the 80s and 90s.
Kiwifarms should have been dealt with by the traditional legal system years ago. It is honestly shocking to me that the operator has never been charged. The site has been engaging in mass harassment for years and is responsible for multiple suicides.

When the legal system fails, people turn to vigilante justice, and we get this mess instead. People feel so strongly that Kiwifarms should be taken offline that they engage in illegal behavior themselves.
A fully open-source and end-to-end encrypted note taking alternative to Evernote
You require a google or fb account to signup, kinda defeats the purpose?
Ah thank you. I had no idea. Turns out distributed operating systems were/are a thing:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distributed_operating_system

"Research and experimentation efforts began in earnest in the 1970s and continued through the 1990s, with focused interest peaking in the late 1980s. A number of distributed operating systems were introduced during this period; however, very few of these implementations achieved even modest commercial success."

So looks like they're trying to keep the idea going?
No it isn't. German GDP per capita exceeds that of Florida.
Well, so far you've almost proven my point. You've responded with a trivial insult and no actual counter-argument, which was far easier to write than my comment and contributed nothing to the discussion.
repeating myself but

> ts better to let 10 criminals get away with it than to convict 1 innocent person.

is arguably false. it forgets that 10 criminals had 10 or more victims. If you optimize for the least number of victims then it's easily possible that convicting a few innocent people has a net positive in lowering the total number of victims including the victims of being wrongly convicted

to put it another way, perfect is the enemy of good. In this case if in pursuit of perfection of having zero wrongly convicted you end up causing more victims of criminals then you've arguably failed
This seems like the correct thing. They realise the content is dodgy.

Report to law enforcement repeatedly hoping that they look at it and give them a legal reason to shut them down.

If they shut things down as a private company, so long as the customer is not in breach of the service contract and the content is not illegal, couldn’t they mount a defence?

This sounds like a reasonable strategy. I don’t understand this need for private justice.
Ok, can we know what was this great threat then that suddenly made you change your position in just a few days?

Furthermore, do you believe that someone who is issuing a threat on a public platform is going to not act it out because you took it away? If anything it just sounds like it would make them even more incensed to do it, just makes absolutely no sense to frame it as some immediacy issue.
I think there is a very real need for a distributed operating system. Operating systems ultimately just virtualize hardware, and its clear to anyone that has used VMware or Xen that we're building such a system piecemeal and constantly reinventing the operating system wheel. I think this is absolutely where OS design is inevitably destined to evolve into.
> Therefore it's completely implausible that even one word written there hasn't been discussed with C-level staff.

I think this is just proof that you are not familiar with how C-level responsibilities work at large corporations.
We live in a new world where context and letting arguments stand on merit is irrelevant. A small but vocal minority of zealots amplified by social media can destroy a person's career simply because they feel the ideas and/or actions of that person contradicts their values.
Who decides what hate is? As you said it has evolved.

Your emotional "lives are on the line" in dramatic italics makes you look very dramatic.
Cloudflare is a neighbor player to poke. In general, I'm more worried about smaller players.

Tavis seems to have a very dopaminergic personality and I appreciate your position but I feel that (fully and professionally done) responsible disclosure means more than impulsive twitter posting.
Maybe outsourcing one's security needs is "dumb" when it comes to something like the internet since "trust" is hard won and quite expensive.
Always wondered why the ISPs themselves don't compete. They're clearly well positioned. They have a lot of money. Are they that cheap and unable to get expertise to build out this infra?
>Cloudflare paid no mind until a larger campaign got going.

You seem to think that is a criticism but it’s actually a pretty good description of how things should work: a problem got enough attention to rise to their notice and they dealt with it. I see no fault in cloudflare setting a high bar on this, for generally not paying attention to content unless it’s serious enough to really grab their attention.

The fact that there are other problems of various severity elsewhere doesn’t change that. The fact that not all targets have as large of a public voice to avoid harassment and potential violence is a tragedy, not a mark against cloudflare.
That's exactly a problem with theses sites; they are horrible and yet can slowly recruit people because companies still provide them with services that allow them to stay public.
It is so disappointing seeing you be downvoted for sentiments like this. The neurodivergent and unempathetic nature of this forum really rears its head from time to time.
Maybe if the admin wasn't actively calling transpeople groomers, it wouldn't be a breeding ground for violence and attacks.
Coordinating real world afk harassment and physical attacks.

https://amp.knowyourmeme.com/memes/events/2022-alleged-kiwi-...
Let's call it "LMGTFY"!
Yes, the devil is in the details like always.
I guess too much room for cheating probably?

But then again, back in high school (a decade ago) I participated in DialNet Masters (not televised, though) which was a competition about networking and Internet. Using the web was definitely allowed. My team won the 1st place, even though we did not "cram" as I know other teams did. We jokingly referred to it as "contest of hardcore googling", but to be fair, there were also challenges like making LAN IP addressing plan, or one that ended with a riddle (which I guessed in a divine stroke of luck).

Having said that, now we have semi-competent personal assistants, and also Google spoon-feeds you the facts by the means of knowledge panels, which would make it too easy if not just boring.
How does one discern whether a story is a history or a fiction, thousands of years afterward? Language and culture shift dramatically in that time. (Actual question, not rhetorical.)

If Plato is the only one who recounts the story, that doesn't show he invented it. Stories of actual events are lost all the time. Why would it be surprising to hear a story about a thing from only one remaining and preserved source?
ZZT and One Must Fall 2097 were my favorites.
In Australia, we have compulsory employer contributions to a retirement account called superannuation. Similar to the American concept of a 401k but mandatory.
An exclusive focus on getting legal repercussions for the people who acted against KF and not any focus on legal repercussions for KF is some false neutrality.
As an Australian I appreciate you understanding my root comment!
Is the phone company responsible for connecting content? How about your internet service provider? At what level does someone become responsible?

This is a question for the law, not for the mob. The internet, thanks to a completely fucked up legal regime (section 230), is currently very gray.

Facebook and Twitter, which are commonly used to facilitate large-scale violent riots and play host to far more doxxing and cyberbullying than kiwifarms could ever hope to, get a pass despite being the main facilitator of that communication. In contrast, infrastructure services like Cloudflare (and even AWS) have been subject to intense pressure to drop other sites where people say bad things.

Under this theory, we need to be taking Facebook and Twitter offline immediately. And maybe also the phone company too.
Not going against your point, just that there is no need for Cloudflare to provide the government info on a site that already provides the government with info.
The governments have had years to deal with kiwifarms and its criminal users, and failed.
Correct, if you aren't vocally against hate speech, homophobia, transphobia, etc, you may as well be on the side of it. "the only thing it takes for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing" blah blah blah, you get it nazi.
Mold is the most difficult part. Even being what I thought was very careful lead to nothing but fuzzy mold covering everything. Uncle Bens Tek helps a lot with the colonization phase, but the spawn to bulk always turned nasty for me.
> Allen described his work as a consultant when he goes into a new organisation:

> - First he observes

> - Then he would try to identify the biggest problem

> - Then he would try change it (i.e. run an experiment)

> - Then if that works, run another experiment

> - If it doesn’t work, go back

It's probably no accident, but this is pretty close to the scientific method.
>> Your average working programmer isn't retiring at 50, and your brain works just fine at that age

I'm 50 and my brain does not work fine at this age.

>> they're gonna work till retirement like everyone else

50 is retirement. I'm still writing code, but no. I'm ready to retire, this is a victory lap. This is why you save money if you're a coder. You won't listen to me if you're a young me, but I'm telling you, young me, save your money. This is the old you talking directly to the young you. But you won't listen.

Barrin92 might still be able to hit it out of the park at age 50, I can't. I'm hanging on.
Yes, as noted in the post if you read to the end, I am very concerned about that.
You should, as a general rule, never take a charitable view of the actions of businesses. If you start with the most machiavellian interpretation possible you will be more right than wrong. Not that you will be always right, but absent special information it is the presumptive default.
At least one accessory to attempted murder, at least:

https://amp.knowyourmeme.com/memes/events/2022-alleged-kiwi-...