> So you just shifted the goal posts, huh? First you cared about killing a sentient being, now you care about their suffering.

FYI, the definition of suffering is: "to endure death, pain, or distress". So if you kill an animal, it will suffer.

And why do you keep comparing animals to potatoes? As noted before, it's a scientific fact that plants are not the same as animals. They don't have pain receptors or a central nervous system. Most probably the reason why they didn't evolve mechanism to 'run away'.

Here is another thought experiment for you. If you had to choose between the following 2 jobs, which one would you choose. Please answer if you can:

A) Work on the kill floor in a slaughterhouse. To quote a former slaughter house worker "the one thing you can never really understand unless you’ve been there – is the smell. The blood, such an acrid, thick scent, it feels like it physically travels inside your nose and stays there.

The fear has its own scent. It’s not something I could put into words, but even now, I would recognize it. It’s physically hard too.

These animals know what’s coming, and believe me, they fight against death with every fibre of their being."

B) Work in a vegetable or fruit processing plant.

FYI, slaughterhouse workers suffer from PTSD. MMA fighter Mike Bisping worked in a slaughterhouse and couldn't last 2 weeks.

So, could you work on the kill floor? If not - why pay others, who might not have any other option - just so we can have our meat.

> No, that's not what those organisations say. What they say is that a "well-planned"

Well planned simply means choosing plant-based foods that provide the nutrients you need. Same counts for meat eaters. Meat eaters have been advised to supplement D3.

And according to the article you linked it says:

"Most vegans consume enough B12 to avoid clinical deficiency. Two subgroups of vegans are at particular risk of B12 deficiency: long-term vegans who avoid common fortified foods (such as raw food vegans or macrobiotic vegans) and breastfed infants of vegan mothers whose own intake of B12 is low."

It says most vegans have no problems. Some who are on a raw fruit / veg diet - yes they lack nutrients and need to supplement. So using that very small group to back up your argument that a plant-based diet is unhealthy is dishonest.

Supplementation is easy. Just eat fortified foods or consume B12, which is extremely cheap to buy.

> Vegan diet are not healthy.

Your statement goes against many nutrition experts. Not only is a plant-based diet healthy, it can also prevent chronic diseases.

The Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics with over 112,000 members is one of the largest organization of food and nutrition professionals. Here is their stance on plant-based diets:

"Vegetarian and vegan diets are healthful, may prevent and treat chronic diseases, and are better for the environment [...] not only are vegetarian and vegan diets appropriate for all stages of the life cycle (pregnancy, infancy, childhood, etc.), but they also help reduce the risk for heart disease, high blood pressure, type 2 diabetes, stroke, obesity, and some types of cancer."

And you seem to think you know better than 17,000 Physicians who are campaigning for a plant-based diet - https://www.pcrm.org/about-us

Furthermore - tell this to the various athletes who are thriving on a plant-based diet. See https://gamechangersmovie.com/

Look, I get that your identity seems to be tied heavily to food - I mean your user name 'cheese_goddess' gives a clue.

If you don't support the large scale animal agriculture industry and mostly consume plant-based dishes then that's great! More power to you.

But I encourage you to review your stance on animal well-being / rights and not just view them the same as potatoes.

Eating animals when it's not required for survival means that they have to be exploited and killed and for what? Tradition and taste?

Here is Damian Mander (ex special forces guy) on how to protect animals: https://youtu.be/BUMGBwgGYWw?t=100

Same question as before - if you can avoid cruelty and violence towards other sentient beings - why wouldn't you?