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>This change means that each person gets treated fairly (in the mathematical sense) but each group does not.

So, without this change, each group was getting treated fairly? Care to explain how multidecade wait times for the two biggest groups while the rest get visas in a matter of years is fairness?

How is first-in first-out not more fair compared to discriminating on national origin?

> It will certainly reduce the diversity of the types of people getting visas as more populous countries crowd out less populous ones.

Not really. Employment based visas are a small fraction of the number of visas awarded each year. Diversity doesn't make much sense for employment based visas because companies hire based on need and employee talent, not race or language.

Not to mention that India is so diverse with race, languages and culture that it's called a sub-continent. Lumping them into one 'group' like you did doesn't make much sense. Countries don't directly map one to one to diversity.
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The idea I'm talking about should provide a single consistent audio signal. I know nothing about audio processing, but it seems like it should be possible to take multiple bad audio signals and combine them into one signal that's better than any constituent audio source. Perhaps one audio source captured low frequencies well, while another captured higher frequencies better.
I'm going to give the benefit of the doubt to HTC, Verizon, and even Carrier IQ here: I don't think any of them wanted a keylogger running on all these phones (at least, not to this extent). It's likely just a big misunderstanding between the companies.

But, just because something like this was able to sneak it's way onto there, it does give the Microsoft (WP7) and Apple model of strict control some validity that it might be beneficial to users. I wouldn't expect to see something like this on WP7, where carriers get only a separate category in the Marketplace and for manufacturers, (I believe) only Nokia can add applications. (Same for iOS, where it's all Apple, but WP7 proves that the secure model could possibly work for a more distributed ecosystem like Android.)
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Not to be pedantic, but I would have appreciated the title giving an indication of the House of which country made this vote.
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I once made the mistake of expressing this opinion (i.e., that airport security is pure theatre, completely irrelevant, and isn't making anyone safer) on a shuttle for a high-tech software company.

I guess I kind of assumed that software engineers would be natural skeptics, and predominantly liberal to boot.

Well, nope, that wasn't a safe assumption at all. I had 2-3 people agree with me enthusiastically, 4-5 argue passionately about how the terrorists would win if we let up, and the rest of the bus just stared like me like I just transmogrified into Osama himself for daring to suggest such a thing.

So yeah, if the a supposedly scientific, data-driven, skeptical population broke down like that, I'm not surprised that this sort of thing is happening without much resistance. And it's for this reason I hold nearly no hope that any of these abuses will ever be curbed.

The only question I really want answered is: when did America turn from being such a badass, never running away from a fight, to such cowards, willing to do anything, give up anything, for one iota of perceived safety?

This was in 2009 FWIW...
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It's 'fair' for the groups in the sense that each group gets to send in an equal number of people per year.
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When I created an account with HN using Google account via ClickPass, one of the screen steps before I grant access to ClickPass, Google advised me to not grant it and if I do it I can cancel it any time which it will prevent ClickPass to access to my account information and my password.

This warning statement is not new; it’s there everywhere when you grant any application to use your Facebook, Twitter, Google ... etc accounts.

In the mean time Google Search is nothing without us, because "we are the product", they sell (us to third parties or Governments) or use our "private information" or what they told us it’s private without approval from us.

Facebook is doing same thing and that’s why their entire business model under fire in the EU. http://venturebeat.com/2011/11/28/facebook-advertising-eu/
Do you remember what happened in 2008 with Google’s Evil EULA (http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/09/03/google_chrome_eula_sucks/)?

Now, are we "the product" still having any privacy? Are we safe? How far we can trust those businesses?

Should we keep using their services; and later complain about how evil their Terms and conditions or EULA are???
> This doesn't seem to be anything special about Hypercard.

Tell that to the thousands of otherwise non-programming people who developed real, useful applications (some of them best-selling) in Hypercard.

> it's going to be something else over the JS/CSS/HTML stack

Like building a castle on a swamp. Foundations matter: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=55
URL biased as hell, its from Microsoft Technet
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I'll pass along the same advice verbatim that I received over 20 years ago, from the dean of my school's MBA program ( I was in his undergrad entrepreneurship class ), when I asked about MBA as path to entrepreneurship.

His advice was to instead spend time working for the smallest possible companies after college for as long as I could stand it, and get a breadth of exposure about running and growing a business. His take was that an MBA was training ground for large corporate positions where they wanted highly qualified candidates. And that even w/o getting an MBA, working for large companies after ungrad would put you on a track for specialization where you wouldn't be in a position to see the big picture, or able to make big decisions/mistakes for a long time.

I took his advice, got a lot of great experience at a few very small companies where the exposure and mentorship was invaluable (and the breadth of forgetful and thankless tasks was endless). And that experience came at a severe earnings discount for 5-10 years compared to my contemporaries who went straight to bigCo and big paychecks. But once I learned enough to take leadership roles at several subsequent companies, the tables changed dramatically on the earnings.

My advice beyond that to you as a non-technical entrepreneur just starting is perhaps consider not working for a pure startup where it will be mostly engineers fighting to find product/market fit, but instead look at small/growing firms that need sales/bus dev/marketing help, and start there, since you'll have an opportunity to be exposed to the full picture of a going concern. Learn everything you can to excel at your craft, spend extra time learning as much tech as you can, then apply all that to a raw startup later potentially with folks you meet along the way.

Best of luck!
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There's no --inner_details, or --soul switches on my version of cksum. How will I know if the files I transfer over this cable retained their essence or not?!
Quite a few things are detectably similar to Hypercard. Even MS Visual Studio.

None of them have the love-at-first-sight appeal. Most seem like an unbearable ordeal once you've used the real thing.
> Mikhail Kalashnikov did not regard the 74 as an
> improvement.

Does that mean that it really wasn't an improvement? First you argue that popularity defines success, but then you switch gears and appeal to the inventor's opinion.

Seems like the True Scotsman fallacy. If someone had upgraded the HyperCard, but the original creator(s) felt it wasn't an improvement, would you argue that it wasn't a "true HyperCard."
As hilarious as this article is, I do not think it belongs on HN.
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Nothing special, other than the fact that you could program a game like Myst in it.
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I think the DFW was a little melodramatic here. I don't think the commitment to true excellence necessarily detracts from other possible commitments in the long run. E.g. DFW was a writer of singular ability, and he was, at various points in his life, dedicated to tennis, philosophy, and mathematics.

More to the point, the time spent being great at CS doesn't seem to have limited this guy's future ability to do things like work at a startup. While I'm sure it was an unbalanced life during the period of dedication, suggesting that it's the dedication itself which reduces athletes to "shockingly vapid and primitive comments" goes a little far.
Few news articles (even on HN) 'move' me, but this one did. To all those whom were among the best at a popular game, you understand.

Some interesting comments: like whether playing CS, or any other game, is "worth it." I agree with kejadlen, "does it make you happy?" Though heroin, at some point in time, makes addicts "happy." One thing is for certain though, the feeling of mastery gets harder and harder to find later in life, at least with regards to professions or wealth.
A bit of trivia: MYST, the CD-ROM game, was first shipped for the Mac and written entirely in HyperCard (with a few custom extensions to load the color graphics as quickly as possible).
I'm not one who hates on new things just because they're change, but I hate this already.

Windows 95 brought us the Start Menu. This is a Google Start Menu. It's based on hierarchical menus that are fiddly to navigate, especially if any terms are long and you have to stay in a narrow row to not have it undo your last movement. You have to move to the top, select something, move down, then if there's a sub-menu, move right. Why not make it e.g. a 3x3 grid so I have to move less with fewer errors and the blocks can be bigger, and you can add more default icons without it scrolling halfway down the screen?

Besides, everyone knows clicking the logo takes you to the root page. Why are Google retraining all future users to expect an X-bar on our websites? Now, they can't trust what will happen when clicking that. It could be a menu, it could take you off the page, what will it do?

And it still chooses the dumbest things as my defaults. Youtube? I've never, ever clicked on Youtube from there. Ever. Why show it to me? Give me Calendar, which is now on the sub-menu. Don't show me Search because I've never clicked on that, I just hit ctrl-t and type a phrase in a new window. [edit] and Reader is hidden but + is everywhere? Someone isn't measuring clicks, I'm thinking.

Win95, I blame you.

[edit2] at least let me drag and drop stuff like I could in 1995, so I can rearrange the defaults.
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The "natural" language is actually the weakest part.
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Along these lines, have you seen http://springbase.com?
So tens of billions of dollars in sales per year for music is "almost nothing"? By such logic Amazon.com and google "almost" don't exist at all.
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We've actually thought about this, but it's a low yield proposition until we've shown there's a market for what we have now. It's not impossible, but it is very hard to do :)
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This wasn't meant to be a general statement about the opinions of original creators.

I happen to respect that particular inventor (Kalashnikov). And I agree with the reasons he gave. (Going into them here would be going too far off subject. Google is your friend.)
It's not about super large farms, it's about the industrial machine that has taken over small and large farms, in order to receive subsidies and remain competitive. "Small farmers are often absorbed into factory farm operations, acting as contract growers for the industrial facilities." (Wikipedia) These are still considered independent farms in the census I believe.

Corn and Soy Beans account for by far the majority of crops. http://www.epa.gov/agriculture/ag101/cropmajor.html (a little outdated). Have you been to a corn / soy bean farm? Visit one and ask the farmer if he enjoys his job, and how much he makes (many are in the red). Small or large, the specific crops and tactics are pretty much identical and probably don't fit our picture of the ideal farm.

Livestock farming is even worse. Most of the farms are only briefly involved at the beginning of the animal's life then shipped off to a feedlot. "In 1967, there were one million pig farms in America; as of 2002, there were 114,000, with 80 million pigs (out of 95 million) killed each year on factory farms as of 2002" (Wikipedia). It's the same story with beef and poultry.

I finally got around to reading Omnivore's Dilemma, and it's extremely depressing to say the least. Especially when it comes to factory farming. Sustainable / local farming is a small glimmer of hope though.

We're way off topic now and I have no idea what I was trying to say that relates in any way to the original discussion...
Thanks for taking the time to reply Brett. It's a really cool technology, can't wait to see where it goes.
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> The people who want to fuck us out of our freedom are people we keep electing

A big part of the problem is that, no, they aren't elected. Not a single position in the TSA is elected. Nor the EPA, or OSHA, or IRS, or any of twelve dozen other agencies who heap mounds and mounds of their own productivity-sapping laws on everybody. Who votes for that garbage? I didn't and nobody else did.

Electing Congressional representatives is too far indirectly removed from this process. Each vote for a representative is the amalgamation of dozens or hundreds of other issues. Congress functionally has free rein to do anything it wants with the TSA and all the other bureaucracies, because they just aren't important enough to cast your precious single vote compared to hotter-button and directly life-relevant issues (abortion, Social Security, immigration, take your pick.)

How can we vote down a TSA action like this with such an indirectly removed vote? What if I like the rest of my representative's opinions but abhor the TSA, how can that be expressed in a single vote? It's a frickin year until the next election, do you think even 1%, never mind 50%, of voters in my district will remember and care about this then?

In some sense, representatives are obsolete. The technology certainly exists now for a much more direct form of interactive democratic government, where we could individually vote on things like the TSA. But how would the current system of elected representatives ever yield to direct democracy? How would even one, never mind 220, representatives ever be in favor of eliminating their own power and positions? Remember that the districts themselves are drawn by the two parties in power (there's no difference) to keep those two parties in power. It's 1984, the governmental structure has created and warped the system to keep itself in power for perpetuity. Overturning it is literally not possible. The system itself, like Newspeak, prevents even the expression of doing so: How do I vote to not have a Congress anymore?

(Dang, I hope this isn't one of pg's honeypot karma-eating politics threads.)

(Edited a few times to phrase myself better, especially about those indirect votes.)
I think the whole point here is: build APIs first, wrap all the client code around them. If I have an API written in Ruby/PHP/node.js/Java/whatever, and a standard format (or protocol) to exchange data, I can then build the clients in Ruby/PHP/node.js/Java/whatever, clearly separating the backend and the frontend which can now be built in completely different ways using different technologies.

This is not new. There are lots of system out there built on top of private/public RESTful (XML/JSON/whatever)/SOAP APIs. There are both huge and small applications on top of distributed, stateless, components that clients can easily consume and that makes the whole architecture highly scalable (again: stateless). People can do this on HTTP, TCP, UDP or on TheirCoolProtocol.
Thanks Ian, for the feedback and also for adding an event. I just saw those come through on the back end. We've put the processing on hold for the moment until the load becomes manageable - hope that's cool. We'll email you when they're up.
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I think he's more of a crackpot than a troll (and I think the difference matters).
This is CD Audio with two different camera sources, edited and synced. Is that what you're talking about?

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An interesting test would be if there was a way to expedite the processes. Say pay more and it gets rushed and wait time is now only one or two years. Would employers do that or not? Otherwise aren't they actually interested in prolonging the process artificially ("Oh yeah our lawyers are working on it, get back with us in 5 years..." kind of attitude).
...stupid.

I really don't think name calling is necessary. I mostly try to read HN without reading names, but some people, like grellas, earn a reputation by repeatedly making insightful comments. Plus, I don't think any of us here deserve to have our opinions called "stupid." You've been here a bit longer than I have, so I know I don't have to remind you, but in case others are reading, let's try to be slightly more civil.

As an aside, this is the second post I've made in as many days defending the comments of HN regulars. It almost sounds like I'm trying to appeal to the local "cool kids" for some strange reason, but in reality I just don't want to see some of HN's valuable contributors chased off by lowering the level of discourse when things get tense.

This exchange between Arrington and jwz strikes at the heart of the mythos that drives the HN community, so I realize things can get heated. As a startup founder myself it made me think carefully about some of my goals. Let's not allow that to lower our standards.
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It's not really fair when the size of the groups varies wildly.
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to be fair, my project (and actually another project before mine - https://github.com/getify/HandlebarJS) existed before wycats's. i'll prolly change it if i ever decide it needs publicity.
I disagree that selling to professors is a bad idea. Personally, I suspect it is the only way to enter the market. Now I doubt that if a University approches you and asks to buy your product that you'd turn them down, but that will not happen until you've proven you have a much better product. You will never convince a whole University to switch to your new product unless it, works exactly the same in every-way, better in every way, and migrates in 10 minutes. There will be people who know Blackboard and oppose it because they don't want to have to learn a new system. Furthermore, it is unlikely you will convince a University to buy both Blackboard and your product.

The only people you could convince to buy your product are individual professors (or small departments) who hate Blackboard, which according to a quick survey is near 100%. Now many perhaps most are not willing to spend money for a class but there is a sizable percentage of professors that do care about teaching and would be willing to spend their own time/money to improve their students education. Even if a professor is acting selfishly Blackboard is such a pile of crap I see some professors paying money to not have to interact with it on a daily basis.

(On a side note my classmates wrote a program called Ben in High School back in the early 2000's that was used by the whole school, it was better than Blackboard. So I have a special personal hatred of the towards it.)