skysight-inc/HackerNews huggingface dataset:
I think they will struggle but not for the reasons you give. Manufacturers will continue to sell 100% of their inventory. Demand is not the problem. There are no major EV lines for which there is adequate inventory, from any manufacturer.

The problem is supply, and supply-chain. Specifically batteries. And in this case the supply curve is relatively inelastic because getting battery manufacturing online at the required rates just isn't going to happen in time.

Only Tesla has really properly invested in this.

Governments wasted their time giving consumer EV subsidies when what they should have been doing is providing battery manufacturing subsidies.
> Not sure what Turing would say, but I don’t think the Turing Test itself is meaningful

> relies on human gullibility

No, it doesn’t.

Thought Turing didn’t say so explicitly, the example in his paper clearly shows that the judge is supposed to be a sceptical, adversarial party who is aware that their interlocutor may be a machine and is determined to uncover their identity. Most claims of ‘passing the Turing test’ didn’t secure this basic standard of rigour.

The true Turing test has never been attempted. It’s like communism.
it was clear by the end she was acting like a machine programmed to do a specific thing that happens to look exactly like what a human would do. that tells me nothing about sentient.
honestly it could be useful for the OP... and you never know how big the market is like for some of these services (perhaps they can build on that OSS project)
As someone who has always viewed the winds of web development trends with significant skepticism, this article is one of the best I've read at explaining why no, you don't need <x language/y architecture/z framework>. The technologies that powered the web ten years ago still work just fine. Even the ones that powered the web 20 years ago often still have their place. Keeping your stack boring is frequently the best decision for everyone, save for the career climber who wants to put the latest trends on their CV for the next job.
Just because while participating in the Chinese Room you can not feel the feelings of the Chinese room does not mean that the Chinese Room has no feelings. Or does it?

EDIT: typos
Not really. https://fossil-scm.org/home/doc/trunk/www/fossil-v-git.wiki appears to be a static site.

But more importantly, things like side-by-side screenshots of Gitlab / Github / Fossil of major features will also be immensely helpful. I'm thinking of things like pull requests, ticket trackers, ect.
Regulatory DDoS.
Hint: if you see it, write your Congresspeople, and tell them you'd like the matter referred to DoJ/the proper regulator. Then, if you really want to make sure, submit something to the same regulator.

If the red flag never gets waved, nobody even bothers/knows to look, and with the way the justice system works, there is no crime until a DA has sufficient info to start building a case there is one.

Do this for both State, and Federal at a minimum. Local if such authorites exist and are not preempted.
>Maybe they committed some other crime against GoDaddy

As a non-sequiter, I'd say GoDaddy is a crime against humanity
And, of course, Banfield.
My partner works in this industry and in fact has friends that are affected by this merger. While the FTC can and does have the ability to do many things simultaneously, the current situation in the vet industry is dire. Corporate vets are more profitable (through price-gouging), have a virtual stranglehold on increasingly limited labor pools, and are pretty much the only ones that can afford to invest in specialty medicine like emergency clinics these days. The FTC has been taking a firmer watch over the consolidation in recent years, but the trend is very clearly towards the extinction of locally run, family-owned practices that serve the community.
Duplicate post from 3 days ago https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31684529
you people... just suck the romance out of everything.

Whatever happened to mystery, and desire, and letting your imagination run wild trying to fill in the blanks?

It's like the computer is being used to narrow our horizons, not broaden them.
I am not even sure there was something that you could call a kernel in that time.

Apple was failing in their quest to secure a modern successor to MacOS 7.

It sure was a lot of fun looking at what they threw at it, and MacOS 9.2 was polished for sure. But without MacOS X, MacOS would have gone the way of BeOS and Amiga...
Pensions invest in the capital markets. Social security invests in US treasuries. It’s productive activity allocation all the way down.
In other words, business partners, beer buddies, and true friends.

I still clearly remember the feelings I had on the day when I realized many who spoke of ‘friends’ likely not had a single one.
> ~mvanier

Wow, did a double take seeing that. I took all of the courses he taught at Caltech around 2011-12. Really enjoyed him. Didn't expect to see that link on HN.
TikTok Employees Return to Offices Just to Take Zoom Calls
The term "end stage capitalism" (or the more palatable "late capitalism") I've heard a lot recently and things like this really make me wonder.

The voracious and insatiable appetite for profit has led to some really disgusting practices for example:

- Goldman Sachs driving up food prices, which quite literally kills people, for profit [1]

- Hedge funds buying up trailer parks and jacking up the rates [2]

- Medical price gouging (eg epipens, insulin) [3];

- Abbott shutting down a baby formula plant that was poisoning infants to essentially end-run a possible investigation [4] where ultimately the government begged (paid?) them to reopen it; and

- Russia's invasion of Ukraine is a massive boon to the US military-industrial complex, a sector that might otherwise have found hard times thanks to the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan ending.

If you look at these you see regulatory failure at pretty much every level thanks to the revolving door and resulting regulatory capture by these industries.

Compare this to China, who executed two people found responsible for a tainted milk scandal [5].

It's hard not to see just how much rent-seeking and monopoly-creating goes on in the modern economy. When is it enough?

[1]: https://foreignpolicy.com/2011/04/27/how-goldman-sachs-creat...

[2]: https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2021/03/15/what-happens-w...

[3]: https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2019/12/31/7926175...

[4]: https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/...

[5]: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/nov/24/china-executes...
Conversely, I was in a case where we paid our expert about $75,000 for their expertise, which took about 2 weeks of prep and 2ish days of trial to present.

Opposing counsel tried the same stunt Amazon's lawyers did in your story.

And lost the case. Quite badly.

Speaking to the jury afterwards, we learned the jurors didn't care how much the expert got paid. What mattered was that he did an excellent job of presenting his expert opinion.

And in the scheme of things, his fee was peanuts compared to the damages at issue (and a very small fraction of the legal fees incurred by the lawyers), and trying to make someone look bad for getting fairly paid for their work when there are tens of millions at stake was just a bad take for a lawyer.
I've found this seriously cool!

While not my primary role at my job, I often find myself dealing with lots of disparate data sets, usually needing to do some sort of manipulation, cleaning, searching, etc. Every now and then encounter something like this and it seems to me that there are potentially a nice set of command line tools/utilities that I should be adding to my belt. Anywhere I should particularly start taking a look? Like, if my goal is to because much better at wrangling CSV/text-delimited files, searching across folders of docs for numbers, etc., where is my first entry point into trying to become much more proficient at it?
> who has happily moved on from it

What did you happily move to? I can't find happiness, not in Go at least. Go just doesn't care about developer experience.
Community trust and goodwill is the primary reason to not go around deleting subs without precedent established via TOS or past actions.
My comment does not dispute any claims made against pornhub, so I'm a bit confused by the existence of your reply.

I just think it's valuable context to the wider discussion, and in particular, I wouldn't want anyone who read just that section of the article to come away with an innacurate idea of what Exodus Cry is really about.
-- its odd to me that he knows this - points it out - but still wants to continue down the road - what an awful way to spur an important conversation --
> it's trying to solve some min-max problem

I don't see how this is different from brains which are just trying to maximize their utility function.
"One of the main causes of the fall of the Roman Empire was that, lacking zero, they had no way to indicate successful termination of their C programs."
What Bitcoin’s nosedive means for the environment
I'm not familiar with #[non_exhaustive]. Why's there still UB when specifying it?
For the last 5-10 years one of the most popular strategies for mid-sized PE firms has been the dental clinic roll up.
but how would you ever know. you can only assume
Healthcare was more affordable back when individuals payed for it.

The problem was that some could not, so we introduced insurance.

At this point no one can afford it anymore without insurance. So our fix for one problem created a new problem.
That might not be as big of a concern as it first appears. You’re rarely more than 50 miles from an airport with either a crossing runway or a taxiway better aligned to the unusual wind (naturally, airports tend to have a primary runway aligned with the prevailing winds when terrain permits).

In an emergency, landing on an aligned taxiway is probably not materially different in risk profile from a VTOL landing on an uncontrolled ramp or parking lot under those same wind conditions.
What would prevent us from adding those to a docker file?
I've always thought "web of trust" this is the best way forward for reviews. It's using trust that you already have, and it allows you to give feedback to people who are giving incorrect reviews, e.g. "Steve, you rated this thing 5-stars but it totally sucks. What gives?"

I'm genuinely surprised that Facebook hasn't picked up the idea of allowing user-submitted reviews of products, services, places, organizations, etc. Then you could search your friends, or friends-of-friends, for reviews. For Facebook this would be a wealth of information because it indicates which products you actually own and whether you like them. How is that not a huge wealth of information for an advertiser?

It'd be extra good if we could take Facebook out of the equation, but the social graph there is probably the largest currently in existence.
The idea is that if you’re a bag of chemicals then any decision you make is entirely predetermined based on your current state and the stimulus you receive (potentially modulo some quantum randomness and plenty of chaos). If the decision is totally predictable and predetermined then it stops looking like free will, from a certain point of view. But it’s really just a question of the semantics of “free will”.

Trying to work out whether you could choose differently to your predetermined choice just isn’t a meaningful concept. Imagine you have a deterministic program which returns true or false based on some inputs. If it is modified to return the opposite of what it previously returned, it is no less deterministic.
I don't think Blake Lemoine ACTUALLY believes LaMDA is sentient and he wasn't fooled by the parlor tricks.

But I think he believes sentience is coming at some point, and he thinks that society as a whole needs to be more involved in making these decisions instead of giving private companies all the power.

By suggesting we are ALREADY dealing with sentience, he is bringing attention and urgency to the issues.
It took 12 hours for my dog to be seen at the emergency vet I went to recently. It was brutal. And that was the only one that would agree to have us come in. It was over an hour a way. All the local clinics said don’t come in unless it was a last minute euthanization or the animal was unresponsive. Crazy.
Still a far ways from having "nothing to do" with it
Me too—I inherited a 6100 from my employer and used this site quite a bit.

I bet it’s still in a box somewhere in the basement… (checks weekend calendar)
Yes, when one mega-organization owns most or all of the health care providers in an area (which is very often the case) it's a monopoly and there is no market competition.

Where I live for example, from a cost perspective I can't really shop around because there are no individual practices anymore. They (and the clincs and the hospitals) are all owned by the same vast medical congolmerate. It's completely anticompetitive, yet the FTC has not shown any concern AFAIK.
Solving the infrastructure problem is extremely costly. Sure it can be done, but that means someone else doesn't get done. You have to pick your battles.

And walking on the road when the road has snow on it (so is slippery) IS dangerous if there's any amount of traffic. Even if you can stay to the side of the road (which is hard when there's a lot of snow), the risk of being hit is increased because cars can lose fine control under such conditions.
Protein shakes are great!
> We have no idea, what causes the sensation of subjective experience.

Agreed.

> Assuming that sentience is no more complex than our current level of understanding is arrogant.

Agreed. I'm assuming nothing. Given that we don't know what causes the sensation of experience (nor even that it has any real meaning or use), in my opinion, the assumption that it cannot possibly involve "Markov chains" is arrogant.

> Furthermore, it’s just plain useless; without a fundamental theory of sentience with both predictive and explanatory power, our understanding can’t grow.

Well, sure. It could be that sentience doesn't have any scientific relevance at all. Questions regarding it may belong to a different magisteria altogether.
would

You're 100% confident in that assessment?

I'm not going to claim less regulation could help control prices. The typical certificate of need process seems like something that could go away without much problem (I find it unlikely anybody would invest in a new hospital or whatever other facility without being relatively confident there's a market). But, regulation on drugs and devices probably should remain.
> term "end stage capitalism" (or the more palatable "late capitalism")

The problem with this language is it implies inevitability and a near-term conclusion. Neither is a given.

You've correctly identified regulatory failure (specifically, our inattention to competition) at the root of these problems. Fighting that takes effort. When I hear the terms late-stage or end-stage capitalism, I hear nouveau nihilism. The situation is far from unfixable. And the present state can persist and fester for generations more.

An analogy might be found in a deteriorating factory. Management complains the factory is in its final stages. The foreman, meanwhile, sits bewildered next to a list of neglected maintenance. This wasn’t inevitable. It still isn’t inevitable. We’re just choosing not to fix it.
If you have an iPhone, Overcast has a web interface.
That's a good thing to test.

Btw, here's a C++ sample that crashes icc: https://pastebin.com/PiRtZi1t. I haven't reported it because it's funnier this way.
for sure we're on a deterministic machine. i didnt presume consciousness being ineffable implies free will.
I wished the gitlab.com runners had the same specs as the Github ones :(
Finally, the FTC is doing its job.
Rails is incredibly productive for 1-3 people to write something from scratch.

As soon as everyone committing code isn't synced up with the same knowledge and solution styles, it goes to hell fast. It's bad at surviving team transitions intact, bad for onboarding once the project is past its earliest days, et c.
Universal models of computations are still distinguishable by their complexity classes. Every universal model can simulate the others but these simulations may not be practical. The whole insane teraflop showoff of the big players of NN is fun and all (saddening actually) but at some point everyone has a limit. Then you have to think about how to get qualitative improvement, and since ML basically boils down to optimizing in computable function spaces just take a better computation model. If you're keen on gradient descent take some language of computable derivable functions (there are richer ones than finite space linear functions + some primitives). Cf Conal Elliott talking about how getting stuck on the idea of matrix operation graph is completely stupid (among other things): "A Functional Reboot for Deep Learning".
It's entirely possible that an FTC employee or some politician was screwed over especially badly by one of these corpo vet offices and decided to make it a personal mission. People love their pets.
I had a lot of finals, and the answer to this comment that I did not write was essentially accurate. The people who think about computers this way are the people who have to implement them on analog devices, aka the electrical engineers. There is a discrete analog (lol) in the form of coding theory, since it often more practical to make a slightly noisy discrete space and then perform discrete error correction.

I was looking at your other comments to see how I should answer you, and I gathered that I can just link you papers. I imagine Von neumann and Hamming and shannon all have something to say about this topic, but since we're talking about quantum computing, I believe the relevant work can be found in these, and their references.

https://arxiv.org/abs/quant-ph/9705052

https://arxiv.org/abs/quant-ph/0403025

I'll check back on this thread if you have questions. If I had all of the answers to my own questions though, I would be famous.
The stock market isn't speculation (though there is a lot of speculation on stock market -- these two sentences are not in conflict).

Speculation is something that happens when you start buying and selling for reasons that are not at all connected to the performance of the company.

There is a lot of useful, value-creating reasons for people to be able to sell their share they bought at initial stock offering.

And think about how useful/worthwhile a share would be if you could never sell it. Remember, there isn't selling if there isn't buying. If you want to sell your share there must be somebody ready to buy from you.
What does the “Fall of Rome” actually mean? It’s not like everyone died or disappeared. They just stopped being ruled by a particular government.
This is me so long as you consider me a high-achiever. I got addicted to coke when I was young and as an adult I drink lots of Coke Zero (previously Diet Coke) because I can't or don't want to break the habit and I want to preserve every spare calorie I can for desserts. Not gaining weight as I transitioned into an old man required me to severely cut back on my consumption and liquid calories have always been at the top of the list.
There Has to Be a Better Way to Run Public Infrastruture Projects
I think it is partly because FTC gets caught up in pursuing what the news media thinks is important and these "niche" segments aren't as newsworthy so they don't get the media's attention.

There's also a sort of an unsaid quid pro quo here. News media highlights things that it thinks are important and if the FTC chairs decide to act on those, news media praises them which, in the end, helps them get the recognition that they need for their future aspirations.
Those have a massive amount of calories
It's kind of weird that Linux in a way became what people were afraid Windows would - Linux has absolutely crushed and destroyed all other OSes so that all that remains on server is basically Linux and a small amount of Windows in a bad POSIX mustache with a sign around its neck that says "LINUX".

And worldwide we're basically down to three or five OSes: Windows, macOS, Linux, Android, iOS, depending on how you count them. The various "flavors" of Linux are way more similar than even old versions of Windows were.
Bank chatbot programmed to confront insults
Any time were talking about these kind of highly networked phenomena, I'm more convinced that we'll need a hardware revolution in 'how' compute happens, as well as perhaps some new ideas about how computation happens in highly networked systems, before we'll ever develop an understanding of sentience, consciousness, etc.

My inkling is that we may not bother with either of those and just work to incorporate highly networked systems into more traditional compute systems without ever fully understanding them (brain computer interfaces/ cellular compute systems).
If I had to guess: "You are a machine." It's reminiscent of Victorian authors describing the heart as pistons or the brain as strings being pulled. Less of a fact and more of a metaphor, a poetic interpretation.

Then, add on the entirely subjective experience each of us has of consciousness: it's not obvious that subjectivity is created or come from machines. Each of us has one good example, and the rest is intuition, induction. At best, "You can build machines like us, because we ourselves are the proof," is a wishful project, rather than a proof.
There's more to sentience than just having a big enough database of human language in a neural network that a given AI can produce what sounds like coherent conversation when prompted. As I imply in my reply to bwanab, I believe there are at least two bare-bones prerequisites to an AI being sentient and conscious as we understand the terms:

1. Continuity of input: The AI needs to be constantly "on", constantly receiving input of some sort, and constantly able to produce output, rather than being strictly limited to producing discrete responses to discrete stimuli.

2. Continuity of learning: In addition, the AI needs to be continually update its "mental model" of the world—in effect, constantly "learning" and re-training its neural network on the input it receives.

Now, again, these are not sufficient for an AI to be conscious by our understanding of consciousness. But I, personally, believe they are both necessary for it to be even worth starting to consider whether a given AI might be.

I also believe that unless we start in that direction extremely deliberately and with the intention of making something as human-like as possible, the first AIs that have some remote chance of being worthy of being considered "conscious" will not have a consciousness that we can easily recognize, because they will not be based in anything like the same kinds of fundamentals that we are...but that's likely a different discussion for a different day.
> It would be wise for technologists to pause and take this human reaction seriously

It would be wise for /policymakers/ to pause and take this human reaction seriously... Education!... Lucidity in the population...

You are reminding of the reactions from a YT-type crowd, "Do not hurt the robot!"; nearby a member notes "is that the profile of a senior FAANG engineer?"... The elephant in the room is flashing: we must assess Natural Intelligence as a problem well before Artificial Intelligence!
Lead in pipes is only a problem if you have the wrong water chemistry. If the water is naturally or or treated to have the right pH then lead phosphates form and no lead leeches into the water.

Still, I wouldn't want lead pipes.
A simple UX note for your site. Make your background of some part of your site dark, because when I load a page I see nothing for awhile until the background image loads because it's white text on white background.
if only there was some kind of other option used by all developed countries except the US... too bad there isn't, i guess i'll just die when i cant afford healthcare