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You raise an interesting point, and I agree that motivation is largely about what's important to me. This is likely an overgeneralization on my part, but I see life as full of things that I will have to do which don't really have a point. At least all the way through college it's been that way, always the hope that there's less bullshit at the next level and always the disappointment.
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The founders of Dropbox seem like some very bright guys though. How relaxed were they in college? And also in reverse: when those top violinists will start performing their lives will also go from hotel to hotel, playing the same pieces every night..

Success is hard to do work. But that is something completely different than studying.
That's exactly right. It's bizarre how people believe they can improve their business by being dicks.
Guys, you don't have to vote something into oblivion just because you don't agree with it. lpolovets is making their point in a civil way.
I don't think Yahoo Japan is any more dense or cluttered than regular Yahoo. Maybe it's just the unfamiliar characters giving that appearance?
Software is what America makes -- from the point of view of trade this is no different than a tariff to protect a local industry.
Audience, and also variance of product. The product images shown in the test are extremely similar, reducing the effectiveness of any arrangement that emphasizes visuals over details.

Amazon grids don't always use images that are quite as effective at indicating discrete products as the book-cover screenshot you've linked (just try browsing through headphones), but for a surprisingly sizable portion of their catalogue image-oriented browsing is both effective and enjoyable.

People like looking at pictures - but showing effectively the same picture over and over again for different products makes me (as a user) feel like I'm wasting time at best, mislead at worst ("the items in this list of unique things can't possibly all look the same in person, can they?")
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Maybe they'll come in, then leave as soon as they're all settled in.
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I run a site and have managed to front page off and on over the last few years and yes "the Digg effect" isn't what it use to be. The current crew is trying their best, but the site was a neglected child for a bit too long. Although I will say that there is still a loyal community there.
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Leo Babauta has an interesting claim on this that discipline therefor is a myth: http://zenhabits.net/discipline/.

In the light of the article: those kids must at least get the organization and scheduling part of their lives from their parents.
No, we are not really talking about unvested shares to be earned in the future. We're talking about unvested shares. These are shares that employees have already been paid. This payment is contingent upon the employee continuing to work at the company. Zynga is in effect blackmailing these employees. They are telling them "Give us this money we promised you, or we'll fire you."

The idea behind putting together a plan to keep early employees highly motivated is that you all work hard to grow the company, and in return for the risk and hard work you stand to make a lot of money. That's the whole idea behind tech startups. To grow the company and then tell these employees they don't get the rewards promised them the entire time they have worked there is ridiculous. It violates the entire idea behind vesting shares, which if it is unclear, is that you have already earned those shares. It's merely a matter of when you gain access to them.
Maybe bureaucracy?

When I think about starting a company in Germany, the amount of paperwork I'd have to file is the first thing that comes to mind.
The justification is that you can fire people who are underperforming.

France has had huge problems recently because they have strong 'workers rights'. The problem is that the unemployment rate for young people is huge because there is no movement of labor capital. In general the entire economy gets gummed up from a lack of labor movement. Also, businesses have to subsidize the costs of retaining their worst workers.
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Expensive food at all the Tom Douglas restaurants, maybe. But since you've left a dozen food trucks have come to the neighborhood: http://www.seattlefoodtruck.com/index.php/by-neighborhood-2/... – the variety is pretty good now!
First, "at will" doesn't mean "for any reason at all." Second, there is potential breach of the employment contract.

Oracle lost a case around 2000 where they were forced to compensate someone wrongfully terminated for her unvested stock options. Other cases have been designed against the company on the grounds that firing someone just to screw them out of their options violated the implied covenant of good faith and fair dealing in the employment contract.

I think there is a colorable claim here. The law isn't as cut-and-dry as you're assuming.
Yep, 100% correct.

Although in this case, my justification is - the 'distance' between this product listing and an actual purchase is maybe 4 steps total (ie. view product, add to basket, give details, pay), and there are decreasing response percentages at each step. If I tried to measure actual sales with my current tool the test would take much much longer to conclude. Rest assured, I've got AB tests running elsewhere in the process too :)
Well, Amazon uses the list-view in their search results. Never noticed this but now I assume that if they do it then it's been tested and deemed better.
They can't. Pincus isn't an obstacle in the way of the company. Pincus is the reason Zynga is successful.

Without the aversion of innovation, the complete disregard for ripping others off, and partnerships with incredibly shady companies, Zynga would not be anywhere close to where they are today.

A business in the theme of Zynga needs the unscrupulous head honcho who can't care less about what's right, only what's profitable. Get rid of Pincus and Zynga sinks like a rock.

Let's be honest, if you take Zynga's games, strip out the blatantly psychologically manipulative bits, inject some real fun into there, and actually spend some money on innovation... none of it would be profitable.
Not really. I have the number for 5 years and I don't have to pay a dime for it again until the renewal. Plus once it forwards the call it goes off their switchboard so I don't have a problem with the miserable call quality magic jack is famous for. Who knows if I'll renew(or if the company will even be in business) when the time comes but until then I've got a number anyone can call effectively for free.
At multiple times I did not know what it did. Had to reset/manually modify "#slideXX" ..
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I think I would rather be sacked outright, and if I were really trying to recapture those shares that is probably what I would do as well. Even if you get an employee to stick around after this, the hit to morale is such that it's almost certainly better for both parties that they go somewhere else anyway. Especially in this case where you're telling the person they aren't pulling their weight.

Of course, the best option is not to be such a stupid asshole, but that's not practical in every case, as we see here.
cool - well when it is live, I'd love to see it, and AB test results!
Bottom line -- if Zynga feels that an employee is not pulling their weight, they should let the employee go for that reason alone. Stock should never enter into the equation and the fact that it has shows that Pincus' motivations are not as pure as he'd like people to think.
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>And pre-IPO options are better than post-IPO options.

Not if they decide to take yours back so they can get more money. pre-IPO options with Zynga are worth nothing.
I'd imagine this depends a lot on what you are displaying. In this case there is no significant visual difference between the products, and you have to read the text to find out what it actually is. Then I can see having the text in a list would be more natural.

In cases where there is enough visual difference between the products so that they can be distinguished between without any text, then I think a grid is probably a better layout since you can compare more products at a time. So while the results are certainly interesting, I don't think I would try to generalize them too far.
You are right. On my system it's being automatically substituted from another font, even in character map applications.
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there are always people willing to believe that they won't be screwed out of their options because they deserve them more than those lazy early employees.
If I've understood it correctly, the smaller your sample size, the bigger the difference you need between response rates. So if the difference is 60%, then a sample of 30 people can be statistically significant. But if you're looking for a 5% improvement on something, you'll need to sample a large number of people.

I just used this:

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Not exactly. Amazon uses list view if you do not select a department for your search. As far as I can tell, they use grid view if you do select a department. There must be something to that. I'd love to learn more about this if anybody has done extensive testing here.

Edit: It looks like there may be exceptions to the grid view within departments (see "Amazon Instant Video", "Books", and "Video Games").
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What this is getting at is that start-up world is run on 'winner takes all economics' (look it up).

Companies that win rarely have products and marketing that are 1000x better than those that fail. But the difference in the payouts can easily be in that range. Incidentally this is why it is worth it for people in a startup environment to work seemingly crazy hours.

The founders and equity owning employees of the winning team are getting an incredibly high payout for being slightly better, or slightly more lucky.

We as a society accept this trade-off as being a necessity for innovation and overall economic growth.

In short: If the chef on the winning pirate ship doesn't deserve his share of the loot then neither does the captain.
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"Kitchen Confidential" describes exactly what you're talking about; it's a fantastic book (published in 2000).
Might I suggest adding at least this sentence to the training set:
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Your Policizer happily tells me that the sentence means "They DO NOT sell your private information."
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That's a useless oversimplification of the problem. Such immediate solutions have enormous pitfalls.

For example, in Europe, cocaine got significantly cheaper and rather easy to find. This led to a a considerable increase of its popularity during the last three years or so. Cocaine is starting to take 'market' from cannabis based drugs which are much less dangerous and carry much softer consequences.

'Legalize drugs' is a too naive statement, the drug situation needs to be carefully analysed and adequate solutions need to be put in practice based on as much factors as possible.

That said, generally, in developed countries I think consumption decriminalization is a positive thing at present time. It makes room for advances in thins like hygiene, medical treatment of addicts, etc. without creating easier access to drugs.
You are right.

The author should plug the numbers in here: http://www.usereffect.com/split-test-calculator

I'd go as far as to consider the data to be worthless without the confidence value
A pretty lame translation, I say.
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> Web design at the moment feels like desktop computers before GUI's became standardized. Why does a menu look different on every site?

Exactly. As a user I don't really care how a menu looks like on a ecommerse site. As long as I get a good deal.
It is astonishing how many types of vertical dashes there are.
I disagree. OP mentioned Tea Party ill-advisedly. Tea Partier got upset and felt like he had to defend the Tea Party before saying not to bring political arguments up on HN. If you don't want to see political arguments on HN, don't participate in them.
I wouldn't have a problem with a startup janitor taking home $20M in a stock payout.

A rising tide should lift all boats, not the boats they specifically select with hindsight.
This analogy isn't correct with regard to future periods, vesting is concurrent with your participation (contribution and effort). The trigger for earning the bonus is not if the company is in business that year, but if you were a member of the company and contributed during that period to earn the bonus. The issue at hand is mid-stream renegotiation of the future un-earned bonuses.
I see. The brits could probably get agreement X that allows norwegians to live in Berlin although they aren't EU citizens.
I certainly DO hope that some backup tapes go out of the building. Offsite backups are a good thing.
It's not really that simple, though I agree the Tea Party has nothing to do with this.

The problem with the Tea Party is pretty much identical to the problem with the Occupy movement - it's ill-defined. The purists would claim that Tea Party is about small government, like the Occupy movement purist would claim that it's about restoring bank regulation. But at this point both movements, being more or less leaderless, have grown wildly beyond the confines of the people that started it.

Like #Occupy, the Tea Party IMO has become an easy label and an easy rallying cry for whatever ails you. What started as a movement for small government has also attracted economic reformers, people who don't like taxes, freedom of speech activists, McCarthyan anti-communists, social darwinists, and yes, plenty of racists too who just aren't very happy about that black guy. Go look at what people are carrying and yelling at Tea Party rallies, and you'll see plenty of all of the above.

Similarly, go look at an Occupy rally and you'd have trouble telling what they stand for, even approximately. We have economic reformists, anarchists, environmentalists, black bloc hooligans, people who want to lynch all bankers, anti-corporate types, militant anti-corporate types... Some people want corporate power reigned in, an equally large contingent seem to just want the end of capitalism.

Both movements are really just a sea of disparate interests groups trying to pretend they represent some kind of unified voice.
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The fact that in this case the founder alone has 20% of the stock (after multiple investments & dilution), has 40% of the vote share, and is probably talking about < 5% given to early employees. And his investors are gaga about him, and super unlikely to take control away from him.

If he gives away 5%, he will still have 15% of the equity, 30% of the voting share, and retain complete control of the company. Or he could issue 5% addn shares and dilute everyone equally by 5%.

Now he just looks like as ass.
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So essentially what you are saying is, that someone can hire with a promise and a contract that they will paid less now, but be compensate through stock later. Under the premise that the employee will have to do all the work required for the company's success, give his full. The company expects the employee, to take the risk of loosing money through lesser monthly salary and loosing out money on stocks(which happens if the company doesn't do well), but yet not sacrifice even a atom worth work in effort.

And yet when the company is successful, now the company feels it has rights to dump the employee and deny all the compensation for work, risk and lesser monthly pay.

And all this for what? Because you suddenly realize that somebody whom you had promised to pay is getting big money. And you feel out of your own self elitist attitude that he doesn't deserve it, then you decide to dump him so that you can pocket money instead.

Seems like classic tissue example to me. People being used and thrown. Promised, money so that you can work hard to make the company successful. And then when the company is done squeezing the last drop of juice out of you making money. Dumping you, as they no longer need you.
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I've been using Go for the AI challenge, and it's been an awesome experience. I feel like I'm programming in Python (well, almost), but then I head to the forums and I see all these Python programmers discussing how to tweak their programs so that they don't time out. Mine runs in a few milliseconds with no particular effort.

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If you're going to A/B test something, you need to reduce the variables down to one. For all you know, the supposedly 'pretty' framing and box-shadow you added to the grid layout may actually be what's causing customers to prefer the flat list.

Testing multiple variables in a given trial makes it impossible to discover which change (or combination thereof) actually improved the conversion rate.
Lets not forget, the basis of their business is that they found a way to replicate the economics of a slot machine without falling under gambling regulation and without ever having to pay out real dollars.
It is still the same business though.
As a former game developer I am shocked by the fact that people buy their image as a gaming company. They have about as much to do with computer games as roulette has to do with Settlers of Catan.
Users will choose the product all their friends use over time. That's the nature of this market. At this stage, almost any growth for G+ is impressive.
This is quite important. You'll probably have the brightest kids isolated from the group and practicing at their own pace with their own rules and thinking.
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If the Zynga story is as reported it is beyond despicable.
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There's a metaphor, I believe by Stallman, about programs being much like recipes that just came back to mind. Probably that's what makes this comparison so vivid.
Yeah, it's a blunt tool. The next planned test is to 'prettify' the vertical listing and see what happens.
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Will this work ? As mentioned, its in international waters outside the jurisdiction of the United States. Any gangster or real pirates can just board their ship and wreak havoc ?

They'll need security staff to protect the ship then ?
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Yes, but the odds of having 20 million drop from the sky in front of you are zero. Even people winning the lottery have to buy a ticket first and even then, the chances are greater for being hit by a car the next day.

So there's a huge difference between that and investing your time and skill in something based on making educated guesses. Which is why I wouldn't call it luck.

Also, wealth is relative. Some people simply don't care that much about money if they earn enough to live comfortably, especially since pursuing money is in general painful for everybody.
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Amazing article acangiano! Specially loved the graph...It just shows that the people who believe that success lies in their own hands end up being wealthier and more successful!

I am an Indian. Yes the last column in the bar and I can totally understand what u mean about countries sucking at start up games. There is a negative mindset people have towards building new businesses. The safety and the boredom of a government job is much more appealing to them. Makes me sad...
Nice insight Chris, hope things are going well in China!
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