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Funny how "imitation is the sincerest form of flattery" turns into "this was stolen".

I would sympathize with Mr. Jobs here if his company wasn't the most valuable in the world, that continues to deliver record-breaking profits and generates enough wealth to make many a small nation jealous.

My point is not that Apple deserves to be ripped off because they're flush, but rather that customers know the difference between great products and obvious imitations. Those same customers are the ones contributing to the incredible wealth creation around Apple.

In short: when you're the heavyweight, don't sweat the knockoffs.
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A well-tuned Emacs/Clojure environment can be very very smooth. Mine is not particularly well-tuned - I tend to get tired of tool config'ing and just put up with stuff so I can get work done. :)
The app store was present in Sidekick. Sidekick was made by Danger Inc. Danger Inc. was a company founded by Andy Rubin who then went on to found Android Inc. which was bought by Google and Andy Rubin now runs the Android show.

So one of the features that, according to your misinformed opinion, originated in iPhone, was actually done before by a company started by a guy who runs Android.

Then again, I doubt Danger Inc. was the first to come up with the idea of integrated application store. It's really a logical evolution of PalmGear, which operated since 1997 and was the biggest application store for Palm OS devices. It was a website but it's not such a great leap to integrate that directly into OS. It couldn't be done in 1997 because PDAs didn't have internet connection but finally the wireless technology caught up and Apple was the second company to do the obvious.

The same goes for multi touch. It has been done in other contexts before - Apple didn't invent the idea. The single touch UI was done years before on Palm devices. I'm not sure if Apple was the first to do multi-touch specifically on a phone but it was, again, an inevitable evolution of existing ideas. It just happened that Apple was designing the first gen of their product from scratch at the time when multi-touch screen technology was mature enough for mass market so they could bake it really well.

Mobile Safari? How is a web browser on a phone Apple's invention? Palm OS had decent browser a decade earlier. Safari is better but only because the hardware available to iPhones is orders of magnitude better than the hardware on those Palm devices.

But the real problem with such arguments is that you completely discount the tens of thousands of ideas that Apple had to "copy" (using your terminology) from earlier phones. Sure, they've added a few things of their own, but so did everyone else. The nature of technology business is that you take the best of what exists today, you add a few unique pieces and release an improvement version. It's myopic to complain that Google copied some ideas but completely ignore the Apple's massive copying of ideas that is iCloud (just to give one example).
I agree. Emacs is a power tool for writing Clojure. I learned Clojure first with tools I knew, then learned Emacs later. For me, that was a much better way to deal with the cognitive load.
Economies would adapt - they always have, they always will. Bubbles and tiger economies existed before the US was even a whiff of a dream. It's not like the US is $14T in debt in 2011 and in 2012 it'd be $0T in debt - repayment would take a long time, ample to examine effects and counter where needed.
I've heard that you and your founders were all serial entrepreneurs going into Heroku. What did you learn from your previous companies?
I'm not a crazy and I advocate the abolishment of the fed. People claim we need them as "a lender of last resort" and then they rally against bailouts. People don't realize that practicing the "last resort" lending is a bailout!

Also, Cantillon effects messing up the economy, putting more wealth in the hands of banking elite, growing the size of government, etc... are other problems made possible by central banking.
I like the idea of micro-payments to see your name in the leaderboards.

Backend is currently google appengine. Referral system (facebook/email/etc) is all in place. The app is pretty mature, but like a lot of others, it just needs more users and a way to monetize it.

When I initially did the numbers, I did web searches and it seemed like people were getting $1/1000 ads shown. By the time I launched, the bottom dropped out the market and I am getting under $0.05/1000 ads.

I feel that the problem is my low CTR (Click-through-rate)... low CTR = cheap/nasty ads = low CTR because they get ignored = more bad ads = low revenue... vicious cycle.
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Agreed. There are many ways to fly. I'd say Emacs is well-developed and probably the most common, but certainly not the only choice.
That's why you should start from the finish line and move backwards.
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That's interesting to see that Jobs treated Obama like a peer.
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> I am not trying to start an argument, but you are aware that Google was working on Android for quite some time right?

And this is what Android looked like: http://gizmodo.com/334909/google-android-prototype-in-the-wi...
While Aquamacs is a viable choice, from what I understand Aquamacs is not fully compatible with the Gnu Emacs settings and I was advised by people I trust that Emacs.app was a safer bet. I tried Aquamacs anyways but can't say I liked it very much. Emacs.app with @technomancy's Emacs starter kit made things pretty easy.
Ok, but what difference does this make?
I'd be interested to know the percentage of date requests (mildly put) donuts will receive through her site. Hope this won't end in a stalking disaster.
Seriously? You are proposing that if Google had just done a better job he would have been ok with it?
Very nice site, I'd donate if I weren't saving to buy my own MacBook (probably would also help if I had a PayPal account)

I know exactly how it is to lack a mac. I've been a Windows user up until about a month ago, when I finally threw my hands up and said "screw this, I'm getting Ubuntu" (surprisingly, Photoshop works on Linux quite painlessly)

Best of luck in getting a Mac and I hope it serves you well!
An 11 month school year would be a nightmare and screw up summer activities. Plus, the misalignment of HS and College schedules will hurt advanced students. School going to 6pm in the northland is a non-starter and dangerous.

(getting a little sick of the down votes without comment)
Thank god she didn't put her home address on that site.
It doesn't say anything about how Obama reacted, besides continuing the conversation with him. Who is to say he didn't appreciate the candor?
>keep schools open until 6

Sounds great, how do you fund it?

>keep school in session 11 months out of the year

Ditto.

>let principals hire/fire based on merit

Seems legit, do we really have to BREAK the unions to do that? The teacher unions have many legitimate reasons for their existence regardless of some of their negative attributes.

>relax regulations on building factories

Is that really what's holding manufacturing back here? It's not the cost of labor and providing benefits to workers? I can see how the additional costs of creating factories here might make it slightly harder to manufacture things in the U.S., but I find it highly dubious that Apple would suddenly start manufacturing its machines here even if all zoning/health/environmental laws were scrapped.

>turning Jobs down on making campaign ads

Crazy. Seriously. David Axelrod is a schmuck.
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If they have a smart cover around (if you don't own one), and if you have the "unlock with smartcover" feature enabled.
I used to work as a technologist in a sleep lab. 'restless leg syndrome' is not some disease to shill drugs. It fucks people up quite badly by preventing them from sleeping properly.

Whether it was either just enough to stop them from getting to the deeper, restorative levels of sleep, or bad enough that they had to get out of bed and walk around for a couple of hours, restless leg syndrome is a clear blight on quality of life. Sure, it may not be fatal (except where increased tiredness is generally), but it's still a significant health issue to be afflicted by.
There were other (much crappier) GUIs when the Macintosh launched too.
On the subject of "You’re headed for a one-term presidency because the US can’t build factories":

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/car-company-us-loan-builds-car...

With the approval of the Obama administration, an electric car company that received a $529 million federal government stimulus loan guarantee is assembling its first line of cars in Finland, saying it could not find a facility in the United States capable of doing the work.

"There was no contract manufacturer in the U.S. that could actually produce our vehicle," the car company's founder and namesake told ABC News. "They don't exist here."
http://www.google.com/publicdata/explore?ds=d5bncppjof8f9_&#...

Isn't it funny how the magical IMF benefits only come about after the IMF has been kicked out of the country.
> "But please don't pretend that some people's use of innovative ideas aren't more important and more credit worthy than others."
So we do agree to the fact that when iPhone and Android Notification system appears to be the same - it's not a mere coincidence and that credit goes to Android?

Multitouch was not a APPL invention anyways, but still they did a brilliant execution and kudos to them! If you are agreeing that Android was a copy of iPhone as it has multitouch then okay 10 points to Apple. Now for notifications if you use the argument that the only evolutionary solution is the one that is currently being used - the same argument can be used against Multitouch (which again, if ever introduced to handheld devices - would work the same way)
Depends if you are a bank sitting on a lot of unsellable fancy property!
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"Conservative" or just gets shit done? Maybe the real reason why we don't get shit done in this country is because we're so preoccupied with these worn-out ideologies. What if Jobs was right? What if it's too damn hard to build factories in America?
You know, after 2 failed upgrade attempts to Rails 3... we eventually came to the understanding that we shouldn't attempt to simultaneously make "improvements". Because without a green test suite, we had no idea if the failures were new or upgrade related. That was the cause of 99% of worry until we said "fuck it, let's just fix everything first."
Cutting and engaging, nicely done :)
It would seem that for $529 million they could build one. Isn't Tesla building cars here?
I disagree about the teacher's unions. Drastic measures need to be taken. Some of the teachers with tenure are a disgrace to their profession and they can not be fired because of the strength of the unions.
Should he have put Obama on a pedestal instead?
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Alan McConnell letter to the Economist, the original can be founded somewhere in the following link: http://www.economist.com/node/21533350

The death of a tech genius

SIR – There has been a lot of talk about the untimely death of Steve Jobs, the man who turned Apple around by designing products that became very popular (“A genius departs”, October 8th). The death of any person at the age of 56 is reason to lament, but Mr Jobs was just a businessman who knew his stuff and became very rich in the process.

Have you heard of Dennis Ritchie? He died a week after Mr Jobs, but was much more influential and significant. A salaried employee at Bell Laboratories throughout his working life, Mr Ritchie invented the C programming language and helped to create the Unix operating system.

The world of computing and the internet is unthinkable without C. No matter what great apps you come up with or what computing systems your company uses, the software which runs them was written in C, or was written in a language that was written in C. I hope, but do not expect, that you will put Dennis Ritchie’s picture on the cover of a forthcoming edition.

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The feature defaults to enabled. If you don't own a smart cover, would you really look through the options for something like that and change it? Would your Joe Average consumer?

An insecure default shouldn't be excused because you can change it - the default configuration should be secure against such an attack.
With only 17 hours caffeinated to go before a weekly meeting with my research advisor, and desperate to create some results to show, I accidentally reinvented the Rabin-Karp algorithm for string search:

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My thought process at the time was: Shit, brute force string search takes over ten minutes on my data! There must be a way to speed this up. Hm. It probably involves hashing somehow...
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Did you watch the video? This is definitely a bug, seeing as it only happens when you have the shutdown panel open. When you don't have the shutdown panel open, it shows the password prompt as expected. There's no reason that smart cover unlocking and a password prompt can't co-exist.
>>keep schools open until 6
>Sounds great, how do you fund it?

Reduce the "defense" budget. I wouldn't be surprised if you did the calculations and found out that schools could be open 24/7 with minor tweaks to the budget allocation.

It is not a matter of funding, it is only a matter of priorities. Education and research should be first on the list.

I believe Jobs was right, once again.
With due respect, I think Jobs was pissed about, and talking about, "realized, specific implementations" and details thereof, and not basic, obvious, system-level ideas.

Android has arguably stolen many such details from iOS. You can debate whether that should be legally actionable or not, but the ideas were copied, nonetheless.
I know a guy who was a broker on Wall Street throughout the 80's and 90's... He retired to take over the family farm, the sort of thing a lot of his peers wanted to do, and after 10 years of working non-stop to almost-not-quite break-even he's almost ready to sell it.

He says that he had no idea how much harder than working on Wall Street it would be. He's got to know everything about the domain, he's got to know accounting, sales, marketing, and just about every other aspect of running a business and it is exhausting for such small potential gains.
Yes. For Jobs to treat Obama otherwise seems somehow anti-republican: the fact that Obama is Jobs' peer---and indeed yours and mine---is, I think, a notion deeply rooted in American political culture. Considering the possibility of Jobs showing deference certainly raises my hackles. At the same time, it's natural to be overawed by a man like Obama, with so much political authority (and however much remains of the tremendous moral authority he had when elected).
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Great point! He actually almost insisted on it: Jobs seemed to insist that he interact only with Obama ("On the meeting, Jobs insisted that Obama himself ask for a personal invitation"). He also got annoyed when he was forced to interact with Obama's aides, especially when they didn't do everything he said:

* "Jobs suggested that Obama meet six or seven other CEOs who could express the needs of innovative businesses — but when White House aides added more names to the list, Jobs insisted that it was growing too big and that “he had no intention of coming.”"

* "Jobs even offered to help create Obama’s political ads for the 2012 campaign. “He had made the same offer in 2008, but he’d become annoyed when Obama’s strategist David Axelrod wasn’t totally deferential."

You gotta give Steve Jobs credit for chutzpah!
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In this case, the article describes Steve Jobs to be angry with a specific 2010 HTC model. I'm not sure which features he is talking about. The article doesn't clarify this.

Also, the behavior of the market always has been to try and "borrow" successful features from other phones. Coders borrow good code. Researchers cite other papers. This is a very common thing. I'm not sure why someone as mature as Jobs would explode on this matter.

And what's up with the photo? Is the article trying to say that they talked about such a serious matter at Starbucks? "C'mon Eric, lets get some coffee and let me tell you how I'm going to sue your company and drop a nuke on it."
> Viewing it as "covergent evolution" is a stretch. Blockbuster new product comes out, everyone rushes to copy them. That's exactly what happened.

I guess it's a subtle distinction, but there's a difference between just copying from Apple because you don't have any ideas of your own and responding to the consumer demand that came about due to Apple's influence. People wanted multitouch devices. Google didn't need to look to Apple to know that, you could derive it independently by doing a simple consumer survey of what smartphone consumers wanted.

Google added what people wanted and brought an OS to the market that had that and a whole lot of innovative features that the iPhone didn't. That people look backwards and only see the features inherited from the iPhone, but Android was years ahead of iOS in many other respects, some of which persist to this day.
I'm not sure what the value of emacs purity is. I've used both, and I like aquatics better. Either way, the setup for clojure is effectively the same.
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I experienced the same problem. I was on $200MB/month data plan. I am mostly on WiFi and usually use ~5MB cellular data per day.

When I checked it yesterday, my data usage was at ~15MB. Then I received an email from AT&T that I was over my limit-- didn't receive any warnings! I am now 88Mb over my limit, which means I used ~270MB in a single afternoon.
That's a fantasy which could never have come to pass in any universe. The only reason the budget was in surplus (technically) is the economy was so white hot revenue was coming in faster than Congress had anticipated. As soon as this was apparent, our legislators were falling all over themselves to spend money on their pet pork projects.

We would have ended up in the hole anyway, since the revenue burst was bubble induced and destined to go down. But even if that wasn't true they would never have allowed the surplus to continue.

Even then it was imaginary, because the growth in Social Security and Medicare spending was always going to outstrip revenue under the rosiest of scenarios.
Rome always found a pretext for conquering a new territory. They never destroyed without first find a "reason" that would excuse their violence. Sounds like Jobs follows the Roman example.
I really hate all these politics links polluting the frontpage lately. If I could flag again, I'd do so quietly and not comment, but this is a little ridiculous.

Perhaps I need another long break from HN.
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Although I realize the difference, I found an article from 4 years ago (2007) where Hitachi released a 1 TB hard drive aimed for consumers (there were others at the time as well): http://www.pcworld.com/article/128400/hitachi_introduces_1te... . Definitely an interesting read as it provides some context at the state of data relative to 2007.
I remember being 22 and feeling hopelessly behind.

Keep at it!
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I see them as two leaders in their respective fields just talking shop.
You do not have access to the channels which make e.g. Naruto a cross-platform megasuccess that captures the mind of half a generation. I would suggest unlockable premium content instead.
Nobody's suggesting making the rich poor. Increasing taxes by 10 or 20% on someone making over 250K a year will cost them another $800 or so a month in taxes.

To say that's making the rich "poor" is, frankly, offensive to people who actually are poor.

It's great to say we should enact policy that makes everyone richer. But it's basically saying something everyone can be in favor of because it has no concrete meaning.

Taxing the rich more so that everyone else can get better education and healthcare will make "everyone richer" in that it should raise per-capita GDP, but I don't think that's what you mean.
Apple's iPhone owes a lot to Palm's devices. It's funny... Apple is competent enough that you'd think they'd have confidence in their capability of out-executing competitors. Jobs comes off as insecure.
Definitely something I could use. Having to visit Youtube for that once or twice a year where I have to wear a tie? Yeah, it's a pain.
Worn-out ideologies? Pretty much everything that Jobs is credited with saying in the article is a worn-out ideology.

Bust unions! Remove regulations and cut workers' rates! Government needs to be more business-friendly! And what's more, I don't like the menu!

Hardly fresh thinking, let alone innovative and non-ideological.
How do you reduce the defense budget, without screwing yourself over politically? At best, you could not increase it as much.
I will agree with you. I grew up way too fast, have a few kids of my own, and they are growing up way too fast for different reasons than I did. My reason? I worked from 13 on for wages. My kids? They're working much harder than I had to just to get a chance to go to a decent university.

The pressure on our kids is pretty significant. To the point they WILL NOT miss school when they are sick. Can't miss this, can't miss that. It's better to go to school and get everyone else sick. It's out of control.

6PM would be a nightmare. The amount of homework my kids have is astonishing. I never experienced anything like it when I went to school. They are ALREADY working on it most of the night trying to get it all done.

Yes, they are in AP classes - maybe it's a little different than the normal classes, but it's an option to those who desire it. Shall we keep them in school from early hours of the day until late hours at night?

When do most of you eat dinner? 7PM? 8PM? 9PM? Anyone recall that "family dinner" - or did we all forget because we work 10, 12 or 15 hours a day trying to "do something." I can see how this is especially difficult in the midwest, and other parts of the U.S., where it is dark very early in the day in the winter.

Dunno...just don't agree with this plan.
The Fed is doing a miserable job of targeting 2% inflation if it's supposed to do that. Even in the face of a week economy and so forth, it's barely managing to hit 1.5% for inflation expectations.

Then again, they don't actually have an official inflation target, so...

I see no reason the Fed wouldn't go for outright deflation if they thought they could get away with it. They seem to be really happy with their current tight money policy. :(
"Hordes?"

15% of the country lives in poverty. (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/14/us/14census.html?pagewante...)

Imagine what it would look like if 1 in 6 people took to the streets. 50 million. That's a horde.