skysight-inc/HackerNews huggingface dataset:
Scaling a tree structured view is difficult as hell. Elon musk thread shows just one single comment, and "view 557 more comments" button. I guess it's because of the number of comments written for the first comment. I would expect to see other threads in the news detail page, not only one, but probably it's some sort of optimization to handle enormous amount of comments.

I guess the twitter's way of handling huge threads is much more scalable and I think twitter's acquisition should had such a point.
Why 100% and not just the majority?
It does become an issue of government censorship when the heads of these companies are hauled before congress with the threat of breakup or regulation, while simultaneously being questioned about the "incorrect" speech they allow on their platforms.
And very easy ways for people to create their own platforms/blogs with their own rules too, they almost certainly won't have the same reach as the larger platforms but it seems to be a common view that Facebook/Twitter/etc. owe people access to their platform and maximum potential audience for some reason. Personally I really don't understand how those espousing free speech principles are making arguments that seem to require other private individuals and companies to repeat/amplify speech they don't want to
This is the correct perspective imo. Our tech has outpaced our laws. We as a society need to rethink how we operate and move forward with these new technologies without being buried under the wave of change they bring.

Section 230 was our first attempt and it has served us decently. I think it's time for a tune-up with a fresh perspective now that we have a few decades of experience under our belt.
There are some apt comparisons of social media to sewers, but not in their utility…
Wish this had LaTex support
I'll point out that the 1st Amendment implications of regulating hosting are much less severe than the implications over regulating moderation on sites themselves.

Different people have different ideas about where to draw these lines: I personally am fairly skeptical about requiring hosting services to carry content, I think that has a lot more implications than people realize and I think that autonomy over how people manage computers and what content they serve is something we should try very hard to protect.

On the other hand I was initially skeptical of network neutrality back when it was first entering the public debate, but ended up completely changing my views and supporting it pretty much wholesale, I think that there's decent historical evidence that Title 2 classification didn't harm Internet innovation last time we tried it (in fact, the opposite happened, innovation exploded), and also I think there's much stronger evidence that service providers are actually a natural monopoly and could be treated like a public service. And I think the risk of unintended consequences is much lower.

And I also support either forcing Apple to allow alternative app stores or (possibly better) just forcing them to allow alternate web browsers and to loosen restrictions on what platforms/websites apps can tell the user about, so that PWAs can start making progress again on iOS and browsers can start to fill in the gaps in their platform -- which obviously is a restriction of their rights, I just think the benefits heavily outweigh the downsides.

My feeling is that every time we go deeper down the chain and closer to the "bare metal" of how the Internet works, it becomes a little bit safer to regulate neutrality. We have a lot of low-level changes we can make to the Internet that could go a lot further towards correcting some of the actual flaws that the Internet has, rather than just trying to regulate symptoms of those flaws.

The implications of FAANG moderation are only so serious because FAANG companies control so much of the market. It is better to actually fix that problem rather than to try and slap a band-aide on top of it (especially when that band-aide might carry a lot of unintended consequences).
Let my spoiler the performance with the feather. The mentalist of course touched his girlfriend, probably with a thin transparent string between his fingers or hands or maybe just by blowing a bit of air at her. With her eyes closed she could not tell what was going on in the room when she felt the touch, but she felt the touch at some point before or after the other woman was touched with the feather. If you would ask her to immediately say something when she felt a touch, then it would become obvious that she is not feeling the touch when the other woman is touched.
> it all started with limits on the freedom of speech

No, it all started with your citizens giving up on democracy. They probably chose safety or convenience or stability (economic, probably) or a mix of them.

That's how all democracies fail (barring ones invaded by other countries). People don't want them anymore.

Where people really want democracy, they fight for it.

It's that simple. Yet unbelievably hard to manage in practice.
It is completely acceptable for you to choose to moderate your platform to only allow the content you choose.

The caveat is that you should lose your 230 protections. We should only protect neutral, lawful, platforms from user generated content.
> it might be self-protection against censorship

I think basic web hosting would be a bit cheaper.
Because moderation here works quite well and they usually aren't the ones being moderated. Like someone wrote earlier in this thread, why aren't the free speech advocates using less HN to debate hacker/tech stuff and using more 8chan or something?
I reject the notion that this is a narrow definition. In the US, it's the _standard_ definition that was widely accepted until the recent advent of the "but muh free speech" people on twitter and other social media.

I'm also quite skeptical of the "slippery slope"-style argument regarding IP connectivity. The number of available ISPs, web hosts, domain registrars, etc is pretty large. There are even web hosts that have an explicit policy of letting you host _any_ content you want as long as it's not against the law in their jurisdiction[0]. And they'll even host it on a subdomain of theirs, if for some reason you have trouble getting a hostname for your hateful or crazy (but legally protected from censorship by the government) blog. And if laws are ever made restricting what those web hosts can do, then we're getting into the realm of the government restricting free speech, which is a different conversation entirely.

Regarding your second paragraph, the right to "get heard" is not a right guaranteed to anyone, at least not in the US. If you are spewing garbage, no one should be forced to hear it.

(caveat: I'm in the US, so my opinions are US-centric)

[0] for example, https://nearlyfreespeech.net
This site has a feature called showdead, and I imagine this hypothetical green checkmark would be about as useful.
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And TV, Radio, Books, Magazines, newspapers were time and again weaponised against democracy, up to and including genocides. The Nazis, RTLM, Pravda, Facebook, Murdoch to name just a few examples.
Here you go! Happy to answer any other questions not answered in my other two comments:

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Fortunately this was fairly easy to implement since Hue bridges provide a locally-accessible actually-documented REST API for me to use!
I've created a programming language (similar to Rust or C) which I use to make Android games, which I sell on the app store. Does that count?
Pretty much yes. Usually people contact me because they want to do a particular demonstration on stage and i find a way to do it given their skillet, constraints and theme. But it can also be building a full show around a theme or helping someone track older references on a subject they are researching.
Perhaps it sounds cynical, but can't we just let things burn instead of spending all this time and energy attempting to put out the eternal dumpster fire that is the 2020s web-scape? Perhaps it isn't possible.

Instead, maybe we build the replacements that we want, invite those who want a piece, sure, even put up a few signs pointing the way; but for the rest, you really can't save those who aren't looking for salvation, so let them have their technological dystopia if they can't see it for what it is.
Depends what you mean by “more.”

You can write programs to search for and do other things with prime numbers. However this can only tell you about specific prime numbers.

With proof you can prove things about all prime numbers or the integers as a whole. For instance Euclid proved that there are an infinite number of prime numbers.

We remember Euclid 2300 later so he accomplished a lot with his life. Today there is a big market for web pages, microcontrollers for gas pumps and washing machines, missile defense systems, etc. You can keep very busy writing programs for that stuff but it probably won’t be remember in 2300 years. (What’s a gas pump?)
Your implication that only Fox spits out clickbait. You seem to be dead set on hiding behind whataboutism and ignoring the facts. You want to smear Fox’s name, but fight veraciously to defend CNN. That’s all anybody needs to know, and is clearly on display in your comments here.
I'm not sure what is needed from the board here, but I think there's a difference between a board recommending something, and having a fiduciary duty to present an offer to shareholders. Where are you reading that this needs the board's blessing?
TV has nothing to do with it. I've never seen a Twitter logo on TV in the US either, except when they're reporting on Twitter as a company. GP wasn't talking about a business relationship between TV networks and Twitter.
Thank you for saying so. As an older American, it’s absolutely maddening and I feel exactly the same way, insofar as people taking it for granted.
Nothing makes me roll my eyes than seeing a tweet have 1/24. Pigeonholing stuff onto platforms where it doesn't fit.

Reddit is turning into a Tiktok aggregator as well, overbearing music, aggressive edits, and juvenile takes. At least those are short though.
google's entire quest in machine learning has simply recapitulated the previous development of high performance computing. that is, ML is just the same kind of problems the physicists were doing on supercomputers, and google is slowly getting to the point of recognizing their ML problems are just supercomputer problems. Expect larger floats in TPU hardware eventually.
I created a simple command line utility [1] to convert between rotation representations. If anyone has ever dealt with 3D rotations (e.g., euler angles, quaternions, rotation matrices) you probably know that it can be frustrating to know what conventions people are using, especially with euler angles (e.g., intrinsic, extrinsic, passive, active, etc.). So I made a tool where you can explicitly set those conventions with explanations on what they all mean.

I regular refer back to the README myself or test out some conventions with the tool.

[1] https://github.com/kam3k/euler
Bingo. This is about Elon's speech if it's about speech at all. Remember the kid who was posting Elon's public jet movements? You think Elon lets him keep Tweeting? Elon is also known for blocking anyone who disagrees with him. So much for free speech absolutism.

Personally, I think he's just a troll with a ton of money. This is 'fun' for him.
If you look at the env vars in there, you can see things like $PATH and $HOME leaked.
I actually didn't know about that one. Sounds like it's mostly for specialty applications though (e.g. ceramic packages). Looks like it's something like 80% gold, so that would get expensive really fast if you attempted to use it like regular solder :)
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I don't get the environment friendliness argument. It seems to imply that resources consumed by sustaining cryptocurrency transactions are imploding out of control. I am not familiar with coins except for bitcoin, but at least of bitcoin this is not the case. Market mechanisms regulate bitcoin mining.

Energy consumed by mining is limited by income that miners can get, and this income is limited by mining_rate + fee_rate. mining_rate gradually diminishes and therefore in the end it would be just fee_rate. Thus, bitcoin users would be paying for processing their transactions. Why do we have a right to forbid them spending their money on this? Why is it OK to let somebody spend his/hers money on gas for travelling by car instead of bus or train, but in the same time it is not OK for them to spend their money on doing their value transactions the way they like?

If we as a society assume that we cannot afford to spend so much fossil fuel on energy as today this means we have not set proper high enough price on it.

Just rising the energy ( gas / electricity / etc ) price and stopping obsessing about each particular thing if it is environmental friendly or not seems to me a much more cogent, simple and efficient solution.
You have got more of everything when you have more money. Thats not a very insightful observation to make.
> I would argue Starlink occupies that role.

Please do. What is Starlink doing to protect free speech?
that is a totally different product which is only called TPU because the team who makes it wants to sound cool
This is awesome. Way to go Elon!!!
> And very easy ways for people to create their own platforms/blogs with their own rules too, they almost certainly won't have the same reach as the larger platforms

That's the point. FB/Twitter are now public utility size and usefulness. Your blog, not so much.
> Going luddite is never a good solution.

> Personally, I'm hoping all this share-everything is just a trend, that will pass by itself. Future users will look back at it with a sense of wonder: did people really post pictures of their food online?

This seems like a very contradictory post.
I run Gitlab runners for my social group.. It took about 20 minutes to setup and I don't think there has ever been a maintenance period for it other than a nightly upgrade/restart that is automated. I use docker for network isolation.
We had a bumper crop of plums in our garden last year and I was quite able to either eat them all or pick up the ones that had fallen to the ground.

Turns out that having rotting plums lying about attracts huge numbers of butterflies - which was glorious. I'm going to make point of leaving plenty plums out for butterflies in future!
But maybe Euclid could have accomplished more in life with programming?
Everyone should wear masks because science is settled therefore we should go back to 1995 technologies. Something like that. Great argument.
I think the large issue with some of these major platforms is that there's some pretty transparent government "suggestion" into these platforms regulating speech that the government doesn't like. It's along the lines of "take care of this or you'll be getting some "help" with your taxes, stocks, etc."
So in other words, you don't know either. And that is fine.
The irony is that Elon Musk is who calls himself a free speech fundamentalist has been quite happy to silence people's speech if it didn't suit him. Similarly all the people calling out twitter for violating free speech never complained that protesters were thrown out of Trump rallies or that he called for beating them up.

I do believe that there need to be limits on free speech and we also need to have means of equalising speech because otherwise we end up in the situation that the person with the loudest voice (the biggest resources) can say whatever they want and nobody else gets heard.
> he simply needs to be a signal, a beacon or lighthouse to others who know they are capable of innovating

There's nothing wrong with that. It's immensely valuable to society to be able to inspire, attract, and organize talent.
Vinay,

I'm as close to a True Believer for this product as you'll find. I'm typing this from a Blade 15 in Ubuntu I bought 2 weeks ago for deep learning (not knowing about the Lambda collaboration!)

I've been using Razer laptops for years and use Lambda boxes at work. All great computers. As you can imagine, running Linux on these is a chore (my current adventure [1]) so I'm very excited to see some official support.

I have many questions, but the first is something that seems so obvious from the outside: Razer clearly has a battery-failure problem. From my perspective this is because these laptops are plugged in most of the time and have no control to avoid changing to 100% and holding the battery there. Over the lifetime, that's terrible for the battery and most vendors do something about it. Apple will not always charge to 100% via some mysterious schedule, an older Dell Latitude I had used a setting in the BIOS to charge to 90% when plugged in for a long time.

Why doesn't Razer get their BIOS vendor to do this? At this point it feels like a reputational problem, and one that is well deserved. I've bought 4 Razer batteries on eBay for 3 different laptops and expect to buy a fifth for this machine in a few years.

Regardless, thanks for making the first laptop I've ever seen that feels like it was made for me. Can't wait to try one out.

[1] https://abarry.org/ubuntu-on-razer-blade-15-2022-advanced/
My personal favorite : Going Down by Cyriak Harris.
Thank you! I did not make it up but I don't recall where I first heard it, unfortunately. But I am definitely not claiming credit for it! :)
For what it's worth, my day job is running a reasonably large discussion forum (whirlpool.net.au) which is relatively famous for its heavy-handed moderation. We aren't shy on banning people and we stamp down on trolls hard.

But I don't see the parallel between that kind of moderation and a firehose like Twitter. My experience of twitter is almost entirely defined by the people I follow. Yes there's junk and the occasional troll, but I'm an adult capable of making observations about the properties of any "bad" content I might see. Expecting other people to sanitise my experience for me is unhealthy and doomed to failure.
Wishing for a more automated, KEYBOARD driven, and general audience documented install process.

I once tried to setup a Packer template for Plan 9 VM's, but got stuck with all manner of oddities.

For example, there was no option in the install wizard to trigger the restart toward the end of installation, in order to actually boot into the final Plan 9 system.

Would love for the 9front team to publish their own official VM to Vagrant Cloud.
The nazis preferred their country free of jews, and many, if not the absolute majority definitely the majority in power, were fine by that.

This is one case where an equivalence argument is actually valid. To be blunt: your view is dangerous and ought to be regarded as reprehensible by anyone who actually values a free society.
"The billionaire businessman who led the resurrection of the electric vehicle industry and the birth of the private spaceflight industry is an idiot." - internet commenter.

Musk has proven himself to be a very savvy investor. And his operational track record is nearly unmatched. Particularly because it straddles so many different industries: internet 1.0 (Zip2), banking and payments (PayPal), manufacturing and transportation (Tesla), aerospace engineering and spaceflight (SpaceX). If there is anyone in the world who could pull this off, my money would be on him.
What is worse, government censorship or digital censorship through big tech?
Remember when all these corporations banned Trump at the same time?
Imagine not being able to buy from Amazon when there is no retailer left.
Imagine not being able to listen to music or watch movies when all of it is only available through streaming.
What about having all your email deleted because a Google bot flagged your account.
Or being shadow banned in social media, having no impact on any discussion.
Why do people use the word cult when it's someone popular who they dislike? It's inaccurate and a waste of connotation.

He's not a cult leader as he's not doing cult things. Musk isn't making a new religion, he just has fans. No less than Justin Bieber annoyingly had.

He's an activist as he's trying (and succeeding) at affecting change according to his beliefs. He's also certainly an opportunist as he's an entrepreneur. What point are you trying to make with "people's best interests"? He holds his interests to heart and that might happen to align with some people.
Which website contains “you have political opinions we dislike” as a valid reason for terminating service? Unless you are arguing that threats of violence are valid political opinions.
The left has numbers now and many are changing their tune to embrace an authoritarian stance on the "proper" issues.
I don't understand how making twitter private will be beneficial for free speech? Isn't it the point that the company ownership is distributed?
> there is a strong case to be made, but then fail to make a strong case

Especially given:

1) The number of digital outlets. Utilities tend to be regulated when there are no alternatives or merely 1 alternative (especially when monopoly is being intentionally granted for the purposes of not duplicating infrastructure). We're not hurting for options in ways to talk to each other these days.

2) The abundance of very diverse conversations on display on the most popular social media. Political poles are pretty well represented with content in proportion to their influence (and all this even considering that the right of private vehicles for speech to set rules for discussion and even make editorial choices is itself a free speech right).
>subreddits try to get their 'alternatives' banned

Every once in a while I come across a rumor that AHS and affiliated subreddits employ a strategy of posting illegal content (like child pornography) on subreddits/platforms that they want shut down for wrongthink. At some point it doesn't matter that the government allows for free speech if a small minority is able to control the flow of ideas for the rest of society; the effect is the same and technically an authoritarian government could trivially benefit from such censorship while ostensibly remaining neutral.

And, for the record, /b/ was the birthplace of hundreds of internet-wide memes in its heyday, with next to zero moderation. The fact that the average person can't stand an unmoderated forum doesn't mean that such fora have no place - especially considering the likelihood that there are campaigns (by the same type of people who try to get alternatives dehosted) to keep such places unusable by deliberately posting offensive and off topic content.
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