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There’s an account called Elon Jet which uses publicly available information to track Elon's private jet and post take off and landings. Elon offered 5k to the owner to take it down[1]. He has blocked loads of people for mocking or disagreeing with him.

Are those actions evil or wrong? Not really, but I also don’t think they’re the actions of an ardent believer in free speech which this thread is making him out to be.

Saying you believe in free speech and acting out a belief that everyone should have an equal right to say their piece without fear of being silenced are two different things.

1 https://www.techtimes.com/articles/271211/20220130/elon-musk...
> Possibly the most useful for others is a small wrapper around pdftk that splits a PDF file into smaller ones based on the "bookmarks" (the chapter annotations that many PDF readers show as outlines in a side bar).

I'm interested in this if you are willing to share.
Speech is sending and receiving information.

Speech/information needs to be processed/filtered/analyzed. People may not be equipped to deal with certain information - hence we try to manage it externally and internally.

Suppressing from of information starts at early, at childhood. We try not bombard our children with all the information indiscriminately. We curate and provide age appropriate information to ensure optimal development and growth.

Once a person becomes adult they are supposed to gather and process information on their own. However, even as adults we are susceptible to deception. Our judgement can be fooled, feeling can override our logic.

In conclusion, I think there's a need for curation of the information/speech. Not forbidding it outright, but certainly to help humans discern facts from fiction, for example.
>most companies don't even want to host such content, simply because of how despised ... it is

I don't think that's true because the frequency of bad ideas is evenly distributed. I'm sure there are many company owners that have those bad ideas and want to host them.

These ideas get suppressed because of societal norms. The problem here is when you disagree with the norm. I'm personally fine with making holocaust denial illegal, but it would be dishonest of me to claim that wasn't an authoritarian move, and that violates another, arguably more important norm! So we split the difference, and leave it up to individual choice. But that solution fractured when the internet split our norms into a thousand pieces, and has totally failed with the mainstream adoption of Trump and woke/cancel culture norms (both of which violate other, more important norms).

Frankly its terrible to feel like you're 'losing' people to bad ideas, and allowing communities to form around bad ideas accelerates the loss. We intuitively understand that some bad ideas are bad enough to lead to war, and vast human suffering. And so we come back to a justification for limited authoritarianism, because war is even worse than that.
> the vast majority of progress civilization has made

You know for such a scientifically-minded group as HN, we sure seem to embrace Whig History as if it's axiomatic that the progress we've made thus far is some sort of global maxima.

We don't have a control group timeline. We don't know the type and speed with which we'd have made different progress under different intellectual or social regimes.

There is absolutely NO reason to believe that the path we've taken has led us to the Best Of All Possible Worlds.
It's only "US-centric" if you include its vassal states in the definition, more correct to say "West-centric view" probably.

That's of course assuming these things aren't happening on Twitter in other spheres (which would be an interesting data point - it would indicate that it may not be something intrinsic to the format, but with current issues in Western culture).

How large is Twitters non-Western user base anyways, in percentages?
I'm sorry if "hate/conspiracy bullshit" was too inflammatory or specific here. I meant it as a stand in for "any content that most would find objectionable." I've edited my post to remove that language. You are correct that I do believe that what is being censored is unimportant.

Please don't presume what I am or am not willing to do.

I am perfectly willing to confront the idea that Twitter is censoring true things that I agree with: it's fine with me. I'm not sure if they're already doing that, but they have every right to, just as I have every right to use (or create) an alternative platform.
being offended isn't being harmed. People who want to control others who offend them claim they're being harmed, when they're just offended. Allowing those people veto powers on others speech is antithetical to freedom.
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When I started ruby, I thought symbols were weird and dumb.

After a while, it was one of the things I liked the most. Maybe my favorite part is I didn't have to read and write so many damned " characters!

"Converting" "text" "like" "this" :to :this :format, really helps me read it.

I might be the weird guy on this. Wouldn't be the first time.
What resource are you talking about?

The modern web (eg Web 2.0) is an open software distribution platform that forms the basis of hundreds of thousands of company's products. Social media is a part of that, and it needs fixing, but a return to Web 1.0 is not the solution.
While the laws being selectively enforced in the West is a major issue it is a much larger issue in China. Laws like these are tools to get others to do what the government wants under implied threat.
He could write programs that find more primes, but never one that proves there will always be an infinite supply of primes.

I think other comments already said it. "more" is an ambiguous term. Do whatever you want and feel free to call that "accomplishing more".
I'm not even a dev, as I said I'm just a dabbler so certainly wasn't suggesting they build a business plan around my willingness to pay, was just adding a data point in terms of hobbyist interest :)
> I
hope
we all agree that
laws
against libel, glorification of crime, threatening people are not exactly censorship.

No, this isn't free speech absolutism, and adding a paywall to any conversation on twitter would kill the site.
Offering money to take down a twitter account seems totally reasonable. If you're saying that Elon would've terminated the account if he owned Twitter, I don't think there's any evidence to support that.
care to share the script(s)? any screenshots? sounds useful :)
Hanged.

The past tense of execution by hanging is hanged, not hung.
The difference between comparing symbols and strings in ruby.

https://twitter.com/chrisgseaton/status/1514603665801109508?...
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I don't think he is mentally dysfunctional, beyond possibly ADHD. He just finished his PhD, and is fluent in 3 languages (English, Spanish, Japanese). If he finds something he's interested in, he'll dedicate his whole life to it and even minimize his social life until he's achieved whatever goal he's set out. I don't know what you'd call that. Driving is a thing he does in between the things he really wants to do, which is work and study mostly.

> if this person was prepared to listen to everything the trained driver in the passenger seat was instructing them to do

Not really his personality. Definitely a "figure it out yourself" type, and puts boundaries around the help and advice he asks for. Fiercely independent is I guess what you'd call it, definitely because of how he grew up (which I gather his family housed him, and fed him, but he mostly took care of himself emotionally).

Definitely one of the more interesting people I know. Incredibly brilliant and talented at certain things, and wayyyyyyyy behind the curve in other areas.
> Use one of the thousands of other available email hosts

when was the last time you sent (or received) an e-mail outside of the context of work, or to interact with a company?

> Pick up the phone

apple and google make the phones! my network provider is also a private company, too, they have no requirement to provide me a phone service.

> Leave your house to talk to people and do things

people no longer go to their friends front doors without calling ahead/planning first. millennials (my generation) aren't great at spontaneity in this regard. gen Z are even worse.

> Find something enjoyable to do with all of the free time you've gained now that you're off of social media and HN

i already don't use most social media. i don't go on facebook, twitter, tik tok, etc. i watch youtube videos and go on hacker news, and even then i rarely interact.

but if apple cut me off of icloud, facebook from whatsapp, etc. my life would be difficult enough. it would only take a couple of other companies to make it a nightmare. how many stories have landed on the HN front page about how a sudden dismissal from google has really screwed up someones online (and often real) life? and these are just the ones we here about..

private social media isn't the problem (although it is a problem). i'm saying that so much of our lives are very tightly embedded with a handful of private companies, and them having control over that isn't a great way to be.
>but I think people want the mcmansions and I think people want the flashier more interactive software

I think that's a bit too condescending. People don't want mcmansions and flash, they want to publish to the internet quickly and efficiently. The web is a tool for them, a means to an end.

The HN set might prefer to live in a world where computers only shipped with Emacs and the web was just a raw JSON API and you had to write your own software for everything from scratch, but no one else does. And that's perfectly legitimate. Why should someone making music, or art, or who wants to set up a business or network with people have to hand-code their own HTML or write their own backend just because some self-appointed gatekeepers decided that using a service ruins the artisinal quirkiness of the web? That's like saying authors should have to hand-write their manuscripts or set their own type. The web is a tool that's supposed to serve everyone.
Old software can be too old for your new hardware. Windows 95 won’t boot on machines faster than 2.1 GHz without an unofficial patch [0]. Old Windows versions support only one CPU core, in 32-bit mode, without using many “fast” instructions. And on the RAM front, Windows 9x tends to get unstable if you have too much of it (512 MB is typically considered the limit).

[0] https://msfn.org/board/topic/141402-windows-95-21ghz-cpu-lim...
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I just despise Twitter for its double standard. It allows the tweet of Khamenei to call for “eradication” of Israel and its people, yet it blocks so many people in the name of “inciting violence”. It blocked people who called for wearing masks or SIP in early 2020, but later blocked people who cited Nature paper. If Twitter were in the middle ages, they would for sure ban Galileo, and if they were in 19th century, they would for sure ban Darwin — because one can’t be anti-science and science can’t be wrong, right?

Twitter is a disgrace to the modern society. Their hypocrisy goes to no end.
>>I struggle to make the connection between those kinds of business apps and advertising.

I'm starting a restaurant. I put together a doc about items I need. All the sudden I'm getting ads for restaurant equipment.
If you wanna be that charitable towards the claim, you've still got to contend with the draft, wartime rationing, censorship during WWII, the Sedition Acts, and many others.
Of course you can't blindly restore, but it seems that's what they 'test'. Either they are completely incompetent or they don't test the real procedure.
Seems like my point has gone right over everyone's head who answered...

How well has what Russia done worked? Like how loved is Russia right now in the west? How many people agree with it?

(sidenote: the russia brexit involvement has been 100% disproven. The Trump russia thing has been 100% disproven. The hunter biden laptop was not russian disinformation)
> the way to express those arguments should be a public speech or writing, not in a way that causes actual harm to others

The assumption here is that expressing those arguments as public speech or writing does not cause harm. I think this is wrong. Arguing for extermination of the Jews did, in fact, cause harm. Bullying someone into suicide does, in fact, cause harm. Spreading propaganda can, in fact, cause harm.
I agree. It's a 'power' problem.

One historical example that comes to mind that has nothing to do with capitalism is the uproar around the translation of the Bible into vernacular languages because it broke the Church's moral information monopoly.
Naively I think you can probably just expose interactions with them inside existing apis like "slice::split_at_mut", since the rust abstract machine already has the concept of pointers being able to access regions of memory.

You would probably have direct access to the primitives available, but discourage using them, because using them means non portable code.
Lots of extremists, especially in the authoritarian[0] or right-wing edges of the political compass, practice various forms of censorship. This isn't merely "let's pass a law to make it illegal to say a thing", but would also include things like harassing other people in public forae with sock-puppets, ballot-stuffing online polls to make their side look more publicly favored, flooding websites with expensive HTTP requests (DDoSing), or publishing personal or hidden information in an attempt to scare someone into not speaking (doxxing). All of the above behaviors should be considered just as censorious as vanilla-flavor state-actors censorship.

Furthermore, because these behaviors nominally involve something that resembles an act of speech, people occasionally try to defend said acts on "free speech" grounds and call the curtailment of censorship acts itself a form of censorship. This is a mistake. Fringe extremists are not merely "spreading their ideas", they are chilling other people's speech. This is just as much of a danger to society as the banning of other people's views that you mentioned.

[0] auth-left inclusive, fuck tankies
What if you proof the correctness of a compiler? Do you then transiently get all the achievements of all safety critical software that was then programmed with it?

The value of the proof comes from the things it enables. I guess the Rust memory safety guarantees are based on some proofs?
> All I ever wanted was my own Gmail domain

You don't need Workspace to use the Gmail UI with your custom domain. All you need is a regular free @gmail.com account. First switch your domain to an email hosting service that provides SMTP and IMAP, you probably get one free from your domain registrar. In Gmail settings for your @gmail account, add your custom domain as an alternate address for sending mail, using your SMTP server. Also configure Gmail to fetch mail from your IMAP server. Voila! Gmail is now a frontend for your custom domain, absolutely free. You can continue to use your existing custom email addresses, and you can forget about Workspace forever.

If you have purchased content such as Play Store apps that are tied to your Workspace account, you can downgrade it to a "Cloud Identity Free Edition" account, and continue to use it. This is a pain, and I think they are finally working on some kind of migration tool to move that content to another account. Hopefully that happens soon.
I just realized that we can use the current stock price to derive a probability that Elon Musks offer will be accepted.

Let `cp` be the current stock price; let `op` be the original price, before the offer was made; let `bp` be the bid price, what Musk offered; and let P be the probability that the offer is accepted. Then it must apply that

`cp = op + P*(bp - op)`

Meaning: The current price is the original price plus the probability that the offer is accepted times the stock price premium if the offer is accepted.

=> P = (cp - op) / (bp - op)

Plugging in the current numbers gives us a probability of about 50 %.
>Free speech absolutism

Musk's actions show he doesn't support that.
The server seems down, read here - https://web.archive.org/web/20220414041010/https://nickfa.ro...

IBM cloud also acts in a similar weird, opaque and broken manner - apparently you can't even sign-up for its free account without an American (BigTech) email ID ... See https://webapps.stackexchange.com/questions/138908/unable-to... . I wonder if this has something to do with both Oracle and IBM being B2B company?
Because Twitter is great for pushing narratives while silencing "wrongthink".
> Now, 10 years later they are holding my online persona hostage in a shameless cash grab to try and make Workspaces more profitable.

I'm in the same boat, but since ~2006 when I started my first company (dont recall exactly when I set up my google apps account though). I have to chose whether to move my account (which thanks to sign in with google is attached to more places than I can even remember), or pony up $6/mo/user with 20 friends and family having email accounts under my domain.

I have not yet decided what to do. But if I leave Google. I will leave for life, and that includes multiple other Workplace accounts that I already DO pay for. I'm sure losing a few thousand a year doesn't matter to them, but mail-in-a-box seems like a decent fit for my limited email I actually use on those older accounts.
> Instead, “misinformation” is this kind of 1984-ish weasel word used to discredit inconvenient facts while maintaining plausible deniability when they turn out to be correct.

This is so well stated I’ve saved it with attribution for future reference and quoting.

You’ve hit the crux of the problem people today have with society at large. It truly feels like we’re living in the on ramp to one of the dystopian novels from our youth, 1984, the giver, etc. Large swaths of society see nothing wrong with controlling people’s thought.
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> This is because shouting “Fire!” in a crowded theater is not a free exchange of ideas, it’s enticement of injury.

Many people who say they are free speech absolutists aren’t exactly known for appreciating this nuance. Hence why every open forum ultimately degrades into anarchy. I’m not saying an absolutely open forum couldn’t survive (let alone thrive), I’m just saying we haven’t seen one yet.

> the way to express those arguments should be a public speech or writing

When we have a society that actively ignores expert opinions, it makes it hard to take arguments for absolute free speech seriously. And online forums tend to not appreciate “quality” arguments over high-volume “quantity” one-liner rebuttals. Online forums tend to see users eventually switch over to mob mentalities, where normal rules of argument and civil discourse don’t hold any weight. You can reason with a person. You can’t reason with a mob. This is why online speech, absolute or not, is such a tough problem.

I guess my take is that this is an issue of theory vs practice.
Sure. Minimal. But if you rule people out for any amount of conflict then you will never be in a relationship long term. My wife and I do not argue often but it does happen.
Did they take the $50 or was the payment rejected? And did you get the money back if they took it?
Maybe I misunderstood from glancing at the pricing table, what is the difference between "public projects" (free) and "private projects" (enterprise $50/m)?

My assumption from glancing at the page was that I'd only be interested if I could have the full version, and that I might be willing to buy a license to own it but not to pay a subscription to keep using it. Mainly because I don't mind an impulse purchase that's half hoping to turn out worth buying and half supporting a dev / product creator I think worth supporting, whereas if something wants money every month I want to actually know it's going to be a good use of money long-term, which is a much higher bar to clear in my mind.

A side-thought: if it turned out to be a useful enough tool that I started getting colleagues to use it, and incorporating it in work done for clients, then I'd prefer it to be open source and ideally easy to customise / potentially white label.
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I am not deaf, but a family member of mine is a studied American Sign Language in college and worked as an interpreter and we've discussed this topic a few times at length.

Some interesting take-aways I have from discussing this:

* Sign language communication is very different. We can speak with our mouths much faster than we can manipulate our hands, so fewer words are used. I have to imagine this means that the words that are used are far more significant.

* Names are interesting. Most people names don't have signs, and signing every letter would be annoying, so apparently people get nicknames made up of descriptive words. So, you might go by "tall mustache" in normal conversation, but you're 10u152 in writing.

People wouldn't write the same way they would sign. ASL is a completely different language and direct translations to written English modifies the meaning of a lot of statements.
> Do you think pre-Internet mass media — one-way communication from corporation to consumer — does not propagate groupthink and shared narratives?

It certainly did, but not as quickly, and not in a separate channel from the media itself.

Put bluntly: today's journalists, entertainers, and influencers can very quickly arrive at the same (sometimes factually incorrect) narrative through following the same in-group of people on Twitter, which then results in "real" news, entertainment, and other media being produced that share the same groupthink and narrative. This can happen in hours, even minutes.

But it's not clear to your average consumer that what's dictating the stories on nightly news, Saturday Night Live, or the late night shows is actually Twitter, and the ease with which the same people can create the same bubbles without explicitly coordinating.
May I suggest you add "footnotes on hover"? I feel like this is the ultimate expression of the idea, and books would do it that way if they could.
Undercover FBI agents stormed the capital? Can you give more details?
If you include social triggers as harm then free speech becomes meaningless. Only the most vapid and inane speech would be protected under such a definition. The reason speech needs protection is because there will always be some group wanting it suppressed because they believe it will cause harm.
Right back at you. Well, hope you enjoy. Checking out how computing was done, or is done in the case of something really new I happen to get hold of or get to use, is interesting and fun for me.
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The royal society published for centuries, although I'm not sure it was review as much as paid for. But there was an element of acceptance/certification to be a member I think. With the internet, everybody can publish everywhere. And we might find out that "peer review" isn't the proper metric, it's "citation/use".