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It is our mistake we made them now they sell us as product
http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3293936

When I created an account with HN using Google account via ClickPass, one of the screen steps before I grant access to ClickPass, Google advised me to not grant it and if I do it I can cancel it any time which it will prevent ClickPass to access to my account information and my password.

This warning statement is not new; it’s there everywhere when you grant any application to use your Facebook, Twitter, Google ... etc accounts.

In the mean time Google Search is nothing without us, because "we are the product", they sell (us to third parties or Governments) or use our "private information" or what they told us it’s private without approval from us.

Facebook is doing same thing and that’s why their entire business model under fire in the EU. http://venturebeat.com/2011/11/28/facebook-advertising-eu/ Do you remember what happened in 2008 with Google’s Evil EULA (http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/09/03/google_chrome_eula_s...)?

Now, are we "the product" still having any privacy? Are we safe? How far we can trust those businesses?

Should we keep using their services; and later complain about how evil their Terms and conditions or EULA are???
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Yes, I was recommending it as an answer to the Android question. I should have left out the bit about the "Yammer guy". I like Scala btw.
This can work. Just based on the 150 friend cap. You are in a way forced to choose your most active, friends. Those that you actually engage with via in person, email, Facebook messages, Skype etc., on a daily basis.

There was an article floating around somewhere on the concept of having an application with only 7 or so friends and how would a user deal with this restriction. Path is in the right direction for this. Also as opposed to Facebook, since a normal user does not have "Life Events" every day, I like the fact that Path has the awake/sleep feature (no matter how trivial it sounds).
Carrier IQ openly boasted about this feature, and they admitted that they can 'probably' read your text messages if they wanted to.
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The author makes a very valid point: the modern Way of personal computing is about the controlled user experience; allowing people to get their mess all over with their own work would disrupt that Way.

Don't appreciate the crack about the 'aspie software engineer' though. Definitely not needed.
Title is arguably inaccurate; is freely distributing by the artist still piracy?
And where are you getting this 1% number from? Why are you assuming a 99% false positive rate? It's not hard to identify bogus retailers in this case because luxury brands usually have direct contractual relations with retail partners rather than selling though wholesale channels. So if you see cheap stuff.com selling 'Chanel' merchandise and they're not on the list of authorized distributors, then by definition they're selling knockoffs.
Great news. I already dedicated a key on my keyboard to open that menu.
CarrierIQ's logs are now a mighty-high-value target.

Given their denials so far it's possible they have years of logs... logs containing every password ever typed into 'most modern' Android, Blackberry, and Nokia phones.
The video didn't show any evidence of data being transferred off of the phone, besides being logged to the USB logger.

Is it possible that this is simply a tool to allow for USB debugging of the UI? Otherwise, are there details (how often, what) is getting sent back to the carriers or to this company?
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If both channels have a similar spike at the same frequency at the same time, it is probably part of the signal (not noise), so combine those, and dampen all others. This would cover your case, if the other channel had enough of the low/hi freq of the other to relate them. I reckon Shannon looked at exactly this in developing Information Theory (for telephone signals on flaky lines), and it's probably all textbook stuff now.
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He said in the article (admittedly toward the bottom) that he'd prefer people pirating using bittorrent to using spotify because at least it was intellectually honest.
They can issue to themselves all the initial coins. I suppose they can do it transparently and fairly, or in a more exploitative way to their financial advantage. (another way to make money off it!)

Not sure, but in terms of government, wasn't bringing the power to issue money away from central banks and into the government's treasury what Lincoln did with his greenback and what had him murdered? A government run blockchain would be what Lincoln would do today if he were a hacker!
Well it's accurate in that at some point, the author says piracy is a "worse is better" case because the pirate knows someone is not getting paid, whereas Spotify makes one think that artists get paid properly for their work.
That might clear things up, I haven't watched the video (too long, busy doing other stuff). Though there is this line in the text:

>From there, the data — including the content of text messages — is sent to Carrier IQ’s servers, in secret.

Not that I fully trust the accuracy of journalists, I'd just hope Wired would be mostly accurate at least.
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I've been saying for about two years now that
the days of serving entire HTML pages from the
serverside are numbered.

You'll keep saying that for another two or three years at least.

With things like Backbone, I can bring up a Rails
app without views

Backbone-style development sucked when people did it with Microsoft's MFC, it sucked when people did it with Java's Swing and it sucks right now. At least for native graphical interfaces, you have IDEs to help you out with bindings and all that crap.

Rails gives you the possibility of doing progressive enhancements, when you need them. You don't have to build an entire Backbone layer, just for updating a small rectangle on your page, when you can just render a partial in a good old-fashioned way.

But Rails isn't exactly keeping up

It's just a tool and not all of us need to build GMail. People treat Rails like it's their girlfriend or something.
If you're pushing changes to production many times a day, you can use realtime metrics to notice if anything goes awry, and know when you should roll back. It won't give you the same nuances as an A/B test over a month, but it's a great way to do a quick double check to keep things moving quickly while avoiding disaster.
I was sad to see Hypercard abandoned - I learned how to program with it myself (along with Perl & CGI apps - syntax didn't matter so much as what you could accomplish with it). But part of the reason I think is that Steve Jobs abandoned going primarily after the education market when he returned to Apple - he had already been burned by it (or become disillusioned by it) at Next, but also really Apple had already saturated the education market. He and Apple focused on the consumer market (imacs, ipods, etc.) - the business market had already been won by Microsoft. Microsoft also already had a more successful end-user friendly programming/scripting environment: Visual Basic and VBA. In case some don't know, Visual Basic was the most popular programming language in the world until overtaken by Java. VB didn't really start to significantly decline until more people developing business apps switched to C# and other languages.

Microsoft also won with a more popular tool for creating visual 'stacks' or presentations: Powerpoint. Most educators were basically using hypercard/supercard/hyperstudio to create presentations - and Powerpoint made it easier to do so.

Hypercard (and hypertalk) isn't dead though. Applescript is still around (despite Apple also trying to kill it). LiveCode and other options are still around and being updated for HTML5 & mobile platforms, as is Visual Basic, too (nsbasic). A java port of the hypertalk language is here: http://code.google.com/p/openxion/

Natural language-like interfaces aren't dead, either. Look at testing tools like Cucumber, the google search engine, Siri, and so forth. Look at all the DSLs out there that try to make Ruby/Javascript/etc. more like natural languages, at least in certain contexts.
This is not about the article, but about the page itself: can someone explain to me why you would load all the content statically, hide everything through CSS, and then show it by Javascript? I mean, I realise that I'm an exception and that most people simply have Javascript enabled all the time, but isn't it simply bad design to take the worst of both the AJAX load-everything-dynamically and the static HTML full-page-reloads-at-every-click worlds?
That's funny, I recently paid $120 for two tickets to see Death Cab for Cutie perform songs live that I've heard a thousand times before on my computer.

(I've seen them live probably 7-8 times, and have likely shelled out something around $600-700 total for the privilege. Music absolutely has monetary value.)
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Thanks for updating us. Can't you update this article?
http://hnnotify.com/

Didn't get any responses to test it yet, but they promise exactly that.
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I am in the same boat. I have not solved this problem completely but started things part time. I have been working on android apps from last three months and released few of them. Now thinking of going full time but family liabilities wont allow me to do so very soon. I hope replies to this post will help many people who are in the same situation.
I'm one of those people that buys CD's and Vinyl over mp3 or streamed music. This is how it works for me.

1. I download legal podcasts / radio shows and listen for stuff I like.

2.Then I'll maybe go an MP3 site and check I have the right stuff / listen a few times to make sure I'm happy.

3. Once I know I want the music I order the CD or sometimes if I feel like splashing out, and its available, I'll order the vinyl.

The joy I get from music and the importance it has to my happiness and productivity means I'm getting a good deal.

I have no idea if the artist gets a better deal because of it, but I hope so. The real reason I do this. MP3 sound quality is not the same and Spotify just sounds flat to me. (excluding your compressed to all fuck pop songs)

edit: Also I can honestly say, I do not have one pirated piece of music on my machine. That makes me feel good :)
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Couldn't have said it any better myself.
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if you accept the premises that:
a) the diaspora's of the world are the solution (or at least a step in the right direction)
b) the problem is that of a network effect (translation: the cold start problem)

... then one solution is for a well known, highly trafficked brand, that has nothing to lose, to implement "a".

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what if someone like yahoo which still has vast reach, but is not a player in social, took something like diaspora and promoted heavily. That would solve the cold start problem.
That was my question after watching the video as well... I was surprised he didn't try doing a tcpdump or something to see what (if anything) was actually being transmitted off the phone with each of those debug messages, though I don't know if that's possible to do without rooting it. Maybe it would be possible to get the Carrier IQ apps running on a rooted device to test this?
I never used Director, so I can't speak to that. And, by '96, I had graduated from HyperCard into C and Pascal.

But: I spent a lot of time in HyperCard, and I can assure you that the field of HyperCard complexity was not limited to just "simple back and forth stacks" or "anything truly useful beyond that". HyperCard afforded a really nice way of gradually ramping up complexity and approaching complex-on-the-outside problems with simple-on-the-inside code.

I doubt I could remember any of my own HyperCard projects at this point if my life depended on it. But, I can tell you about a HyperCard project a good friend of mine did: he called it "MusicMaker", and it came with a piano keyboard, multiple synthesizers, and its own unique musical notation system which allowed you to easily translate any sheet music into text which the HyperCard stack could synthesize and play on the piano keys. It could teach people music better than just about any other piece of software at the time. This was not, as I recall, remarkably challenging for him, and we both had a lot of fun with it.

I think any network-related programming is going to suck. Tricks of the Mac Game Programming Gurus had an entire chapter devoted to it, as I recall, in which most of the chapter could be summed up as, "OpenTransport sucks". So, I don't think it's fair to use a networking-related program as an example of a challenging HyperCard (or SuperCard) project.

> I appreciate your romantic notions to the contrary however.

(edited for snark)

Please try to keep the snark to a minimum. Thanks.
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Nevermind how they would go about determining and implementing that boundary logic.
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Not true. I collect music and pay for it 2 or 3 times a week.
I completely agree but that does not contradict my earlier definition.
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So it means you're used to following through on your curiosity, and capable of fast growth? That's at least what I'm getting out of it right now.
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It does it too when on uses ClickToFlash/ClickToPlugin Safari extension. Selecting Flash in the source selector makes it work.
Neat!

I tried to "cd images" and "cd video" and it changed to those kinds of search results. Even "clear" works to blank out the page. :)
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Hm, Matthew Ebel is being paid around $.0015 per stream while Derek Webb is getting $0.00029 per stream. I wonder why there is such a large difference? Maybe Matthew's main streamers are from Spotify paid accounts?
Women aren't the only ones who suffer from this, and I don't even know if it is something that can be attributed to all or even most women.

I remember when I worked at Red Hat, several years after being hired, I found out that there were people making half as much as me... it blew my mind. I asked for a lot when I got hired, more than I was worth, but I stuck to my guns and they gave me slightly less than I was asking.

The people who made half as much only asked for half as much. What manager wouldn't hire them if they were willing to work for half the salary? These were great people, too, by the way, they worked hard and were very skilled, but they were interoverts and were happy to take the "prestige" of working for a company like Red Hat as a sort of currency. Fuck that. Word hard, but don't aim low, ever.
congratulations to everybody on abolishing of one more instance of legal discrimination on ethnic grounds.

While it may seem like a zero sum game (as number of visas is still the same) and thus i have no idea how, yet still lets hope that like in other cases of abolished discrimination everybody ultimately wins.
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You're welcome!
Ah, didn't realize the flash / keyframe limitation. Best of luck! very cool idea.
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Whoops sorry for the accidental downvote..
>So, without this change, each group was getting treated fairly? Care to explain how multidecade wait times for the two biggest groups while the rest get visas in a matter of years is fairness?

Yes, from the perspective of the individual countries, the old policy is more fair. If you gave all of the countries of the world one vote each and had them vote, that's what you would get. However, if you gave all of the people of the world one vote, that is not what you would get as the people in the more populous countries would want their country to send more people.

As I explained, it is fair to the group not to the individual. All countries were capped at 7% of the total so large groups (and here we group by countries) would not crowd out small groups. You obviously don't like that policy.

As for the diversity argument, I am not stating wether it is better or worse. I explicitly said that it is up to society to decide that and our legislators have chosen to go with the less diversity option, so there you go. I think the fact that it will cause a reduction of diversity - diversity in the sense of what country immigrants come from, not cultural diversity - in applicants is indisputable. It is important to understand the consequences of our choices and this is one of them.

Also, I didn't lump all of India's diverse cultures into one group, India (and I guess the British and French) did. The grouping is done by country because that's how immigration laws and treaties work. I am fully aware of the cultural diversity in India.
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Maybe a next step could be a video app which had some kind of time code embedded in the resulting video - for much easier syncing.
I suppose depth is in the eye of the beholder. That's pretty much it: to build a Lisp out of vectors you need numbers as primitives. To build a Lisp out of cons cells you don't.

Follow-up exercise: do you need numbers to build a Lisp out of associative arrays? (Hint: this is not a trivial question to answer.)
Spreadsheets are arguably a "trivialized programming environment".
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COMPLETELY unrelated, but I do wonder - is this the most upmodded submission here on HN? I know reddit has the /top/ modifier you can add to links (e.g. http://www.reddit.com/r/askscience/top/), but I was unable to find anything similar here.
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A Java vs Scala post is far more interesting to me than discussing the "shut up about the tools and just work" thesis.
A lack of places or methods to share is not a problem I have, either.
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I'm not sure if this was genuine, joking, or accidentally the result of a lack of study in political science and social relations, but let's be clear on this point:

People do not work out their differences through the marketplace.

The market is a social relation in which people are put to the task of serving the interest of capital—and capital alone.

What Americans call a democratic government is a minority ruling class serving the interests and goals of capital and the market, regardless what it costs the majority. The ruling class doesn't want government to solve too many problems—they want it to solve the problems of capital, allowing brief pauses only where the majority threatens capital's current relations as to necessitate throwing the majority a bone of reform to quiet things back down.

All that to say let's be careful thinking, much less suggesting, people work out differences in the marketplace. It's the wrong forum. Submitting our needs to the market is nothing more than offering those needs up for exploitation in the interest of financial returns.

The market will not solve this problem unless, and only if, it is found to threaten the interests of capital, diminishes surplus value, and then the government will back off. People need to stop believing that a government who exists to protect capital is going to defend the people against the loss of unprofitable or dangerous freedoms.

Want to get the government to make a change? Convince them this harms the market (well, that's the most cynical suggestion given the current state of things). Better yet? Subvert and support eliminating the power of the market itself to control government.

You're right "we need leaders who value liberty and want to reduce the size and scope of government." You're wrong suggesting this has anything at all to do with the marketplace. The market created the enormous edifice of governmental machinery we have today to protect itself. Government isn't the source of the problem. It's the servant, the tool, and the scapegoat.
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When they take into account fair use, they take the entire case into account, rather than following any hard and fast rules saying that using X% is "fair."

In other words, no, there's pretty much no way they'd buy any attempt to game the system so transparently. That's why you need a lawyer.
Hm, is there a Web platform for musicians to give away their music away in return for the fans' social info? With an added feature of discovering new music and artists?

If not, maybe someone could start it up. This field is definitely ripe for disruption.
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