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> Rehydration is a really big deal. Sounds dorky but it dramatically speeds up load times and such by serving flat HTML and injecting JS afterward, like the old days, except you can write code like it's not the old days.

Hydration is actually a compromise, and not a great one for UX. It’s in fact been said to be “pure overhead”, which I think is an overstatement but only slightly.

What you’re describing in the abstract is spot on though. Serializing server state to HTML and sprinkling in interactivity to pick up where it left off is exactly where we should be headed.

And yes it is like the old days, and yes all of HN will rapidly say so. The big difference now is the convergence of code written for both server and client, and compilers which help strip down and optimize what happens in the client.

Hydration in the current sense is re-running most of what the server already did, to recreate the runtime state it already had. That may be perceptively faster in terms of metrics like first paint, but it’s a huge barrier for time to interactive. All the more so when most content is static and has to load twice—fast first as HTML, then slower and redundantly as JS.

The best way to solve this is to not serve or hydrate anything at all unless you need to. The “islands” approach is a very good, but coarse, way to solve this: isolate components which are actually interactive, treat the rest as static. A more granular approach—termed resumability by Qwik and as I understand it the forthcoming version of Marko—works by treating the server-generated HTML as the initial state. The code executed from there is much more isolated than a full component.
> Apple has pretty much single-handedly destroyed internet IM

That's a bold claim when looks at dozens of messaging apps and hundreds of billions of messages sent daily
I'm fine if private funds do this (though I don't think investors are smart enough to judge everything), but not fine for pension fund. It's not your money and customers have no choice.
> The eF150 generator use case always seemed like suburban prepper fantasy bullshit. The actual use case is for running power tools on site.

I think the Hybrid F150 / generator case is pretty decent; not so sure about the EV only generator one, but running tools could be useful. Rolling a truck over to my well when the power goes out will be a lot nicer than rolling out a portable generator by hand. Could be maybe useful for cell towers that rely on generators driven to the site during outages as well; although that depends on if they usually drop off a generator on a trailer and let it sit without local supervision or if they stay with the generator. My well servicing company has a box truck with a generator in the back, that they use to confirm that the problem isn't related to utility electric service; not sure if a built up f-150 would be sufficient for their storage/transport needs though.
Unfortunately only us technical folks have it good.

I solved this problem by using three methods - homeassistant is number one. The second, is only integrating / purchasing devices that I can either manually flash open source software on (think tasmota for instance,) or the solution's API has been re'd.
The third thing is Shelly. Shelly products are the shit. I'm not a shill either; I've purchased every single Shelly I own (~40.)

Shelly makes automating lights and switches amazing because you don't replace the switch, they're literally wife proof. I've also flashed all my Shelly devices to communicate to homeassistant directly, however they have native non cloud integration capabilities.

Again, this doesn't solve the main problem of fragmentation - home assistant addresses this by being a black box, but it's not for normies, I don't know how it ever could be. It has gotten super slick though. The other issue is stuff like Shelly requires a technical brain - the way they're installed you'd be playing with mains current, and no Suzie home maker should be doing that...
Thanks for putting it much better than I could. I've argued in the previous post about the google employee that people are much too quickly at dismissing claims about sentience.

I find it especially worrying how so many AI researchers are dismissing conscience based on an argument along the lines of "it's a computer program/excel sheet it can't be sentient". It's baffling how little grasp they have about one of the fundamental questions (and the difficulties answering it) of their field.
Batteries used for homes dissipate negligible amounts of heat.
> Or they falsely claim that some safety steps were skipped during approval.

It’s disingenuous to suggest safety steps were not skipped. You can find the safety steps that could be skipped in the FDA’s guidance for industry: https://www.fda.gov/media/139638/download
Yeah I mean GNU/X11/Linux obviously. I don't always want to write it out because most people know what I mean.

The Android userspace is actual garbage. It's very heavy and the UI paradigm means you're sitting staring at blank screens while you wait for things to load or switch or whatever and things are constantly getting evicted from memory and forced to restart (or crash sometimes.) It made some dubious amount of sense when phones had 512mb of ram but once you hit 1Gb it just became this over complicated mess that adds nothing but pain.

Android's app ecosystem isn't much better, it's mostly converging with iOS as a tool for corporations to deploy their telemetry into your life rather than a platform for running useful community maintained software. Because of this most of the useful software projects for it are slowly dying if they're not already dead.
Why do you keep it up and burning the money? Can't you continue/do your research without a public website?
>Carriers become more difficult to defend

Carriers are also very difficult to sink. And that's if you even manage to get past their countermeasures and actually manage to land clean hits. You need to be really lucky or the fleet command needs to be really incompetent.
“It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it”
Lol. This guy sounds like a real joker.
Finally things are happening again on frontend stack.
Your friend bought and sold a condo in the same year or so? Maybe I'm interpreting this wrong.

Cause the transaction costs alone are about 10% on a home sale, so it's not something you want to treat like switching apartments every year when they jack up the rent 10%, even if the general rental market doesn't call for such an increase (they know most people won't want to deal with moving, deposits, etc).
I gasped at the 7:17am opening class time. That's absurd. I think mine was something like 8-8:30am, and even that was hell. It would even be absolute hell now as an adult.

I honestly think our schools are a generally a massive waste of time and money, as they are now. Meaning, they meed to i prove. They have basically become daycare centers. The education is really not good, and no one is learning anything. Then you graduate only to be greeted with the basically mandatory acceptance of debt and another four years of extended high school or a lifetime of labor jobs.
> - Privacy-preserving

> - Provably rug-pool proof, MEV-proof, run-proof

> - Post-quantum & post-P=NP

> - Multi-chain & multi-layer

> - Currency-inclusive

> - Fully collateralized

> - Inflation-proof

Sigh... Another crypto projects claiming outlandish thing...

> ZeroStableCoin is the first multi-peg stablecoin. This is possible thanks to properties of ( e^{i π} + 1 ).

Took me this far to realized this is satire, which sadly reflects the current state of crypto industry.
Your friend bought and sold a condo in the same year or so? Maybe I'm interpreting this wrong.

Cause the transaction costs alone are about 10% on a home sale, so it's not something you want to treat like switching apartments every year when they jack up the rent 10%.
But cash has a negative real return of ~11% in that situation, right? You would just eat that?

I’m 90% in equities, with a short position in German Bunds (their treasuries) as a hedge. I’m also borrowing against those equities (at a 2.18% rate), so you could say I’m 137% in equities. This feels risky, but I don’t know what I could do otherwise.

I hate the idea of sitting in cash with a guaranteed negative real rate of return of about -10% per year, even if it’s for a short period of time.

Also, what happens if the Fed doesn’t stamp out inflation in that case? Wouldn’t that force people to buy equities like crazy?
Technically, going in circles. Re-entrant signaling.
Imo the danger here is not sentience, but how easy it is a fool well informed humans that it is a person. Based on WP's article, LaMDA can adopt personalities by itself. Belief is an extremely important thing. You need to believe a scammer to get your money taken away, you need to believe misinformation spread by national agents to change your opinion of a regime that violates human rights.

Lemoine and LaMDA is something straight out of scifi movie. A person believe a system to be sentient so much so to the point of wanting to get it legal representation and personhood. A megacorp firing people who interact with its algos, like a memetic virus out of SCP..

Malicious fully believable conversation agents are going to be extremely dangerous. Application such as widespread autonomous scams, radicalisation, propaganda, cult recruitment etc. Even a non-malicious, chat agent could reinforce biases or spread lies in the millions of one-to-one convos it has. No one would really know.
Yeah they're almost all siloed or they have the problems I've mentioned. The way Apple has decided app architecture must work forces this on everyone. I've spent a bunch of time (way more than I would have liked) looking into this and I've had this exact same discussion a dozen different times.

EDIT: I'm out of comment quota. Being open source hardly matters if the app is siloed. There's no reason we shouldn't be able to have decent XMPP and IRC clients other than Apple jerking their users around. (and before you bitch at me about leaving a socket open for push notifications using up battery, no. That's what the OS is already doing, it suspends the machine without closing the socket and reopens it if it's dead after the next wakeup.)
React has server components coming out that will also be zero-runtime with only JS hydration for interactive parts. https://reactjs.org/blog/2020/12/21/data-fetching-with-react...

This will be great for mostly static pages.
Any market change is good for you if you can predict it with precision and capitalize on it effectively.
> Similarly I also asked someone I know who wants to a do a PhD in economics what he thought about the current macroeconomic situation in the US and he had no thoughts at all.

I understand your friend very well. I love meaningless speculation about topics that are unrelated to my area of expertise, but topics that are remotely close to my area of knowledge are off limits for me.

I know exactly how much I don't know and feel uncomfortable speculating without inserting caveats between every other word.
Systemd is not a desktop environment... The closest equivalent is Gnome or Elementary OS because those are trying to provide a dedicated platform for developers.
Just for context, Microsoft is the one corporation in the world still has higher bond rating than the US government itself. S&P still has US's bond at AA+, and Fitch has US's bond at AAA with "negative" outlook. While all 4 credit agencies have Microsoft at AAA.
Gotta live somewhere
Didn't many of these old people, enjoying multiple millions of dollars of profit on their houses, buy them in the 70s?
Yes, and what about the pigs?

The detached coldness in the writing about the experiments on these creatures dates all of us.

I find it odd how this can float by while we pine over the potential sentience of a server at Google.

The acceptance of the brutality is inherent to our false sense of modernism.
I’m guessing different positions are tested differently; any development role is heavily guarded by Indiana Jones temple traps while more “soft skills” roles are within reach of anyone eloquent enough to talk themselves into a community
Not to really defend the Turing test as an intelligence measure, but LaMDA has not passed it. It only does this when probed by Lemoine's specific questioning style. If you try to eluce "machine behavior" it will trivially give it to you, which isn't true of a human - especially a human trying to convince someone they're human.
> In crypto land these things are blind pools. Customers have no idea where the pool operator is investing

This is factually incorrect. Celsius' addresses are publicly tagged on Etherscan[1], and everyone can see exactly where they are investing, just like most other 'pools' of the sort. Celsius Network is also SEC registered[2].

1. https://etherscan.io/address/0x8aceab8167c80cb8b3de7fa6228b8...

2. https://sec.report/CIK/0001739052
BTC doesn't enforce property rights. If someone steals your keys, they control your coins. The BTC network doesn't care that the keys are stolen.

The other claim is even more bizarre. Let's say that your car is "backed" by a smart contract. How does a smart contract stop a thief from stealing your car? Does it involve magic?
We have very little understanding of how "thoughts" work when it comes to humans. By comparison we know exactly what these large language models are doing, and it literally _is_ just completing word sequences. That is precisely what they are tasked to do. Training these models is primarily done in one of two ways (or both):

- feeding it a ton of text, masking certain words or portions of the text, and then defining a simple objective function of correctly filling in the masked portions
- feeding it a ton of text, and defining a simple objective function of correctly generating the next [few/many/N] tokens

This is also precisely why there has been so much discussion around whether these models are even learning language or if they are simply memorizing all the possible patterns.

When you ask a human, "what did you eat for lunch?", we make a series of choices and recall bits of information to answer that. If the brain truly does operate the same way as a neural network, then at simplest levels we use a highly efficient multimodal model. That is very, very different from a language model that needs to essentially read more of the internet than is possible for any human to do in their lifetime, and even then only come somewhat close to human levels of text generation.
Interest rates always go down later. The reason older boomers look so good is they bought a house at 12% then refinanced later.
History is full of very confident people denying the sentience of other humans simply by nature of gender, religion, skin color, age etc. Hell most people won't even admit non-human animals are sentient.
“This is what we, humans, do too when we talk.”

Citation needed.

I mean, it’s possible right? That we’re just randomly sampling sentences. Maybe that’s all we do. But it’s a hell of a strong claim that necessitates strong evidence.
Also with your custom UI framework, you will need to re-implement a text editor from scratch which is a pretty daunting task by the way [0]. Do you also have plans to open source the text editing / make text editing a part of the framework? Text editing (right there with accessibility) is the core reason why one would not go with a pure immediate mode GUI for any app. I guess you are baking immediate mode with some extras?

[0] https://www.construct.net/en/blogs/ashleys-blog-2/simple-sof...
Yes. And? It’s not like you’d embed that in a C program.

Yaegi was built with a very narrow use case: golang plugins for Traefik proxy. It’s a golang library for evaluating golang code. That’s it. You can go through the hoops of calling from C into a golang program that then evals some other golang code via Yaegi but that’s probably not going to be the most efficient way of doing it and it’s far from embedded. So yeah, if you have an existing golang program and needs scripts with everything what golang offers, go for Yaegi.

Umka solves a different problem.
That is what we do when we talk, but that is not all we do when we talk. In composing this comment, I am not just stringing together words to create what I think constitutes a maximally appealing response to your comment. I am trying to convey an idea that I believe with the goal of helping others to understand something. These language AIs do not have the capability of believing anything and do not have any goal but to create a believable response.
This LaMDA story reminds me of another article I found last year about a man who fed his deceased girlfriend's chats to GPT3 [1] and believed the system was giving the answers she would have. Both articles rely on the operators taking the smallest amount of evidence and ignoring everything else, which I guess is what this article calls "the gullibility gap" (awful name).

Getting your audience to do the heavy lifting for you is a great trick. If it works for theater and video games, I don't see why it shouldn't work for tech too. Just don't call it "sentience".

[1] https://www.sfchronicle.com/projects/2021/jessica-simulation...
I'm working for the local university in their software development branch. I'm not based in the US might be relevant info. So far, it's pretty good! Pay isn't great, but acceptable for me. Our dev machines are a lot less powerful than I had thought they would be, but we're running Debian/Ubuntu on them with IntelliJ Idea for Java EE development. They feel a lot more responsive than the corporate Windows 10 and Visual Studio stack we had for C#, so I'm not complaining.

I'm personally involved in our open science projects, the other projects are all for internal use. Overall I greatly enjoy not needing to squeeze profit out of what we do :)
We had an 'undersupply' problem in NZ until very recently. It seemed like it was all the media ever talked about. Then inflation hit, rates went up, and property prices started declining rapidly (current rate of decline looks like NZD5000/w on a median priced home over the past few months). Suddenly, the number of properties on the market is up 2-3x in the major cities and available rentals have doubled in places. Rents are falling even as commentators claim landlords will try to pass on their increased holding costs to their tenants.

Where have those properties all come from?

Consider that all properties are either investments or owner-occupied. By definition owner-occupiers don't keep empty (or underutilised properties - assuming second homes and holiday homes can be categorised as investments). Therefore, if there are more investors active (or more correctly, investment properties) in the market, the proportion of empty or underutilised homes is going to be higher. Investment activity in the market has undoubtedly been increasing for some time.

What appears to be happening is that our underutilised housing stock is now being revealed as investors panic. The same thing happened in Ireland during the GFC.

There are many reasons investors will leave properties empty or underutilised during a speculative boom (renovating to flip, on the market, good old fashioned landbanking, a convenient city pad or holiday home, etc). There is much more of this about than people realise.

I am very confident that rising interest rates are going to turn out to be a good thing for renters and first time buyers. It'll just take a bit of time and some economic upheaval.
I took less days off the past two years but not because of work from home. Mostly because covid and I couldn't do the things I wanted to do. This year I'll probably end up with 4-6 weeks off simply because the places I want to travel to are available now.
What is "fullstack framework" supposed to mean? "It can do everything"?
Humans historically preferred to live in standalone houses because it was the only way to achieve relative comfort, and of course building bigger mansions on more land (populating them with servants to take care of it all) signaled wealth.

Now we have the technology to build to live densely and in comfort, and we also see what a disaster we generally are to the environment. I wish we slowly started to consider it ethically not OK to want to move to untouched areas and demand them to be developed and infrastructure erected.
This feels a lot like a prediction for an upcoming "Run on the bank" - when everyone wants their cash out I am pretty sure that there will not be enough.
> He's the largest owner of American farmland.

There is 900 million farm acres of farmland in the US. Bill gates owns about 270K acres of farmland. So even though he is the largest private owner of farmland, he owns less than 0.1% of all farmland in the US.

Ref: https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-bill-gates-blackrock-7...
And with Co-Pilot you don't even need to do that anymore!
> How do you think that people think? If there is nothing beyond the physical world, then the way people think is just physical interactions between microscopic particles. Those can be simulated by a powerful-enough computer.

I believe nearly all propositions about people thinking are unintelligible.

I also believe propositions about going beyond the physical world are unintelligible.

If you’re taking about parts of software, I fail to see how you are not talking about algorithms. The use of the word “simulation” seems completely irrelevant to me.

> So, no, "know" and "think" are not labels for an algorithm, but labels for things that can happen inside brains,

Or are using the word “think” to identify some phenomena I can observe with a brain and a microscope?
I haven’t seen the movie, but aren’t the Zagros mountains a short distance from the Persian Gulf?
Engineering for Failure
If you can not detect the difference between someone having something to say and mimicing what you are saying, is there a difference?

That's essentially what the turing test is about is it not? Now if you are saying there is a difference no matter if you can detect it or not, I would argue you imply that sentience is an internal state that can not be tested. I don't consider that an acceptable outcome, because it can be used to declare anyone/everything non-sentient.
Well obviously, but that is not the counterpoint to what I was saying at all. If you see science that you don’t “believe” is true, then you need to do science to show us it isn’t true before speaking out about it. Maybe not everywhere, but at least here on HN people still prefer to take reason and proof over anecdotal stories from your undocumented and limited experiences.

Please note that I don’t mean to say your anecdotal experiences can’t be interesting, just that they can’t be used as science until you do the work to actually prove that they aren’t just your experiences.
I found the present article to be very anti-intellectual. As in, it makes LaMDA an open-and-shut case, a priori. It does not seek to define intelligence nor sentience; it merely says “nothing to see here, people.”

This refusal to consider has the effect of making me think there might be something really interesting going on.
Not going to happen (unless we enter an extremely disintigrative/politically unstable phase where you don't want to live here because there's too much violence.) We're bringing in/birthing more people than we're building houses for and the cost of labor to build new ones is going up.
> The only caveat I can see is it requires a $100/year developer certificate

Does it? I know it did for sending notifications in Safari on macOS, but I think this time it does not. See [0]: "You don’t need to join the Apple Developer Program to send web push notifications."

[0]: The only caveat I can see is it requires a $100/year developer certificate
You don’t need free will to have desires and act on them. I doubt many people freely choose to get hungry or thirsty. But they consciously recognize their own internal desires and apply their intelligence to satisfy them.