I admire your attempt to be honest, but being honest in return, I think this "we just care about facts" thing is just one of many tactics to move people from the first group to the second group, while they themselves don't realise what's happened.

I'm sure there's something you believe, and that is the accepted 'politically correct' consensus, that someone else is arguing the 'but it's just facts' about.

Possibilities are, for example, the people who say they're not 'racists', they don't hate anyone, they call themselves 'race realists' because they just simply believe that a) multiple human races exist, b) some are inferior to others.

To them it's just objective facts. They're not happy about it, but can't stand by and pretend it's not true. They've done their own research and decided that the politically correct poindexters might want to pretend that there's no scientific basis for race, and it's a social construct, but they they can't fool them. So they'll happily talk at great length about this pseudoscientific belief they have, all the time railing against the consensus. And they'll sadly have to side with the racists, not because they're racist, but just because well, some races are inferior, so you have to treat them in a way that might appear 'racist' if you thought they were equally human.

Here's another example, guess what their big focus is:

> ...there will be an accounting for this fraud. People are very very angry, and while the skeptics whose darkest doubts have been vindicated don't pull the levers of organized science (the frauds do that), there are some financial and political resources available to the skeptics who have been demanding integrity in science, and they understand now that this is war.

> A cabal of leading scientists, politicians, and media concubines have conspired to lie about global warming. The reasons are obvious: power and money. The illusion of planetary crisis serves as vehicle for 'emergency measures to save the planet', which are merely measures to empower and enrich an elite few. Al Gore, carbon-credit entrepreneur who puts his 'mouth where his money is', had it figured out a decade ago. The fraudulent scientists who suckle off the 7 billion dollars spent this year alone on the global warming scam (more than the U.S. spends annually on cancer research and AIDS research) are merely using science, rather than hedge funds, to enrich themselves...

> I'm not sure that the scientific community can or will respond to this debacle in a courageous or ethical way. The [redacted] debate clearly demonstrates that venality and shameless self-interest, as well as a toxic leftist-atheist ideology, runs very deep in the scientific community.

> 'Consensus science' isn't science. 'Consensus' is an attribute of politics, not science. Science inherently involves utter transparency and rigorous and respectful open debate. Real scientists welcome scrutiny and critique; the hallmark of a good scientist is that a good scientist reserves his most rigorous scrutiny for his own work. Censorship, invocation of 'consensus science' to elide scrutiny, real or threatened use of judicial coercion, and professional destruction of skeptics- which are characteristic tactics of global warming alarmists and of Darwinists- are tactics used to circumvent the scientific process.

I redacted it above, at first mention but you probably gathered from the last line that this guy doesn't believe in evolution.

He's not anti-science though, not in his mind, he's only against those Darwinist frauds.