>That's the thing, I don't actually see trans people advocating for things like that.

Have you heard of Jordan Peterson? His popularity is entirely because we now have compelled speech in Canada. This compelled speech has since expanded beyond trans issues and now we have compelled speech on covid as well.

>I've seen some argue against companies making employees put pronouns in their e-mail signatures because, among other reasons, putting pronouns in the signature when it's optional is a useful indicator for if a co-worker is trans-friendly.

Games Done Quick regularly put their pronouns. Let's say I was competing and I put my personal pronoun choices of Beep/Boop. What do you think would happen? Well I'd certainly get publicly banned from GDQ and called hateful and transphobe. This is 100% certain.

Pronouns and compelled speech are not about trans people, it's about political suppression and censorship.

>Generally, they want people who intend to be an ass to them to reveal themselves as quickly as possible, and if they had the power to pass a law of their choosing, they would have much higher priorities than mandating correct pronouns, such as healthcare.

Lets even continue my prediction at GDQ. I pick my pronouns of beep/boop. As you say, I'll be quickly revealed as an ass right? GDQ would publicly ban me and say how I'm hateful. People will say I committed violence. A microaggression.

It might even go further, they might talk to my boss and try to have me fired. Decent chance I would be headed to speak with the hate crime tribunal of ontario.

It would not matter for a second that I am trans and even had SRS.

>If it's clear that someone isn't being genuine and is only asking people to use neopronouns as part of a rhetorical attack against trans people, the general standard is to ignore them. Otherwise, anything goes. You don't even need to be trans, necessarily. The trans people I know would certainly object to the idea that surgery is necessary.

So you accept my pronouns of beep/boop? I more than qualify.

I'm not sure how you will qualify if someone is 'genuine' or not. Sure if they themselves joke or admit they aren't genuine. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymqN9ESj-MM

Is Zuby Genuine or not? I'm not sure.

Perfect, so now lets discuss Gina Carano. Trans people attacked her viciously for Beep/Boop. She got majorly cancelled and replaced on mandalorian.

From your statement you seem to be saying she can legitimately make her pronouns beep/boop. Why then did trans people attack her so aggressively?

>I think there might have been a misunderstanding about the attack helicopter joke. The attack helicopter joke, nicknamed the "One Joke" for how repetitive it can get, is any joke that goes something like "I identify as an [insert noun], so now you have to do everything I say and if you don't then you're a bigot, ha ha ha." At its best, it's ordinary silly nonsense between friends. At its worst, it's a convenient cliché to dismiss any claim of insensitivity toward someone with an identity deemed unusual, by portraying it as an imperious demand.

Should I be cancelled for my pronouns? I have literally used the attack helicopter as my pronouns before. Do I not get to pick my pronouns?

>This is a perspective I haven't seen before. What do you mean by "ought to be a they/them"? Did someone tell you that?

Typically for trans like me they go by they/them.

>Not at all. It's mainly a general suspicion that you're trying to divide transgender people in some way.

What division? I haven't told any trans what to be in any way. Trans people are 100% not united the way the media portrays. If that's not evident by my post here I dont agree with the LGBT political activist group. In fact, I would go so far as to say it's offensive to suggest this political activist group represents all of us without division.

>I'm not familiar with him. My general second-hand impression is that a lot of people just don't like him, even if he's technically on their side of an argument, and would prefer if he just stopped.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/KeDUZdcOGic

I too haven't followed him in years, this is a more recent clip and he's right. Maybe I'm missing context but frankly he's not wrong that trans shouldnt compete in womens physical sports.

There's still a debate on non-physical. Chess for example seemingly unnecessarily discriminates and even creates womens titles. Not because women have any sort of disadvantage but because if women dont then they get no spotlight at all. Should trans people be allowed to compete in the women's field? As a male I am absolutely nobody, but as female I would be top 50 for sure, probably closer to top 20.

How controversial would that be?

>I'm more commenting on how this kind of dispute will be portrayed as a sudden betrayal, or the left not being able to help weakening itself by attacking its allies, even when the two parties never got along in the first place. Mainly it's just an excessively dramatic way to frame an argument.

Fair position to be concerned with. If you haven't seen dave chappelle's latest works, I highly recommend. Especially 'sticks and stones' this was an inflection point on trans issues for the right-wing.

The trans folks can continue their attack on the right wing. As I said in OP, lots of bans recently. Babylon Bee's hilarious satire: https://twitter.com/SethDillon/status/1505674884222967810

They are now martyrs. Every day they remain banned is hurting trans people more and more.

The real response should have been... wait why the hell does an appointed trans person with literally no achievements to their name become women of the year? There's literally lists of lists of more qualified people to be woman of the year.

This ban will remain as a spotlight on this issue.