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But there are a few of these coming from HN readers; they just never pick up momentum. The thing is that MOST 'employers' also like to pay $500 for something which 'we know' cannot be done under $20k.

I did a lost of tests and spending 10x$500 for a project I know is worth $20k actually works very well. You just put 10 bidders separately on the same project and 1 or 2 turn out great. While the rest is of horrible 'quality', if they deliver anything at all. Yes you have to 'sit on them' more than you probably would for $20k teams, but it saves $15k. And i'm not kidding here.

This was actually just testing; I have regular people to do projects who I know and trust (and pay more obviously). We were trying to get ideas to open our own freelancer site; we gave up in the end because for employers there is not much upside. You have heard it before and you'll hear it a lot of times; there are complete novices who get nice stuff done on these sites without paying much and not caring about quality, code as long as it works. And that's on freelancer sites, sites like Digitalpoint forums are much much worse; you can get complete designs done for $5-10 and have projects implemented for $100-500 and that's considered a lot usually there.

In short, what makes you solve this I wonder?
Here are some sites that have some similarity to what you described:

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http://hotpads.com/
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Rubbish. Most networks have a special contract specifically for iphone users who get a phone. It costs a small fortune more than the contract for other phones. You can also buy a simcard only contract that includes no phone - again, cheaper.
> Gates foresaw that by licensing the OS and allowing it to run on any IBM PC compatible computer it would commodify HW.

That was happening before gates -- MS-DOS 1.0, renamed from QDOS (Quick and Dirty Operating System) was a clone of CP/M, an O/S that had already been available for essentially every hardware capable 8080 or Z80 based system at the time. MS-DOS was just a clone for 8088/8086 based systems.

The fact that 8088/8086 became the dominant PC architecture (rather than e.g. 68K) has a lot to do with IBM's lack of innovation (they just needed to counter apple's rise, so they built something which was very close to an intel reference design -- making clones easy and mostly legal).

To a lesser extent, this was also happening with Unix.
I dunno. I had some success with the platform, porting a Phonegap based Android/iOS application. I'm still working out the tweaks, but Microsoft's support of Phonegap has really been an incentive to consider supporting the platform.
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Interesting.. Any experimentation with say, 2x 2500, 5x 1000 etc? There must be a sweet spot.
Yeah I been working on a laptop on a dining room table for the last week. I think I get more done, it has been so uncomfortable that I do only what is necessary, no reddit or HN breaks to slow me down.
Yeah..
Spent about 15K on it..
oDesk basically sucks.
The only way to properly outsource work is to pay when everything is delivered.

Will never ever do this again.
Thank you for this report. I'll try to make it work on Ubuntu, expect the documentation to be updated in the next few days.

PS: if you're the 'leopard' who requested a redmine account, it should be activated now, feel free to report it there.
"I think we need more and more materials out there on good TDD and OOD..."

Which materials do you recommend?
Personally, I'd be happiest if I never had to view or listen to another advert again. I can get away with this by timeshifting TV and listening to the BBC instead of commercial radio (the quality of the BBC output is generally higher anyway and seemingly no one's been able to sustain a commercial equivalent of Radio 4). Of course, vehical side advertising and billboards are unavoidable, but that's life I guess.

Re cinema advertising. In the UK, the cinemas only start to fill up after the adverts are over.

We have about 10 minutes of adverts followed by 10 minutes of trailers. The seats start to fill up while the trailers are on. A lot of people take it as a given that the film will start 20 minutes after the advertised time and so plan accordingly.
Thanks, good example. Actually, the goal isn't to maintain it as a running site at first. An example that comes to mind, since I use it at my work, is the Jira system, this is a web app that companies buy and run their own copies of so if you were building something like this as an open source project, you don't have to worry about setting up a version of the site running live to gain a user base (at least in th e early stages), I agree that it wouldn't work to maintain it as a running, public facing web app while its at least in the early stage of open source development
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Lovely design.

The "500 Startups" Logo sticks out like a very sore thumb.
Why do so many people say Java is slow? What's slow? In fact Java compares fairly well against pretty much everything except C.
It's a memory hog, but it sure isn't slow, whatever that means.
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At the time, IE6's chief competitor was a bloated, slow, crashing version of Netscape. My first job after high school and before college was that of a web developer. If I recall correctly, we damned Netscape just as much for being so bad, as IE 4 and 5. "Cross-browser compatibility" -> FML. If you omitted the border attribute a table suddenly got 2 pixels of cell spacing in Netscape. Agony all around.

AOL completely blew it when they acquired Netscape.

You can't explain a drop from a 85-90% market share to 3-5% over the course of 6 years with shady MS tactics alone.
They didn't back it from day one. At first they tried to shut them down, but then they started noticing that all these hacks for both Kinect and WP7 are giving them a lot of media attention. That's when they started embracing the hacks - sort of.
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Can you just put a link to your oDesk profile in your vWorker profile ?
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There are "free" Android phones with a lot smaller contracts.
There would also be no timezones. I have that watch, it's cool.
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That's just a convention. I don't much care if temperature today will be 28 C or 28.5 C, it doesn't matter and it varies anyway. We really don't need that much precision in temperatures.
I've learned programming on a website similar to elance (rentacoder, now known as vworker). Started with simple logo design jobs, advanced to simple php scripts, then c++, java, etc..
It was worth for me, coming from a developing country where $200 back then was an average month's salary, but i don't think it's too tempting for western countries.

For being successful reputation matters a lot. I was the top result for "android" queries on elance for over a year, and that allowed me to bid over the average, and that helps. I ended up eventually with a more permanent contract that pays better than most jobs on elance, but still not as good as a lot of Silicon Valley jobs.

So, that's where elance stands. Perfect if you're in a developing country :)
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Is Flipboard that big of a deal? Why integrate with it? What have I been missing?
Digital Research licensed CP/M to everyone; CP/M machines were more varied in hardware than PCs of the time, but CP/M software _was_ portable.

This was already in progress, and Digital Research was already working on CPM86, just too slow and not business savvy. Had microsoft not snatched the IBM deal, PC prices would have probably looked the same, perhaps one or two years delayed.

I have personally witnessed Microsoft bullying in 1990 in a project I was involved with. BeOS (and other alternative PC operating systems) died mostly because of Microsoft bullying. That's a big part of Gates' legacy, and probably will be for a long time to come.
That is an interesting way of putting it. I (metric since birth) find that zero degrees centigrade is a very strong signal that things are getting cooler or warmer. I would think that, from a usability point of view, zero is easier to retain than thirty two (assuming that ice is an important factor in your neck of the woods).
Given how fashion-driven Apple products are, who'd want an iPhone 3GS?
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uhm, according to their benchmark io.js write performance dropped from 21mb/s to 17mb/s in linux but rose from 12mb/s to 33mb/s in windows.
So it seems that windows node implementation is now twice faster (for I/O) than linux one..are they only focusing on windows platform?
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The IBM PC spec was included with the IBM PC (or sold for $100 or so). Schematics, BIOS source code, everything. IBM was meticulously documenting everything, and that was actually common and expected at the time (e.g. I had the same info about my ZX Spectrum; I remember the same info was available for the Apple][ and C-64 at the time).

A defining moment was when the "clean room" approach to implementing a BIOS was certified non infringing by courts. Clones were available (as in, 5 years or so) before that moment, but the BIOSes had a cloud of copyright uncertainty.
And C++ classes merely compile to C methods with mangled names that also take a pointer to a C struct, the first member of which is a pointer to an array of such functions, and whose remaining members are the fields.

If you (or GP) are going to argue that C++ is no more productive than C simply because cfront turns C++ into C, then I think theory has gotten in the way of reality.
That's a regression we'll probably have fixed in 0.6.1.

Note that I/O read performance is up 35%, from 19.7 mb/s in 0.4 to 26.6 mb/s in 0.6.
I don't know why people think the foundation is a good thing.

They deploy the same nasty tactics that the company does.

That is not a charity.
> one of them would've gotten a dominant position without DOS/Windows, possibly, though not necessarily, giving us a dominant player that would've been far less aggressive about using illegal methods to undermine their competition.

It's worth noting that Apple wanted to control both the hardware and the operating system, just as they do now. I'm glad we don't live in a world with a dominant player controlling both of those.
Ask HN: Which Language to Start With for Beginner (with good job prospects)?
I am looking to start a journey into web development that will (hopefully) lead to being in a good place to get a job in the web development field.

I know basic HTML and CSS but in regard to what comes after that I am a bit overwhelmed with the choices (Python/Django, Ruby/Rails, node.js, PHP etc).

I am a totally blank slate so I have no bias for any language, I would ideally like to learn one that will be in high demand within 6 months to a year when I will feel comfortable developing with it - I don't suppose there is a clear favourite language that most new startups are going with?

I guess my question is - if you were to start over again today, which language would you choose to start with?
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I found it a bit odd that writes for linux went down from 22MB/s to 17MB/s when Windows writes went way up from 13MB/s to 34MB/s. This at the same time as read performance went up to 27MB/s for both systems.

Edit: Seems like it's a regression that will likely be fixed for 0.6.1.
Hmm, Gates' approach is responsible for some monumental inefficiency in the PC landscape.

The fact that microsoft's technology is more or less irelevant to anybody who works outside of the internal corporate ecosystem these days is a nice, and fitting testament to Gates' failures. Kudos to him to leaving the industry to do something more useful with his cash at the right time. Jobs appaears to have died at a fitting time, considering he never had to re-position himself the way that gates' has had to. <disclaimer>I have relatives who benefit from the B&MG foundation</disclaimer>
We're aware of that.

But "free (with contract)" is a powerful marketing device, and as a result any points made in reference to it are likely to stand.
The 3GS has a modern CPU and GPU, very similar to the iPhone 4's, and run the latest iOS 5, so it shouldn't really cause headaches for you as a dev.
"Predatory practices" or whatever you want to call bundling stuff with the operating system - is not against the law.

UNLESS you are using a monopoly you have in one field, to further a monopoly in another. Which is what Microsoft were doing (as decided by courts). Lookup "antitrust" and "sherman act" for the US legislature, but similar laws exist in all western countries.

Apple never had such a monopoly position. Some "smart" people claim that apple has 100% monopoly on selling Apple products, and should thus be subject to similar antitrust provisions. Apple now has ~10% market share of personal computers. Microsoft at the time had >90% market share. That's why they they were regulated. Not just because they were anticompetitive.
Direct link to a list of changes you have to make to your codebases: https://github.com/joyent/node/wiki/API-changes-between-v0.4...

Question: Since this doesn't look that complex, is anyone working on an automagical translator from 0.4 to 0.6 that people could use?
Is there a description of your benchmark machines / benchmark process anywhere?

Keep up the great work, btw! I'm pretty excited to move up to Node 0.6 (probably-statistically-insignificant regression on IO-write regardless)!
When it comes to software engineering, I always think back to my first year Calculus teacher, Mike Lavender, and his admonishment that "in mathematics, power tools are consider inelegant where hand tools will do." Words to live by in programming and engineering.

So I'd go so far as to redefine elegance in software programming and engineering as "simplicity perfected." The simple fact is that where requirements change, a well engineered simple solution will usually turn out to be more agile than a heavily engineered, complex one (whether programmed with "agile" methodologies or not).

When one takes the idea of trying to perfect simplicity in the art of programming (and software engineering), it becomes easier to recognize foot-guns and inherent problems, and tradeoffs often become more conscious and controlled.

So while my view is slightly different from the article, it's difference is perhaps one of nuance rather than substance.
That's not the point of the article... the "non-free" Android phones are also under contract! That $150 Android phone would otherwise cost you $400 or more.
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It's all code plus data. I can implement any java, C#, Xtend feature in C or assembly language, but by your argument that makes C# no more expressive then C.

If this is your argument, then it would appear that your argument is that the entire class of imperative languages are a waste of time and we should all be using lisp or scala.

Back in the real world, I find C# to be more productive than C, because I am able to express myself more succinctly. Xtend seems to do that for java. In the imperative world, your definition of expressibility is insufficient to determine increases in productivity.
A lot of people live paycheck to paycheck and just don't have $300 to pay upfront. This deal ought to appeal to them.
That's not really true. I'm on Rogers here in Canada. Pre-paid used to give you some limited data connectivity, but they removed the option, and left it for dumb phones only. If you want to use a smartphone on pre-paid there is no way to add monthly data. The only option they offer is a $4 per DAY special data package. So I have to get a contract.

My 3GS is still running fine, altho slowly with iOS5. It will last me until the iPhone 5.
In my opinion it's the Android market that's fashion-driven. They are constantly releasing new models, which usually don't get the latest software updates, and are usually differentiated by cosmetic differences or software skins.

The iPhone 3GS is still a very capable device anyway.
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Are you part of Groovy's echo system too?
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Marketing: who is the client? what image are they trying to create? what are the target demographics? how much time do they have? how much money do they want to spend? which mediums should be targeted?

Those factors can change quickly depending on news and current affairs, someone beating you to an original idea, technological changes and business changes (mergers, new services/products becoming the focus).

Software development, by your metrics, is very similar. Instead of selling marketing people, you're selling programmers.
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Microsoft did the same with software. It's called "Embrace & Extend". Of the available evils at the time, the Amiga was ridiculously better thought out and implemented.

The PC hardware of 1995 was still quite far behind the Amiga hardware of 1985 (which had 14 bit stereo DMA sound or 4 channel 8 bit DMA sound, 2D hardware acceleration and sprites, and more). The PC operating system of 1995 was starting to equal the Amiga operating system of 1985 (Win95 had separate memory space, which was better than AmigaOS 1.0's shared space -- but otherwise, Win95 was mostly inferior)

I'd wait 1-2 years for cheaper standards. I'd rather pay a little more for getting to the future 10 years in advance.
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i'm using SongBird, and it's quite nice. It reads most formats, sorts songs correctly, sync (though not wirelessly) to about anything. It's more feature complete than this (shuffle, repeat, playlists, lastFM connection, video, etc) and it's open source (yes, that's quite important a feature to me).
I heard a story the other day where a new computer magazine was starting up in Brazil in the late 1990s. Microsoft went to them and offered to take full page ads. But when the price came into question, Microsoft PR said they would not pay, and that the magazine should just run Microsoft ads for free, because "nobody trusts a computer magazine if Microsoft isn't advertising in it."

This is classic Microsoft practice, and this is why so many people hate the company. I don't hate Bill, and I'm sure most people don't hate him personally either, but he was CEO of this company that has made many, many bad things happen.
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This is absolutely true. I've worked both solo and in small teams many times and whenever I've worked with others (particularly senior developers) who had decent skills I always learned a lot. When you work by yourself you don't have the benefit of other people to bounce your code off of, or of being exposed to various techniques, methodologies and tools you may not have discovered if left to your own devices.
SongBird supports LastFM perfectly, doesn't take 15 minutes to boot, and doesn't come with annoying storefront, ping and other stuff I don't want to see. You should give it a try.
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Three-second review: Wow, this would be really great if I was still a twelve-year-old boy who thinks that white text on a black background is the bee's knees.

Also that twelve-year-old boy would probably have to not be used to playing all of his music out of a few Smart Playlists. Not that I've downloaded and tried Winamp but I am guessing it doesn't do those because no "iTunes alternative" has ever had that.

But I guess the people who actually spend a lot of time looking at their music player will like this because it can import the awesome skin with a hot anime babe on it that they had to abandon when they switched to a Mac? I guess. I dunno, iTunes spends 99% of its time on my machine hidden, being controlled by Quicksilver hotkeys, and telling me what's playing via Growl alerts.
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