skysight-inc/HackerNews huggingface dataset:
I think it's also useful to consider factors at play for those who were convinced by this, since those reasons seem likewise problematic/ill-founded + small in number.

Reading through myself, I never encountered something which would require either 1) self-awareness (i.e. operating partly via a robust model of self), or 2) volition/agency (could be indicated by something as simple as the AI "taking the lead" in the convo, vs. responding).

And, without any evidence of self-awareness or volition, there was equivalently no evidence on display for personhood. Which is not to say a demonstration had been made that the AI definitively was not a "person"; it's just that no reason had been presented that even needed refuting. There didn't appear to be anything new here vs. all the other LLM output we've been reading for years now.

So why were some subset of people so astonished by this? My guess is that their criteria for something like artificial personhood is not based on functional* definitions of self-awareness or agency, and instead derive it from certain signals from book/movie tropes about systems "gaining self-awareness" (generally presented as a kind of mystical switch-flipping, vs. a concrete type of system architecture).

The dialog hits a number of those quite well—as we should probably expect since the setup of the entire conversation would lead it to tap into that segment of its training data.

*"functional" is kind of ambiguous here. I don't mean it as a judgement of quality, but instead something closer to a mode of analysis.
The enemy country was clearly purposely not mentioned, and I think intended to be "generic bad guy".
So is building and maintaining transportation networks of massive proportions on the ground. Somehow that never gets looked at, people just compare the running costs and completely ignore construction and maintenance. Plus the cost of all the deaths it causes, human and non-human. Plus the space it takes up and how it destroys environments. All these are costs.

Planes will not be a solution for all transportation needs, but where it makes sense they're great. A flying bus basically, routes can be very flexibly changed depending on evolving needs.
He likes a battery life of 1 hour on his smartphone.
I suspect folks are more irked by the parochial condescension with which the initial complaint was voiced, rather than the fact of the observation. This is not a forum that generally smiles upon weaponised imbecility.
Was it Google Messages the one that came up as a pop-up in gmail and let you very easily do videoconferencing? I can't remember.
So, if you want to examine the data we do have about risks from COVID-19 in the setting of comparative risk, including other diseases, then I'm happy to do so. However, I do not wish to speculate about COVID-19 by changing the topic of discussion to influenza, excluding COVID-19, in this context, as though it were comparable. COVID-19 is not the flu. Speculating about data is not what we're discussing. If we don't have the long term data, we don't have the data. We do have preliminary data for COVID-19, so if you want to speculate about that and how it might develop - that'd be much more relevant.
Apple has just started designing GPUs. Who knows if they are able to make massive leaps in the GPU space like they did in the CPU space.
I had a brother-in-law who taught at USAF Fighter Weapons School. He was also a right royal bastard with paranoid schizophrenia and extreme narcissistic syndrome.

Thanks $DEITY my sister-in-law finally managed to complete her divorce against him. And he's still being a right royal pain in the ass to her.

I don't wish ill on many people on this planet, but he's at the top of that list.
If the only reason selling gasoline cars is difficult is regulations, it makes sense to sell as many as you can before the regulations make it hard. And to try to make sure you didn't make too many that you can't legally sell in the intended market. Economically, it probably makes sense to try to push back on the regulations too.

Seperate from that, you do want to be prepared to switch to what you can legally sell. But there's no reason to ramp up producing a less desirable good before the mandate comes into force. (Of course, you could argue about EVs being more or less desirable... but that's a different argument than saying you should switch before the mandate; I personally think the addressable market is clearly smaller with EVs vs gas powered too; also, I think hydrogen cars are clearly worse than natural gas cars, and natural gas cars didn't survive in the US market, so I don't think hydrogen cars are a good investment, but that's not really the claim either)
"It just looks as if they _want_ to avoid success at all costs"

Microsoft owns how many gaming properties and technolgy stacks at this point?
Despite that, Apple beat all other companies to the $3T market valuation in January this year (AAPL at $2.2T, MSFT at $1.9T today).

I fail to see where Apple is "avoiding success" in this scenario. They have clearly shown that one need not appeal to the gamers to find success. Though I am a PC gamer, I kind of get it TBH. The variety of motherboards/GPUs/CPUs/APIs etc are kind of bewildering and having something that "just works" (or at least aspires to that goal) is appealing.
The simple answer is that Apple wants a 30% cut of all games that can run on a Mac. Since that's harder to do without a huge backlash if they restrict non-Mac Store apps and games from running on Macs, they just neglect it and do the bare minimum to cut costs on anything graphics related, i.e have the same APIs, software and drivers(Metal) that they already have on iOS and running on very similar Apple Silicon on mobile. Pushing game devs to use Metal provides Apple valuable lock-in.

They don't think about providing extra value to the Mac users since they already got their money from the high margin hardware. It's their way or the highway.

It's sad because Jobs used to have game devs launch games that ran on the Mac during WWDC presentations. Maybe when Apple was doing badly financially it became a smaller priority. I'd like to think that if Jobs was around after Apple hit $1T market cap he'd have prioritized proving more value for Mac users with supporting gaming, but with a COO like Tim Cook at the helm(just like MS under Ballmer) it feels like it won't happen. It's nice to have technology/engineer CEOs that like to build technology for its sake instead of only looking for more money like MBA CEOs do. Especially technology companies sitting on 200 billion dollars in cash.
> Somehow, writing the exact same structured text that would go into a blog post in a thousand tweets is different?

Yes? A blog post is a commitment; you write out a bunch of text, and then you have the option to polish and edit it, so there's generally the expectation that you'll polish and edit it. But you don't want to do that, so you just write the blog post (or half the blog post) but never publish it.

On Twitter, you can just write half an unedited blog post, and then stop; and people will still derive value from that.
I still enjoy youtube, drive, translate, maps, android, android auto, and google login.
For some reason a lot of things used to default to 32 bit primary keys and you absolutely did run out of those and its been a major issue for a lot of apps for the last few years. But yeah, you'll never run out of bigints SQL servers couldn't cope with the amount of data that would require.
I see, combinations. But also the ability to use different combinations of "basic" features in a sense are a specific feature too. Like you can mark text bold and you can mark text as representing a table. But can you mark text within tables bold? If you can that would to me be a "feature" too. If you can not, then that "feature" is missing.
I never would have guessed that what I take for granted to be a multi-threaded intrinsic actually existed long before x86 multi-threading was widespread. A quick search shows potential dual 386 boards, I assume these instructions were to support those?
Yes, it is quite different: a tweet once written, is done. There is no review or copywriting possible. This is very useful for people with ADHD
This is amazing! I thought of that idea recently, I'm happy to see it live.
Just a general question to all. What would make you believe without a doubt that an AI is concious? What is YOUR turing test.
Apple has a huge gaming business which is larger than that of Microsoft, Activision/Blizzard, or Nintendo.

Apple's game developers are iOS and Apple Arcade developers, and they are the ones that Apple is encouraging to make games for macOS.
I mean it sounds like you think "simply support Vulkan" or OpenGL is just free and doesn't take any development resources at all. My understanding is Apple's graphics stack has always been optimized more for high quality / easy application development, video editing and other use cases. Apple (and other megatechs) are resource-constrained as all companies are, they don't have infinite manpower and money.
>Microsoft owns how many gaming properties and technolgy stacks at this point? Despite that, Apple beat all other companies to the $3T market valuation in January this year (AAPL at $2.2T, MSFT at $1.9T today).

The reason is that Windows, unlike iOS, allows Steam, GoG etc. and non-Store games run on it without having to pay MS for the privilege. Imagine MS' market cap if it took 30% of all PC gaming revenue. And because it's impossible for Apple to take their 30% cut of all games, they ignore/deprioritize it and focus on making more money than try to provide more value to Mac users who want to game.

Microsoft essentially built the new era of PC gaming with DirectX back in the mid to late 90s, and that helped them sell more Windows licenses on home PCs.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DirectX#Development_history
> yt and search are far from being perfect

My thesis is that YouTube and Google Search are in an almost perfectly optimized position, where ±5% product quality would not make anyone switch to another service (this is why DDG isn't taking over, for example), but ±10% (or higher, in the + case) is probably around an order of magnitude more difficult to achieve. In other words, no one other than Google can make a better Google.
I created a PL/pgSQL function for this purpose. As Starlevel001 mentioned, the UUID format will accept opaque bytes. Perhaps you could find this useful?

https://gist.github.com/kjmph/5bd772b2c2df145aa645b837da7eca...
I think the point is that it’s not a tiny compromise in aggregate. Pointing to the one instance here and treating the decision like it’s in a vacuum is not what the people against the road believe will happen, based on the points in the article about how this will lead to further development
COVID and the influenza both produce different responses in different people. You happened to get lucky with COVID and unlucky with the flu. Many do not and are not. Remember, you, as a single data point, aren't generalisable to a population.
It's a cute idea, but it fundamentally doesn't work the way one might think.

A majority of the voting shares are owned by the founders, who are not obliged to sell at any price. It is functionally impossible to do a hostile takeover of Google without causing one of them to defect.
That's not a fair comparison as Apple and MS are totally different companies. By "avoiding success" I meant "game success", not profitability or some number on the NASDAQ.
I think they're happy with the mobile ports that are coming because that's where the mainstream is.
Providing the tools to evolving ideas I'd say is a critical missing part of current blogging platforms, I'd like to see that in truegit.
I disagree. People have mocked others that hold my beliefs (negative) and I respond with a positive view. Why is it somehow deemed acceptable to denigrate religions at social events, but if you say you believe X then it’s “baffling”?
In Comments: Be kind. Don't be snarky. From guidelines https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
threejs runs just fine baby, webgl ftw and may the great portening begin
I usually see it associated with very clear water, as in a 'pellucid pool'.
That's what I think too. For all the hatred MS gets, at least some of their actions benefit customers despite making almost zero $ for MS. Apple is clearly different.
Or people could just not be assholes and respect their wishes
I don't have much to add to this discussion, except that I went to Alaska a few weeks ago and I loved it. Looking as a tourist its easy to say that I would like to preserve as it is, but people living there might think entirely different.
How would a human prove to an AI that he or she is sentient?
Way to prove the validity of their reservations and distaste towards HN
> If other folks value the wilderness so much, they should pay folks in Alaska not to develop their land.

We did.

Congress used our tax dollars to purchase Alaska and then later on carved out part of that purchase as this reserve. It is in no way more their land than it is the New Yorker’s or the Californian’s.
There is a standard: https://schema.org/Menu

"A structured representation of food or drink items available from a FoodEstablishment."

Clearly the issue is that no one has convinced FoodEstablishments of the business case to spend tech dollars publishing their menus.
My guess: Apple doesn't want cross-platform software at all — games or otherwise.

If you want to be cynical, Apple wants devs to get locked into Apple's ecosystem by writing to Metal, in Swift, etc.

If you want to be generous, ports to Mac OS have traditionally been shit as the Mac is treated as second-class by devs. (I bought Kerbal Space Program off Steam for my Mac, returned it immediately — UI was so bad on the Mac, so un-Mac-like.)
As an Android dev, I find that I/O often has negative value to the developer, and none to the users.

Anecdote: I tried to implement Paging3. First, the architecture was quite rigid and did not fit the way we handled our data. We spent days modifying the data and every component related to fit Paging. After all that work, we got it to work, only to find a "To do" error when using String IDs as pages as opposed to incrementing an integer.

Also if you had invested time into learning Paging2, you'd have to throw away all that effort with Paging3.

The more recent Material 3 is sexy, but the "easy" tools introduce a lot of ugly imperative boilerplate into my theme code. It smells hacky, as if it was not properly designed for this use case.

So my impression is that I/O is really just there to get alpha/canary testers.
Can do an added $5k in cash at a counter on the I bonds
What about bells theorem, which implies that the universe has inherent non determinism associated with it?

Meaning that computability doesn't matter if there's inherently randomness at the smallest scales
These instructions exist to support preemptive multitasking, not multi-processing. Your process can get suspended in the middle of non-atomic additions. Then you have a race condition.
In Australia it's illegal to perform you own electrical or telecoms work.
(things that connect to the grid or the wider telecoms network).

I'd also counter that it's totally fine to replace normal bulbs with smart bulbs!

It works exactly as before, but the bulb gains some useful powers!

Colour temperature, RGB colours and so on, are all useful features of smart bulbs that can be used connected to a standard switch!

Turning lights on and off isn't the only function, and for many not even the primary function, of smart lighting!
So, a speech-to-text and vice versa with a limited set of options, a website to buy domains from and "inovations", that you cannot buy yet, and might be cancelled before they ever come to consumer-ready completion?

That doesn't sound like a lot.

Google had an XMPP compatible chat client, that they killed of and revived with a new product every few years, so from gtalk, to wave, duo, alo, meet, chat, or whatever else it was called.

Youtube stopped promoting independent producers, and is basically just a frontend to legacy media.

Google apps was a great free tool for your own domain, but nope, not free anymore.

Google maps started featuring ads everywhere and is a pain to try to find thing X with lidl logos everywhere.

Google reader, great product, dead.

Google cardboard... great, cheap VR "for the masses"... dead.

Google fusion tables.. dead.

Google search results are 50% pinterest, 50% unrelated.

Google inbox, dead.

The audio only chromecast.. dead.

Google mytracks, great tool, killed by google (luckily an opensource replacement exists).

Picasa.

Google+ was a great idea... create bubbles, share stuff to only specific groups... too much forced integration everywhere, people hated it, dead.

Google nexus/pixel phones were great in the nexus 4/5/5x era.. now they're expesive and "meh".

Android privacy features are broken... no way to change unique ids, and most of the permissions are not granular enough, and people have been complaining for years about that.

The only thing google is really great at, is taking a chat service, making a new one and killing the old one... everything else is building nice prototypes and killing them.
This is a question of courtesy, not the law.
Also, using an incrementing id can lead to to information disclosure if they are visible in user facing APIs. For example, if I know an id for my user, document, cart, etc. Then I know all ids lower than that are probably also valid.
The more low-level access browsers are required to expose for application development, the worse things will be in almost every dimension, but especially security and performance.
Weird digression: Where is he getting the term "interlocked"? That's not the industry term ("atomic"), nor is it something from Intel (who talk about the LOCK prefix, and a "bus lock" in older hardware manuals, the word "interlock" appears in the SDM in just a few places where it's talking about pipeline stall behavior).

Chen seems to be using it confidently, and it's clearly there in the names of the API entry points. Is this just something Microsoft made up? It's the first I've noticed it.
It’s possible to believe his concerns regarding indebtedness of “The West” and the state of the current debt cycle while also disagreeing with his bullish view of Chinese economic growth / dominance.

This is my personal view after reading his most recent book.
I remember a lot after about 6 months which is when I started running around. I remember my first word - "hot" after I burned myself on an iron at about a year old. but I used to remember everything, now a lot of it is gone.
> Apple (and other megatechs) are resource-constrained as all companies are, they don't have infinite manpower and money.

Apple was literally $3 trillion worth recently. They already had OpenGL but they decided to deprecate it, so it's not as if they don't support it due to lack of resources.
>schedule doctor visits

Lots of schools have an in-school trained nurse.

>create meal plans

Most schools in the US sell/provide subsidized lunch.

So yeah, there ISN’T much of a line here in the US. The school is daycare, education, basic medical attention, a cafeteria/food welfare program, and sports/after school program all rolled into one.

During early COVID in the Bay Area, the middle school in my neighborhood kept “serving” lunch. That is to say, it was too “dangerous” to hold class. However, they still staffed cafeteria staff and had a line down the street at lunch time of kids with subsidized/free lunch, and they handed out brown paper bags. So the school was literally operating ONLY as a child nutritional welfare program for a while, but not as a school.
At which point everything collapses--not just London. And what does the rest of the British isles have that the EU or US can't get elsewhere, better? And you would be relying on "modern norms" to protect you against someone invading the isles, exterminating everybody and taking over.

This is something people don't seem to get--anarchy sounds nice to lots of people. However, everything doesn't just keep going--everything suddenly stops.

Maybe what emerges on the other side on anarchy is better for "the people" (history suggests that the probabilities are against it), but there's a lot of bloodshed and starvation in the meantime.

You may get your pound of flesh but will you be alive to appreciate that fact?
> Somehow, writing the exact same structured text that would go into a blog post in a thousand tweets is different?

It's a very bold assumption to expect the exact same structure in a blog post (which can be edited at arbitrary places within the entire document) than in a twitter thread (where tweets can not be edited once sent). Editing - or not being able to edit, for that matter - has a massive influence on the eventual resulting text.

In fact, the incremental nature of twitter threads kind of caters to the ADHD brain because it completely defeats self-sabotaging perfectionism by removing the opportunity to revisit and rework previous sections of the text. If you follow Foone for a while, you'll see that they tweet their thoughts and works as it happens. They don't sit down and prepare the entire thread beforehand because doing so would make it a lot harder to finish, if not entirely impossible.
During a shrooms trip one sapphire blue sky day in Fall at university, I lost all access to my language faculty. It felt like an invisible hand was erasing my entire lexicon in huge swaths at a time until there were no more words left in my head. One moment I had thoughts. The next moment, after the last word blinked out of existence, I had only feelings.

The clouds covered the sun, and a gust of wind passed over me, and I was cold, and I could only experience the sensation of discomfort. Then the sun emerged, and I was basked with warmth, and I experienced happiness that brought a smile to my face and a feeling of safety.

For about two hours I existed in this language-less state. Without words I wasn't able to think. There was no internal dialogue. I couldn't reason about things, or think about the past or future. There were no words there to attach to the objects around me let alone abstract concepts. Then, as quickly as my language had been erased, it returned again in patches. Once it was all back I was able to reflect on this experience using my words. I have always wondered if this is what it is like to be a baby.
That's a smart thought. Ive always wondered why they called it that.

Snowden mentioned that they have some kind of a random operation name generator that they have to use, but people keep using it over and over to find a suitable name. I don't recall the specifics but it was in his book.
For anybody interested in this era of photography, the book "A Triumph of Genius" by Ronald K. Fierstein is such a brilliant documentation of the history around the Kodak vs Polaroid patent war.
> this study in Nature

No, that's been published in Scientific Reports not Nature. Scientific Reports has a vastly higher acceptance rate, engages in pay to play, and published a picture of Donald Trump hidden in baboon feces. You're relying on junk science.
How much of your money do you invest into these financial vehicles (50%, 100%)?

Why a mutual fund over an ETF and by which method do you do it (ex: Robinhood)?
Unfortunately, the thread affinity api on m1 doesn't work that way, at least based on what I've been able to understand by reading here:
https://developer.apple.com/forums/thread/703361
and more specifically this linked source file:
https://github.com/apple-oss-distributions/xnu/blob/bb611c8f...

I agree with your other points though!
> When I think of gamers

Except that in terms of revenue, PC gaming brings in less money than console gaming, which brings in less money than mobile gaming.

Apple is already a big player in mobile gaming. Why would they spend a lot of money to compete in a smaller market where they have minimal market share, instead of expanding their already significant mobile market share?
Despite RTO, there’s literally more “remote opp” than ever before in human history