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Ask HN: How to proceed if we do not get into YC2011?
Fellow Entrepreneurs and YC folks: I am part of a tiny team in India working on a product (global audience). We have applied to YC. As much as we want to get in, we understand there will be a thousand applications rejected this time. But we have made up our minds to do this even if we do not get into YC2011 (both founders have quit jobs). What strategies do we take in the case we are not in YC? How can we otherwise get the knowledge/guidance that YC startups get? How can we connect to the right people within Silicon Valley?

Note: we are looking for mostly the non-financial benefits of YC. Yes the money is important but when you are hell bent of doing something (specially an Internet startup: low capital) we feel money will be the last thing to stop us. Our team is our capital.
How would that be their best move? If he was interested in doing something at Apple, he'd already be there.
Same problem, same numbers. (China -> Atlanta). Is your VPN Juniper IVE by any chance?
I'd say Carmack cares more about rockets than about games, at this point. Who wouldn't?
Thanks for the clarification. So it has to be some sort of verbally transmitted code (ie. a phrase) since it's used over the radio? That pretty much takes out almost all the guesses posted here so far.
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This is what scares me. Apple is going to become a "good enough" company. The fact is that no one at Apple is going to have both the vision to see what matters, and the clout within the company to actually affect change. As Woz said, the product line for the near future will be fine, but the true test will come when they have to come up with what's next.
Yes its not your fault, but it's also not Google's fault. Your sense of entitlement is very surprising.
I'm living out my top-choice fantasy already: working on my web startup. Gaming is a secondary love, but if no one else gets around to it I definitely will.
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MSR may be the top organization in computer science today:

http://academic.research.microsoft.com/RankList?entitytype=7...
I think your speculation is too contaminated with a certain view you think society as a whole has.. it's quite.. immature. Also, I'm hopeful you don't take this comment seriously, although if history is any guide, you'll interpret this as a personal attack, go into defense mode and deny and wrongdoing. Fun times.
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It is actually really difficult to find out how much stuff costs at a hospital. That is one of my main complaints about the healthcare system. It is wasteful because the hospital environment makes you forget that things cost money, and that some tests have a very low probability of doing anything other than costing you money (not saying that was the case with your family member, just in general).

Hospitals really mess with people's cost-benefit analysis, which isn't normally too good to begin with. I was with someone in the hospital a few months ago, and we got the strangest looks when we tried to find out how much a test would cost. Ultimately we decided not to do the test, which was a long shot to find anything for a problem that wasn't very serious, and save a bunch of money. I wish there were some way to inject some more rationality into healthcare to get around the mindset of always doing everything possible, no matter the costs and possible benefits of treatments or tests.
You're scared of the post-PC era because you don't want to lose a nerd playground created by nerds for nerds. Most people don't want a nerd playground.
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What makes Finland such a wonderful place to live and raise a family may ultimately be what kills it as a startup hub."
The myth of the noble savage isn't dead yet, apparently.

Do you have two kids? Fancy both of them living to five? Right answer: you want to live in your world, not your history.
This happened in cars ages ago. I'm the only one of my friends who knows how to debug a carburetor.

hell, I'm the only one who cares.

and thats fine. not everybody cares. some people just want to drive.
DaVinci tackled a dozen fantasies pretty much simultaneously.

I think you're more capable than you give yourself credit for.
Yea, but everyone thinks they have an "amazing idea". That just comes with the territory of being an entrepreneur. If you can't get out there and convince others of your idea (via intros, YC, products, whatever...), then you'll most likely have trouble executing on even the best idea.
His interviews after he received the gdc lifetime achievement award suggest otherwise.
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Hah. Da Vinci was a time traveler though. Unfair advantage.
>>>>Doesn't this sound like an opportunity then?
>>Think incubators like yC and others are already onto this.

Did this not get directly refuted by PG in his earlier comment in this thread?

I am sorry - but your post rings so full of hubris and egotism that I cant take you seriously.

If I am just obtuse, then I apologize. Please consider the following;

>Most entrepreneurs would want to invest that energy into building their companies, not involved with too much political muck.

Where are you showing VCs/even YC to reduce political muck? It appears to be rampant. I see that the initial investment (YC seed, through others) has increased - but that does not prove the value to dollar ratio has necessarily increased at the same rate.

Political muck indeed.

>VCs / institutional folks are functionally services. Its like a 7 star hotel, there are some people who can afford to stay there. Some can even afford a presidential suite. They don't give a hoot about those that cannot pay the tab.. mostly because they are fielding all the demand they can get .. and have no time for anyone's feelings.

This is fucking BS; you state that Receiving VC is equic with CHOOSING to stay at a 7 star joint.

Look - people do NOT choose to stay at a 7 star place (no such thing) unless they already have the funds - in your case, you are saying that one only counts if they have already been included in the circle to, not only, receive the 7-star funds, but are also in a position to spend said funds on same resort.

Please correct me if I am wrong.

You sound like an MBA/Finance, uh, geek who entered into VC at too young of an age and the only person you have managed directly is the hot admin with big tits whom, had they not ordered your coffee correctly, you would have berated them for their poor upbringing.

Sorry - but, I do not think you are really of the proper domain expertise to be answering such threads.
What is synchronization? http://galileo.phys.virginia.edu/classes/109N/lectures/synch... Your sense of time ia very different from what relativity predicts.
Somewhat off-topic, but in order for Woz to get an iPhone he has to stand in line at an Apple store? Am I understanding that right...or is it just for publicity sake? I would've thought he would have enough connections inside to get a phone long before launch day and certainly not through a retail store.
Minor (very minor) quibble: You said "since Wolf3D"; but "since Commander Keen" would be more accurate.

Keen was possible due to a stroke of genius, letting him trick the monitor itself into becoming part of his "adaptive tile refresh" system. I'm a little hazy on the details, but... it's just a cool, little-known fact that Carmack made the very first "Mario-style" side scroller for the PC -- a feat that no one else managed to pull off.
Sorry, you couldn't be further from the truth. I was objecting to her because she was bad, not because she's a young woman.

Also, as to the whole "taking it seriously" part: please don't confuse genuine disagreement (I think you're very, very wrong) with prejudice. I don't take your comment as a personal attack, but rather as grossly misguided. I'm not offended by the labels of sexism and ageism, principally because I think they have no merit.

There're plenty of young women who could have done a great job in this interview; she is not one of them.
On the topic of usability, I agree with you about the changes made to mobile Safari on iPad. Also, those close tab buttons have tiny tap targets. I foresee this getting more annoying over time.
It was an experiment that met it's natural end.
I'm not talking about him, I'm talking about why these $85/month plans aren't the blanket answer to the question of solving medical bankruptcies among the uninsured.
Wouldn't Labs be a good place to link to them?
That wasnt the gist of his argument though.

He was talking about how they (VCs) are not in the business of vetting ideas - but pursuing sure things. Yet all the rhetoric around the VC industry says otherwise.
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I find it a little silly that people still think the problem in education lies with not adopting modern technology.

I'll say this again: the problem with modern education lies with bureaucracy and operational inefficiency. http://www.uwo.ca/ is a wonderful example. I feel like I should write a more detailed post about this.

I actually took the initiative to write several angry letters to the administration, and eventually got a meeting with the Registrar's office. Among other things, I told them about http://www.schedulizer.com which is pretty much everywhere in the USA already. Their response: "Well, if it doesn't cost us anything, we don't see any problems, and we don't need to do anything, we can potentially allow it to be implemented it in 3-4 years."
Minor quibble accepted!

It's easy to forget how crap PC graphics were at the time of Commander Keen. It was the first PC platform game I can remember that wasn't an obviously-CGA sprite flickerathon :)
Really? Interesting. I haven't kept up.

That's... Well, that's ironic. I wonder why he decided to pursue gamedev with more passion than rocketdev?
And I have enough savings to pull this off for decades should it come to that.

Granted if one gets so sick so as to max out the deductible every year consistently, one's life expectancy is probably not that long

If one stays healthy, unused money in the HSA becomes the equivalent of an IRA and can be used for nonhealth-related expenses after a certain age (I forget whether it's 59.5 or slightly higher).

I actually opted out of my employee plan when I was working in order to get in on this for the tax deduction. (My employer wasn't offering HSA eligible plans.)
Don't agree. I know of many non geeky pc user who learnt to sysadmin their machine and a lan in order to play CS.
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Regarding A-star, it doesn't generally come up in this kind of contest. When you are doing a TopCoder/ICPC/Project Euler problem and you need to find shortest paths, you need exact solutions because you want your result to match the judges' result. In a programming contest in which the programs compete against each other, instead of passing or failing, A-star would be much more important.
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No, I take it to heart. I can't really say any more than my suspicions. None of us will really know the truth. I'm happy with that. I just want to put my suspicions out there. Thanks for your thoughts.
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Wtf Rage is amazing and I've never seen a game that looks better. I would say that getting Rage done is quite an achievement. If hoped that JC would do a different game then you can doit yourself.
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For reference, Charlie did actually interview Woz here: http://www.charlierose.com/view/clip/11931
Sam, I noticed your later comment. My apologies if I peeved you off.

Perhaps, you are correct, I do not have the expertise to have a POV.

Just a minor correction, I do not have an MBA and or the admin with the description you gave. That's rather demeaning to the women who may be reading this list.

Just another coder in a team of four trying to figure things out. You've correctly identified err.. my virtues[1].. guilty as charged.

Take it easy mate.

[1] - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Wall#Virtues_of_a_program...
People weren't too keen on Rose's interruptions of Torvalds on this recent thread, either:

http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3096121

TC has an addendum saying the woman asking the questions was just another member of the public, not a reporter. The interrupting (and misreading) of Wozniak does seem very callow.
Your last sentence is obscure to me, or revert what you say before.
Thanks for your reply. Like I said, all I have is my suspicions. I don't claim to know the truth. I don't think any of us really does.

However, when you say "you couldn't be further from the truth", is that the result of you rewatching the video, while considering the possibility that you might, in part, as I qualified from the beginning, be seeing her differently than you'd see a man? Or is it the result of your immediate reaction, because of your uninterruptable certainty that you surely would never do something so sexist?

Just curious. If you've genuinely considered the possibility, that's all I can reasonably ask. For my part, I'm happy to have raised my suspicion, even though HN obviously thinks quite lowly of this line of thought.
Steve Jobs said it himself several times: Apple is, at it's core, a software company. It just puts it in a really pretty box.
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As a SV outsider who recently spent a month there, I totally agree. The only way to get meetings is through your network. Start with people you meet at events and then add to it (co working spaces like www.rocket-space.com are great for this). Eventually you'll be speaking to company founders and they can refer you. Remember that the quality of the referral is also important, so if you have only met someone for 5 mins and then ask them to refer you, their referral email will be rather weak. Spend the time building the relationship and getting them excited about your product. Then when the time comes you will get a solid referral and a near certain meeting.
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Congrats YC! Fills a gap too. Ron - Seed, AH - VC, Yuri/DST mezzanine.

I am a little surprised that Ron and Yuri let them in on such a good deal. I am sure a lot of VCs would jump at this opportunity.
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As he said himself, he can get an iPhone mailed to his house if he wants one. He said he just likes the experience of waiting in line.
It really just boils down to, networking your way into a strong personal introduction is a trivial task compared with one hundred other far more challenging aspects of launching a successful startup, and every VC in the world knows this and uses it as a filter, because it's true and it works, so there's absolutely no reason they would or should deviate from this logic.
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a previous (very interesting) interview on techcrunch explains why he's standing in while: http://techcrunch.com/2011/10/14/steve-wozniak-on-how-the-ip...
it's about the "experience"
He is a former physicist? Good god, the waste... He attended a public school for free. I wonder if he has factored in the price his government paid for only 10 years of physiking out of him...

Companies allegedly don't recoup the cost of hiring you for at least a year. Public schools are offered because it is seen as a worthwhile investment in the future, and graduates help pay for the next generation's schooling. In other words, there was a lot of good-faith investment in him. He essentially took the money and ran.

I mean, I'm not saying he is scum or that he is contractually obligated to his country, but this is much less impressive when you realize part of what he did was offload much of the burden. It seems unlikely he'd have been able to amass the seed funding for the investments he lives on by age 33 without the tens of thousands invested in him by others.
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Takeaway: If you can score dirt-cheap rent, you've won half the battle.

He pays $250 for rent in S.F. You'd be pretty hard-pressed to NOT have an impressive budget in that kind of scenario.
That's like saying that somebody should be pretty good at physics because Einstein was. Juggling lots of ideas at once was pretty much Leonardo da Vinci's thing.
Probably off topic, but hooey on that:

If you want to play an absolute gem of a game, go grab Cave Story. It's free, and it's "fun", in the most distilled form.

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I'd guess that the main issue is that it's probably heavily coupled to the rest of Google's services. Their index, web crawler and general infrastructure would be vital to this product. If Google were to spin it off it would be useless without all these things.
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Yeah but a lot of what you think of when you think DaVinci never really got past the idea state.
Not everything comes down to gender wars.

Isn't it best to judge someone not on the color of their skin or what they have in their pants, but by the quality of their work? If their work (in this case, an interview) is bad, then it's bad. It doesn't matter if the interviewer is 14 or 40, male or female.
Well, the ipad is not definitive.

It is just a PC with multitouch support, this does not mean that all the tools that create things are going to die, just because today they are designed for the mouse.

When Apple started with the desktop paradigm, there were not tools for it. The had to convince people to use mouse and clicks first, they even had to remove the cursor keys so developers were forced to adapt their software.

Ipad has made a fantastic job convincing people that yes, people love the multitouch interface so if you want to make money you need to adapt your software. Adobe and others are listening to the signal.

And if everything fails, we will always have Linux.
Interview suggests that he's equally capable on marketing too.
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> Many games designers think its their job to tell stories, but games isn't a story medium, they should go write books or make films.

Couldn't be more wrong. In fact, lack of compelling story is one of the things that's wrong with gaming today.
:) I had a little wine. This makes me punchy on text... Sorry about that. Nothing personal.

I just want the startup world to get the return on value that they produce.

I am still jaded in this area...

Thanks for the reply.
So essentially the promise and dream of the post-PC era comes at the cost of killing the current golden age of Computers? I would say we are being hyperbolic here.

For what it is worth I, (and I know of so many other people) have an iPad but end up spending my entire time (around 10-12 hours everyday) in front of a Mac. This is not going to change anytime in the near future because quite frankly the iPad is just not capable of doing all that I want to do on a "computer".

So yes. there is a post-PC era, but think of it as a new species that co-exists than an evolution that simply eliminates the last one.
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The whole point of this conversation is that a real class of problems exist (think "offline Google Maps": download all of France to your phone, so you can have driving directions while you don't have data roaming on your trip) that wants option 3: not backed up (as you just downloaded a gigabyte of data that you can download again any time you want), but guaranteed to be available when offline (as the whole point was to accidentally have your data get deleted while you are travelling through Germany on your way to France).
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Anyone knows the reason?

I thought that it's their robot working hard (no human resources allotted for it)
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I'm originally from the bay area but all my professional dev experience has been in a different state. I'm looking at moving back to hopefully take my career to the next level, have noticed the job ads / companies present themselves very differently than they do in my area (where I am now its usually clear in job ads they basically don't give a crap, just spouting off generic bs about years exp, outdated platforms, etc) but the ads in the bay area seem a lot sharper. Basically what I'm asking is, I have found using recruiters in my current state to be helpful to advance my career but not sure using a recruiter in the bay area would be the best approach but I'm also leery of spending a bunch of time talking to smaller companies who may not be willing to pay what I'm looking for (with recruiters its always been very upfront with this), not that I'm looking for anything outrageous, just I have dealt with some startups before who were basically only willing to pay well below market rate. Any insight is appreciated.