It is fair to say I didn't specifically cite a source.

U.S. Department of Justice

https://bjs.ojp.gov/content/pub/ascii/vdhb.txt

39% of burglars were armed

28% of the time someone was home during the burglary

7% ended in violence. Not 7% of the 28% 7% of the total or 1 in 4 people who found someone home victimized them. Let me quote the report for clarity.

> A household member was present in roughly 1 million burglaries
and became victims of violent crimes in 266,560 burglaries.

The most common crime is simple assault but rapes, shootings, and murders happen.

Lets rewind for a moment and re-center the discussion on what was said.

>> There are (conservatively) hundreds of thousands of defensive gun uses per year in the United States

> In all civilized countries, these are called murders. Someone entering your home does not give you the right to shoot them.

We were never talking about what to do if someone burgled you while you were away. The entire sub discussion was whether shooting a burglar was a morally permissible response. The background facts are that you are going into the situation with a 1 in 4 not a 1.75% chance of being victimized.

Furthermore your burglar will keep doing what he is doing and he is going to crap out sooner rather than later and hurt someone else because he's going to keep putting himself in other people's houses with their kids.

At the population level helping addicts and shooting invading addicts aren't mutually exclusive. You offer all the help you can to people so you don't come into your house to steal your shit to sell for drugs. I'm absolutely on board with offering people help and I absolutely don't want to do harm to people.

While you are speculating I actually dealt with a fellow forcing his way into our home. He pushed his way in knocking my wife down in a position where she couldn't retreat. He didn't respond to a threat of imminent death in a rational way because he was on drugs. Nobody is dead nor even broke a bone because I opted for minimum violence and beat him him instead of trying to murder him. Furthermore we supported the prosecutors diverting him from prosecution into a drug treatment program because fucking his life after the fact wouldn't make us any safer.

Had it been the best choice to kill him I would have absolutely done it and I wouldn't have worried about his interests if they conflicted over much with me and mine. I certainly wouldn't render my family unsafe in order to preserve his life nor should I. Nor should you!

With that user's interactions with me hopefully in the rear view mirror. I'm looking at the drug dealers/users coming in and out of the building mostly en route to the schizophrenic chick who runs her apartment like a drug flophouse handing out electronic keys to the "secure" building like sticks of gum. Her druggies and dealers have started making trouble about getting in now that the door is keyed for one key per person so their "keys" don't work any longer.

Myself and my wife have both been threatened and they tried to burn our building twice in the last 6 months lighting a fire in the stairwell that threatened the life of everyone in all 56 units. Despite being obvious arson with the wall and floor of the stairwell lit by someone who lit then fled on camera twice in the same spot a month apart this was classified as a accidental warming fire set by homeless people and nothing was done.

I have already been told "snitches get stitches" by the druggies and I fully expect for someone to make an attempt at violence that ends in fatality one way or the other in the future.

Forgive me therefore if I don't have sympathy for bleeding hearts that want to extend the warmth of human sympathy and kindness to folks who are already inside their house robbing it while they are in it! My sympathy is so far past zero the counter has rolled over.