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This is an old idea. I've seen chinese companies show off amazing displays at CES 4-5 years ago. Royale was the name of the company or the device? It was a mostly stellar experience. My eye sight is pretty bad. I wasn't able to get perfect clarity with the adjustments in one eye (think the adjustment went to 5 and I'm a 7).
He glosses over the part where tesla autopilot shuts itself down just before impact. It doesnt matter that much but it's an interesting point I didn't know.

As a rider, I'm not really too worried about tesla autopilot, mostly because I don't do much freeway riding and I'm probably not the safest rider to begin with. Plus there are plenty of normal drivers that make questionable maneuvers solely because they don't see bikes. In fact, even as a rider myself, at night I often have trouble distinguishing a motorcycle from a car with one light out.
Not really. If the app is essentially pulling data out of the UI and calling a SQL query to put some fields into a database (or vice-versa), there isn't much to it.

Yes, if it's doing something more complex, algorithmic complexity can be a factor. The vast majority of "enterprise" or business apps aren't.
Precisely the kind of trendy claims I'm talking about.

Not denying your reality, whether it's placebo effect or real, who cares. As long as you get a benefit, that's all that matters.

Blue light seems to have no effect on me one way or the other, personally.
She published LoTT’s full legal name and enough of a description to positively locate her on Spokeo/White Pages/etc. That is a common cop-out for Twitter mobs; posting the ready-made parts for such a search but not the actual home address, so in the poster’s eyes it technically isn’t “doxing.”
we have clients per device. So there is a SwiftUI client and a Jetpack Compose client
More importantly, does he even care if that were the case? (All signs point to no.)
>What specifically makes their victims 'weirdos'

The site was set up to target Chris Chan in particular, but later shifted to "lolcows" in general - ie people that continue to give the bullies the bizarre reactions that they're looking for. They don't exclusively target trans people, nor do they even go to trans spaces looking for people to insult. After all, the average trans person would just block them and move on with their life and that makes for a boring thread.

>why do you feel the need to comment that you get off to 'watching people do fucked up shit for internet clout'

Because I'm on HN, and it's more important here to show that you know what you're talking about rather than show that you're a good, law-abiding citizen. If you seriously can't understand why people enjoy looking at trainwrecks, you need to speak to more people.

>They target trans women like Lizzy Waite and Clara Sorrenti.

I don't know the Lizzy Waite saga, but Clara Sorrenti specifically had that whole Catboy Ranch thing going on, plus the constant drama with other streamers and just a general behavioural pattern of always feeding the trolls.

>What is so weird about kids who need support from the Trevor Project hotline?

Yep, that shouldn't have happened. (But then again, neither should anything else on this site...)

>Being queer is not a mental illness.

Yes?
So first of all, "violence" has a definition. We can't keep expanding the definition in order to justify actual violence in retaliation.

You can be found partly liable for someone's suicide if you've encouraged or groomed someone to commit suicide. Saying mean things to them does not constitute such an action.

We can all talk about how reprehensible kiwifarms is, that it encourages reprehensible behavior, that we would not want to spend time with many of the people there in our lives, that we would disown our children for participating there, etc. But we have to put a stop to this push to take every opportunity to increase the scope of retaliation. We can't change the scope of what violence is or who is responsible for a suicide just because we find their behavior reprehensible and want revenge, not if we want to live in a just society.
I haven't done any Rails dev work in a while but as I understand it the Rails implementation is a Webview, not actual native UI
I doubt anything would happen. At the end of the day it is a web forum it doesn't exactly cost many resources to host it (from archive.org most posts seems to just be text and outside links). I'd bet the benefit they get from using cloudflare has nothing to do with caching but only with ddos protection. Without cloudflare (or some other ddos protection) their servers are going to be offline from ddos attacks anyways.
Foxpro was a fantastic product until Microsoft killed it.
Did blocking the content save anybody's life? If so, how? If you don't know, can you even articulate a theory in which blocking content could save a life imminently threatened?

I don't dispute that a life was threatened and murder may have been imminent, I'm taking that for granted. I just don't understand how this action could have any effect upon that course of events. Murder is a physical-world thing, not an online content thing.

Further explanation would be appreciated.
> Also, Cloudflare asserts their position is that they largely do not want to restrict speech beyond that government baseline and they won't act themselves against speech. Here they claim they are forced to (and they probably were).

CloudFlare acts against speech all the time. They'll sell you a service to screen the speech of others and then pass it onto you or not, at their decision.

CloudFlare's own terms of use for their Email Forwarding product is very clear that they will squelch your speech as well, in many conditions that don't come anywhere approaching "organizing an international manhunt to intimidate a minority": https://www.cloudflare.com/supplemental-terms/#email-routing

They should stop talking about this like it's "pure speech" because it's not that at all, and even to the extent that it is, they already limit actual "pure speech" in many other scenarios not nearly as threatening as this.
> the risk created by the content

What risk? Can you please share details? From my perspective, it seems like this is a thin excuse, and there was not actually a credible risk that you were mitigating.
Define "fraud".
I am not suggesting that the right tools will allow absolutely anyone to be happy working in any given role in the domain of software development. Scoping is a big part of finding the right roles for people.

Maybe a person loves developing prototypes and POCs, or shepherding new systems through phases of adoption prior to reaching massive “scale.” As some people are wont to say, “Everything breaks at scale.”

Everybody has a complexity band in which they are comfortable operating. Many problems of high complexity can be decomposed sufficiently that they can be attacked teams of mostly mere mortals, with perhaps some assistance or over-sight from the Anointed Ones. Also, many people have significant abilities to navigate the complexities of, say, differential topology but C++ not so much. And vice versa. How information is presented impacts our ability to cope with complexity.
tl;dr it doesn't.

While I did start with a vision of presbot being a self-learning chatbot built to act as an interactive agent that would represent its owner (primarily b2c) in all sorts of situations. Based on the feedback, I realized that until that interaction is smooth, believable and closer to an actual dynamic conversation, it provides much less value. I was using a combination of https://www.nltk.org/, https://spacy.io/ and https://textblob.readthedocs.io/en/dev/ for NLP then.

I pivoted to a rule-based bot focusing on lead capture via a linear conversation driven by user specified questions, more like an interactive version of a static form, with prescribed Q&A (AKA FAQs on the platform).
I’m sure cloudflare complies with all lawful orders to police and any unlawful activity reported to them that’s verifiable. It’s standard cover your ass policy. You can’t expect a corporation to put its own politics in front of its shareholders
As far as I’m aware, the government has little to no power to force a company to suppress information.
Are you counting the cost the of fossil fuel burnt to unearth it, or the externalities of having done so?
A screen for Down's syndrome is routinely done at the end of the first trimester/start of the second trimester.
I am not entirely okay with not being as good as Alan Kay.
The point is the site can come back online through an alternate CDN vendor, assuming they can find one that wants their business. The origin server(s) presumably are still online. The origin servers "host the site."
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Yes, extremely reliably, to the degree that Down syndrome has almost disappeared in societies with widespread prenatal screening [0].

[0] https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/down-syndrome-iceland/
> Methalox can be a better choice if you are designing a reusable launch system and you are optimizing for low cost to orbit.

The only reason to not design a reusable launch system in the past 7 years is because you lack foresight, or you have a design by committee where you're being forced into poor decisions for political gain.
AP safety stats include crashes where the system was active within the previous x seconds - I think x is something like 10 or 30. Plenty of time for a human to become responsible.
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I meant optimal fraud at 0 as in a utopia would have no fraud whatsoever; a utopia where everybody cooperates in prisoner’s dilemmas, where I can lend a stranger my phone and not worry they’ll run off with it, and where cashiers don’t exist because you can count on people leaving money as they walk out the store.
Obviously this utopia doesn’t and can’t exist: people defect because it works against cooperators. Fraudsters are people who defect in the societal game of iterated prisoners dilemma, and thus we have to build defences against them until some sort of Nash equilibria is reached.

So I guess I did mean optimal in two different ways. One is a utopian cooperative paradise, the other an optimisation problem for an optima where businesses make the most money and society overall is richer than if business activity got crippled.
I tried to apply this approach, along with learning the needs of a few non-tech friends locally.

It always boiled down to cheaper alternative of services like WhatsApp bot, hosting, etc OR reaching out to more users (and marketing isn't my strong suit).
I would continue to avoid your racist country
KF has been sued multiple times and won every case.
It’s not like it’s going to happen over a weekend, people will have plenty of time to adapt to the new normal. Factories get moved (overseas), houses and people get relocated, humanity survives.

The thing I like most about these debates is if you state a simple and obvious fact people will attack you as a denier because the sky isn’t falling. But I can’t resist even though I know better.
The hate and doxxing is generally from the trans activists to the women who are resisting losing their sex-segregated spaces. Women are being called TERFs and beaten at women's events and pride parades for female activism. Calling lesbianism female, etc.

The problem with censorship is that as soon as it happens there's nothing to argue against the lies with. Now that KF is gone people come out of the woodwork who would have maintained some control if it still existed and had their receipts.
It sounds like an interesting approach, do you have a couple of recommendations for SF novel?
Don't get me wrong, I hate Cloudflare. Their core product is security done the wrong way. They have the potential to do evil things at an enormous scale with little to no recourse.

On the other hand, KiwiFarms was ACTUALLY DOING something evil at an enormous scale with no recourse. Lives have been threatened in the past, and another life was in jepoardy in this instance. The site is dedicated to activities that are at best harmful to society, and at worst illegal and life-threatening.

What reason does Cloudflare have to eliminate a customer, other than a situation like this? They have no reason to care about your site's content. They just want your money so they can protect you from DDOS attacks and slurp up metadata. The only reason this happened is because human lives were in question.
>> Speak for yourself, mate

That's exactly who I am speaking for, mate.
This is kind of exactly what I mean when I say that people haven't really though this through.

You intend this to be a gotcha, but yes, unironically getting pressured by a political representative has fewer free speech implications than the government openly threatening to throw people in prison. It does have implications; it's not ideal. But are you really arguing that the government leaning on people is worse than it would be for them to just outright force people to censor content?

I've brought up SESTA/FOSTA a few times already, but they're kind of an ever-green example. The government has been pressuring companies to deplatform sex workers for ages, but SESTA/FOSTA were still a worse outcome. I don't want the government trying to do run-arounds to the First Amendment in the first place, but if you're drawing a comparison then the world where they were privately pressuring companies was less censorious than the world where they started openly threatening website operators with felonies.
OK, you're willfully missing the point because we're talking about the position relating to Cloudflare's security services, not hosting or other products that have have a more restrictive TOS.
Is there doxxing and threats actually carried out on KF that are not suppressed by the moderators? I've read some of the lolcow threads and have never seen serious threats or serious doxx material like addresses. I'm not saying it doesn't happen because I have not read a lot of KF content but I think people need to provide supporting evidence for these claims. My suspicion is a lot of the bad stuff is not organized directly on KF but rather secret discord/telegram groups.

There also seems to be a double standard where dropkiwifarms.net has a link to a google drive that seems to be somewhat similar to the content that might appear on a lolcow thread and could be interpreted as 'doxxing'. For example it has a copy of Joshua Moon's resume and a legal document showing his name change.

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1-sFPWY4HXOxvIUzkyyHV...
Agreed. That would make sense given the facts I think I have. Maybe some legal or regulatory or anti-fraud consideration comes into it that I don’t know about.

I have worked on phone trees that run in a software PBX that actually doesn’t connect to other systems, like customer service, though I don’t see any technical impediment. Maybe the various vendors don’t interoperate. Maybe the company outsources their phone tree, or their customer service, or both.

Lots of things don’t work the way we’d like or think they should. I get that. But getting upset and starting off the chat with a real person in a bad mood or tone, when they had nothing to do with the phone tree implementation, you do have control over that.

Almost every day I see people driving in ways I interpret as rude, dangerous, or oblivious. I try to remind myself that their behavior isn’t directed at me, personally, and I can’t control them but I can control my reactions. Same principle.
so this guy gets to break tos for years yet you ban me after one infraction.
See also: "Blocking Kiwifarms" from Cloudflare, > 1,000 comments:

<https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32706673>
If Matthew Prince didn't style himself as the tragic Greek hero holding the line for freedom of speech then yes, most of this disappointment would not have happened.

People are mostly not claiming they have no right to drop them, or an obligation to keep them up, but claiming one thing and then 3 days later buckling under pressure is extremely disappointing. Especially when the underlying implication is that the website would hopefully be taken down by actually illicit means, those being DDOS attacks.
First of all, I want to be respectful of the parent comment, much much respect for all the hard work that it must be.

To your question, prenatal screening is a thing, but maybe non-invasive techniques (that don’t risk miscarriage) are newer. I don’t know how widely recommended they are throughout the country (US) or world, but they were prescribed for our kiddo born San Francisco this year. They seem to stagger the tests, so that the less invasive ones are used at first, and then the more invasive procedures are recommended if there is information that would indicate an increased risk of whatever condition.

See for example: https://www.ucsfhealth.org/education/prenatal-testing-for-do...

Some might say that these tests are being over used… it’s very personal imo.
I don’t understand your question. What do you mean by “but free”?
yep. it’s sad that the interview process is so broken
Every human endeavor is 100% guaranteed to fail at some point. By your definition there are zero function governments anywhere in the world.
How long? I've rushed through to #12 and it seems still simple. (You do always the same things up until now).

But how many "challenges" are there?

I don't want to spent the whole day decoding files even it seems kind of funny.

Besides that, really great tool! Didn't know about it until now.
Whom I personally like is irrelevant. We're talking about public safety here. We opened a Pandora's box of hate and violence when we created the internet. The state, which is ordinarily charged with protecting the public from danger, has failed to respond to the threat, justifying its inaction with references to 18th century texts written before the steam engine became practical. If the state refuses to act, we as technologists must. For the good of society, we have to cut off access to hate --- not only at the DDOS prevention level, but at the browser, the network, and even operating system level. To stand by and do nothing while violent speech floods our communication channels is to be complicit in this speech.

For example: why is the Tor project facilitating the spread of hate by keeping Kiwifarms accessible? The Tor project's mission of preserving user privacy does not include facilitating access to harassment material.
Having never read Kiwifarms I don't know whether the threats are real or not.

But it's not like the person/s they are targeting, or their plans are secret

CF is making a specific claim that law enforcement is too slow against the escalting risk.

Why would this be true?

Kiwifarms seems like a big problem but it's a small fish in the total criminal pool.

It's not like a Kiwifarms post goes up and a bomb goes off 5 minutes later. If the police can send a swat team anywhere in the US within 2 hours for a hoax, I'm certain the same resource exists for actual threats.
Exactly. Woke culture never seems to mention women's preference for tall men, which is actually a lot worse than men's preference for skinnier women, as the former is not something a person can change.
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Hmm... Why not, exactly?
That's super interesting and I didn't know this history. However, misinterpreting someone's ideas doesn't make it not real if people are actively practicing them.
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Thanks for this incredibly insightful and completely on-topic quote. From this i can clearly see that the very dream of a more equitable and less late-stage-capitalist future is inevitably doomed, and all forms of communism must be rejected. While the landed gentry obviously have our best interests at heart, and it surely is best to try and pry our futures from their grips by words alone! No drastic action, no revolutions.

As Engels said, any form of revolution is a oxymoron and thus always fails!
> Not to hammer the point to hard, but de-concentrating power is the exact reason why it is better to have moderation decisions across multiple layers of the network stack rather than in level 0 (the government).

I'm not disagreeing with your entire argument, just that portion.

Multiple layers of moderation are only safer for free speech to the extent that none of them have too central of a role and there's some degree of visibility as to what is happening.

One of the things that has made social media so toxic to speech is that it has A) gathered so much of the "share" of being a conduit of speech at scale, and B) creates a false feeling of consensus by creating playing fields that are tilted in various ways without the tampering being obvious.
If true, an ingenious way to de-cloudflare someone, which will be used many times again.
When you say "violence" what do you mean? Physical attack? Vandalism? Something that could be remedied with a restraining order?

If there's actual violence being organized here I'm wondering why nobody has been charged with a crime.
If you think US federal government has "little to no power" over the company whose main business, headquarters and most of the workers are all located in the US - you really misunderstand just how vast US federal government powers are.
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https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18556653

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23521203

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> is that the court system would rule in favor of the speech, almost every single time

This is kind of a run-around. Cloudflare's blogpost argues that it wants to get this content offline, it just wants courts to be in charge of that process. It acted because it believed the courts were too slow.

If your argument is that moving speech to the government level is good specifically because the government won't censor it, then don't pretend that we're arguing about where moderation should occur. The actual argument in that case is whether you want this moderation to happen at all.

I take Cloudflare at their word that they actually wanted a court to tell them to deplatform this content. And because of that I take them at their word that they believe the government could feasibly pass laws that would censor the content people are asking them to deplatform.
I hope you remember that she is good, and that smarter people are often not. I hope you do not interpret that as an insult.

edit: I love how this is getting downvoted on a site where most people are anti Apple CSAM reporting.
> We can't have a society that requires CEO to decide who is morally acceptable and who is not.

Yes, we can. And we do. Even if the decision you would have the is “everything law enforcement doesn't act on is acceptable”.
Sure, but the site can also come back online through an alternate hosting provider if their origin servers go down. How is that any different?

And even then, the concept of “origin server” is pretty vague.
> You wouldn't use an agile methodology in construction, you waterfall the hell out of that.

On the contrary, Mary Poppendieck has a wonderful presentation she gave on how the Empire State Building was built in record time by literally doing it as a more agile-style construction. https://chrisgagne.com/1255/mary-poppendiecks-the-tyranny-of...

Likewise, American manufacturers by WWII had already gotten very good at building complicated machinery based on relatively light levels of blueprints and documentation, with the detail-level designs being added to the drawings used on the factory floor.

In many ways we have to blame the introduction of computerized project management for waterfall... it simply wouldn't have been workable before that to even attempt a real waterfall method for projects.
Can you enumerate those nations? Are any of them not failed states?