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Except: editing is done by an unruly hive. There is no organizational nexus on which to place "comply or we'll withdraw our advertising" pressure. And, any attempt to apply such pressure would quickly trigger its own self-nullification via editor outrage (as with the 'Streisand Effect').

In order for an advertiser to have sinister influence, you'd need to assume a bunch of other changes which weaken Wikipedia's resilience. Advertising could be implemented in a way that helps prevent such weakening-changes from happening. And if any org could pull that off, Wikipedia could.

That said, I still understand why, given their community's biases and their success with donation-drives so far, they have not seriously considered ads in many years. Don't mess with what works is usually a good principle.
What incriminating needle? Nobody has alleged any criminal conduct. Mr. Samuels is a smart man, that's not against the law.
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Every industrialised nation in the world has benefited from the educational value Wikipedia brings. If at their next meeting the G20 countries were to donate a dollar for every schoolchild in their country then Wikipedia would have an endowment that could cover their costs for the long term.
Tax filings are not public information.
1/7 or 1/4 is a lot better than k/n^2.
The quality of technical articles on Wikipedia are second to none. Time and time again technical references have played out in personal and professional endeavours. They're clear and concise.

You've got to accept that some topics, biographies for example, are inherently subjective and can't be purely objective.

Wikipedia is the most rigorous source of 'truth' available to the masses, and the complaints of bias are about bias which may indeed be present, but are markedly subtle. Where is the source of 'truth' that's anywhere near as objective as the offerings of wikipedia?
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Yup, but the slow part of count() is the value comparison over n documents, moreso than the actual iteration. So while the point holds true, it's less of a practical concern.
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I don't understand how advertisers would in any way influence the content of Wikipedia.

I would argue that donors wield more control over an organization than advertisers.

Advertisers pay money to an organization and receive ad placement in return.

Donors (especially large ones) pay money to an organization and are more likely to ask for some sort of favor in return.
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Hahah. What a ridiculous pump and dump.
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It is frequently proposed (e.g, this from 2008: http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/wackypedia-wikipedia-for...) but I don't know of any that are even mildly successful. There are plenty of mirrors and forks, though. Naturally, Wikipedia has a list of them:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Mirrors_and_forks/All
That might end up happening, for a lot less...
yes? why wouldn't they?
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> I ask honestly: why should it be easy to participate?

Because that's a core fundamental part of wikipedia practice. That's why every page says "the encylopedia anyone can edit" and why you don't need to create an account to contribute.
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Plus there's nothing special about what they do, anyone can come along and do the same thing (Living Social, for example)
Why does Stanford keep registering /using these generic domains for their courses? It comes off as slightly arrogant.
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Hello, HN. I am not sure how to phrase my question appropriately, so I am just going to do the best I can here.

Basically, I am 27, one course shy from a degree in economics(diagnosed in 2008 with cancer). I have a passion to want understand programming, but no formal training. I am recovering from cancer again (2011 AML) and have several months-to-years (depending on how my GVHD goes) to build up some form of knowledge for a career.

If you had several months-to-years to learn something in programming, what would it be?

I know I am asking a question that only I can answer for myself. However, I need experienced people who have gone the miles and can tell me what it really takes to undergo learning on your own, and then converting that into a job.

If you could have what I have now, what would you pick and where would you go with it?
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I got a similar error on linux. How did you get it to work?
> A lone rich donor could cover the budget for an entire year, and many people who could afford that wouldn't even be mentioned in Wikipedia, so there would be little opportunity for any conflict of interest.

Isn't the risk of influence higher if a "lone rich donor" funds Wikipedia rather than hundreds of advertisers?
Perfect analogy for this asinine, laughable post. The author is a hobbyist, not a programmer: would anyone here actually trust or hire this guy with his "1000 hours" of mostly semantic knowledge to develop a real world application? I think we should incite him to build and submit a production application for community review--perhaps he can develop it in ~1 week.
Ask HN: Learn programming -- activity partners 
Several recent posts (such as http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3267133 ) make it clear that there's a pent up demand for peer help among hobbyist and wannabe programmers. Let's break sweat together on a project of mutual interest. We could start from scratch or fork a project on github. There's a place for the less and more experienced -- we all could learn from each other. I'm looking for 'activity partners' in
Seattle, and I suggest others start a branch for their locales.

About myself: I'm a structural engineer by day and father of a newborn by night. Between my day job and family duties, I find it difficult to stay focused on my programming hobby (I'm an advanced beginner in Python, here's my now defunct blog: http://presently.me ). Please drop me a line if this is of interest @ ecoconstruction at gmail dot com.
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You might feel differently if your kid had been raped, say. When you only have one principle to deal with, life is simple, but I think there are grey areas in all these issues.

Similarly, the argument to legalise drugs. Personally, I agree with the argument, but a similar demand-supply problem exists in human trafficking (e.g. child sex slavery), but there I think the laws should continue to keep the latter illegal even while it supports the high profits that human traffickers can make. What do you think?
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When I search for "torrent" on Google, the third result is The Pirate Bay, and when I search for "torren" The Pirate Bay is the first result, with a suggestion to correct the word to "torrent". Of course, as you may know, results are relative to the user profile Google builds about you.

Throughout history, all episodes of censorship
have been met with the response that the
material isn't REALLY censored

Citation needed. To me, a material is either forbidden or not forbidden. There are no gray areas.

Of course, smart governments that yield control in subtle ways, like the US government, have been using tactics like disinformation to hide the truth in a mountain of noise and I can see how Google could do the same thing. However this is not censorship.
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Ah, the good old "The English have poor command of English" argument. Nice work.
By the way, is it possible to have git add -p show uncommitted files, like darcs does?
It comes off as slightly arrogant.

It's not obvious why you consider it arrogant so may be you should explain.

I personally think it is a good idea and keeps things simple. Combining them together probably requires more coordination and thought for the product--and at the end complicating it.
The spec doesn’t make &amp valid though, it just makes it work the way browsers have always treated it. I don’t see the harm in that. “Support existing content” is one of the HTML design principles.

If you want to write valid markup, that’s great. Heck, we should all do it! But there’s a lot of invalid existing content out there that isn’t going to fix itself anytime soon.
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No, you'd pay $100, and get it displayed for a day, on, say, the front page of Wikipedia. If you're the only person who bought an ad for that day, you show up for every visitor. If more than one person bought an ad for that day, the ads are rotated. I suppose this could be done for each language.

Perhaps ads could be sold for a day on a specified Wikipedia entry, which would expand the possibility of sales, but also increases the possibility for controversy. (Imagine someone buying a birthday message for Lee Harvey Oswald to be posted on the John F. Kennedy article, or a message honoring Himmler on the Judaism page.)

No guarantee of number of page views or impressions. This wouldn't be a money-maximizing advertising scheme, so regular ad-marketing measures would be irrelevant. Avoiding such things would also keep it informal, which might cut down on "OMG Wikipedia sold out and went corporate!" angst.

It'd just be an additional source of revenue that would avoid entanglement and influence issues. If it was popular, Wikipedia could tune it to raise revenue.
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The question is worded "Do you consider astrology to be a legitimate science?". So if you answered "Yes", you're an idiot in my book.
"About two weeks ago, Jessie Stricchiola let me know that her Wikipedia page had been deleted. Apparently, she wasn’t notable enough."

Apparently, every fictional character from every forgotten TV show seems to merit their own page (see, for example, the amount of space that Wikipedia devotes to "Buffy The Vampire Slayer" and its cast of characters). It's hard to imagine why any real person wouldn't be "notable enough" by these standards.
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Yes, and how long until somebody creates a parody/fake? The domain convention would make that very easy.

(I lack the humor though... The best thing I can come up with is probably something like dadaism-class.org.)
I wonder if some of the reaction to this is with a consideration in mind, of Google's search being essential for finding things... and the threat of censorship from them affecting discoverability and cohesiveness that Google enables.
Maps; I'd like to see a map of all apartments or tag sales in a specific area, or a map of all the items I've selected.
It is easy to use. It's just not mindless to use. It's easy to drive a car, but that doesn't mean there's no initial learning. Also, where you say 'game the system', you really mean 'follow the system'.

I've made tons of correctional edits and vandal reversions on Wikipedia, and a small number of new info edits. Only one of them has ever caused a problem - that was a revert done by a bot that didn't recognise I was fixing vandalism (some previous errant edit had blown the page of a seagoing vessel out to the longest page on wikipedia by far, with ctrl+c ctrl+V). The bot that wouldn't let me revert also wouldn't let anyone comment on the talk page, and the feedback link for it was broken.

But apart from that one experience, I've made probably somewhere between 100-200 successful edits. I don't even have an account, I edit anonymously.
And I'm being downvoted because some people here feel that a link to one application shouldn't have comments recommending another?
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Arrogant how? I have no college education and I am currently developing a health application so I am extremely excited to have the opportunity to take these courses. There is nothing arrogant about this and not only do I applaud them for being the first school to do this but I hope that other schools ie: MIT etc... follow suit.
I upvoted you and I agree with what you're saying.

However, while copyright itself is an economically and morally valid concept, the current copyright law is not.

It's simply not OK for copyright protections to last for 100 years (and growing, as long as Disney is still around), when something like 10 years should be enough. It's also not OK to sue parents for singing Happy Birthday to their child in a 20 secs YouTube video. I also don't think it's OK to sue anybody for singing a song, unless he does it for commercial purposes. It's also not OK to demand tens of thousands of dollars for a single song you downloaded illegally. Or to sue children or grandmas.

Another problem is that sharing is in human nature. If you can't find a way around that (like putting a tax in every Internet connection that should take care of any illegal song or movie downloads) than it's also unjust to punish people for doing something which is in their nature (it's like punishing people for having sex).

It's not that copyright is unjust. The concept is OK, the authors need to live too. But they went way too far (and not for the benefit of the authors ;))
I know a couple of OKC founders. They are hardcore math/statistics geeks. I'm sure they realize the quality of their service matters more than making a bit of money quickly.

They are doing pretty well, considering their competitors have ads on TV.
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Reading a lot of these and previous comments on HN, it seems:

Steve Jobs, harsh policies, shiny product: Good!

Jim Wales, harsh policies, shiny product: Bad!
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I used to do that too - find the best practices and right ways of doing each new thing I came across in my projects. Although it wasn't efficient, I'm still glad I did, since it's a luxury that I don't as often have time for now as a professional. Having covered a lot of these things when it was still just a hobby has paid off, now that I can use it all again.
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i remember jason fried was having a conversation here on HN about why early investors decided to sell some part of their shares at the time of ipo , trying to say it was a normal thing to do

havent noticed any posts or comments from him in this thread though , kind of tells it ...

is he still hanging in here
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Ask HN: A 2nd Year SF Technologist's Philosophical Dilemma
Hey folks,

I'm at a personal development milestone. Something's not working.

I've been in the Bay Area going on my second year now and I'm wondering how common it is to come out here and eventually get turned off by the whole scene, in general.

Back in the beginning, I grew up as a huge nerd in the Southeast - it was always my thing. I could hide away in my bedroom and hack, as the world around me held down mostly non-technical lifestyles. When I emerged, I had a product of my own creation, mostly untainted by the scene's societal norms, that everyone around me thought was really 'neat', since they had no idea how it worked or, for the few technical people I knew, were interested in learning about it and/or were happy to teach me more. In my off time, I could resume doing non-technical things and 'blend in' and, when I was ready to again, retire to my bedroom and begin being a hacker again.

My Bay Area experience has, overall, proven to be a mostly disenchanting departure from this.

Everyone here is into tech.
There is no way 'hiding away and making an iPhone app' is your unique thing.
The instant you show your work to anyone else, you almost certainly encounter one or more of:

-a pissing contest

-criticism of implementation details or features, language choice, etc

-comparison to someone/something else far more prolific and a subsequent lack of being impressed

-or, if you've found a non-technical person to demo to, a lack of interest simply because it's not a world-changing tech like Facebook or Twitter, which is down the street

Don't get me wrong. I'm not making crap, here, nor am I a new kid on the block. I've worked at Google, Apple, and Microsoft and am currently one of two engineers at a small company you may well have seen in TechCrunch a few times.

But is it normal to be so dejected by this area that you're turned off to lots of things, entirely? And is that necessarily a bad thing or an implicit professional/personal failure, of sorts?

I can appreciate the fact the Bay Area is fast-paced, meritocratic, high stress, all of that. Those are good things!

But, operating in the Bay Area is quickly draining the love of the game from me. In fact, I often find myself considering moving somewhere slightly-but-not-mostly technical, like Austin or Charlotte (hey, I have a thing for the South, too).

Anyone else experience this roadblock? Any tips or suggestions? I'm young and an open book and you'll have my eternal gratitude.
hmm? 'Rape' has auto suggestions.

In general I dont think that consumption of child pornography is much of a crime, the harm has been done by then, and some poor sad git masturbating over a 3 year old isn't going to make it any worse.

Personally I would rather they put significant resources into catching those people who create it, than into changing search engines and blocking dns addresses so that everyone can pretend it doesn't exist.
The difference with Drupal is that there are very clearly defined rules for how to participate, clear instructions for how to do so, and new contributors are helped along in the process to get their code right, rather than being told their contribution is worthless, which is the attitude I get anytime I try to contribute something on Wikipedia.

But there are also clearly defined rules for how to participate in Wikipedia, which you just disregarded as rules made "such that only the elite who have busted their chops should be able to [contribute]". You see, if you write an article without any sources or references, badly formated, without interlinks etc, it's really of no help to us -- getting it into shape (i.e. formatting, finding sources) will take more time than rewriting it from scratch. We can create crappy articles about not notable subjects ourselves, thank you. Do you also think that Linus Torvalds is wrong with rejecting patchs which do not meet guidelines? Do you think it's unfair to make people read and care about Linux guidelines? Do you think it will make Linux a dead community?
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Looks like Danny's article on wikipedia has now come under scrutiny:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danny_Sullivan_(technologist)

"The topic of this article may not meet Wikipedia's general notability guideline. Please help to establish notability by adding reliable, secondary sources about the topic. If notability cannot be established, the article is likely to be merged, redirected, or deleted. (November 2011)"

Personally, I think the notability guidelines are pretty outrageous and wildly out of date. I mean, how long before there aren't any "legitimate publications" by their standard?
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You really want a citation for something that is obviously true? Of course in any censorship debate, there is someone that says "you can always get it through the underground, the black market, the fact that the ban isn't actively upheld, insert other similar reason". These folks are always around. Asking a citation to support that assertion is silly. Otherwise I ask you to cite support for your assertion that "a material is either forbidden or not forbidden". I'd like to point out we have courts deciding whether laws apply and whether something is forbidden or isn't covered by a specific law.
So, does education make you better at your job? My experience says that there is very little correlation between having a MS vs a BS vs no degree in the quality of work people get done, at least as a professional coder. In fact, to me, a Masters is a red flag, it causes me to give a person additional scrutiny, because of the huge glut of awful coders with Masters that I have run into.

So, in my experience, having a more advanced degree could only lead to higher income because of big companies with big HR departments, the government, and other clueless employers giving a pay differential.

I would love to see the numbers comparing someone with a PHD from Shit State, compared to a person with a BS from Princeton, compared to a person with a genius level IQ who dropped out of Berkley. Or a PHD in History vs a BS in Math.

I'm always suspicious of PHD's in industry. You don't get a PHD to go work for GE, you go work for GE when you have a piece of paper with PHD on it but can't get an academic position.

So, what I'm saying is, while education level may be correlated with income, it's not a cause, except where employers are clueless.