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If your pagination interface is simply "Next", then why not skip the count all together, limit(N+1) documents, and offer the "Next" button if the result set is N+1 large?
Here's an article that was successfully deleted which I fought (successfully, obviously) to reinstate:

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dream_hampton

It was deleted because of systematic racism in Wikipedia's notability policies.

I am against those policie not because of this article, but because of all those which have been deleted on similar grounds which I will never know about.

Do you have the same disappoval of me and my beliefs that you seem I have for the OP?
If he took the review stars off, replaced them with some other element, you'd be fine with the ad?

Actually, yes.

I was looking at the ad and trying to figure out what bothered me about it. I know on an intellectual level that this isn't very different from what Google does yet the ad here slightly offended me in a way that Google SERPs do not.

I think removing the phony star ratings would have made it more palatable (to me, at least).
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That's what makes this particular discussion strange. Of all the problems Wikipedia does actually have, this isn't one of them: the system worked ok here, in a pretty straightforward way. It also lacks any evidence that the person in question was even interested in contributing to Wikipedia in the first place, except for the sole purpose of inserting a backlink to herself. Those aren't the kinds of contributions Wikipedia is most direly lacking, so when it comes to improving the community, I'd focus effort on not scaring away the people who are actually attempting to contribute things (other than self-promotion).

I did sort of chuckle when I realized this was about an SEO/SEM person, though, as I've run into this kind of angry reaction outside Wikipedia as well. If you run a private wiki/forum/whatever, it's not uncommon to run into people attempting to "organically" contribute links to themselves, who seem to think they're being very clever and incognito when in fact their contributions look spammy from a mile away, and then get extremely indignant and try to raise an internet-stink when you delete their contributions.
I think that, when it comes to deletion, Wikipedia _shouldn't_ care about the opinion of people who aren't "committed contributers". Why? Well, even if the article is undeleted (or not deleted in the first place), it still has problems with it - otherwise it would never have been in danger of being deleted in the first place. Someone needs to fix those problems, and that's much more likely if a "committed contributor and insider to the community" is advocating for it than if some random person on the internet with zero edits to their name leaves a drive-by Keep comment.

In other words, deletion isn't just about notability - it's also about gauging whether the article will be maintained. Wikipedia's procedures, while sometimes rather obtuse, serve as a first-pass filter to help gauge whether people who are Serious About Wikipedia will actually take care of the article (and of course, even if you are a person with zero edits to your name, reading up on wikipedia's procedures is a good way to prove you might actually care enough about the article to take care of it after it is undeleted).

I will admit that the user messaging feature is _awful_ however. Wiki format is not the right thing to use for a point-to-point conversation.
>> why do veterans seem to do so poorly

What are you saying that we do poorly at?

Your comments are more "confounding" to me than any war situation I was ever in.
There's always room for new entrants. What about Google overtaking Yahoo and Facebook overtaking MySpace? In hindsight it's easy to point out flaws, but at the time, each of the respective sites were their markets leader.
While I agree that it's clunky, there's something to be said for using the same functionality for articles and discussion pages. Adding a messaging system, a forum and an editable user profile would suddenly add three more interfaces for a potential contributor to learn.
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How about "Google stops catering to lazy incompetents"?
Wikipedia has enough problems with spam etc. now. I can't imagine how the dynamic would be altered if ad sales folks figured out some angle to game things.

Are you suggesting that they should do inside sales (with some sort of chinese wall); or use an ad sale agency? Would I be able to bid on specific wikipedia pages and keywords, or would it be random pages? What if I put a deceptive add on a page that was sensitive politically, in an attempt to bait people with an interest in a certain topic into some sort of targeted phising or malware attack?

I'm not familiar with web ad sales at all, is there a general rule of thumb for commoditization of traffic? Function(Unique visitors, page views, ??? ) = $x
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Can be summed up pretty easily:

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/butthurt
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Questions:

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2) What storage engine are the relevant tables using?

3) What does the execution plan show for both cases (with where id > 0 and w/out it)?
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Sure they do - it took them a while but there's comparable devices now: http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/16/samsung-galaxy-player-4-a...
Has anyone considered that maybe the types of people who become educated are also more motivated?

People who floss their teeth have a 7 year higher life expectancy. Obviously, flossing your teeth doesn't increase it.
Definitely agree that Craigslist could be a better site; but what about a better business? It seems that most of the sites that have taken on Craigslist have offered technical improvements; I.e. mobile apps and social integration.

What about non-technical innovation? What about an aggressive, real world sales force that solicits businesses?
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Notability is a bit of a misnomer. It's really a way to gauge one extremely important factor: Is it possible to verify the content of this article as correct?

Let's look at the general notability guideline (WP:GNG):

> If a topic has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, it is presumed to satisfy the inclusion criteria for a stand-alone article or stand-alone list.

That's it. Simple. Wikipedia wants sources to back up whatever's in the article, it wants significant coverage so it can actually write a decent article using this information, and it wants them to be independent to avoid bias in the source material.

Why it ended up being called "Notability", I don't know. It probably should be renamed - but anything that's sufficiently notable tends to fit this general notability criterion, and vice versa, so I guess it's a decent proxy for notability as well.
Brilliant headline.

But man, I would love to help Wikipedia optimize their campaign.

I know they work on CRO internally but on this page, for instance, I see 30%+ sitting on the table with:

a) Fix the headline - Wikimedia's headline is "From Wikipedia programmer Brandon Harris". The OP in this thread fixed by taking the very compelling first line "I feel like I’m living the first line of my obituary." Still needs an action for scanners (80% of your readers).

b) Call to Action Needs to be More Obvious - The call to action doesn't appear as a link in the copy, users will miss the box on top right. Eye @ end of article flows to the "give monthly" link. The box at the top right falls into the deadzone of visual attention. An arrow would be cheesy, but effective, as would hyperlinks in the text w/strong call to action text.

c) Edit the Copy & Formatting - The copy concept is outstanding. The formatting and paragraph structure needs to be edited down. The old "If I'd had more time i would have written you a shorter letter" - eg word economy. Could be as powerful or more-so with moderate editing. Needs sub-headlines, just something like "How can you help?" lets scanners quickly read the headline, first paragraph and jump right into donate mode.

d) Humanize Brandon - Get a picture of Brandon on there for goodness sakes. Humanizing the page with an actual image almost always works.

e) Fix Your CC Page - The click through to the donate page is bizarrely formatted with the form on the far right. Why introduce more ad-copy when somebody has indicated they want to donate? Reduce friction, don't introduce more. Better yet partner w/Amazon or somebody to process donations that's trusted and makes payments absurdly easy (PayPal doesn't count)

f) Leverage the Exit Action - I get that Wikipedia is a foundation but hit some of the basic fun commerce drivers like a little javascript exit pop like "Want to help but don't have the cash? Donate 60 seconds instead." and drive to a simple FB / Twitter screen to have people push to social on the drive.

g) Tweak your Buttons - These buttons feel like government issue desks. You might argue that this helps give them credibility as a charity to look a little off-the-shelf, but that is one of the most basic things to tweak. Build a button people can't resist rolling over, and they'll click it more and take more actions. Period.

I love Wikipedia, I want to help. Who do I go bother?

If anybody from Wikipedia is out there I am raising my hand, I want to donate time and expertise. Contact me via profile.
Searching for 'torren' is ambiguous.

If you search for 'torren' and probably any movie, song, game, book, or program, Google will probably divine your intent and give you the results for related torrents.

IMHO, if you can't manage a better query than just 'torren', you are probably a moron and don't deserve access to any torrents.
Why should that be illegal? We already have laws in place for fraud. The situation you've described could be perfectly innocent.
I addressed the thing you accuse me of deliberately ignoring in my second paragraph.

The resource constraint on Wikipedia isn't electrons; it's the time and attention of conscientious editors. Which yes, Wikipedia has. They also serve as its quality control.

Between phone books and public records, there is evidence that most of the people and all of the buildings (and plots of land) in the US exist. Would Wikipedia be better if they all had articles? How about every garage band, after-school club, casual sodality, and beloved pet?

I say no. And because of something else that people forever bitch about when it comes to Wikipedia: article quality. Unless there's enough material to make a decent article, I think deletion is the appropriate response. If somebody would like a page on the Internet where they self-document their awesomeness, they can make one on their own site.
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In fact, median is very very explicitly what you want to use, because outliers are just that and the vast majority of people aren't.

One study on UNC-Chapel Hill graduates in the 1980s said that the best-paying major was geography. Why? Michael Jordan majored in geography.
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I've worked for companies where one client has an inordinate amount of influence over the company, why... because they are the biggest client, they represent a significant percentage of the company's revenue. Market forces inevitably can create situations where a particular client is "really good" for a company, they may pay more than other companies would, etc and, if this client is lost (or even just reduces the business they give the company) serious consequences can result including laying people off, etc. Of course Wikipedia can avoid this, at least initially, by not relying on one company, going through an ad-broker, etc but its possible that at some point a situation can arise where they are faced with a dilemma (and this would probably be years into the future after an infusion of money has inevitably re-shaped the organization to some degree) where a decision has to be made to either lose a client (advertising customer) or bend to pressure from them to censor or delete something... I'm just speculating here but past experiences of mine lead me to believe something like this could occur as companies bend to pressure from their clients all the time.
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With all the dollars at play, I reckon there could be unforeseen ways to game the system. Maybe some "Enron" type will scrutinize every wikipedia bureaucratic procedure and term and condition of how the ad sales works and run some arbitarge keyword games that would distort the content in an ultimately un-usefull-to-the-user but profitable-for-the-gamer way.

I also worry about the increased tracking on politically sensitive pages or controversial topics.
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On point d, if you go to Wikipedia proper you will possibly get a banner with Brandon's face which is a link to this article. I doubt they were intending this to be linked directly, so you might want to take a look at the banner also.
Option C: Ignore it and up-vote the stories you consider worthy.
There's no use building a content indexer if there's no content to index.
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I like the idea of using some mechanism like the pagerank algorithm for notability but i worry that those random almost-obscure/niche academic subjects may not pass it. When i was in college i found that wikipedia was really helpful for getting background/links to certain lesser-known topics that would pop up in reading assignments...i haven't contributed much to wikipedia however so i don't know how they determine notability of those types of pages
Following up on this, the "sound" was actually horrible during the presentation. Less than "awesome," after the fact.

Useful nuggets of advice in there though, despite the audio issues I experienced on the stream. Would be interested to re-watch it without the constant screeching from the camera.
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I don't really understand this idea. If you want a reasonable probability of your friend/family stumbling upon your ad, you'd have to be running it for probably about 10% of pageviews. In which case you'd only be running 10 at a time, charging $50 or $100 per...what? Week? That would be < $52,000 per year of income (compare to their 2011-2012 total budget of $28.3 million). Doesn't even seem worth it for that insignificant of a revenue stream.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda_model

Note that Brandon used the term propaganda. Certainly, Wikipedia would be extremely effective as a propaganda tool.
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NPR is IMHO the best radio station in the USA, and that's how they get their funding.

If anything I think it may be the other way around - advertising is a stupid way for organizations that need to be unbiased to get their money, begging is the only way to get money with integrity for that sort of organization.
I'd go even further: even the astrology question is not a good indicator of stupidity or compatibility.

There are lots of otherwise smart people who believe in "stupid" things. For example, in Japan many people believe that your blood type is an indicator of your personality. I'm talking about educated people.

So, there are many women who are interested in astrology. Some don't really believe that astrology is scientific, but they read the horoscope column anyway. Unless she takes it seriously and makes life/relationship decisions based on it, I wouldn't consider it a deal-breaker.
Perhaps it's too much data for just a few graphs but it would also be interesting to see race, gender, and so on.
You would need a significant technological breakthrough - so you would be 1st mover of this, and apply it to a new breed of classifieds. Maybe AI or something.
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I think you have it backwards--Wikipedia actually faces (in a sense) competition from Google. With Google, I can get my information from millions of disparate sites, each specializing in some niche--if I'm looking to buy a car, I might visit ten or twenty car club websites, for example.

Without Google, there would be no good way to find all of the little, disparate sites. Wikipedia, on the other hand, is an organized, uniform collection of information; finding the right article there is much easier than finding an appropriate fan site or the like.

Google's mission is to "organize the world's information". Wikipedia's mission could just as easily be phrased as "organize the world's notable information"--there is a gigantic overlap between the two.
A few years back, the list page for "gtd software" was deleted, the data was lifted, moved to a private web page, the "gtd" page was pointed at the latter as a reference! I (strongly) suspected the private company of arranging it via a wiki-fu but couldn't prove it. Perfect example of gaming the system.
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Except it didn't. As mentioned on the AfD page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion...) she was _mentioned_ in a lot of places, but only in passing - there was no real substance talking about why she's so important, she was just quoted as saying something.

If you can refute this, please follow the very clear instructions (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review#Instr...) for doing so. For the deletion review to have any chance of succeeding, it _must_ go over some new point that the previous AfD ignored. Giving new references that are specifically about the person in question would probably work. Simply saying "but, but, she's important!!1! :( :( :(", on the other hand, won't go over well.
I would love to include project activity in stackparts too. Sadly APIs are not always forthcoming.
How about the educated / rich?
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If you mean those rituals to filter out the unmotivated, then, in fact, it does.
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I've taken it upon myself to shit on anything that hasn't been already implemented.

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That's my current proposal for routing protocol. How it works at scale, I have no fucking idea, but I'll manually write the redistribution if I have to at the aggregation nodes.
Why hasn't anyone taken wikipedia's content and put in it another mediawiki setup run without a deletionist policy?
There is no real start up, yet. But its pillars are being built, yet. And actually delivering enough of option to be sure its start will be hard to neglect.
That's interesting, I think this could help me become more familiar with which packages are popular or rising in the Python world. For a developer who's generally out of the loop such as myself, that's great.

Taking bug reports?

I checked out mysqldb. It properly took me to a page with the correct capitalization, which indicates it found the package in some way: http://pythonpackages.com/pypi/mysqldb?entry=1

However, the 'View on PyPI' link goes to http://pypi.python.org/pypi/MySQLdb which is a broken link. While the module is called MySQLdb, the package is called MySQL-python, and so page is at http://pypi.python.org/pypi/MySQL-python/

Not sure how you can work that out, but hope this helps.
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Are they opaquely documented?

I went to Google, typed in "Wikipedia deletion policy" and got what seems like some good documentation:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_policy

Imagining it from Sullivan's perspective, I read down to the bit that says "If you disagree: Take the matter to Wikipedia:Deletion review", which leads me here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review

Reading down a bit, I find this bit in bold: "This process should not be used simply because you disagree with a deletion debate's outcome [...]" which seems to directly address his condition.

I agree that one needs a basic facility with Wikipedia and Mediawiki to usefully participate, which is definitely a barrier to novices. Which certainly makes it seem murky and hard to follow. It's also somewhat stochastic; a lot of outcomes depends on who happens to show up and participate.

A lot of these problems, though, are things you personally could fix. Anybody can edit the documentation and get involved with processes like Articles For Deletion. If you think it could be better, please get involved!

And if you don't like it and won't get involved, then please keep in mind that much of Wikipedia's software and all of its content comes from volunteers. Telling people that they aren't doing enough free work for you is unlikely to improve much of anything.
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Oops! I'm too late to edit, but as is probably obvious from context, I meant to write "the article was basically untouched until September 2011".
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