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Why does only the high school graduate get to invest? Can't the college graduate invest some of his excess earnings?
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> Then you'd be stuck supporting old versions of jQuery.

No, support only core functions of jQuery. All of them.

You know what is old version? Stuff like getElementById() .
it's a design patent. I don't think the patent examiners are supposed to watch all of Youtube to maybe find a similar device dated 16 years back.

But since it's known now, Apple can just stop, pay everybody's legal bills and be done with it...
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I cannot really say how much I needed this. Just yesterday I was writing a bash script for one of my side-projects and I wrote a ruby script just to parse JSON and called that ruby script within bash.
It would be helpful to cite the patent in question, I presume we are referring to D'889, more precisely known as D504,889.

When you are critiquing a patent on HN, you should bring some novel ideas to the table, rather than generally disparaging the patent.

D'889 is a Design Patent. See: http://www.uspto.gov/patents/resources/general_info_concerni... for what a Design patent is.

Your critique could likely take multiple approaches. You could critique the concept of a patent in general. You could critique design patents. Or, you could critique this particular design patent.

My question to you - have you read through D'889, (which you can look up here: http://www.google.com/patents)

By the way - I completely agree with you that D'889 is overly vague, covered a design that had prior art - most famously in kubrick's 2001. See:
http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2011/08/24/139925696/sam...

What I'd be interested is why, in particular, a generic design patent covering nothing more than "Tablet" was used by Apple in anything more than a defensive posture. They didn't invent the concept or design - they just executed on it. Patents should be awarded for novel designs, processes - not on the filing of other people's published work.
This seems similar to this classic quote:

I made this letter longer than usual because I lack the time to make it short.
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Yeah, unfortunately natural selection doesn't favor intelligence.
You'd think a thermostat should be a trivial device.

But you'd be amazed at the complexity people come up with for thermostats, including hundred page manuals, etc., and no way to turn the heat off.
My first thought was "Wow, Thermostats? Thats really boring!" but after a few minutes and looking at his products, hes a genius, this is a prime example of an industry run by dinosaurs that needs disruption.
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Now, in what way does that involve wikipedia, and who are you accusing of using WP for "original research"?
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so it takes 2-3 years from idea to launch to profitable? my question if that's not correct is how long does it take you to go from idea to today? at what point of the timeline when it becomes profitable?

thanks.
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From a business standpoint, it seems like Nest Labs will be spending a lot of their time explaining the reason their product is relevant to the consumer. The market is there, but like Tony said in the video, its at a contractor level. Rarely does a consumer decide they need to purchase a thermostat on their own. So if they're honestly planning to sell to consumers directly, they'll have to basically create a marketplace out of an uninterested and uninformed client base. Seems difficult, but rather interesting nonetheless.
Your DDoP attack would essentially work, at least under the current US system of things. Having an actual built and tested thing is not required.

A patent claim (a numbered thing at the back of a patent), is, at its core, a paragraph. The claim/paragraph is "the invention" and something that is captured by that claim is "an embodiment of the invention."

If you were trying to invalidate a patent claim and you had a choice between A) that exact same paragraph or B) a thing that literally did what the paragraph said, you would almost always go with "A".

The problem with B is that you have to map it to that paragraph to see if they are the same thing. That would entail substantial argument and would potentially require a jury to find the fact that B = A or B != A.
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>No one has ever suggested throwing out all other power generations in favour of only one renewable method

And I didn't either. I just said Solar will always remain niche because of the inherent characteristics of it. You can't make the sun shine 24 hours a day, day in, day out and create baseload power. You can add capacity and use storage, but you'll never be able to make it competitive as you do so, because your efficiency drops as you do. You can be passionate about solar, but you can't ignore the facts.

>Hydroelectric power provides a huge amount of baseload for some regions already.

Agreed. Hydro is a fantastic power source and should be expanded because it brings water supplies and electricity, two of the building blocks of civilisation. And this has nothing to do with solar.

>when load is much lower because industrial users use far more power

Large industrial users like aluminium smelting will run whenever the power is cheapest. If that means smelting at night, they will. Worker overtime is a fraction of the savings they will make through cheaper power Aluminium is literally congealed electricity. Again, nothing to do with solar, but I thought I would add it.

Bottom line ; solar will always remain niche, it will have an important part to play in sunny regions where it correlates well with power usage for cooling, but it will never displace baseload power generation by other means.
No. I read a newspaper article about how some mayor or governor tried to get that to happen some years ago, big tax breaks for businesses etc, but that it all fell apart. There may or may not be some startups there, but when I left in July 2010 there sure wasn't much programming work at least, for what that's worth. It doesn't look like it actually is, otherwise I'd be tempted to say it looks like a PR piece.
I'd like to point out two additional potential explanations.

3) Children born to wealthy parents are more likely to go to better primary and secondary schools (possibly private schools, or possibly by living in better neighborhoods.) This generally leads to smarter people as mentioned in #2.

4)Secondly, wealthy (or even middle-class) parents are more likely to have a culture of appreciation for education, as education likely played some part in getting them to where they are, and that culture will tend to rub off on their children.
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Aren't you missing another very important number? Avg # of sunny dys per mth. The system is going to generate near $0 of electricity per mth if the pv sees little sun exposure.
This is their friendly explanation
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For those that want to see the stream (looks like an email is required).
It wouldn't hurt to post your location, country at the very least. This is an international site, most banks aren't.
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For me making a start up is like making my dream home.I know how the doors,windows,rooms and every single thing will feel like.But no matter how much i know and want to make it.I need a architect to design my idea and a contractor to make it for me.They don't say u should learn it and make it ur self. I Respect the fact the coder,hacker and developer are bless with the talent to do coding. Start up need a different type of coding it not something a beginner can learn and code.I hate the fact the coders think coding is so simple and everyone can do it.I am a mechanical Engineer and m sure doing a NDT test is the easiest thing on world.Not the case for your. Dont underestimate coding,It just like any other profession in which one few are good. You know i tried learning coding and you know wat i realized.I want to learning in the process my doing my first web project will help me learn. I dont want to underestimate.But having a idea for you dream house or car or food or any other thing is not simple.There are hard working professional doing it everyday.The problem with web is people from every field use it so its common for those people to find a problem they want to solve. Thank you and peace :-)
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I assume its trivial for a device as advanced as this, but has anyone spotted if it supports Celsius? Not a big deal in an American market but i'd totally buy one for my home but we silly British people use the metric system.
Awesome, giving a presentation on Wednesday, and certainly using some of your tips. For the record, I agree that you have a great eye for design as well. Your one of the 'gifted' ones who are hackers and designers. You are a special breed. :)
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I can see this being useful. I use bash a lot to deploy small projects, find it's much easier to get a continuous deployment up and running than the fancier tools out there, in the early stages at least.
For more elaborate stuff, you can also use jshon (http://kmkeen.com/jshon/).
Yes, listen to your parents. I was also not that good at college and couldn't wait till I get out, but you need to go through it. You will get another job, enjoy college. You can never get that time back and sometime you will miss it.
Tricky one. College is an investment in your future. And it's not a linear gain I suppose. And if we're talking long term, inflation is going to bite that deposit in the ass no?

But yes your point is correct, it's not a simple formula. A bit of risk, a bit of "gambling", a bit of crystal ball.
Correct me if I'm wrong though but today only the stores see the products we buy, where as the credit card companies see only what we spend at each store. The combination is much more scary.
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I want one of these. Actually, I want 6 of these, along with an interface to the wood stove.

What I have are 6 independent programmable thermostats that each control an in wall heater, and a wood stove. I'd love data logging. I'd love all the sensing and intelligence. I want a thermocouple in the stove and in the flue and sensors to tell me when the dampers are in or out. Logged with house and outside temps.

I wonder if I can hack a zigbee into the current wall units.
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Capitalizing, not capitalizing on. As in spelling with a capital M, rather than a lower case m.
What you're seeing is actually the death of the second generation of great comp sci minds, IMO. The first modern generation included von Neumann (b. 1903), Hopper (b. 1906), Turing (b. 1912), and others. McCarthy (1927), Knuth (1932), Hoare (1934) etc. are of the next generation. Obviously, you can cut generations on any arbitraty line and YMMV, but the 15-20 year gap seems a reasonable grouping, IMO.
My apologies, my aim was US base folks, should have clarified.
I'm wondering about the installation part. It doesn't seem to me that the average user is just doing to go grab one and get it in himself.

I made my own computerized replacement for the thermostat in my house(1) and discovered that there were about 5 different possible wiring patterns depending on if you've got heat pumps, multi-stage, e-heat, gas, etc.

After much research I figured out how they are wired, how my house should be wired and... burned out a fuse on the circuit board inside the furnace because the original installer had switched 2 wires and just said "screw it" and left it that way.

I had to remove and trace the circuit board with my fluke meter just to get my AC back. Its one thing for rich guys building their smart-house in Tahoe to choose this, but quite another for Joe average to go grab one at Home Depot and take it home and get it going. Calling your "Nest dealer" to schedule an install just seems like a nonstarter for the added cost this will add to what already seems pretty high.

As a geek though, the wifi part seems pretty cool. As long as it was sufficiently open, it could have saved me a bunch of work making my own HVAC interface.(2)

(1) My philosophy was that I didn't need a "thermostat" at all. The computer that does all of the other smart-house stuff for me should control the temperature as well.

(2) Proliphix makes a pretty decent openly programmable WIFI enabled thermostat but they cost around $600.
Funny you picked that story. The study was for woman cyclists having higher fatal collision with trucks than men. The study doesn't say cyclists stopped at traffic light having a higher chance of fatal collision with trucks. The news report picked two collisions and twisted the study's conclusion. Looks to me pretty bad reporting.

> Get. A. Fucking. Grip.

Nice way to live up to the angry biker image. Calm down.
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Boilerplate: your language is bad. Switch to a better one, or modify the front-end of your compiler (they probably won't let you, though, and that sucks). I mean it, the cost of boilerplate is really high.

Unrolling loops: I never saw an instance where that was necessary. Plus, the compiler can often do it for you. I know we often use high performance applications (video decoders, 3D games…), but very, very few of us write ones.

Switch statement: the syntax of the construct is heavy, we should lighten it. The rest is hardly boilerplate any more:

light_switch (expr) {
1 : i11; i12; // "break;" is implicit
42 : i21;
: i_default; // "default" is implicit
}

Preprocessor macros: I agree (I mean, I back-pedal), they are more useful than the rest. However, I still avoid them by default, as they make really good foot-guns.

Goto: your example shows exceptions (try…catch finally here). Goto makes much less sense when you have them.

Now my point isn't to never do those things at all. Only to think of them as last resorts. The "Chtulu Abomination" metaphor helps me do that.
Rick Hickey recently gave a talk entitled "Simple Made Easy" (http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3135185) where he contrasts simple and easy. Jobs' quote jumped out at me because I was thinking about this concept the other day while on a run, after watching Hickey's talk.

Simplicity (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simplicity) is the result of understanding. Einstein knew this. He spent the last 30 years of his life chasing a simple equation, "perhaps no more than one inch long," that would explain all physical phenomena.

"If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough." - Einstein
John McCarthy invented Lisp, but he also arguably contributed to its demise.
My first reaction to seeing the Samsung tablet was that they flagrantly copied Apple. The connecting cable is nearly identical (what's the probability of that) and the single button in the glass looks stolen from the id of the iPhone/IPad. I'm not a fan of patents, especially software, but there's no reason to violate a design patent because you could make it so many different ways. Samsung is lazily riding Apple's cost tails on this one.
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This article is right on the money and it is up to each parent to let their kids get away from TV and screens and get outside and be kids.
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My experience shows me that there are no magic snake instant solutions. The only way to improve productivity is to gradually change your everyday routine for the better. One can do it by trying different things and sticking to the ones that work for you.

One thing that is certain is that guilt and self-loathing are as unproductive as it gets. This approach won't get you far because the brain doesn't work that way. I am sure we all have read plenty articles on this issue [1].

For example, try something along the lines of Magic Work Cycle [2] or Pomodoro technique [3]. Caffeine and other nootropics can also be helpful. Jogging is the best nootropic I know.

[1] http://youarenotsosmart.com/2010/10/27/procrastination/

[2] http://www.magicworkcycle.com/

[3] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pomodoro_Technique

I hope some of it was useful.
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Oops. Sorry. My mistake. I didn't read correctly, and put a negation where there wasn't.
Yeah, I definitely thought this was a great feature in the beginning but quickly realized how messy it made my desktop when I opened applications. I find it is only useful when forcing a restart after software updates, etc...
Also assumes some kid doesn't throw a brick onto your roof (etc)
Maintainance in this case involves the effort of deploying to servers, compiling it as necessary, and similar efforts. The deployment process is complex as is (internally, of course --- it's one script to run --- but that doesn't help if something obscure breaks). I suppose it would be possible to produce it as a python package and use those standard methods, but at that point it makes sense to open source and then it should be beefed up and so on and so forth.
This is brilliant. This is the kind of innovation that we should idolize. I feel like we tend to get excited about things like Facebook, Foursquare, Instagram or Color, if it combines all the right buzzwords like social, mobile and photos. We tend to forget what real innovation is.

Well, this is it. You're taking a boring, underserved segment of the market and revolutionizing it. And guess what, the potential for social good and the environment is much greater when you redesign the thermostat, than when you make another social mobile picture-sharing service.
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I'm sure that there are many, many folks that haven't realized the true power of "code is data" yet as of now. It is just not that easy to fit in your head especially if you come from a static language.
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I love this...this is something I have been thinking about a lot lately. Ever since I built my first web app, although it's not a major achievement, I have looked at the world so differently.

There are so many little things that I look at and say, there MUST be a better way to do this....or...why does this still look so ugly?

I am glad that Tony has done this with the Thermostat, but it just dawned on me that this could be Steve Jobs legacy.

It is these startups that are founded by people that spent a few years working with Jobs that are so unhappy with the status quo that they have to build something themselves.

The future looks bright.

Even though I don't have central cooling here in Jamaica, I can definitely understand that Thermostat problem and I feel like buying one because it looks so sexy.

It solves a major problem in an elegant way, and helps control my energy bill?

Plus 1!
So, how do the current thermostats get installed?
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Maybe not genetically superior, but certainly culturally stronger. Old people have old ways of thinking.
In a very weird way having your first kid is kind of like having sex for the first time. I think it throws a switch, somewhere deep in your brain, the part that hasn't changed much since we walked out upright into the grasslands.

I imagine there is all this code in your brain that doesn't run because 'if (kid)' resolves to false. It can freak people out when that code starts being run. I've never met anyone who thought it was like they had imagined it would be. Kind of like sex in that regard.

I resonated with a lot of what Jeff wrote. And the funny thing was after my first kid I became an expert. I studied her and figured out all the responses to various stimuli, created models and developed strategies. Then when I had my second I discovered I knew nothing. I didn't give up trying to make models but I've spent time discovering the unique value that each of my children brought with them to this world.

Sometimes, it doesn't feel like I had children, it feels like they were simply waiting for me to be ready to meet them.
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Not a normal HN piece on first blush, but some fantastic lessons from real life excerpts of conversations. Check out this one for negotiation:

> Braves: 1:30 p.m. Wren text message – We see Bourn valued down a level from Pence for our club. We like the run production and power of Pence, and Bourn is a run creator. That doesn’t do as much for us. That is too rich for us. Thanks, Frank.

Interesting reading the negotiating position, language choices, brevity, etc. "Thanks, Frank."
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I suspect hristov was snarkily pointing out that Wikipedia does not actually allow first-hand knowledge as a source.
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Off hand, I'd guess that the contractor who builds the house puts in the cheapest thing he can find, it works until it breaks and the HVAC guys get called "cuz the heat's broke". If a new thermostat is required, the cycle begins again.

If this is indeed the case, then its no surprise that thermostats are the most boring, user unfriendly things imaginable because they are more or less universally selected by price alone.